Paris Attack: Devout Muslims massacre 11 journalists & police, wound many more at Charlie Hebdo magazine

Muslim shooters “Allahu Akbar”

Charlie Hebdo cartoonists Charb and Cabu

Charlie Hebdo cartoonists Charb and Cabu murdered by devout Muslims

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How much jihad is too much before Western civilization stops all Muslim immigration?

The Quran as hate literature

Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing… but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful.   And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.  But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)”

Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.”

Question: Does the Quran really contain dozens of verses promoting violence?

Courtesy of The Religion Of Peace.com

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule.  Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding.  Muslims who do not join the fight are called ‘hypocrites’ and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text.  They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran. 

The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God, however this can work both ways.  Most of today’s Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book’s call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence.  Apologists cater to their preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny.  Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed.  Muhammad’s own martial legacy – and that of his companions – along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.

Full article at The Religion Of Peace.com

 

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49 responses to “Paris Attack: Devout Muslims massacre 11 journalists & police, wound many more at Charlie Hebdo magazine

  1. Pray for the victims.

    A prayer for the victims and a curse upon the EU politicians who allowed the invasion of a violent and supremacist political / religious ideology.

  2. Anonymous

    Question:If Muslims were asked to kill all the disbelievers do you really think that there would be any today

  3. Anonymous

    No, there would be no Muslims left.

  4. Anonymous

    i meant disbelievers smartie

  5. Pray for the victims.

    Anonymous #1 obviously ignores the Quran and the 20,000+ jihad attacks around the world since 9/11. Just keep repeating “Islam is a religion of peace. Islam is a religion of peace.”

    nothing to see here. move along. move along.

  6. WSD

    Islam is a religion of peace.

    If you ignore the whole suicide bombing, burning people alive, beheading, rape, child marriage and clitorectomy thing.

  7. Party Animal

    I can’t say that I feel sorry for people who suffer at the hands of these freaks, We are no different, we allow our freaks to send us down the drain and tell us every thing is OK, I mean our Government
    What is the difference, The People have to be heard, Politicians we pay your Salary, and we have to live with weaklings that don’t have any Guts.

  8. Anonymous

    some people dont understand that it is a game that the world leaders are playing

  9. Anonymous

    @ pray for the victims -Muslims were living on earth before 9/11

  10. Anonymous

    Muslim population of a country.
    5% or less = religion of peace.
    5% to 15% = we need more mosques/madrasa.
    15% or more = kill the infidels.

  11. Kev Chav

    I bought a property overseas from a man with glossy brochures I met on the internet, and I have very strong views about ragheads.

    Signed, Kev Chav

  12. @ Kev Chav

    Are you related to Sharon Chav from Eastenders? She had Chardonnay and Jason?

  13. The Spook Who sat by the door

    Clearly, these individuals were not bull s*%!!ting when they said what they said when they did. This is a tragedy in its own right, but ask yourself this.

    What reason would a person have for knowingly broadcasting insulting messages globally and for the world to see, knowing full well that it would piss another group off to the extent that this incident evidences? Isn’t that similar to intentionally jumping into the cage of a hungry tiger just so you can throw rocks at them for the world to laugh? What then do you suppose the tiger MIGHT do in attempt to seek their idea of karma?

    This is merely the result of hatred that hate produced. I am absolutely certain that if these two reporters had broadcasted a positive message of peace and understanding instead of the B.S. that they did, this fate would not have befallen upon them.

    Consider that JUSTICE is guaranteeing that no one is mistreated, and that the person(s) who needs help the most, receives the most help. Now has this been happening of late. Nope. So… you reap what you sow. good.

    All ya’ll Humans’ Being really need to grow the hell up and behave. SMH *face palm*

  14. St George's Dragon

    The Muslim world is wide and varied in its beliefs, it is not as portrayed by BFP. For a brief view of a rather more balanced point of view see Reza Aslan’s interview here:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PzusSqcotDw
    For those who really want to understand the nature and history of Islam, read his book “No god but God: The Origins, Evolution, and Future of Islam”.

