“We are urging every investor to register in the HMSSE administration.”
Gareth Fatchett, Regulatory Legal Solicitors (Forms attached at bottom)
With over 10,000 discussion comments on Barbados Free Press, Harlequin “investors” (and we use the word somewhat tongue-in-cheek) have lots to say and discuss.
Here’s the latest we have from Gareth Fatchett of Regulatory Legal Solicitors – a memo sent out on May 17, 2013.
Perhaps our readers can add what’s happened since…
From: Regulatory Legal Solicitors [mailto:mail@harlequininvestorgroup.co.uk]
Sent: 17 May 2013 17:09
To: Gareth Fatchett
Subject: 17th May 2013 – HIG UPDATE
At outset, HIG are more than prepared to continue to engage with Harlequin and will seek to understand and support a rescue plan where this is feasible notwithstanding the protective steps we are suggesting below. ie. our objective is to pursue different strategies which aim to achieve the best outcome for investors regardless of the course adopted. Simply sitting back while matters worsen is not a strategy HIG are prepared to adopt.
HIG members are all investors in Harlequin and would like nothing more than it to work. However, we have to be realistic. It is not going to work in the current format. It needs a major overhaul to give us any chance of surviving. Currently, the whole process is dictated by a handful of people at the Harlequin core. Frankly, that does not work for investors who need to understand the actual position.
The seriousness of the situation has increased with a High Court Judge making an order against Mr & Mrs Ames personally. Of course, Mr & Mrs Ames are able to challenge the order and seek to have it revoked. What is concerning for HIG is that the order was granted in the first place.
We are trying to keep an open mind, but the slippage of timetables, non payment of creditors and the issuing and granting of the injunction does little to reassure us.
Plan A – Rescue Plan
We have not received the Rescue Plan as yet. We were promised some details this week. We are now promised the documents during next week. There is little point in speculating as to the content. We will advise on the detail if and when we receive it. What we can say is that for any plan to work the vast majority of investors will need to be in agreement. The current position suggests that this is far from the case.
Questions posed to David Ames
We expect detailed answers to our questions by the 23rd May 2013. To date we have received nothing.
HIG PLAN OF ACTION
Plan B – Securing of Assets
The Harlequin Investor Group feels it is time to prepare for a worsening of the situation. The advice from HIG is that everyone capable of issuing a Statutory Demand should do so.
It announces the intent of the investors
It allows people to move quickly upon expiration of the demand period (21 days)
There are some defined groups who need to make demands :-
Group 1 – Investors with “Finance Agreements” with Harlequin Property (SVG) Limited where the missed payments exceed £750.00.
Group 2 – Investors who hold contracts (with any Harlequin company) where their Completion Date has expired.
Group 3 – Investors who hold contracts with Buccament Bay Resort Limited (any date).
Group 4 – Investors who hold contracts relating to the investment within Brazil.
Process
Gather together a copy of your contract along with evidence of the date you paid monies to Harlequin Management Services (South East) Limited.
Send the documents to harlequin@regulatorylegal.co.uk
The relevant statutory demand will be issued and served in SVG.
The cost to deal with this process is £360.00. If you have multiple properties please let us know.
Why should you do this ?
If a Rescue Plan proceeds then the only way the threat of a winding up petition being presented (following the expiration of the statutory demands (21 days)) is to come to terms (eg agree to pay off the demands).
If a Rescue Plan is not possible then investors may wish to take matters into their own hands. By being one of many statutory demands we can petition the relevant court together with a consolidated petition.
HIG feel that we have to increase pressure on Harlequin. If not, matters will drift.
Queries – please call Martyn Anderson at Regulatory Legal Solicitors on 01384 426400.
Can we withdraw the Statutory Demands ?
Yes, if a satisfactory proposal is received all court papers can be withdrawn.
Current Litigation
You will have seen in the papers that 13 investors obtained an ex-parte injunction against David & Carol Ames personally on the 14th May 2013. The return date at court in London is on the 28th May 2013.
The RL damages claims against BBR (1) David Ames (2) and HMSSE (3) was issued early April 2013. David Ames has notified RL of his intention to defend the claim.
As at today just under 100 Statutory Demands have been issued. Many of these have gone beyond the 21 day period. Therefore, they are operable. No challenge to the debt has been made by Harlequin’s lawyers in SVG.
In one case positive instructions have been given to issue a Winding Up petition.
The simple conclusion is that investors are becoming impatient. Nervousness will not have been reduced by a High Court Judge issuing the £1.1m freezing order. Far from it. The call/ email level has risen dramatically.
Dealings with Harlequin Assets
HIG have asked for some form of confirmation that there will be no disposals of Harlequin assets (other than in the normal course of dealing).
HIG take the view that any and all steps should be taken to prevent dealing of the land / corporate assets of Harlequin. With this in mind, RL have emailed Harlequin and their advisers to seek a confirmation by close on the 24th May 2013. If no such confirmation is received, then HIG will set out the further steps investors should be taking to protect their positions. Advice has been requested from lawyers in the Caribbean.
Conclusion
This week has seen very little positives to report from Harlequin. We understand that David & Carol Ames are in SVG for the next week. There lack of attending to matters here is very telling.
We will be updating everyone about Proof of Debt forms over the weekend. Please make sure you deal with these forms as soon as possible.
We will be updating everyone on other matters on the 24th May 2013.
Visit Regulatory Legal Solicitors at: http://harlequininvestorgroup.co.uk
We are urging every investor to register in the HMSSE administration.
From: Regulatory Legal Solicitors [mailto:mail@harlequininvestorgroup.co.uk]
Sent: 14 May 2013 06:51
To: Gareth Fatchett
Subject: Register as a Creditor of Harlequin Management Services (South East) Limited – ACTION REQUIREDAll,
Query – Should I register a Proof of Debt form ?
We have received calls asking us whether or not investors should register as a creditor of Harlequin Management Services (South East) Limited “HMSSE”. Our guidance is that all Harlequin Investors should register as proof of debt form with Shipleys.Two insolvency practitioners within Shipleys are acting as joint administrators of HMSSE.
Rationale for entering a Proof of Debt form
Even though investors contracted with one of the Caribbean companies, every penny of investor monies went via HMSSE in Basildon. Every investor expected their money to be applied to their investment in the Caribbean.
Every investor paid the money to HMSSE as agent (of their own specific Caribbean company). As agent HMSSE deducted commission to agent, management expenses etc and then remitted the balance to the Caribbean.
Every investor believes that the payment of the monies to HMSSE was for the sole purpose of transmitting he monies to the Caribbean.
As we all know now, some 33% of monies were paid in commission to agents / IFA’s and approx 14% was retained as management expenses by HMSSE. Our understanding is that the total turnover to December 2012 is some £400m. Of course, the accounts only run to March 2011.
Therefore, with some £200m being charged as expenses by HMSSE it is only right and proper that investors see a proper account.
The first stage in this is for every investor to lodge a Proof of Debt form with Shipleys.
How do I lodge a Proof of Debt Form ?
1. On the enclosed link is the letter sent by Shipleys to known HMSSE creditors. Shipleys Letters – please click link to download . The form is contained therein. Also, you can lodge the form by sending it to Graant Meadows (his email and contact details are on the front page). Please ensure you do this by the weekend.
2. You will need a copy of your contract to send with the Proof of Debt Form. If you have more than one contract you will need to complete one per investment.
3. You will need to insert the date your monies were remitted to HMSSE. If this was done by a third party (eg a SIPP) then you will need to ask them. If they cannot tell you, then put “on or about DATE”.
4. A model Proof of Debt Form is enclosed on this link to help you.
Proof of Debt Form – Example – this assists you to complete the Shipleys Form
Proof of Debt Form – Particulars Example – this document assists you in adding the particulars of the debt
Why should I lodge the Proof of Debt Form ?
1. All investors should be part of the process. If you do not engage, you will not be written to.
2. If the administration process fails then liquidators would need to be appointed. It is important that investors make up the clear majority of creditors by value. There are intercompany positions (eg other Harlequin companies) who will be creditors. If they hold the majority, they will control the future conduct of the insolvency process.
Tell Us
If you have lodged the forms, please tell us you have done this by sending us a quick email at harlequin@regulatorylegal.co.uk . Please give us the amount you have lodged so we can calculate the running total of creditor claims.
Conclusion
Even though a Rescue Plan is being worked on, all investors need to act as if nothing were happening. This is the prudent and cautious path.
FORMS
More on the Proof of Debt Forms!
From: Regulatory Legal Solicitors
Sent: Tuesday, 14 May 2013 22:10 PM
To: Regulatory Legal Solicitors
Reply To: do-not-reply@harlequininvestorgroup.co.uk
Subject: 14th May 2013 – Harlequin Management Services (South East) Limited
(in administration)
All,
Harlequin “Advice” of the 14th May 2013 not to complete Proof of Debt Forms
It is very sad that investors who stand to lose significant parts of their investments are being encouraged not to take part in the insolvency process running with Harlequin Management Services (South East) Limited. Our colleagues at Pannone LLP (solicitors) are advising that all investors lodge Proof of Debt forms. We advise the same. Counsel we have spoken to advice a cautious approach is best adopted by lodging the forms.
If you need any further persuading consider this.
1. HMSSE has received just shy of £400m in deposits until the end of December 2012. That is serious money in anyones books. It is bigger than CF Arch Cru funds, bigger than the SLS or Lifemark individual elements of the Keydata funds. In investment terms this is one of the biggest non-mainstream funds with problems we can remember. It should be scrutinised.
2. The enclosed documents reference some of the representations made on behalf of HMSSE.
Document 1 – 14th December 2006 100% Finance Scheme – 14th December 2006 – click on the link
“In cases where we are unable to obtain finance for you, we will be prepared to refund the £1,000.00 reservation fee.”
This document refers to “guaranteed”. It also refers to “subject to status and conditions apply”.
It is a fact that the vast majority of investors only invested due to the representations from HMSSE that finance would be available. Investors are entitled to have HMSSE’s books and records inspected to see whether the senior management at HMSSE ever arranged such facilities.
Document 2 – October 2008 – 70% Guaranteed Mortgage Letter – click on the link
“However, it is made clear in all the Harlequin literature and advertising that a 70% guaranteed mortgage is available. This is because Harlequin are fully aware that it is not possible for clients to raise mortgages in the Caribbean so the Harlequin business model, and the fact that there is no borrowing on any of the projects will enable funding to be raised and passed on to our investors.”
Our view is that this representation would be a material inducement for people to part with their monies. Surely, people in this situation require an explanation of this statement ?
Document 3 – 20th August 2008 – Ringfenced Monies – Segregation of Monies – click on the link
“We wish to confirm that all monies we receive on each development is used for the development only.
For example, if you were to pay us 30% deposit for a property in Buccament Bay, this would only be used for the Buccament Bay development.
I trust this clarified the situation but should you require any further details please do not hesitate to contact us”
This is simply untrue. The monies were intermingled. Many investors on the Brazil project paid deposits and when the project was no longer proceeding, why did they all not receive their money back ? If the monies had been as described above then people would have been protected. Sadly, many Brazil project holders have not received their monies back.
Is Harlequin seriously asking these people not to register a Proof of Debt form to require an explanation from the administrators ? Can it be the case that every Brazil investor is not interested in an explanation ?
Document 4 – 24th March 2009 – Note to Agents – HMSSE note to agents – 24th March 2009
Prior to 24th March 2009 it is very clear that some agents were suggesting to agents that the payments were ringfenced. Hardly surprising if the Investments Manager – Daniel Dalligan was telling people as much in 2008.
Any agent making these statements is going to face a difficult job explaining themselves. The HMSSE records will show which agents made such statements. They will show how the Senior Management dealt with the concerns.
We would anticipate that all investors would want this investigated and an explanation provided to the administrators. Surely, investors would want to know what happened ?
Document 5 – 12th February 2013 – Letter from Williams & Williams Solicitors Williams & Williams letter
Read this letter carefully. The first piece of land properly registered with a Harlequin company was in January 2009.
Is Harlequin seriously inviting people who invested before January 2009 not to require an explanation of this. Many of the investors we speak to tell us that they were told the land was owned by Harlequin. This is a serious issue and a proper investigation needs to occur.
Why would Harlequin not want investors engaged ?
The usual process is that the adminisator will make proposals to creditors. A vote is taken on these proposals.
We believe (as do our other legal colleagues) that it is important that investors control this process. With all the monies routed via HMSSE, we strongly believe it would take a brave administrator to deny an investor the right to vote as a creditor.
Investors need answers. The selection of the 5 documents above tell us that the directors / officers and senior staff at HMSSE have some searching questions to answer.
This process ensures that the administrators carry out their duties fastidiously.
Conclusion
Whilst at the same time that the Harlequin Investor Group are seeking to assist a rescue, the Harlequin machine continues to dissuade investors from seeking answers to very legitimate questions. This has nothing to do with the Irish Court case or the Wilkins Kennedy matter. It is all to do with the conduct of HMSSE in the making of representations to investors which procured their monies. Nothing more. The past has to be accounted for irrespective of what the future holds.
If you feel satisfied with the Harlequin machine (as Mr Ames claims), then do nothing and sit back. After all, you have already convinced yourself all is well. If not, get your proof of debt in.
If you missed our earlier email explaining how to do this, please email harlequin@regulatorylegal.co.uk
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Why? Is BFP running out of HP banner headlines so lets start another one. Has Fatchett pulled the BFP chain again? Fatchett to BFP “we need to get to the top of the discussion board, start another discussion” BFP “OK Mr Fatchett Sir, will do”
Fatchick36, you yourself requested that a new thread be started because the old one was too long and slow to load. No pleasing you is there?
They should try to get back some of the money from Trisha Devoni Yonge-Hinds and rebuilt the house she is now trying to sell
A clean slate? Let’s start with some incontrovertible facts.
http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/10373004.Harlequin_Property_applies_to_go_into_administration/
http://www.ftadviser.com/2013/06/20/ifa-industry/companies-and-people/advisers-received-up-to-commission-on-harlequin-sales-e2bI8YdLHWUGc5cF8JCBqI/article.html
http://www.ifaonline.co.uk/ifaonline/news/2275313/fca-issues-warning-on-harlequin-investments
http://www.ifaonline.co.uk/ifaonline/news/2274801/harlequin-property-caribbean-arm-fails-to-file-2012-accounts
http://www.ifaonline.co.uk/ifaonline/news/2274443/troubled-harlequin-embroiled-in-15-further-legal-battles
http://www.ifaonline.co.uk/ifaonline/news/2258498/harlequin-propety-auditor-quits
http://www.sfo.gov.uk/our-work/our-cases/case-progress/harlequin-property.aspx
Some of the other links that I posted are waiting moderation – the way that the blog is formatted catches some links.
I thought that as this is a fresh start we could have the background facts – before the usual suspects degenerate this into a slanging match.
WTF
You have not presented one iota of convincing evidence. I think you are only here to disrupt the thread and cause dissent. As I said earlier, just because an affidavit is presented in court that does not make it a reliable document.
‘A final point why do you try and make this a gender argument?’…
Who said it was an argument? Just pulling you up on your uncouth misogynist rants. BTW I’ve never met Erica.
@ BBaywatch. Yes repost an article dated March from the SFO web site. Very original. How about a few you tube clips or a remark about ” award winning journalist Jon Austin” just I case we forget who he is.
At last this stupidity with WTF and Erica has stopped. 😉
Ames would not hire a PI to spy on Erica – that’s just daft. It’s a blog not the FBI
He would offer a special deal to a gullible investor to spy and post and generally disrupt – that’s what WTF has done under his many guises.
He will never actually get his special little deal and he feels a bit angry, that’s all this is about.
WTF.
Drop it now, your looking as mad as Erica. We don’t care if you are Sherlock Holmes
Fatchick36,
Just what is your problem with Jon Austin? You have reposted disparaging references to him it on here so many times I’ve lost count.
For those who don’t know who Jon Austin is. He is indeed an award-winning journalist and works for the Basildon Echo which happens to be Dave and Matt Ames’ local rag. The newsworthy duo appear to have been featured quite a lot in the past year or so what with all their court cases, freezing orders, police investigations, companies in receivership and resigning accountants, not to mention thousands of disgruntled investors and a lot of missing money.
Such a lot of negative press for Harlequin… are you going to try and blame Jon Austin for the Ames family’s demise?
@Erica – for clarity.
Richard Ingham and Sean Ghent ARE NOT PART OF HIG, never have been.
@Anon 10.57, if this is tre then it’s more misinformation coming from the Wigan bunker.
@Waco. “Fatchick36” that really is pathetic. The issue I have with Jon Austin is that he is heavily promoted by BBaywatch, they are obviously mates. If he did some investivagative type journalism then I would give him credit, but he now just cuts and pastes other reports from trade papers. Next you will be saying Laura miller is a journalist!
WTF
We don’t care if you’re a private dick or Sam Spade himself. However, your answer is just not good enough. And there you go again with the nasty misogynist jibes.
@FDNRM I do not want to clog everything up but…I will let you have a few little PMs of Richards here is one for starters Erica,
I understand that Gareth is calling you tonight and you have spoken to Paul.
I realise you have only had a brief chat, so will not know the plan we have come up with in detail.
I will be seeing Dave with the others and telling him we are taking his baby off him.
It will be explained that if he doesn’t we will take him to the cleaners personally, and also give the information we have to the authorities who will take what’s left and jail him.
What I need from you is any information you can add to the file of dynamite you may have, including recordings.
Once he’s frightened half to death then he will be asked to sign the assets to a trust we are setting up. I think I may go and see him Tuesday and tell him the facts of life.
What information do you have that will be of use to us?
The other thing is keep this strictly confidential, if Dave gets a whiff of it he will do a swerve to stop us, so please don’t say anything – it’s only for the next 7 to 10 days!
Richard
I do not have any of the court documents that this idiot says I have as they were not released in court.
Now “Richard” if you want to dance lets do it!
I thought the next thing I would post is were you say the money is….what do you think your little mate would think of that eh!
Now as this is your statement you have it so lets see it freak!
@WACO “misogynist jibes” LOL how about “Fatchick36” ? Get real.
So Fatchick36 is now an authority on journalism and the press.
For those of you who don’t know: Laura Miller is News Editor of ifaonline part of Incisive Financial Publishing Limited and winner of AOA Digital Publisher of the Year 2010 and 2013. That makes Ms Miller a journalist.
I never said I was a nice person, it’s not about gender!
So you tell me, you moron, that if a olive complaint that wasn’t true you wouldn’t care? You are a liar like washer woman!
If you think the document isn’t genuine your a nob as its going to be presented to the police by me to prove my identity!
Your a fool to question an affridavit over a nutters word?
Now nutter Erica is writing emails in my name and claiming I wrote them!
Get to a doctor you clown.
Wtf , FDNRM . and others successfully degenerated the other thread with irrelevant rubbish about Erica, PI, Cozier, Richard Ingham etc etc….it is clear to see that it is all a smokescreen to hide the real issues about Harlequins state of affairs and the plight of the investors who have been conned out of their savings, pension funds, and who have received absolutely nothing in return….except more promises.
They are trying to do the same thing here .
BB is always highlighted as a success by Harlisuccess and FDNRM, even though it is a 25% built project of 6 projects that have been sold, which has provided 0 returns to Investors, and for which no investor has received legal title to “their” unit.
I guess this will continue indefinitely , or at least for several more years as the various legal actions take place in the UK and in the Caribbean.
Dave Ames sold thousands of people property on land he did not own, on which he did not have and still does not have permission to build, then went on to build 2 or 3 per cent of what he sold, and allegedly spent the rest of the money on himself, his family, on paying agents and ifa’s, on planes, on legal fees protecting himself and attacking others, on cash flowing loss making hotels, on buying other random hotels, and has failed to deliver on any promises. People are losing life savings, and he is being investigated by authorities. Purchasers are in serious trouble. This is the crux of the matter, and I am not sure whether one “investor” is indeed just and investor or magnum pi is relevant.
What the fuss, That was brilliant hats of to you as Paul and Gareth and Nikki and the Police have every ip address you have posted from I will now send them the original PM and it will be clear to all you are a liar!
Yantinkiteasy, You are totally right I am stooping to their level and disrupting the thread sorry everyone from now on I will not comment I will just post his emails and PMs :).
I spoke with Jon Austin last week he is doing another article about Harlequin I am sure that he would love to hear your points of veiw why not give him a ring
WTF
‘So you tell me, you moron, that if a olive complaint that wasn’t true you wouldn’t care? You are a liar like washer woman!’
What are you on about? This doesn’t make sense.
Please someone tell the “spelling challenged” moron that
the word is affidavit.
“affridavit” sounds like some sort of schnapps
@waco (Waco seems appropriate) Laura Miller is a mouthpiece for Fatchett. She quotes him every time in her articles.
@Yatinkeasy, you don’t think you tube postings of Genisis and others are irrelevant? You don’t think queening croziers credentials is relevant? Have you only got one eye? If its all too much for you then retire into the ether.
So Erica in these fake PM’s you are now doing are you trying to make it look like I’m pro or anti harlequin now? Or a double agent or what?? Now your lies aren’t even consistent!
Stop lieu g and email me the details of the police you reported me to, you offered to go the police with me now you retract?
Up your medications dear!
You try and drive/ text / spell check all at once and you will work it out brain box!
@Yatinkiteasy, how ironic that immediately following your post about WTF and myself clogging up this site, Erica posts about IP addresses being sent to the police, they are circulated to others etc etc. classic, gave me such a laugh.
Anyone who would drive/text/spell check simultaneously is
a menace on the highway and in my neck of the woods totally
illegal.
ps – have you been driving for three days
@ Dave – just leave- now! Go! Leave!
“Ames would not hire a PI to spy on Erica – that’s just daft. ”
He has previous history of appointing PIs, of course. From the Harlequin update of 1st May 2013:
“I appointed a forensic IT team who, through great commitment leading to a High Court order, managed to eventually identify that the administrator of the Harlecon website was Jeremy Newman………I immediately appointed a surveillance team …. all three gentlemen met in Cork, Ireland. ….The three had further meetings and we continued to gather evidence… including their business trips to Jordan and Dubai amongst others.”
So he has previously conducted IT investigations. Is that hacking? It can’t be because that would be illegal, wouldn’t it?
He has appointed investigators who followed people to Ireland, Jordan and Dubai, amongst other places.
Sounds like he is more than capable of appointing a PI to spy on anyone he wants.
So if that’s the case then there is absolutely no point in Erica constantly quoting the police? They will not be interested.
Just spoke to paul Walton, he recommended i contacted the Wigan police myself to see what the situation is.
Called Wigan police to see if Erica Broughton had made a complaint to the police and guess what – no such complaint has been made.
Secondly they said that how can two people with a disagreement be a crime? They said they would not be remotely interested in such trivia!
Erica your simple, sick, dumb and a combination of all 3!
Erica another point that proves you can’t tell the truth, you have no personal messages from me to post because I cannot send you any as you banned me from the forum on 16 may 2013
Seeing as I can’t send you PM how are you going to publish what doesn’t exist?
Do you have many imaginary friends?
Reading the title of this blog, I really thought I was going to hear something of value about the current state of affairs re Harlequin.
As a retired school teacher, some of the posters (pupils) here would be out of my classroom, possibly never to to return!
FDNRM andWTF clogging up the thread again.
Wow how long did it take for you to think that one up then? So no sensible comment about the irony of Erica’s post after your ” they’re clogging up the thread” comment? Perhaps you need the definition of irony?
Yankinmyselfoff – why font you suggest that Erica lets me on her blog so I can discuss/ PM her on there instead of here.
Been told another blogger got booted this week by Erica because she don’t agree with their views.
Poor Spelling – your spelin is two gud four me two compeet wiv so leaves me ahlone plaese
Erica still waiting for you to forward your imaginary policemans name, you still wondering how to get out of this lie?
@fdnrm. Eric has not posted since she agreed with me..at 11.51. You have posted 4 times and WTF 5 times since then. It’s obvious who is clogging up this thread with nonsense. Btw, are you still happy with Harlequin? Thought not.
I know very well the meaning of irony. I think it ironic that someone most screwed by Harlequin is one of its staunchest defenders! You have no title to your unit at BB yet. How much have you put into their pockets? Why have you not been given title to the unit you paid for?
You are a very strange , and obviously desperate and deluded person.
@yatinkiteasy, funny how you ignored the the first part of her post though. That’s the irony. And you have posted twice. Let me ask you a question, what return, if any, are you getting from any money in a deposit account. How about 10%.? Would you settle for that? I bet you would. Don’t in any way presume that you can “think” about my degree of happiness with HP. Perhaps you should consider as a non investor whether it is you who is clogging up a blog on HP?
I thought it was a blog on BARBADOS and what is pertinent to
BARBADOS. Everyone knows what irony is but it seems like
some on here don’t know what presumptuous means.
UK bitch fights accomplish nothing.
@Anon,4.34 cast your eyes to the top of the page to the headline. Barbados doesn’t even get a mention. The Yatinkiteasy blog police will be after you soon.
So, it settled Richard Ingham is not a PI and there has been no report to the Police? That about the top and bottom of it?
@fdnrm . So you are getting 10% return on your investment with Harlequin.?Wow, no one else is.
You have not answered the question as to WHY you have no title at BB , but really I don’t care . I have tripled my investment in real estate in Barbados in the last 5 years(obviously not with Harlequin) and I actually have legal title to my properties.
As I have pointed out before, this blog is not for the exclusive use of Harlequin Investors. Perhaps you still think it is . Sorry , wrong again.
@Fdnrm 4.41 pm… Cast YOUR eyes above the headline of this thread and you will clearly see this is Barbados (not Basildon) Free Press.You are really not on the ball , which is probably why you invested with a twice bankrupted persson who fancied himself a resort developer in the first place.
Yatink…
Thanks for the validation
Most posters on here have (yes have, coz you aint gonna get your money/unit/title) and all they wanna do is behave like five year olds in a playground. It’s obvious to see how easy it is for DA/HP to con people looking at things on here
DA doing the laughing…he got your money, he still a free man and you all wanna fight with each other
@Yatinkiteasy “what is happening with Harlequin, Dave Ames, class discuss” now I’m obviously not as intelligent as you with your wonderful property investment portfolio, but where in that headline does it mention Barbados? Now could I suggest you stop clogging up this thread. 5 posts in less than 24 hours including asking a question and not caring about the answer. Now that really is intelligent. If you do not think this blog is for HP investors then complain to BFP they put the banner up. Muppet.
@fdnrm 7.17
Yatinkiteasy did not say that this blog was not for HP investors; he said it was not for the exclusive use of Harlequin investors.
@Anon, this blog has other topics which are not commented on by HP investors. This thread relates to HP investors so will be commented on by HP investors, and of course any other smart arse Barbados investor who likes to continually try and tell us who can and who cannot post on here.
@Yatinkiteasy. Looking through BFP threads there seem to be plenty of Barbados issues raised. But for some reason I dont seem to find any postings by you. Perhaps its a good job there are HP threads on here as it gives you something to comment on. No interest in Barbados tax, tourism or that crook Jack Warner? Shame on you for not taking a bigger interest in your islands issues.
What a beautiful day. Nice walk in the forest with the grand kids and dog me thinks.
@fdnrm. Been the usual irritating and obnoxious c*nt as usual. If your aim was to get non investor readers of this blog to despise investors you are doing a good job. I for one am very happy that you have lost all of your money. Keep the stress levels up and pretty soon you will be feeling the tightness across the chest and hey presto, no more worrying about this anymore. Of course with the added bonus that I won’t have to read your mind numbing crap anymore.
Based on what has been posted here I have some questions. Why would an investor be happy with the situation where they haven’t received title but are getting a ten percent return, (well some of the time)? Could it be that the units that they ‘own’ are currently being used as reception, gym, Indian restaurant or staff accommodation etc.? Is this the result of a cosy little sit-down chat with Dave Ames? Will the investors’ loyalty be rewarded with preferential treatment?
Since this new thread has been started I have not been getting notifications, hence my post.
It’s my belief an investor led rescue plan and securing the assets in a trust is the only way forward, but this will not be achieved by infighting or on a blog – that’s why I rarely post on here now – I do however keep myself updated.
@waco
More to the point is where has the 10% been coming from. They have the f–k you Jack I’m alright mentality/attitude that doesn’t care that some sucker has paid a deposit to cover it. They know it is a scam and don’t care how many people lose money as long it’s not them. They will.
@broughton. Was has my comment to do with Erica? I am me and never communicated with her.
It’s all about the money. Remember everyone for themselves. I didn’t wish fdnrm dead I said I would be glad if I didn’t have to read his half intelligible retarded ramblings anymore.
@ last word always FDNRM …Jack Warner is in Trinidad, not Barbados.
Ignorant harlequin!
I totally agree with Casual Observer.It is sometime since there has been any news of any developments and I was hopefull of some constructive comments.I cannot believe that what I have been reading is posted by adults.Whereas discussion is good at least show some respect for each other and for their opinions.I can’t see any thing but confusion in these posts for the genuine worried sick investor.Would be great to set up a meeting with all of you on here and see how you behave face to face.Do you all live in the UK or Barbados.I won’t be following this anymore until BFP publish a new article on the situation with Harlequin.janice chalmers a total Casual Observer in the UK.
Yastinkiteasy
Why are you so rude to Fatchett Does Not Represent Me?
You have a self righteous, pompous arrogant attitude.
Now, you are the one who lives in an infested backwater. It would not surprise me if you thought you could ride your bike on water.
Why all the stupid criticism of beautiful Buccament Bay?Do you think you are above everyone else? Has the gravy train in Barbados hit the buffers? Why don’t you spend your time tackling the high level of reported HIV cases in your own backyard?
Why hayou not done anythingabout the 50+ hotel closures in Barbados?
To quote other threads…” The truth and reality in your own backyard is your not wanting the problems to be heard. Why is it that the Barbados HIV infection rate is 50% higher than elsewhere in the Caribbean? Why is the Bascobel Toll Gang still frightening tourists”
” The pressure cooker otherwise known as Barbados is going to explode unless some serious action is taken fairly soon. A crowde island with limited employment possibilities. A declining tourist trade, a thriving drugs trade, guns floating around and an ineffective Police Force. What do you think is going to happen?”
As for four Seasons… a ruin that must have used more concrete than that used to build the Colosseum.
You have nothing to fall back on. No sugar plantation. No banana plantation.
Get digging and plant those bananas. You are going to need them. TICK TOCK. TICK TOCK.
@yatinkiteasy, you see my friend, that is where you get it so wrong. You obviously have not read the Jack Warner article have you. Let me help you through it. It is on BFP because the report into corruption (something you say is close to your heart) was written by a. BAJAN. And I’m ignorant?
@WACO try and stick to facts, not what you assume to be correct. I have been to BB and seen my unit.
@iticbaftt how stupid are you. Wishing someone dead and then denying you implied it? If you don’t want to read postings DON’T COME ON HERE. Idiot.
The’ Wigan Bunker’ and its dimwit followers have actually got it so wrong (again) Sean Ghent and Whatsthefuss members of the HIG – the are not!
Furthermore, the ‘evidence’ against poor old Richard Ingham is lacking ……. it’s just that obsessed nicker sniffer…..at it again!! ….if he is Private Investigator can you prove it?
Harlequin is a scam. All investors are crime victims and all your money is gone. Most of what you read on here is lies. SFO can we have justice for the victims.
Correct, painful realities. Money has gone, 2 per cent built, operational resorts losing money hard, purchasers are victims, need to try to liquidate, maybe get 10 cents in the dollar and move on. The likes of fdnrm are sideshows who for whatever reason (that does not matter) do not like to accept or admit the reality of harlequin situation.
@ Harlisuccess…slagging off Barbados(again and again) will not help Harlequin. They are a huge failure..I suggest you change your name. Hardlysuccess is more like it.
@FDNRM..You said this … “No interest in Barbados tax, tourism or that crook Jack Warner? Shame on you for not taking a bigger interest in your islands issues.”
Jack Warner is not a Barbados issue.
Now you are saying that I should be interested because the article was written by a Bajan. No wonder you got conned by a double bankrupt person.
You saw “your” unit at BB? Lovely, but where is your title to said unit? You have been conned .
@yatinkiteasy, it’s a Barbados issue. The report was written by a Bajan.. You want this to be about Bajans. Here’s your chance. Any thoughts about tax avoidance or tourism issues? Or do you just want tp poke your nose into HP issues? Wonder why. Does the Wigan bunker have a subsidiary in Barbados. You could of course continue to clog this thread with silly questions about title. I know exactly my position regarding title. You do not. Now go and comment on a relevant thread and stop clogging this one up.
So you are not a PI?
FDRM …you consider questions about title to your Harlequin unit at BB “silly” ? With all the negative news about the company of late and the fact that they have in effect ceased operations in Barbados and St Lucia,and are in Administration in the UK, it is an interesting view that you take.
I dont know what a Wigan Bunker is, but Ill let you know if one shows up at the derelict Merricks or H Hotel site.
@Yatinkiteasy 6 posts since you complained about the forum being clogged up by posters. You do make me laugh you muppet. You must be fishing watching the fish bite, because you do every time. LOL
Who actually owns H-Hotel? Has it been paid for in full? Are any
taxes owed and if so by whom? Did any “investors” buy into H-Hotel?
Were monies from the other scams used?
18 posts already from FDNRM clogging up this thread!
22% of the post saying absolutely nothing!
(Thank God the other one is on his way to Dubai)
Statler and Waldorf……I have stayed at both but am having trouble
putting two and two together.
@S&W only 16. Have a recount and see if you can spot your mistake. That’s an extra post from you clogging up the thread with a meaningless inaccurate post. Idiot.
@Anon 7.47 does that 22% include yours? You are saying what exactly?
Oh! What dreadful things to say to Fatchett does not represent me.Haw can anyone say these unkind things to him? I hope he is alright.can anyone help me please?does anyone know the dates of the next investor meetings in Basildon and Warrington ?
Thank you.
As the Eastern Caribbean resort industry heads into the low season, resort operators need to closely manage cashflow to see them through. Resorts that did not have strong winters can fall further behind by not having very carefully managed summer and fall/autumn periods. Some more hotels have had to close/enter receivership in the last few months. Reports from some islands are that it will be a tough one – high airport departure taxes from UK dont help for example. Operating costs are notoriously high in the region, utilities hugely inflated and insurance the two big costs resorts must deal with. Established, profitable resorts go through this every year pretty much, but they do get through and make their money in the winter. The worry for Harlequin investors should turn to Buccament Bay and how it will make it through this off season without the revenues coming in from deposits. I am aware of many managers applying for jobs at hotels in the region, some saying they have not been paid for two months. When you cannot pay your staff, it is a very worrying sign. When there are no accounts filed and purchasers/investors don’t have regular resort reports to show them how their investments/holiday units are doing in whatever rental scheme is being used, then it is impossible to know the position of the resort. Investors/purchasers need to get to the bottom of this asap, as this is one of the only assets within the group that could be worth anything – the land they own is not worth much, nor is Blu in St Lucia. This gathering of information should be a big focus of those who have not already got out of their investment via the FOS/suing IFAs/SIPP providers. A closed and run down Buccament Bay will make 10 cents in the dollar that has been mentioned seem a good deal.
S&W – the reason FDNRM is so assiduous in his knowledge of the number of posts he has made is entirely understandable: rather like the “fifty cent party” in China, who are paid by the Communist Party to post comments favorable towards party policies in an attempt to manipulate public opinion on Internet sites and message boards, FDNRM is paid per post by Harlequin to obfuscate, smear and generally disrupt all those seeking to hold their corrupt and crumbling regime to account.
Well done FDNRM: you made £9 yesterday!
ll,
Buccament Bay – Property Survey – PLEASE TAKE 5 MINUTES OF YOUR TIME TO HELP YOUR FELLOW INVESTORS
Thank you very much for dealing with the survey we sent relating to the “Guaranteed Finance”. We have just under 300 responded. Our next important focus is the land at Buccament Bay.
(a) we act for clients who have bought in all stages of the Buccament Bay sales process
(b) we have clients who resold their property
(c) we have clients who cancelled their contracts
Land Survey
You will all recall the document issued by Harlequin which from May 2012 which is the plan upon which future sub sales of land would be based. The survey numbers the properties.
Sub Divided Plan – May 2012
Cross Reference Exercise
We are cross referencing the sales to the various brochures and the various architect drawings / land surveys etc. This will give us an accurate idea as to the extent of the early Buccament Bay sales. This is very important as all the contracts on the earlier phases are beyond completion. Therefore, they are contractually entitled to their monies back.
Survey Link
https://app.icontact.com/icp/sub/survey/start?token=e9144ddbef4e31141af243c7dfad89b4&sid=303324&cid=152652
or click on Survey Link
Regulatory Legal Solicitors
To sumerize the last couple of days,
Yatinkiteasy posts about the thread clogging up and then posts 6 times and says nothing new.
I THOUGHT I WOULD FEED THE TROLLS; hopes I would have a heart attack, nice.
STATLER AND WALDORF, is not clever enough to work out which of my postings are from me and which are postings for people imitating me. Definately has the mentality of the 2 old codgers.
Anon 7.45, writes a meaningless post about % of postings.
KROLL: writes a meaningless post about China and £9.
You lot really have sad lives. And I’m accused of clogging up this thread. Get a life you muppets.
FDNRM …yawn….go back to sleep!
@Yatinikiteasy, you’re still ranting and raving about Harlequin indiscretions. Man it’s time to start searching for a new hobby. Because it seems quite clear that conversing with the rest of the victims of Harlequin, have had little or not impact in the way of therapy for you.
@ Yatinkiteasy@ In clear English… You need to get a life friend. Have you searched EBay yet? I’ve heard through the grapevine that there’re now selling them by the bundles.
@Mr.Page.
I will buy one for Ames, he needs one at the moment 🙂
Kroll,
Can you substantiate the claim that Harlequin actually pay FDNRM to troll on here to deliberately “obfuscate, smear and generally disrupt all those seeking to hold their corrupt and crumbling regime to account.”?
@Statler and Waldorf
Of course they can’t. But still they had £400mil and lined thier own pockets, people will be paying that off for years.
Karma, I asked Kroll not you.
Does anyone know if PM Gonsalves touched on anything
reference BB at his news conference this a.m.?
@Yatinkiteasy. Ha ha trying to get the last word again. Another pointless, clogging up this forum post.
@@ Kroll, yes go on, this should be interesting. Lets see the proof. Ill bet we never hear from you again now you have been challenged.
We can all breathe a sigh of relief, our presumptive webmaster
is firmly back in control.
A lot of people on here are still waiting for FDNRM to prove he has title to his unit at BB and that he is not a mouthpiece for Harlequin. Showing up at Gareth Fatchett’s office with a bit of paper signed by Dave Ames is worth about as much as WTF’s High Court ‘affridavit’.
You mean that cheap bottle of schnapps.
@Statler and Waldorf
Is it important? Its not. We all know nobody has title, the WTF thing has been talked to death – it’s irrelevant.
What’s up nothing happening on the boring blog so you come here?
Glad you cleared that up ARI. Thanks
@Statler & Waldorf, if you keep asking the same stupid question the Yatinkineasy police will be after you for blocking up the thread. Now I will write this slowly so it will make it easier for you to read. I did not turn up at GF office with proof of title, it was proof of rental return. Now read that back again S. L. O. W. L. Y Got it? Good.
What disgusting language EBPC you should be ashamed. I suppose you are the sort of person who laughs at people with learning difficulties.
All the Harlequin trolls out tonight then!
We will resist attacks from the Wigan bunker,
@Yatinkiteasy have a word with these thread blockers!
We will resist attacks from the Wigan bunker,
you are effng mad.
Wigan bunker, harlequin trolls, fire with fire Anun. Why is anyone who is not anti HP a Harlequin Troll?
S&W – Must be something to do with the super full moon last night.
ALL the loonies are back , braying and accounted for.
As was said all the asses are braying
@Anonymous
Not all the loonies are out ……. I have just nipped on here to ask if anyone can suggest how I stop my camel toe from showing?
I can’t stay on too long cos its itching.
Well, clearly the latest cunning plan from Harlequin is to get this thread removed and possibly stop BFP posting any more Harlequin stuff (could you blame them if they did make that decision?).
This revolting smear campaign won’t make any difference to Harlequin’s demise, nor will it affect court proceedings to Harlequin’s benefit, but it may cause the loss of a very valuable place for genuinely distressed Harlequin investors to share information and contact each other.
I hope you’ll all find other places to communicate should BFP finally decide they’ve had enough.
@ Dave Ames
How are all your court cases progressing? It must be a repugnant feeling to have all your assets taken off you and to be so publicly humiliated.
What does Mrs Ames and your family really think of you? Not sure if being bankrupt 3 times is something to be proud off? Maybe you scum think it is?
@ Daniel Ames…. coming after your assets pretty boy….. just like Daddies 😉
@ Matt, well your just going to jail, not long now 😉
What a family………………..
@A&FJH blah blah blah. You see totally inaccurate post. His assets have not been taken off him, He is not bankrupt 3 times, Try and deal in facts not rhetoric. Just clogging up this thread with rubbish. Where’s Yatinkiteasy when you need him?
This is astonishing, another GM has left Buccament Bay and he did not get paid
I thought Matt Ames was the GM at BB. Did he get caught in flagrante again with a member of staff and Daddy Ames sacked him [again]?
What’s the “nearly accurate part”?
I should think between them Matt and Dave have ‘screwed’ so many people they have lost count.
OMG !!! The future queen’s brother !!
The Middleton Boy had a lucky escape then!
On a more serious note, can Erica confirm if she has withdrawn her complaint to the police regarding harassment? If this is true could she be given a caution for wasting police time?
We didn’t claim he was but like i said James had a lucky escape. It was such a lot of hot air wasn’t it? Where did all the money go? Now let me see Forestry for Life owes £672,676, including £443,327 to investors and £39,622 tax. Matt’s other scam The Investor Club owes £951,237, with £846,494 to investors, and £20,000 tax.
Anyone know what date the trial is set for?
Thxs
Old Bailey?
@sanjat.8.36 pm Is that a fact? Trip advisor shows recent replies to reviews from the GM but no name. How personal is that? A no name GM. True 5 star quality.
Guest relations manager has gone (had not been paid), exec chef has gone (had not been paid), other managers on the way out. Resort cannot remain open much longer.
Ames’ Thai adventures continue to have repercussions – not least the continuation of the freezing order on their assets.
http://www.andrew-drummond.com/2013/06/flying-sporran-treasure-hunt-helps.html
Why don’t you Harlequin Trolls just f**k off and get a life!
Most of us on here are decent people who have been conned out of their life savings or pension funds by a little, unscrupulous wanker who deserves to rot in prison for the rest of his life!
You twats have no morals, how can you support such an evil family that has caused so much pain to so many?
Aimless and his cronies… you all deserve each other… and you all deserve what’s coming to you!!!
They are morally bankrupt people, Ames, the ifa’s, fdnrm et al. Well said conned.
@Conned. That’s why it’s called BARBADOS FREE PRESS. Free does not mean you don’t pay for it, it means FREE SPEECH. Understand.
@yatinkiteasy, so we had numerous comments on here, no doubt clogging things up, about Erica going to the police. Now it seems she has withdrawn her statement, I’m sure you will have something to say about her discredited comments? Yes?
@Conned, will you now put Erica into the troll category?
Statement from the representatives of the Harlequin Investor Group (HIG)
The Harlequin Investor Group is comprised of every person that has signed up to the website (http://harlequininvestorgroup.co.uk). The site currently has over 1100 members and is expanding daily. HIG is distinct from Regulatory Legal Solicitors (RL), although HIG does engage with RL Solicitors for advice and for practical matters.
In March 2013, RL organized a series of investor meetings. During these investor meetings RL agreed with attendees that due to the size of the HIG, there was a need to appoint a smaller representative group of investors in order to enter into face-to-face dealings with Harlequin Property/David Ames. During the investor meetings, all present were given the opportunity to submit their names to RL if they were interested in joining the HIG representative group.
RL then selected individuals that represent the types of investors across the various Harlequin developments (i.e. those whose completion dates have passed, those who invested via SIPP, those who invested directly and those who invested via mortgage etc.). Each person on the HIG representative group is in at least one of these positions and possibly multiple (e.g. invested directly and completion dates have passed)
The HIG Representative group is comprised of 6 investors, none of which are/have ever been employed by RL Solicitors, Harlequin or any of its associated companies. The investors are not related to/ friends of the Ames family or any of the employees of RL solicitors – they are simply concerned investors (just like yourselves) who are trying to salvage the best they can from what is an increasingly complex situation.
The HIG Representative Group is working hard to find a solution to the current situation and maximize any potential returns to investors. The Representative Group does not believe that an Ames-led restructure will fully take investor interests into account and is therefore both challenging Harlequin to be more open and transparent in their communications with investors and is also considering developing an alternative bid to present to Mr Ames.
We hope that the above can put an end to the concerns on this site regarding the membership and interests of the smaller team that represent the wider HIG. It is only by presenting a united front that we can possibly hope to bring any positive outcome to the situation that we find ourselves in. It will not help the efforts of the team if we allow them to be undermined by rumour and speculation.
Regards,
Representatives of the HIG
I post when there is something relevant to say.
There have been some rather strange statements of late, on other blogs regarding members of the HIG group etc.
For the record I am not a member of the HIG,
I explained my reasons at the Warrington meeting, why I did not or was asked to join.
People will believe whatever they want to, but all this idle gossip is not helpful and potentially damaging.
@fdnrm: Confirming you are a twat I see… Best thing you’ve posted so far… Well done!
Erica is no troll, she is trying to help, and we are thankful to her.
Unlike you, one of Ames’s cronies, spineless moronic idiots.
You lot had enough to say when you sold us this shite, and now you don’t deserve free speech.
But you do deserve what you will get! The net is closing… 🙂
@Conned.
Could you actually explain how Erica has helped in ANY WAY – she set up a blog where loads of weido’s like me, who pass many a happy hour talking to faceless people with no idea what’s going on!
But achieving absolutely nothing 😉
So im trying to get this straight.
A number of victims have a different opinion from other victims. This seems to be because they have paid the full amount up front. The cash victims need to keep this sinking ship afloat to have any chance of gaining title. To achieve this they need a lot of people to complete, this in the hope that the larger number of completions will facilitate the handing over of titles.
This obviously would mean 100s of non cash buyers stumping up more cash.
Is this what is happening now.
Thinking of all the people blamed for this mess over the last year on this blog.
Accountant
Builder
Newspapers
Panorama
RL
Erica
Crozier
I don’t know everything that is going on with Erica. What I do know is that she stuck her head above the parapet and boy is she getting it, including some pretty low disgusting comments.
I’ve also noticed that the people with a different opinion spend a lot of time mentioning people on the above list but not talking about David or Carol Ames.
It does seem that the Ames gang are getting very desperate now! Ingham aka Whatsthefuss etc etc etc etc etc has changed his username ”again” to (Ericas Blue Peters Bird Cake). its obviously him because he’s as thick as shit and his insults remain the same.
Then you have the low lives trying to smear the HIG by saying that its not run by genuine investors.
You few will all come a cropper in the end and I hope you all get whats coming to you.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/25/essex-police-pensioner-grooming-inquiry
I know I am stirring it up a little, but I wonder if the Essex police are making any connections!?
Erica has officially lost the plot, go and have a look.
The woman needs medical help.
Another General Manager has not been paid
Nor has the chef, porter or chamber maid
Oh what a mess I declare
In despondent despair
Buccament Bay just does’nt hack it, I’m afraid
Erica is mad as hell at Paul
Sending her email to Richard took a lot of gall
Richard then shared it with Dave
“Please delete on receipt, do not save”
So what was once private is known by all
Today has been very interesting Erica, Richard, Paul and Dave
and throw in Buccament Bay for a little spice……but seriously
does this solve any problems?
No but it brightens up the day.
Only FNDNE and his potty-mouthed friends can find it funny that people in St Vincent have not been paid. You really are an embarrassment.
This is becoming surreal. Erica’s site is now a bizarre cesspool of accusation, counter accusation and paranoid ramblings.
Good old FDNRM is also now a main contributor under the guise of “Sporting Man” (you have to admire his work ethic). He claims it’s not him but the deluded one doesn’t appear to realise that his somewhat curious prose style not to mention predictable content is completely unmistakeable!
I think the most interesting thing is that Erica has been proved wrong about Richard Ingham is a PI from Warrington and he follows her – stating its not his real name, is just….. deluded
What exactly has she reported him to the police for? If she has anything to back up her crazy statements PROVE IT!
All the PRIVATE MESSAGES she published from Richard Ingham actually shows him in a good light pro-investors!
Paul Walton’s statement seemed balanced and I think he acted the way any intelligent person would act. Listen, take action, form a conclusion based on the evidence.
It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.”
Sherlock……
‘How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?’
I posted this on the blog Erica & Co runs. If what I have seen is a cover for being a PI I must take my hat off to the level of detail.
In particular forging passports,bank accounts, VAT registrations etc. I feel sure the police will be interested in that should it be true.
Erica.
We’ve had many discussions and disagreements about Richard Ingram, aka Whatthefuss. I believed he was a useful conduit between investors and Ames, in my opinion this was a good thing, even if this runs the risk of information getting back to Dave Ames.
Then you both had many unpleasant fallouts – especially last Friday publicly on Barbados Free Press.
We have your obsession that Richard is a Private Detective working out of Warrington, who is following and spying on you. As an investor I took note of your concerns and done some research myself. Firstly into the Richard, then his company.
I did not want to make a fool of myself, being ‘spied on’ by someone I speak to on a regular basis. I shared this information with you and Nikki Crozier. You have now, kindly shared all the emails with several people including Richard.
So, what exactly have I done wrong? Checked into someone who you said was a PI spying on you and getting close to me and Gareth Fatchett, in order to gain information to pass back to Dave Ames. I find the whole thing bordering on paranoia.
I have used several people and contacts to establish the following.
1 He has his own professional company, this is not a Private Investigators business.
2 A valid VAT certificate and number
3 I have seen six years of accounts, cheque book, bankcard, in the company name
4 PI insurance but not for being a ‘PI’ and its current and for £500k
5 A degree qualification in line with his profession
6 It is a LLP hence no company house records exist
7 The court affidavit was in his home address, in his name
8 It was verified as correct by a local solicitor, proving Richard Ingham is, well Richard Ingham, living where he said.
Now I am getting accused of playing both sides.
I am told there is ‘evidence’ to prove all sorts of things about Richard Ingram ( The PI ) so I do my own double bluff and find out the facts.
Please decide for yourselves. All this is not productive.
Erica its time to stop all this, if you have proof back up your statements.
I don’t believe Richard Ingham is a PI or has been following you. If he is and I have been duped – so be it – who would not be given the evidence I have seen.
Meanwhile I have had some very uncomfortable discussions with Richard, as a result of the emails ‘we’ all exchanged when I was convinced you actually had something to support your rather odd allegations.
Its time to stop.
If its true I would sue Erica for damages
Depends if it needs the skiddies removing
‘I confess that I have been blind as a mole, but it is better to learn wisdom late than never to learn it at all.’
Some people never do….. 😉
It’s all Erica’s fault, everything would be fine if it wasn’t for her stirring up trouble. And that Nikki women: she’s a con artist. Also that Jon Austin guy; award winning journalist? Don’t make me laugh. And the BBC with their Panorama debacle. And that ambulance chaser Fatchett: he’s running a smear campaign against Harlequin and people need to realise he is the one damaging the interests of investors. And the FSA …and the SFO…and those Auditors…both of them etc, etc, etc
Good to see the Harlequin bully boys in full flow tonight. Classy lads!
