Christian God, Muslim Allah… same deity?

Bajan Reporter publishes image of Jesus giving the finger.

Will Bajan Reporter now publish images of Muhammed and Buddha doing the same?

Our old friend Ian Bourne at Bajan Reporter is a bit upset with Barbados Free Press. Ian believes we’ve been “hating on all Muslims” – because we occasionally print articles about, for instance, how young Muslim students in Barbados Muslim schools are taught and believe that stoning and amputation of hands are acceptable punishments in a free and democratic society like ours.

At Barbados Free Press we’re concerned that some of the core values taught at Muslim schools in Barbados and other Western countries are incompatible with the values held by the majority of Bajans. We believe that some of the Islamic values and practices are barbaric. We have serious concerns about Islam because it is a political, legal and religious ideology that is intolerant of any other ideologies and values, including democracy, Christianity, freedom of religion and the equality of women.

That’s our opinion. Others may differ, but in a free and democratic society like Barbados we can discuss religion without worrying about a knife in the back. Can’t we?

So Ian fell into his own trap and created the above cartoon of Jesus giving Barbados Free Press the finger. Yup, he published it right on his website in an article titled Barbadian Tabloid Blog under heavy fire by Religious Leader who Objects to Denigration of Beliefs.

That’s Ian’s cartoon above on the left: Jesus giving we folks at BFP the finger.

No problem with those of us at BFP who are Christians (we’re not all Christians by the way). We believe that Jesus is big enough to handle a couple of cartoons. We’re not about to go on a rampage and burn, murder or riot over Ian’s cartoon of Jesus, the Christ. Ian knows that he has nothing to fear from Christians because he made a Jesus cartoon. Likewise we don’t think any Buddhists will be doing any violence because we made a cartoon of Buddha giving BFP the finger.

But now we come to our middle cartoon of Mohammed giving BFP the finger. We know it’s Mohammed because we took the image from an Ogden painting.

We can print the cartoon here at BFP because we are anonymous. Everyone knows that persons who print Mohammed cartoons risk death from Muslims, and that when people are murdered for putting up a cartoon of Mohammed, the majority of the Muslim population remains silent and does not condemn Muslims who murder over cartoons of Mohammed.

So Ian has made our point for us: There is a great difference between the values and actions of those who follow Islam and those of just about every other religion. Islam seems to foment religiously driven violence to a degree that is unparalleled by any other contemporary religious practices.

Of course, Ian can prove us wrong and prove that his original criticism of BFP is correct if he will simply copy our cartoon above and publish it at The Bajan Reporter. Then we’ll know that Ian is truly of the opinion that the actions of Christians and Muslims in response to an equal “insult” to their deity will be peaceful and remain within the laws of Barbados.

Go ahead Ian… you have our permission to copy our cartoon, and by publishing it you will prove your point and show that our fears about Islam are overdone.

Over to you, Ian.

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30 responses to “Christian God, Muslim Allah… same deity?

  1. I am NOT White

    What a dishonour, I am actually first.
    FP “occasionally” prints articles about muslims. Yeah right.

  2. I am NOT White myself

    How “occasionally” does FP print articles about Islam or Muslims? I counted by searching “Islam” and “Muslim” in there search box. For the last year FP printed an avaerage of 2.4 articles a month on Islam usually when something bad happen by the titles of the articles. I will read them and report more:

    April 2010 – 0
    May 2010 – 4
    June 2010 – 0
    July 2010 – 3
    Aug 2010 – 4
    Sept 2010 – 3
    Oct 2010 – 1
    Nov 2010 – 5
    Dec 2010 – 1
    Jan 2011 – 2
    Feb 2011 – 4
    Mar 2011 – 2

    12 months – 29 articles = 2.4 articles a month average for the past year.

  3. Bermuda’s youngest author, Malaika Abdul Jabbar/a, launched her latest book at a book signing on the weekend.

    The 8 year old also presented a copy of “A Different Kind of Bermuda” to Education Minister Dame Jennifer Smith, who praised the Victor Scott student.

    The author of “Stop the Shooting” said she wrote the new book to encourage people to see Bermuda’s hidden beauties.

    “I believe that Bermuda has many hidden beauties that a lot of people don’t see or they don’t have time to see,” she said.

    “Once these beauties are discovered, then only will people appreciate Bermuda for what she really is. There will be less pollution, less crime and more joy throughout Bermuda.”

    Oh my Allah, a POSITIVE Islamic story? Djinni forbid, anyhow, spoke to an Imam who promises to let me know the next time the Muslim community donates to QEH again, have also been invited to do a feature on the Al Falah school on Passage Road, yawn, next?

    BTW – I would not like to be viewed as Barbados answer to Fox News… When BFP admits;- “It is true that we haven’t put up a “positive” story on Islam that I can think of. I have to say “that I can think of” because we’ve published over 4,000 articles since January 2006 and sometimes I forget what we’ve published if I didn’t write it. I usually remember my own articles but if it was written by Robert or Clive or a guest author I don’t remember.