  15. Poshspice Essex

    @Rooney Chavette

    Sharon Chav is my cousin in Putney!!!! smal world lol

    I dont like ragheads and my hubby Kev just hates them lol!!!!

    Kev put all our savings into a property he saw on the internet lol. Hope no ragheads their lol.

  16. Putney Jason

    Hey Poshy ca n you give us email of Sharon Chav in Putney. I’m in Putn3y and i hate ragheads like Kev. Not that hes araghead!!!!! Lol

  17. Bogbrush

    Not bein funny but is Putny Jason an argonaut? Th3m argonorts hated ragheads i saw it on the telly.

  18. Kevin Chav

    Bogbrush you bellend the Argonauts were greek and wore towels on there hed. Bellend. Its on the telly evey xmas

  19. Chardonnay Rooney Chav

    Not be in funny but is bogbrush a nom de ploom?

    Many ragheads live on my street and they never tried to blow me up.

    What’s striking about about the chavs on BFP and the subliterate gobshites on BU is their mind-numbing mediocrity..

  20. crickets chirping

    Tens of thousands of Muslims marched and rioted over the Mohamed cartoons.

    Will the same peaceful Muslims march and riot over the violence in the name of their so called ‘Religion of Peace’?

    (sound of chirping crickets)

  21. crickets chirping

    to The Spook Who sat by the door

    For sure you would have let the Nazis have your home, freedom and children too.

    Read the Koran, then you’ll understand or not. but you haven’t read it.

    F. You and your dhimmitude.

  22. PT

    Attempting to mediate relations between free people and Islam will not work. Islam either has to get on board with the whole freedom of speech thing or it cannot participate in pluralistic western democracies. It’s as simple as that.

    Mark Steyn today in response to Paris attack.

    Islam not the only villain: http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/01/07/mark-steyn-on-charlie-hebdo-massacre-islam-not-the-only-villain/

  23. Grace Fuller

    Put them in jail and all their family should be deported to the middle east or Muslim Asia.

  24. Anonymous

    @Grace Fuller and tell all white people go back to Europe and black people go back to Africa

  25. Jimmy Hoffa

    @St George’s Dragon
    Reza Aslan is a dishonest hack that appeals only to people of a similar character, or people who are dimwitted dhimmis or self hating politically correct buffoons easily impressed with longwinded nonsense and illogic masquerading as intelligence.

    Name one country where these people exist in sufficient numbers that has not become equal or worse than the shithole these people came from or originate from culturally or religiously.

    If you are interested in reality research what is happening is Sweden – well basically Europe on the whole. Don’t worry we will get ours here soon enough, just wait and see.

  26. Jimmy Hoffa

    @The Spook Who sat by the door

    What you wrote I find disgusting,immoral and positively stupid. The mere act that you are free to write such diatribe is the exact freedom that they exercised. To suggest that you are suggesting is cutting your own self off at the knees.
    Please tell me you were not educated at my expense at the university of the west indies or even one of the public primary schools here on the island.

  27. Barbadians think that nothing like this can happen here, one day they will wake up & find themselves over run. Can any Barbadian go into a bank with their face covered, & drive a car like that, but it happens here. We are a christian society, but these people want to change all of our customs to suite theirs, & our authorities allow them to do as they please

  28. david howell

    Your use of the word “devout” is in grave error. Do you know what devout actually means. Devout muslims do NOT go around killing and massacring people. However, maybe you were trying to make a point…if so. you lack integrity and forthrightness.

  29. BFP

    Hello Mr. Howell,

    Devout Muslims don’t follow the Koran and obey the instructions about killing infidels? You must know something that the jihadists don’t. Please explain it to them, not us. We’re so tired of non-muslim apologists making excuses for murder, slavery and mass mutilations of women’s genitals. Several hundred million muslims support the Paris murders, along with you.

  30. Green Monkey

    Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it.