Anonymous, what is it they call it, a perfect storm??
@getting desperate now. The joke is on you. The name is far too subtle for you. If only you knew. Lol
Why do people listen to Erica ?
Being fat shows no discipline. That should be enough.
Richard – you did grass and you have reported to David Ames. Your no better.
Mud wrestling anyone ?
Can Eric’s help me ? I am loose.
Emwt: (Harlicon Trolls): What an absolutely illiterate twat (and I do expect an appropriate response)!! Crawl back to your slime ridden habitat, The response from you and your co-habitats is predictable. but then again I get the satisfaction of annoying you by getting a response.,XXX
@Paul Walton.
Sound like anyone?
Symptoms of Paranoid Personality Disorder
People with paranoid personality disorder are generally characterized by having a long-standing pattern of pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others. A person with paranoid personality disorder will nearly always believe that other people’s motives are suspect or even malevolent. Individuals with this disorder assume that other people will exploit, harm, or deceive them, even if no evidence exists to support this expectation. While it is fairly normal for everyone to have some degree of paranoia about certain situations in their lives (such as worry about an impending set of layoffs at work), people with paranoid personality disorder take this to an extreme — it pervades virtually every professional and personal relationship they have.
Individuals with Paranoid Personality Disorder are generally difficult to get along with and often have problems with close relationships. Their excessive suspiciousness and hostility may be expressed in overt argumentativeness, in recurrent complaining, or by quiet, apparently hostile aloofness. Because they are hypervigilant for potential threats, they may act in a guarded, secretive, or devious manner and appear to be “cold” and lacking in tender feelings. Although they may appear to be objective, rational, and unemotional, they more often display a labile range of affect, with hostile, stubborn, and sarcastic expressions predominating. Their combative and suspicious nature may elicit a hostile response in others, which then serves to confirm their original expectations.
Because individuals with Paranoid Personality Disorder lack trust in others, they have an excessive need to be self-sufficient and a strong sense of autonomy. They also need to have a high degree of control over those around them. They are often rigid, critical of others, and unable to collaborate, and they have great difficulty accepting criticism.
Once again the Harlequin rabble forget to mind their manners and remember that they are guests on this forum; they have managed to demonstrate to the world the extent of their depravity and vulgarity. One can only imagine the example these adult men set their children. Deplorable.
Needs help……….I don’t know about Erica but it describes
FDNRM to a tee
and a few others…………… 😉
EL2: Completely concur with your views. To get back to the real world, I confirm (with every expectation of success) that I will recover from IFA’s (via the ombudsman ) an equitable solution to my stupidity. If I don’t, then as far as I am concerned: that’s life (which unfortunately is too short). and I will have to reduce my annual holidays accordingly. (Skegness here I come)!!
I do not mean to be disrespect in anyway shape or form, but have ya’ll British folk given any thought to the fact that the people of Barbados have had enough of your conversation? A conservation I may add, that involves not the people of by any means. please give these few words some consideration, because ya’ll conversation is beginning to affect the collective conscience of those who frequently users of this blog.
ECT – probably one of the most vile posts we have seen yet. Truly disgusting comments. Get a grip of yourself, maybe think about what your family or someone you care about would think if they were aware of the type of stuff you were posting.
@Hatun this is one of the few forums on the web that permits discussion of anything relating to Harlequin Property, a combination of bullying, threat of legal action and manipulation of the lax UK law relating to libel has silenced critics. The foul language and disrespect present in so many of the posts from supporters of Harlequin Property, or those in their employ, reveals exactly what this company is all about.
BFP should be proud of their stance in allowing free speech and drawing attention to just how cowardly and revolting those promoting Harlequin Property really are.
@Hatun – this is why BFP needs to keep the spotlight on Harlequin and those associated with it –
https://barbadosfreepress.wordpress.com/2013/06/22/questions-about-former-harlequin-associate/#comments
these people who are only interested in exploitation of the islands will do nothing but harm to Barbados.
@icu4whtatur.
Good pionts well made.
@Erica, any news on the proof of the PI and your convenient hacking of the blog.
Do you understand its just not the done thing to make unfounded allegations without proof – it just makes you look very silly indeed, even unstable.
If Campion is in Barbados on a work permit because of H Studio and Harlequin , and that is now over, it would be illegal for him to set up his own business and continue to live and work on the Island without a new work permit.
Well if any investor had any doubts about what they have got themselves into. The last days or so of vile and disgusting posts from Harlequin supporters/trolls dispel any doubts. A bunch of low life criminals surrounded by slimy creatures.
Please don’t tar all of us in the UK with the same brush as this scum.
Steamy Windows – I hope your not peeping through Ericas steamy windows are you?
Yankyourselfoff – didn’t Dave Campion marry a local lady, giving him the right to work?
@enlb Contrary to popular belief, marrying a Barbadian lady does not bestow immediate or automatic residency or permission to work in Barbados(same as in the UK)
@42/BBaywatch I have been called a F*****g twat, a c**t and harlequin scum. Do you have any comment to make regarding these comments? I await your reply in anticipation.
The above comments apply to Anon also. Are the above lowlife comments?
Hi FDNRM, I agree that comments like that are very unnecessary and uncalled for. Equally so are the comments that are being directed at Erica.
Well FDNRM you can dish out the insults but you can’t take it when it’s directed at you. A tad two-faced may be?
@Sid, I agree in principle its nasty.
But she is looking more and like she has lost the plot. O’Hallaran link, Hacking, wild accusations, to name a few.
What does she achieve?
Its very clear to see that the messages sent to Erica by Richard the thick were a poor attempt to sabotage the HIG and get his boyfriend Ames of the hook.
When Erica discovered Richard the thicks devious little plan he just goes back to his insulting ways and slags her off using Multiple user names.
This guy is one sick man! almost as sick as his fat little toad like boyfriend.
@oh dearie me. I defy to to find ANY bad language I have used on this site. Trawl throughbthevthreads and post one if you can find it. If not than be man enough to appologise!
hahahahahah
@Richard The Thick Ingham
I must interject there old chap.
It’s Erica that is putting the HIG group at risk spouting off unfounded drivel. Sean Ghent and Richard Ingram are part of it!!
And what about the PROOF Richard Ingham is a Private Investigator?.
Psychotic delusional narcissistic personality disorder.
Well Short Legs I suppose PDNPD is a lot better than dyslexia.
I think not.
Erica should go to the doctor, tell them what’s going on and then take much needed medical intervention.
Narcissistic personality disorder is a personality disorder in which the individual is described as being excessively preoccupied with issues of personal adequacy, power, prestige and vanity. This condition affects one percent of the population.
“loss of contact with reality”. People suffering from psychosis are described as psychotic. Psychosis is the term given to the more severe forms of psychiatric disorder, during which hallucinations and/or delusions, violence and impaired insight may occur.
Translation = fruit cake
@ERPF
Not if you are unwell.
Psychosis is the term given to the more severe forms of psychiatric disorder, during which hallucinations and/or delusions, violence and impaired insight may occur.
excessively preoccupied with issues of personal adequacy, power, prestige and vanity.
Then its all normal.
@oh dearie me. Do I take it that “hahaha” is an appology for an inaccurate moronic post with no substance and basis of trust. Oh dearie you.
I am laughing at you you fool not apologising.
Oh dearie me at
@Needs Help…….11:26pm final sentence of PPD was…” they are often rigid, critical of others, and unable to collaborate, and they have a
great difficulty accepting criticism…” I think both you and I would agree
on who fits that description (and it ain’t Erica)
@Anonymous – it fits Ames and Erica
Regarding the post about Mr Ingram ‘the’ PI in Warrington, has anyone actually called them to check if they have an office in Slutchers lane? I have…………….
@oh dearie me. So you think it’s funny someone swearing at you? What a strange set of values you have. You do have values don’t you?
hahahahahahh
@oh dearie me, no values, just sick.
Sorry, the PI offices in Warrington, don’t exits. Its all ran from London, they simply do not have an office in Warrington….. call them.
La La land 🙂
There was a post in the name of Blue Peters Bird Cake.
Erica then starts a thread on her own ‘blog soapbox’ referencing it back to the post on here, somewhat strange. This is followed by references to ‘someone’ looking over her fence at her bird table. No doubt a reference to the imaginary PI.
That is not so, please find below the slang version of what was meant by it, crude yep. But it does make a point.
Blue Peter bird cake:
1. N. Half a coconut shell filled with a solid paste of lard and old seeds. 2. Sim. Descriptive of a right full old growler. ‘Up betimes and feeling heavy of nodgers I made my way to Mrs Fitzgibbon’s bordello on Threadneedle Street to see darling Bess. However, to my dismay I found she had done good business this day, and indeed, when I remov’d her scads did find that her cunny resembled naught but a Blue Peter bird cake. I was forced to demand back my shilling.’ (from The Diary of Samuel Pepys).
Synchronicity is the experience of two or more events that are apparently causally unrelated or unlikely to occur together by chance, yet are experienced as occurring together in a meaningful manner.
Maybe it is time to get back to what is important. How and when will the many creditors in the Caribbean, including staff, contractors, suppliers, consultants, government departments and service providers be paid the millions of dollars still owed to them and how and when will Harlequin be able to source the US$1 billion funding required to start and complete Merricks Barbados, Marquis St Lucia, Las Canas, Two Rivers and Hideaway in the Dominican Republic bearing in mind that all the deposits taken for those resorts have allegedly been spent elsewhere?
@Just asking.
Dave Ames would not be capable to raise anything with all the stat demands.
Some people will lose big time.
It’s work with investors or go bust, the only choices.
But has it hit home yet Dave?.
@ Erica.
What you going to do when this is all over?
Maybe Dave can give you a job looking after the washing contract at Buccement Bay?
You could use your pantaloons as a parachute 😉
JAG – a very good question. Can anyone come up with considered opinions as to how this might best be achieved either by Ames or another party? Or is this simply a forum for abuse? I’d really be interested to hear from those positive towards Harlequin exactly how they feel the situation may be improved. Is it just a case of getting more funds in from completions?
The Reg Legal route is the only option that looks viable, but its the old HP secrecy bit that is a problem.
Investors running it for investors must be better than Ames? That is of course if its not terminally damaged???
If that’s case it call in the Insolvency practitioners,no other choice.
@Jag We will just have to see what happens..its a slow motion disaster movie….. except that it is real for a lot of people,
http://www.iexpats.com/property-investors-warned-harlequin/
nothing new….
@The Broughton Chipoapotamus.
You will have the anti humor police on you for that
The best yet 😉
Please when you say my name do so with a french accent.
And now for something completely different 😉
It’s all over very soon! lets all face the real facts thats Ames has done us! we have all Been had!
@Been had… I think you are right.
That little fat runt Ames, his family and all his cronies have stitched us up good and proper!
All monies gone, idiot if he thinks he can get finance, too much money still owed, BB and Blu both shite and not worth a bean.
Plenty of beachside hotels for sale in Dom Rep, he should have started there, bought one, refurbished it, with established airports and market and being the most popular Caribbean island it should have been an easy choice and success.
However… the inept little Tosser would have probably screwed it up one way or another… probably bought a submarine as an underwater restaurant, instead of getting the basics right… Dumb twat!!!
I’m a purchaser and stand to lose over £150k…but its about time we got this over with and accept that… Harlequin is dead!
Someone should call it… put us all out of our misery so we can concentrate on getting payback and inflicting as much pain as possible on the little fat controller, his family and his cronies (most of whom are on here… Wankers!)
I have just looked on Ericas blog last night and been forwarded some of her emails – it’s the rambling of a nutter who needs some help!
I think there will be some clarity today, which will prove she’s suffering psychosis!
The ramblings appear to get worse at night, does she get on the white lightening and start typing?
Reading them she is either mad peas pissed as me nan’s mattress!
* or as
Interesting, and also blindingly transparent, that anyone who raises an objection to Harlequin is subject to a rigorous onslaught of allegations intended to discredit them, Fatchett, Newman, Erica, Crozier — and on and on. FDNRM you may be a lone voice (usually) on here, and cop some abuse for it — but you do so with a large, litigious company at your back. Erica does so with nothing of the sort, and so I’m fairly clear who has my respect.
@UP, then why am I working for £7 an hour? You really do not have a clue do yo? Ask Erica if she makes more than £7an hour ironing?
@fdnr & @etopp and the rest of you Harlequin trolls.
You spineless little twats! Funny how you keep picking on the one person that is giving some sort of hope, refuge and understanding to us suckers who had the misfortune to ever get involved with you bunch of thieving bastards calling yourselves Harlequin.
Harlequin will very soon be confirmed dead and the fat little runt, his family and all you trolls & cronies will all get what you deserve!
Have the balls to come clean, tell us who you are and if you are brave enough (….very doubtful), stand before us purchasers and then start spouting your crap!
You’d be enjoying Prison Hospital food by the time I’ve finished with you!
Keep up the good work Erica, don’t let these moronic little boys stop you!!!
@conned.
Explain how she is helping please?
Conned AKA Anthony;
Your still an angry little shit aren’t you??
If you want to know people’s identities ask the washer dobber she’s free and easy with private information and conspiracy theories!
Why not go around see her? Have a look at her bird table, get your shreddies scraped out and maybe stick your face in those big saggy crèche feeders? May be a bit of therapy for you??
@ both moronic twats…
first answer… you know full well… enough said!
second answer… No, not Anthony, I’m not so little, your comments show how small and pathetic you are though… Gobshite!
Conned – you have more in common with David Ames than you think – small mans syndrome!
Another mouthy keyboard warrior, all mouth no trousers!
@FDNRM I can’t see what bearing one thing has on the other — and am genuinely confused by the £7 an hour thing; I thought that you were getting your investment return — why is the work necessary?
@Erica.
Have you got the proof yet for the PI accusation? still waitin…..
Thanks BFP. The plan worked. I remember a nearly a year ago starting to post to make people aware of the Harlequin scam. The whole game plan was to stop new “investors” (victims) losing their pensions or life savings. The Ames train was still going strong then, although quite a number of us had already figured out it was a huge fraud and that sadly most people had already lost their money.
Trolls you are too late. With no new income it’s already over.
Now the next game is justice. Not just for Ames but all his cronies.
The Proof about Mr Ingham.
——-Original Message——-
From: Neil Taylor
Date: 27/06/2013 09:00:39
To: p_walton@btconnect.com
Subject: RE: Form Submission
You appear to have the wrong company.
We neither have an office at that location nor an employee by that name.
Kind Regards,
Neil Taylor – Chief Investigator, PD Consultants UK.
Direct Line: 07817 554510
From: Form Submission [mailto:Form Submission]
Sent: 26 June 2013 20:44
To: contact@theprivatedetective.com
Subject: Form Submission
Form Submission
Name: Paul Walton
Email: p_walton@btconnect.com
Phone: 07974736957
Time: Anytime
Preferred_Contact: Email
Message: A complaint has apparently has been made to Wigan Police about a Mr R Ingham who works out of your Warrington office. I have been named as someone who can ID Richard, I have since been made aware he is NOT a PI, and we all may have been led a merry dance. So, I have a log number of 76826June2013 with the GT Manchester Police. Can you confirm if you have an office in Slutchers lane Warrington? I have also called today, but want something in email. Thanks Paul
selectedpage: privateinvestigators-warrington.co.uk/contact-us.php
Hail! to the almighty Wigan bunker, for doing errrm? what?
To work out what ETOPP? That the whole thing was a scam from the start? Very noble of you to admit it. We’re finally getting somewhere!
Etopp, aka RIchard Ingham aka the woman abuser, aka Wtf, aka , I’ve lost count!
First of all I haven’t commented on here for a while because tossers like you ain’t worth my time, but seeing as you bought my name up I thought I’d defend myself. You are a low life scumbag and I feel sorry for any woman in your life ( which I doubt you have) you are the typical abuser who gets kicks out of slagging off women. You have been outed and your details have been splashed across the Webb.
By the way I’m 5’11 14 stone ex boxer,, so less of the ‘little shit’.
You complete and utter loser!
@Been flab
What are you defending yourself about? Some looked at your bird table 😉
@Conned, “tell us who you are” and you identify yourself as? Conned. Very open. Now as far as your heroine Erica, the innocent face of the righteousness, is concerned, ask her how she got the picture of the white Audi? Now that will take some explaining.
@UP, simple answer, I cannot live on that money alone. When I invested in HP I was in a well paid career position. That has gone along with the very adequate salary.
@ been had, 5′ 11 ex boxer, believe me mate you would look like a midget. I wouldn’t throw any challenges out. It would not be good.
Hahaha! Ingham, you are one angry little pervert, has Dave got you and fdnrm working overtime? is that part of your special deal you have? you seem like you need a brake, its that personallity disorder again.
I told you before and I’ll tell you again…! You are not worth the shit on my shoe!
Now now Been Had. What have I told you about playing with the trolls. You know what will happen next. They will all start braying like donkeys and spewing some filth about some woman that apparently upset somebody.
That’s it’s little boys bring on the voice of reason. Haha
Dickie the Dick head Ingham listen here, I am not on the payroll like you so I’m not on here 24 hours a day using multiple usernames. we know who you are, you are fooling no one. There are only 2 nob ends that defend Ames and its you and the other waste of space Fdnrm.
@conned, any answer regarding the white Audi?
@etopp… Erection Trying On P#nis Pump…??????
I have nothing in common with Ames, the little w@nker.
And no, I’m not Steph. I am a thoroughly pi$$ed off purchaser who realises that the scam that was Harlequin is DEAD. I have lost a lot of money due to that little c^nt Ames, his family and his cronies, most of whom are on here being big and brave behind false ID’s… Just like you!
@fdnrm… Not that it’s important, but my name is Joe Cerroni.
5’11” ex boxer eh… Chicken sh#t!
Now lets see if you and how many other of Dave’s bum chums and trolls man up and name themselves. (Think we are going to be waiting a long time)
Trust me… you don’t want to take me on… but you are most welcome to give it a go… I could do with some exercise. 🙂
Now go crawl back under your rock with the rest of your invertebrate trolls… and leave the woman alone… @sswipes all of you!
@Erection Trying On P#nis Pump…
Typical response from a moronic, low life, coward!
Man up… Or haven’t you got the balls…? Didn’t think so.
You are not worth my time!
@ Anonymous… Glad to have you aboard! 🙂
@Erection Trying On P#nis Pump…
Oh you big brave boy… There is nothing phoney about me… pot and kettle methinks..
Tell you what I’m going to do… Something you can’t… I’m going to take my woman out for a bite to eat, treat her right and have a great night. 🙂
You cant do that because you have to troll on here as a coward… throw insults and stupid comments about… pick on a woman who is doing the right thing… and, oh I almost forgot… give Ames a good bumming in the meantime!
Sad twat!!
Dickhead Ingham, I don’t challenge Low lives like you for a fight its no contest!.. i wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire…..as i said earlier !!…shit on shoe.
@been had/joe cerroni, well if that’s not using dual ids I don’t know what is. Nob end and waste of space, quite restrained really.
WTF —–Please Promise !!!
One thing I will say is that online harassment is a big deal these days and not treated lightly by the police. If they are looking at this blog it could definitely keep them busy.
@Sid I am anon7:52 I hope they are looking. The vile, filth that
has been posted here in the past several days (by both sides) is
pathetic and discusting. Why do people think they are clever when
they have reached the absolute zero of cleverness is beyond me.
should be disgusting
I imagine not only the police but also the SFO will be actively monitoring this blog. The extreme manner in which opponents of the company (Erica, Crozier et al) are attacked, bullied and humiliated is certainly something which can be clearly observed and no doubt attempts will be made to scrutinise any links between those actively engaged in this behaviour and the company itself. This is after all, not the way that normal company’s respond to reasonable criticism and is suggestive of something altogether more sinister.
The disappointing thing is that most people seem to be pretty smart and articulate. It’s a shame there’s such a lack of class on here.
Good point Kroll. What I don’t understand is why so called HP supporters are as cutting and crude as they are. Is this really under the guidance of Ames? If it is he’s not doing himself any favours as it is just adding more fuel to his already raging fire and reinforces the opinion many people already have of HP. If I was Ames I would be much more amenable just to improve PR. Doing the extreme opposite really isn’t going to do anything for him. If he isn’t connected he should come out and public distance himself from the whole thing.
No one cares apart from the few people named in this. Everyone else is more bothered about what is happening with Harlequin.
Have a look on Erica’s forum. Hardly any posters at all who are outside 6 usernames.
Same on here.
@Kroll/Sid, I think you will find it is ANTI HP posters who used the expressions, F*****g twat, C**t, Harlequin scum. Care to comment on those expressions? Or are you just one eyed?
Quite right FDNRM, in the midst of this entire debacle and the unbelievably high stakes, that is the salient issue — lucky you’ve repeated it ad nauseam or it could easily have been sidelined as massively irrelevant against the far larger backdrop.
@WTF said ” the blog is being recorded by the police and investigated”
Is this the same police that have been investigating HP for several years now? The police from the same country that seems hamstrung by it’s own legal system and is powerless to act at thousands of people are scammed out of their life savings?
Your statment may be true, but is as scary as a 15 year old toothless chiwawa with a gammy leg.
Ah…….Ren, it’s spelt Chihuahua
Stimpy! You Eeeeeeeeediot! Don’t correct me in public!
Sorry Ren. It’ll never happen again.
Ren and UP, fair comments. The issue is that thousands of Brits have obviously been scammed. They paid money for properties that have not been started even, and don’t have planning permission. In the meantime, harlequin boss Dave Ames has enriched himself and his family, as have ifa’s who misrepresented the products. Brits are left homeless and broke, and uk authorities are not acting. Given that this fraud was highlighted several years ago, one would hope for action by now, as harlequin is just the walking dead, scrapping around to se what more it can take before finally collapsing.
@UP you may think offensive language is ok, but I find it unnecessary. I suggest you read you post in the context of the posts I was replying to.
Has no one anything constructive to say on this matter ?
Aaawww fdnrm. Staying consistent I see. Quack quack
@SID
Yes, it is strange that any company could have such shocking PR, especially given the huge sums spent on professional expertise in other areas, not least legal representation.
I suppose we must place it in the overall context of the complete and abject mismanagement that has plagued the company from the outset.
Ironically the company’s one area of unquestionable success: sales and marketing, has been the primary reason for the extent of debacle we are now faced with. Once the sales juggernaut had left the station there was neither the skill, the experience nor the general wherewithal for any of the other essential areas of the business to catch up.
@FDNRM, I agree with you that you didn’t deserve the abuse you have received in the past and I have said so previously. However, I’m surprised that given your disdain for abusive language on the forum, why you have never commented on the abuse Erica has suffered. Or are you just one-eyed?
@Conned
‘Take my woman out’ what by clubbing her on the head and dragging your woman as you put it by the hair!
Oooh so masculine 😉 got me all moist
What will the SFO and Police gain from this blog other than people insulting each other online? You don’t like it don’t log on.
They have far more serious matters to attend to, someone has reported having there bird table looked at.
Also, FDNRM it wasn’t directed at you, so much as an identity you’ve constructed (an identity, incidentally based on taking a negative position against another individual). The abuse aimed at Erica is much more personal — and maliciously so.
@ETOPP
Surly you mean Porridge Pistol 😉
THIS IS PROOF?
Preferred_Contact: Email
Message: A complaint has apparently has been made to Wigan Police about a Mr R Ingham who works out of your Warrington office. I have been named as someone who can ID Richard, I have since been made aware he is NOT a PI, and we all may have been led a merry dance. So, I have a log number of 76826June2013 with the GT Manchester Police. Can you confirm if you have an office in Slutchers lane Warrington? I have also called today, but want something in email.
selectedpage: privateinvestigators-warrington.co.uk/contact-us.php
You appear to have the wrong company.
We neither have an office at that location nor an employee by that name.
Kind Regards,
Neil Taylor – Chief Investigator, PD Consultants UK.
Direct Line: 07817 554510
From: Form Submission [mailto:Form Submission]
Sent: 26 June 2013 20:44
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Subject: Form Submission
Hi Guys ‘n’ Gals, Frank Cannon here 😉 been away eatin’ doughnuts
Let’s just sum this up, cos I gotten fed up with it….. really fed up.
That nasty WTF guy and Erica ‘the blog’ Broughton had a public tiff for all to see – fact……
Lot’s of posts being very nasty from many many people, too many to comprehend – fact
WTK aka Richard Ingham was the ‘outed’ as you Brits say, as a ‘PI’ a gum shoe working under cover for dastardly Dave.
Seemingly working from a PI office in Warrington, he had a made up name, made up ID, made up cover job, and so it goes on and on and on and on……and on….. and on…..
He was accused of following Erica, spying on her, looking over her fence at some bird table…….. all this was reported apparently to the police and SFO, and rightly so.
A crime reference has been posted on the ‘Erica Blog’ all very exiting stuff. Not sure what the ‘crime’ has been reported…all in good time…….
The PROOF was going to be posted to back up these most horrible and most serious allegations……
But, Guys ‘n’ Girls, its not based on fact, its just,……. well wrong!
Time to move on to the real problem – Harlequin.and your investment??
Yes??
Kiss and make up but no tongues 😉 or this will keen going on and on trying to prove something that is not real!!!!
Bye Guy ‘n’ Girls,
Frank
To lighten the mood
Looks like they need to stop all this crap say they both got it wrong and move on.
A silly side show,
Erica needs say she was wrong about the PI rubbish
WTF to say sorry for the nasty ( but amusing at time posts) 😉
@sid, I only comment on the abuse I have suffered/endured. I referr back to this when posters talk about Erica’s abuse. I have never abused Erica, questioned her motives, yes. Now the question for Erica is ” who does the white Audi belong to” she will know the relevance to that question.
Seems everyone has drifted (perhaps purposely) from the subject of this thread….” What is happening with Harlequin and David Ames?”
Very clever on the part of Harlequin supporters , weather paid or unpaid .
It will not stop the outcome of this fiasco, but the sideshow and insults, threats and counter threats displayed here is all irrelevant and meaningless to the subject.
I have been banned from the Harlequin investor blog, how strange.
@whatsthefuss.
I did post the details on Erica’s blog, prior to being banned from it today, that covered your situation, with the facts as I know them.
I have been in contact with the police yes, twice, it may not be prudent to discuss this on a blog.
Too much time has been spent chasing ghosts, I have no more to say on the matter – leave it to the police – that’s what they do best.
Lets now drop this. Point made.
When will the Shipley’s report be due out? its today / tomorrow? That will give a pretty good picture of what we are into.
No one knows if an investor led take over will work or HP will be forced into liquidation- until we have facts.
The recent course of events show what can happen when people go off half cocked, does it not?
WhatsTheFuss – karmic consequences? You’d need a heart of stone not to laugh!
@BBaywatch
Yes they both looked silly
Does this sound like anyone?
A paranoid delusion is the fixed, false belief that one is being harmed or persecuted by a particular person or group of people. Paranoid delusions are known technically as a “persecutory delusion.”
It involves the person’s belief that he or she is being conspired against, cheated, spied on, followed, poisoned or drugged, maliciously maligned, harassed, or obstructed in the pursuit of long-term goals.
Small slights may be exaggerated and become the focus of a delusional system with a person suffers from a paranoid delusion.
The focus of the delusion is often on some injustice that must be remedied by legal action. The affected person may engage in repeated attempts to obtain satisfaction by appeal to the courts and other government agencies.
Individuals with paranoid delusions are often resentful and angry,
I’m not bothered about it to be honest I think Erica looks stupid and I think all you supporters who have believed her over me look moronic!
She fooled you all!
Ah! WTF the bully bullied…
Maybe you now have an inkling of what the employees, contractors and others on the islands have gone through at the hands of Harlequin. While you’ve been indulging yourself using obscene language and perverted imagery on here, poor people on some of the most impoverished islands in the Caribbean are suffering because of the greed and stupidity of people like you.
For some reason I have been banned from Ericas forum, no reason, not even the courticy of an e-mail. with an explanation or prior warning.
Thank you Erica for your paranoia and surrounding yourself with your friends.
WTF That does NOT excuse your filthy mouth.
And if Dave Ames had given Erica and her husband their money back (as he was contractually obliged to do) and had not tried to shut them up with a gagging order via Carter Ruck then this story would have had a very different outcome. Just look at the mess it’s made.
I wouldn’t say that “most people were gushing at what a good job Erica was doing”. However I think that most right minded people would have been uncomfortable with the extremely disgusting personal abuse she has been receiving on this blog. Most normal people would not condone that level of vulgarity, particularly when directed towards a woman and her daughter however much one might disagree with their position.
Good God he’s a father? What a role model [not].
I have a problem with Erica Broughton; she is a spiteful control freak, lies, then try’s to cover up her mistakes.
When she gets it woefully wrong, won’t have the balls to admit it.
For example:
1. Contact with Newman and O’ Hallaran to dig the dirt on Ames, now, did they not apparently steal from investors?
2 Trying blame a hacker on her site, when Crozier cocked up.
3. Blames WTF, in private messages to the court, to drop him in it with Ames.
4. Deleted all Croziers posts, or was it the hacker 😉
5. Banned WTF ( he was a trifle rude admittedly) 🙂
6. Banned Paul Walton? because he said she was wrong about the PI and proved it?
7.Banned FDNRM – why he behaved?
8. Selectively posts PRIVATE messages on her blog from WTH after she banned him – to make him look bad to Ames, who she says is his Chum.
9. Phones the police and almost incites a lynch mob on WTF, all based on some paranoid delusion ( thanks for that excellent post ‘Needs Help’)
10. Now she won’t admit she totally got it wrong and have removed the silly statement from the blog!!
Maybe that’s why you were banned!!
So, its all OK WTF, you have been dragged into a court case vilified, reported to god knows who? Police and the SFO, ripped to bits on here and Erica’s blog, your name sullied all because of some crazy woman who thinks you have a bird table fetish.
And this woman is doing to help investors with their emotional support and fix this Harlequin mess?
She would stuff the investors if it got what she wanted, revenge on Ames that’s all this is about.
She is a sick demented dangerous woman, its sad its made her this way.
@WTF.
It pains me to say it, sorry.
That’s just wrong and so was I
@ The Wigan bunker, how will you find your leak? And why have your members dropped by around 70 over the last day or two?
All,
We are in receipt of a copy of the Administrators Report for Harlequin Management Services (South East) Limited. We will be sending a copy to investors on this site on Monday morning.
We are going to undertake a more detailed analysis early next week. For now, we will give you the broad brush headlines.
•Creditors Meeting – 12th July 2013 @ 11am – Earls Court
•Total amount of monies held at bank on the day of administration – £1,195.04.
•Biggest trade creditor – Tailormade Alternative Investments – £484,543.52.
•Total monies owed to HMSSE from related parties £86,341,302.41
The monies owed column is where investors need to focus. All the Resort Development Companies and Trading Companies owe money to HMSSE.
This means that HMSSE is entitled to ask for the £86,341,302.41 to be repaid. This sum is huge and if the joint administrators seek repayment then it is our view that it could not be repaid. This action would surely lead to the liquidation of the overseas companies.
The solution to this problem is twofold.
1. There needs to be an agreement between (1) investors (2) the administrators of Shipleys and (3) the overseas companies for repayment of the intercompany positions.
2. The investors who hold statutory demands, expired contracts or basic misrepresentation claims against the Caribbean companies are the ones which need to be settled with.
The Joint Administrators are unlikely to permit an agreement with the Caribbean companies in relation to the £86,341,302.41, if a short period after, one or all of the companies become insolvent due to investor claims.
Timescale
The joint administrators cannot be in limbo forever. They will either need to approve a Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA) or place HMSSE into liquidation. Everything therefore depends on the ability of the directors of HMSSE and the Caribbean companies (the Ames’s) to persuade the joint administrators that there is any prospect of repayment. This has to encompass the investors as they represent the “clear and present” danger to any CVA.
Therefore, if a deal is to be done it will need to be done before we all turn up at Earls Court on the 12th July 2013.
It goes without saying that the Administrators Report will be unpleasant reading for investors. However, the practicality is that to save collapse, the parties will need to work together.
It goes without saying that no 3rd party financier will lend to the overseas companies if they own £86m cumulatively. Therefore, the “only show in town” is the investors.
We can assure you negotiations continue behind the scenes and further updates will come from both us and HIG.
Regulatory Legal Solicitors
Very good of Tailormade to volunteer nearly £500k of commission.
How will they survive now ?
Selling Green Oil ? – no, that went bust as well.
Frank Cannon – have Tailormade ever sold anything that has worked for investors ? Please investigate.
Jeez Guys ‘n’ Gals I was just tucking into my meatloaf and doughnuts, then off to Hooters 😉
Don’t know much other than:
Alistair Burns drives a Aston Martin, lives in Cheshire ( where else) and has a special number plate on it…..
‘Taylor not paid’, have a couple of new large offices off the M6 near Warrington, I believe they own them.
The did some property deals in Cyprus and that was a HUGE cock up, details to follow. That ran into millions……
They have been give a beach front villa in BB ….. but bet they don’t have title 😉
What if that was your villa….. I must investigate that….. could there possible be an instance whereby a villa has been sold twice……surly not that would be dishonest – …oh no lets not think that.
I don’t think they will survive what are they selling?
The hardly have the King Midas touch, more like King Midas in reverse every thing they touch turn to shit!
Oh Shit!
Don’t need to be a accountant to know that the Caribbean arm can not pay back £86 million.
Its party over guys unless the HIG group actually pull something off, but it appears Ameless has not exactly got the trust of investors has he?
I wish I never read it…….
Its worse than I could ever imagine, I don’t think even Erica’s blog can sort this terrible mess out.
@taco
Erica – they’ll come up with something. Probably accuse WTF of being a PI again. Or may they’ll ban everyone.
The meeting on the 12th July 2013 should be fun.
No surrender etc
@loyalistmarcher
I feel we should turn up with placards.
We could hire a bus from Wigan via Sluchers Lane, stopping at York, Birmingham and Basildon.
Little cramped with the Teletubbies, but unless they are “gassy”, it shouldn’t end too bad.
Who will Dave blame this time ?
“The Caribbean companies are real tossers. They ripped us right off”
“but you own and control those companies Dave”
“Yes, but they have special powers controlled by Jeremy Newman.”
Fair enough
Sluchers Lane has a knocking shop.
#justsaying.
The verb to “sluche” is a French verb for walking slowly in a shuffling type of way.
Therefore, it is quite apt that a “slucher” is someone who practises that art. Therefore, we are looking for an ambler. An ambler could amble by choice or by necessity.
I am not sure whether we have the right person. I have traced the IP address of “Salsa Lady” back to the Wigan bunker.
What gave it away was the “salsa” reference. Obviously, a reference to food. Well that’s enough evidence for me.
Its like a an apartheid court in Wigan. Guilty, guilty, guilty !
@ Statutory Remand Center
Was the £86 million?
Steve Austin only cost $6million, so does that make Dave Ames the £86 million £ man?
He could have made himself a bit taller!
‘@the Slucher.
Wrong wrong wrong… it was the use of two random words, Fence and Bird (table)
I immediately picked up a glaring obvious link. 😉
‘Fence’ and ‘Bird’ are words crims use.
Then it all fell into place how could I have been so stupid, some one said on the blog Richard Ingham was in Jail – so it must me true.
So, it was him looking over the FENCE at the BIRD table.
I sentence him to forty gashes 😉
I know now without any doubt Dave Ames is a member of the Billderberg society, it explains everything……… I am going to the Police right away.
theres a couple of dodgy crime numbers kicking about take yr pick . it will save the juice and lets face it yo is ass f….d my babies by the performing midget
the £86 million is presumably loans to the “caribbean” companies for building, running, purchases , etc. what would happen if “shipleys” pursue repayment of this debt. because of the lack of accounts in the overseas companies it is impossible to ascertain their financial position but one would assume it is not strong (otherwise why the need for capital injection via loans from HMSSE and why no further building??). if the overseas companies are liquidated in order to repay HMSSE and any other creditors according to the insolvency laws in each country WOULD it be possible for Ames and family to use their own personal monies to buy the “caribbean assets” at presumably a “fire sale” value. what would the implications be for investors as their “contracts” are now with a “defunct” company. PLUS HMSSE will be repaid from the overseas “liquidation proceeds” albeit in line with the insolvency/liquidation laws within each company. worst case scenario if this is viable is truly staggering…
on a more personal note i have been checking this and other forums and would say that there have been postings that are simply “wrong”. both sides pro/anti have been at fault and it is time that “genuine” investors try and resolve their differences and unite to try a seek the best way forward ( genuine investors can to a certain degree be forgiven as they must be under the most incredible stress at present given the risk to their homes/family/retirement plans). what CANNOT be forgiven is those that purely come on here to try and get discussions disrupted , constantly spout abuse and vile obscenities with the sole aim of hurting others and/or getting the websites closed down. rant over
Any news on the Irish court case?
£86m is a fair wedge.
Best bit is the investors are sleepwalking to lose it all. Dave must be overjoyed.
Irish case – The people claiming at the companies who owe £86m !
Money will not go to investor. No siree !
From the previous postings walton, wtf and erica have all got crime numbers , so perm any one from three and take your pick 1 three idiots who think plod can understand the complexities of this !!.
Ames has screwed everyone over . 86 million quid is gone , but where i hear you ask , there on the stairs right there a little man with a cob on well i declare going clip clipperty clop opps hes not there …………….
his exit strategy was planned years ago and if you hadnt all been so busy fucking each other over you might just might have salvaged something .
The purchasers have lost . Ames has won , mind you the competition wasnt all that ! so we dont have money but hell guys we did have a laugh
wtf – no just retarded cos i invested in harlequin …………………..i cant write , cant spell so i was a fucking perfect victim sorry investor
@andrew shipley
Oh dear me; you are beyond help, you need primary school teaching.
@Words don’t come easy to me.
Its their own bloody fault; Its called
Munchausen by Erica proxy syndrome for adult investors
86 million owed by the resort companies! Surely the administrators have to pull the plug on them.
So much for Mr Ames’ assurances when he put HMSSE into administration that the investors were safe because their contracts were with the resort companies.
THE ERICA’S BLOG LOSES ANOTHER MODERATOR!
Seems like Mein Fuhrer Erica has lost another quality moderator Janey; she made the fatal mistake of possibly not capitulating with the cult like following of the two fatty fatty pie eaters. 😉
Janey, seems to have objected to the banning of people who dared to cross the almighty administrators – well done for sticking to your principles. Truth free speech etc.
You may me next to be unceremoniously dispatched!
You are more than welcome here 😉
We even talk to that evil imaginary PI Richard Ingam 😉
Ames will hide in Australia or Thailand. Svg would be too dangerous.
As expected, the rising tide of filth from the Basildon sewer presaged bad news. The only surprise was that it was no surprise at all, while WTF, 36 and others have been playing their infantile games they have obviously not been paying attention or they would have seen that Mark Sawkins had confirmed that BB was being subsidised at $1m a month – now where was that money coming from? Out of your pockets you simpletons! And that’s only the start – where did the rest of the £300-400m go?
If the contributions of investors on this forum are anything to go by there is no evidence that any of them are anywhere near competent to take any part in a ‘rescue’ plan – do any of you even know what it is you are trying to rescue?
The only significant tangible asset is located in a politically volatile country where the leader and administration have been disposed to look favourably on Ames and Harlequin – what does that tell you?
Greed led the majority of the investors into this mess and now they expect the British taxpayer to pay for investigations to bail them out? – parasites the lot of you.
You bought it – you own it, and don’t come on here whining and expecting any kind of sympathy.
How much of investors’ money did Ames spend in shutting down all debate in the media (internet, TV and newspapers) about Harlequin? Carter Ruck didn’t come cheap. Barbados Free Press is one of the few places left where one can discuss Harlequin and most of the posters on here continue to abuse it with a smear campaign and disgusting profanities. What Erica does with her forum is beside the point.
I sincerely hope that BFP does not pull the thread or censor your posts so that all the world can see you for what you are. Uncouth, vile, homophobic, anti- Semitic, misogynist cowards who hide behind the anonymity that this forum affords you.
Meanwhile you have a problem – where’s your money gone?
In summary:
– They are the biggest employer in SVG island, that’s why nobody does anything.
The other Resort in St Lucia is a disgrace, the rest will never be built.
– They get away with anything because the authority can’t just arrest them, he is smart and goes by his lawyers book.
– They owe money to the entire Caribbean, USA, UK and perhaps North Pole but nobody has balls to just do something.
– The guy has already put aside and when he had enough he’ll disappear.
– Shame for all 5000 investors (including me) but f… sake how could we invest in something done by “Harlequin Hotels and Resorts or Harlequin Properties etc. Who are they? What have they accomplished previously? Nothing is the answer.
My view for what its worth on the £86 million loan and the investor ‘rescue’
If Shipley’s call in the ‘loan’ that means only one thing it’s over, liquidation.
Whatever assets are left after the insolvency practitioners take their cut will be minimal, it will take a long time to conclude.
The IP’s will be fighting to get that job….. imagine the fees.
I think we can all agree on that?
If the HIG & Reg legal get to look at the books and can come up with some viable solution (assuming there is one) is that not a better option for investors, creditors and employees at Buccament Bay?
If it can’t be rescued back to plan A,
One problem I can see is a tiny fraction of investors that would see any plan collapse or not support it for the greater good, if it left Dave Ames head attached to his body!
To me its simple , better to have a go that smash it to bits out of vengeance and hate.
This all I have to say on it.
Paul
@BBaywatch
What wrong with you today? I usually think your posts have credibility. Now you sound just like an intelligent Erica.
But Paul, what is a viable solution and what are you trying to rescue? Is there expertise within HIG or via RL who know anything about or have any kind of track record in this type of business?
I’m not being combative for the sake of it, these are serious questions and I’ve yet to see any answers that give any kind of credibility to a rescue plan. Of course, not being an investor, there may well be information that I am not party to, but if there is isn’t it time to make it public? A rescued BB and Blu (there won’t be anything else will there?) needs partners with confidence in the future and I see nothing that would encourage any other companies to go anywhere near HP in any future form.
@A Real Investor
Investors in Harlequin Property were buying into a business model which intentionally kept as much money from the islands as possible, including tax revenue which is sorely needed, and I bet if this had worked, that where possible, the majority of them would have avoided paying any tax in the UK as well. It was exploitation pure and simple – or call it greed it you want to be blunt. Now it has gone wrong the UK taxpayer is having to fund the investigation into sorting the mess out. I object to my taxes being spent in that way – get it?
@BBaywatch, “infantile?” how about coming up with a few ideas rather just the continual “I told you so” claptrack? You post the same things over and over and over again. Filling up this blog with the same crap. Anything new to say? I guess not.
@36 next time you serve a customer don’t forget it’s “do you want fries with that SIR?” – don’t want to lose another crap job do you?
Very little activity to report from the podgy pie eaters.
Maybe, they will have to ban all the people using a proxy server; what if people are on there with multiple ID’s ? I’m not just referring to the corpulent couple……..
Any plan that that give hope is surly better than throwing in the towel?
if its fails what’s lost?
Choice 1 give up
Choice 2 make it work
@Erica
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. The same thing applies to deleting posts when you have been proved wrong about blaming a gentleman for being a private investigator.
As BB rightly asks: What sort of viable solution is envisaged?
The reality is that the money has been squandered and the only tangibles are a partially built, loss making resort in a questionable location, a third rate hotel and a few scraps of land. You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.
The only end game is an asset sale and a distribution to creditors; the only question therefore is how the process should best be managed to gain maximum return. If this is via an investor group rather than an IP then I wish those involved the best of luck although the I would not be expecting too much. Personally I can’t help thinking that the minimal return after IP liquidation would have been less minimal had they been called in a long time ago instead of allowing Dave more time to run around tilting at windmills and burning more money.
@BBaywatch, oh dear, oh dear, drawn you into the petty insults LOL. You fall for it every time. What happened to “I’m going to ignor you?” So stupid you keep referring back to 36. Ignorant journalistic twat.
@Kroll.
Your a little to set in your thought process to think outside the box, ditto BBwatch.
You just want it to fail so you can say told you so.
@36 – just demonstrated how easy it is to make gratuitously offensive remarks, any fool can do that – however I’ve yet to see anyone make any kind of sensible suggestion for the ‘rescue’ that you all keep talking (and doing nothing) about – that takes brains and intelligence. “Thinking outside the box” – puhleeze – if all you can come up with is 80’s corporate speak you are not going to get very far.
I’m not a journalist BTW, although I do have business interests in the media, but then I also have business interests in hotels and hospitality and I can assure you all that any mention of Harlequin Property in those circles has been met with ridicule for some years now.
You’ve all had your silly fun being rude to each other, but if you want to be taken seriously it’s about time to put some credible grown up proposals forward – personally, like Kroll, I think that it’s far too late – but that’s just my opinion.
Well they do say that history repeats itself first as tragedy, second as farce. I wonder who will be cast in the role of Louis Bonaparte to Dave’s Napolean.
@BBwanker
Well we all can’t be so successful as you are can we, you big cleaver mover and shaker of the global economy
😉
I’m deeply impressed by your (made up) CV.
Erica’s blog will save us, so don’t worry.
The plains of ambition are bleached white
With the bones of those who tried
And having tried failed………but at least they tried
There have to be some young lawyers in both SVG and BGI
who see this unfortunate debacle as an opportunity to seize
political advantage away from the moribund machines that
govern their island nations. The current them vs us power structure
accomplishes nothing. Like this blog all effort is exerted against
the other side with no consequent betterment of the community.
Forget the old entrenched farts. Seize the imigination of those
who want progress. Just do it!
From a developer’s vantage point, I am afraid to say that Kroll and BBaywatch make valid points and Kroll’s earlier post is probably spot on, given the complex nature of having thousands of investors/purchasers and the obvious impossibility to get them all to agree to new contracts, call off stat demands and other legal processes going on. Based on the nature of personal arguments that are taking place already, smooth resolution among investors will not happen. So, liquidation is the likely way that investors will get anything back. BB in its current form may not be worth rescuing, so it needs to change. The first plan that investors should be looking to see put in place (if they want to avoid liquidation, and even if they do so as to increase value) is turning around BB into a viable business, otherwise it will remain a cash sucking asset of little value. Whoever takes over this asset will have to plan this change first and foremost. Blu is an easier asset to get on top of and manage effectively. Investors need to understand what the running costs are at BB, what breakeven is, whether break even is possible/likely, and if not then reduce the operating costs (close off some of the units, run a smaller place, don’t incur costs that are not absolutely necessary, like footballers and west end performers), change the nature of the resort in terms of who it is looking to cater to, understand where the market is coming from, who is the target, how do they get there – essentially, build the business model and plan from scratch, if indeed there is not one already in place. If the resort is making money and we are mistaken, investors should have access to the resort’s books and financial reports. It is true that in the Caribbean hotel circles, Harlequin have been ridiculed since day 1, not out of mailce at all because (the right) development is encouraged, but because it had no serious foundations as a business model, it was flawed from the outset, the idea of a 1500 room resort in SVG was absurd, the other locations were bizarre, plans kept changing, and it was hard to see so many purchasers get on board a ship that always had to sink. Mr Ames also is not an impressive resort developer/operator, and it is obvious upon meeting him that he has no knowledge or experience of the business he was involved with. His business was selling and commissions, the small matter of building and operating what was sold was seemingly not on his radar. However, that of course does not help you going forward, and if you can raise 50m in selling the assets for what is allegedly over 10 cents in the dollar back, then I would accept that and move on. I acknowledge my comments are based on limited knowledge of the Harlequin position of course, but extensive knowledge of resort development, operation and receivership/liquidation situations. I check into this forum from time to time as it is hoped investors get some sort of resolution/closure to this sooner rather than later and that the spectre of Harlequin leaves the islands soon as it has just been a train crash waiting to happen and now it is happening, it is best for all for it to just be over.
@100.
Still better to try than just give up? or maybe that’s just wishful thinking and we are up the creak with no paddle.
Its not the best weekend I have had.
What a pity Taylormade are owed £500k that would explain while they are just about hanging on, selling farm land and gold, what a bunch of wan***ks.
What goes around comes around 😉
There is a God after all
The ‘Wigan Wobblies’ are not too bright, nor well behaved in public.
This was demonstrated during the last meeting in Warrington, when I assume it was ‘Erica’ who insisted on interrupting Ames, again and again.
Mr. Broughton needed to be restrained by security….. saying something like ‘I will kill him’
This is just sort of behavior that will damage any possibility of working together on a solution.
Disruptive, negative, unsettling.
And this woman is the investors savior!!!!!!!!
I have been disgusted by the behaviour of Erica Broughton and I worry that her forum has been a diary of a breakdown. I say that with no disrespect for mental health issues.
Any reasonable person wants a resolution to suit everyone but she only wants to make wild accusations, get in the media and destroy Harlequin. I joined the forum with interest to see what would be discussed as a way forward for investors but it was all name calling, publishing personal details of anyone she disliked, stupid ideas for joke music videos insulting Harlequin and promoting that Crozier person. What a pathetic ego project.
The summary of the administrators report is interesting. Taking it at face value we are told that the various resort development companies owe HMSSE £86.3m.
Given that the chief purpose of HMSSE was to act as a conduit for purchaser monies from the UK to the Caribbean how can the related companies owe so much money back to the UK?
Ames himself said that, apart from the commission paid (or not in the case of TailorMade) to agents, they haven’t taken a penny and all the money has been sent to the development companies.
So, if these companies owe so much of purchasers’ money back to the UK shouldn’t we be asking why?
Mr Ames stated at the investors meetings that Buccament Bay was making a profit. It appears not. Another porky pie David?? Why hang around any longer. WTF, FDNRM- Still in contact with your old mate? What are his thoughts on the latest developments?
@TS.
Sad but true.
Lets not forget the stupid pictures of Ames in various prison clothing. I have no time for Ames period – but she just loves the attention -classic narcissistic behavior.
I worry for the fragile followers she has ‘taken under her wing’ could have tragic consequences – she needs help herself.
I have the same question. If the contracts were between the resort companies and the investors (which I believe is the case) the only income the sales arm should have had is surely just the commission it was presumably due under whatever contractual agreement was in place between the two.
86 million sounds like a lot of commission.
The only other possibility I can think of is that HMSSE was taking investors money then “lending” it to the resort companies – thus the amount owed. If that is the case, then the investors are creditors of HMSSE rather than the resort companies.
I guess we will have to wait until a copy of Shipleys’ report is leaked to find out what is going on.
On the Ames quote about “not taking a penny” I don’t have it to hand, but I don’t think he actually said what you have quoted. I think it was more along the lines of he hadn’t taken a penny of the money which had been sent to the Caribbean for the resorts. Subtly different and leaving every opportunity for him to pay himself and the family whatever he wanted out of HMSSE.
Finally, of the 86 million due to HMSSE, it will be interesting to see how much is due to investors. If indeed they do not have contracts with HMSSE, then the money goes to Ames as he owns HMSSE.
B-Belief……….a very appropriate question. Very few on hear are being
un-emotionally rational. Actually it seems to me Buccament is a no go.
H-Hotel Barbados is probably the most valuable property. But who owns
it? Is it free of encumbrance? Clean title or mortgaged? Where did
the money come from? (Investors?) If it is a Bajan registered ownership
what local lawyer directs it? Even in its skeletal condition, in
my mind it would get the quickest and highest dollar. Do investors have
a stake or is it 100% Ames? Any silent partners?
…..very few on here”
A few things that really piss me off,
‘Erica the blog gob’ gives advice she is not qualified to give, whether it be something that a solicitor should do or a trained mental health professional.
What if she gets it wrong?
Just like Ames, she is out of her depth and should stick to what she does best – Ironing.