    In case I am seeming to be biased, this is when BFP did a feature on the Catholic faith Haloute dynasty who have Chefette and if they serve Halal food without people knowing, BFP never responded to Roti Hut who is openly Halal and has people flocking there in droves, have pictures and will do review very soon.

    In fact BFP also admits they NEVER feel Islam is any good at all;- “About Islam, the truth is that none of us here see Islam as a positive force for good in the world, quite the opposite.

  4. How about it? Willing to let me respond?

  5. BFP

    Thanks Ian for the spelling alert. Speeling and grammers gets badly me working too lates every night.

    You’re still up too. Thought you’d be getting your beauty sleep by now.

    Clive

  6. Klingon

    Mr. Bourne published an insulting picture of Jesus. No way he’ll publish the muhamed giving the finger picture. You’ve made your point BFP and made it well.

  7. cg

    How does Mr Bourne equate his folly with the serious work of Malaika Abdul Jabbar???

    Mr Bourne seems to be copying BFP by featuring stories from Bermuda.

  8. Winston Churchill

    I wrote this back in 1899 -had them all sussed out
    even back then!

    __________________________________

    How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
    Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog,
    there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.
    The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits,
    slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce,
    and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
    A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement,
    the next(life) of its dignity and sanctity.

    The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine,
    must delay the final extinction of SLAVERY
    until the faith of Islam
    has ceased to be a great power among men.

    Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities,
    but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

    No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.

    Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.
    It has already spread throughout Central Africa,
    raising fearless warriors at everystep,
    and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science,
    the science against which it had vainly struggled,
    the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

    ____________________________________

    I’ve been dead now for many years
    but what I wrote over a hundred years ago
    still holds, doesn’t it?

  9. religulous

    Religion is for our ancestors.

  10. Holmes

    Religion is for the feeble-minded who need a coping mechanism
    to handle the fear of death that no-one is born with
    but which is put into our little heads, before puberty!

    End of problem.
    -get over the fear of death thing, come to grips with your mortality
    be grateful for the 80 years we might expect
    and suddenly religion is a false product!

    I freed myself from the fear-of-death BS about 10 yrs. ago
    and haven’t been happier, all my life long!
    LOL at all the suckerrrrs out there who continue to feed The Power Structure
    and pay for my new pool, up on de ridge!

    Keep coming to church, y’all !!

  11. Winston

    You should also quote Churchill’s words about Kurds and blacks and race . . . .

  12. altman

    Churchiill was a racist fiend and even though he was instrumental in defeating Germany he fought against them not because he was pro-Jewish but because he was defending British interests. He was a rabid anti-Semite. He also didn’t care much for people from the Mid East and found no problem with gassing Kurds decades before his countrymen claimed Saddam’s gassing of the same Kurds as a reason to go to war with him.

    Here is what he had to say about Native Americans:

    “I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.”

    Churchill on Gandhi:

    “It is alarming and nauseating to see Mr Gandhi, a seditious Middle Temple lawyer, now posing as a fakir of a type well known in the east, striding half naked up the steps of the viceregal palace, while he is still organising and conducting a campaign of civil disobedience, to parlay on equal terms with the representative of the Emperor-King.”

    More Churchill:

    “I do not admit… that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia… by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race… has come in and taken its place.”

  13. big1

    Allah is not the same as Jehovah, the Lord, Jesus, Holy Spirit (three in one Trinity). Allah is the results of the fickle imagination of Muhammad back in 610 A. D after wandering off to caves to meditate. The doctrines of Islam is quiet contrary to the orthodox Christian teachings. As far as Deity allah is not God

  14. H Big 1:

    You may be misinformed. Please visit BrothersKeptApart.com for an honest comparison of the Bible and the Qur’an.

    Regards.

  15. 57

    both books are boo

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  17. passin thru

    Ian you haven’t taken up the challenge to publish the picture of Muhammed like you published Jesus giving the finger.

    Why is that Ian?

  18. The spread of Islam in the Caribbean-God forbid! I would say to the Bajan authorities monitor what these so called scholars and Imans are teaching these children in their so called schools. It will be to your detriment if you don’t and it will come back to haunt you-big time! Learn from the UK and other western countries. It’s not racism to be concerned about vulnerable and impressionable children, it’s common sense. We are a Christian population, tolerant of free speech and with a different set of values. If this was a Muslim country we wouldn’t be having this healthy discussion. I’d probably be stoned to death, all in the name of Islam. Is this what we want for the Caribbean region? Look at what happened to that politician in Pakistan a few months ago, killed by his body guard for supporting a woman who had converted to Christianity? Just this morning I was reading an article about a 10 year old child in the Yemen ”married” off to a 30 year old man. The legal age at which a female child in the Yemen can marry is 15 however in reality the average age is 12 and the law does nothing to protect these children whose religious parents condone the practice. They can’t refuse or they risk ”honour killings” for bringing ”shame” on the family. Ask yourself should this be allowed in a civilised society? The Yemen is just one example. There is enough documented evidence of children going through forced ”marriages”, being raped and beaten by their ”husbands” in muslim countries. One case that a friend told me about involved a 14 year old girl who got away.She was tricked by her parents into going to the Yemen. Her new ”husband” was in his sixties. Her family feeling shamed by this girl’s action handed over their 10 year old daughter to him. The woman in the village sang and applauded while they listened to her screams for help while she was being raped.BFP, please continue to have these discussions and raise uncomfortable issues, the populace should know what they are letting themselves in for.