    Back in the cold war era as bombs were going off in European railway stations, people were being shot up in cafes and supermarkets, and politicians were being kidnapped and assassinated, everyone was absolutely sure (as their media, politicians, police and security services assured them) it was the leftist radicals and commie subversives working for the KGB that were responsible for sowing the mayhem, death and destruction. Only it turned out later most of it was terror originating from right wing subversives armed, trained and funded by NATO, The CIA, MI6 implementing what was referred to as a “Strategy of Tension” who were doing the killing in order to very effectively demonize the godless commies in the minds of the masses. See the book NATO’s Secret Armies: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe by Swiss historian and Daniele Ganser, as well as the multiplicity of blogs and articles now covering this topic on the internet.

    Who profits from killing Charlie?
    By Pepe Escobar

    US Think Tankland, also predictably, is busy spinning the drama of an “intra-Muslim” split which provides jihadis a lot of geopolitical space to exploit – all this sucking the Western world into a Muslim civil war. This is absolutely ridiculous. The Empire of Chaos, already during the 70s, was busy cultivating jihadi/Kalashnikov culture to fight anything from the USSR to nationalist movements all across the Global South.

    Divide and Rule has always been used to fan the flames “intra-Islam”, from the Clinton administration getting cozy with the Taliban to the Cheney regime – helped by Persian Gulf vassals – advancing the sectarian Sunni/Shi’ite schism.

    Cui bono, (who benefits) then, with killing Charlie? Only those whose agenda is to demonize Islam. Not even a bunch of brainwashed fanatics would pull off the Charlie carnage to show people who accuse them of being barbarians that they are, in fact, barbarians. French intel at least has concluded that this is no underwear bomber stunt. This is a pro job. That happens to take place just a few days after France recognizes Palestinian statehood. And just a few days after General Hollande demanded the lifting of sanctions against the Russian “threat”.

    The Masters of the Universe who pull the real levers of the Empire of Chaos are freaking out with the systemic chaos in the racket they so far had the illusion of controlling. Make no mistake – the Empire of Chaos will do what it can to exploit the post-Charlie environment – be it blowback or false flag.

    http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2015/01/08/514054who-profits-from-killing-charlie/

  31. Jimmy Hoffa

    Yes, the attendant conspiracies theories: it’s the Jews, it’s the communists, it’s the witches, it’s the illuminati, it’s the KGB, it’s the CIA. 1+1 is never 2. It never is and it never can be. There is always a sinister puppet master overlord behind the scenes conspiring for the new world order.

    The human mind is obviously infinitely elastic. You can read for yourselves the religious texts of these people, you can listen to the sermons of their imams, you can listen directly to the statements of the foot soldiers who carry out these operations, you can compare the state of the countries where these people come from to “western” countries.

    Despite the above – or should i say in spite of the above there are people on this earth who cannot seem to take these people at their word. It’s always someone else’s fault or a conspiracy of some sort.

    “Islam the religion of peace.”; those arent real muslims; (repeat * 1000 at every new incident )
    is the retort by these mindless sheep… Islam is the religion of peace; Islam is the religion of peace;Islam is the religion of peace;Islam is the religion of peace….

    Back to reality now; this guy puts it best in my opinion:

    You are dealing with demionically influenced savages Warb on the world has been declared and fought by Islam for twelve centuries. The only solution is the same you use on a rabid dog. You shoot the dog to keep it from biting you and infecting you with rabies Same for Islam Kill ten thousand Muslims each time a non Muslim is murdered . Either we remove Islam or Islam shall remove civilization. If a ten thousand to one kill ratio does not stop the attacks increase to 100,000 to one. Then the attacks stop or Islam runs out of Muslims. Either is a good outcome for mankind and civilization. We are at war.

  32. The Moore

    Jimmy Hoffa, Where did the quote beginning with ” You are dealing with demonically influenced savages” come from?

  33. Jimmy Hoffa

    @The Moore

    http://aina.org/news/20150108000006.htm … Its the comment at the end of the article. Read the article written about Ayaan – better yet buy her book infidel and read about her life story and why she lives in hiding and with armed guards.