Like Ames she is mad as a mad thing
@BBaywatch. So you think I am playing “infantile games” Your comments regarding, “next time you serve a customer don’t forget it’s “do you want fries with that SIR? – don’t want to lose another crap job do you?” Shows an unbelievable level of ignorance and moral bankruptcy. To try and belittle ANY person for taking a job in order to feed his family and keep a roof over their heads shows you, sir, exactly as the type of person you are. For someone who has “business interests in the media” your comment above was extremely offensive. If you make those sorts of comments to anyone in hotels and hospitality then your business would be finished. I am personally discusted by your comments, to mock any person trying to make a living is beneath contempt.
@FDNRM…..why don’t you say the same thing to your buddy
WTF re: his ironing put-downs? You are both disgusting.
@FDNRM
You have an extremely erratic moral compass. Always quick to take offence yourself but seemingly unable to appreciate or accept the questionable morality of your own conduct. You really are a strange individual.
….And by the way, I said large fries with the cheeseburger not regular. Do I have to call the manager again?
Can/should we look into the possibility of getting Erica sectioned?
Entirely for her own good of course.
Here is what’s required:
You can get a person sectioned under the Mental Health Act by having two doctors, one of them a psychiatrist, and a social worker or close family member to examine such person and recommend so. This act came into being in 1983 and gives such doctors to detain a sectioned person for up to 72 hours.
Thoughts?
@Anon8.15 WTF has not made any similar remarks to me.
@ anon 8.22 Would you like to expand on your statement, “questionable morality of my own conduct” like to give examples.
Ay mon leave FDNRM alon …. C U Next Tuesday, he workin fo da dolla.
dat fatty boom boom broughton, goat nose who da problem
she need one up the battyhole
ONLY 72 HOURS?
@Anon 8:22 It took him forty minutes to come up with that
“pithy” (no lisping please) response. Time-out !!!
@Anon 9.02, are you talking about my response?
The Wigan Plumpa Lumpas
The Wigan Plumpa Lumpas
I think it’s awesome that Erica has managed to frighten and anger Ames so much that his allegiance is attacking her so grotesquely and cruelly.
Sure, her emotions run high, and she wears her heart on her sleeve and cocks up online sometimes. But that is completely understandable. If this vitriolic, sickening abuse is a representation of Harlequin (and it is) no wonder she has been driven to act the way she has. Anyone can see that.
Are you people trying to make her ill? Who are you? IFAs? Tailormade? Or direct employees?
You Harlequin trolls are disgusting. I am ashamed that people in the Caribbean may be led to believe that you are representative of British people and their views.
You are not. Not in the least.
you are not alone be any shot @anon11:09
Can we have a separate thread devoted to Erica and her antics maybe?
@anon7.14pm. H Barbados the most valuable asset? Are you serious? The place looks like a building that has been bombed! Syria comes to mind.
I would be surprised if it could get a buyer at US 1.5 million , given that the concrete and steel shell that is on the land needs to be pulled down. It’s just a sad joke what they have done there in the last year or so . Harlequin and H studio are laughed at in the local construction circles.
“Redefining Luxury in the Caribbean” what a load of crap!
Of course , we also have Merricks , where all that is happening is that some “white lady” has been selling building materials and supplies from the deserted construction site.
When will the deluded investors understand that it is all over and pull the plug on the company that has not delivered what they were contracted to do?
@ Nick Stewart
There’s nothing to stop you starting your own forum and while you’re about it take the bunch of no mark Harlequin trolls with you. Then you can all post sexual innuendo and masturbate to your hearts content.
Ok guys funs over back to the serious stuff – how the hell do we get our money back – a mad dangerous question, any answer? or are we all to busy shagging around on here
any body got the in on the other MR SHIPLEY ?
@andrew shipley
Simple answer you can’t get your money back, but you need English lessons. I am available 😉 need the money.
This is very strange…….
Did Erica not accuse Ingham of following her? And yet we have pictures of his house and reference to a white car – that’s not normal.
What if Erica were to have confronted him like she did with Ames, would Mr Broughton have to be restrained.
Maybe he should report her to the police?
From an earlier post:
A paranoid delusion is the fixed, false belief that one is being harmed or persecuted by a particular person or group of people. Paranoid delusions are known technically as a “persecutory delusion.”
It involves the person’s belief that he or she is being conspired against, cheated, spied on, followed, poisoned or drugged, maliciously maligned, harassed, or obstructed in the pursuit of long-term goals.
Small slights may be exaggerated and become the focus of a delusional system with a person suffers from a paranoid delusion.
The focus of the delusion is often on some injustice that must be remedied by legal action. The affected person may engage in repeated attempts to obtain satisfaction by appeal to the courts and other government agencies.
Individuals with paranoid delusions are often resentful and angry,
Under the circumstances how would you react?
There needs to be a serious reality check here. It appears that a housewife from Wigan has attracted more criticism on this Harlequin forum than Dave Ames, the illustrious leader of Harlequin who has caused this whole sorry mess. This Essex wide boy has lied time and time again, ripped off thousands of people and yet there seem to be investors on here who are becoming more obsessed with their hate for Erica rather than dealing with the main culprit, Mr Ames.
WTF, FDNRM- No one really cares if your burger bar workers or PI’s. It’s boring now, stop harping on about it. Oh, any you both conviniently swerved my earlier question- Any update from your mate Ames on the recent developments regarding 86 million going missing in the carribean?? Time to draw a line in the sand fellas on this hate campaign against this Wigan housewife. The bullyings gone too far in my opinion.
Take Ames And Fire
Agreed, Its now very boring…. but needed saying.
Now its out in the open, we just have to wait and let the PROFESSIONALS deal with it, most investors won’t understand it – I don’t
human nature as it is will just focus on the £86 million that’s missing.
We need someone to explain in laymans term, what if any options we have?
All I want is someone to tell me what it means in very simple terms, and what choices I have ,
I don’t give two hoots about blogs, PI’s GI’s or any of this shit.
All,
We have the report and will be issuing a copy tomorrow morning at about 11am.
This will be issued via http://www.harlequininvestorgroup.co.uk in the usual way.
Gareth Fatchett
Regulatory Legal Solicitors
@EddieLizzard2, can you BBaywatch with you with his boring one eyed posts.
@Take Ames and Fire, I agree my work should be of no interest to anyone else. However BBaywatch seems to think it is a matter for frivolity, as do you, and I’m surprised Yatinkiteasy has not repremanded him for clogging up the forum with meaningless posts.
FDNRM – in a liquidation how would your “investment” be protected ?
No land titles have been vested with any investor ?
@GF, how should I know. Not got a clue.
@FDNRM – Everyone would be an unsecured creditor in the Caribbean.
Any special deals would be reversed as preferences.
It seems to me that all investors are in the same boat (although some are deluded to think otherwise).
The HMSSE report will once and for all tell you what you need to know about the integrity of agents, sales staff and those running HP.
Any variance from this conclusion would be simply bizarre.
@Gareth Fatchett.
It will be unpleasant reading for sure, but it will be based on 100% facts.
Something sadly lacking of late. Facts I like.
“It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.”
Sherlock
We all have been guilty of this
“I had,” he said, “come to an entirely erroneous conclusion, my dear Watson, how dangerous it always is to reason from insufficient data.”
Sherlock.
@FDNRM. I would like to appologise for belittling your current employment. I admire anyone who is willing to work in order to feed and clothe his family. What’s more I am wrong to continually referr to you as 36 which I recognise as being your old ID but not your current one. Please accept my sincere appologise and good luck for. The future.
FDNRM, I have not belittled your current profession at any point and I have no interest in what yourself and WTF do for a living. You need to move on from worrying about little jibes and start putting your energy into retrieving your investment.
You do seem to have swerved my earlier question again though- Any news from your friend Mr Ames yet as to where the 86 million has gone? I thought he stated Buccament Bay was making a profit at the investor meetings but it appears it was propped up by investor cash instead?
@TAAF you seem to be under the impression I talk or have contact with DA on a daily basis. Last time I spoke to him was over 2 months ago. I have no answers to your questions, why should I, do you? I cannot “swerve” something I no nothing about.
At last calmer waters!
When RL publish the report maybe we can all read it digest it and work towards a common goal?
Please?
That’s not me now! 😉
I have been disbarred,
@BBaywatch, my question was directed to FDNRM and WTF. I got the impression that these two were in constant dialogue with Ames.
Fdnrm posted in bb name and forgot to change it back when replying in his own. Lol
FDNRM, why are you posting in other peoples names, where’s the sense in that? Things must be getting desperate at Harlequin HQ, multiple user names, forgetting to change log in names. This is so incompetent it smacks of Harlequin! At least you answered my question in a roundabout kind of way. How about WTF, any news from your pal Ames?
@FDNRM.
Please explain, you are actually BBaywatch and FDNRM??
Why would you do that? That’s a worry…….. as you hate each other!
It could be someone pretending to be FDNRM …..
Hi Guys ‘n’ Gals, Frank here,
Trust a God damm limey gum shoes to come out with all that fancy talk! No offence Sherlock!
Any how, cut the crap, jeeze…. We need to see if this Harlequin thing is a dead duck.
Kill it or save it – simple.
That’s ain’t for me I only count calories, Math has always’s been too confusin for me.
Frank
FDNRM also posts under the the name Sportingman on the other blog. He then got nasty and started threatening Erica when people realised they were one and the same. His posts are a case study in passive aggression and he is basically a nasty piece of work.
@Anonymous.
You think he is, he could be on there with multiple ID’s and still be on, under a ‘nice identity’ He could post as pro Ames when he actually is anti Ames,- the fact is, you assume things…….. that’s all you can do.,,guess.
Look how silly that has made people look in the past, we don’t know and its not important, is it?.
But £86 million is important …… very important.
£86 million
£86 million
£86 million
£86 million
Judging by the attempts at disruption recently it looks as if Harlequin is really getting desperate and the news in the report due to be released tomorrow is not going to good. Bad news for investors will mean worse news for employees, contractors and others owed money on the islands – that’s where my sympathy lies.
so no money back , not a happy chappie I can tell you .
so what do we do now or is that it then .
@BBaywatcht.
Had I deduced the fact you had been impersonated correctly?.
@SH “you know my methods Watson!”
Gareth Fatchett please shut up and let the facts do the talking for once. No doubt we will read your opinion online in the next few days as you whore yourself to the media “in the interest of investors”.
You’re the male version of Erica if one substitutes anger for greed.
36 have U bin drinking??
@FDNRM.
“My name is Sherlock Holmes. It is my business to know what other people do not know.”
Gareth “Heir to Ames” Fatchett your new I presume 😉
What a very odd week, Watson.
Erica been exposed as someone who follow a fellow investors whilst reporting them to the police…… for the same ‘crime’
FDNRM the Ames Number 1 supporter, is actually BBbaywatch who is the exact opposite…….They have online arguments.
WTF aka PI from Warrington, is actually a real investor from York…… and not a Private investigator.
What’s next?
Dave Ames actually has a plan and it all will work out?
sure it will work for ames – the buggars made of teflon
£86 million.
£86 million.
I hope the Reg legal document explains things in simple terms, accountancy not my bag
£86 million.
£86 million.
@FDNRM what a guy
You are one of us all the time 😉 you cheeky little blighter!
Whist supporting Ames as FDNRM – you were giving him a right rogering as BBaywatch….. superb… never play poker with you.
What a guy, gone right up in my estimation, talk about the gamekeeper turned poacher.
Never seen that one coming – well done!!!!
@Anon 12.34. I’m afraid you information is incorrect. Erica posted something which was incorrect. As a condition of registering on her site you have to give an e-mail address which I duly did. She then posted something which I took acception to and said if she divulged my e-mail then “I would sue her arse off” or words to that extent as I no longer have access to her site. I’ve been banned. I have asked her why but she refuses to answer. Her site has very poor security and protection of privacy is a condition placed on any administrator or web site owner. Now if you can tell me how I was nasty, why I was banned it would be greatly appreciated. She did by the way appologise for her comment. I would suggest you might do the same. Thank you
Sportingman – so how are you getting on with the legal action?
What legal action?
That should be “exception” in the post above.
Dear Harlequin Investor
Many thanks for your expression of interest in the Pro-Harlequin
Investors Group via our United2Succeed web site. We are very pleased to
have received your contact details, thank-you.
We sent out three updates to the early registrants. To keep everyone up
to date, here is the first of those updates again :-
Pro-Harlequin Investors Group
Our objectives, briefly, are to :- Establish a substantial group of
investors who wish to see Harlequin realise the full potential of
their investment and not to sue them out of existence, to the
detriment of all investors
To build a fighting fund so that we can collectively present a united
front to face up to such further threats as may arise against
Harlequin interests – our interests – world wide
Be in a position to present mass objections to, for example, adverse
press statements that are inaccurate and sensationalist, of negative
value to us as Harlequin investors
Be in a position to influence authorities and regulatory bodies to
support the Harlequin business model and refrain from placing it in a
disadvantageous position
Obtain accurate, regular, up to date information about our
investments and their progress from Harlequin and their advisors
In the short term, this means that we will have to get out of our arm
chairs and be proactive in working with each other, agents, IFAs and
Harlequin to counter the threats to our valuable investments, both
capital and promised recurring revenue which, in the long run is far
more valuable than the deposits we have at risk and well worth fighting
for, in our opinion.
We see no merit is throwing rocks at a drowning man – or Harlequin –
but need to get behind them to help them drag themselves out of the
mire they and we, are all in.
Our activities to 22/05/13
At the outset of last week we went into this with major concerns and
significant trepidation over the security of our investments and
whether we were too late to help recover anything. Nevertheless, we did
our consultancy bit – we’re IT Consultants – and started making
enquiries and pressing agents to contact all of you and to help get us
meeting appointments with Harlequin Management and Eleven Capital. This
they did.
Harlequin
We put together a presentation which set out the position as we
understood it – very good news in Buccament Bay – but with a host of
problems and threats behind that.
We also set out what we are trying to achieve – the points above – and
then started asking a series of questions about the accounts, finances,
security of sponsors and just who was getting them $100m and how they
were going to get it in the 3 to 6 months proposed.
We received a very positive response indeed, with offers of help, to
operate a Pro-Harlequin Investors Group. We also came away with an
overall positive view that Harlequin have recognised that they have a
lot of work to do, need to get and have got some senior advisors on
board and generating a re-structuring / business plan. This should be
available in something like 3 or 4 weeks – but do be aware that plans
of this nature often take longer to create and verify, in all
companies, not just Harlequin.
Eleven Capital
We equally did some research on Eleven Capital prior to our meeting
with them, which they very much welcomed. The Eleven UK accounts showed
a dismal performance and very low turn over – leading us to question
whether these guys are anything like serious enough players to raise
$100m.
Eleven Capital have been around for about 20 years and have offices in
London, Copenhagen and Mumbai from which they trade commodities,
amongst other things. Mumbai alone trades $30m of oil a day. Eleven
have also stated they have raised between $100m and $300m roughly every
18 months for various companies, so no mean operation and the Harlequin
monies are not the first they have raised.
Eleven are also party to working with Baker Clark, the accountants as
presented on the Open Days, to create a re-structuring strategy for
Harlequin, leading to the business plan being generated at present that
will feed into the application for capital funding of $100m. We were
given to understand that both Eleven and Harlequin staff worked long
hours throughout the weekend to generate the numbers needed for the
plan and now going through the processes of verifying the substance
behind those numbers.
Eleven have also had meaningful discussions with the SFO, FCA and HIG /
Regulatory Legal, pointing out to each that the Harlequin statements
have already been justified and proven in the High Court to counter the
previously published web site claims and have the site taken down.
Those discussions are ongoing but it seems likely that we will all hear
some positive news from each of those organisations in due course.
This week – to 17/05/13
During this week the message has been spreading with senior agents (we
met a group of them in the week, receiving very positive support for
the approach) and investors all stepping forwards to come and support
the Pro-Harlequin Investors Group concept – which isn’t new but has not
gained concrete momentum before now. It now seems to be doing so and we
are optimistic that our initial efforts have fired the necessary senior
people into action, supporting the work that Harlequin and their
advisors are doing behind the scenes.
The downside of the week is the issuing of two further tranches of
legal action. One to freeze up to 1.1m of the Ames family assets and
the other to lay claim to £400k repayment. More unhelpful rocks being
thrown at the project risking all our investments. We can do two things
– panic – or think logically, pull together and fight back.
Overall
We went into this very worried and seriously concerned for both our
investments and our time away from our own businesses being wasted –
but came out of it with a very much more positive view of both
Harlequin and Eleven – and an increasing number of investors finding
their voices to support the objectives.
The health warning on all this is of course that there is no one magic
bullet to make it all come good, nor will it happen in 5 minutes and we
can all relax back in our arm chairs and count the cash. Far from it.
There will be changes. Some of those changes won’t be pleasant or meet
our original expectations.
BUT – if we all pull together with Harlequin and their advisors, taking
serious steps to counter those actions which will damage or destroy our
investments, we have a chance or resurrecting something with which we
can all be at least satisfied if not very pleased.
Sitting back and wringing our hands will only result in our drifting
blindly into oblivion crying “woe is me”. At least attempting to turn
it around and fight off the unwanted attention may give the project a
fighting chance to show a return. Killing the Golden Goose by whatever
means will result in nothing for anyone
So, to take this forward will demand :- money, a subscription to the
group is necessary
skills, we have substantial relevant skills within the investor base
– management, financial, building trades.. and IT (we have to be able
to communicate easily and cheaply – so even IT consultants have their
uses !)
time, timescales will undoubtedly be longer than promised to date
flexibility, to accept something different to that originally
contracted
substantial keeping of the faith that together we can turn this
around and reap something like the rewards we signed up for
We look forward to your active support.
Best regards
Pro-Harlequin Investor Group
This is from another blog – Cassandra.
The report from Shipleys is online on their website – see the link in the first post in this thread.
The report shows that there is around £83.6 million more owed to the company’s creditors than the company has in assets. The shortfall only exists because the administrators and directors have not been able to work out how much can be recovered from the related parties, including Dave and Carol’s three children. In my view, while the size of the shortfall is shocking, what really galls me is that the directors, who took all this cash and allocated it around a load of businesses in the Caribbean, don’t seem to have a clue whether those companies can actually repay this. Dave owns and controls every single one of those companies, but his wife and son seem utterly clueless as to what has happened in the resort companies and other businesses.
One thing that stands out is the money due from Harlequin Properties (Caribbean) Ltd. This is the company that was, apparently, used as the vehicle to hold the properties in Dubai. The March 2011 accounts showed that company owing HMSSE over £5 million. The statement of affairs shows about half that. There is no explanation for why the amount owed has dropped so much. It could be that they’ve sold off some of the properties and repaid part of the loans, but that’s just a guess on my part.
The recommendation from the administrators, if I read it correctly, is that the administration should continue while they work out whether a company voluntary arrangement is feasible. If that won’t work, they want to place the company into liquidation.
For the CVA to be approved, there is a two-stage test. There has to be 75% of the creditors by value approving the proposal. In addition, at least 50% of the unconnected creditors have to approve it. This is designed to stop an automatic approval being given just because there is a large value (as in this case) of connected creditors. Looking at the unconnected creditors, £1 million is for commission payable to staff, £500k or so is due to Tailormade and £189k owed to a set of barristers chambers, presumably the bloke who has been representing Harlequin in its various legal actions. Provided Harlequin can get these to vote in favour of the proposals, I’d think that there is a good chance of them being approved.
It is worth noting that there is no recognition of any monies owed to purchasers, other than a few hundred thousand in respect of the projects in Australia and Jamaica. This is because, I think, their view is that the purchasers are owed money by the Caribbean companies and not by HMSSE.
My guess is that, unless the UK authorities, such as the Insolvency Service, intervene, there will be a CVA in a few weeks. This will give the Ames family control of HMSSE again. It will be the detail of the CVA proposal that will be very revealing. This has to show how much the creditors will be paid out and over how long a period. If there is any reduction at all in the monies due to the Dom Rep and St Lucia companies, I’d have thought that this will show that they are insolvent themselves. This is on the assumption that they prepare accounts on the same basis that HP(SVG) does – that is, they have a net worth of £1 as the assets (land and loans) are matched by liabilities (monies from purchasers).
Read more: http://harlequininvestors.boards.net/thread/125/shipleys-report?page=1&scrollTo=2931#ixzz2XjMFemUa
Summary we are all in the shit. If you want to see some facts have a look.
Click to access Harlequin-Management-Services-SE-Limited.pdf
Its bad reading…… yet the Pro -harlequin investors come out with that shit
maybe they are wrong and its all ok ;(
In order to have a CVA you need to be able to persuade the Joint Administrators that it is viable. This would mean Harlequin would need to show that they can repay HMSSE.
The master plan was going well up until that point.
The Caribbean companies cannot show that as they are also insolvent (due to the creditors – eg investors).
Ames planned to old “pre-pack” and go. However, his timing was thwarted by those nasty investors who asked for their money back.
CVA will not happen…. have faith
Hello Cassandra, I would like to read the link you have put up. Unfortunately I am banned from the forum. Do you have any idea why?
@ Grandmaster Flash.
If BB is being subsidised to such a degree, how could it be able to pay back HMSSE Ltd? Shipley;s need to be cautious with they play by the book…..
@sportingman/fdnrm try http://www.shipleys.com/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/18979/Harlequin-Management-Services-SE-Limited.pdf
@FDNRM/Sportingman
Why do it you idiot, you really are pathetic.
@ Sporting FDNRM BBaywatch aka 36
Come spill the beans…. your dark horse 😉
désolé pour mon mauvais engish…..
it can happen cos the ames could give the other companies time to repay hmsse.. he owns them all so he can do what he wants. barstard.
@ andrew shipley
Its not up to him you silly man, your making a poor you of being thick
Those bloody accountants, how have they lost 86million! Dave Ames and Harlequin have been so hard done by again! As the great man said himself ‘you trust people to do their jobs properly’. Yes David, and we trusted you. You have failed miserably, time to call it a day. Taxi for the Ames family!……
Wormwood Scrubs please!
And I dedicate this to David Ames and family
What has winning awards got to do with a viable business that generates an income. The awards are based on a subsidised part built show resort. Yes every guest/customer that stays costs the company/new investor money. Bait in a scam. Walk the beach, enjoy the pool, lay down look around you and you can work out this space cannot accommodate more than 400 guests max at 5 star. It’s bullshit. Go see for yourself.
Some one help! In the United States what would Shipley’s
be analogous to? Also what legal actions can it take.
It seems to me that if Shipley’s allowed Ames somehow to retain
control of all the Harlequin groups debt free and at a loss to all
the investors its professional reputation would be forever ruined in
British financial circles.
Shipley’s report has given us some meat to get our teeth into, in particular the Trade Creditors report starting on page 27.
I am in the Caribbean so will be heading for bed in a couple of hours. You will be up and about 5 hours ahead of me so you will have plenty of time to Google each of the creditors and get their details from Companies House. I suspect there are some interesting relationships in there as these are the people paid by Harlequin (HMSSE anyway) to do all sorts of things for them. The investigation may throw some light on “special deals”, why certain people continue to post in support of Harlequin despite the clear problems and possibly the identities of those people.
Frank Cannon, now is your opportunity!
Carter f%ck due 25k…..they can whistle for that!
Also, no funds due from Thailand? As Andrew Drumond documented harlequin money spent in koh Chang and also pattaya…I think this is far from complete…
Also, what about directors loans to the Ames gang?
I am making my way through the Shipley’s report. As a starter and as an indication of what is interesting:
Cannon Hill Services – owed 15,600; well we know who they are.
CAS Clarks Shredding – owed 88 pounds; I wonder what was shredded and when.
Cornhill Property – owed 10,000; does the address ring a bell, isn’t that Cannon Hill. (Not checked so may be incorrect).
Discovery Forensics – owed 12,600; are these the people who found out who ran Harlecon?
Finlays Bureau of Investigation – owed 84.00; are these the Private Investigators?
Hideaway Property Investments – owed 3,200; now that looks like it is worth spending some time on.
Infra-Tech Forensics – owed 6,300; someone else looking at people’s IT systems?
Sean Ghent – 6,000; no comment
Be careful, though. I suspect the vast majority of these firms were just ordinary suppliers of services who have lost the money honestly due to them.
@ Nick Stewart
The Thailand property may be a red herring. Mr Ames paid himself a salary and we know took dividends. If he has bought property in Thailand with that money, it is not the administrator or liquidator of HMSSE who will have any involvement in it if it is a personal purchase. The Dubai property purchases are different, as they were apparently bought using a loan from the company and on behalf of the company. I am yet to spot a reference to that in the Shipleys’ report or to the loans. That may indicate that the loans have been repaid.
It is also important to look at the overall position of creditors and debtors.
86 million is due from related companies; 83.6 million is due to related companies.
HMSSE was clearly used to “wash-through” money. In other words it appears that lots of money came into it – and lots of money was paid out from it. So 39 million is due to the Dom Rep resort, while 22 million is due from Harlequin Property (SVG) with another 19 million due from Buccament Bay Resort.
What does this mean? Presumably HMSSE paid bills for Buccament Bay to the tune of 41 million. How could it owe 39 million to Dom Rep, though?
Over to the accountants.
Unless the income from the Dom Rep purchasers was 39 million, which was then fed back to HMSSE, then out to the other resorts? Sounds a lot of sales in the Dom Rep, though.
BBaywatch, a correction – I don’t suppose that many were taken in but I will confirm that I have never posted as 36, FDNRM or any of the other personas adopted by that person. More of the same old from the HP dirty tricks dept. and I expect that this will get worse as the bad news continues to come out – the rat cornered etc.
I had to pick this out from the Harlequin Investor release –
“We were given to understand that both Eleven and Harlequin staff worked long hours throughout the weekend to generate the numbers needed for the plan and now going through the processes of verifying the substance
behind those numbers.”
I think that translates as ‘cooking the books’ 😉 You can tell the authentic stamp of Ames in this, the language and style is comedy gold.
I I have been made aware of a letter sent to investors saying pay up or lose your deposit……. Its on the other blog.
A thought, who was it sent to and why or how were they selected?
Even worse, what if you ‘unit’ was sold more than once?
So Ames has done the dirty on, his QC, Carter Ruck, his head of security, even the totally independent pro Harlequin investor group. 😉
Domain name:
united2succeed.org.uk
Registrant:
Cannon Hill Services – 21st May 2013
Registrant type:
UK Limited Company, (Company number: 6500368)
Registrant’s address:
323 Cannon Hill Lane
London
Greater London
SW20 9HQ
United Kingdom
Its the little companies that I feel sorry for Carter Ruck can take it, a couple of thousand to a small business could kill it.
The Ames family addresses being published would concern me if I were in the same position.
take a quick look at the trade creditors. a lot of familiar names, check out their websites/google them. there are many trade creditors who were “agents”, ifa’s, property companies who were selling “harlequin” and one would presume have outstanding commission.
Jesus! Did they pay anyone!!
You certainly can’t accuse Ames of discrimination he ripped everybody off right down to the local plumber. These look like bills accumulated over quite a long period, been trading insolvent for a long time?
Good to see the “advisors” on the list.
Come on Harlisuccess give me a laugh with your spin on the this.
@BBaywatch
But did he post as you!
@Lord Haw-Haw – well someone impersonated me, I have no way of knowing for sure who it was.
@bbaywatch, does that mean that your heartfelt appology want frm you? And I thought you had turned a new leaf and become a more caring, compassionate person. Shame
The list of Creditors unpaid in the Caribbean from H hotel and Merricks development will make for even more interesting reading. In Barbados the list includes Inland Revenue Dept, Vat dept , National Insurance, Preconco Ltd etc etc..
In St Vincent there are also many people and companies waiting to be paid for products and services provided to BB.
Harlequin sure knows how to Redefine Luxury in the Caribbean!
By now it should be clear to anyone except an idiot, that they will never receive legal title to anything that they bought from these jokers.
Running a Headquarters until you have £2 thousand in the Bank and owe creditors some 4 million shows the complete inability to run a business. And yet there are those who believe that a Rescue Plan with the Ames gang in charge, will somehow make everything ok. Delusional!
The bigger question is what’s the state of the Caribbean companies, pretty much the same?
Where is FDNRM and Hardley a Success when I need some motivation to tell me all is well!!!
On a serious note Lord Haw-Haw, the state of creditors in the Caribbean will be an equally sad state…… we are simply in the shit big time.
All,
Time is running out for a solution
It was always going to come to this. Harlequin Property in its various guises in the Caribbean owe £86m to HMSSE. This will need to be repaid.
Do the Caribbean companies have the ability to do this ? The simple answer is “no” unless investors agree a process with Mr Ames.
Strangely, even though investors are one step removed from HMSSE, they are the key to any solution.
Eleven Capital will really struggle to get a finance company to lend money to Harlequin while the £86m debt is owing.
Therefore, the only real money generation will come from completions and an Investor Trust. This approach can only be directed by investors.
No deal will mean liquidation in our opinion. Whether a deal gets done is entirely in the hands of Mr Ames. No one else.
Link to the Report
Click to access Harlequin-Management-Services-SE-Limited.pdf
Link to our Commentary
Joint Administrators Report – Commentary – click on the link to download
Action
We have recommended what action should be taken.
Conclusion
HIG and RL will work hard to get an agreement with Mr Ames. HIG and RL may not be able to reach terms to protect investors. Investors may reject any terms.
Regulatory Legal Solicitors
Looks to me like Ames is committing commercial Hari Kari?
“I’m not a psychopath, I’m a fully functioning sociopath. Do your research.”
No CVA can occur without investors agreeing not to sue for breach of contract.
That is a boulder which Mr Ames can only shift by clearing the Statutory Demands,
End of.
@Loony tunes, I’m too busy cooking burgers mate.
@ So mote it be
It’s still a grey area at the moment . See the Shipley report:
6.3.5 Following my appointment, I received numerous claims from Company investors, however, it appears from the documentation that has been provided that the Company only acted in an intermediary capacity between the investor and the relevant overseas Companies.
6.3 .6 For the purpose of this report, the Joint Administrators have not recognised these potential investor claims as the contractual relationship is between the investor and the overseas Companies. The Joint Administrators are currently seeking legal advice in this matter and will update creditors of this opinion in due course.
6 . 3 . 7 However, pending receipt of the legal advice , investors are entitled to submit details of their unsecured claim to the Joint Administrators offices.
Well, the Shipleys report has shut the pro Harlequin w@nkers up!
Aimless and his sidekicks have certainly f#cked everyone over!
No rescue plan will ever work, too much owed.
Lying little tw@t said investors money was safe as it was in the Caribbean??
Slimy, greasy, lying, low life toads… all of them!
Love to meet any of them in a dark alley… Monies worth!!!
@EddieL
The investors are the key in the Caribbean. They have their formal claims there. What if investors pursue the companies in the Caribbean ?
That would be a problem which has a knock on effect with HMSSE.
@So mote it be
Well, that seems like a jolly good idea; it would be a bloody mess if that were to happen for all concerned ( apart from the IP’s)
The problem is Monsieur Ames still thinks he is ‘untouchable’ and can pull this off… God only knows why!
We are talking weeks before it falls over for good .If investors will work with Ames it could work, if not it WILL FAIL.
@ ETOPP.
It’s sound less offensive in my native tongue mon ami 😉
Eric foulé Pie de porc
Just for FDNRM
http://www.basildonrecorder.co.uk/news/10518858.Harlequin_Property_staff_owed_total_of___1million/
£1 million of commission for miss selling!
They shouldn’t be getting anything to my mind???
@Erection Thrusting On P#nis Pump
Glad you missed me… sad to see you are still spouting your utter cr@p!
Just what we have come to expect from one of Ames’s bum-chums.
Have the guts to come clean and ID yourself like I did, or just shut the f#ck up! Spineless low life…
@All other genuine purchasers
Anyone know if Ames is obliged to attend the Creditors meeting at Earls Court?
@Erection Thrusting On P#nis Pump
Funny how you ask about the bit that WASN’T directed at you but ignore the bit that was? As I said… Spineless coward. If I was going to hit Ames then I have his address, and it certainly wouldn’t be with a feather duster.
Now f#ck off and stop wasting my time, you useless, moronic Tw@t!
I just read the scanned copy of the letter from Harlequin “requesting” payment of completion monies from a Buccament Bay purchaser.
The letter basically says that the recipients unit is now complete therefore completion monies are due now so pay up or you will forfeit your unit and we’ll take you to court for failing to comply with the contract you signed. Nice customer relations!
The letter clearly expects the purchaser to transfer money to a bank account themselves with the promise that that this will subsequently enable them to enjoy all the benefits of Title. Surely the correct procedure is for Harlequin to lodge all the completion documents (Title Deed, service contract etc) with the purchaser’s conveyancing solicitor and, once the solicitor is happy that all is in order, the purchaser’s completion monies will be transferred to Harlequin.
Surely nobody would bank transfer money directly themselves?! If you were buying a house in the US or the UK you wouldn’t expect the vendor to write directly to you asking you to pay money to their account!
@the award winning (lol) journalist Jon Austin. So JA is sitting at his PC thinking, “what can I write about today? I know Shipleys is publishing it’s report on HP, ill have a bit of that. Cut and paste a page from it and job done. In fact there are 27 pages to this report. That’s my copy sorted for the next 2 months”
Jon Austin would have been far more credible if he has unearthed this information BEFOR the report was published. That is what being a journalist is, not a copy writer.
@ChipFat36
At least Jon Austin knows who he is all the time and doesn’t mislead by pretending to be other posters. Your feeble attempts at trying to be Baywatch were laughable. And you got caught!
@Eddie Lizzard2 wrong again, there was no attempt to be BBaywatch. If you took the time to look intelligently at the posting, something you are obviously not very good at, you would see it was a send up. Lets see if you can spot the deliberate mistake? Bet you cannot.
Jon Austin is pretending to be a journalist, he’s just a copy writer. He will get credit when he comes out with an exclusive.
Chipfat…. they keep getting better!
I know, good isn’t it. It’ll be fatchip next.
What’s up your very low key?
@Fatchett doesn’t care about me.
Same old same old. Slag anybody and everybody off, but don’t talk about Harlequin or Ames or anything relevant. Total credibility loss
quote –
“BBaywatch.
June 30, 2013 at 11:11 am
@FDNRM. I would like to appologise for belittling your current employment. I admire anyone who is willing to work in order to feed and clothe his family. What’s more I am wrong to continually referr to you as 36 which I recognise as being your old ID but not your current one. Please accept my sincere appologise and good luck for. The future.
Take Ames And Fire
June 30, 2013 at 11:12 am
FDNRM, I have not belittled your current profession at any point and I have no interest in what yourself and WTF do for a living. You need to move on from worrying about little jibes and start putting your energy into retrieving your investment.
You do seem to have swerved my earlier question again though- Any news from your friend Mr Ames yet as to where the 86 million has gone? I thought he stated Buccament Bay was making a profit at the investor meetings but it appears it was propped up by investor cash instead?”
Direct response to question to FDNRM by Take Ames and Fire “You do seem to have swerved my earlier question again though”
“BBaywatch.
June 30, 2013 at 11:22 am
@TAAF you seem to be under the impression I talk or have contact with DA on a daily basis. Last time I spoke to him was over 2 months ago. I have no answers to your questions, why should I, do you? I cannot “swerve” something I no nothing about.”
I’d call that busted beyond doubt – and trying to lie your way out of it now is just pathetic. How desperate for attention do you have to be to behave like that?
@BBaywatch. What a pity you cannot tell the difference between “BBaywatch” and “BBaywatch.” Perhaps that was the posting you should have made if you were half a man.
@ericas little obsessive stalker
Who rattled your cage. Haven’t you got an overweight middle aged woman to bully.
Busted but saved by the full stop. What a joke!
@Anon 6.44 how do you know that Erica is overweight and middle aged? Have you got a photo?
Please not birdtable talk, this blog has gone to seed
@EL2 well spotted son. Exactly the same as when someone impersonated me. Were not cleaver enough to get it right. LOL
Ok the Shipley thing make grim reading, any company who has £2k in the bank, no sales and owes £million is in deep shit – agree?
The Caribbean companies will be in a similar state – so Ames has to do a deal or go bust – Stat demands won’t just go away with out being paid.
Anyone who believes otherwise is just dumb
So how do the resorts, part built and not started owe the money to Hmsse. Ames said out of deposits commission, his cut and marketing etc deducted then remainder sent to Caribbean for building.
“not cleaver enough” – you can cut that out!
That’s all Folks!
ChipFat36, I can’t imagine anyone wanting to be you.
@ Dave Ames – Please take note.
I have just read on the ‘other blog’ ask you spies.
The concept of you selling things maybe more than once, could this be true?
Maybe your sales agents who you ‘owe’ a million to and think they got a unit don’t ??
Could this be one of the reasons no one has had title?
Is this why the numbering changed?
😉
Looks like a duck…… barks like a duck!
£400 million bird seed……… sorry could not resist.
@FDNRM
If Jon Austin had done some undercover journalism and reported something that wasn’t within the public domain (and provably so) you would have jumped on him like a ton of bricks and accused him of making up stories that had no basis in fact.
He’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t in your book. You post any old pile of crud to avoid engaging with the facts as they emerge. There can be no defending this group of companies now and so you have to resort to diversionary tactics in the hope that some people will be thrown off the scent.
Can you give us your honest opinion of the contents of Shipley’s report please?
Here come the potty-mouthed pervs.
@ Lord Haw-Haw and worried investors:
This is was stated by Anthony Davidson Joint Administrator in the Shipleys report…
8.3 I should be grateful if creditors could notify me in writing should there have been any matters relating to the Company, or the Directors’ conduct, that requires further investigation as a matter of urgency.
@whatsthefuss
Believe me, I would rather take half an dozen duck eggs up the wrong un!
@EL2.
Many thanks I have done that, not sure if I can attend the meeting on the 12th or not?
@Grand Master Flash and the Furious Five (thousand)
comment sont les rideaux de boeuf
@Beggars belief, I cannot comment as I haven’t read it. Too busy frying chips for serious comment.
I would not criticise JA at all if he had come up with something new and original which could be proved. My stance on JA is the same as MOS, what was new in that article. Nothing, recycled info already in the public domain. The Echo is just down the road from HP. What stopped JA getting interviews with DA, interviewing suppliers, creditors etc to get some real background information?
The Harlequin trolls are back! Under orders no doubt from Ames to continue the bullying of housewifes and divert attention from the complete shower of s**t that he has created. Once again fellas, it’s boring and your loyalty is misguided. I suppose your just concerned for the preservation of your jobs though on the Harlequin payroll.
That’s pretty specious FDNRM. If after the devastating revelations of the last 48 hours, all you can bring yourself to do is make half arsed digs at the journalists who cover the story, there’s not much hope for your case in general. To criticise a jourmalist on the grounds that you have is cynical and desperate — and to tacitly question their integrity, whilst throwing your support behind the people you are, is pretty extraordinary.
@ETOPP, You seem to enjoy the danger of running from Joe aswell. I’m sure you lot have been paid somewhere within the murky finances of the Ames family.
I am indead an extraordinary person. You seem to forget the 1st post on the old thread by BBaywatch, and congratulation to Jon Austin for his journalism. Those who live by the sword etc etc etc. got to go deep fat fryer is on.
Now that the details of HP are public, the SFO and insolvency service should be able to act without fear of disrupting the business, as there isn’t one.
So where are they?
Now that ‘Clarks Shredding’ is another unpaid creditor, hopefully no more incriminating paperwork will be ‘lost, ‘ so now is the time to act is it not?
@fdnrm
You cannot comment on the Shipley’s report because you haven’t read it?! Are you completely moronic? You’ve got time to come on here spouting inane claptrap about Erica, BBwatch and Jon Austin but you can’t even be bothered to appraise yourself when there are real developments to pick up on. What’s up, would it have been too unpleasant a read or did it contain too many long words? You are either a liar or an imbecile. Sorry, correction, you are a liar and an imbecile.
FDNRM: In answer to your last sentence either fall on it or
jump in it.
@Anon 8.41 “liar and an imbecile” Indeed truly outstanding statement. Such intellect. . So now you are qualified to tell me what I should read and when. BBaywatch tells everyone I should be polite when serving fries. Treat someone like a twat, and they will act like a ……. Whatever
@ETOPP, so you plan to introduce yourself to Joe at the creditors meeting? Dave Ames owes you money and yet your still brainwashed by him. That just about sums up the intellegance of the Harlequin trolls.
£400 million scammed and we are having arguments online with people with no names?
What’s the point of all this?
Any ‘investors’ have been totally screwed but spent time on here to achieve, what exactly ?
I don’t know which blog has the most crazies… your all F***King nuts
@ETOPP, I think you’ll find you need to be a creditor to attend the meeting. You may have a wasted journey otherwise!
@ETOPP, Yeah right. More hot air from you…………..
Does anyone have a Harlequin purchase contract, or whatever it is called. It would be worth posting it somewhere people can download such as Dropbox.
It would be good to be able to review it and see whether the demand from Harlequin for people to complete stands up to scrutiny.
From Sept 2012 Harlequin Newsletter.. It is almost funny now , but it is not funny at all for the investors who bought this bit of PR…..or BS.
“In the early days of selling property in the Caribbean, some people said that this
was all too good to be true and that it wouldn’t happen. I feel that we have proved
them wrong as we are now in the process of handing over legal title to the
properties at Buccament Bay Resort, which is a significant step and completes the
cycle that we promised all those years ago.
We look forward to a great future for all our investors and I thank you for your
continued support.
Kind regards
Dave Ames
CHAIRMAN, HARLEQUIN HOTELS & RESORTS”
Mr Ames published that TEN months ago…..who could believe anything more he has to say?
@ yatinkiteasy
Err, FDNRM, Whatsthefuss, 36, Harlisuccess etc., etc.
I suspect you should have said “who (except those with a special deal or who are being paid by Harlequin) could believe…..”.
Handing over 150 titles out of 6000 purchases would be terrible (with 5,600 or so not even started) if true, but not even that is true. Makes it incompetent as well as fraudulent.
The ‘Special deals’ don’t exist never have.
It was just a way of winning people over or making them feel like they are special.
Its actually very cleaver, unlike the people who fell for it.
Think about it who has Ames not taken advantage of? Come on who?
When I worked stacking shelves (Ok still do 😉 ) The manager used to give out a ‘negative stock report’ for me to check …… each morning.
This strange occurrence happened when an item had been sold, but did not ‘exist or was ‘out of stock”, mainly due to the wrong barcode being scanned at the point of sale – the till.
Did Harlequin ever use the same till to sell units or do they have such a report they could pass to Shipley’s 😉
Could be interesting reading ??
Ames knows he must do some sort of deal, he still has some potty plan but, deep down he and his family know – it’s over in its current format.
He is worn out and its shows. Carol is stressed to death and not taking this well – shame!
Each day another nail in the coffin
I can’t believe there is any room left in the coffin for nails there has been so many driven into it! How do the Ames’ feel abut the prospect of prosecution? Is it ever mentioned?
Reading through the report – tedious but necessary – I notice that both LIAT and Mustique Air (which must include SVG Air Alliance) are owed reasonably large amounts. For any kind of rescue plan to have the slightest chance of working it will rely partly on the goodwill of local suppliers and their cooperation. That can of course be bought – at a price – but how dumb do you have to be in the first place to have a business which is totally reliant on airlift and then not pay the companies providing that service?
Also begs the question that if £80-90m is owed by the UK company how much do the overseas registered companies owe? No accounts of course so impossible to know for sure, but I bet the situation with them is just as bad.
Llmitb – I must have said 100 times I don’t have a special deal – thanks for confirming.
Maybe now it can be put to rest?
@BBaywatch.
You may find that there will be no rescue plan, if Ames does not give the information required to make an informed decision….. if indeed a rescue plan is viable.
However, its looking like it’s his only choice.
@whatsthefuss.
Ok clear, it was a general statment not directed at you.
Another nail….. needs killing off now…… Its in pain
http://citywire.co.uk/new-model-adviser/harlequin-investors-face-losing-400m-after-mortgage-offer-u-turn/a688768
@Erection Thrusting On P#nis Pump
Funny how you described Ames to a tee, but then again you know him so well… lover boy!
No danger of meeting you at the Creditors meeting… You won’t even ID yourself… So there is no chance of you turning up… Gutless tw@t!
A contact that may be useful.
10 Orange Street , Haymarket
London WC2H 7DQ
DX – 40001 Covent Garden
T + 44 (0 ) 20 7766 8560
F + 44 (0 ) 20 7312 0022
E advice@shipleys.com
www. shipleys .com
Our Ref: APD/5 1 688B/GAM/C49/SD
Please call: Grant Meadows
E : meadowsg@shipleys.com
Conned/ Phoney Soprano/ Macaroni – if I go to the creditors meeting or not, it’s not dependent on you being there / don’t flatter yourself.
Your a keyboard warrior with no balls, all talk no trousers, your a yappy poodle!
Big and tough your about as strong as Roy Castles last gasp!
Now run along you window licker!
All,
Citywire Article – click on the link
98% of people surveyed by us need a mortgage to complete.
Everyone has seen the “100% Finance” documents. Most people relied on them. Harlequin now say they were not to be relied on.
However, Harlequin now say that this was “subject to status”. Does that mean they or your adviser checked your status when you signed up ? We doubt it.
Therefore, you were “advised” to enter a contract which you could never complete (as you did not have the balancing payment -70% or the closing costs – approx. 8%). No wonder agents and IFA’s who sold this are “disappearing” from view. They know that they sold investors something which was almost guaranteed to fail from outset.
What should have happened is that investors should have checked your status for a mortgage. If they had, the vast majority of investors would not have qualified (due to the stringent nature of Caribbean mortgages). You would have felt a little silly as being rejected. However, you would have had your money today.
For those who re-mortgaged to invest, all you have done is give Harlequin money to pay commissions, management charges and a fraction of the contracted building.
Read the linked article. Harlequin say that those who cannot get a mortgage can defer their completion. Until what ? they win the Lottery, inherit some money ?
The Harlequin process neatly takes an investor into breach of contract if they cannot complete. That means 98% of people face a similar fate. Of the £400m, £392m (98%) needs a mortgage to complete. Does that mean that Harlequin Property can forfeit all these deposits as and when completions come and go ?
Investors should be furious with this. However, many are still romanced by the agents / IFA’s (who took up to 15% commission and gave such poor advice) and the Harlequin apologists who still view the whole idea as sound.
Conclusion
We are reaching the moment when 98% of investors will realise what their fate is.
Mr Ames needs to consider this when deciding whether to work with investors on a rescue plan.
Regulatory Legal Solicitors
He is more of a fool than I think he is if he won’t literally take this ‘get out of jail free card!!’
But, he is pretty stupid……. maybe Erica’s idea of Wonga loans is bettrer
😉
So, the little Tw*t is now saying its our fault.
He will keep all our deposits because we are peasants and can’t raise the finance…………. not his fault.
That’s about the level of it?
Bottom line is that many investors are simply thick and were greedy. Ames has exploited this sentiment.
The advisers have little training and simply need to flash the pictures of sunny beaches.
A sad tale with Ames about to pocket £400m for a half built series of developments.
Stupidity beyond belief.
Investors lack backbone. They will blog and whine, while Ames strings this out.
The Bird Table episode says all you need to know about the intelligence of some investors.
It is painful to watch.
FDNRM any comment on the information regarding completion mortgages (or rather lack thereof) — and the obligation on purchasers to find it themselves or risk losing their deposits?
He of course could dump the whole thing and do a pre-pack liquidation and I include the Caribbean in that.
So, Basildon debt free and all you lot have built ‘his’ resort, hide behind some complex off -shore set up???
I am not saying he will but its looking like an option.
Funny how the Harlequin cage is totally quiet considering Shipley’s report!
No official defensive statements saying it was someone else’s fault or blaming us purchasers, or it’s all because of Erica or “we never meant to mean guaranteed mortgages”?
No defence of BB saying its won another award this week?
No updates as promised on the non-existent “rescue package”.
Is it the calm after the “perfect storm” or is it the realisation that the charade is finally over and no further bulls#it will wash?
Various travel companies who were promoting BB & Blu were named as creditors, so its doubtful they will continue promotion.
No promotion = even less visitors.
Sad to say, but it’s GAME OVER all round!
To Ames, his family, his cronies, trolls, supporters, agents and greedy IFA’s, you have ruined a lot of peoples lives lining your own pockets…
Scum… the lot of you!
@UP non whatsoever. Iv paid for my property so it does not concern me. However you should know that so why ask the question.
@The import of the word?
I will lose my worldly possessions, if goes wrong.
Have you anything to communicate
@FDRM
You know Dave Ames will shit on you and not think twice don’t you?
@Leaky Leaky, he could do that but would be skating on even thinner ice than he is now. And Shipleys would need to play a part which I doubt they’d do if it’s as dodgy as it sounds. It’s time to start facing facts now that real acts are available for the first time. Everything will unravel now revealing the truth behind where the money has gone and how much is left which I expect will be very embarrassing for Ames. The fact that people like FDNRM (who changes his name more often than the artist formally known as Prince. Maybe FDNRM could have his own symbol?) still seem to be ok with the situation despite the recent reports completely exposes that they are not true investors like the rest of us, or they are happy to walk away from their investments without a care…..which they obviously wouldn’t.
But FDNRM by the same logic it shouldn’t concern you what Crozier and the rest of them get up to — and yet it still seems to.
Anonymous
July 2, 2013 at 12:38 pm
That did give me a laugh 😉
Maybe, lets all refer to him a ‘Fiddle’ (formally known as FDNRM)
Fiddle it is 🙂
I prefer TAFKAFDNRM
What a bunch of trolls. Where is the Yatinkiteasy clogg up the forum police when you need him?
@anon 12.38 that’s an original ID, how many Anonymous postings do you make? Can you justify your statement that I am not a “true” investor. Can you prove that? No just rubbish posting again.
@Suspicious old shelf stacker. I would not admitt to a meanial job if I were you. The superior BBaywatch who works in PR and hospitality, will be making sure you tug your forelock when superior beings pass by.
It’s a good point though FDNRM. If you really have got your own money tied up in HP you must be as worried as the rest of us?
How are the libel cases going for you, FDNRM? I seem to remember you stating you might sue the arse off someone. They must be shaking in their boots.
@Anon, now which anonymous are you now. Try thinking up an identity or is that too taxing for you?
FDNRM, if you answered some of the questions people would leave you alone.
@‘Fiddle’ (formally known as FDNRM)
How many times has your unit been sold 😉
@ Tubal Cain
I do have something to communicate
@FDNRM
If you have title can you come to our new office and show it to me ?
Last time was quite easy. How about this time ?
It will shut people up I can confirm to them you do indeed have title.
FDNRM has not got title. He has something much more valuable – Dave Ames’s word ….
Gareth, I think you need to address FDNRM as ‘The Artist’ which covers his many pseudonyms. It saves a lot of time and confusion.
@Shibbo, and a handshake. Don’t forget the handshake. A handshake from Ames is as good as any contract.
@Sid
Still a cautious approach is better……
I don’t think Mr Ames word is his bond!
What has Ames ever done to anyone that would cause you to doubt him? Go on, name one thing……
@ FDNRM ‘The artist’
When you visit Mr Hatchets new office make sure you are truly prepared and take your title document.
Its impossible to name only one
Keeping on with the theme, on the other blog formally known as Erica’s someone……. has written to Shipley’s asking to confirm that they have checked units have not been sold ‘twice’ by errm error 😉
As ‘suspicious old shelf stacker’ mentioned earlier……… I hope they look at that………
That is interesting. Doing the math, in BB how many units were planned to be built and how many buyers? If more units were sold than planned, even if the unit numbers were changed they were still sold more than once. Is that fraud? But if Shipleys are only looking at HMSSE will they have access to SVG files?