  19. Re – pt’s remark, to the point like an archer eh? Tell you what I’ll do a Mohammed parody when Free Press can run on their own (no piggy-backing off the item I found on “What’s Up Caribbean”) three separate and POSITIVE stories on the Islamic community, what say?

  20. whitey

    bourne, u like u aint get de point man! dese people say that islam has no positives.

    you really think dat they would ever post an entry about for example, the multiple times the bajan islamic community has donated money and items to different causes in barbados and the region?

  21. BFP

    Hi Ian,

    Cliverton talking. How was your Sunday?

    Please let me clarify a few things before, like the old game of “whisper whisper”, our message and intent gets changed so many times as people talk about it that we don’t recognize what we’re supposed to have said ourselves.

    Our original statement to you is “About Islam, the truth is that none of us here see Islam as a positive force for good in the world, quite the opposite.“

    That is true as far as we’re concerned. Can you write a story yourself about the positive merits of Islam in the world? We’ve asked you to before but we haven’t noticed that you’d written it.

    We also made and make it quite clear that our concern and fear is directed towards the political, religious and legal ideology that is Islam. There are good and bad people everywhere, and our concern is with Islam and the results of Islam – and the perpetuation of this ideology that is so much at odds with our national and cultural values such as personal freedom, freedom of religion, equality for women, abhorrence of slavery, freedom of expression, freedom of speech, freedom of the press etc. We may fall short of achieving these values as a society and as individuals, but these values are totally crushed in Islam.

    And as always, we mention that the first victims of Islam are Muslims.

    Positive stories about people in the Muslim community or the good that various Muslims do personally or even as a group from a Mosque are not positive stories about Islam itself. One could do a positive story on a group of Egyptian Muslims, but that is not a story about the positive merits of Islam.

    Now Ian, we challenged you in the past to run a series of stories about the positive aspects of Islam and so far you have not run a single story on this subject. Yes, you have run some stories about the works of good people who happen to be Muslims, but we’re still waiting on the stories about the positive aspects of Islam.

    As to our cartoon, everybody knows that you were able to do a cartoon of Jesus giving the finger because you have nothing to fear from Christians. Everybody knows that you will not, and cannot, publish the same cartoon with Muhammed instead of Jesus. Everybody knows the reason why and you will not do it.

    You know very well that if you publish the Muhammed giving finger cartoon you would put yourself in danger. Not so with the Jesus cartoon.

    Ian, nobody blames you for fearing physical violence from some Muslims, least of all the millions upon millions of nominal Muslims who would love to be free of the crushing tyranny of Islam but dare not leave.

    We understand why you cannot print the same cartoon only with Muhammed instead of Jesus. Once again… Ian, nobody blames you for fearing physical violence from some Muslims.

  22. mpatel

    I find it astounding that people try to “depict” Jesus and Muhammad (peace and blessings upon them both) the current popular depiction of Jesus is an artists impressions there were never first hand impressions made of either Prophet. Stop ridiculing ureselves and wasting your time.

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  24. 52

    you will burn in fire who say buddha and jesus and mohamed all have one message hating all muslim i think you are crazy and jewish but all messegers and heads of them three first moses with religon jewish and its say there is no god but allah moeses allah´s messeger and after me will come issa what christian name him jesus and what all messegers said the last messeger is mohammed and has a lots of names like ahmed and taha and el mostafa so they all say the last one is ahmed seconed issa with religon name by arabic el nasara whay they call it the chritian and say i belive there is no god but allah issa allah messeger and say the last who come after me name ahmed and the chirstian now just screwed that and lie and say issa said who come after me is lie so the third is mohammed with religon muslim and say there is no god but allah and mohammed allah´s messeger and i´m the last so who die in jewish religon before christian all at the last of the world take all who belive in him send them to paradise without who didn´t pray for him and who do the wrong things like steal,fuck without marrige,kill and all the wrongs to the fire it´s mean hell after he forgive them and he sent them to paradise because he is merciful and his all messegers allah ask them do you want to take responsable for all you sent them message and do all wrongs all messegers say no without mohammed he say please allah forgive for muslims so he forgive them all and sent them to paradise and who in religon jewish and die on it they go to paradise but if they in jewish and allah sent religon christ and they didn´t belive they go to hell they must change religon and who die christian and was pray and didn´t do wrong they go to paradise but if they chirstain and allah send religon muslim the must change if they die when allah send islam religon they go to hell

  25. Anonymous

    They all would have loved the depiction, with one correction:
    It should read: “This is what I think of MY followers”
    Grown people should be ashamed of arguing over someone else’s point of view. Get your own already! LOL!

  26. 246

    this is wrong message so removed it you dog

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  28. Anonymous

    shit ur post