    @Anonymous. Read about the mob or the “successful” drug dealers like freeway rick ross… While destroying their communities they also spent money sending people to school and buying christmas turkeys. Its called “buying influence.” An effective tactic and self promotion strategy. Employed to great effect by some of the ruling business class in barbados, thats how they make their legend and grow herds of zombies who will jump on anyone that attempts to criticize them. Frees up time for them to further exploit the population while telling the population its for their own good (or that their “religion of peace” demands it)

    The fact that you posted that link illustrates how effective the strategy is and how easily it is to get the low hanging fruit like yourself.

    Jimmy

  34. Anonymous

    @ Jimmy i know about those things.Like what Hitler the Christian terroist did and what your leaders are doing to people in the world

  35. The Moore

    @Jimmy Hoffa
    Thank you for the link which you posted, I found it most informative. I am a little concerned that you would use Ayaan Hirsi Ali as a balance and legitimate source to validate your point and promote your way of thinking.

    Her integrity was first bought into question when she was found to have lied on her asylum application to the Nederland’s stating she was escaping from Somalia rather than informing them that she was residing in Kenya at the time of the application. This resulted in her resigning from her position in the Dutch government which in turn brought the government down.

    She has also been denied an honorary degree due to her hate speech which you seem to view as something to promote.

    Links to the articles can be found below.

    https://www.change.org/p/brandeis-university-administration-speak-out-against-honoring-ayaan-hirsi-ali-at-brandeis-2014-commencement

    http://www.salon.com/2014/04/20/ayaan_hirsi_ali_and_the_dangerous_anti_islamic_logic_of_the_war_on_terror/

  36. Jimmy Hoffa

    @Anonymous… I cant make head or tails what you are saying above… If you are being sarcastic please note that hitler was indeed a christian… read mein kampf, what do the belt buckles of the german soldiers say?… Gott mit mns (god on our side)

    As far as the your leaders comment goes… i am baffled again. If they are my leaders, then aren’t they are yours as well? What makes you so special that you are exempt from all this? Especially since you are free (apparently) to indict me..

    Make complete sentences if you can so we can follow your thoughts.. I am sure there is a gem there just waiting to be fleshed out…

    Jimmy

  37. Anonymous

    @ jimmyThey arent my leaders cause the people who are my leaders have died.Leaders these days only care about $$$ not the people and let me hear what u have to say about this cause i know its going to be bullshit as usual http://www.buzzfeed.com/davidmack/paris-market-hero#.bbvr544eZ

  38. Jimmy Hoffa

    @Anonymous. We seem to have worn out the other commenters, you and I, and it seems that you have already prejudged the merit of my response – no doubt based on my earlier indiscretions on this thread; so I will use this time to excuse myself. I am interested in knowing exactly what of my posts you determine to be bullshit. I am open to be proven wrong if indeed I am; certainly I am open to another opinion.

    Jimmy

  39. The Moore

    @Jimmy. My reply to your article is awaiting moderation. So there is more for you to get your teeth into. I’m still not clear as to just who the guy is you are quoting when you say ” You are dealing with demonically influenced savages” Can you give me a link to the original material.

  40. The Moore

    @Anonymous. I have been reading your post and would like to pass on my best wishes to you.

    You show great humanity understanding and empathy. The traits you show represent the next stage in human evolution. We can all see where humans have come from and the most successful outcomes happen when we cooperation and working together with generosity.

    This means operating on a higher level of consciousness which takes hard work and trust. People such as Tim Berners-Lee who gave away all rights to the internet for the good of all is one example. Another individual is Elon musk who gave free access to all the patents to Tesla cars to further the whole industry.

  41. Jimmy Hoffa

    @The Moore

    This fatuous pretence you have of being “nuanced” and at “the next level of human evolution” is really taking the piss. There is a larger issue besides this back and forth between you and I.. I can recognize that even if you can’t.

    As far as Ayaan Hirsi Ali goes. Have you read the book or are you relying on Wikipedia? Can you give me some examples of her “hate speech” or what you consider to be so? What does her lying to get into Holland have to do with her other work, experiences or opinions?
    What is my “way of thinking”? I have said nothing except that we need to take these people at their word.