@Sid.
My unit was ready in BB December 2012, I half joked that one of the other ‘investors’ from say Dominican Republic may now have it……… therefor, I could have a refund……
I am sure its happened with banking errors and that nasty Irish builder, they just got a bit confused.
But it does need looking at? Would you really be suprised?
This is the person who has been emailed at Shipleys
meadowsg@shipleys.com
Caution is my watchword.
I have a fear that Dave may have sold a few units a few times.
That can happen when you need more cash.
@Sid, I have no intention of answering questions that you or anyone else throw out onto this forum. If you want to enter into a serious dialog then fine. The ” Artist” does not cut it so don’t bother asking.
@FDNRM, You want to be taken seriously? Does that mean you are going to cast aside your multiple user names?
FDNRM, if title and the joint administrators’ report don’t enter into your serious debate, what does??
Does that mean people will stop taking the piss about my £ 7 an hour job?
The fake FDNRM is back. The one with the dot!
Maybe there is something in it???
All,
Who bought what at Buccament Bay ?
Last week we did a survey for investor who had bought one Phase 1 & 2 at Buccament Bay.
https://app.icontact.com/icp/sub/survey/start?token=0bba79bba257da27fa3f2b958e863548&sid=303324&cid=152652 – click to complete the survey
We asked them a few questions about their unit number etc. What we found is that the numbering appeared to change every few years.
For example you may have bought Cabana number (for example) “109” in 2007 and it then becomes “2005” later.
This cross referencing process needs to be done to understand what property has been sold, to who etc. This is particularly the case when completions are being demanded with threats of forfeiture of deposit backing them up.
Can you help us ?
Enclosed is a map and a spreadsheet which give a 2012 plot of the land. Phase 1 & 2 people should be able to physically spot their Cabana easily. The map is quite clear.
Can you email the number of your unit to gareth.fatchett@regulatorylegal.co.uk so our team can compile the data.
Buccament Bay Number Spreadsheet – click on link
BBR 2012 Map – click on link
Why is this important ?
When we first looked at this project we were told in no uncertain terms to “go away”. We are made of stronger stuff and we got stuck into the land titles, the accounts and the way the mortgages were sold.
With your help we know :-
– no title to land has ever vested in Buccament Bay Resort Limited
– title to land for Buccament Bay was only formally transferred into Harlequin Property (SVG) Limited in January 2009. Other parcels remain unregistered to this very day.
– no investor has received title to any land.
– no investor has received a “Guaranteed Mortgage”
– approx. £400m has been invested.
– That the accounting in the Caribbean is woeful with little visibility of the position of the Harlequin group of companies. Having seen the Shipleys report, we know have half the picture. The other half in our opinion will probably be equally ugly.
The final piece of the jigsaw is to understand the numbering on the sales and why they kept changing.
Help us to help you. As always, the results and our recommendations will be published.
Regulatory Legal Solicitors
To the real FDNRM, you don’t need to answer any questions if you don’t want to, that’s your prerogative. But, c’mon, something isn’t right somewhere. You must be bricking it if you really do have your money tied up in HP, I know I am. If you’re not, despite the recent report, and continue to keep faith in Ames, I can only imagine you are in some kind of KP cult (I said cult) and will follow Ames until the end. I like you and just don’t want hear that you drank his Kool-Aid!
I’m definitely not going to the next investor meeting. I hear it’s being held in Waco.
@Sid.
Have you seen the recent RL report, I just tried to post it but it’s been given the 3rd degree my the moderators.
Its about the potential for ….. over selling units!! imagine FNDRM may be a fractional owner of his own cabana……with Erica 😉
Come on FDNRM listen to Shibo unleth you really are a silly silly man
Fryingtonite36 has seen his cabana at BB. Whether he is the sole owner of said unit no one knows including him. He is totally unconcerned about the Shipleys report; his smugness and conceit remain breathtaking. Being a ‘man of property’ one wonders why he has to take a job paying £7 per hour. One also wonders why he had preferential treatment from Harlequin.
In his own words:
“I am happy with my investment, apart from the .1% of investors who want to bring it down. I have been receiving my rental as per my contract, I have received compensation for late delivery, as per my contract and I decided to cancel my 2 Rivers contract and received compensation, as per my contract.
‘I will tell you what I am not happy about. After Wilkins Kennedy stopped being HP accountants they still had records which included investor details. When a section 2 was applied by the SFO, my information became known to the SFO. This is why I was one of the first investors to be interviewed. I had no objection being interviewed by the SFO, but it made my wife very ill. I would have preferred my cooperation had been at my instigation. By the way I did not say I had taken delivery in the legal sense.
‘I had an apartment at 2 Rivers and a Cabana at BB. It was the 2 Rivers which was refunded.
‘The only thing I would say is that there are aprox 3500 investors, so there are a large majority who don’t come on here, some of those could also be happy, but I could not resume to speak for them.
‘I assume you are not the other anonymous prat) My cabana is one of the 300 completed, but I have not taken legal title yet.
‘I really don’t want to go into all my personal details here. However very basically I originally bought my cabana in 2006, the resort [BB] was opened aprox 2 years ago which included my property. I was offered to complete the legal process before Christmas which has not been completed yet.” [as at 12 Mar 2013]. FDNRM36sportingmad and impersonator of many aka Diary of a Nobody.
So you see – all you have to do is sit down with Dave to have a nice chat and everything will be fine.
@Sid, and now you know why I am reluctant to answer questions or enter into dialog. EL2 is an idiot. I have not said I am unconcerned about the Shipleys report, I said I had not read it when I was asked. I’m not sure what a “man of property” is. I ‘ ll tell you what Laddie Pissard 2 (easy this isn’t it) just make it up as you want. You now look totally stupid for taking endless time searching through past threads to get old posts, prefixed by a complete inaccurate load of bollocks. Get a life for the sake of your health you moron.
“Where the battle rages, there the loyalty of the soldier is proved.”
”When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth”
So, when Mr Fatchett gets the information on the unit numbers and cross checks the information – we will have our answers.
Where you hide a twig Mr Watson? In a forest Mr Holmes….. 😉
Actually 36 it took me a minute. I was curious about the Unallocated Investors deposits in the Shipleys report regarding Harlequin – Jamaica, Suspense payments and Ravenswood totalling £146.598.81 (and due to related parties). I googled Ravenswood and there were your posts right underneath it.
FYI: Ravenswood was a Harlequin development in Australia that was due to be completed in 2010. http://www.emigrate2.co.uk/article/homes_and_relocation_detail-123/
apparently the staff have gone on strike at bb because they havnt been paid any back up for this story?
pissard2 Well I just googled Ravenswood and I do not have a clue what you are talking about. Some hotel in Torquay.
@AS
I can pick up several radio stations on St Vincent. NBC says the
next newscast is at 12:am Island Time. Does anyone know of a station
that gives news during the day or on the hour?
Big question – what the the guests at a five-star resort do when
no one is around to wait on them?
36, Then you had better make yourself better informed hadn’t you because it concerns your investment!
Try ravenswood and harlequin
Pissard2 no ill just leave to you to trawl about looking for some other posts you can drag up. Off down the pub. Tootle pip old chap.
Today July the 2nd all Buccament Bay staff didn’t get paid, we are talking about over 300 people, what else to say?
@Sanjat What would be the best SVG radio station to get the local
news? i-witness-news has nothing
Is it true? Could be BS
Thank God WTF and all his alias have shut up. Maybe, he has not been paid or finally decided Ames has shafted him too……….
I detect a certain finality to this whole sorry mess, anyone else feel the same? Especially in the Basildon area?
Dave, any comment 😉
To: A A Haiku
The metallic clang
Of the steel door as it shut
forever and more
@Fdnrm . 8 posts today….saying nothing ….clogging again, well done! You go to the head of the class. Your employer will be well pleased.
Yat – What do your connections in SVG say about BB rumors
today…..if anything
Perplexed …will check tomorrow …my main contact asleep already .
Interesting update looking at the Regulatory Legal mortgage survey (note the comments from Harlequin) and the news demands requesting immediate completion are being sent to investors, despite the FCA’s warning to “proceed with caution”.
http://www.investmentsense.co.uk/harlequin-property-update-investors-face-up-to-forfeiting-deposits/
@”one eyed” Yatinkiteasy. And 21 posts were ABOUT me. Including pissard2 rendition of war and peace. Now in order to appear a fair (don’t make me laugh) person how about having a go at those who clog up the forum. Go you know you want to.
Why defend Harlequin?
I am genuinely interested in this question, even though Ames has shafted his loyal followers, staff, IFA’s, legal team, security, investors! etc there is still a small deluded? arrogant? stupid? simple? fraction that still insist on defending him…… why?
This puzzles me, greatly.
They must have been promised a special deal or been getting paid? – I don’t believe anyone faced with overwhelming evidence thinks he will pull this off.
Confused………..
These oversold units, what a laugh if the TaylorMade beach front villa that was given to them, was owned by FDNRM….. formally known as piddle……. lots of data being collated now 😉
Maybe, all you HP sales agents that ‘own’ units don’t actually own anything!!
There is a God!
Time will tell SOSS but it’s looking more and more like it’s been a web of lies from the start. The net is definitely closing in now.
http://epaper.barbadostoday.bb
not looking good for Bim
Yesterday I emailed i-witness-news in SVG asking if they had an
update on a general strike at BB. They replied at 6:am …..
“we have no information to that effect” – so I assume it was an
unfounded rumor.
@ Harlequin Staff. 😉
This over selling of units, proof coming out very very soon!
You may want to start talking before your fully implicated, don’t stick your neck out for uncle Dave, he has shafted everyone else why should you be any different?
SFO starting to have a sniff about, no doubt.
@James Allington, yes a whole 292 responded to the survey. Less than 10% of the total number of investors. Very representative.
@ Katharine Manderfield – Network sales director Harlequin
How many units did YOU say YOU had invested in? Seven, from memory (when you were showing off.)
Now I wonder if that’s actually true?…….. This will be very interesting.
Maybe you got them in return for something 😉
Or in return for NOT saying something???
Dave whilst you are away is laying lots of blame at your door ;(
@Fdnrm. You proved my point . Not only do you clog up the thread with crap, but you succeed in getting so many comments ABOUT YOU. This diverts attention from the subject …Harlequin and David Ames. Well done, you are a clever little boy.
@FDNRM truly pathetic,
If you think Ames will look after you and shaft that list of creditors – you truly deserve it.
@ FDNRM
You are totally discredited and fully exposed. Good riddance to you.
@DownTheChippy36 FDNRM More than 250 Harlequin investors find themselves in a precarious financial position. Do you have sensible comment on the following? Does it still not concern you?
98% of investors [of 292 polled] would have been unable to complete without mortgage finance.
95% of investors were not aware that failure to complete, by not paying the additional 70% of the purchase price, could lead to their deposit being lost.
96% of investor respondents relied on the finance being “guaranteed” .
99% of respondents disagree that the “100% Finance Scheme” was merely an advertisement and not a promise.
There once was a doctor named Freud
Who said FDNRM is truly schizoid
“I really don’t have to mention
That he needfully craves attention”
Even though his BB contract is null & void
98%
95%
96%
99%
Need anyone say more?
@FDNRM.
Your mate has had ya pants down, you have been well any truly buggered. Save what little dignity you have and turn on your ‘mate’…..
He has had you over big time 🙂
There is of course the possibility that FDNRM knows something we don’t.
@Yatinkiteasy, 7 postings ABOUT me so far today. Feeling a bit jealous yet? Lets see if the trolls can beat yesterday’s total of 21. GO TROLLS GO!!
Sid The chances of that are somewhere in the region of-
98%-95%-96%-99% …not happening
@Sid, yes that is a certainty, having never been ‘taken up the tail pipe’ 😉
FDNRM you do understand that your failure to engage with any of the salient issues of the last 72 hours, but to concentrate on strange little details about the structure of conversations on the board, puts pay to any credibility that you may have ever had don’t you? The fact that you “didn’t have time” to read the administrator’s report says everything that needs to be said about the integrity of your position. You should read it. Might be a good time to reconsider your opinions on legal help — Fatchet might not represent you, but if what you have said is true then somebody definitely should.
It’s gone very quiet on here hasn’t it? There don’t seem to be any pro HP noises being made.
@UP. I’m sorry I did not realise that my credibility depended on doing things when you thought I should. Just because my world did not stop to read a report then credibility has gone? Do you really think I care what other people think about my credibility? I posted 7 times yesterday, others posted 21 times about me. And you think that I did not engage with the salient issues? I suggest you read the posts of the last 24 hours and decide who writes the most rubbish on here. For instance Eddie Pissard2 cut and paste something I wrote some time ago, and prefixes it with complete and utter inaccurate bollox. Perhaps you would like to comment on his credibility and not making ” salient comments? ”
By the way I have read the report, all 76 pages and have absolutely no comment to make, so don’t ask.
It’s unlike you 36 to not have an answer. You’re usually full of it.
@Pisshead2 Answer to what? a 76 page report? Grow up you idiot. Do you think I am some sort of forensic accountant? Ah well ANOTHER post about me. On target to bet the 21 by the troll. @Yatinkiteasy, have a word!
There you go something else for you to commentb on. Off you go!
Oops 36, you forgot to change your name back again. You keep forgetting who you are these days don’t you? I was referring to the poll undertaken by RL of anxious Harlequin investors that you scornfully dismissed as “… yes a whole 292 responded to the survey. Less than 10% of the total number of investors. Very representative.”
No Pisshead2 you keep forgetting who I am by refferring to me as 36. Any comment regarding the total bollox you prefixed you war and peace posting where you got everything totally wrong? No I guess not, too clever to make mistakes arent we.
36FDNRMSportingMan
Rather than comment on how many hits your fanboi rating has had or which names people should address you by; I ask you again, do you have any sensible comment on the result of the poll carried out by RL?
@laddie pissard2 RL have 1100? at least people they are representing. of those 292 answered the survey. They cannot even get their own people to fill in a survey. That says everything to me. up to 11 now.
Stop evading and answer the question! Nearly 300 Harlequin investors find themselves facing financial ruin. Does it not concern you?
@FDNRM (but needs to)
You are a very sad, deluded individual, Dave will shit on you and you will feel very sill indeed.
Back to the real world, no finance, no CVA, no completions, no £400 million,
no building.
same old same old, but Buccament bay has an award
36 IS FDNRM by his own admission (after having been caught by BFP) so I don`t see why the poor conned boy is so upset when people refer to him as 36…still the same idiot.
TO ALL HARLEQUIN STAFF – please take note. 😉
On the 12th you will find out, if not before, what Shipley’s decide to do with your jobs.
No doubt uncle Dave is telling you all will be okay and there will be a CVA – this is not true…. the clock is ticking…….
It’s not up to Stumpy, its Shipley’s and they wont agree to a CVA unless investors are onside.
So, the ironony of this is that the very ones you have vilified and treated like shit, you need them to support you!!
Oh, my belly aches after laughing at FDNRM/36/Sportingman’s posts.
My favourite is that you need to be a forensic accountant to read the administrator’s report and deduce that:
1. HMSSE is bust.
2. Investors are owed nothing from HMSSE since they are in contract with the Harlequin Caribbean companies.
3. The Harlequin Caribbean companies owe HMSSE £84m
4. The HMSSE administrators will call in the debt from the Caribbean companies (as I understand it, they are legally obliged to do exactly that)
5. The Caribbean companies don’t have a pot to piss in so will fold
6. Investors are up poo poo creak and won’t see a penny of their investments returned
Still, let’s all hope for a fairy tale ending where Ames and all his little helpers end up behind bars.
@Yatinkiteasy, now carry out a forensic search of BFF. I was not “caught out” by BFP as you have inaccurately quoted, I volunteered to change my ID due to the fact that FATCHETT DOES DOT REPRESENT ME and I publicly announced this change. Do you understand? Your stupid post is clogging up this forum!!
@Anon RU, my resident stalker. Not heard from you for a long time.
Lets just ignore FDNRM (but should) they he can go and drink his box of wine, or is it Turbo cider?
16 and counting!
17!
FDNRM 36 Sportingcodnchips
You wanna try some Jeyes Fluid for that clogged drain problem of yours.
@Anon 7.23, some one with a sensible suggestion for once.
Anyone know how the SFO investigation is going at the mo? I suggest you concentrate on that angle, that could be the real story!
@Anon RU, it does go to show that you cannot read reports forensically. Let me ask you a question, what if the Caribbean companies CAN repay the £84m?
1. HMSSE is bust.
2. Investors are owed nothing from HMSSE since they are in contract with the Harlequin Caribbean companies.
3. The Harlequin Caribbean companies owe HMSSE £84m
4. The HMSSE administrators will call in the debt from the Caribbean companies (as I understand it, they are legally obliged to do exactly that)
5. The Caribbean companies don’t have a pot to piss in so will fold
6. Investors are up poo poo creak and won’t see a penny of their investments returned
Brilliant, FDNRM, if the Caribbean companies can repay HMSSE the £84m (I’ll humour you for the sake of balanced debate), then that creates the following scenario:
1. HMSSE calls in the £84m debt from the H Caribbean companies and that debt is repaid. (Why companies in the same group couldn’t talk to each other and arrange the balance sheet transfers between themselves is anyone’s guess! Must be Company Act stuff that will all come out in the wash I guess. Maybe Dave Ames could explain? Maybe not!)
2. Those 137-300 investors whose units have been completed at BB will have to pay the remaining 70% immediately or face legal action from the developer or forfeit their deposits.
3. Investors in other developments will need to wait. Wait for what? I don’t know the answer to that.
Do you see any other outcomes FDNRM, or could you elaborate on/change what I think might happen? It’s a bit of a buggers’ muddle if the likely scenario doesn’t materialise.
Blimey, I forgot – I blame it on Murray’s victory and my spontaneous, unplanned celebration!
The other thing to bear in mind is that if the Caribbean companies can afford to pay back HMSSE the £84m, and they do so, then the existing and pre-existing claims and statutory orders stand.
There are criminal prosecutions against HMSSE for fraud as well as the straight forward, non-applicable breach of contract stuff (non-applicable breach of contract because investors were in contract with Dave Ames’ Caribbean companies under Caribbean jurisdiction).
FDNRM – Caribbean companies repaying the £86m seems as likely as you having land title.
All,
Where is your Buccament Bay Property ?
We have had mass confusion today as many client could not find the property (by reference to their contract number) on the Buccament Bay survey maps.
If you have not emailed your Buccament Bay property number then please send it gareth.fatchett@regulatorylegal.co.uk . We have maps across the last 6 years which seem to change numbering all the time.
It is a painstaking job, but we will build a picture of who was sold what at Buccament Bay.
How many properties did Harlequin (HMSSE) “give” to agents / IFA’s in lieu of commission ?
One of the consistent themes we have is that agents were “given” properties on Phase 1 in lieu of commission. We are checking this out to see whether this is the case.
“Special Deals”
A handful of investors believe that they have “special deals” sanctioned by Mr Ames. As none of them have title to anything, this is a surprise.
Investors thinking they have a “special deal”, prepare for disappointment. Any preferences can be (and probably will be) set aside if a liquidation happens.
CVA ?
Without a CVA, HMSSE will enter liquidation. At that point, the whole group is at risk. What will gall investors is that the main beneficiaries of any CVA would be the Ames controlled Caribbean companies and the IFA’s / Agents who “advised” on this investment. This would not be acceptable to many investors. As part of any CVA it is likely that investors would ask agents to waive any dividend under the CVA.
If not, then why should investors agreeing a process to give the Caribbean companies time to pay HMSSE (which would then return money to agents / IFA and about £1m to internal Harlequin sales staff).
Where do you stand ?
We are considering running an investor legal surgery. Are you interested in understanding where you stand ? Call Phil Haslam on 01384 889900.
Statutory Demands
The best way to reclaim your deposit if your contract is beyond completion is via this process. For more information, please contact Martyn Anderson on 01384 889900.
Barbados Today
The Barbados Today publication CLICK ON LINK reports creditors having problems in Barbados. Worth a look as it shows the comments coming from the independent press in the Caribbean.
@Anon RU, You see it is possible to have a serious debate without name calling. Long may it continue. Lets hope Murray wins then. One question though, what are the criminal prosecutions against HMSSE for fraud?.
@Shibo
You will have FDNRM (but should do) spitting his White lightening turbo cider out!
@Le grand architecte, des Caraïbes, Can you confirm if you are RL, If you are then why not post as being so? What do you class as a “special deal” Also where is the link?
@FDNRM (but needs too)
I am most certainly not RL, you paranoid old twit 😉 get back to your turbo juice and shut up!
vous vieille chèvre ivre
@Leth/Shibo well the post above from RL? seems to give some creedance to the idea that the Caribbean companies could pay HMSSE and has got RL in a bit of a panic.
I couldn’t find my unit on the RL list. I was sold unit 5103. No such unit exists! At least I don’t have to worry about co-ownership.
@LGADC, sorry you are just a mouth piece, my mistake.
@Anon, mine is number 23 which changed to 34 so believe me you are a long way behind me in the build plan.
FDNRM – lol….you were just called “you old drunk goat’s milk cheese”
Probably the nicest thing you’ve been called in a long while…
Looks like FDRM34 (but deffo needs to) is getting a teeny bit twitchy but as usual cares only about his own investment. FYI both Phil Haslam and Martyn Anderson work for Regulatory Legal Solicitors. Who ya gonna call?
@Yatinkiteasy…..were you able to contact anyone at BB. The
other blog is “confirming” something happened.
Anonymous 10:55pm
I also asked one of my contacts today about BB and they said they hadn’t heard anything but would get back to me. I’ll post if I get any news. It’s not looking at all good for the locals is it?
EL2 – It seems the locals are the unrecognized victims in this
entire mess. You can get into a really existential argument
about who has done what to whom. But the end result is that
David Ames has screwed over a bunch of people.
Sorry my contact is in NYC for a week so I have no news from SVG
What a sad sad world it is while people such as the ones who run HP exist on this planet. Our own greed is only surpassed by the greed of people such as DA and he is obvicously a damn sight more clever
If the rescue plan was a real option, and was not ran by crooks then maybe the governments would be more inclined to help?
Pause for a moment FDNRM.
When this all goes wrong, or a rescue plan, any dirty little deal you have will stop….. let me explain.
If it goes bust you are unimportant to Ames (if indeed you ever were) if its ran by investors, you under-the-table deal won’t be allowed to happen.
Do you understand now?
More of the same.
http://www.bridgingandcommercialdistributor.co.uk/newsstory?id=653&type=newsfeature&title=failed_property_scheme_could_cost_investors_400m
@ Erica Broughton.
Can you please give an update regarding the Police investigation and the ‘Proof’ that a PI was following you and looking over your fence?
@FDNRM.
It is game over, you need a new pastime.
Faut péter dans l’eau pour faire des bulles
@awhaddwa. I suggest you pause for a moment, or longer. Will you explain what dirty little deal you think I have with DA. This is we all can understand. Facts facts facts!
@Laddie pisshead2, you have not admitted the complete bollox you posted the other day. Too BIG to admit you were wrong?
oh here we go an ames disciple trying to destroy a semi sensible thread with the magnum pi incident …..ok wank shaft read the shipleys report he admits to paying or rather owing an investigations company so go and feck yourself !!!!!
Ok, how’s this FDNRM ( but should)
You got your first refund (eventually) less £6k you seemed happy with that!!
You got your ‘return’ albeit never getting title,……. then they stopped….just like all the rest – your not a special case.
So, the deal was you continue to support Ames and he will ‘sort you out’ regardless of what happens to HP for your continued disruption and support.
But when it goes bust why would he? It’s flawed logic.
The only other answer is that you are insane and need to be locked up.
If you defend this you are insane, so don’t bother 😉
@andrew shipley
Whilst I agree with you, are you aware of what a Capital letter is?
FDNRM34 You wrote it it not me. All I did was cut and paste the words you had written in previous posts.
What if you had invested everything you have in HP knowing that if it did fail you would be ruined. Maybe if you were in that position you would be over optimistic in the hope that things work out despite the facts cos the alternative is unbearable. Maybe that’s the position FDNRM finds himself in?
@Sid
If that’s the case, its very sad. It’s won’t ruin me but I won’t let Ames get away with it.
However, would not that want you to fight Ames not support him?
@LT, I would yes, but we’re all different I suppose.
@AWHADDWA. Let me explain this to you by slowly as you obviously have a problem understanding things.
1 my return was less £6k which was the interest deducted for these posit repayments as per my contract. You do understand what a contract is dont you?
2 you assume my return has stopped?
You see you really are talking through your arse. You know nothing and presume everything. FACTS!
@lazypisshead2 Wrong, I did not say I was “a man of property” and I did not say ” I was not concerned about the Shipleys report” I said I had not had the time to read it when asked, and I only own one property, the house I live in. Now admit what you posted was incorrect and made up!
@Yankiteasy, don’t go hiding on other threads, still waiting for your appology regarding BFP “finding” my change of ID from 36 to Fatchett does not represent me. More made up misinformation from you.
With respect FDNRM you are fairly selective in the “facts” that you relate — and what you chose to confirm or comment on and what you don’t — which means that the picture remains fairly murky.
You should appreciate too that there is an extraordinary irony to making comments like “more made up misinformation” given the firm that you are trying to support or absolve. Trying to suggest that contracts are something that are unbreakable is probably not particularly wise for similar reasons.
What, contracts are unbreakable? That’s great news, I’ll be ok then!
@FDNRM..you are beyond boring now.No one cares who you were or what you have or have not. No one cares why you changed your ID. I may have gotten it wrong that BFP caught you..I must have been thinking of the other Harlequin clown Harisuccess and others who used multiple IDs, and were even having conversations with themselves.
My “made up misinformation” included reports on the lack of building activity months ago at H and Merricks. Turned out to be true , didnt it?
Another bit of “misinformation”…Harlequin owes millions in Barbados and no one can find them.
One more bit of misinformation, this one just for you ,my dear fact checker…no investor has received legal title at BB as of today,July 4th 2013.
Now you are telling me that I am not to post on other threads…you are truly a comedian!
@FDNRM nobody assumed your return had stopped. You said it. Several times.
Would you like EddieLizzard2 to refresh your memory again?
We’d love to hear your opinion on the Shipley’s report. You’ve been very vocal on every subject except this one. It does seem odd that chips are suddenly more important to you.
@FDNRM
And if your payments are up to date, your sniveling Dave Ames arse licking is working – for you! So keep it up or they will stop!!!!
http://www.moneymarketing.co.uk/investments/legal-advice-sought-over-harlequin-investor-claims/1073707.article
This won’t be intresting to FDNRM ( but should)
@keep the story straight. Stop making up lies. I have not said ANYWHERE that they have. I challenge you to trawl through these threads and where I have said that. Get Pissard2 on the job. You are a lier!, if you want an opinion on the Shipleys report, you get jack shit for used computer equipment. Good enough.
@yankiteasy, if no one cares, STOP MAKING UP LIES. If it is not important then don’t post lies!!
Don’t try and cover up by posting your successes as a diversion.
@ Loony tunes. No doubt someone will make a stupid comment regarding the fact I have made no comment on this.
@FDNRM to the best of my knowledge you neither confirmed nor denied it, hence the assumption. Are you confirming that you are receiving it now?
Hello Harlequin staff,
Not long now until you find out if you have a job, day -8
Take no notice of uncle Dave and aunt Carol, they don’t figure in the outcome.
There is only 2 possible options;
1 Liquidation and you are all out of a job
2 A rescue package and some of you get to keep the jobs, if you are lucky.
Shipley’s will be so squeaky clean they will be beyond reproach.
RED ALERT! RED ALERT !!!!!
I-witness-news.com is now reporting BB electricity cut-off
its not
llmitb are you a double mole?
Why is it being reported it is if it isn’t?
http://www.iwnsvg.com/2013/07/04/manager-refuses-to-see-media-amidst-reports-that-electricity-supply-to-buccament-bay-resort-is-disconnected/
@Leaky, so are you saying this story is fiction?
@UP everything you are so interested in is in the public domain. Don’t be lazy, look for it.
In the interest of openness could you confirm the following.
1 do you have a property
2 which resort
3 Have you paid for it
4 how much
5 do you work
6 how much do you get paid
7 how old how.
I’m sure you won’t mind sharing this info
Ta
I am just ‘a’ leaky leaky mole with information about Harlequin, I am not the only one – that you can be certain on – this is my leaky area 😉
Most of the office are leaky, I am talking, senior leaky moles ……. very leaky
Amazing that even Gonsalves isn’t backing them in the article.
I’m sure the TA reviews will still be glowing.
LLMITB – I bet even senior staff members are deciding to co-operate with the authorities in the hope that it may help keep them out of deep water.
Squeaky bum time as the net closes in …
Squeaky Squeaky Mole. I like it 🙂
@FDNRM, You replied to Sid twice and to others confirming that you had not received your cheques, would it be fair to say they ‘stopped’ coming?
So now you’re changing tack in your defence of the indefensible. Are you now saying Uncle Dave is still paying you from his loss making investment scam/Ponzi scheme?
@KTSS I suggest you put both those denials on here now.
Erica’s on holiday? Bet the police have breathed a big sigh of relief. Reported crime numbers will have dropped no end.
8 days and counting – like a reverse advent calendar. Boom
@FDNRM, Either your memory is failing you, or you are more than one person and aren’t aware of what the other has written. I suspect the latter.
The original 36/FDNRM (although deluded) was polite and didn’t indulge in name calling, profanity, or multiple IDs. The current FDNRM embraces all of the above, often In the same post.
Things are getting desperate for you folks at HP now huh?
Was that following Fatchetts meeting with the SFO?
@Ericas
Not a chance. Boom
@ktss the previous FDNRM did not have such a huge following and fan base. Over 40 posts about me in 2 days. Might start my own Facebook page. Now put up the posts you are referring to. I have decided that my followers, perhaps even deciples, prefer my new style, why even Anon RU has joined my followers with humble postings and words of wisdom.
Where are the posts you referr to???
Good grief! On top of all the other psychotic neuroses that FDNRM
is certified to possess we can now add a Messiah complex. The
man is amazing….the poor little burger flipper who would’nt quit.
@KTSS common mate, how long does it take to find a couple of posts. Get Laddie pisshead2 on the job. He loves trawling through a couple of thousand posts.
Good point. Where is the Red Button Girl. Has she been told to pay for her unit in full or lose her deposit. TICK TOCK the clock is ticking LOL
@the new FDNRM, You are someone else, you agressive style is totally out of character. Did you buy the rights to the FDNRM name? Is this the FDNRM franchise now? Is that part of the deal? HP gets to use the ID , the old FDNRM gets a deal?
@KTSS and your two posts are? Where exactly? Stop trying to change the subject. Proof?
Former Wimbledon singles champion Pat Cash, currently commentating on this year’s championships, will be running a summer tennis school at Buccament Bay Resort on St Vincent (below) from August 18-September 1. A week’s all-inclusive accommodation there costs from £1,679 per person, including flights and five one-hour tennis coaching sessions; book through Western & Oriental Travel (wandotravel.com). Family packages are also available, while former professionals John Barnes and Ronnie Whelan will be running football sessions at the resort this summer.
Does anyone know how barnes and co’s fees are paid for? Has anyone seen a rental pool returns statement showing how costs are apportioned? Do such statements exist?
@ Anonymous
…. does it say to bring your own torch?
The world’s first (and only) 100% GREEN 5-Star Resort
No electricity – no sewerage – no sweat….every night you can sit
by the bon fire on the imported beach and sing Kumbaya
I can hardly wait to book…
I am trying to get my head around what is likely to happen at the HMSSE creditors meeting next week.
Firstly, the big unknown is whether the investors will be classed as creditors when the legal opinion comes back. If they are not, and that seems to be the most likely outcome as it is Shipleys’ base assumption, Mr Ames will hold more than 75% of the vote by value of the creditors through his control of the £78 million owed to Harlequin Caribbean resort companies . He can therefore force through a CVA so long as Shipleys go with it.
His two options are:
1. Do nothing and let HMSSE slide into liquidation. The liquidator will then seek to get the money owed from the debtor resort companies. That means the £30 million from Harlequin Developments (HD) and the £22 million from Harlequin SVG (HSVG) which I believe owns the Buccament Bay resort. As it is very unlikely that any of those companies have any cash, the only way the liquidator can get the money is to push those companies into liquidation and take whatever emerges from the fire-sale. This route then leads to the demise of the other Harlequin companies and Mr Ames will presumably avoid it at all costs.
2. Vote through a CVA which pays creditors a percentage. This has to be Mr Ames preferred option. The general creditors (due £4.3 million) and the staff (due £1 million in commissions) would get paid out at an agreed percentage, as would the other Harlequin companies due £78 million (the foundation of Mr Ames’ majority creditor vote). The Harlequin companies couldn’t care less what % they get as any money remains in the group anyway; it is therefore the general creditors who will lose out. To get a CVA through, Mr Ames will have to show Shipleys that there is a prospect of “the collection and distribution of related parties’ debt” – so the money owed by HD and HSVG.
Everything therefore hinges on whether Mr Ames can show to Shipleys’ satisfaction that HD and HSVG will be able to pay.
Now this is where I am out of my comfort zone. On what basis does an administrator decide whether a CVA is appropriate (or not)?
– Do HD and HSVG have to “pay something” or “pay everything”?
– How credible does that prospect of payment need to be? Does it have to be a cheque, or is a letter on HSVG paper signed by Mr Ames promising to pay £1 million sufficient?
– To what extent does HMSSE have to show that it will be a “going concern” in the future? Harlequin is on record as saying it has no need for a sales organisation in the future; it appears to have little prospect of future sales bearing in mind the FCA, SFO etc. How can it be a going concern on that basis?
Are there any experts out there who can advise?
@fdnrm ..it is you that are losing your money with Harlequin, not me . And that is why? You are smarter than I. Your constant stupid rantings prove it…and I forgot, you are getting your “returns” and you have title to your unit a BB (sans electrical service)
Loser!
Wonder how DA and the PM are getting along these days? Imagine cutting the electrical supply to BB for non payment of their bills?how dare they?
@yatinkiteasy. Iv not “lost” any money. I’ve never claimed I have title have I. Your the one who is ranting. Another posting about me. Are you one of my disciples now?
@Keep the story straight. Well you have been proved to be a troll and a LIAR. In future don’t post crap on here unless you can back it up. Idiot.
The value of the Harlequin contract book is supposedly £1.33bn, about triple the GDP of SVG, more than the GDP of St Lucia and only slightly less than the GDP of Barbados – any sign of the accounts of the Caribbean arm of Harlequin which could relate the actual value of the companies to the contract book figure? Estimates by those on the ground suggest that the actual value is well below 10% of the investors exposure.
Take away the £300m estimated to have been paid by investors and Ames can show that he only needs less than 10% of the investors liabilities to be paid and everything is jake – no wonder so much pressure is being put on the investors to complete. Of course in the real world the value of what they are completing on will still only be about 10% of what they have paid out – casino banking looks like small beer compared to this!
@FDNRM, KTST is correct. You have told me twice when I asked that you had not received your most recent cheque. That was about 6 weeks ago when you said it was due. The first time I asked you said it was due that week, then when I asked again 2 weeks later you said you still didn’t have it. That is not to say of course that you have not had it since, but you did confirm it was definitely late.
@Shibbo
Day -7……..
@Ericas Trodden On Pork Pie
I’m BACK……. my hand poised and ready.Tick tock
You are truly a very unpleasant excuse for a man
@Sid I changed my name, only slightly.
Ames is very concerned about the meeting on the 12th…… even saying he has an award won’t help 😉
If he does use the route mention by SGD, he won’t be able to pay the CVA – so its not going to get the OK with Shipley’s.
Shipley’s wont put a foot wrong – they are being watched very carefully, not what uncle Dave had planned.
It’s a bizarre concept an IP. You get appointed by the client and paid by them, but don’t take instructions from them and they work for the creditors not the client!
I don’t see a easy way out of this liquidation seems inevitable.
This was from ‘the Erica blog’ staff leaving and no electric…….
If the reports of trouble at BB are true, I feel hugely sorry for any holidaymaker stuck there. It must be an absolute nightmare. And, as always seems to be the case, local suppliers and staff are the poor souls who are being dumped on.
Also, there will be a significant adverse effect on BB’s prospects. The tour operators, such as Virgin and Kuoni, will drop this like the proverbial hot potato. That means that there will be fewer (perhaps no?) visitors and so its resale value will fall. On the upside, the level of losses it seems to be making might drop a bit.
FDNRM (but needs to) aka Sportman 34Piddle&Bubbles
Why don’t you shut yer mouth and give yer brain a chance?
@EL2
That did give me a much needed laugh!
@Squeaky, do you know if Ames will be there in person on the 12th?
@Sid
Yes I believe that is the plan.
The questions about selling units more than once appears to have got a few people’s bottoms squeaking!
It’s an interesting question what happened to someones deposit if a unit was sold twice? Was it refunded & were the investors told?
They know if that’s the case its SFO ‘time’, in more ways than one 🙂
I did often wonder how Katharine Manderfield, claimed to have soooooo
many HP ‘investments’………
RL just won’t give up, persistent little blighters……
@FDNRM ( but should) and all the other names.
What about the staff leaving and no electric at BB any spin on that? Or will you just ignore the question?
Blimey LLSqueaky,
Is Ames Snr going to have an armed guard with him for the creditors’ meeting? Are Mrs Dave and Dappy Dan the Postie going to be there too? Can’t imagine Minder Sean and Bull’s Eye will be champing at the bit to ward off angry investors himself what with being owed six grand an’ all.
Not paying the very posh Hefin Rees QC and Carter Ruck is very odd, he is vulnerable.
Sean Ghent, gets bad press that’s not justified he not such a bad guy to be fair.
Mrs Dave and mummy boy Dan won’t be going. Mad Matt don’t forget is not a director ( in name only) so he won’t be there.
Isn’t Carter Ruck owed £25k?
I’m no lawyer, but I’m fairly sure that deliberately re-numbering units and re-selling them is fraud. In fact, I actually know it is as I discussed it with a lawyer yesterday! This will not need to be debated and can not be swerved, it is criminal – black and white. Maybe the clock really is ticking now?
Yes, but that’s peanuts compared to 39 Essex st aka Hefin Rees, don’t have the figures to hand but it was well over £100k !!!!
500k to TayorMade in commisions!!
http://www.39essex.com/members/profile.php?id=94
@Sid, late is different to not receiving it. KTSS is wrong and told a deliberate lie! When challenged was unable to prove his point. Therefor is just a troll.
Laddie pissard2 I will continue to post as long as you keep posting your crap on here.
@KICAY. I do not comment on speculation. Why should I?
@leaky leaky, if you were that much of a mole then how did the DA/ Fatchett meeting go?
@FDNRM, true. Late is different to not received.
Ah now I know who you mean.
@FDNRM Title is also late, different to “not received”.
For sale …Cabana in Buccament Bay St Vincent. Can’t promise you clear legal title or a supply of electricity , but what’s left of the staff are fantastic.
OK FDNRM/36 Bubbles
If I stop posting will you promise to fuck off to the far side of fuck off and then fuck off some more?
@FDNRM
That’s because I don’t know how the meeting went.
Ask your only mate WTF, he apparently speaks to Dave most days and know him for many many years.
I however doubt the validity of that.
@EL2, that sounds like a very far off land that probably doesn’t even exist. Are you referring to Buccament Bay?
@WTF, care to share for the benefit of all?
Come on dickie boy, spill the beans! Offer us some hope to send us on our way for the weekend.
@Laddie Pisshead2 Why should I go. Dozens of people want to speak to me every night. Nice choice of words though.
OOH Bubbles FDNRM 36 you are so easy to wind up. If you had a brain you’d be dangerous. Dozens would like to see the back of you too.
WTF – That was the most specious self-serving claptrap I’ve
read. Are you Harleysucess ?
@WTF
That’s hardly rocket science, I could have told you that / or made it up to sound like your old name ‘In the know’ when clearly your not!
What a total tosser you are.
What on Earth would Ames speak to you about something confidential for you to blab your big far gob off on here for? You have no credibility whatsoever
Go back to abusing people with your uneducated gutter language.
Nonce.
Peter Binose has just written a succinct comment on iwn.com.
I have one question who/what is the FRANCIS boy?
@FDNRM (but should) Bubbles
I have an new one for you as a goodbye 😉
mon cher ami
Vous avez le corps d’un chien et le QI d’une durée de cinq ans
@WTF
Allahu akbar for the last sentence
@Richard Ingam aka woman abuser whatsthefuss, in the know Yorkie poo and all those filthy names, pigs toe, chumper mucher etc.
You make me feel physically sick with you disgusting comments, I can only think being crude somehow sexually arouses you.
Go and join a website for people like yourself can share things… you call others a pervert!
Oh for Gawd’s sake TROPorker
You seem totally obsessed with female genitalia. Why don’t you buy yourself a blow-up doll and take it to your room instead of coming on here posting schoolboy filth. Honestly, you have about as much wit as a trodden-on bogey.
@laddie pissead2 wind me up? I think not. I like the way you have become obsessive with me. But that is what happens to cult follows. Think I might make a CD and sell in shopping precincts. Think I might call myself Harli Krishma. Got a certain ring to it.
@ FDNME Bubbles 36, read your post before you send it, then it might make sense to those who read it. Jeez didn’t you listen to anything at school?
@FDNRM, are you ETOPP in disguise? You may have slipped up me old mucker.
Weren’t you brought up with any manners EL2? It’s hey! shitboy Big Mac & Fries please.
Is that the best you can do – impersonate me? That old saying ‘imitation is the sincerest form of flattery’ comes to mind.
@ Sid, it wasn’t moi!
@wtf, what do you think about a CD of topical tunes. Leakey mole, underground by the jam, Erica, were all going on a summer holiday, le grand architect des caribes, ma cherie amour, Anon, who are you ” by the who” BBaywatch, paperback writer, and DA, give me just a little more time “chairman of the board” Recon I’ve got myself a money spinner there. LOL
@laddie pisshead2 so you didn’t call me a shitboy and order fries. Who impersonated you yo sday that?
It’ll never sell – you’re on your way to bankruptcy. Morally and financially!
FDNRM – Your best work yet. It just proves the saying that
gallows humor is the best humor. A bit giddy though…
It’s Friday night, sitting in the garden with a glass (wine box) of cheap stuff. Even Anon RU has begun to have a laugh. Don’t people understand that my/ yours/ anyone’s opinion or comments will make no difference what so ever to the outcome here. Life is too short.
FDNRM ( but needs him), Why don’t you try “I’m forever blowing bubbles.’? You’re good at that.
You see no class, that’s a West Ham song, everyone knows a Cov supporter.
Faut péter dans l’eau pour faire des bulles…
À plus tard!
Bonne nuit
@FDNRM, you’re a Coventry City supporter? So you’re losing your stadium as well as your retirement plan?! You must be jinxed!!!
I hope you enjoy the wine and your Friday evening.
@ETOPP, do they let you have your own computer in that asylum you’re in?
@WTF, Did Ames give you any information on the immediate future. Has the power been cut off to Buccament Bay. If so, are they running on a back up generator? I’ve heard investor meetings are planned for early August, is this correct?
@Avengersmovie chats worth, why thank you sir.
Any update from BB today? Power?
Hi Anon RU how are you, enjoying the weather? I feel a group hug coming on.
Anonymous
July 5, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Peter Binose has just written a succinct comment on iwn.com.
I have one question who/what is the FRANCIS boy?
You can all call each other names – shame that you know nothing about the islands where you money has been lost.
Yes, loving the weather thank you FDNRM.
BBaywatch – Got me wrong there, I was a vendor. Job from hell
actually. But what is the reference to FRANCIS boy? Believe me
I am on the side of the Islands in this mess.
@ Richard Ingham aka whatsthefuss yoorkiepoo intheknow & Erica’s various names.
Does your wife know the names your are dreaming up about Erica’s genitalia? Maybe she should start to worry over this obsession you have?
I think you are just some sad ‘ Walter Mitty’ character who makes up things about himself to feel important coupled with some OCD illness.
A little like your ‘claim to fame’ about being big mates with Ames. I bet he hates taking your pathetic calls, but does so only because you would call him a 100 times a day!!!
You no more know him than I do, just make it up as you go along, you sad sorry for an excuse of a man.
No BB updates? Shame there is no SVG free press. Maybe I’ll check twitter …
@ETOPP. You offer revolting remarks, with disgusting wording. I feel sorry for your lamentable behavior. Further, you do the majority of us, who seek knowledge from these posts, a huge disservice. I’m ashamed that people like you exist and for the misery unsuccessfully try to spread.
Don’t let these poorly educated, crass individuals ruin the discussion. There is one who finds toilet humour funny (in all his names), and FDNRM in his various guises who has difficulty remembering his made up stories. Somewhere in the middle is the truth.
@KTSS. More lies. Why post on here when you obviously cannot tell the difference between truth and fiction. Found those posts yet? No thought not, because they don’t exist. Try reading SIDS posts and learn. Perhaps you are after a free copy of my CD or want to join my group Harli Chrishma.
Erica, you need to stop doing this, going off half cocked.
You already discredited this blog and yourself by making unfounded and yet unproved allegations about Richard Ingham being a PI and now your off again.
James Cannon is nothing to do with this, he just happen to share the name ‘Cannon’ and this business is called Cannon Hill Services, in Cannon Hill Lane – that’s it.
Its ran by Damian Wilson if you care to check his linkedin account – he was a consultant for Harlequin.
As I stated prior, this site runs better without your nasty vindictive input, its better for all when you are not around – your views are blinded by hatred and revenge – not productive or helpful.
I expect to be banned for daring to disagree with you, you said the same in the PM you sent me.
Your totally bonkers!!
Domain name:
united2succeed.org.uk
Registrant:
Cannon Hill Services – 21st May 2013
Registrant type:
UK Limited Company, (Company number: 6500368)
Registrant’s address:
323 Cannon Hill Lane
London
Greater London
SW20 9HQ
United Kingdom
http://www.cannonhill.eu/contact/
uk.linkedin.com/in/damianwilson
Seems only Eric’s messages are not allowed to be used for all and sundry to see 😉
13 hours ago
Quote
Let us all play nicely without any digs at anyone or I will ban you this is not BBFP and if I see this on there you will be banned I will not tolerate any abuse hope you understand
All posts on this forum by members are members opinions this does not necessarily mean it is the opinion of admin or staff.
This post is not for publication on any other website or forum.
This message was about me saying the ‘Erica blog’ was just a soap box for her to spout of her bile and hatred and Bird tables were not interesting for investors. She must have been away last week because the blog was fairly productive.
The really sad thing is a few people on there really know what they are talking about.
Talk about censorship!
@FDNRM
You have made me chuckle, keep drinking the wine, Will I need to wear any special clothes to join your cult?
Anonymous
July 5, 2013 at 9:39 pm
BBaywatch – Got me wrong there, I was a vendor. Job from hell
actually. But what is the reference to FRANCIS boy? Believe me
I am on the side of the Islands in this mess.
What an amateur shambles this whole affair is – none of you with any sense. Just search Francis and SVG – you can do the rest yourself.
I have not been banned and my thread has been put back, and left alone!
I had PM’ed a number of less volatile members, just after I posted. A bit like in the movies when people say, ‘if anything happens to me read this…….. 😉
LLEBM
Why don’t you set up you’re own investor site? You’ve obviously got strong views, which might help move things forward for investors. If you did, I’m sure some people would join you in trying to get it off the ground. If you don’t like the set up at HIB you should offer an alternative; otherwise you will just come across as churlish. All mouth and no trousers as they say. Best of luck.
Erica Broughton re: The Blog.
If you have defamed me on ‘your’ blog I will commence legal redress without further notice.
You have until 5 pm tonight to remove any comments and set the record straight.
James Cannon.
@FDNRM
on the song theme, what about
”Just My Imagination (running Away With Me)”
For maybe Erica?
I was banned for no reason, no explanation at all. Had not posted anything offensive. Care to explain oh here Erica?
People are looking so intently at Harlequin that they are ignoring a very serious danger by the no win no fee sharks.
It is rumoured that Gareth Fatchett and R Legal have lost a number of cases but non disclosures keep the results out of the public eye. That would explain why they are getting desperate over Harlequin and putting all of their eggs in one basket.
They moved to cheaper offices recently. Why?
It is estimated they have already mounted up charges of well over £200k on Harlequin in the past few months for very little result because they do not understand the company, the industry or the background. Have you noticed how most of the claims they make in articles are not repeated?
The Daily Mail is not known for dedication to accuracy but it steered clear of the story after the failed freezing order. That failure was a clear warning of R Legal’s lack of understanding and their ruthlessness.
With that freezing order they tried to destroy a company, a resort and take all of the investors monies for SEVERAL clients they represented and themselves. They failed and we are still here months later.
Time is literally money for solicitors so every email, every meeting, every conversation, every update and all the solicitor hours will be counted.
There are also expensive court appearances, trips to the Caribbean, advertising and salaries to pay for when they are bringing little money in aside from signing on fees.
Solicitors are very expensive but no win no fee is massively expensive. R Legal will be desperate for any kind of a result to get their huge cut and again there will be non disclosures to stop clients saying what they received after all of the charges were covered.
When everyone is busy looking at Harlequin do not forget that Gareth Fatchett and R Legal have been working for several months without a positive result.
Someone will pay and R Legal will do everything possible to make sure it is not them. That might mean robbing 6,000 investors by gutting Harlequin to pay their 60 clients and themselves.
Now I wonder who wrote that?
I think its HP that are looking desperate maybe around the 12th of this month!!! and IFA will be bricking it.
I don’t think you need to worry over Mr Fatchett’s finances his payday will come from the SIPP and savaging the IFA’a…… Are you TaylorMade by any chance 🙂
Mr Fatchett won’t be shaken off that’s your ‘real’ problem!!
@Sportingman.
Well you must have done something? Maybe you dared to question someone or asked a difficult question? I understand only anit-Harlequin posts are allowed.
It seems someone else is being blamed for “robbing 6000 investors”. We all know who the real scammers are , don’t we?
Sportingman is 36/FDNRM. I heard Erica chucked him out for being abusive. He has lots of different names.
The person who is making all the attacks upon Erica under different names ( Ericas Trodden On Pork Pie, What’s the Fuss etc.) has an IP of 78.150.180.144
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Best thing to do is wait and see what happens !
RL – we don’t win 100% of cases. True. About 96% at last count.
We will back ourselves against the plainly greedy advice of most advisers. We are both resourced and ready. We know its going to happen. We can wait.
Remember a CVA has to be both viable and feasible. That requires investors to be onside. Therefore, the RL / HIG role is crucial. Mr Ames recognises this. More importantly, Shipleys do as well.
Although a little dramatic, Harlequin are running out of time. If it is in the interests of our clients we will help formulate CVA. The reverse also applies.
We are relaxed as we know what is actually going on. It is clear most posters have no idea as to the actual position. It is not for us to educate non clients.
In conclusion, we continue to work hard for an equitable solution. That solution may happen, it may not. If not, liquidation is almost certain. Irrespective, those who mis-sold will be pursued. On that you have our word.
@ The real RL. You say it is not for you to educate non clients. How does that reconcile with the list of all investors you say you have and ALL investors must agree to any RL led rescue plan? You don’t even have a majority onside so without that a RL led rescue will not work.
@ BFP, are you going to remove Erica from this forum for her made up accusations of WTF being a PI? In the respect of fairness?
@Anon 14.50, how would I know what I was chucked out for. Erica didn’t have the good grace to issue a warning or explain why. If fact she apologised for her actions. Of course it is impossible for me to prove that as I don’t have access to her site.
@FDNRM
RL / HIG will offer investors two choices
(a) liquidation
(b) CVA with conditions
Ames will go for (b) as he has no choice. RL do not care as they pick up the SIPP claims / IFA claims whether it is (a) or (b).
They have played a blinder as they win either way as investors will only be concerned about getting their money back.
There are thousands who went via an IFA. The rest are screwed.
Let’s see how this plays out over the next week.
“@ BFP, are you going to remove Erica from this forum for her made up accusations of WTF being a PI? In the respect of fairness?”
Nope, we’re not. That 78.150.180.144 person crossed the line. Sometimes on the blog we’re not sure where the line is, but it was clear that .144 crossed it.
Cha!
@the left hand porchway, not according to the post above which is said to be from RL. “It is not for us to educate non clients” if that is the case then non clients will not make a decision, and they are the majority. And why do you think the rest are screwed?
@The left hand porchway.
I would tend to agree with you, it just looks like RL need to square up a few things and its a ‘win win’
The cash investors were always going to be the most vulnerable, However, if a plan is worked out and all investors work together who knows, could be some hope?
Thank goodness that horrible man WTF etc, and I used the term ‘man’ lightly has been removed.
What a vile bitter and twisted individual. We all have some fun with FDNRM but in his defense he is rarely too rude.
And I have chuckled at some of his recent posts 🙂
I don’t think we will miss WTF, maybe we may have a proper debate?
@Erica Broughton.
Thank you Erica, the matter is now closed.
Your prompt action was appreciated.
Regards,
James Cannon
Any deals won’t be done in public.
They won’t be done on any forum.
@KST
That is the only way to be truly prepared for any eventuality, a forum is certainly not the place.
I hopes yo can do the deal at birdspeed,hurting up my head
One hour ago i-witness-news.com reported that the electricity has
been turned back on at Buccament Bay. It did not say for how long
the resort was blacked-out.
SD,
FDNRM, WTF – they are not players in what is going on. Hence, there frustration at proceedings.
The deal needs to be done and quickly.
The sticking point is some of the greedy agents insisting on being paid via a CVA. Once that is removed, investors may be in business.
Short legs, who said I was banned! I haven’t done anything to warrant being banned!
@WTF
You are an odious little man. What happened to you never being caught out on a lie? So many names such nastiness, I pity you.
BFP – thanks for clearing some of the muck off the thread. It was getting a bit tedious.
@The Junior Warden
They are a strange pair, birds of a feather flock together and all that 😉
A most repugnant person indeed.
Must go, go now someone knocking on the door.
I cannot believe how stupid people on here are! I was proven right about not being a PI.
I then was telling you that ETOPP was not me and the other potty mouth named were not me.
BFP then ban that person by banning their IP address and I’m still here.
Again, I was proven correct that that wasn’t me posting
Twice I have been proven right now!
Not so fast, Whatsthefuss…
IP numbers can be switched. Maybe this is you, and maybe it’s not.
Maybe that was you using the C word, and maybe not.
We will see.
Robert for BFP
Robert – I include you now with the idiot pack mentality, rather than innocent until proven guilty I must be doing something underhand.
And Robert I hope you jump to my defence next the I’m called a nonce etc?
BFP – double standards in your banana republic may be acceptable but not to me.
In terms of how to make friends and influence people in Barbados, using the term “Banana Republic” is not particularly helpful.
I suspect the Harlequin paid supporters can expect a little more focus from BFP in the future.
I would be surprised if WTF understood how offensive this term was, or even cared.
CVA or not CVA is the question!
But,what is the answer?
The answer needs to be quick, or its all going down the pan, people need to wake up a bit and stop thinking this will fix it’s self.
It won’t……. people seem almost in a zombie like state of apathy..
@SGD can you explain why any supporters or posters should have “a little more focus” you don’t know much about the Wigan bunker do you.
Where is red button girl? I think her clock needs winding up.
Possibly sunbathing 😉
I forgive you anything but!!!!
S’il vous plaît pas de vin d’une boîte ses terribles
The RL latest bulletin …… about the CVA is interesting.
Its seems to be recommending investors work with HP rather than it going into liquidation? .a pro-investor CVA.
You don’t need to be an accountant to work out that liquidation is the worst option – question for all…..
Would you sign up for that if it was possible?
@whatsthefuss.
Well if being obsessed about dreaming up different words for women’s genitalia, racist, homophobic, misogynistic comments, bullying, lying, and just being a vile troll are not reasons for banning you what is?
Even low life Ames would distance himself from you after this, if it were true.
I actually think you are a troll, not even a Harlequin one.
This IS YOU
In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by trying to start arguments and upset people. They may do this by posting deliberately inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
While this sense of the word troll and its associated verb trolling are associated with Internet discourse, media attention in recent years has made such labels subjective, with trolling also used to describe intentionally provocative actions and harassment outside of an online context. For example, mass media has used troll to describe “a person who defaces Internet tribute sites with the aim of causing grief to families.”[5][6]
@Short legs, is there a description for someone who makes false allegations about a persons occupation, makes false allegations about being followed, makes false allegations to the police about harassment and then drives past some ones house, photographs their car and then e mails the details to a person with a dubious past who is trying to put a freezing order on a company. I cannot think of a name, can you?
Hearsay?
@Anon20.00 not at all. All the above are in the public domain. Even the crime number, name of the WPC and the picture of the car on the e mail.
A Real Investor – I do know what a banana republic, it must be you that is confused as I think it fits quite aptly!
Banana republic is a political science term for a politically unstable country whose economy is largely dependent on the export of a single limited-resource product, such as bananas. It typically has stratified social classes, including a large, impoverished working class and a ruling plutocracy that comprises the elites of business, politics, and the military. This politico-economic oligarchy controls the primary-sector productions and thereby exploits the country’s economy.
Banana republic is a political science term for a politically unstable country whose economy is largely dependent on the export of a single limited-resource product, such as bananas. It typically has stratified social classes, including a large, impoverished working class and a ruling plutocracy that comprises the elites of business, politics, and the military.[1] This politico-economic oligarchy controls the primary-sector productions and thereby exploits the country’s economy.[2]
Then you know the answer to your question don’t you? Why labour the point?
FDNRM – don’t bother giving short legs the facts of what’s gone on, firstly he doesn’t want to know the truth and secondly why educate the idiot?
I have explained 100 times I wasn’t the one following Erica or posting vulgar insults to her.
The police are now spending thousands of pounds and tying up resources investigating a crime that happened in Ericas daft head spending thousands just to prove she’s a nut job!
@FDNRM
Do I take it that you’re entirely comfortable with the vile abuse dished out to Erica on this forum? It’s just that whenever someone brings it up your response is to divert attention back to the fact that Erica made false accusations against WTF. Why is that? Are you suggesting that Erica deserved the abuse she suffered because she has made false accusations against WTF? If so I suppose you are entitled to your opinion whilst others will draw their own conclusions.
FDNRM is miffed because Erica slung him out of her forum.
@ WTF aka nonce and his only mate FDNRM ( but should)
What a pair of sad gits you are. Ames has had what £300k + and you are still on here defending him, in the hope he will do some ‘special little deal’
You think it will get past the IP’s – not a chance 😉
Pair of parasites, and you the ‘nonce’ whats up no more statements to make, Ames used you like a tissue.
@anon 7.47 is I am entitled to my opinion and I have made no comment regarding the abuse so you cannot make any assumptions as my thoughts. I know what the facts are though and Erica made some very serious accusations, took photographs of someone’s car and posted them to another person. Abuse can come in many forms.
@Anon 21.02 Erica can do what she likes with her forum. A reasonable person would have discussed any objections befor just banning someone. Particularly after Erica had apologised for her postings. Abuse can come in many forms.
Special little deal/ phoney soprano/ Anthony – your post makes you look as stupid as you clearly are, Ames has nothing like the figures of cash that you talk about. Although I have no wish to lose it I do not let it become an anger issue in my life, it’s making you all bitter and twisted.
You clearly know nothing about the statement I made to the court because it wasn’t requested by Dave Ames, I was mentioned in court proceedings so was informed by the court. I wished to reply Harlequin never requested I did or didn’t reply because it wasn’t for them to request.
As for your insults you appear childish, lets see if Barbados Free Press think that it’s ok to insult me but not Erica?
Your posts are all the same, don’t you have an imagination??
Well one thing for sure Shipley’s haven’t left a stone unturned,
if anyone thinks they will get an ‘Uncle Dave deal’ they have absolutely no chance, plus the fact is they can be overturned.
Jo Swinson has been contacted, who in turn contacted Shipley’s so they are being harder on HP. Even a few law firms done the same 😉
Sorry guys, no special deals it just wont happen.
Don’t you think the SFO are getting feedback , come on get real!
As for you Richard, Dave views you as a liability and a non player in the whole scheme of things – sorry, he done one on you too.
Does anyone know a Mr Croucher… of Wiltshire I believe ?
LsMItB – well that’s fine with me as I have no special deal, so makes no difference. if you were a player you would be aware of this?
What are these special deals you refer to as I would love to know. I’m in no different position to anybody else as far as I am aware.
As for doing one on me, I haven’t requested anything from Dave nor has he asked me for anything in return.
Your posts just demonstrate your a fake and have no knowledge. You should stop giving misinformation on here to people, it’s not the done thing!
@llsmitb, that is the most rediculous thing anyone has posted. You obviously do not understand the remit of an Aministrator. They are part of the court process and NO politician can or will not have any influence. Absolute rubbish.
FDNRM’s posts seem more tenuous and disconnected from reality than ever. Nothing about Harlequin or the current situation, just a bizarre obsession with Erica accusing some low life of being a PI, like anyone cares. I think it’s finally dawning on him that the only two options are liquidation or an investor supported CVA. In either scenario he would have no special deal, no rental payments and would be in the same boat as the rest of the investors. Except as a cash purchaser he would have no negligence claim against an IFA, agent or SIPP provider. In other words he is screwed. I wonder if he is still happy with Harlequin.
Anonymous – another boring repetitive post, are you running out of things to say?
Worry about your own position not FDNRM!!
As for who cares about the PI issue your right nobody does apart from an idiot in Wigan who is spending thousands of pounds and police resources on it still because she can’t accept she is wrong!
@ WTF 36FDNRM (but needs a lawyer) You have repeated these accusations about Erica Broughton for weeks now. It still hasn’t proved anything. The foul-mouthed attacks against her by you and the rest of the Harlequin rabble must be one of the worst PR campaigns I have ever seen in my life. You are a bunch of desperate amateurs.
Has it occurred to you that most people here aren’t really that interested in what she has or hasn’t done (it’s still hearsay). There are far more important things than this, like hundreds of people losing their pensions, jobs, homes and life savings.
@anon 9.29. How very wrong you are. Try thinking outside the box. If only you knew.
Jo Swinson MP is Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Employment Relations and Consumer Affairs. Her responsibility includes consumer policy, consumer credit and consumer affairs; and more importantly the Insolvency Service (including company investigations). She has a lot of clout when it comes to company insolvency especially when serious allegations of fraud have been made.
I don’t care who she is, she cannot influence an administrator of a company. That administrator is answerable to the court only, the administrator is a court appointee. Dont you think that a Government minister cutting across an administrator would shaft the SFO? Get it!
@Pisshead 2, perhaps you should be interested in what Erica has done. This is not “hearsay”
—- Original Message —–From: Erica broughtonSent: 06/23/13 03:50
PMTo: cpcholding@europe.comSubject: White Audi Please find attached a
picture of the White Audi along with a screenshot of the file
properties showing the date the image was taken.
Whos white Audi do you think that is, more importantly, how did I get an e-mail from Erica to CPC?
You really should think before you post.
@ FDNRM
Yeah it’s a picture of a car. No one cares.
I think the sooner you get yourself a lawyer the better.
EL2 – Erica cares, Greater Manchester Police care and the person who Erica stalked to their home address dies to.
You don’t care because your a self centred cretin!
My God, Are you dead and still posting? WTF!
Why does anyone want a CVA? HMSSE was just the shadow company for all the money to go through. It is in debt, and is not, nor ever was, a viable business. The contracts are with the Caribbean companies and those should be the targets of any CVA.
Investors and Reg. Legal need to push HMSSE into liquidation so the books are opened for all to see and the directors are brought to account. The directors need their day in court, where they will be forced to answer the questions put to them by Reg. Legal under oath.
The claim that HMSSE is owed £86m from the Caribbean companies is just a rubbish attempt to cover up the fact they were operating insovently. Without accounts from the Caribbean how will it be proven? Don’t you think its odd that HMSSE is owed almost the same amount as it’s debt, by it’s own related companies? Companies that we know are broke, and may well be operating insovently too (How did BB pay the power bill? What about BB’s other significant debts?)
Liquidation is the answer, and with the liquidation we should get more answers about how this scam was orchestrated, and where the money went. Any CVA is just an attempt by the Ames family to avoid accountability.
WTF and FDNRM are just side shows. Ignore them and look for the money.
@KTSS. Liquidation is not the answer.doing that there will be no money at all. Opening the books will prove nothing.
@EL2 people do care because its the truth. And we all want the truth don’t we?
@ Keep the story straight.
Good post.
@FDNR 6.51 am
“Opening the books will prove nothing”
“And we all want the truth don’t we?”
You quite simply couldn’t make it up!
@Whatsthefuss AKA nonce.
Bet he has when you combine it with your mates FDNRM. You are one to talk about anger issues, oh dear. Why would you give a statment to defend Ames – that’s the real question.
@FDNRM.
Clearly you have no idea how IP’s work, or what Jo Swinson role is.
IP’s are typically lazy and charge a fortune,
Usually the people who are owed money by the company don’t fancy challenging the result or spending more to prove it.
So the accept say 10p in the £.
Also, IP’s will turn a blind eye, they are in it for the fees not to make work.
With Jo on the case and law firms they have to make sure its done by the book.
@FDNRM ( but should) and his mate WTF
You both really do have delusions of grandeur. Dave don’t give a toss about you.
WTF, has become an embarrassment for him, claiming he has know him for years and making out they are best mates – he does know him, but that’s about it. He just want’s him to shut up and stop his campaign – it’s causing him grief.
Pity you can’t see all the posts of the emails and PM’s you sent Erica.. Makes you look like a real turncoat, well you are!
@FDNRM, he just pays you a couple of quid because you carry on blocking up the blog with your drivel, for what he pays you its worth it.
You both will be dropped, along with your special little deals when you have served your purpose, and then you will feel used and abused – bit like real investors.
It’s surreal, you have these to moaning about what Erica’s said whilst the company is heading for the dunstbin this week unless some sort or agreement can be made!!
I am truly mystified – and they are investors???
Say’s it all really.
LLMITB – I have no special deal so I have no idea what you are referring to.
As for posting, I haven’t been posting alot at all, I just get accused of posting under different names hence when ETOPP was banned from here I wasn’t?
As for any private messages sent to Erica these were what she wanted to hear so I could understand what idiotic tricks she was up to, simple really.
As for yourself, if Dave is all the things you call him, then why are you happy to prostitute yourself for him for your monthly salary? Isn’t that what your accusing FDNRM of doing?
Your a bit of a clown really because your a fake, go down to reception and find out what date and time I was in the office last week, if not disappear, your a fraud!
@WTF
If you say so.
Anyway Dave was not too happy about you trying to ‘take his baby’ off him. – but he got you to do the statement whether the court needed it or not it’s irrelevant; you did it.
Some of those PM’s & emails…. tut tut! 😉
Bet he tells you nothing now does he? That’s because he does not trust you. You only have FDNRM as a ‘mate’ now.
National Hurricane Center now showing Tropical Storm Chantal
as reaching hurricane force and passing over St Lucia sometime
Wednesday. It will be interesting to find out how the “beach”
at BB withstands any residual tides/high surf.
LLSMITB – Dave was not unaware of the things I wrote to Erica, so maybe he’s playing you to see if you can hd water?
If you were actually who you say you were you would know I spoke with Dave this morning, there was nothing that I asked that he didn’t answer.
As for you though, you didn’t answer any questions.
So prove who you are, go to the visitors book and tell me what date and time I was in the office last week and secondly, why its acceptable to take a salary from Dave, from investors deposits and being complicit in whatever you say Dave is doing, and thirdly what’s this deal I have because you must know more than me about my own business.
@WTF.
You can’t bully me & I have no intention of answering any questions from you.
Alas, your the one being ‘played’ but too stupid or arrogant to know.
The IP knows of the deal – I told them.
That’s all I have to say.
LLSMITB – think you have been rumbled here as a bullshitter. Fact is there is no deal, never has been.
So what about checking the signing in book next, and why taking a salary is ok but an investor getting a return isn’t?
Zero out of three so far!
@WTF.
I would say 1 nil to Ames he has your money you pillock!
Was it cash, ouch your stuffed 😉
Loony – no more or less screwed than anybody else because I don’t have a special deal – do you??
Hey wtf does that mean Ames oked the shit and kinky stuff you doled out? that’s a twats trick if he did.you are one sick puppy pity your bird she must be right frigged of seeing u do this to a woman
Andrew – I do not recall writing any filthy posts to anybody. I recall posts being put up in the name of ETOPP and getting accused of being them.
ETOPP is banned so I was proven not to be him!
@ Andrew Shipley
Please ask someone to write for you; clearly it’s not your strong point. No need to use such expletives – its just rude.
@Whatsthefuss.
Has ETOPP been banned or just hiding?
Poor Spelling – messages from ETOPP’s IP address are not accepted on BFP anymore so he is unable to post.
PS worry about the money not my righting
Can anyone verify that WTF and FDNRM are 2 different people? I’m not convinced.
@Andrew Shipley
Now you are being cheeky 🙂 you are deliberately misspelling things!
@ Sid, they are both unpleasant, both got some dirty little deal going on.
But not for long.
Day minus
4 🙂
In all their disguises they clog up the threads with inane posts. Mind you, that’s what they are here for.
@Awhadldwa, well that’s you banned from my Harli Krishna group and deff will not be getting a copy of my cd.
@pisshead2 don’t start that rubbish again. Stop clogging up this forum with posts about people clogging up forums. You will get it one day.
Are you going to the creditors meeting on Friday FDNRM?
AN URGENT ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT THE PRO HARLEQUIN INVESTORS LLC. – you need to be cautious! 😉
I seem to have taken over where Mr Frank Cannon left off, he must be on ‘vacation’ as the Yanks say.
Pro Harlequin investors LLP was registered on 28th June 2013, that’s fine, however the office address is:
ELS Legal LLp 1st Floor
10-12 Ely Place
London
EC1N 6RY
They are HARLEQUINS SOLICITORS. oh dear!
Let me just give you a few highlights of the aim of PHIG…
“We are a totally independent investors’ group with clear goals:
1 To provide important factual information, legally verified where appropriate to assist Harlequin Property investors to form a balanced opinion.
2 We are strongly of the view that the damage being done to our investments by negativity and criticism in the media and elsewhere is unfairly adverse.
3 It is critical to our investments that there be integrity, balance and fairness in all that is being said and reported
Now, having a Harlequin Consultant running the site and a Harlequin’s of solicitors running the LLP, where does the ‘totally independence bit come into it?
Domain name:
united2succeed.org.uk
Registrant:
Cannon Hill Services – 21st May 2013
Registrant type:
UK Limited Company, (Company number: 6500368)
Registrant’s address:
323 Cannon Hill Lane
London
Greater London
SW20 9HQ
United Kingdom
http://www.cannonhill.eu/contact/
http://uk.linkedin.com/in/damianwilson
Have a look at the linkedin details….. rather strange behavior don’t you think?
Do you think this group may not really be independent???
The Pro Harlequin Investor Group LLP is ran by Harlequins Solicitors
ELS. Registered 28th June.
The web site is registred to one of Harlequins Consultants
Damiam Wilson
The Pro Harlequin Investor group LLP – caught you out you little monkey!
That would be in the name of Colin Fairbairn and Robert Ladell, they surely must be investors and not working for Harlequin?
That’s a little dishonest is it not?
Just glad i was taught to be cautious 😉
@Eddie Lizzard2 Deff not going.
@Lord HawHaw, why is it wrong for investors to be working for HP? Its name is “Pro Investers Group” That would include investors who are pro. No? Does what it says on the tin.
@FDNRM (but should)
Your quite simply deluded!
@poor spelling …………. catched!
@leakymole
The only question now is whether Shipley approve a CVA. There will be a vote on Friday to investigate one. No doubt as Ames controls the votes.
Where this will fall apart is when those holding Statutory Demands or other claims ay – “no”. At that point, no CVA.
No CVA means liquidation. The inter-company positions will then be demanded (if the investors do not go first).
The only deal which can be done vis a vis the companies is between
(1) Ames (2) RL (3) Shipleys
Everyone else is irrelevant. This will play out over the next 4-6 weeks.
Leaky Mole should be able to confirm this if he/she really is in the bunker.
http://citywire.co.uk/new-model-adviser/troubled-property-fund-fights-to-recover-50m/a658318
Let’s get this right. The “Pro” Harlequin group hosts its registered office at ELS Solicitors.
1. ELS act for Harlequin.
2. One of the former ELS partners legged it with the client account.
3. ELS is in administration.
4. There is a “new” ELS phoenixed from the flames.
Birds of a feather …..
@FDNRM
Wise up. ELS is Harlequin is Pro Harlequin …
The website records individual site visitors. They have told people to register to vote. For what ?
Little knowledge is dangerous. As the people behind it even investors ? The domain registration is with the Harlequin PR chap.
Are they that desperate for followers ?
@ Lord Haw Haw
Ames is a Past Master and his ramblings are veiled in allegory.
The only way you can tell a Harlequin person is by the way they speak to you. They all have a dialect problem which identifies them as they cannot say the word “truth”. When they attempt to they say a word sounding like “looth”. Truth is not a word they understand.
You were right to look at the very independent ELS. It is certainly true that they are good at liberating things. Mostly client money.
Anyway, keep up the good work as you are certainly a jolly good fellow in these dark times.
It is times like this when I despair at human nature. People need to exercise strict caution from now on. I will be seeking to prove everyone from now on.
@wtf
@fdnrm
You are both King Canutes in your own way. The tide is moving against you, but yet you stand shouting at it to stop.
You will end up with nothing but a lost deposit. I do hope neither of you re-mortgaged to put your deposit down.
All,
You are wasting your time trying for a CVA.
It will not happen. RL have gone soft. The Real RL are ready to send the ammunition to target.
Unless Ames coughs, you all lose.
@The Real RL
Why would you try to break Harlequin ?
They are a good company doing works of charity globally.
@ The Real RL / The Provisional RL
You are both fakers. RL send messages via http://www.harlequininvestorgroup.co.uk
You are Harlequin people seeking to cause trouble. Please desist as this whole mess will ruin many people.
@ Inner Gaurd.
You begin.
I confirm that you are correct.
@The Gavel
Why would Ames with all the negative press, use a solicitor that had even a degree of uncertainty about them?
@A Cautionary Tale
Ames is a past master of the highest degree, but he has yet to show any sign of distress or wrongdoing.
Ancient Mariner – I do not ever recall saying that this situation is all under control and people’s money aren’t at risk – I have only ever said I don’t believe it was set up as a scam initially
I HAVE A THEORY MANY OF YOU WILL THINK IS CRAZY
I think, no I am fair certain that Freemason’s are involved with this Harlequin cover up.
It makes perfect sense, a Worldwide network of ‘Brothers’ is that why he is able to get away with so much? For so long…..?
It’s a well know fact that Freemason, communicate in special secret ways and cover up for each other – so I am sure Ames is a top high ranking Freemason, if not the highest.
I have seen some words on this blog that seemed somehow out of context so I Googled them – This proved Freemason are sending coded messages to each other on this blog.
@WTF
Surprise! Surprise! I am someone you would “hate my guts”…however
I agree it was not set up as a scam originally. The original architectural
concepts were first rate and obviously cost one whole hell of a lot of
money (BB-HHotel-Merricks). The interior design fees were astronomical.
But DA started running out of money early last summer. That is when
Krauss-Manning and PID both pulled out within a week of each other.
That is when it became a scam/Ponzi. Very simple really—the concept
could not work. I’d really like to here Campion’s take circa Aug ’12
Jan’13.
Examples of Masonic words that have been used:
Great Architect of the Universe…………….but they changed it to Caribbean
Le grand architecte, des Caraïbes (in French)
Bozo
Tuber
Leakey mole just used some special term to Inner Guard, who must be a Mason, because Inner Guard – is a special type of Mason.
If the Mason’s are involved because Ames is the boss of Mason – we have no change. Just read how powerful they are.
This is a pile of hooey! My husband who is a 32-degree Scottish Rite
just told me if he needed to contacted anyone he’d simply call on
his i-phone. It means nothing.
You would say that, but my mate who is a past it Grandmaster, confirmed some secret words on this blog.
They are speaking in a sort of code. I will find out more, but he said he would get in trouble if he said too much.
He sure sounds “past it”
look this has raised my awareness.
http://rense.com/general77/freem.htm
Black Ball – that was obviously a plant by Opus Dei.
@ Black Ball,
Do you think thats why FDNRM and WTF are doing it? Maybe they belong to the group as Ames – Is this how he seems to get away with anything?
FDNRM and WTF are you Freemasons defending Ames?
@Keep me out of it.
All I will say on this subject, somethings are not always as they seem.
My uncle was a Mason and a drunk, he got stopped and arrested for drunken driving, until a few calls were made – then all charges were dropped.
That is a fact.
So, why is this so crazy?
I have spotted a few words on here that lead me to believe that this is not associated with the Freemasons. They are:
– bollocks
– mad
– crazy
– wrong
– nuts
@ St George’s Dragon
Explain how he manages to keep ducking and diving and evading capture?
@169.
But the question is, who could he call, what could they do, and why would they have to do it? 🙂
I was on the Erica blog last night, or should I say the ‘CPC promotional blog’, they discuss and promote CPC like they have actually won the case and been paid out!
So. the delusional state is not just reserved for FDNRM and the Masonic conspiracy theorists
What a strange world we live in.
not as strange as you think ….. ames is a mason what next carole is the bleeding magdalene gene carrier… and bluebell wood is where the bones of jesus are buried . man you lot are crazy so worried about incidental crap while the little sod and his cohorts walk of with the money into the sunrise .
@Dan Brown.
You may mock, but all those books you wrote you know the answer 😉
Dave looks cute in his Apron, the blue matches his eyes.
People in general find freemasonry worrying and scary because it is a sect which includes many, all men really, and excludes everybody else. It’s basically a boys’ club with elaborate rituals they all enjoy with gusto. They have weird outfits and signals, handshakes etc. At the end of the day it is just businessmen helping each other. In some ways it is wrong because you have to swear that you will help others of your sect above anybody else. So a doctor who swears by the Hippocratic Oath to look after all, might be obliged to concentrate on a fellow masonic member instead of just an ordinary person in need. In business you might have to make an unfair decision in which logic and fairness would normally influence your judgement. You are bound to a code where you basically exclude anyone not in the “club”. And if you do not follow the rules, you are dumped, sometimes with bad consequences, such as no membership of the golf club, nobody shops at your shop anymore, people withdraw their accounts from your bank. The punishments are wide-ranging, affecting men at all levels of society.
Notoriously, police and lawyers, bankers and accountants are nearly all invited to be members; those very people we need when problems arise in our daily lives. There’s an unpleasant background going on which excludes women.
I say let the boys have their clubs and sects if they want to but if the people are working in the public sector, paid by the taxpayer, they must announce their allegiance to the Masons so the rest of us know where we stand.
As far as Satanism is concerned that is a nonsense. These deluded men are not worshiping satan, just their own “amour propre”, vanity.
The freemasons will always survive because the society they have created really works; people helping each other in business. The nasty side of it is how they gang up to exclude anybody not belonging to the sect. It wouldn’t be fair to ban them, that would be unjust but it might be about time to have a TV documentary about them! I’d enjoy that!
It’s a pity he’s not a stonemason. Maybe things would have been built by now if he had been.
Nice deflection from topic Harlequin Ames to discuss the FM . Lets throw in Muslims, Christians, same sex marriage, and everyone will totally forget the topic and the worry that thousands of investors are facing. Incredible!
Yat –
Pursuant to your 12:pm post…How’s the weather?
(Totally off topic unless part of the cliff at Merricks collapses)
For once Yatinkiteasy I have to agree with you.
@Sid
Agreed….
Clogging and non sequitur spring to mind – anything to get the thread off-topic.
Chantal: Tropical Storm Warning in effect for Barbados and SVG for the next 48 hours. Stay safe everyone.
I hope Ames is a member of the magic circle as well as he needs to pull a very big rabbit from a very small hat!
@Anon…Chantal passed about 45 miles North at 8 am , so all we are having is a bit of rain..a normal London day.The Storm Warning remains in effect for some unknown reason. Talk about an unproductive and lazy Government! They cancelled Parliament meeting today.Nothing really important to debate I guess.
Don’t under estimate the power of the.
Provisional Highest Inspector Gravitas (PHIG)
This is the Fraction Ames and his cronies subscribe to.
Yat – Thanks…saved by the Coriolis Effect once again.
Day minus 3……….
Will the Freemason’s step in and save the day?
The problem as I see it with Freemasonry, and Mr Ames, when they have their charitable collection, he would take more out than he put in 😉
Masons first, now Erica’s Broughton’s words of wisdom!!
Right I need you all to think about this.. If instead of taking commissions IFA got a “free” deposit on a unit that would mean that for every one sold there would be a “free” one also? so as the IFAs are keeping quiet at the moment.. in effect that would mean only half of the purchasers would to my mind be true “purchasers” so maybe that is why we do not have the true figures as half the units are freebies?
This idea will probably appear somewhere else as somebody else’s idea! lol like the units being sold over and over again!
I might have this all wrong but at one meeting I went to a IFA did leave when told he would not be represented by the solicitor, at another meeting a IFA did say they had joined RL along with their IFA chums only to find out what was going on and that they were happy with Harlequin.
With due respect to post by “all seeing eye” [July 8, 2013 at 7:56 pm]
Not exhaustive but, for example:
“Grand Master Flash and the Furious Five (thousand)” [June 30, 2013 at 8:46 pm] In Freemasonry a Grand Master is the leader of the lodges within his Masonic jurisdiction.
G.A.O.T.U. [July 6, 2013 at 4:24 pm] Freemasons refers to God as “Great Architect of the Universe” or the G.A.O.T.U.
The Apprentice [July 1, 2013 at 1:29 pm] as in Entered Apprentice Mason
So mote it be [July 1, 2013 at 2:34 pm] – AMEN: From the Hebrew meaning “verily, truly, certainly.” One person confirms the words of another. Masonically, answered by “So mote it be.”
Shibbo [July 2, 2013 at 3:58 pm] see SHIBBOLETH: An ear of corn; a test word; a watchword.
Sid [July 2, 2013 at 4:07 pm] @Shibbo, and a handshake. Don’t forget the handshake. A handshake from Ames is as good as any contract.
The Great Architect, of the Carribean [July 2, 2013 at 4:16 pm] in Masonic ritual God is called the “The Great Architect of the Universe”
Le grand architecte, des Caraïbes [July 3, 2013 at 9:20 pm] as above.
Leth [July 3, 2013 at 9:21 pm] SHIBBOLETH: An ear of corn; a test word; a watchword.
In Strength [July 2, 2013 at 10:36 am]
“The import of the word” [July 2, 2013 at 10:38 am]
The left hand porchway [July 6, 2013 at 2:54 pm] – the left hand porchway [Worshipful Master]…the left hand pillar at the porchway / entrance of King Solomon’s Temple – also known as Boaz.
“…The import of the word is – In Strength; pass BOAZ places Candidate’s right hand in left hand of Junior Deacon and sits.”
Tubal Cain [July 2, 2013 at 12:35 pm / July 6, 2013 at 5:35 pm] – is a password “[Tubal Cain – the first artificer in metals]. The import of the word is worldly possessions. You must be particularly careful to remember this word as without it you cannot gain access into a Lodge in a superior degree.” “…WM: Then I will entrust you with a test of merit, which is a pass grip and pass word leading to the Degree to which you seek to be admitted. Rises, faces Candidate, and takes the latter’s right hand in his own right hand and holds it. The pass grip is given by a distinct pressure of the thumb between the second and third joints of the hand. The pass grip demands a pass word, which is Tubal Cain. [Describes part of ceremony of initiation into the freemasons].
KST [July 6, 2013 at 4:57 pm] KST = King Solomon’s Temple
SD [July 6, 2013 at 5:30 pm] SD = Senior Deacon
The Junior Warden [ July 6, 2013 at 6:45 pm] Junior Warden -The third of the principal officers is the Junior Warden (or Second Warden)
Hoodwinked [July 6, 2013 at 10:10 pm] @The Junior Warden They are a strange pair, birds of a feather flock together and all that A most repugnant person indeed. Must go, go now someone knocking on the door.
A Masonic hoodwink is a type of blindfold used in Masonic rituals of initiation. “Freemasons are hoodwinked immediately with the very first oath they take as an Entered Apprentice.
“Birds of a feather” is an allusion to something Masonic and also “someone knocking on the door” refers to “The Three Distinct Knocks” – when you enter a Lodge you must knock 3 times at the door…
PPGM [July 7, 2013 at 5:36 pm] PPGM = Past Provincial Grand Master
Inner Guard [July 8, 2013 at 6:30 pm] – The office of ‘Inner Guard’ (or Inside Sentinel) is mandatory in UK lodges, but rare in American lodges.
The Gavel [July 8, 2013 at 6:35 pm] = Masonic gavel
Read also – “FDNRM and WTF are not in the circle of truth” [July 8, 2013 at 6:38 pm] And “A Cautionary Tale [July 8, 2013 at 6:46 pm] “@ Lord Haw Haw Ames is a Past Master and his ramblings are veiled in allegory…” “… they cannot say the word “truth”. When they attempt to they say a word sounding like “looth”. Truth is not a word they understand.
At the conclusion of his limited term of office, a Worshipful Master is termed a Past Master. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masonic_Lodge_Officers%5D
re: “Veiled Allegory” see http://www.linshaw.ca/v12/omtp/vol11no05.pdf.
“looth” = Luth?
The Ancient Mariner [July 8, 2013 at 6:49 pm] re: Freemasons lodge – the Royal Ark Mariners?
Jachin [July 8, 2013 at 7:30 pm] Boaz and Jachin = the two pillars on either side of the porch / entrance to King Solomon’s Temple [see freemasonry]… Jachin’s the one on the right.
Ceremony of initiation “Tyler – prepares Candidate and when ready to proceed with Ceremony gives three distinct knocks. By giving the Entered Apprentice knocks with longer intervals the Tyler indicates that the Candidate is ready…”
Interesting to re-read their posts [and yours] with this in mind and a further understanding of their relationship to eachother and to David Ames / Harlequin.
Some refs:
http://freemasonrywatch.org/tubalcain.html [re: Secret Password of a Freemason]
http://www.masonicworld.com/education/files/masonicdictionary2.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So_mote_it_be
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masonic_Lodge_Officers#Junior_Warden
http://www.masonic-lodge-of-education.com/entered-apprentice-mason.html
http://www.masonicdictionary.com/hoodwink.html
http://www.masonic-lodge-of-education.com/masonic-hoodwink.html
http://www.masonic-lodge-of-education.com/masonic-gavel.html
http://www.masonicdictionary.com/past.html [re: past master]
http://www.pglwilts.org.uk/royal-ark-mariner
http://www.bilderberg.org/First_Degree.htm
Click to access vol11no05.pdf
etc etc etc
Clearly she is ill
I get the impression as time moves on uncle Dave needs all the help he can get – but not too many offers on the table….
Day -3 and counting…….
WTF has he told you what the great master plan is? thought not 😉
LLSMITB – If you were of any relevance to this whole saga you would know that yes, I did speak with Dave Ames yesterday just after mid-day. We had a lengthy discussion, I mentioned you and he confirmed that Neil had kept him abreast of your posts but considered you were a trouble causer not a mole. he said he did have a dim office junior working there and it could be him making mischief.
Anyway if you are genuine you still have the opportunity to prove it, go to the reception get the visitors book and tell me what day last week I visited the office. If you know me I’m sure you would have seen me.
Also, rather that taking the higher ground in this forum, what is/was your role at Harlequin in this supposed fraud?
Also why is it OK to take a salary in this fraud, if you know that is what it is, taking money from the investors? How can you criticise FDNRM for taking a return on his investment when you take a salary from a company that you say isn’t genuine.
Think the quickest answer is your a bullshitter
@LLMINWB? “I might be wrong” then talk facts not some innuendo. If you talked facts you might be believable, but in reality you know nothing do you.
Ames is a Freemason.
Look at the names of his resorts. All Masonic code words. You lot are very slow catching on.
I bet WTF is a mason. Cleared up his problem with the police without any fuss.
He can call Dave up whenever he wants to. Who else can do that ?
Has a “special” deal – not many have.
All in all, this adds up to one thing. The main players are on the level.
Nikki Crozier and Erica Broughton are not as they are the wrong sex.
Let’s see who else runs to his support. I bet they are a mason as well.
I bet WTF is a mason.
The “Bird Table” is significant in the 4th and 5th Degree. Google it.
Erica misunderstood the true significance and thought WTF was looking at her Bird Table.
Brother WTF – have you anything for us ?
@WTF.
You did not visit last week & how would I know when you called? I do know Dave is getting pissed off with you calling him.
Ames thinks you’re a bit of a pillock along with his management team..
There is only you who thinks they know what’s going on – You don’t not by a long shot.
THIS WAS FOR THE ERICA FURUM BUT CAN’T LOGIN?
I cannot find any information on this blog for legal advice other than CPC, so this is what I know and contact details for the main firms that are dealing with Harlequin.
I don’t give two hoots who you use, I don’t have any kickbacks or benefit from it.
Don’t take what I say as gospel, do your own homework, I don’t have the time to hand hold. And I won’t recommend anyone. Its my opinion, please correct me if I am wrong on any point.
Hope it helps, maybe if you have experience of these firms post it, would be helpful?
http://www.riskwarning.co.uk
Is somehow linked to Reg Legal, who via Risk Warning, is linked to Chambers No 5, so no doubt some referral work going on, not a bad thing, they all work together.
http://www.regulatorylegal.co.uk
http://www.harlequininvestorgroup.co.uk
Seem to be giving Harlequin a bad time have about 1200 people on their site, possible know more than most about Harlequin than any other law firm.
Gareth Fatchett, seems pretty bright and won’t give up. They do a fee based charge or no win no fee. Seem to prefer the Sipp / mis selling claims.
http://www.pannone.com
http://www.pannone.com/people/kit-sorrell
Big law firm, have links back to Reg Legal, done high profile work, aggressive well respected. Will do fee or no win no fee, sipp claim, mis selling and will be going for the IFA’s personally. They seem to work hand in hand with Reg Legal. Fees 10% + they claim for loss of interest etc.
http://www.propertyproblemsabroad.co.uk
CPC is ran by Nikki Crozier, who works for a solicitor from Carter Camerons.
http://www.cartercamerons.com/who-are-we/partners/chris-corney
Nikki looks after the clients and gets the information don’t think she is a solicitor. Chris Corney does the legal stuff, Chris got a freezing order against Ames for £1.1million, this has yet to go to trial. So far so good. They don’t do the Sipp mis selling as far as I can make out.
The amount of clients they can take on is limited. They charge up-front fees of about £5000, don’t know if this is fixed or can increase.
http://www.tslconsultancy.com
Claim to have had some success in suing Harlequin in the Caribbean no idea if it’s true, they had contract details for six months and never got anything back, wanted upfront fees …. Caution.
Interesting how high Freemasonry goes.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-528751/Freemasons-open-lodge-Buckingham-Palace–Queen-isnt-amused.html
What I can tell you is that the recent gathering of unit numbers and cross checking them to see if they have been sold several times has got people really worried.
This is not something Ames could have done himself, this may explain why certain people have not left yet and are still loyal to Harlequin 🙂 It would have needed a number of people to pull this off and cover it up.
If it were true, a number of people would be in very very deep trouble indeed.
I have been banned from the Erica forum, no explanation, no email, what’s wrong with that woman!
She lost yet another moderator….. fed up of half truths was the quote.
Just for not agreeing with her…. what control freak she is……
@FDNRM
Can I join your cult as I am not loved by the Wigan bunker, but I don’t want to shave off all my hair, and do you allow females?
I understand you have be disbarred too?
LLSMITB – your a fake go away, I was I. The office midweek.
Stop filling people’s heads with rubbish its not fair and its only for your own fun.
You were caught out months ago when an investor called in and you said both Carol and Dave were in the office, when in fact carol wasn’t around.
As for your comment on what Daves management team think, that’s funny because I have never spoken to any apart from SimonTerry.
As for speaking to Dave he calls me about once a week regarding issues you are aware of and I call about the same. I don’t care what you say Dave thinks I have known him long enough to know the truth.
Stop playing games and go away.
I take it that because you couldn’t verify the visitor book, and don’t receive a salary from Harlequin you haven’t managed to answer any questions, why don’t you take a picture of the office on your phone and post it?
I know and so does everyone else! You see obsessed in posting bullshit to me, why the interest?
@another one bites the dust. You are more than welcome to joine the Harli Krishna cult. You must be prepared to sell CDs on a Saturday and join in the initiation ceremony. As there are only 2 of us at present it could be a somewhat intermate affair. It sound like you were banned like me, no warning no e mail. The woman is barking. Which mod left?
@FDNRM
Many Thanks 😉 I hope the initiation ceremony does not include anything to weird 🙂
I was Janey, she seemed alright, said she was fed up with half truths and lies.
Erica has gone nuts it must be said….. all getting a bit much for her. there is naff all on the blog of any use anyway – and that’s pretty much what I said, I asked why only Crozier was being promoted.
= banned
The truth is AOBTD it was because you was registering using multiple ID’s on the forum when you already have one account. The rules do say 1 member per email/ Ip address as you registered as someone else I banned the IP address which banned your other account. If you followed the forum rules you wouldn’t of had that problem. I have now unbanned your IP address so you should be able to get back on. You can only have 1 ID that is the rule.
Harlequininvestorforum
I only had one ID, but different IP addresses.
The when I could not login in re registerd keeping the same name with a 2 on the end.
I am still banned?
@harlequininvestorforum, so why was Sportingman banned? Going to answer that one. One name, one ID. Answers please.
@Another one bites the dust. At least you have had an answer, initiation ceremony, bit of chanting, few josh sticks, sticking needles in a doll. I could come up with a few more suggestions, but we don’t want weirdos joining, people who might call the police etc.
Seems that Chilling Effects is processing a Harlequin related C and D following a submission to Google. – No news of what it was about but some cash must still be available for the briefs. Wonder what that is all about? – we’ll probably find out in the Panorama update. 😉
@WTF.
You know what you have said is simply untrue.
Why would Ames take you seriously when all you do is write on here what he told you – he was not happy when he knew about the messages from you to Erica.
If you do speak so much give us some real info 🙂
Why did you do that if he is such a mate? strange way to behave.
The hidden meanings of Harlequin….. each communication contains messages, not see by anyone not spent many years a Freemason.
These are only two.
H Hotel – HOODWINK: A blindfold which is a symbol of secrecy; mystical darkness.
Buccament Bay….. a strange word, full of hidden Masonic meaning
B EEHIVE
U NMASONIC
C ABLETOW
C LANESTINE
A RCHITECT
M ERIDIAM
E MBLEM
N OBLES
T OKEN
B OAZ
A LL SEEING-EYE
Y ORK RITE
Blue Hotel – whats the main color for Masonic regalia?
Yes Blue.
LLSMITB – I see you failed to answer any if my questions, so why I bother replying to you I don’t know!
The abuse that was directed at Erica was not by me if you recall it was ETOPP a different person who has been banned off here.
To make it clear Dave Ames has never asked me to post anything on here, he also has never asked me not to post either. Clear?
As for whether he was bothered what was written on here about Erica it would be fair to say he couldn’t be less interested. Dave has no interest in Erica at all.
The reason I have not enlightened you on conversations with Dave is because all you will say is I’m wrong. Dave has confirmed to me your a fake and not genuine.
Now answer my questions or stop pestering me all the time
Day minus two…. what ya gonna do?
@ Neil @ harlequin who WTF says passes my comments onto Dave.
Dave how will you explain selling villa’s again and again, even giving the same ones away to agents??
But, not refunding the deposits? 😉
Very naughty that is…..
Bro. Leaky Leaky Squeaky mole in the bunker
LLSMITB – if you were actually in the bunker and not a profane you would know that Neil Outram reports to Dave Ames who sits in the East.
@WhostheHoodwink?
You will of course be aware I need to be cautious, or I could show signs of distress.
@Erica Broughton.
Could you please give an update regarding the Police investigation you mentioned about the person following you and looking over your fence etc
In the interests of transparency I have changed my name to
Bro. Leaky Leaky Squeaky mole in the bunker
@BLLSM
I am glad you have felt capable of confirming your membership of the craft.
I have obtained a copy of the Essex Masonic Year Book. The Chigford Lodge 4765 has a one “WM D Ames” in the chair. This must be Dave Ames. There are no other Ames’s in Essex with that name.
Now if I look at the membership of the lodge in the Year Book, there is a one ” Bro R Ingham – Inner Guard”. Surely WTF is not a member of the same lodge ?
It would explain the blind allegiance.
I have not been able to find out more, but I am digging.
This is all very silly.
What’s wrong with being a mason ?
The problem with being a mason is that they hide secrets from us all.
Most investors are not masons, but ordinary hard working people.
If Ames is a senior mason, it would explain the protection he is getting.
Ask Neil Outram how his Press Complaints Commission complaint went !
Oh dear – rejected !
@FDNRM.
The Duke of Kent could pull a few strings for Ames who has indeed held some very high positions throughout his 41 year Masonic career.
All of the legal time Ames surrounds himself with are high ranking Freemasons, why would the very posh Heffen Rees QS be outstanding £200k and still represent him?
Because the Brotherhood will pick up the tab 😉
James Cannon Member of Lodge of Probity Number 3452 St Albans (PPSD)
If this is all true, or even half – that would explain why Ames is so utterly bullet proof.
He has every base covered.
@All Pure Hooeey!
Can point left right tell us if the head of the SFO and the Chief Constable of Essex are Freemasons ??
Do free masons ever go to jail?
There has been absolutely no evidence put forward that Freemasonry has had any impact on the Harlequin train crash (or non-train crash at the moment).
Mr Ames may be a Mason: so might Mr Cannon. That proves nothing.
If you believe the Masons theory, you will also be interested in my view that the only reason 6,000 intelligent people went off their heads and invested in Harlequin is because alien beings are beaming mind-numbing rays towards Earth as part of their plan to attack and conquer us.
I have no hard evidence of this but it seems to be the only explanation for what has gone on.
@WOW.
I need strict caution when answering this question. It will be certain that members of the Brotherhood will be employed by both organisations.
@Yatinkiteasy
Yes Masons do go to jail.
However, if a fellow Police officer steps in, or the witness, drops the case, or the judge, or the solicitor, is on the level etc etc It can prove a little tricky as you can imagine.
Freemasonry, is connected to every job,every profession at every level, Worldwide.
A Mason can go virtually anywhere in the world and find a lodge where he will be greeted with open Arms, like an old friend, these Lodges will be full of important people.
So fill in the blanks yourself……
@St George’s Dragon
Do you have a report?
uh huh – someone’s been shaking the stupid tree again – look what fell out!
@BBaywatch.
was FDNRM in it? 😉
On the ‘Erica blog’, they have an insolvency practitioner masquerading as an investor giving advice on technical issues.
I think they are trying to get ‘first dibs’ if HP goes bust.
Sorry to disappoint, but that job should it happen, is taken by a fellow craft and it just so happens your not 😉
Day minus 1 😉 any news ?
Does anyone know if the the Director of HMSSE will be at the creditors meeting? ie Mrs Ames….. Or will Dave Ames go and play ‘shadow director’ as he often does, overshadowing his family as usual.
By the sound of it it will be more of a Masonic Lodge meeting!
The lemmings on the other moaning minnie forum, have yet to come up with a single constructive comment, their only solution is CPC,
Now, someone please put me straight, £5k upfront win or lose, if they lose they could pay Ames costs.
It’s not gone to trial yet and she has what, 20 clients? 25 ? So, last estimate there were about 6000 investors – so could someone please explain what’s so good about this deal?
Unless of course the mighty Erica is getting something out of it? Free advice? commissions?
They only want to force HMSSE and HP into liquidation – driven by hate and revenge. If a rescue package was offered they would try to scupper it.
Alistair Burns Director of TaylorMade,
Past Provincial Grand Superintendent of Works lodge 3666 Dundee
@St George’s Dragon, your theory sounds believable, I’m with you on that. But I’m sure someone like FDNRM will want evidence. Do you have proof?
I posted a commented about the masons on here yesterday but it didn’t get published. Leaky Leaky is right, they’re everywhere!
Proof: I have lots but this chap has left Harlequin.
The things people put on Linkedin
Have a look at this, the website : Freemasonry and tell me I am making things up.
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/cliff-jones-cpo-ppo-cp-team-medic/2a/513/143
@St George’s Dragon, just an afterthought, but do you think the imperial leader of the alien invaders could also be a freemason? That could explain why they are helping Brother Ames?
@Leaky Leaky Squeaky Squeaky, what are we supposed to looking at? I am not connected to this guy so can’t see any detail.
@ SID Bottom line – He was HP security Director and Ames body guard.
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Surely adding the Freemason’s to your recommended sites is a bit public for a secret society? I actually think you’re right. I’m sure all the HP game players are linked to the masons and they probably all do scratch each others backs and give each other work. But I’m sure when it’s crunch time it won’t keep them out of prison. You said yourself they are starting to show signs of nerves, which doesn’t make them sound too confident that the brotherhood will protect them.
@Sid, It’s certainly not considered the ‘done thing’ by many Mason’s.a bit too blatant.
A little like wearing your masonic ring swiveled round the wrong way in public.
Some Mason’s are pretty extreme, but not the majority. However, its the most senior one’s by definition have the most power.
Jimmy Savile for instance!
http://www.intmensorg.info/inevidence.htm
Indeed?
http://www.masonicmeetings.info/venues.php
Pretty wide spread
Cliff Jones link to Freemasonry, does not work now – that’s pretty impressive stuff.
This witch hunt has gone on for long enough, if you want to read a balanced view on it look at the following link.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17272611
If I become a mason will he have to give me my money back?
Ames did say he would fix it for me to own a luxury property in the Caribbean and have a secure financial future….then f@cked me hard when I wasn’t expecting it. It must be a mason thing.
Thanks for that JB. Now that I have been educated in the ways of the Masons, I have opted not to join so will instead follow FDNRM’s new Krishna rising.
AN ACTUAL EXAMPLE, OF A HIDDEN MEANING.
How many times have you heard Ames say, Harlequin will be more ”Open and transparent” in particular during investors meeting?
He is addressing Freemasons, with secret terms and words, they take years to master. He is saying he will get more masons involved – that’s in essence what it means
Have a look at an office statement from Grand Lodge, from Jim Bakers
BBC post
On Friday, the United Grand Lodge of England, the largest Masonic group in Britain, publishes its first independent report. The Future of Freemasonry, researched by the Social Issues Research Centre, aims to start an “open and transparent” discussion ahead of the group’s tercentenary in 2017.
The accountants name that’s working for Harlequin is called Jim Baker?