    From where I am sitting I am unable to pin down your position except that it is in apparent opposition to mine. I am interested in finding out your definitive position and your reasons for taking that position. So far you have only illustrated your dexterity in posting links and giving meaningless platitudes to @Anonymous for his ability to non explain and mindlessly post links.

    Anyway I am out on this one…

    Jimmy

  42. Anonymous

    @ Jimmy i still waiting for you to say what you think about the Muslim fella who helped those people escape then i would tell you de bs that u wrote

  43. What the word needs is to rid itself of ALL religions and get back to
    the Enlightenment and practice Humanism. All religions are based
    on unprovable belief.

  44. Should have read : “world”

  45. The Moore

    @Jimmy Hoffa I can fully understand you’re asserting that I’m taking the piss when I talk about the next stage in evolution. However if you read On the Origin of Species by Charles Darwin, the possible conclusion is that the next stage of evolution comes from our understanding of psychology. We are moving from physical fitness to psychology fitness and hate speech I would assert is low on the level of psychology fitness. We now have no need for the word evil we can now use sociopath and psychopath.

    We can also understand that in any given population there will be a random distribution of such people. It is our sociopaths and psychopaths in conflict with their sociopath and psychopath which cause the problems. When framed in this way we can begin to overcome the manipulation and conflict.

    We are facing an apocalypse, which the real meaning of the word is, disclosure of knowledge. You can see it happening now, in the very fact that we are engaging in the conversation. If one is inquisitive one now can find out what is happening. One can search out those with differing beliefs and attempt to understand. However it’s not possible to do this with fear racing through the primitive part of ones brain especially when its continually being energized through the manipulation of information by sociopaths and psychopaths for their own entertainment.

    May I suggest that your way of thinking could be defined as xenophobia. It’s one of fear. Fear of the other, fear of the unknown. You appear to search out only that which confirms your limited experiences of the fearful unknown, because it’s easier and safer for you to be given the information second hand rather than go and experience the personal growth which comes from exposing yourself to a perceived danger of living. A flaw I believe in this approach is that you open yourself to the hidden agendas of the unscrupulous and self serving through the manipulation of information as we can see from the BFP on occasion.

    A method which would have had the potential to prevented you from presenting Ayaan Hirsi Ali as a balanced individual is critical thinking. It would have also prevented you from asking me to give you some examples of her hate speech, when if you had looked at the link I had posted contain a whole section illustrating her utterances and proved to be the reason she was refused the honorary degree. If you had taken the time to study the links it would have allowed you to more fully engage in the debate with a level of credibility.

    It is my belief that a good example of hate speech is contained in one of your own articles. It’s the section I keep requesting you supply a link to the original material and which you suggest comes from some random guy but you don’t supply any supporting evidence for your assertion. To date you have not been able to do this and I do question why. Why is it that you are able to insert a large section of text supporting your views but not a simple link? I take it that you have included this text because it is a good representation of your views in reality? So are they your views and if not, why have you included the text? I have googled sections of the text and have returned no hits. This suggest it doesn’t appear anywhere on the net. I understand it could be from a published book but with no link, this leaves me with a distrust concerning you and the provenance of your material.

    Critical thinking would also have prevented you from exposing yourself to possible ridicule through the fact that you don’t appear to be able to see the link between the truth, misleading people and credibility. Ayaan Hirsi Ali knowingly lying for her own ends brings into question all other writings and utterances. Again we can see here the hidden agendas of the unscrupulous and self serving through the manipulation of information resulting in a self serving politician bringing the government down and disrupting Dutch democracy. That is bad enough but take into consideration the negative racial focus which some hateful individuals could bring to bear on all non white people. This just compounds her misdemeanors especially if it feeds into an individuals fear through the lack of contact with “The Other.”

    May I suggest that you think about making yourself extremely uncomfortable and consider searching out a Muslim and treating them like an old friend, ask them about Islam and begin to deactivate your fears. Its called being civilised.

  46. The Moore

    @Jimmy Hoffa. If you know the UK this is so funny. If you don’t and you rely on Fox news you are lost to the truth. There are some swear words so be advised.