Maybe I should asked him to count how many units sold V’s Deposits taken?
Eleven Capital is out
@Septic
As in no longer looking for finance?
Come on Sherlock. You should have worked it out for yourself by now!
I did have a communication about Jamie Cannon from Eleven Capital having a little tiff with Bro. Dave.
I think its a pretty fair assumption that they are no longer working for Harlequin in its current fund raising activities.
You could always ask WTF as he always says i am a fake. 😉
He is the real fake, in more ways than one……
@Sid
‘There is nothing like first-hand evidence.’ and BLLSMITB may just have it
me thinks pro Harelquin is a double agent group and the team behind it are acting in concert with ol’ blue eyes
I did it my way !!!!
Who said that
Ionesco could publish the past 969 posts as a brilliant play of
the absurd……..(would’nt need to change a word)
Admin Report also ain’t dealing with key key things! Eleven out? Guess they woke up there! and now, the end is indeed near BUT not for investors if they work out that there might be a different way to “the only way is Essex”!!!
You need to be aware of many sayings, foot to foot, eye to eye, left to right, cheek to cheek -there are literally hundreds of secret, terms used in Masonic circles.
Some even used innocently by non Masons, the 3rd degree, hoodwinked, on the level, these all have far reaching consequences and meaning to Freemasons.Often hidden in text or messages.
I have been sold a cabana in Oz – is this close to St Vincent
and my ol ‘ mate has a cabana promised in Thailand
Harelquin has many companies – how did they get so much money if they haven’t finished selling the original ones in the caribbean..
This is a global empire and it appears to be run by one man with beautiful blue eyes ….
I’ve heard many, many people calling David Ames a complete c@nt. What does that mean in Masonic circles?
FDNRM and WTF have gone very quiet. That can only mean one thing. They must be members of an elite and privileged organisation. The Barmy Army!
let me tell you
should have gone to specsavers when I read that cabana contract
Freddie the flipper
tax-payer/state bail-out on the cards? perhaps Wavy Davy Ames can “sell the dream” to Osbourne? anyone checked that the ‘Brazil’ land isn’t Ronnie Biggs old gaff? Love this one….watch it often with a bottle of scotch:
http://uk.video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KLqIrZy95R9UkAP_x2BQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTByZWc0dGJtBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQDBGdwb3MDMQ–?p=david+ames+harlequin&vid=76472ba884571da94cb440320c57d618&l=10%3A00&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DV.4671181743587476%26pid%3D15.1&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DYiGy4Tg-LOE&tit=David+Ames+presents+the+Harlequin+Business+Model&c=0&sigr=11anhl92m&age=0&fr=yfp-t-702-s&tt=b
Can’t the masons all chip in a tenner each to get things back on track?
this was the link
http://uk.video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KLqImrzN5REksA.kZ2BQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTByZWc0dGJtBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQDBGdwb3MDMQ–?p=david+ames+harlequin&vid=76472ba884571da94cb440320c57d618&l=10%3A00&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DV.4671181743587476%26pid%3D15.1&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DYiGy4Tg-LOE&tit=David+Ames+presents+the+Harlequin+Business+Model&c=0&sigr=11anhl92m&age=0&fr=yfp-t-702-s&tt=b
@Bitter, I expect the scotch helps?
Thanks to Mr Ames helping me part with my had earned cash, I have had to re-think my pension fund….which is now a bottle of whisky and a shotgun.
It’s the only pension plan that is guaranteed to give the expected return on investment.
All,
Update
As we have previously informed you, Harlequin has been working with a number of parties to explore restructuring options for both investors and Harlequin’s overseas companies to ensure effective delivery of investments. Harlequin is now is in advanced discussions with Regulatory Legal Solicitors (“R Legal”) which represents both the Harlequin Investor Group (“HIG”) and individual investors to work towards securing a plan to protect the future of Harlequin and its investors.
Whilst it is fair to say that the parties have not always seen eye to eye in recent months, it is clear that the parties acknowledge that conflict is counterproductive and seek to avoid such conflict. The intention to achieve the best outcome for investors has to be the priority. Therefore, all investors need to be focused on a sensible solution which deals with all types of investors.
The final plan will give investors transparency and a greater say on how funds are raised and spent on construction. Once the plan is agreed and implemented, it is envisaged that the main source of funds for construction will be monies from completions and external finance. In order for this to happen, investors and financiers need to feel confident in the future of Harlequin.
Harlequin is confident that the final plan will satisfy investor requirements and provide investors with long term security moving forwards. Once all of the details have been agreed, the plan will be presented jointly at investor meetings. By the end of July, we aim to publish the dates of these meetings.
Harlequin, R Legal will keep investors regularly updated throughout the process.
Regulatory Legal Solicitors
Harlequin Investor Group
Visit Regulatory Legal Solicitors at: http://harlequininvestorgroup.co.uk/?xg_source=msg_mes_network
@Sid, I’m not going to comment on something I know nothing about. It’s all utter bollox.
Could that explain why Eleven Caplital are no longer in the frame? Perhaps Ames really has recognised that his only hope is to work with investors. And does that explain why the HP supporters have been so quiet? Perhaps been called off by Ames as he is now working with HIG.
What, the Barmy Army? I can assure you my friend they are alive and well and in full voice at Trent Bridge.
Either everyone is getting an early night, or they’re all at a lodge meeting and we’re the only ones “not in the club”.
(early night in preparation for the creditor meeting tomorrow, I mean)
I did mention the secret words used; did you spot them in the resent update from Harlequin?
”eye to eye”
All seeing eye…..
July 11, 2013 at 2:54 pm
You need to be aware of many sayings, foot to foot, eye to eye, left to right, cheek to cheek -there are literally hundreds of secret, terms used in Masonic circles.
Some even used innocently by non Masons, the 3rd degree, hoodwinked, on the level, these all have far reaching consequences and meaning to Freemasons.Often hidden in text or messages.
To be fair regarding the update with HP and RL why would anyone be against it?
The alternative is certain liquidation, especially as it’s pretty obvious finance is very difficult with all this investor unrest.
This way something can be salvaged and some credible reporting and build process.
Its the ‘Wigan bunker mentality’ that will not be prepared to even entertain any type of rescue plan.
That’s because it leaves Mr Ames testicles intact and no public hanging.
They will end up ironically spoiling it for everyone, just a bunch of amateurs.
By the way, how was your holiday paid for?
I see that the Panglossian dept of the BB review machine is churning out the reviews again – in anticipation of an agreement with the mugs (sorry, typo – investors) today? One even mentions Harlequin Air as being likely to operate in 2013!
No mention of the power cuts of course – though that would be reported as a ‘romantic fine dining experience’ I don’t doubt.
“To be fair regarding the update with HP and RL why would anyone” – believe it – I think were the words that you were looking for
I read WTF is a Mason attached to the same lodge Ames, that would explain his support.
The real test will be the Police investigation Erica started about following her and spying over her fence – will that be all ”hushed up”
Erica have you anything, a communication?
@the question, expect a caution for wasting police time for Erica. If it is hushed up it won’t be by the police.
@lets give it a go, There is nothing to salvage. Have you read the Shipley report? It isn’t a business and never was. HMSSE is a “cashflow business” (Ames words) meaning it need a constant supply of new investors to operate. It was a Ponzi scheme, and now the investor money has been cut off, it collapsed. No one can save a ponzi scheme, not RL, not HIG, this was doomed from the outset.
Liquidate it and hold the directors to account.
@KTSS
Yes I have seen it. But if the IP’s call in the inter-company loans ( and they could) BB is finished. So a CVA can stop that, or is that what you want the whole thing to go tits up?
It seems to be the only choice they have now?
http://www.ifaonline.co.uk/ifaonline/news/2281261/harlequin-in-advanced-restructuring-talks-with-investors
“Discussions are now in “advanced” stages, according to the law firm. It said it envisaged that the main source of funds for construction of the overseas properties will be further investor monies from completions and external finance.”
Given the huge amount of money that it has taken to build the tiny fraction of the total number of units now completed, how will investors monies from completions cover the rest of the build, the compensation to those sold units in countries where nothing will happen and the even bigger marketing budget that will be required to remove the stench of failure surrounding this operation?
Does everyone who becomes involved with Harlequin park their brains by the door before entering?
BBrainless.
Tedium.
9000 investors that’s a new one.
http://www.moneymarketing.co.uk/investments/harlequin-administrators-leave-investors-in-limbo-over-claims/1074293.article
@BBaywatch. Why don’t you just give it up. Same old, same old. Many people on BOTH sides of the spectrum are trying to work out some sort of rescue plan. Anything new to say or are just we going to keep getting your same old rhetoric?
@lgiag, its going to go tits up whether any one wants it to or not. It was never viable. BB is teetering on collapse now, calling in the inter company loans will make no difference, the money isn’t there to pay for even the basics.
All this CVA talk is just giving people false hope. It can be hard to look the facts in the face when you have lost so much, but the show is over. Only liquidation will provide the answers people want.
Did everyone pick up the point from Shipleys in the MoneyMarketing article posted by That Woman @ 3.21 pm?
Harlequin and Shipleys have consistently said that HMSSE just acted as an agent and passed the money from investors to the Caribbean resort companies. On that basis, investors did not look as though they were actually creditors in the administration.
Shipleys now appear to be saying that investors could have a claim against HMSSE for misrepresentation. If they could make that case out they would be creditors and would have a place in the administration.
I don’t know if it will make any difference, bearing in mind the lack of any cash anywhere and the uncertainty about the CVA but it is certainly an interesting development.
@Keep the story straight
I take it you are a professional trained to make such sweeping statements and are in possession of all the facts to back it up?
If not don’t come out with such utter tosh!
@St George’s Dragon
I think you will find the Brethren have a united approach on matters and transparency is the key to all deals.
Guess how or who Erica paid for her holiday? And it wasn’t her credit card 😉
Why don’t you club together and give the investors who asked for it their money back? Then the rest of you can all carry on with your deluded dreams. A real pity about the local people who got swindled in this racket – not that you give a damn.
Where is the money coming from to run BB?
LLMITWB – What are you getting at? What does it matter how Erica paid for her holiday. How do you pay for yours?
To: SGD-EL2-BBaywatch-Yatinkiteasy
It is beyond me how ANY rescue plan can take place without a total
audit of all the seperate island corporations. I have been a supplier to
BB, Merricks & HHotel. I have been privy to the “spec book” or finish
schedule on parts of all three. I know for a fact that I have shipped material
on a Buccament PO that was used at HHotel. I know for a fact that I have
shipped material to HHotel that was used at Merricks. ALL the payment
funds came out of the SAME pot. Therefore how can there be a rescue
plan for Buccament when a lot of the money came from deposits for
units at Merricks? Or vise versa —-quite like a three shell monte ruse.
That’s why I keep saying there has to be a total forensic audit on each and
every scheme. I addressed this to the four of you above because you
seem to be the less emotional and more thoughtful posters.
@Anonymous
July 12, 2013 at 5:36 pm
Quite so, the accounts are missing and the relationship between the companies opaque to put it mildly, if I saw a single iota of evidence that any of those (individuals, organisations or representatives of investors) were even aware of the flaws surrounding the original business plan I might (might, I stress) be persuaded that there was some chance of a ‘rescue’ plan (or any plan at all) having a small chance of succeeding. However there is absolutely no evidence that any of those involved have the slightest idea of what they are doing or how they will tackle the problems besetting this business. Essential to any plan is sufficient credibility to persuade banks and other financial institutions to support the business – and there is nothing to suggest that this exists.
Like The Man said, “if it ain’t a mess it’ll do until the mess gets here” – and no sign of it getting any better.
@BBaywatch., “and there is little to suggest that this exists” and I thought you were a travell industry/hotel business person. Obviously not as knowledgable as you make out then.
We seem to be being presented with on the one hand Armageddon in the form of liquidation and a rescue plan leading all to the land of milk and honey on the other. It is a false dichotomy and the same kind of superficial rhetoric that persuaded many a sweaty palm to sign on the dotted line all those years ago.
Given the scarcity of resources and the long litany of negatives associated with this whole fiasco any “rescue plan” would be extremely limited in scope. Perhaps a touch more white sand sprinkled on Buccament Bay to try and eke out a few more pence in the pound but little more.
I would suggest that the difference between Armageddon and the land of milk and honey is a cigarette paper and those who disagree need to snap out of the collective state of denial that has surrounded this French farce from the outset.
I salute BBaywatch for his consistently eloquent attempts to shed some light where darkness prevails!
TICk TOCK, oh dear the clock did not strike today. For all those people hoping for liquidation. SUPRISE! It did not happen. Now we can get in the real world and get the rescue under way. Remember liquidation = nothing. Rescue = chance of something.
@Bbaywatch – what I think is being missed here at times, and you alluded to it, is that what is being rescued is perhaps not worth rescuing. BB must be losing money hand over fist from what I know about resorts in the region. I know Blu also is losing money. The locations where the land is owned are not suitable for any resort development, never mind the style of resort planned and sold by Harlequin. No resort on Marquis can work, Merricks would be very hard to make work, the Dom Rep is fiercely competitive with some massive chains there charging very little – very hard to break into that market. Why would you want to build what has been sold at this point? If purchasers can have a say now, it may well be best to force a liquidation of the assets and get something back sooner rather than chasing after a plan that will likely lead to larger losses. Perhaps the investor group is modifying what has been planned and will focus on making the 150 or so units at BB work, and not build anything more there for now, and will perhaps finish off H Hotel first to generate some form of cashflow. This might make sense, but then how do you reconcile with all those who have stat demands and want out now. Of course, noone need take my word for the viability of the sites owned by Harlequin, there are resort consultants who can advise on the various locations and style of resorts planned as to whether they will ever be profitable even if built, or whether they would be massive loss making entities like BB. The fact that the Ames have taken all investor money and done next to nothing with it, (other than enrich himself and his family and IFAs) sometimes clouds the fact that what he was planning was very ill conceived/poorly researched in the first place.
anon73 — why won’t any investor think about what you just wrote?
They believe in a dream and the dream is so so so flawed!
@ Anonymous 5.36 pm
I am sceptical about a rescue package, as any rescue must be founded on a business that can make money in the future. It does not look to me as though Harlequin is in a position to be a such a business.
Sometimes a CVA can work to strip out cost from a business that was not profitable, but I cannot see how that is the case with Harlequin. Harlequin is a business that needs to borrow money, not one that needs to cut cost (sales arm excepted with no sales in prospect).
I also cannot see how investors could think about entering into a “rescue” relationship with Harlequin in the absence of answers to the 34 questions. No one knows where the money came from; no one knows where the money went; no one knows if the two trading properties are making or losing money. That cannot be a reasonable basis for collaborating with a company which is accused by many of being less than honest.
I hope there is more going on behind the scenes than we know about.
On your point about purchases being “shared” across companies, that is common knowledge in Barbados. It is a shame that Government does not appear to want to do anything about it.
The original proposals for mega resorts of over 1000 rooms was never going to work, even in the heady days pre banking bust when the idea was conceived. If any advice had been taken, and acted on, HP would not have gone down that route, so one has to speculate as to the reasoning behind the business plan. It’s hard not to conclude that there was an intention to dupe investors and that the claims made were knowingly misleading.
Going forward, as Anon 73 has already mentioned, the developments in the DR and on St Lucia are unachievable which leaves BB, Blu, H Hotel and The Merricks. The Merricks is in the same category as DR and St Lucia and H Hotel probably the same. Which leaves BB and Blu to carry the burden of debt and repayments due to dissatisfied investors with legitimate claims. As a rescue plan requires a cash injection which can only come from investors paying completion fees, which requires further expansion which is not viable, then there is no finance available – it’s a perfect circle, like perpetual motion and equally impossible.
BB already needs maintenance, the white beach is wearing thin according to reports (surprise, surprise) and Blu will never do much more than break even and the Argyle airport isn’t going to be the cavalry riding over the hill to the rescue. Even HP supporters have said that there is no point expanding BB until the airport is functioning so yet another circle that cannot be squared. Whatever ‘plan’ emerges it’s going to have to be a very cunning one – perhaps we should refer to it as the ‘Baldrick” option?
@BBaywatch. I’m afraid you are wrong. There are other options, but you are far too negative and narrow viewed to consider them. Watch this space.
@169
Ames cynically targeted potential investors who were inexperienced and along with the greedy IFAs succeeded in fleecing thousands of people out of their pensions and life savings. The Harlequin business model is unregulated and investors might just as well have put their money on the favourite in a horse race. Ames & Co have continually lied about the progress of the resorts, for seven years have NEVER filed accounts in the Caribbean nations; even in the UK the accounts were heavily qualified by the resigning accountancy practise. Some of the investors are ignorant and greedy but most are unsophisticated in financial matters and have little knowledge of the Caribbean or the hotels and resorts industry – and continue to believe the lies coming out of the Harlequin PR machine and still hope the dream will come true.
It is shameful. The knock on effect to the Caribbean nations and their ecological environment is extremely worrying. Oh and guess and who gets to bail out the UK-based ‘investors’ if they lose their homes and life savings through their own folly? Yep, us UK tax payers. People deprived of their wages and income in the Caribbean will get sweet FA.
I rest my case. See above from FDNRM 8:44am.
@Nigel
Broughton is always in contact with a certain Irish builder, who would like HP to go down the pan, and then the court case would be dropped 😉 They are very ‘close’
Thanks LLMINTWB you just gave FDNRM something
to whine/obssess over for the next couple of days…as if it
matters at all to the end result
@EL2 and BBay.
Amazing how you can predict such a complex financial outcome with out having the facts – truly amazing. Its only after RL will ‘look at the books’ will we know if a rescue plan is viable.
Until then its only talk – before you come out with any more of your negative claptrap, wait until the facts emerge.
We need transparency.
@Anon 10.27 (that’s an original ID!) nothing to whine about. Everyone knows what Erica’s game is, her connection with the Irish builder, wasting police time, being Croziers agent. And no it won’t matter to the end result at all.
@EL2 what case would that be then? GAOTU has got it spot on. You know absolutely nothing about the real current situation.
@ FDNRM (but needs to)
” July 13, 2013 at 10:39 am
@EL2 what case would that be then? GAOTU has got it spot on. You know absolutely nothing about the real current situation.”
And this from an investor who spent a couple of hours having lunch at Buccament Bay (and had to pay for it too). Call that due diligence? Sadly you come across as a prime example of the type of inexperienced investor I am talking about.
@ GATOU, I agree wholeheartedly you need transparency. But what makes you think you are going to get it? And which books will RL be looking at? I doubt if the Caribbean accounts can be relied upon.
GAUTO says that it’s only after RL will look at the books will we know if a rescue plan is viable and FDNRM says he “has got it spot on”. Strange: FDNRM 8 July: “opening the books will prove nothing.” Unbelievable.
@EL2 I don’t quite see the connection you are trying to make. Are you saying I should not have paid for my lunch. Out of interest, have you had lunch at BB? Have you been to BB? The real situation I am referring to is the situation now, not in the past which is, as the word suggests, in the past.
“there are other options” are there? OK, maybe there are – and to be credible these will of course have been fully costed with predictions for future cash flow and growth and will have been backed up by up to date accounts? No?, didn’t think so – once again we are asked to believe that a select few have been vouchsafed information that must be kept secret from the world and that information holds the key to success and wealth. Laaard Laaard, we are back with those pesky masons again!
Until anything emerges that gives an ounce of credibility to HP – or Harlequin Hotels or Harlequin in any guise or form – I think that a reasonable person would be entitled to be completely sceptical.
However 32-4-6-8 etc the floor is yours, go ahead and prove it!
RL are not daft enough to take on a pile of crap, if it won’t work it liquidation and they can only decide when they have got the information – simple.
Unless you are of the ‘Wigan Bunker mentality’ and what it to fail at all costs.
A dangerous woman she is, will only be happy when its gone bust.
Within the parameters of legality (straining professional ethics to
the nth degree) RL will pursue the course that earns it the greatest
return. As long as they can keep this going the more they make. In
a way they share this trait with DA — me first, money providers next.
@El2 …you don’t understand, the situation now is not the same as in the past.
July 4th 2013 ….electrical service cut at a 5 star resort for non payment of bills.
June/july 2013, General manager , resort manger, executive chef and others left their wonderful jobs because they were not paid.
You must believe FDNRM , things at BB are fantastic! Not like in the “past”.
Anonymous
July 13, 2013 at 11:57 am
What’s wrong with that? Called business.
OK tell you what lets just let it go bust – happy now?
Plonker
@ Yatinkiteasy, can you explain how not all the power at the hotel was off, but some was still on?
Car batteries?
@FDMRM No, can you?
Did the staff half resign too?
What happened at the creditors meeting yesterday?
There were loads of brave words about ticking clocks in the run-up to the meeting. Did the clock go off?
Why no news?
@Yatinkiteasy
You are on the wrong forum, negative views are the only ones tolerated
on the Erica forum, it’s now been given a name;
” The Wigan bunker syndrome”
The use intimidation, hostility, bossiness, lies, delusion and paranoia .
People often allow blog Administrator to get their way because it’s easier to avoid confrontation than suffer their wrath!!!
The blog Administrator is an angry person who always needs to be right, or they will ban you from the forum. 😉 or make make silly pictures on Photoshop of you…………………
Its worth taking a little time to watch this:
Filthy Harlequin Scum at it again.
When you post from your i-phone there ain’t no hiding who you are!
Tut-tut there is an identity record of one of the nastiest posters yet.
@Yatinkiteasy
When I was at the last lodge meeting they were all pretty clean people, not at all filthy – that’s a very nasty offensive comment.
@Fatchett does not represent me.
July 13, 2013 at 10:39 am
I for once have to agree with you, that woman is deranged – you only need to go on the blog to pick that up.
I had the misfortune to experience the embarrassing episode at Warrington, when she would not shut up & her husband said he would kill Ames!!
Talk about embarrassment…..
And she is the ‘investors savior’ struggling with that one……….
Was meant to be.
St George – the RL statement from last week is what’s happening. just more smokescreens while they try to get the financial data the company will not produce. Lets deal in facts and try to get all the adolescents, secret agents and drunks off the blog. there wont be any news until the data gets released, dissected and analyzed, and I doubt if there will be much money left for distribution to people who gave them any money. in the meanwhile these weird little and drunken (obviously more than half the people on here are drunk all the time) statements – back and forth, Masons (? means NOTHING) will continue to distract from the issue at hand –
getting clear cut financial data released and FULL DISCLOSURE from Harlequin.
Unfortunately for all the ravers and bloggers keeping focus from the critical issues, that wont be coming any time soon, and when and if it ever does in a court, there wont be much left. Keep up the sanity, its refreshing.
Why would a person post such a clear, cogent and probably
prophetic statement and call him/her self septic tank? You
deserve a better moniker.
this blog has turned into a non constructive absurd septic tank filled with nonsense. there is no use in trying to be reasonable with the people on it except posters like St George. the idea is to try to make sense for a solution for Harlequin and its investors. the adolescent irrelevant rants about far out stuff like Masons just take up space and distract from useful input to a solution. what is needed is full disclosure on financial data and a plan put forth by some party for a solution. the rest of this drivel is just wasting time by a bunch of drunks and lunatics. add value here in an intelligent coherent manner for a solution with posts.
hopefully the administrator will see that and clean out the garbage that keeps floating around on this blog.
Financial statements from Harlequin’s Caribbean Operations have not been filed…. perhaps they have not been prepared at all, yet everyone is talking about a Rescue Plan based on the review of these non existent documents. This seems to very delusional to me . Wishful thinking is one thing but given the blatant lies told over the last 6 years, and given the physical assets that remain after approx £400 million has been taken from Investors, this rescue idea is sheer madness,
@Yatinkiteasy, I agree, the whole thing is a pipe dream. Ames can never be transparent because he knows the whole thing is a scam. No one can ever know the true numbers or he’ll be caught out.
And don’t forget another power bill will due at BB soon. Will “beautiful Buccament Bay” once again be plunged into beautiful darkness? Mind you if they don’t pay the airlines there probably won’t be any holiday makers there anyway.
Old news, but this is the type of info that can help sober, interested serious parties here, instead of some idiot swimming around in a gin bottle babbling and name calling and acting like 10 year olds.
Add value or stay in your rum bottle and keep your insults to yourself…
“We have yesterday (8th July 2013) terminated our Mandate with the Harlequin Group of companies (“HG”) authorising Eleven Capital Limited (“ECL”) to raise finance on HG’s behalf in order to complete its various Caribbean resorts.
We have taken this step as a lot of essential due-diligence information has not been provided to ECL by the director, David Ames, or his employees despite repeated requests for the same.”
Some excellent insight from the Pimlico Flats site. Scroll down to the comments starting on the 13th July 2013 (this thread has been running for some years):
http://www.pimlico-flats.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1838&start=260
On the one hand, we have a newly interested “friend-of-a-relative-who’s-an-investor” asking for advice, and receiving excellent advice in return. They raise their concern over the investment, mainly surrounding meadia reports, and the only problem Harlequin are responsible for seems to be missed completion dates. Or have I misread?
Strangely, this friend/relative of an investor posts forth some serious hard sell for Harlequin, and seems to have direct contact with important people who know what’s going on.
Most of their pro-Harlequin points are based on what the Harlequin salesman told them, but they can spell, and I only spotted one grammatical error. So I’m confused.
The thing that really, really bugs me is that this person believes Dave Ames should stay, and run the operation after re-structure.
Any guesses on who Anon_2 @ Pimlico Flats is? My money’s on either Katherine Manderville or Simon Terry.
interesting. thank you.
Yet again, no one is picking up on the critical issues.
Septictank posts that Eleven Capital has resigned from the finance raising role at Harlequin. That is big news (if true) because the reason stated for the resignation is because due diligence information has not been provided by Harlequin.
Yet another trusted advisor resigns because of a lack of information. The most likely reason for this would be the failure to produce accounts for the Caribbean resorts.
HIG cannot look at at any sort of deal with Harlequin unless it has all the accounts for the Caribbean. If Eleven can’t get them when they are an Ames appointment, how will HIG be able to?
So completion money is now required or investors lose everything they have put in, however how can you complete if clear title to the land is not available (any competent lawyer would advise not to until title is very very much confirmed), then what about, if true the units sold twice, how can you complete twice. Given the lack of accounts and loads, loads more information not released from BB, the court cases about completion money being paid will dag on for years HP will claim its due and if not paid you lose , the investors lawyer will claim that there is no clear title, therefore HP have failed to deliver.
These and other arguments will just go on for years, with any money just paying legal costs. and all these arguments being in courts in the Caribbean where corruption if common and court cases taking many many years
Get your sun lounger out and enjoy the uk sunshine, coz that’s the only dream you gonna see.
All this time will see DA & co continue with a nice lifestyle…coz you see time is the fraudsters most treasured thing. The clowns who seek to distract from reality with vile posts, masonic rants etc etc will no doubt flame me, enjoy I aint an investor.
It really is game over,
Oh and for the masonic bashers, they very much frown on dishonesty so there wont be any support for DA from that quarter (they will move to distance themselves from him, helping a struggling mason is one thing, supporting a fraudster…..well beyond the cause)
so mote it be
It is highly likely that the Caribbean company accounts are unauditable.
Imagine you pass 400m through HMSSE. Up to two thirds of that could have gone to agents, IFAs, Ames family and so on (10% of total sales price to agents, 10% to Ames/HMSSE leaving 10% of sales price to be sent to the Caribbean, or one third of the deposit money) That one third gets sent to the Caribbean for the following:
1. To build BB
2. To buy the Village Inn in St Lucia to turn into Blu
3. To buy Allamanda in Barbados to turn into H Hotel
4. To then buy materials for both and build H.
5. To fund US$1m per month losses at BB
6. To buy planes for Harlequin Air
7. To pay lawyers to fight claims of libel/silence critics
8. To pay mortgage of the purchasers (not investors)
9. To fund losses at Blu
The money that came over to the Caribbean was for purchases in 6 different resorts, possibly 8 with Blu and H hotel. Clearly the funds were not ringfenced, so unless records were kept perfectly, every invoice paid kept in different legers for each project for example, intercompany balances meticulously recorded (loans from deposits on DR resorts being used to fund losses at BB etc) then having a clearly understandable financial position will be impossible. I expect the simplest thing/only option is to have a general financial review done, draw a line at a certain date, work out the current balance sheet and go from there. You will not get 7 years of financials.
Further, given some of the wildly misleading marketing claims, the selling of property in Grenada that did not exist, the selling of property that was not owned or still does not have planning etc, and even more the constant deviating from plan to build random small hotels, would suggest a disorganised operation behind which are rarely clear accounts. It has been said people should not moan and come up with solutions. As tough as this may be to contemplate by purchasers, it would seem the most likely way to get money back other than vai claims via SIPP providers, IFAs, FOS, is to force liquidation and get a claim in. If all owners could come together coherently, work out a way to make BB and BLu break even or make profit, clear land disputes on the other land owned by HP, Ames walks away without protest, then possibly that can work but how will you get 6000 contracts ammended etc. In the meantime, this will keep dragging on until BB can pay no bills and it just shuts.
@anon73 agree with all you have said . As FDNRM says “watch this space”.
Here’s a novel idea but from what I have been reading on here about
the island governments probably a no-go out of the box. In the U.S.
the IRS (Internal Revenue Service) audits the books of companies for
cause constantly (and cause is whatever they say it is). Perhaps the
tax departments of St Vincent-Barbados-St Lucia-D.R could audit the
books of those HR companies registered in their sphere. After all
taxes are owed and need to be paid.
It should be obvious by now that DA has absolutely no intention of
“showing the books” to the investors………just an idea!
The Island Nations need to step up because fraud has bee committed
in their territory.
Re ElevenCapital. There is an assumption that Eleven capital have withdrawn because of lack of access to HP accounts. Perhaps I could put forward a different theory. Perhaps Eleven capital were unable to bring forth additional funding, perhaps DA said enough is enough, you are not doing it, bye bye. Do you think it would look good for Eleven Capital if they were bombed out for not being able to do what they were employed for? If that was the case I would be looking for a reason to boost my credibility.
bottom line…no data is available to determine the value of the whole program…without that financial information NOTHING HAPPENS..
delays and rope-a-dope…and the clock ticks and the months go by..
get that information to BEGIN valuation solutions FIRST..no doubt a court will have to get involved, which means LONG delays….so settle in for a long long wait…
simple as that…and btw Eleven Capital IS out…
from the rational posts here, it looks like the gin and rum ran out on this site and a lot of the raving has settled down…finally..
thank you
Every thing on here is opinion, no facts. So lets just see what out Brothers sort out 🙂 they are the only ones ‘in the know’
‘The Wigan Bunker’
Are having a ball, making silly pictures of Gareth Fattchet super imposed on Noel Edmonds body – ‘saying deal or no deal’. – its all very helpful.
Erica commented she would ‘poo poo’ any rescue package even if it were sensible……
Their only answer is the totally OTT promotion of Nikki Crozier from CPC, must really need those back handers 😉
What’s up the O’ Hallaran / Newman not chipping in now……
The wigan bunker is now an irrelevance. Erica will not be in a position to “poo poo” anything. Her sponsor Crozier has proved to be all hot air, what has she achieved for her 13 followers exactly. Even Jesus only had 12 deciples. Even Red Button Girl has got cramp from her finger hovering over the button. TICK TOCK. The clock has wound down.
thing is and most seem to miss this…your money has been filtered through a uk co…so now it is down to the co in the Caribbean to resolve and that gonna take years…maybe DA get to to spend his 85th birthday behind bars, if he lives that long…but until much else happens this is gonna roll along at a nice slow pace coz DA aint gonna say anything that will will incri9minate himself
Ponzi maybe, scam would seem so, clever maybe, very clever absolutely yes…move the money across borders to areas where things like this happen daily and transparency are non existant if only he could have applied his knowledge to a legitimate operation
game over, money gone DA worst thing for DA is someone chops his fingers off…someone will harm him at some point too many peeps and high ranking not to have payback
time to sit back and watch the next phase
FDNRM, now may be a good time to enquire if there are any extra hour available coz your frieendship gonna take a dive very soon
FDNRM thinks he has a business relationship with Dave Ames. Poor deluded fool.
@Anon 9:48
Would that make FDNRM a complicit coconspirator?
Anonymous 10.10pm
All 6000 investors have a business association with Dave Ames.Does that make all of us complicit to your fantasy conspiracy ?
Nope – Just FDNRM because his relationship is “special”
or so we have been told ad-infinitum.
FDNRM has a “business relationship ” with David Ames. That in itself is a strange comment . Should he not have a business relationship with a Harlequin company, as an Investor, and not with an individual ?
@Anon,10.54, more made up rubbish. I have not said its special, you have.
@Yatinkiteasy how pedantic, you do spout rubbish some times.
@FDNRM
I have left the ‘Bunker’ could not put up with the lies and having to kiss arse its there for one reason – to bring Ames down – nasty nasty people.
I am no longer waiting with my hand poised, want to give it a try.
@Yatinkiteasy and similar.
With all your negative posts, could you explain how you can say any rescue plan is not possible.
When on your own admission you say there is no information to base a rescue plan on.
Surly, the same goes for your Idea of its not going to work – what are you basing your statement on??
I would say you were Erica, however grammatically you have the edge.
Yet another company quitting Harlequin. I doubt if Eleven Capital or any other company for that matter could have raised a dollar without access to the Caribbean accounts which continue to appear non existent along with other legal documents like title deeds. WHY HAVE THE DIRECTORS NOT FILED ACCOUNTS FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS IN THE CARIBBEAN – as they are legally bound to do so?
@ FDNRM (but will need a brief soon) “Perhaps Eleven capital were unable to bring forth additional funding, perhaps DA said enough is enough, you are not doing it, bye bye.”
And perhaps the Harlequin brand is now so tarnished that no one would touch it with a barge pole – what with the police, SFO, Insolvency Service and a myriad of disgruntled investors crawling all over it. Mention Harlequin or Dave Ames and people grimace. They are a laughing stock in the business community here and in the Caribbean and the Ames family is despised.
@Karma is coming after you
Have you actually read Yatinkiteasy’s posts? – or 100’s or Mr Lars or St George’s Dragon or Anon 73 or Eddie Lizard2’s – or mine and many others come to that?
We have all gone into considerable detail as to why, at this time, a ‘rescue’ plan is unfeasible, checking the lack of general accounting information, lack of information on the profitability of existing operations, flaws in the original business plan etc etc – it’s all there if you read it. What we have yet to see is any evidence of “other options” or any proposal that is credible – or any facts that a credible proposal could be based on.
You try convincing backers or raising money without anything to base a business plan on – watch Dragon’s Den, that will give you a clue as to how you will be treated.
@Septictank where did you get that Eleven Capital statement? I cannot find it anywhere. Thank you.
Your all just too negative and have a hidden agenda in it failing, that is obvious.
The ‘Wigan Bunker’ have closed the forum to new posts, apparently its ran its course but, PM’s are still an option.
However, we know that nothing is ‘Private’ with Erica.
So expect to see them on here under the many guises.
Do we have a update as promised regarding the police case against WTF following her, and looking at her bird table?
She even shown ‘proof’ that she paid for her holiday…..Mmmmmm, looks like the act of someone covering things up – it actually proved nothing whatsoever.
Ironing people clothes must pay well if you can use Crozier for a £38,000 investment…. plus costs 😉
Police thing was all in her daft head.
KISCFY, for my part quite the opposite. I have substantial investments in the Caribbean, Harlequin failing does not help me at all. It brings down our image, will affect local staff and already has, as well as suppliers, embarrasses governments etc. However, the economics of it all simply do not add up. Ames set up a scam, it is clear as day to me – if you do not escrow funds prior to building and pay out commissions to yourself before you own the land, have planning permission or a shovel in the ground, then what you are up to becomes clear. With that said, Ames’s intentions from the outset are not at issue here, but the rescue plan is. The economics of the Harlequin developments are not workable as have been explained by others in detail. This is not guesswork, it is 40 years of Caribbean resort experience talking. I wish it would have worked, we do not need this kind of activity in our region nor failed resorts or developments. Buccament Bay is lovely, but does not work as a business, and throw in that there are 6000 stakeholders in it and all the other complications, it cannot work in its current format nor ever will. It is an opinion only – if the assets are liquidated, purchasers get something back, an operator takes BB free and clear of encumbrances and makes it work and maintains employment, same for Blu in St Lucia then this would appear the best outcome for all. Anyone thinking more than 10 cents in the dollar are being too optimistic I would think. As I have always said, I wish all purchasers luck and hope I am wrong.
@Red Button Girl, what are you saying, are you about to press the button or walk away from it and leave it t someone else?
@FDNRM 6.49 am ..and you, poor loser spout rubbish ALL the time!
So it looks like Erica has shut up shop. It seems strange that she has closed her forum because ‘everyone has reached a decision on how to move forward’. Does anyone know the truth about why she has pulled the plug?
Q Does anyone know the truth about why she [Erica] has pulled the plug?
A Because she’s sick of all of them?
Does it really matter?
666 and Real Investor sound like the same person. Do write reviews for TripAdvisor as well?
Do you right Harlequin reviews for Tripadvisor as well?
(sorry don’t know what happened there). EL2
Write even…
(haha)
cogito ergo sum…….Descartes
sperabunt ergo erit..Harlequin investor
Congratulations to the Harlequin trolls. You have closed down Erica’s forum.
Next step – save Harlequin. Not quite sure how you are going to do that though.
@SGD, why do you assume HP trolls have closed Erica’s forum. She bans anyone who has a different opinion to herself and checks all IP address etc. Eric’s forum had become a self indulgent irrelavance.
Erica has closed her forum because Greater Manchester Police have told her, that in their opinion, she has got over involved and obsessed, and that in the interests of all, including the wasted police resources, she should take a step back and close the blog.
So don’t blame the trolls, blame the nutty woman who ran the forum!
I’m probably way off track, but I wonder if Erica closed down her forum as she has reached some sort of agreement with HP?
@WTF, is that the confirmed truth or your opinion?
@St George’s Dragon – she made a fool of herself….once to often.
Blamed James Cannon for being behind the Harlequin website =WRONG
Police investigation for someone ‘following her’ = WRONG
WTF & Ghent in the HIG group = WRONG
The Warrington ‘indecent’ with Ames = WRONG
Confidentiality issues PM’S = WRONG
Banning people for no reason = WRONG
Contact with O Harroran & Newman why? = WRONG
Other than being totally out of her depth, giving wrong advice, even saying the other night saying she will denounce any kind rescue plan….. we are well shut of her….
She has achieved nothing, just a bored old housewife. A trouble making dangerous woman, who loved the attention.
Good riddance, in a week Erica who?
Who is Erica?
And if Dave Ames had given Erica and her husband their money back in the first place, as he is contractually obliged to do, none of this would have happened. Still, she gave the Harlequin trolls a run for their money and made them look a right bunch of ninnies. The lengths they had to go to to gag her up when Carter Ruck couldn’t manage it were quite audacious.
However, the elephant in the room still remains. Harlequin in administration, no accounts filed, no returns being paid, police investigating Harlequin, only a handful of units completed, staff not paid, money missing all over the place, a rescue plan looking even more remote, etcetera etcetera
July13th, thread on TA suggests that weddings at BB are not all that they are cracked up to be – July14th hunt88 (shome mishtake shurely?) posts glowing review of … yes, you guessed it, the wedding services at BB.
A record for the Basildon rapid response PR squad> How much of this is being handled by Rod Davis, the Spanish based, self styled “media image consultant” who seems to also have been very busy with anti Nikki Crozier propaganda.
I have no knowledge of NC BTW, just that when anything to do with Harlequin is being ‘orchestrated’ one does get very cynical.
BBaywatch
do you have evidence it was him or are you doming an Erica?
anon73
Back to important matters, Erica is not one of them.
Lets just accept you actually know what your talking about. Do you think if a scaled down version of BB is viable?
Please just for the moment forget all the problems we know about. For now would you let me know could it work.
many Thanks…. LGIAG 😉
mason-lite – I was asking a question that’s all. RD described himself as such on his FB page so there are some grounds for thinking that there is a connection.
@Lets give it a go? do you mean is BB viable as a hotel or is BB viable as a hotel connected to Harlequin investors? I’m not being facetious as it is an important distinction.
If there is a clean break with the past, however that is managed, and the hotel can start again without debts/obligations or other encumbrances then there might be a small chance for it. However it will still be a very big hotel for the region and will face competition from long established chains with good reputations and large customer bases. Sandals which picked up the old La Source hotel on Grenada will be a major competitor along with Spice Island, Maca Bana and The Calabash and there is serious and well established opposition on St Lucia – Ladera, Jade Mountain, Sugar Beach and Anse Chastenet – (there are many more) including island resorts like Palm Island. You have to ask, in the current market is there room for a large AI hotel on St Vincent (bearing in mind that the rest of the Vincentian tourism infrastructure is minimal to put it mildly) that will compete with those destinations? The established luxury travel clientele mainly pass through St Vincent to Bequia or to yacht charters – that’s the market in SVG! If BB is kept at its present size, uncompleted buildings demolished and landscaped, ownership sorted out, debt encumbrance removed then there might be a very small chance that it would succeed.
The question is, will it be possible to arrive a a situation where a new start could even be considered? – and at the moment that looks highly unlikely.
@BB
Make no mistake of the Masonic involvement and the levels it reaches to.
@BBay.
Very balanced answer thanks for that
@WTF.
You did make some unpleasant comments, however calling the police and putting all the BS on her forum was just plain and simply wrong….unfounded gibberish.
Have the police concluded the investigation? Maybe, that’s why she has chucked the towel in………. they told her she’s wrong? Maybe they charged her with wasting Police time?
I was saved by the Harlecon Website. What a revelation this site was. A lot of people dismissed it as rubbish but i came acress it when i was being pursued by Intelligent Investment to invest.I hope a lot of people now realise that a lot of what was publish on this site was true. My heart is with those who stand to lose a lot in some cases. It always pay to take time a and question these types of investmentsinvestments especially when you are parting with a lot of money
@EL2 you really don’t get it do you. She was offered her money back, she just would not accept any conditions to it. She didn’t give Anthony a run for their money, she was just a deranged police time waster who managed to get a following. She became a conduit for Crozier, who has achieved absolutely nothing. Nobody wanted to gag her, just get her to tell the truth. Still you carry on ignoring those points and get back to you HP conspiracy theories.
@BBaywatch, “bearing in mind the rest of the Vincentian tourist infrastructure is minimal” A new airport should put that right then don’t you agree?
LGIAG – Agree that there is often too much deviation from what is important in relation to HP and purchasers of Caribbean property that has as yet been given planning permission for and of course remain unbuilt.
BBaywatch has summed it up pretty much. If you could do away with all the connected problems, could a 150 room resort work in St Vincent? The main challenges are:
Lack of airlift
Lack of infrastructure
Competition from established product on nearby islands
What could St Vincent offer – twin stays with islands in the Grenadines, twin stays picking up yachts to sail to the Grenadines, friendly service, the nice product of Bucc Bay etc. It does have its plus points, it is not all negative.
150 rooms is too many, perhaps open up only 100 of them, or even just 50 to begin with. Noone wants to open up a resort that loses huge sums of money (as normally there are not 6000 other people’s deposits on other property on hand to fund such losses) The new airport would of course be positive for the long term prospects but 150 new rooms will not mean the instant arrival of Virgin, BA, Jetblue, American etc. I think it should appeal to some airlines. It may be suitable for Jetblue for example to fly down during the winter as the appeal of the yachting industry and Palm Island, PSV, Canouan etc are already good product to add to the addition of Buccament Bay.
A short answer to you your question, could it work – yes a scaled down version of BB could work. It would not be easy, would have to be very professionally managed, and even then it would be a tough ask. This is assuming, as you said, that all associated problems are no longer there, and that of course is far more of a challenge than running a scaled down BB profitably.
@BBaywatch, “bearing in mind the rest of the Vincentian tourist infrastructure is minimal” A new airport should put that right then don’t you agree?
No, of course I don’t, that’s a really stupid comment. The new airport (when it opens – which is still far from certain) is only part of the tourism infrastructure required, and as many Vincentian commentators have pointed out, the huge sums having to be borrowed for the airport have left nothing for roads or other areas urgently requiring investment.
If you had ever spent more than a few hours on St Vincent you might have an inkling of what infrastructure means, but your comments are typical of your arrogant belief that St Vincent is nothing without BB and only exists to line your pockets – disgusting.
LGIAG – just to expand on my earlier comment, Buccament Bay with its sports academy set up is also in competition with Mediterranean destinations like La Manga and the Forte Village on Sardinia where Pat Cash will be teaching (has he jumped ship too?) Getting to those destinations is not subject to the expensive APD which is unfairly hitting the whole Caribbean region and again those resorts are well established with good reputations and track records on delivery.
The American market could be targeted for Buccament Bay, but is already served by the Canouan Resort, which has regular direct flights by jet from the US and also has a very good golf course. US visitors also want much more developed tourism infrastructure, their holidays are shorter than those typically taken by Europeans and they want to fit as much in as possible.
BB needs a USP badly and unfortunately what they are offering just doesn’t cut it in the current luxury travel market.
@ FDNRM (needs a lawyer soon)
You have deliberately misconstrued my comment. Why should ANY investor accept Dave Ames’ conditions on the return of their money? It is consumer law and they are fully entitled to their money back in full without stage payments or a gagging order as part of the deal. He owes and them and they should not have to resort to law. Who does that odious little fraudster in Basildon think he is? Can he not do anything in a straightforward honest way? And why do you persist in defending his actions?
2) Who’s Anthony?
@BBaywatch, hook line and sinker! Every time you take the bait. You are too stupid to get a job serving fries, Sir. LOL. By the way why didn’t you have a go at Anon 73 about “lack of airlift” nothing obsessive about you, is there Sir?
Now that Erica is blog less, and does not have an outlet for her promotion of Crozier, how long will it be before she is back on here. Will she appologise for wasting police time? Perhaps she would like to join my Harli Krishna group, as a gesture of good will I will through in a free CD.
@BBaywatch
Even thought FDNRM is somewhat like a yapping Yorkiepoo snapping
at ones ankles, and thus hard to ignore, your last post was an assessment
of the reality faces. Keep up the good work!!!
Yes, yap, yap,yap, what a needy, desperate for attention, loser he is. After this is all over he will have no money, no friends, no credibility and no worthwhile job – you’d have to have a heart of stone not to laugh!
I could write the posts the BBaywatch posts, same old same old. Boring boring boring. Yes we understand what you are saying but give it a rest. Where are the blog clogging police when you need them.
Text book trolling again from 36Chipfat, nothing of any interest, just talking out of his onion ring.
Now now laddie pisshard I thought you had put this silly name calling behind you. There again with Erica blog bombed out due to police advice I supposed we will see more of you on here. Now be a good lad and revert to popper iD s.
He has Kevlar of the brain —–nothing penetrates !
@ BBaywatch, ah bless. You do care. Do you want a CD?
FDNRM – Do you have proof that Erica closed the forum because the police told her to? or is it just speculation? I thought you was all about the truth from what I’ve seen here so I guess you have proof??
@Nigel aka Steph.
You would be surprised what we know 🙂
@BB
Thanks for your comments appreciated.
I am not Steph? So anyone asks a question on here and automatically gets called Erica or Steph? You really are obsessed with them aren’t you! What must your wives think of you obsessing over two women you lot are weird!
Is the answer no to the proof then and that is why you won’t answer it?
Septic Tank where are you. Please shut these total losers up!
It’s amazing how people who stand to lose a lot of money in various Harlequin scams ( sorry schemes) can spend their time discussing and arguing over trivia and completely irrelevant things , and trading insults, while DA and family plan and execute their escape. Well done trolls ..
Folks, until you get accountability and enforcement nothing happens. Full disclosure on financials including income statements and balance sheet, deeds and titles, cash flow statements and every other tool to run a business must be disclosed to find the value of the properties. Then appropriate action must be taken to determine if the operation is a going concern or if it should be liquidated. Until then, its all conjecture. Focus on getting the financial statements…where’s the money and where did it go and how much is left to run the business…and then you can move forward…question…: where is the legal system? government enforcement must be non existent to determine who is responsible …nothing is happening with that besides the lawyers i hear chasing investors…the rest of this gibberish on this blog is just scuttlebutt…
produce the facts, then take action…until then…more of the same blah blah blah …
@Yatinkiteasy, yes yes yes, we all know we MIGHT loose a lot of money. The difference between some of us and you/BBaywatch etc is we have not lost our sence of humour. We all love you lot coming on here pontificating about what should/should not happen but it’s our money, our mess so go away chirping away at the sidelines.
@Septictank, again thank you for your comment, we all, that is investors, know this, thank you.
@Nigel.
I most certainly do not have a ‘super morbidly obese fetish’. Please give me some credit.
I can’t think of a more repugnant thing……
Talking about a sence of humour how many people on here think it is funny that I, the mighty FNDRM, am the only poster worth reading on here. I’m laughing myself silly.
@ Fatchett does not represent me (without the full stop)
I’m flattered that you think so but STOP pretending you are me
So, to sum up the information by people who know the area and industry – thank you all
😉
It may have a chance, providing the the following:
Debt free ( more or less)
Keep it exclusive, keep it small
Cut out the costs
Strict controls & Transparency
Get a proper management team in
If the Government would support such a rescue package to help locals who are at risk of loosing money – great.
Or run as a professional business!
If the solicitors sue the IFA’s and Sipp providors, that’s a double bonus because it eases the pressure on ‘HP’ as the ‘refunds’ are coming from elsewhere.
It’s stupid to think everybody will be happy or get all their money back but lets give it a go!
Any thoughts, phew, lucky the Erica blog is shut down – such thinking is not tolerated 😉
@ LGIAG
I’m fairly certain that you are wrong about suing the IFAs etc. Any successful action against them would simply transfer the debt to the Insurance co. or scheme (i.e. whoever paid out) and if there were any equity left in the “new” HP they would pursue it for recovery. The difference being that instead of a gaggle of uncoordinated investors trying to pursue HP there would be a well resourced insurance company/scheme going for the jugular. You can’t just dodge debt like that and expect to carry on as if it hadn’t happened.
Other than that the rescue plan should be plain sailing and world peace will be easy peasy and follow shortly afterwards.
@CCW
I was thinking of World peace as a part time hobby. Does it matter what happens to HP if the investors get something back?
I personally find all this reprehensible. I’m not trying to absolve or exonerate the advisers, who have clearly done their industry — and more importantly, their clients — a huge disservice, but to lay the blame exclusively at their feet and not Harlequin’s is absurd. They were only passing on what they’d been told (though should have checked) — the issue is only an issue, because that information has been shown to have been demonstrably incorrect. How is it possible that investors should sue advisers, receive a refund, but still be entitled to some ownership of what they paid for? You either want a refund and want out, or you don’t. Chasing only them is a cynical manipulation of the system — and will likely fail where PI comes to it limits (unless FSCS becomes involved). Very few credible advisers were involved with this, and there should be consequences for those who were, but they are ultimately not the source of the problem (and without them, where would Harlequin be now?)
The classic troll tactic on here of identifying details and making them the issue lays bare the idiocy that led some people into this situation (some, not all — not even most) — this whole Broughton thing for example. Swallowing the party line from the people that have led you here, and then bullying a middle aged housewife is beneath contempt — calling her “dangerous” makes you seem moronically supplicant.
The posts on here that clearly have detailed local knowledge, and detailed knowledge of the industry stand out by a mile for their cool, reasoned logic — and yet some of you would seek to reject it out of hand.
You numpty you would not have both! a refund and a property 🙂
Of course the FSCS will be involved the PI was not enough.
Broughton, is just thick.
@ Dont’WTSWIam…
“Of course the FSCS will be involved the PI was not enough.”
Sorry, I am afraid you are mistaken there. The FSCS is the compensation fund of last resort for customers of authorised financial services firms. Harlequin and many of the IFAs were not authorised and this was a totally unregulated scheme.
@ CLIVE
Clive, I’m not sure you have completely understood the issues here.
The “investments” although “sold” and orchestrated in the UK ended up with Caribbean based HP companies – very difficult and expensive to take legal action against and certainly not covered by FSA (FCA) guarantees.
The IFAs who got involved with selling these, in the main, knew exactly what they were doing. To get around the fact that the investment was unregulated, the regulated IFA would act as an introducer to an unregulated IFA (sometimes within the same company or network of IFAs) to try and get around the regulations. They would share the commission. Where a SIPP was involved the SIPP provider would typically claim that they were performing an “execution only” service i.e. no due diligence was required.
You could argue that all the IFAs involved were simply incompetent and they fact that they were making huge commissions was just a co-incidence, or you might think, as I do, that they knew exactly what they were doing and thought they could get away with it. Well it looks like they won’t.
As it happens, I also think it is unfair on decent respectable IFAs who avoided this investment but will now help carry the cost via increased PII or FCSC premiums in the future, I also think it is unfair that those investors who have stupidly invested in something they understood nothing about should get a “get out of jail free” card by suing the IFA but that is the way of the world.
As someone else has also, very rudely, pointed out, if an IFA claim is successful, the claimant does NOT get compensation AND get to keep the investment. The investment or the resulting debt on HP would pass to the compensation provider who might follow up recovery or might not if not worth it.
Click to access EMPTAGE_v_FSCS_JUDGMENT_FINAL_Approved.pdf
well worth a read. ccw is quite correct in how they set up different arms of the company for the “unregulated” aspect. unfortunately quite a few of the big players in this have since dissolved/creased trading and thus the bulk of most claims may well fall on the fscs. however, also think that there will be a massive backlash from the increases in levies to cover any fscs compensation (if that does happen as no guarantee) especially as many ifa’s/advisors have said on various sites that been warning the fca
previously fca) regarding this for many years. would be interesting to see from the FCA just how many warnings they have had regarding this “investment”
Sorry for being rude!
So if you invested via a SIPP sue the ass of them, that’s the bottom line.
@EL2
So I thing you are both right and wrong at the same time. The person who set up the SIPP must have been regulated, but not the person who necessarily sold it – so sue the ass off them 😉
@Clive “moronically supplicant” I don’t quite understand what that means, but I would suggest you do not understand the meaning of “dangerous”This is the woman who would “poo poo” any rescue scheme, drives around photographing people’s cars and has a husband who threatens people. You need to open your eyes.
And reporting imaginary PI’s to the police……… for following her….
and looking at her birdtable… why she thinks she is worthy of following is anyone guess.
@Septictank are you associated with Eleven? The quote you provided does not appear anywhere online which is fishy.
Just a thought, moving away from the important subject of bird tables for just a minute, if Fatchett is now ‘working with’ HP on a rescue plan but is already representing clients against HP with the stat demands, isn’t that a conflict of interest?
As DWTSWIA so eloquently put it “So if you invested via a SIPP sue the ass of them, that’s the bottom line” and he’s right!!
If you have invested via a SIPP and the SIPP provider (who are ALL regulated) didn’t specifically tell you it was a bad idea (there is a designated field for reasons not to invest in the Suitability Report they should have sent, then “you” have a cast iron case. The SIPP provider will typically say they were providing an “Execution only” service but this does not wash and the FSA (now FCA) sent out a warning to this effect on 17th or 18th of January 2013. If you complain to the Financial Ombudsman (FO) and cite this FSA warning then it is impossible to lose (unless of course your SIPP provider did warn you and you ignored it!!). You really don’t need a solicitor for this unless you really aren’t getting it. The FO can then instruct the SIPP provider to compensate you and if they have gone bust then the FSCS will have to step in.
@Sid,
I guess it depends who the clients are… sure it’s all in hand – don’t worry about others, get suing !!
@septic.
Dam fishy businessmen, no fish without smell………………
@Car crash watcher.
see we got there in the end with out all this fannying round!
If you invested by a SIPP sue thier arse!
I will change my stage name now 😉
Does anyone have any confidence at all in the ‘rescue’?
@FDNRM, how about you, what do you know and do you think it will work?
In my simple little world……. 🙂
Reg Legal work with HP and closely monitor them, providing they get the information flow – yes its got a chance. ….possibly the only chance.
Imagine getting an update! not full of BS…..
If a % can get the money back via the SIPP route, that will help other investors, who don’t have that luxury – i.e. cash investors, but it needs people to work as a team, for the end goal – this does not include liquidation.
There will be a ‘fraction’ from the Wigan bunker that have already said they would poo poo ANY rescue plan – but they are unimportant in the whole scheme of things.
Won’t be easy….. but its all we have? Unless anyone can offer something constructive.
Thank you for your response TGAotC.
So will people that firmly appose the rescue and have SD’s, freezing orders etc need to be paid off in order for the plan to work? Won’t that be expensive, where will the money come from?
On July 12th Erica said she would poo poo any idea that concerns any of the Ames’s and that she had 400 million reasons to do this. So why do you keep mis-quoting her? You just twist what ever she say’s for your own enjoyment you lot are sick!
Ames should be disgusted by the people he employs look at the state of you, your worse than a bunch of kiddie fiddlers in the local park. I don’t know how anyone would want to work with you or him after the things you have said on here. She’s a middle aged washer woman what threat is she to you? Are you getting free representation off G Fartchett or are you still on the Harlequin payroll for this??
How can any outside financier raise the money if Ames isn’t prepared to produce the magical accounts? Can anyone answer one question…. Would you give a company that has spent 400 million on one resort a shit load of money with no accounts?? Answers on a stamp……
No accounts equals no money!
Like you have all ready said the crazy washer woman is not important so lets get back on topic.
Click to access alert-pension-transfers.pdf
if you read this you will see that it is in no way guaranteed that the fscs will pay compensation.
Fiddler in the park aka Steph
Your correct she is irrelevant, so are you. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, or what’s going on – so please shut ya fat gobs and do us all a favor.
Ahhh nice to see the Harlequin Trolls back out Jesse you are so far off the mark but then again you can’t even find your own arse with your hands your that much of an idiot.
You would be surprised what I know about you. Isn’t it funny how anyone mentions anything to do with Erica and you think that it is her or Steph you really are sad you should get help for that it’s called paranoia.
Paranoia /ˌpærəˈnɔɪə/ (adjective: paranoid /ˈpærənɔɪd/) is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself. (e.g. “Everyone is out to get me.”)
Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia. For example, an incident most people would view as an accident or coincidence, a paranoid person might believe was intentional
Sound familiar?
Test
Had to post that, my previous posts were not getting through.
@fiddler on the roof, were you implying earlier that Erica had invested £400m ? No I thought not. She invested a tiny proportion of that so she has a tiny say in the outcome. We would not be surprised what the Wigan bunker know about people at all. Got any car pics you can share with us?
@Sid, in reply to your earlier post, Fatchett will go after the IFA/SIPP people. He is in this to make money, and that’s where the compensation will be.
@car crash watcher 1.50 pm
I would take issue with some aspects of your analysis although I certainly agree that some form of redress is on the cards. Just to be clear, it is not the SIPP providers who gave the advice: they do not send out Suitability Letters as you suggest nor are they obliged to check the suitability letters, which the regulated Financial Advisers are obliged to provide. Any complaint on the grounds of bad advice including unsuitability will clearly be against the financial adviser. I think you have also misunderstood the warning issued by the FSA (now FCA) in January, which was aimed at regulated advisers not SIPP Providers. Advisers were claiming that they only advised on the establishment of the SIPP and the transfer of existing pensions to it with the Harlequin investments being done solely by the clients on an execution only basis. The FSA confirmed, quite rightly, that the advice process could not view the establishment of the SIPP in isolation and that any advice to transfer existing pensions to SIPPs must pay some regard to the subsequent investments. In others words the advice process must take account of the reasons for establishing the SIPP and of the investments which are going to be made once it is established.
That’s not to say that there is no case to be made against the SIPP provider, far from it. Here the claim would be for professional negligence and there are a number of areas where providers have extremely difficult questions to answer though the case is a little more nuanced and less clear cut than with the advisers.
You say that “you don’t need a solicitor for this unless you really aren’t getting it”. On the contrary I would suggest that your post demonstrates just why investors do require professional legal advice and I would recommend that any investor who has not yet retained the services of a good quality solicitor, who understands the issues and who is able to organise claims against the various parties involved, should do so without further delay!
The many investors who poured hundreds of millions into these projects currently have no power to accept a rescue plan as the Administrator says that they are not creditors of the UK company because they signed contracts with the Caribbean companies. The Caribbean creditors – investors, contractors, staff, suppliers, consultants and Government agencies can now seek through the Courts to have the various Caribbean companies wound up so that the local assets can be sold and they get their long overdue money back. It is just a matter of time now before the receiving orders appear before the courts. Hopefully, the Caribbean creditors will understand the seriousness of the situation and take the initiative rather than sitting back and waiting to see what happens, because under the local laws they only have 6 months to act following a breach, which only gives them another month and then they will be too late – those owed money from Harlequin in the Caribbean and elsewhere really need to take legal advice quickly before they find themselves out of time as far as the liquidation legislation is concerned.
bottom line is that this will drag on for many many years..DA will stroll around and say nothing unless he really has to, but nothing that will incriminate him…anything that will send any investigators off on a wild goose chase
The legal peeps will do ok and DA gets time to enjoy life as a free man
I am just a poor boy
Though my story’s seldom told
I have squandered my resistance
For a pocket full of mumbles such are promises
All lies and jests
Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest
kinda sums it up I think
@Kroll
You are of course technically correct, you sound like a solicitor. My use of the term SIPP provider covered the both the organisation who holds the SIPP after it has been transferred (and charges management fees) AND the regulated IFA who instructs them (in much the same way as you might address both a solicitor and the barrister they have instructed as a “legal team”) . This is unlikely to be the same regulated IFA who has the initial relationship with the investor and as you say it is this SIPP specialist IFA at whom the FSA warning was directed.
Naturally a solicitor will always say that you must use a solicitor for everything but the reality is that the FO service was set up so that non legal professionals should use it but as always a solicitor will disagree with that.
@Fiddler in the park – aka Steff of ‘The super morbidly obese couple’
If you want to talk about arses, look at yours in the mirror! or maybe a shop window might be big enough.
Yes it sounds like someone who, involves the police, imagines things, makes up the ‘blog’ was hacked ( to stupidly cover up a cock up) takes pictures of peoples cars, thinks they are being followed, and takes pictures of bird tables for the blog. Forgot, has a very good imagination when it comes to PI’s. – I could go on…….
@FDNRM,
I have a catchy little title, for your new CD….
‘Save Buccement Bay, Sue an IFA’, not sure how that translated to Harli Crishna?
Looks like that’s the one’s that were complicit in a vicarious way, could end up helping?
I’m sure there are a number of IFA’s becoming increasingly worried, and it’s Karma.
Where’s the king of the bull shit – leaky leaky squeaky arse in the bunker gone?
Has he run out of tall stories or has he done the honourable thing and resigned before he is sacked after realising what a hypocrite he is towards FDNRM taking a return but its ok he takes a salary?
I recall reading a comment last week about a female HP employee that resigned as she couldn’t stand to be there any longer. That wouldn’t be leaky, squeaky would it?
Septictank is just another liar like Leaky who was caught out weeks ago. That quote is nowhere to be found unless it was private correspondence which raises more questions.
Some people obviously have nothing better to do than post lies. We have one life and if one thinks writing nonsense is a good way to spend it it is very sad.
Should be easy enough to confirm is Eleven Capital are still involved, no? It would be fairly damning if there is any truth in the story.
This persecution of Erica is strangely obsessive – FDNRM calls her dangerous above…not as dangerous as a company who takes people’s pensions, doesn’t file accounts for 7 years in the Caribbean (and late in the UK), loses 2 sets out auditors, misses virtually all their build deadlines and pays lawyers to silence any dissent or debate surely?
I am still alive and squeaking don’t worry!
All I will say is that things are going well between interested parties; I won’t divulge anymore that that.
That vulgar WTF will no doubt have some profanities to rant about, but he could just ask Dave…. as he is ‘intheknow’
@TS, what quote?
And I am still here too – no need to ask you anything I spoke with Dave yesterday when he was at Buccament Bay – so no need to ask you to fabricate any information for me!
So what is happening?
You will have to ask WTF, sorry delicate times 😉
@Sid they quoted Eleven Capital above but the quote does not appear anywhere.
What? DA in St Vincent again? Must be giving out titles to unit owners again. Not.
@Yatinkiteasy, you didn’t know DA was at BB? Keep up man. Reactive or proactive?
Look at the SVG court, you may find him there
1:55pm posting not by me! Are we going to start degenerating the forum again and posting in each others names??
Why not abuse Erica in my name again!
What, like you do! 😉
Sid – I have proven in the past to be capable of stirring shit and abusing Erica without the assistance of anyone else pretending to be me.
Not that I would do that of course since my visit from the police for following/ watching/ harassing/ cutting her up in the car allegations!!
Nobody knows wots really goin down, come on man…. get real.
WTF thinks he do, but he don’t. …..kno nuffin
dis bout Ames tryin do a deal, but not givin nough information or he will be in the deeps shit.
If he gives nothin, he is in the shit, if he gives too much he is in the deep shit….. just how shit de dshit is.
The IFA’s gonna be fed to de dogs, one b one
http://www.ifaonline.co.uk/ifaonline/news/2283081/pension-investments-should-be-restricted-to-avoid-more-scandals
quote “Particular areas of concern were savers investing in undeveloped property schemes abroad that could then collapse, similar to what happened with Harlequin, Wrench said.
So an unintended consequence of the Harlequin collapse might be reform of the IFA industry?
and just in case anyone thinks that transgressors may get away with it –
http://www.ftadviser.com/2013/07/12/opinion/blogs/commission-concern-as-adviser-jailed-oft-probes-pensions-QGLErqpleEsKpBR7ZpbxyH/article.html
It takes a while but Inspector Knacker gets his man in the end.
@FDNRM 1. 54 pm Sorry, but not having a”business relationship ” with great DA , I would not know of his travel plans like you would . BTW, how is that legal title for your cabana at BB coming along ? Davie said he was bestowing titles in Sept 2012, 11 months ago . Was that a truthful statement or not?
Sue Dem Flunkies – I realise I only know what I’m told and am only told a fraction, so what?
And your in deep shit when Poor Spelling sees your effort at English!!
WtF – Forget about the spelling it is your Queen’s English and
turn of phrase (descriptive but disgusting) especially in re: Erica
that needs to be attended to.
@Yatinkiteasy, and I thought you were the all seeing eyes of the Caribbean. Titles are coming along fine. By the way “bestowing” suggests they would be given which is not the case. Payment still needs to be made.
Croziers/ Ericas mug investors, aka;
Conrad Davies, Paul Feehan, John Evans, Jon Thomas, John Eyre, Rachel Broido, Trushant Bodani, Graham Murray, David Norris, Colin Parkinson, Christine Bloomfield, Carlos Gutierrez, Marc Thomas
We may as well use your real names as Broughton and Crozier has no regard for privacy – getting WTF address from a planning application, going to his house taking photos of his wife, children and house plus publishing his address. Add to this the false allegations and you wonder why he swears a bit?
Anyway how’s your investment with Crozier? £6k for starters? Security if £75k split between you?
Gets expensive doesn’t it? And have you had any returns yet? And what’s the next instalment for legal fees?
After being mugged for your savings by Ames your daft enough to be ripped off by another fraudster in Crozier who pretends she is her dead sister!
Will you 13 ever learn??
I know from my own experience, that emails, PM’s and phone calls will be and can be used wherever she deems fit.
So, whatever you have said, or communicated is fair game.
They record every phone call, mentally unstable sums it up pretty well?
That’s strange Erica said she was using Crozier on her blog? is there a second batch or is that more lies?
Erica is fibbing again she uses Pannone not Chris Corney! She’s a compulsive liar!
FDNRM………you are truly a simpleton….how can titles be ” coming along fine” when no one has gotten one . Guess what? Construction of the resorts in Dominican Republic, St Lucia and Barbados are coming along fine too.
So are payment to suppliers and contractors and Government Agencies . Also “coming along fine” are financial statements for Harlequins operations in the Caribbean
Harlequin Air is also coming along fine.
Payments to investors are coming along fine.
Financing to Investors by way of guaranteed mortgages is also coming along fine .
In fact, the whole negative publicity aimed at Harlequin is very confusing, because everything they are doing “is coming along fine” ….just fine.
Yat – You forgot to add one thing….Erica is fibbing –who the hell cares?
Obsess on anything but what truly matters? They are all nuts.
they seem to be scared of erica for some reason. does she know were the bodys are buried? why this hate campaign agasint her? it has been going on for months !! scared of one woman and obsessed with birds tables. it doesnot make sense
I think it says a lot about the type of person who would
invest in Harlequin. Anything now to not think about the
harsh reality. Escapism at its best/worst !!!
Data protection victim!
July 17, 2013 at 8:50 pm
I know from my own experience, that emails, PM’s and phone calls will be and can be used wherever she deems fit.
So, whatever you have said, or communicated is fair game.
They record every phone call, mentally unstable sums it up pretty well?
She tapes everything wow! So is that squeaky bum in the bunker 😉
@Yatinkiteasy, can you not understand your own question? “How are legal titles coming along?’ Answer: “they are coming along fine”Now does that say anyone has one, er NO. And you call me a simpleton. Next time read your question, read the answer and then keep your mouth shut before you put another size 10 in it. Idiot.
I see that the whitewash attempt is still going on – apparently posting photos on Pinterest confers some kind of legitamcy to HP??
http://www.pimlico-flats.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1838&start=260
Who is anon_2 who is taking such pains over media image projection I wonder?
@WTF & Anonymous
July 17, 2013 at 7:55 pm
Some of WTF names, have if i am honest made me chuckle, some however were beyond the pail, and he is not forgiven…..
Sue dem flunkies, gets my forgiveness 😉
I wonder who “nick” is. We are up to 9000 investors now. Lets just make a number up shall we. About as lazy as all the other reports written.
@BBaywatch & Yatinkiteasy
I believe when the ‘SH1t ‘ hits the fan, there will be major reforms, I don’t believe for one moment that things aren’t going on behind the scenes to bring HP to justice.
Its just that nobody is aware of it, and anyone who say different is just guessing.
I believe you are not an investor, so is your interest with HP because of the damage they have caused in maybe your country?
It’s not a trick question, you both are very active on the blong and I just wonder why if you are not both investors- please correct me if I am wrong.
Intresting, I posted on the wrong area
http://www.everyinvestor.co.uk/news/2013/07/18/viewpoint-diy-due-diligence-for-sipp-investors-5094/
@People with no names – you are correct, I am not an investor but have been lucky enough to work in the Caribbean on a regular basis for over twenty years. You’ll forgive me if I don’t go into further details but given the level of personal abuse – and worse – directed at critics of Harlequin I think that you will understand. The Caribbean desperately needs sustainable development to improve living standards and local economies, but developments like those proposed by Harlequin are the very worst model and deliver the least benefit.
@BBaywatch, you bloody hypocrite with your Holier than thou attitude. “The level of abuse directed at critics of Harlequin” And you have never written abuse at anyone? SIR You make me spew with your pious attitude. You may have 20 years working in the Caribbean, what a pity it didn’t teach you a bit of humility in the process.
FDNRM: Your bile is becoming more putrid – as realisation that you have been duped takes affect. Role on the day when HP’s actions have suffered the total and absolute ignominy of being declared the scam for what it is. (The memories of all your previous diabolical support will be but just that – a memory). You silly, silly person (of dubious morality). Come on throw more bile – you irrelevant buffoon and deluded chump.
FatChip36 has been spewing ad nauseum since he joined this forum. Rumour has it that he is paid 50pence (STG) per post by HP.
Having visited B Bay for just 60 minutes he is an expert on all things Caribbean.
ON CUE. Here they come. Laddie Pisshead2 and icu4wotur. The anti HP trolls with their usual rhetoric. The God BBaywatch has spoken so he must be right. So disciples of the Mesiah do you agree thatabuse is only directed at anti HP posters or has abuse been directed at posters with a different view? Lets see if you can answer Yes or No. Just to give you a hand, I consider FatChip36 to be personal abuse. Just to help you out in your Yes or No answer.
@FDNRM …..I’m not the idiot that has given Harlequin my money and received nothing in exchange, you are.
I have some questions for you FDNRM…
If Gareth Fatchett of RL manages to agree a favourable rescue plan for Buccament Bay are you going to take advantage of the outcome and rent your cabana to guests?
Or will you continue to snidely state, ‘He is in this to make money’, and refer to him as, ‘an ambulance chaser’?
And if you benefit from the situation, will you put your hand in your pocket to recompense him after all the hard work he has put in on behalf of investors?
And me!
@Yatinkiteasy. WRONG. Are you saying I am not getting anything in return? Do you not read any other postings but your own. You sad idiot. RENTAL RETURN. DOH
@Eddie Lizzard2 YES or NO answer please. Don’t dodge the earlier question with one of your own.
Which in fairness still doesn’t make any sense. You appear to be the only person who is or has ever had a return? Unless you know of any others? How can you explain that?
FDNRM (Buffoon of dubious Morality): Oh so predictable and how angry you are. Sorry to disappoint but today’s Buffoon watching finished, off to the pool, (much more rewarding than baiting a silly, silly deluded Chump).
@Sid.
It can only be an agreement with DA, he gets his return for supporting HP on this blog. The sad thing is any agreement with Ames – won’t be honored as he have proved not to be an honorable man.
Mind you WTF is DA ‘mate’ I rest my case…..
FDNRM
To be honest you have dished out as much abuse as you have received and I don’t really think you have grounds for complaint.
@EL2 what I have not done is use abusive language. What I object to is BBaywatch quoting anti HP posters being subject to abusive language when he himself dishes it out. That is hypocritical and one eyed.
@Sid, don’t go down that road again, it’s boring now.
@icu4wur, by the pool and reading BFP ? And you call me deluded? LOL
FDNRM
On the contrary FDNRM you have been very disrespectful to other posters and media and legal people and have used plenty of offensive words. Twat, pillock, moron, pisshard, pisshead to name but a few. You joined in the pursuit of Erica Broughton and her daughter which was vile to say the least. That is all beside the point really – you receive what you dish out so stop complaining.
Now, I think some of the other investors would be interested in your answer to my earlier questions. Honest answers to straight questions please – not bluster and evasion.
@EL2 compared with, Harlequin Scum, F***ing twat and C**t I don’t think my language has been that bad. I come back to my comment by BBbaywatch where abusive language has been all one way. It certainly hasn’t. Also I have made no comments about STEPH Erica’s daughter and have made no vile comments regarding Erica. Post them if you can find them. bBaywatch also thought it was highly amusing about saying sir when I served fries. I found that highly insulting.
FDNRM
OK take that up with posters who abused you, not me.
Now, I repeat…
I think some of the other investors would be interested in your answer to my earlier questions about a rescue plan for Buccament Bay. Honest answers to straight questions please – NOT BLUSTER AND EVASION.
@EL2 but I didn’t take it up with you, I took it up with BBaywatch. You chose to defend him. Examples of where I was vile to STEPH and Erica please?
@FDNRM, if at any point in the past you had tried to explain why you are the chosen one where DA is concerned there would be no need for the question to be asked repeatedly and we wouldn’t keep going down that road. As you can’t or won’t explain, you have to accept that people will draw their own conclusions which doesn’t do you any favours.
@FDNRM Glad to hear you are getting rental returns …..you must be the only investor who is. Quite an achievement really, for a place that lost al its management , chef , for salary payment problems, has had electricity cut for non payment of bills, has not filed financial statements since opening.
I congratulate you on your very wise investment.
The Marina at BB is also coming along fine. DA himself said so in 2010, so it must be true.
If fdnrm is getting return, confirms ponzi scheme status of this sham. Ames clearly is a criminal, not sure why anyone would engage with him.
Stop changing the subject FDNMR.
Try answering the questions I asked you instead of blustering.
@Sid, can you explain why I should justify anything to you. Do you think I really care what other people think? For your information I have explained why I am getting my rental return and I am not going through it all again.
Try reading back posts.
@Yatinkiteasy, you are only jealous that you did not get onto BB earlier.
Dear All.
You reap what you sow 😉
@ FDNRM
Are you going to answer the questions or are you going to continue avoiding them by posting trivia and going into petty detail about who said what to whom? You seem to be getting different treatment to all the other investors and I think they will be concerned to know, especially as you are the only investor who claims to be getting a rental return on your cabana at BB (even though you don’t have title) and you got your money back on your two units at Two Rivers.
If Gareth Fatchett of RL manages to agree a favourable rescue plan for Buccament Bay are you going to take advantage of the outcome and rent your cabana to guests?
Or will you continue to snidely state, ‘He is in this to make money’, and refer to him as, ‘an ambulance chaser’?
And if you benefit from the situation, will you put your hand in your pocket to recompense him after all the hard work he has put in on behalf of the other investors?
@ EL2 -We feel your pain:
THERE IS A CABANA AT BUCCAMENT BAY
WHOSE “OWNER’ SIMPLY WILL NOT SAY
WHY HE COLLECTS RENT
ON THIS CARIBBEAN DEVELOPEMENT
WHEN MANAGEMENT RECEIVES NO PAY
@EL2, Firstly get your facts right, I only had 1 unit at 2 rivers and secondly my cabana is rented to guests, so your your questions are irrelevant.
@Anon, There is an investor in the UK
who has put large sums into Buccament Bay
Its a business arrangement
Where I receive payment
So I suggest you now go away
BOOM BOOM
@fdnrm
I suppose that makes you “special”
My questions are very relevant FDNRM,
Don’t think you can fob us off with a banal poem.
@FDNRM of all the stupid things that you have posted , this one takes the cake …that I am jealous that I did not get on to BB earlier .
Boy what an opportunity I missed ! Owning my own cabana like you (without tile) and receiving rental returns , but having to pay for lunch…ouch !
You deserve every bit of crap that is dumped on you by Harlequin!
Why? Not only because you are an idiot , but because you are an arrogant delusional individual who never has an answer to questions asked.
Has anyone got anything constructive to say? Maybe about working a way out of this sorry mess?
Lets just say, 70%( a guess) could sue the IFA’s but maybe only 50% do, that could be around £200 million in third party claims.( another guess)
Now, it will grieve people that HP don’t give that back, they ain’t got it!!, they can’t give it back…… it so get over it. 😉
So, that leaves some people, who want to stay, or don’t have a choice because they invested cash……
So, what’s wrong with trying to work with a rescue plan, this is of course assuming Harlequin work with RL and give them all the information to see if it can be saved.
What’s the alternative – liquidation?
If Ames has committed fraud, he will be dealt with, but they are two completely different things – unrelated.
@EL2, I dont think the penny has dropped.I’m not on trial here, I dont have to answer your questions because I am under oath. I answer what I choose to answer, which is what I have done. End of.
@Yatinkiteasy, go take a chill pill man. Are you incapable of any sense of humor at all? Guess what, your answer was so predictable. I some how guessed that you are not disappointed you missed out on being an investor at BB. But in you came, both feet, LOL. Oh and while we are at it I see the silly insults are still coming. Note to BBaywatch, Do these insults constitute being a troll?
@FDNRM Since you can predict my actions, you will not be surprised that I will now ignore you totally. You can now continue to spout crap for Harlequin without my interruption.
@Yatinkiteasy RESULT.
Still no word on what happened at the creditors meeting. Did it take place?
Hats off to BFP for giving all who had the unfortunate dealings with Ames the chance to share their anguish.
Many on this site have come and gone, we have seen some pathetic trolls one here that try to disrupt the discussions but now it’s all just got plain boring.
Fdnrm will still be on here 10 years from now arguing with anyone with a bad word to say about his mate Ames.
The fools that still argue with the sad person obviously have nothing better to do than keep that sicko entertained.
Again! well done BFP for starting the demise of toad face Ames and the harlequin scum.
DDAN – A sentiment shared by “the silent majority”. Spot On !!!
@DDaN, I find that being called a “sicko” is personally insulting and as such constitutes DDaN being a troll.
@BBaywatch, would you agree with that?
@FDNRM to clarify, I will no longer address you with a comment or reply to you . I still might comment about you and the nonsense you write. But even that , I doubt I will bother to do…..you are just not worth it.
Sicko, I think , is actually a compliment for you.
Bye now!
Does anyone on here know how the H-Hotel was paid for. Did
it come from investors or Dave’ pocket or did Dave use investors
money without qualification? I don’t remember anyone claiming
to have invested in it. All Barbados investments seem to have
been for Merricks.
@Yatinkiteasy, you naughty boy, you just could not resist could you. Now make your mind up, to comment or not to comment?
@ Perplexed
I don’t know the answer to your question, and suspect that no-one except Mr Ames will until the accounts are filed for the Caribbean companies, if they ever are.
I can confirm a rumour doing the rounds in Barbados which is that although Harlequin only obtained Government agreement on a waiver of duty for Merricks (so not for the H-Hotel), all of the purchases for the hotel were booked against the Merricks waiver.
Perhaps David Campion, the ex-boss of HD Studio, who recently set himself up in Barbados as Argo Studio, could help us understand what happened.
SGD – Thanks for the response. However I am pretty certain that
the imports were done on the Alamanda/H-Hotel waiver and Merricks
Show Village grandfathered on that. Surprisingly (or not) it looks
like the Alamanda was purchased by one of the SVG registered
companies, but my question remains –how was it paid for?
Merricks Show Village and H were granted separate concessions by Government consequently the projects were invoiced by contractors/suppliers independently of each other
@perplexed – you are asking about the funding? My understanding is that it was sold as units like all of the other Harlequin ‘investments’ (including Blu Hotel) and that it was sold out almost as soon as it was offered. Of course like all Harlequin ‘investments’ the funding was co-mingled so investors in any of the other projects might have found their money used on H Hotel and vice versa. I assume that this would mean that any rescue plan involving Buccament Bay or Hotel Blu will also have to bear the burden of investors losses in H Hotel ( and all of the other projects) unless of course the H Hotel can be resurrected – in which case it will also have to carry the burden of losses on projects that have no hope of being continued – or were never on in the first place like Brazil and Jamaica.
It is a complete mess and no surprise that on reading various websites and forums relating to investment that Harlequin Property is now synonymous with ‘failed overseas development’ or ‘problems with SIPP’ ( and other pension investments).
Harlequin is now totally toxic as a brand and I cannot believe that anyone will be found to invest a single penny more – which is perhaps why nothing has been heard following the last meeting. Liquidation looks more and more like the only way to draw a line under the current situation.
Latest reviews on TA suggest that the management of BB is as chaotic as ever and that the long term problems are still not being addressed and that although the units are perceived to be of quality the other hotel services and amenities fall well below luxury standards.
@Bbaywatch, “HP is now a toxic brand and I cannot believe that anyone will be found to invest a single penny more. Liquidation looks more and more like the only way to draw a line under the current situation” If so why has it not happened. I would suggest that people nearer the true situation (RL for instance) have had the opportunity to liquidate but are taking a more pragmatic view. As for additional investment, I suggest you watch this space.
Nobody knows what’s really going on, unless you are Ames or RL – so stop guessing.
All purchasers will have signed contracts with a company set up specifically relating to the resort in which they have invested.for example,no one who has invested in merricks can claim against the assets of Buccament Bay etc.etc.Different companies.True?
@Jennifer Wilkinson
Yes I had the letter today, I think its good news indeed, mine mentioned about not being able to get information from HP / administrators ect.but its almost an admission of guilt?
Pannone last week were starting the FOS claim as TM had had long enough, maybe this prompted them into action?
I started my claim around March. I will speak to them Monday
@WOW.
Why do you call the purchasers? it was an investment.
Investors logically can only claim against the company they have a contract with.
You can’t take you M&S chicken back to Tesco can you?
If the claims are being upheld this should be great news for any rescue plan, is it not ? 😉
Imagine what a positive impact it would have if for example investors could actually get their money back by suing TM or (an another IFA) TM sold well over 1500 units.
I know Erica said she would poo poo any rescue plan – that’s just a stupid thing to say.
This would ease HP’s cash flow, maybe even give the cash investors some hope.
Great for investors, not great for IFA’s
This is indeed good news. Did I not say the IFA/SIPP providers would become the main target? Liquidation the only answer? I think not.
Karma is coming after you.3.21pm.
Purchaser or investor. Investor or purchaser.maybe i should have used the word investor ?
Could someone explain why a successful claim against an IFA would be great news for a rescue plan? Why would it?
@Kroll
Simply put it means anyone who invested via a SIPP can get their money back by suing the IFA for bad advice.
This is good!
This takes the burden off Harlequin and will help the rescue plan in terms of cash flow.
They don’t have to give the money back (even if they had it to give & they clearly don’t)
But as long as you got your money back, who cares? 😉
Unless you are an IFA
@WOW.
Its just that the crackpot Erica always corrected people for saying ‘investors’ as apparently she preferred ‘purchaser’
Very helpful ! I wondered if you were her?
Kroll.
The Peaple behind closed doors would know,sorry i can not help you more.
SBSAI – How in the name of the Good Lord can one help “cash flow”
(even if they had it to give & they clearly don’t…) when there in no
prospect of getting any? Its all smoke & mirrors. Just where will
new money come from? That is a serious question. There is no
white knight in shining armor. Period !!!
This is surly the way forward? Better get in quick before they all go bust and you are left with the FOS capped at £150,000.
Wow – could you ever help?
Anonymous, You are too stupid to comprehend, so I won’t try to explain. I would have more chance explaining to my 3 year old.
@Anon 8.43. You really don’t have a clue. If there was no chance of a rescue why have the SD not been actioned. liquidation is no good for anybody and that is reason it has not happened. No new money? you might be suprised.
Whoever is advising some of you is talking crap.
so is Fatchett does not represent me.
Karma is coming after you. 8.27
Oh no I am certainly not Erica.we are poles apart she is trying to destroy my dream .
@its all bonkers. Have any of the SD been auctioned? Has liquidation taken place? Do you know no new money is a possibility? Which part of that is crap?
Fatchett does not represent me. all of it!!
So; if an investor (and subsequently hundreds, maybe thousands of investors) successfully sues their IFA because it is proved beyond all reasonable doubt in a UK court that the IFA negligently and wrongly advised them that it was a good idea to invest in Harlequin, that’s good news for Harlequin?
And is it right that the only problem is cashflow, since Harlequin have spent every penny of the £400 million invested for ALL resorts across the Caribbean to build a couple of hundred units at BB? Why did a cashflow problem arise when most of the resorts were sold out years ago? (My God! It’s just dawned on me that this could, in fact, be a ponzi scheme!?!).
I’m amazed it’s taking so long for an investment fund to come and snap up the Golden Egg that is the Harlequin Empire the uniquely ingenious model devised by Ames.
Hypothetical – What if: DA suddenly has 5/10 million to plow back into
Harlequin. 1. Interpol/US Homeland Security et al would immediately
suspect money laundering and do such a thorough source check
first on the “donor” that DA would at last find out what it means to
have audited books.
2. a- Drug money
b-Terrorist money (al Queada)
c- Legitimate investor
(Who knows what the outcome would be?)
The truth is though that none of this ain’t gonna happen!
Before the true believers get all bent out of shape this is
simply a hypothetical.
@Anon RU, who said anything about an “investment fund”
@Anon, not if the investment is from a respected company then no ” money laundering ” would be suspected.
@FDNRM
Will you be supporting Mr Fatchet if he can save your investment, or still say he is a nasty ambulance chaser?
@gapmmdsaIFA and what part do you think Fatchett is playing in raising new funds? Do you think new funding would have been easier with SD hanging over HP? Mr Fatchett does not represent me so he will not have “saved” my investment.
women, children and Fatchett does not represent me. first!
what a gobshite hypocrite he is
@Its all bonkers, I find your language offensive and as such, by BBaywatch criteria, you are a troll. Hope you are pleased with yourself. Just for your information I was asked a question by Go Ahead Punk…. and answered him. What gives you the right to comment on my answer I don’t know. Just full of your own self importance I guess.
@FDNRM
What “respected company” is seriously going to invest in this car crash. Don’t worry, I don’t expect you to answer that. Not that you know the answer, you are simply spouting the rubbish someone’s fed you with.
@Anon 10.22, ask yourself this, why have the SD not been actioned, why no court cases. Why no liquidation? Why has GF gone very quiet with the usual public statements? Wait and see.
@ Its all bonkers
Are you an IFA by any chance 😉
@FDNRM
Maybe he is busy saving your investment!
@go ahead punk …….. Perhaps he should withdraw the SD if he wants to save investors investments. Maybe he should denounce Erica for ” poo pooing” any rescue plan.
I think Gareth Fatchett knows what is best for his clients.
Maybe G Fatchett should now represent FDNRN? A name change?
@SOSS looks like you have given me one. Lol
RL will withdraw nothing unless and until they get their clients out. HP know this. Anyone near to HP would confirm this.
RL have letters of claim with all the SIPP providers. This will emerge as the way forward with HP blessing. Wait for the splash as IFAs go overboard on the good ship Harlequin.
RL have their mates in Risk Warning on the case. Eg Pannone and No5 Chambers.
Lots is happening behind the scenes. Speculate all you want. Clearly a few of you have details. Specific references confirm that.
@The Real Real
My last post got lost??? Them bloody Masons…..
A rather big splash and a cheers as they are thrown overboard 🙂
It’s the only chance we have, why would anyone not do it?
Shame for the poor IFA’s pocketing about 10% of the purchase price out of your deposit. eg. £100k deposit, £300k end price approx £30k to the IFA in commission.
Well they will need it to take on; RL and their mates in Risk Warning Pannone and No5 Chambers.
Time is running out for them!!!
I have had dealing with two of the firms, and very close to a result.
All,
Restructure
We continue to work with Harlequin to seek an amicable solution. Due the sensitive nature of matters, we are not going to offer any update at this time.
IFA Advice
We have received and seen the first wave of IFA responses to our allegations that the advice given (both in relation to the Harlequin Property investment and the advice to transfer into a SIPP) was unsuitable.
The bulk of the advice we have seen is entirely formula based. Therefore, we can predict the response from each respective firm.
We have seen a range of responses.
(a) We have seen admissions. Clients should now be offered redress.
(b) We have seen outright denials that the advice is unsuitable. We feel that this approach is simply delaying the inevitable. These cases have been referred to FOS or are being prepared for court.
(c) We have seen cases where the IFA denies any part of the transaction by using a sister unregulated company.
eg Jones IFA Limited (FSA / FCA regulated) and Jones Alternative Limited (not regulated).
The key error in this strategy is that most firms doing this did not register their “close links” with the FSA / FCA. Additionally, the bulk of clients relied on the primary firm as being protected. We expect FCA intervention into some of these firms.
With insurers actively looking to exclude advice relating to Harlequin Property from their coverage time to get a notification in is ticking. Logically, all annual policies will be renewed in a 12 month period. Therefore since January 18th 2013, we have had 6 months. Therefore, 50% of time has already gone.
If your investment was over £50,000.00 then you need to act. We have warned about this in the past and will continue to do so. By doing nothing, you could prejudice your position.
SIPP Trustees
We have issued letters of claim to all the major SIPP providers who have taken part in investing in Harlequin. The lawyers acting for their insurers are due to respond soon to us.
We know that nearly all SIPP’s paid investor money to HMSSE rather than the respective Caribbean company. Is this not a breach of trust ?
Conclusion
Working alongside our restructure efforts, we are going to encourage anyone and everyone with a SIPP / regulated advice to notify a claim. Some people will inevitably be critical of this approach and suggest we are “ambulance chasing”. We reject this as we have been proven right on the need to notify claims and our core suggestion (supported by the FCA) that the advice was unsuitable (in all but a small number of cases) and that the SIPPs made serious errors in their administration of your monies.
As always, if you want to talk about protecting yourself, please contact Phil Haslam or Martyn Anderson on 01384 889900.
Regulatory Legal Solicitors
@O Lord. Etc etc. The details you have set out above is an excellent approach. I don’t regard this approach as ” ambulance” chasing but you are now going after the correct people. This is something I advised some time ago following my interview with the SFO. If this approach covers the majority of investors who could get their deposits back then good on them. Hopefully this will satisfy the majority, leaving a small minority who want to continue with HP to work with the rescue plan. I for one make no appology for working with the rescue plan.
@ Fatchett does not represent me. you changed your tune then you pompous little git.
@its all bonkers. I find your language offensive. By calling me a pompous little git marks you down as a troll, as per BBaywatch criteria.
Its all bonkers
Its called being practical, you nob
I don’t understand why anyone would engage with harlequin. Ames has shown himself to be a liar and a crook. He never protected/escrowed money, it’s always been about paying himself before even owning property never mind building. Rl strategy looks sound other than that.
@O Lord etc etc. exactly. We would all have liked a situation where multiple resorts were being built, money is flowing, the SVG. Airport was completed. But it hasn’t happened and while I did not agree with RL initial actions, the post above has focused the possible compensation efforts in the right areas.
I despair that so much money is being wasted on legal fees, consultancy fees and administrators’ fees in order to try to find a way to rescue or restructure a ponzi scheme.
Please help me, anyone in the know (STFU FDNRM – be offended, shut up, sit in the corner, and let the grown-ups talk).
What previous experience does Gareth Fatchett/RL have in mergers and acquisitions or hostile takeovers? I wouldn’t be totally surprised if he does have some experience as he’s a very clever man, but I am at a complete loss as to why any intelligent person would be trying to float the Harlequin boat (sinking ship).
How much more money will be taken from investors? It seems absolutely ridiculous. I think maybe Gareth needs to step back and have a long hard think about what he is trying to achieve in the long run. The model and the Harlequin plan does not work. Why is he wasting investors’ money dragging it out?
His argument may be that he is trying to get investors 20p in the pound rather than 30p. I think he needs to stop gambling / trying to be a martyr and stop dicking about. Take some proper, decisive legal action and get what’s left of investors money back instead of wasting it on the Harlequin dream (which he seems to have fallen for).
There is no rescue plan. Nobody will buy this. Is DOES NOT WORK.
FDNRM: The only pompous person (of dubious morality) is you. No I’m not a troll. Just a person who sees thru you and will eventually get the tremendous satisfaction of seeing your deluded world collapse around you. What a pathetic creature you are. Keep going, the only source of your whole being is the hate you generate thru your banal comments. You sad, sad, pathetic individual. Having said that, your comments have provided me with so many chuckles. Please keep them coming!!
Looks like open season on IFA’s – inspired by the Basildon Bunker? Certainly there is the suggestion of a degree of orchestration about the various comments posted, but the potential for blowback makes this high risk. Will Mr Ames “FSA have crawled all over it” statement be run back on him? SFO and Inspector Knacker’s investigations ongoing, splits in the camp with IFA’s thrown to the wolves, more bills becoming due with no income to pay them – it will get a lot nastier and dirtier yet. Expect more cod Masonic nonsense and sanctimonious claptrap from the turncoat in chief – pull up a chair, this is going to be entertaining.
Isn’t it so obvious which posters just want HP fail judging by the above posts.
@icu4wur, back from the pool then? You obviously been in the sun too long. How you can write a whole post just about me is unbelievable.
@BBaywatch. This comment is aimed at you. You seem to think the Basildon bunker is responsible for the IFAs being being the focus of attention. You must think the SFO is influenced by outsiders. Understand this, it was the SFO who suggested the focus of their attention would be the IFAs, not them being driven by some outside influence. You need to put your conspiracy theories to one side. Or do you have a vested interest in this?
I imagine many of the dirty, greedy IFAs will begin to feel that they have every reason to be extremely co-operative with the SFO. I think it’s called plea bargaining.
What a revolting show it’s going to be. Hold onto your hats, Harlequin. You and your despicable associated companies will implode in an explosive diatribe of accusation, excuse and denial.
I have no idea why people have been so lax in putting in claim, pretty dumb,
do it now or be excluded by the PI cover
Anon-ru
Absolutely brilliant post. This is going to be quite a week coming up.
(one small nit to pick …you cannot implode and explode at the same
time….my inner Hawking got the best of me).
Certainly there appears to be some degree of HP orchestration in the current scapegoating of the IFA’s and SIPP providers. The same sort of heavy handed rhetoric we saw when the renegade builder was being blamed for everything under the sun (whatever happened to the Irish court case?!) and then Wilkins Kennedy, and then Gareth Fatchett etc, etc. All this while the innocent Ames holds his hands in the air and pretends this mess has nothing to do with him. This really is the the last throw of the dice for Ames and his supporters and only cat’s paw diehards like FDNRM could fail to see the irony. By all means go after the greedy, ignorant morons who lined their pockets punting this basket-case undertaking but do not forget the grand architect. We have not heard the last of the SFO and contrary to what our friend FDNRM claims, they will not be interested in the bit part players.
@ Kroll.
Are you the insolvency practitioner Kroll?
@Kroll, implying the SFO are liars then? Such a lofty statement. You think the IFA/SIPP providers are “bit part players” That shows a lack of a basic understanding of the situation.
After having the weekend to reflect on recent developments, this is how I see things panning out……
Investors who want their money back and invested via a SIPP, they must do so very quickly or face possible being excluded from the PI insurance, and maybe not acting would infer doing nothing to mitigate the FOS claim?
They will have the FOS to fall back on, but that can be complex and time consuming.
Cash investors / loan investors have always been in a tricky situation; nothing has changed apart from a glimmer of hope.
If, most of the SIPP investments are dealt with via the mis selling route, that gives Harlequin breathing space and a fair ‘chunk’ of equity, to progress with some ‘controlled’ borrowing…….. or being able to raise completion funds?
I am aware the stat demands have a negative impact on this, but surely something can be worked out, somehow?
It would be naive to think cash investors will get the whole amount back straight away, but I fail to understand why investors would not buy into this plan.
Unless like some you want Harlequin to fail, Ames in jail, and all the investors to get their money back and all live happily ever after – its a fairy tale, it must be a compromise.
I have to date never come across a plan that seeks to keep Harlequin going and offer some form of redress to investors?
Even the most pro Harlequin person FDNRM will work with the plan!
There seems to be a popular notion here that if the various IFAs PII or (less likely) FSCS pays out, that the debts (or obligations that will eventually become debts) will disappear leaving Harlequin with less of a solvency challenge and therefore able to carry on in some way, shape of form in a rescue package with those investors who haven’t gained compensation… It won’t.
Debts don’t disappear unless the debtor disappears i.e. liquidated, all that happens is that the debts are transferred to someone else to chase i.e. the insurance companies etc. Obligations transferred under any compensation arrangement will eventually become debts since Harlequin don’t and won’t have the resources to build the remaining resorts.
However deflecting the activity on to the IFAs will buy DA time, which is all he has ever sought to do since this hit the fan at the beginning of the year, as will going through the motions of considering any rescue plan.
From RL’s point of view, I’d say that they are obliged to continue “trying” to formulate a rescue plan even whilst pursuing other avenues. However any rescue plan will require open books and answers to the 34 questions asked over 3 months ago, something that DA has fought hard against with anyone and everyone to date, so why anyone thinks he will change tack now is beyond me, however going through the motions again buys him time.
Hold on….
“All,
Restructure
We continue to work with Harlequin to seek an amicable solution. Due the sensitive nature of matters, we are not going to offer any update at this time.
RL.”
Why not?
What sensitive nature?
If any rescue plan is to work (very doubtful) then things need to be open and transparent for purchasers and future potential investors alike.
For too long we have been kept in the dark by Ames and now our supposed rescuers RL are to do the same?
Lets be honest, it has failed because of poor management along with purchasers monies spent on excessive commissions, over the top marketing, vintage-aircraft, a burnt out boat and all sorts of Ames’s whims that we had NO say in.
Whilst I would like the dream to come to fruition, I’m not sure if RL are best qualified to do what they are doing with Harlequin? Have they any experience in saving any companies from collapse in the past? Why are they our only hope at the moment?
Don’t think for one minute I’m knocking RL and what they are doing. That is not the case. I am simply stating asking why RL and WHY the continued secrecy?
If RL are to be the saviours of Harlequin and the dream, then please for us purchasers sake, keep us informed! You will get more support from us purchasers by being open and transparent! Do not get into the Ames mentality of not updating us or feeding us b#llshit!
I do hope that RL can salvage something out of this mess, but I am sure that the majority of purchasers will agree with me, Ames should not be included in any rescue plan.
Time to go, he has had his day!
Does it not occure to some of the posters on here that any potential investor requires CONFIDENTIALITY at this stage. I can imagine DA/RL making an announcement that ABC company are interested in a cash injection. The Wigan Bunker (I will poo poo any rescue plan) would be straight on the line to the potential investor, Panorama, Jon Austin, Irish builders and anyone else that can be mobilized to try and scupper the proposals.
And to keep shouting Liquidation shows a understanding that can only be influenced by the Irish Builders.
@NC I agree with your comments. They show an understanding and some common sense. Unlike the 2 posts Car Crash Watcher and Conned who obviously dont want a solution which helps the 3500-9000 (depending on what you read) investors
@FDNRM
Sadly most don’t understand the word CONFIDENTIALITY, especially the Wigan Bunker. Who will do anything to stop any rescue plan
@FDNRM…. as usual you choose to get the wrong end of the stick!
You only read and understand what your little mind wants to understand.
Re-read my last post you idiot, tell me where it says I don’t want a solution to help the purchasers?
Or was it the bit about ousting Diddy Dave you didn’t like?
Tw#t!
@Conned, your comment regarding openness and sensitive nature. You obviously do not understand the issue of confidentiality. What a pity you cannot post without using offensive language like Tw#t. Shows a lack of maturity.
Latest bad reviews of BB paint a picture of a place falling apart. Without proper management and cash to run the resort and restaurants , it is hard to see it surviving until the winter season. Then again, maybe DA will spit out a few million to keep it going .
@Fdnrm…
Offensive language…?
From Wikipedia…
“Modern usage
Although sometimes used as a reference to the female genitalia, the word twat is more often used in various other ways:
As a derogatory insult, a pejorative meaning a fool, a stronger alternative to the word twit – ‘He can be a complete twat’ (often used in the UK)
To hit something (or someone) hard or violently – ‘Let’s get out there and twat it!”
Read into it what you will….
My comment is sound and just.
I am a purchaser along with many others. We are entitled to know what is going on with OUR monies. We had enough of this secretive cr#p with Ames at the helm, so RL and all others should understand this.
What could possibly be sensitive other than working out a private escape deal for Ames?
All along Harlequin have deemed that they are something special and that their business is sensitive and confidential. What a load of CR#P! It’s just a business like any other.
Sensitivity went out the window when Ames called the administrators in, and then blatantly lied to us all at the purchasers meetings.
Its a smokescreen to hide what they don’t want us to know, which is totally unacceptable!!!
@Yatinkiteasy, yes the review of June, 5* resort. Yet another Yatinkiteasy one eyed review. Would would be far more credible if you posted the good with the bad. Some hope!
@Yatinkiteasy
are you sure your not from the Wigan bunker? Where only negative comments are allowed?
@Conned you have purchased nothing, you invested 😉 and got it wrong so do something about it.
@Conned, tut tut, the font of all knowledge, BBaywatch has demonised the pro harlequin posters who use offensive language as trolls. Describing me as the same as female genitallia is to me offensive. You are therefor a troll. I’m glad you think your comments are sound and just. Say it enough times and you will believe it.
Erika is not really an investor. That was revealed after her (1)5 minutes of fame on Radio 4. Therefore if Conned is Erika they are lying about being an investor.
Neville Chamberlain sounds a lot like R Legal.
I most certainly am not R Legal!
I take that as a complement 😉
This idea that suing the IFAs will solve Harlequin’s liquidity problem does not make sense. Any money is due to the investor and I imagine that most people receiving a cheque from an IFA would run and put it in the bank. The last thing they would do is reinvest it in Harlequin again, after all of the pain they have had.
With LIAT (luggage in any terminal) only flying at 30% capacity and being criticised for high inter island fares, would a new airport with direct flights in SVG increase the tourist industry. Would anyone with, lets say 20 years tourist industry experience in the Caribbean care to comment on an underperforming airline?
@SGD, has the thought of external investment crossed your mind?
Trip advisor review July 2013. Beware LIAT airways. Yet another negative review of the island connecting airways. Lets hope the new airport will stop this negative press.
I see that Hyatt are to invest in a portfolio of 13 resorts in three Caribbean countries with a total of 5,800 rooms. The investment is valued at $325m USD. Contrast that with Harlequin who have invested £300m GBP, and so far produced one resort and one downmarket hotel and built either 166 or possibly 300 rooms – depending on what you read.
Comparing those figures I’m sure that Harlequin will find no difficulty in attracting external investment – with the value for money that they can extract from investment it’s the deal of the decade!
As usual, only 1/2 the story. $100m investment, the rest is a stock investment in the pea rent company. So the implication that Hyatt have bought 13 resorts for $325m is bending the truth. The full article is in the Wall St Journal. Come on BBaywatch, if you are going to throw mud then at least throw it in the right direction.
LIAT might be a crap airline (ok we know they are) but you can hardly blame BB’s woes on them. Was it LIAT’s fault that the power went out?
HP owes LIAT £50,000 anyway, if you haven’t paid for it, you can’t complain
ITS A BOY…….8LBS 6OZS
does Fatchett does not represent me. ever stop contradicting posters. ?? wot a pedantic old braggart he is.
No I’m not, or is that a contradiction?
FDNRM…..you’re right, you’re worse.
It’s All Bonkers
He is a bit like you a nob
@St George’s Dragon
But, if that enabled some people to get paid off, is that not a good thing?
If the stat demands were paused, to enable some draw down finance is that not a good thing?
What if, then there really was some mortgage finance?
What’s the alternative? Liquidation?
All the so called ‘know it all’s’ on this blog have yet to come up with any alternative – apart from slagging off any attempt at a rescue plan.
Just a bunch on moaning old gits
@ Your all mad as hatters
make sure you change your name back to Fatchett does not represent me.
you dOn’t want to get caught out name changing like you did last time do you? LOL
Nothing to do with me.
A slight variation,
”We should seek by all means in our power to avoid liquidation, by analysing possible causes, by trying to remove them, by discussion in a spirit of collaboration and good will.
I cannot believe that such a programme would be rejected by the investors of this country, even if it does mean the establishment of personal contact with the dictators”
@jack sparrow
“….all the so called “know it all’s” on this blog have yet to come up with an alternative.”
The difference between the more negative voices on this site and those who glibly talk of rescue plans and turnarounds is that the cynics tend simply to focus on the facts of the matter instead of constantly seeking to interpret reality in a way more favourable to their own circumstances. To some extent this is a natural tendency for those who have invested both financially and emotionally but it is ultimately unhelpful to their situation.
My own view is that there is no viable alternative to liquidation. The money has been spent, there is no chance whatsoever of external finance being secured and we are where we are: in a complete disaster zone from which the only silver lining is the possibility of finding redress from those who helped bring about this mess. The only judgement call is when the plug should be pulled, a nuanced issue open to some debate. I appreciate that people find it difficult to accept that there is no viable solution but sometimes in life things turn out badly and there is no happy ending. Naive talk of rescue plans is quite simply not rooted in reality. As the great Kenny Rogers said: “you’ve gotta know when to hold ’em, know when to fold them!”
@Kroll – quite so, many investors also seem incapable of realising that building the resorts is not an end in itself. With no evidence that Harlequin are capable of managing resort hotels and producing profit from those operations there will be no chance of investment. Despite the predictable attempt to twist what I said about Hyatt entering the market, that news is still of prime relevance as Hyatt is a proven brand, is investing in destinations with established tourism infrastructure and will be servicing the all important North American market. The Harlequin programme is years behind schedule in destinations where the brand might compete, in an unproven market lacking tourism infrastructure in SVG where the only significant development has been carried out and of such a small scale in St Lucia that it will not generate significant profits.
How anyone can expect such an operation to attract further investment, service its current debt levels and still return profits at the levels previously advertised is incredible. Liquidation does not just seem to be the most sensible option but also inevitable.
@ Kroll are you an insolvency Practitioner? You sound like one!
@BBbaywatch, so lets just give up – great idea
Fdnrm, seems you are the lone troll now your mate Richard Ingham has give up.
And don’t lie about not using multiple names either, you have been caught out in the past.
You really are arguing with yourself now…its quite pathetic and sad….get a life.
@Kroll, “no chance of external finance being secured” . As the great Kenny Rodgers used to sing, “the coward of the county” who came back fighting.
@BBAywatch. Funny how your protestations are challenged suddenly your words are “being twisted” Your quote regarding the Hyatt investment was selective, you know it and I know it. You have been found out mate.
@where is ….. Where in Wigan with you?
It didn’t take long did it for the Wigan Bunker’s silence to break, what’s up no blog ….. feeling low? A bit stupid?
Nobody to accuse of being a PI, what happened to the PROOF that WTF was a PI………. get back to comfort eating.
FDNRM, maybe wrong but he is not dangerous and super morbidly obese.
@Jack Sparrow- I don’t think that you will find anywhere that I or other Harlequin critics have ever said “just give up”. Unfortunately like some other investors you are a bit blinkered when reading others posts – some deliberately twist and distort what was said, but we are all bored with that – don’t project onto others what you think they are saying.
Accepting the possibility (probability even) of liquidation might be the most creative route to preserve what you can of your investment. Consider that liquidation and settlement at a point where there is some residual value in the company might be preferable to hanging on to the bitter end and getting nothing.
Captain Jack as a character was pragmatic – always living to fight another day – a good lesson.
Has in not registered in your thick skulls that there are 3/6000 unhappy purchasers from your mob, so directing every negative comment at the ”wigan bunker” just shows your trolling tactics are slipping.
@Wheres Richard etc etc And has it not registered in YOUR thick skull that not everyone who does not post anti HP property is a troll? Having a different point of view is in your world unacceptable. Just like the Wigan bunker mentality.”FDNRM seems you are the lone troll now” How predictable. I have a life thank you. Unfortunately it involves having to put up with rubbish like this.
@BBaywatch please explain where the contents of this have been twistedhttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323309404578615631573338700.html
Or are you just going to toss a grenade and then duck back down again without justifying the obvious errors in your statements.
Believe me we are all bored with that.
@FDNRM, you don’t have to put up with anything. All you need to do is close down this blog and get on with that life you supposedly have, that you seem to fit in with being on here 16 hours a day. If all you’re doing is defending yourself from people’s accusations, why do you bother? What could you possibly gain?
@SID,
That’s why the tubby trio closed down the blog. It achieved NOTHING.
@Sid, I’ll tell you why I spend so long on here, to stop the lies and 1/2 truths being posted by the anti HP brigade who have a vested interest in bringing it down. For instance BBaywatch posted above “Hyatt are going to invest in 13 resorts in 3 carabbean countries” and then went on to give an opinion what good value that was compared with the HP build program vs investment. The reality is completely different. And I quite. “Hyatt will spend $100 million for a 20% ownership stake and $225 million for convertible preferred stock in Playa, a privately held hotel-investment company.Playa’s hotel portfolio will include 13 resorts totaling about 5,800 rooms across the Dominican Republic, Mexico and Jamaica. Playa will sign franchise agreements with Hyatt for six of the 13 resorts, which will operate under Hyatt brands after renovations are completed.” So as you can see the reality is totally different to BBaywatch interpretation of the truth. And its that misinformation which pisses me off!
To whoever said earlier that FDNRM wasn’t dangerous, I would agree. I think he probably was in the first instance — bent as he was on trying to distort the reality of the situation in order to allow more poor souls to part with their cash; circumstances have undone him however, and the harder he tries to make his case now, the more clear it is that there is no real case to make. The endless obsession with the “Wigan Bunker” and the Irish builder, and the stubborn belief that they are the root of any possible dissent now looks so preposterous, that so does he. The wilful attempt to ignore questions that he can’t answer, or stare fairly blatant facts in the case and avoid them (preferring to obsess about the minutiae of irrelevant issues) makes his whole position look a bit silly.
As has been mentioned previously, the overarching issue that undermines this rescue plan (as far as I can see) is that the £400 million — or debts within that being pursued by creditors — doesn’t just go with FSCS intervention, the creditor merely changes. It’s not that easy to make that amount of money disappear. It might buy time, but it will presumably serve only to generate a bigger creditor with more resources and deeper pockets.
In addition, the idea that external finance would appear now, where it didn’t appear when times were good, seems bizarre. It seems that loads of different banks crawled all over it at the time, and rejected it. Of course the usual tactic of “we have amazing news that we just can’t tell you about” seems to now only be working with the most ardent of believers (the idea that keeping it secret so that Erica can’t scupper it elucidates fairly efficiently the lack of understanding of the sophistication truly involved in something of this nature).
DA is on film saying that this was a very low risk investment — but the tactic now appears to be based on suggesting that the IFAs are at fault for essentially saying the same thing.
@DUG, I take issue with the fact you think I wanted others to part with their money. I have never advocated that anyone should invest in HP. “The endless obsession with the Wigan bunker etc” Well if people stopped calling me a troll then fair enough, but while they still do then, straight back at you.
Class decide!………
In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally[3][4] or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[5] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[6]
@fdnrm I can see where you come from with your stance about making sure that HP is not done down, however surely even you can see that it just doesnt add up (with or wothout a new airport….SVG/the region in general just aint geared up for a instant bresort of the proposed size
The huge comission given to IFA and all the other issues, you must be able to agree that there is at best serious inept bad management, to a down and out scam (although as a scam it is inceredible clever…involve offshore small island countries and spread the money far and wide….makes it very difficult to follow, compounded by keep no records [or at least not that anybody will Whilst you want to suppoer DA/HP, you must be blind if you cant see that it will ultimately all crumble…..makes no diffeence to me, other thanthe image etc of the Caribbean in general (I do/intend top spend a lot of time in the region]
Decided, describes you down to a tee. i.e. posting selective trip advisor comments to support an argument and not posting a true x section of trip advisor comments. Agreed?
@Dug… Well said… Couldn’t agree more!
I think Fdnrm could be a paranoid Harlequin agent, possibly Brian Croucher, Chris Jones or Raymond Verlaque, as most of these are now scratching for things to do and have a lot of time on their hands.
His views are so pro Harlequin its pathetic!
His paranoia re “The Wigan Bunker” has even led him to accuse me of being Erica! (Laughable… and yep, Tw#t fits)
(Doubtful it’s Katharine Manderfield as she’s posting anonymously on Pimlico Flats, and the blogs here are a bit too intelligent for her).
Not that I really care, but I do feel that he is leading people astray.
Harlequin is over. There will be no rescue plan. No one in their right mind would put another penny into this Ponzi scheme. Ames is just trying to buy time, trying to save his own ass.
Cash investors will get very little back. SIPP investors MAY be luckier.
I am a four time purchaser and stand to lose a lot of money, but I would not put another cent into this sham!
It needs to die, and die now, and the only people to blame for it are the Ames’s.
We will get very little back, but lets hope they get all that they deserve…….. A nice long holiday at Her Majesty’s pleasure!!!
@Conned, You deserve to be conned. You are not even capable of reading previous posts correctly. IT WAS TS WHO SAID YOU ARE ERICA NOT ME! What an idiot. Never mind go back to Wikipedia and find a saying for “must not make inaccurate comments again” What a silly boy you are. LOL
@fdnrm… Apologies… Unlike you I do not have time to troll through previous posts like you.
Notice there was NO denial of who you are then, just a petty who said what reply?
Enough said…. Tw#t!
@Conned, I am deffinately not any of the people mentioned above if that is what you are referring to. Are you going to dream up some other identities you want to test me with. What a pity you persist in you choice of language. For someone who has invested in 4 properties I think your profanity should be directed at yourself. Obviously not a sufisticated investor are you? End of.
@conned….don’t feed the Troll.
Hi Conned. When you say you are a 4 time purchaser, a 4 time purchaser of what? I purchased 4 apartments at BB, so we are in the same boat. I hope you didn’t buy 4 cabanas as that would be a lot to lose. And don’t you think there is the slightest chance of rescue? I agree Ames is looking to buy time, but surely Fatchett wouldn’t be so heavily involved unless there was some chance of a result?
@FDNRM, nobody deserves to be conned. What a very unpleasant thing to say. Really showing your true colours there.
@Yatinkiteasy,quite right. If posters posted accurate statements, stopped using offensive language, stopped posting lies, and stopped attacking me personally then you would hear far less from me. “Unlike you I do not have time to troll through previous posts like you” has got to be the most stupid of posts ever made. Its being a Troll to make sure archive references are accurate?.How stupid. And Conned only invested in 4 properties? I’m surprised it was’nt 44.
Sid – the wider plan to deal with Harlequin is underway. It is pitiful how much people know about what is really happening on this website.
Harlequin is 80% certain to end up in liquidation at present.
That doesn’t sound like much of a rescue plan?
@Sid… Unfortunately I purchased 4 apartments, 2 at LC, 1 at The Hideaway and 1 at Marquis.
Without the books from the overseas companies, which Ames will not disclose, even RL would be stupid to strike a deal.
So with no deal to be had it’s dead.
As for fdnrm, ignore him, he only spouts crap!
Thanks Conned and So mote it be.
Has anyone had a proper conversation with Fatchett lately? I’d welcome his opinion on all this. I fear that he is motivated by a rescue plan as he will take a % of the refunds he gets the SIPP investors from the IFA’s and doesn’t really care about keeping HP alive. Is that a bit cynical?
@Sid, Was it unpleasant? Conned is continually calling me a TW*T which is the same as a CU*T (female genitalia) Would like to be called a CU*T? Common Sid are you going to answer that one?
@Sid, was the question too difficult for you? Can I call you a CU*T now?
Of course I will answer it. No, I wouldn’t want to be called a c@nt, but I don’t think being called a tw@t carries quite the same amount of offence and you know that.
Whilst I would be rightly offended by being called a c@nt I would rather be called one than taken for one, as I have been by Mr Ames, have I not? Will you answer that one?
Also, yes, you were unpleasant by saying conned deserved to be conned. As I said, no one deserves to be stitched up like we have.
Fdnrm’s showing his true colors now…! why don’t you just go and jump off a cliff and do us all a favour…! better still, take your mate Ames and Ingham, all hold hands while you jump.
That would be a right result.
Lol, go for it. I’m often called worse! 🙂
He’s just getting a bit worked up. He’ll soon calm down once he’s called me a cult.
@Conned
“I think Fdnrm could be a paranoid Harlequin agent, possibly Brian Croucher, Chris Jones or Raymond Verlaque, as most of these are now scratching for things to do and have a lot of time on their hands”…
I recognise two of those names… swindon and south Gloucestershire area. Brian Croucher seems particularly odious as he maintains a pias charitable front whilst MLM selling schemes like this to people who are taken in and trust him… nasty !! I believe Mr Verlaque is busy pushing the Banner Broker ponzi scheme… which looks like its about to colapse too !
or a twit!
@Conned
You were pretty dumb and greedy to buy four units
But twit sounds like tw@t which is apparently the same a c@nt, so every time you call your son/daughter a twit you are actually calling them a c@nt. Luckily FDNRM has shown us the error of our ways.
@wtf, how is buying 4 units dumb and greedy? Because if he’d only bought 1 he would have only been ripped off a little bit, which is ok?
@Sid, how pompous and arrogant to assume what does/does not offend me. Conned made it perfectly clear with his definition from Wikipedia what word he was referring to and it was not twit. You might want to make lite of this but your attempt at humor is pathetic.What a pity you could not be even handed in your condemnation of phraseology.
At no point have I said what should and shouldn’t offend you an agree that is an entirely personal thing. I stated than on a social scale tw@t is not generally considered to be on the same level of offence as c@nt.
Are we really having this debate?
Both terms are extremely offensive; but I would say that because I’m a
cunning linguist. 😉
But FDNRM
You yourself have called people a twat, a pillock and an arsehole. So stop being such a lying hypocrite.
@FDNRM, you produce more drama than ITV 🙂
@Sid, On my social scale the term SOB is not offensive. You try saying it in the US. You criticized my comments to Conned earlier, but now you want to back out of the debate when you know you are wrong. Your appology will be accepted.
@EL2 you are right I have and regretted it afterwards. And it was only in response to being called those words myself. Conned has persisted in using this word on more than one occasion and even justified the use by putting up the Wikipedia definition. which to me shows it was a calculated insult.
@FDNRM, I apologise if I have caused you any offence.
@Poor spelling —-the best “double entendre” on this site yet.
@ FDNRM but you didn’t apologise. That makes you a hypocrite (and a lying twat!).
Fdnrm, if you think C*NT & TW*T are on the same level of abuse you are more of a C*NT than i thought.
@Sid, your appology is accepted and the dabate is finished.
HOWEVER.
@Laddie Pisshead 2 this has nothing to do with you so sod off. Nothing like joining the pack is there. And just when I thought you were getting sensible.
@Where is etc etc. ah bless what a pleasant soul you are. You are obviously obsessed with me as you cannot think of anything else to post about. Your last 4 posts have just been about me. You obviously have the brain capacity of an amoeba. Has your mother got a Jack and Jill book you can read.
@FDNRM, who’s to say EL2 isn’t just as offended by being told to sod off as you are at being called anything to do with female genitalia?
FDNRM you are obsessed with yourself…everyone else I believe deep
down can’t help but pity you. Your whole life seems to revolve around
“owning” a cabana at BB. Get over it, its not to be.
@Sid, he should keep his nose out. Also he used the same offensive language.
@ Anon all they have to do is stop posting about me. Even you are. Why?
@ FDNRM
And talking of hypocrisy… you never did answer that tricky question did you? If Gareth Fatchett is successful in negotiating a rescue plan, will you personally take advantage of the situation, even though you have disparaged his professional credentials and not contributed financially like the other investors?
fdnrm. I very much doubt if you have a family as your only goal in life is to sit by the keyboard 24 hours a day and defend your chum Ames.
You are probably a wrinkled old pervert who gets a kick out of berating people who have lost their life savings.
It must have been a hard life for you as it seems you were dragged up not bought up….i don’t even pity you..you are scum of the earth.
I find all you are a little odd, in a concerning way.
You are having debates on how offensive something is, with people you have never met, or will never meet, with made-up names!!!
The arguments are just based on hearsay and people who think they know what’s actually happening when you know absolutely nothing.
Have you all been duped, possibly, will some get their money back, maybe, will some investors lose their shirts most likely?
However, hey I could be totally wrong, and it will all work out fine.
Nobody can predict the future, just think they can. Ames and RL are the only ones that have any idea what’s going on.
@EL2 it’s not hypocrisy, I have no opinion on a hypothetical question. Why not ask BBaywatch why he bent the facts on the Hyatt investment or Yatinkiteasy why he only posted negative trip advisor when there were an equal amount of positive ones?
@Where is etc etc…. Was that in your Jack and Jill book. Or has your mummy taken it away from you?
Maybe HP accountants,are partial to the following!! 😉
“I Love Double Entry!”
Stoppppp! You’re killing me…..lol
Last one…..
“I cannot see your projection in my inbox”
@ FDNRM
It has nothing to do with Hyatt or negative TA reviews. Why not answer the question – your evasiveness speaks volumes. You seem concerned chiefly with your own personal profit and sod everyone else.
No mas’ por favor no mas’
@EL2 if that’s what you think so be it. However in my opinion GF will notbnegotiate a resume plan. He might be part of a team that does but he won’t do it on his own. That’s why your question is hypothetical.
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you all been shafted out of multi thousands of hard earned cash and all ya wanna do is debate the offensiness of abusive words…Da didnt have to work hard to steal the dosh did he? still at least youall avin a good time and a laff about it all
funny ole world at times
@ FDNRM aka hypocrite
wriggle, wriggle wriggle you nasty little worm.
@Laddie Pisshead2 if you don’t like the answer then don’t ask the question. Why not go away, you are not an investor, just like to continue name calling. If you are capable of asking a relevant question then do it, but not to me. “Nasty little worm” pathetic and pointless, just like you are.
@It really is game over
Dear me,
Are you WTF, capital letters, grammar – I will not be able to sleep!
Please stop.
Ignore the troll FDNRM , it drives him/her crazy!
@Ytinkiteasy, that’s right spend your time making up selective comments from trip advisor. You and BBaywatch do not like it when you are found out to be bending the truth do you?
My God FDNRM has gone just over 12 hours without posting on BFP. Is that a record?
The Brotherhood at work 😉
Have you wondered how the Shipley’s meeting was a non event?
How things have gone so so quiet?
The WTF police story…. hushed up?
The ‘other’ blog gone, why?
The answer is clear….. its the Masons.
They are past masters at keeps things secret.
@EL2 you really do need to get a life. Being an obsessive stalker you need medical help. Obviously maths is not your strong point, its just over 13 hours not 12. Double LOL HA HA HA
Big day on Thursday for Dave Ames,………………….
”The result of the long awaited famous Irish court case.”
I have a sneaking suspicion he will win.
At least then we will have something for FDNRM to write about, getting a tad boring on here now.
I agree with you, where are the “blocking up this thread ” police when you need them.
Mason’s too 🙂 lol
There are some obvious questions for the members lambasting Harlequin.
Why would a “Ponzi” scheme be allowed to remain operating unpunished for several years?
Why have there been no arrests or further action by the police or SFO months later?
Why has Gareth Fatchett changed his tune so dramatically and now wants to work with Harlequin?
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/conmen-used-85m-fraud-cash-jets-cars-230405985.html#dpGhTGu
@TS
I don’t believe it will remain ‘unpunished’ you would be moaning if the SFO went in too early and got it wrong?
How the hell would anyone know what the police or SFO are up to!!
Maybe GF is working in the interest of his clients? again how would we know unless you are a client 😉
Your comments are pretty dumb
@SID
interesting but not relevant?
The actual SIPP companies are fair game now!!!!!!!
All,
Why did the SIPPs pay your pension money to the wrong company ?
During our review of files we have found one set of facts which occurs again and again.
All SIPP investors have via their SIPP Trustee / Operator contracted with a Caribbean company. There are no exceptions to this.
If you review your contract you will see that the counterparty with Harlequin is always a Caribbean company. This is logical as it is these companies who are charged with the development of the properties.
The SIPP Trustee has not provided any investor advice on their investment. All they are needed to do is ensure that the Harlequin investment is an “Approved” investment for the purposes of the HMRC rules. This “approval” process is not an approval in the traditional sense. It seems states that the investment does not offend HMRC rules on eligibility.
The SIPP has basic duties to act in good faith and to ensure the administration of the pension is undertaken properly.
Every SIPP we have seen paid your investment monies to Harlequin Management Services (South East) Limited (“HMSSE”). Why did they not pay it to the Caribbean company they contracted with ?
Breach of Trust
An act (or a failure to act) by a trustee (www.practicallaw.com/8-107-7419) that is not authorised either by the trust document (www.practicallaw.com/resource.do?item=:45310692) or by law. For example, a breach of trust can occur if a trustee:
Distributes trust assets to a beneficiary (www.practicallaw.com/9-382-5565) who is not entitled to them under the terms of the trust document.
Invests the trust fund (www.practicallaw.com/8-382-5580) in a way not permitted by his express or statutory powers of investment.
Breaches a fiduciary duty (www.practicallaw.com/1-107-5744) such as the duty not to profit from the trust, for example, by selling one of his own assets to the trust (see Practice note, Self-dealing by trustees (www.practicallaw.com/3-384-9022)).
Breaches the common law or statutory duty of care, for example, by exercising a power of investment without exercising such skill and care as is reasonable in the circumstances (see Practice note, Trustees’ duties of skill and care (www.practicallaw.com/7-383-9016)).
The trust document may:
Authorise a trustee to do something that is not permitted by the general law. For example, self-dealing may be allowed subject to conditions, and will then not be a breach of trust if those conditions are met.
Excuse a trustee from liability for something that is a breach of trust (a trustee exemption clause). However, trustees have a minimum duty to perform the trusts honestly and in good faith for the benefit of the beneficiaries. An exemption clause cannot excuse a trustee who either knows that his act or omission is contrary to the beneficiaries’ interests or is recklessly indifferent to the beneficiaries’ interests. (Armitage v Nurse and others [1997] EWCA Civ 1279 (www.practicallaw.com/1-383-9279).)
Payment of Investment Monies to HMSSE
We have asked all the major SIPP companies to explain why they paid monies to HMSSE rather than the company you contracted with. They seem to have no answer.
It is highly likely that we will use the Breach of Trust allegations to ask for our clients money back. The beauty of these rules is that we do not need to show causation or loss. We simply need to evidence the breach of trust and ask for our money back.
We are quite sure that the SIPP’s will fight this allegation. However, so did the many IFA firms who sold this product. Now that they have to deal with the complaints some are admitting unsuitable advice. Naturally, some will hold on trying to push back the inevitable.
Action
We would strongly suggest to investors with SIPPs that they have both their advice and their SIPP administration reviewed.
Our panel of law firms / barristers (Regulatory Legal / Pannone / No5) are ready to do this work on a “No Win / No Fee” basis for you. With no upfront cost, you have nothing to loss and much to gain.
Speak to Phil Haslam on 01384 889900. We can then start the process and move you one step closer to resolution of this matter.
@TS good points asked. However unfortunately your comments do not fit in with the anti HP rhetoric so are classed as “pretty dumb” Get used to it.
@All seeing eye, can any fault be found with HMSSE for accepting the money? I can understand the issue with the SIPP companies paying to the wrong company, but what about the receiving company? Many thanks.
Not directly, but goes to show that the police are picking up on fraudsters and that they are being sentenced.
@A Pity (that you replied)
The police and SFO would not sit around for MONTHS after doing NOTHING for YEARS if something was flagrantly amiss.
Gareth Fatchett and his fellow solicitors would not work with a company they suspected could be a fraudulent scheme. Their professional reputations are at stake.
Your opinion about whether or not it will remain unpunished is meaningless because the FACTS are Harlequin has not even faced a charge let alone a conviction.
Yes what a pity.
@Yatinkiteasy, read the latest review on trip advisor? Surprised you have not mentioned it. Oh thats right its a positive one. Must have been a member of staff/someone paid to write it/one of the Ames family/perhaps it was me. I’m sure I’ve missed some reason it cannot be genuine.
@TS Oh dear you will be in for some sh*t today with comments like that. Good job you dont live in Russia you would be off to the Gulag.
Seems like Fdnrm and TS are made for each other…. At least they now have one friend each.
It’s like the “blind leading the blind”!
The truth will come out and when it does, you won’t see these idiots for dust.
At the risk of repeating myself again… Tw#ts!
@TS
I could suggest some possible answers to your questions (I don’t share FDNRM’s convictions that they are “good”).
The question of why it should have been allowed to continue can be easily undone by citing precedent — you could ask the same question of Enron, Madoff, Worldcom or any number of other companies. I’m not saying that it is a ponzi scheme, but I am saying that if you’re taking comfort from the mere fact that it continues to exist as a company, you’re on dodgy ground. Where things go wrong with financial companies, they can take years to unravel.
The question of why no charges have been levelled is similar; no accounts have been filed in the Caribbean for 7 years, and 2 sets of auditors have resigned in the UK. That would suggest that getting an processing the necessary information would not be a straightforward thing to do. There is still no clarity on what has happened/not happened with Eleven Capital — but the unconfirmed allegation is that they had trouble with getting hold of the necessary financial info. The case is still ongoing.
In terms of GF; I would suggest that there may be more to that than meets the eye. If the solicitor’s main intention is to recover funds, he may have decided that it is more pragmatic to go where such funds exist rather than where are none — ie from PI and the FSCS. Remember, he’s not actually making the law — or enforcing it — he’s acting for his clients as best he can in the circumstances to get them money. He can still do this and stay well within the law — but to assume that that means he is necessarily supporting Harlequin by doing this seems flimsy.
In making the points above, I’m not suggesting any conclusions — I’m just saying that if you are using them as a route to the conclusions that you have inferred, you are relying on specious logic and reasoning.
@conned
“Seems like Fdnrm and TS are made for each other” i think they are conjoined twins with multi personalities and FDNRM is talking to himself.
@Orf his trolley… One of the most sensible posts on here for quite a while…. Lol.
@Dug thank you for a reasonable reply.
The problem with the allegations peddled here is the distinct lack of facts to support them. The burden of proof is with the doubters. This all started with Jeremy Newman and Paudie O’Halloran and their anonymous website which was started after they were allegedly caught stealing money. Guilty behaviour if ever I saw it.
@TS
With respect, one could say that not filing accounts for years doesn’t look terrific either. Likewise missing virtually every building deadline (and the catalogue of other issues). If lack of facts is to be the criteria for apportioning blame, I think that Harlequin probably find themselves in a similar boat.
From what I understand, the allegations levelled at Newman remain allegations — and a great deal of content that appeared on the website remains undenied. I’m not saying it was true, I’m just saying it was never formally countered.
I’m interested why you think that the burden of proof is with the doubters.
@Dug because it is an accusation and none of it has been proven. I could say Dug steals milk with no proof. Prove to me that you do not.
Harlequin is suing Newman and O’Halloran for defamation. Is that not a clear indication that they deny the claims? The claims will be heard in a court action that Harlequin has instigated.
All one has is a website that appeared after Harlequin took legal action against the pair of them. I make my own conclusion about that sequence of events.
@TS but it is proven that accounts haven’t been filed in the Caribbean. It is proven that 2 sets of auditors have resigned for the UK accounts. It is proven that the UK sales company has entered administration — and it is proven that deadlines have been missed. If guilt is to be tacitly formed based on circumstantial evidence, there is a strong counter case surely?
What is the current state of play regarding the defamation case? If you are concerned by the perceived delays in any action from the SFO, presumably the same applies here?
If every SIPP that RL has seen was paid to HMSSE rather than to the Caribbean company with which the investor contracted, does that not suggest HMSSE requested that the monies be paid to them. Even if that is the case it does not get the SIPP Trustees off the hook as they are required to act in good faith and to ensure the administration of the pension is undertaken properly as set out in the previous post. However, if HMSSE did not request that the funds were sent to them, that means they had the money credited to them in error and therefore should have returned the money. If HMSSE did not take all reasonable steps to have the wrongful credits cancelled and in fact went on to spend the money, then they are guilty of an offence under the 1968 Theft Act which, bearing in mind the amount, would certainly carry a prison sentence (if found guilty).
@ FDNRM 9.40 am
“Can any fault be found with HMSSE for accepting the money?”
I suspect the answer to that is yes. Shipleys have already said that one claimant under the administration has made out a case to be a creditor because of misrepresentation by HMSSE (see my post July 12, 2013 at 4:24 pm).
The problem, of course, with being a creditor of HMSSE is that although it might give you some influence through the creditors committee, they have no money. Better, perhaps, to go for where there might be money – so the IFAs, which is exactly what your nemesis Mr Fatchett appears to be doing.
The SIPPs are in big trouble. Insurers involved etc.
Remember, the SIPP Investors came later. Not one has completed or is even near doing so.
Dave needs a way of getting rid of their liabilities. Pushing it on to the SIPPs / IFAs is neat. They are not his mates and if they become victims, who cares ?
The writing is on the wall for the advisers / SIPPs.
Will the prospect of getting your money from an IFA / SIPP be enough to keen investors happy ? We wait and see. I suspect it will.
SGD – Isn’t it ironic that after all these many months the ONLY
person to acknowledge receipt of any money from GF is indeed
his nemesis- 100 Pounds “car-fare”……..just saying
It is proven that there is no planning permission on the sites where property is sold. It is proven that they did not own certain land parcels when they were selling units there. It is proven that construction has not begun at any site other than BB and H Hotel, will only a very token effort at Merricks. It is proven that these were supposed to have been completed years ago, never mind started. It is proven Ames took money from purchasers and did not escrow that money before commencing building. It is proven that Ames then comingled that money and did not ringfence it. It is proven that he then paid out commissions to agents as well as himself, in some cases before he owned the land where the property was sold and in almost all cases before planning was agreed. It is proven that he lied about a marina being almost complete when it had not started. It is proven that he stopped paying interest on people’s loans as promised. It is proven he has left debts all over the Caribbean.The list of misdoings by Harlequin and its founder goes on and on. If anyone really wants to wait to hear an outcome of a law suit with the above in mind before making a decision on what direction to take with their money, or what position to take on those who took your money, then more fool you I am afraid. Granted, the choices are minimal for recovery, but to stand by and think Mr Ames is part of a solution is madness. If someone wants to ignore those facts and give Ames the benefit of any doubt (I would be astonished that anyone would still believe he was a capable manager if not an outright fraudster) then that is of course your right as it was to purchase in the first place, but facts to speak for themselves and who cares what another website did or did not say.
Ponzi scheme? Stanford was active in this region for many many years before he came unstuck. Reports had been filed with the SEC years before about him, as with Madoff (as someone else pointed out) and indeed they have been told years ago about Ames. Ponzi scheme/pyramid scheme – it is semantics really. Fact is he took your money and used it to pay very large commissions, enrich himself and did not in fact build you what he was contracted to and the money has gone. Call it what you wish, wait for whatever court case you wish to make your decision, but any reasonable person with common sense can see this is someone that you do not further engage with. An old saying but it does apply – if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, it is a duck. Focus on recovery of what you can should be order of the day, and if a cash investor without recourse through other channels, try to protect investment with cautions on property owned by the company you are contracted with, stat demands (and enforce them as it is every man for himself in situations like this), or protect Bucc Bay and Blu and land by whatever means, but you cannot let it keep going as it is as it will be shut before November, assets stripped by those whose interests are not alligned with yours, or at best its services will be much reduced and reputation done for (as it stands, many people do love BB, so got to somehow protect it)
@Dug a good lie must have plausibility and that is the accounts. Wilkins Kennedy resigned and sacked Jeremy Newman after the facts about the website came to light. Harlequin claims Wilkins Kennedy caused the problems with their accounts because they were after all their accountants and auditors. The defamation case begins in November just so you know.
interesting parallel conversation https://barbadosfreepress.wordpress.com/2013/06/07/what-is-happening-with-harlequin-dave-ames-class-discuss/#comment-1433753
Sorry TS that’s just not good enough in terms of an excuse — nor is it borne out by the report given by the second set of accountants who resigned.
Responsibility for the accounts ultimately lies with the director of the company — the Newman thing is all currently just allegations, but either way the accountants are not the backstop with these things. Given the fact that no accounts have been filed in the Caribbean for 7 years, and that the follow up auditors resigned due to lack of information (a qualification that was given on the previous accounts too) attempting to blame WK and those problems seems disingenuous. Of course the facts listed by 100 above all make for some interesting corroborating information.
I have no specifically anti-Harlequin bias here — the fact that everything is reduced to that is tedious — but looking at things as they present themselves, I know which case I find infinitely more compelling.
“It is proven that there is no planning permission on the sites where property is sold.”
How have they built BB?
TS – It has been rumored on here that the PM’s wife was involved
in the interior decoration and that sacks of cash were left in his office
so off-hand bribery and Political Influence come to mind….
@Anon that is hilarious. Even Eustace would not dare repeat that nonsense.
Lots of piffle nothing new, lets see if he wins the case Thursday!
http://www.caribbeannewsnow.com/svg.php?news_id=14730&start=94&category_id=15
@Dug, if the Newman thing is currently just allegations, which of course strictly speaking it is, then why was he forced to quit Wilkins Kennedy? Wilkins Kennedy may not be to blame, but as it was one of their Directors then the company are potentially culpable.
@FDNRM, please can ask you 1 question and please will you answer as best you can. If I have a contract with HP (as I do) and that contract says if my units aren’t handed over to me by the end of 2008 (and it does) that I am entitled to a full refund (all black and white, not opinion based) and HP are a honourable business (as you believe) then why haven’t I had the refund that I’m entitled to after more than 5 years?
TS – I believe Orf his trolley has re-affirmed everything I said @2:08.
(For some reason my name is changed to 169 sporadically)
@Sid, with all respect EL2 (or is it EL3 as his maths is not very good) as me a series of questions earlier which I was not able to answer and he became very abusive. Therefor please do not ask me questions I am not qualified to answer.
Lets see if any harlequin supporters can answer this simple question..????
@FDNRM/TS/36/Sportman
Have your minders told you to shut up because you’ve made such a ridiculous spectacle of yourself ?
EL3 (my maths is very poor) you are showing yourself up again. TICK TOCK, that’s a clock, can you read one? HA HA
Never mind tick tock, Ames is waiting for the Irish case result today!
For the record, Harlequin are suing Newman for libel, not for any criminal activity as alleged by several posters here. Such allegations are themselves libelous and may be actionable.
@Anon 8.44 You are kidding me. “such allegations are themselves libelous and may be actionable” I must look into this there may be money to be made.
It would be deliciously ironic if Newman became precious about a single comment on BFP after everything he did.
BFP I thought it was your policy for posters to not be allowed to use “Anonymous” as a username?
FDNRM answers himself
I can just imagine councils opening statement –
M’Lud, my client, a failed investor and serial internet troll, temporary employed as a burger flipper, was grossly libelled when the big boys called him nasty names. He was so greatly distressed that he had to retire to the comfort station of his place of employment with his iPad and knock one out in immediate response. He desires recompense in the form of an all expenses paid cruise around Basildon business parks with a free lunch at the High Quality indian restaurant and gym.
Council for the defence (the late great Humph Littleton, for it is he) M’Lud, there is no case to answer as the plaintive is generally recognised as a laughing stock. However if it makes him happy we can examine the records in the basement. I will hold the candle while he blows the dust and wax off.
Case dismissed!
(that’s enough law – ed)
@Leaky Mole, Is it champagne or a wake? You dont really know do you.
@BBaywatch, yes you could imagine anything. You can “imagine” the Hyatt hotel chain investing in 13 resorts, when it is 6. You can “imagine” the the Hyatt hotel chain investing $325m in 13 hotels when is is only $100m During your 20 years Caribbean experience did you ever listen to John Lennon singing Imagine? It must be your signature tune.
HARLEQUIN WINS COURT CASE AGAINST PAUDIE O’HALLORAN
The Irish High Court has confirmed that Padraig O’Halloran is a fraudster who stole money from Harlequin with assistance from Wilkins Kennedy accountant Jeremy Newman, the man behind the Harlecon website which generated huge amounts of negative press for the company and Dave Ames.
BOOM!!!!
Or did I “imagine” that? HA HA
Praise be
FDNRM has exploded!
“with assistance from Wilkins Kennedy accountant Jeremy Newman” – is that in the judgement?
From Hyatt Investor Relations
“Hyatt expects to invest a total of $325 million, consisting of $100 million for an approximate 20 percent ownership stake in Playa and $225 million for convertible preferred stock in Playa.
Playa’s hotel portfolio will include 13 resorts totaling approximately 5,800 rooms across the Dominican Republic, Mexico and Jamaica.”
Couldn’t really be any clearer could it?
@FDNRM
I do know Ames won 😉
So Ames ensures your money gets to him and his agents in commission but does not manage it well enough to allow someone else to run off with it. May be fraud but any half capable developer would never have let it happen in first place. Shows where ames priorities were. Changes very little. 400m gone.
Hooray,Hooray for Harlequin winning the case in the Irish High Court.Looking forward to some more good news soon.
Break open the Champagne !!
@Wow…great news! Now Ames can get on with starting to build the resorts that were supposed to be completed years ago .Im sure Investors will be thrilled with this good news. It will comfort them knowing that they will soon enjoy the rewards of putting their money in someone’s pocket in exchange for a dream villa in the Caribbean.
Boom! Bring on the champagne!
This calls for a slap up meal at The Ivy!
PS who’s paying?
what is the value of the Irish court judgement estimate and how does it match up against the total estimated money put into Harlequin by “investors”?
@BBaywatch, Hyatt press release. “Playa’s hotel portfolio will include 13 resorts totaling approximately 5,800 rooms across the Dominican Republic, Mexico and Jamaica. In connection with the Hyatt investment, Playa will enter into franchise agreements with Hyatt for six of the 13 resorts, or approximately 2,800 rooms, which will operate under Hyatt brands following the completion of significant renovations” What a pity you did not read the whole of the article, the interesting part was AFTER your cut down post.
Now that COULDN’T be any clearer could it SIR.
@EL3 what time would you like to meet there. Oh sorry I forgot, telling the time isn’t your strong point is it.
http://www.ftadviser.com/2013/07/25/ifa-industry/companies-and-people/harlequin-wins-m-misappropriation-case-Cr9G96gGSNFgqbwIwModFK/article.html
If I had a stat demand in place, I would be very pleased with this as I would now expect to be paid or would force liquidation, if indeed the company that won the judgement is the same with whom I was contracting. 8.5m pounds is a drop in the ocean of liability that Harlequin have. There is no way I would take the wait and see approach if I had such a demand. I have never heard the excuse used of being naive for delays to construction. The Caribbean is no place for naive developers, most importantly naive developers should not be taking people’s pension money and not holding them in escrow. We shall see though if they now get planning permission in place for all developments and start building them out.
@ FDNRM/TS/36/Sportman
You don’t get satire do you?
My God, talk about making a mountain out of a molehill – yes Hyatt will only have 6 branded resorts, BUT they will have an investment in the whole 13 through their acquired interest in Playa, which was exactly what I said in the first place when I was comparing the value of the Hyatt investment $325m with the HP investment. It’s like trying to reason with a petulant three year old – actually I take that back, my granddaughter is far more capable of reasoning.
It seems that when some questions are asked about the “400 MILLION POUNDS Ames has spunked, Fdnrm cops a deaf ear or his maths goes a miss.
How far is £8.5 million ( if they ever get it, which I doubt) going to stretch.
Fdnrm would you like to comment or would you rather talk about the Hyatt?
@TS (aka 36 etc) – so no mention of Jeremy Newman then or any reference to “assistance” (your word) that he gave to O’Halloran?
@BB you are very paranoid and petty indeed. I am TS and no other.
I suspect that the Newman influence will be revealed in the court document expected next week. Patience is a virtue.
@BB the troll is diverting attention to squabbling about details of the Hyatt Caribbean investment . Ignore the troll ,as many have pointed out , there is no point discussing anything with the know it all troll.
Has anyone speculated on who would play whom in movie—
“Ponzi – the Harlequin Affair”. My money is on Gilbert Gottfried,
the Aflac Duck, to be cast as FDRMN
@BBaywatch, as the self styled know all of the Carabbean I would expect you to get your facts right. Using the “it’s like to reason with a 3 year old” is a typical tactic of someone who is wrong, knows they are wrong but is too pig headed to admit it. You made the comparison with Hyatt and HP/BB and your comparison was bending the truth. That could not be any clearer, could it. And listen to TS why don’t you. We are not the same. More bent facts.
@Laddiie Pisshead3 (who’s Mum needs to buy him a new watch) you really are thick. Months ago I said I was changing my ID from 36 to FDNRM so no secret there but TS? Sportman? You are as stupid as BBaywatch.
@ Yankiteasy New trip adviser comment aboutBB. “Amazing stay” Was this either a paid employee/member of the Ames family/someone from Basildon/ me or a passing Dolphin who wrote it? Surely not a satisfied customer, they don’t exist in Yankiteasy land.
Quack – quack – quack !
@Anon 5.13 BBaywatch could be played by Milke Bernie.
There is a certain irony, the Wigan Bunker were in contact with O Hallaran, digging dirt on Ames – now he is a fraudster!!
Ames has won a judgement, and possible won’t get paid, just like he does, ignores it.
If he does get paid the IP’s may snaffle it
Fdnrm you are fooling no one but yourself!
you fail to answer the questions regarding the small amount of ”£400 MILLION” because you are on Ames payroll.
You are such a loser to even think anyone is dumb enough to listen to you.
Dave Ames could not have done what he has done without the full cooperation of corrupt Barbados politicians and govt officials.
We’ll never prove it, because the thieves won’t tell on each other but it had to have been.
Yatinkiteasy.
Yes I am so much looking forwards to the build starting again.my Caribbean dream is not so far away after all.
Thank you for your support.
ps,I have finished the champagne and am naw enjoying a Baileys Irish cream.if you were over here I would invite you to join in my celebrations.
@FDNRM, please can you ask your mate Ames if I can have the refund I am legally entitled to now that he has a few quid? Seems like a double standard to me that he is happy to take money of thousands of people without giving anything in return, but doesn’t like it when it happens to him.
Sid,if you paid in cash and its not built,then,of course,you should receive a refund.Did you pay cash ?
@Where has the etc etc, You seem to think I should give you answers to questions, you seem to think that your opinion of me bothers me. Get over yourself, I’m not bothered what you think. Have you asked GF? Now go away.
@Sid, ask him yourself. Thats what I did.
Ironic isn’t it that when there is some good news for ALL investors, the usual anti HP come trotting out the woodwork. Expect the rhetoric to be increased for the next trial later this year. Yawn.
Hi Wow. Yes I paid cash. Made no difference so far though :o(
Its all right everyone, the resorts will all get built now that Harlequin has won Euros 1.57 million in the court case. See:
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/developer-must-pay-157m-over-unfinished-caribbean-resort-29449029.html
I wonder how much Harlequin paid out in legal fees?
@FDNRM, you keep referring to people who have been let down by HP and are not having their contracts honoured by them as being ‘anti HP’. Please be assured that there’s no spite there, not on my part at least. I invested, got let down (badly) but can’t get the refund I’m entitled to. If I had been paid back when I should have been (5 years ago) I’d have gone quietly and thought none the worse of them. But the fact is they HAVE lied and avoided doing the right thing at every opportunity. You can’t deny that.
I wonder what Mrs E B roughton thinks about this, given she was supporting and in regular contact with a fraudster!!!
Who will pay for all those holidays now? 🙂
It was said Ames would win, also said that the Shipley’s creditors meeting would amount to nothing….. publicly at least.
The WTF cover up…… The blog closing down…… the lack of press
Don’t underestimate the power of these secretive individuals.
Sid.if I were you,I would get down to Basildon as soon as possible and demand your money back.by the way,were did you invest?
I am against inexperienced blundering developers/scam artists coming to the Caribbean and creating scandal. According to the Irish Independent, some US$1.7m was awarded, which will build about 17 rooms of the 6000, if it were used for that which of course it will not be as there are too many creditors to deal with. It may keep BB open until the winter though, which indeed is good news. What is staggering is confirmation there was no written agreement for the contract with ICE. I have simply never heard of this for a development of any size never mind for the size Harlequin was dreaming up. I guess for Ames it is easy to be frivolous with other people’s money when he had already taken his cut and did not have planning permission to build anyway. I remember when ICE got awarded the contract, many in the Caribbean could not believe anyone was willing to work with Harlequin and risk their name being tarnished with what would ultimately be revealed to be a scam – but it would seem ICE had their own plans for the purchaser money all along. Birds of a feather. And no contract? Clear cut crookedness.
@Sid, I don’t regard people who have been let down and not having their contracts honoured as anti HP. I understand fully what they are going through. You have seen the very nasty comments made to me because I have been honest and truthful about my circumstances which in some some idiots want to ridicule. The anti HP people who come on here have a self centred agenda, won’t listen to another point of view, and post specious information which is inaccurate and irrelevant. I will challenge that despite the silly pointless personal comments. So in summary, Ames is not my “mate” and never has been. I have spoken to him directly 3 times in the last 4 years. I wish you luck getting your deposited back, you probably deserve it back, but I don’t regard you as being anti HP just because you want a refund. I hope that helps you understand my thoughts.
We now have two different articles giving completely contrasting figures on the amount of damages. Does anyone know the truth?
Not really important….nothing will ever be collected.
Understood FDNRM, and thanks.
The damages are not that different US$1.7 million = Euro 1.28 million. The article link I posted said Euro 1.57 million.
Certainly not a big enough difference to pay much in the way of legal fees or build many Caribbean resorts.
@SGD the claim was for $13m, the part misappropriated to Ireland was $1.7m. So how much are the actual damages?
What happened to the Boeing 707 and the Breitling?
@FDNRM
I report the information I know about. Perhaps you should ask Mr Ames.
@SGD, my comment was ment as a criticism just trying to understand the reality.
@anon73
So you are saying no locals in SVG will work for HP, what a silly post
The original contract was for $50m of which $13m was misappropriated and damages for the misappropriation have been set at 1.57m Euros (I can’t see any confusion over those figures and it isn’t hard to find that out).
Presumably O’Halloran will have to repay the $13m misappropriated in addition to the sum set as damages. However this is some way off the figure of £30m GBP which was originally touted by Harlequin supporters as being the sum at stake in the case.
Harlequin will of course now have to recover the damages awarded and the amount misappropriated which may be easier said than done. The damages presumably will have to be paid by Mr O’Halloran personally, but are the company(ies) that misappropriated the sums still trading and will it be possible to recover that money from them? Further cases pending and active, so a long way to go to resolve this and probably a long time before (or if) any money is handed to Harlequin.
From the Irish Independent “Mr Justice McGovern said it was “extraordinary” there was no written contract for such a large development and that turned out to be a “very poor” decision by Mr Ames.” Even more so when this was the second time that Harlequin alleged that they had to dismiss a contractor over misappropriation of funds. That certainly looks more like incompetence than ‘naivety’!
Its good from the point of view, it’s a little victory for HP, lets face it they need one!
It’s a good ‘PR’ move and coupled with the much awaited ‘rescue plan’ it at least gives a glimmer of hope.
The recent TaylorMade comments about ‘upholding’ several mis selling claims is much more relevant than being awarded £1 million or so, that may or may not be paid.
Better Sue the IFA’s time is running out 😉
@ Lord HH glimmer of hope….you would need a powerful telescope to see much glimmer or hope fo this mess. this is gonna drsag on for years with claim and counter claim
time is a fraudsters best asset
For the sake of clarity; Harlequin CLAIMED 13m USD was misappropriated in total but not all of it was the subject of this case.
The judge found that 1.57m EUR was the amount misappropriated covered by this case and that is the TOTAL amount that O’Halloran has been ordered to pay back, although the judge did concede that there was probably more misappropriated but as it was not part of this case he has made no order with respect anything other than the 1.57m.
FTAdvisor got quotes from Ames so maybe that is where they got their numbers from.
Oh… the judge also commented on the lack of any contract. A very heavy hint of total incompetence some would say. That should have potential financial backers queuing up to hand over their money not.
You are all assuming one fatal mistake.
That HP will carry on as it is currently structured and Mr Ames at the helm 😉
@BBaywatch, you really cannot help yourself, you have to put your snide little comment in. Let me help you understand where the confusion could have arisen. The FTADVISOR, a publication used by others on here, quoted different figures to the Irish Times. Is asking for clarification a problem with you? Even your understanding is different to Car Crash Watcher. Perhaps getting a clarification is something you should do more often. So let me explain the £30m figure to you. Success in this case will make the court case against Newman/Wilkins Kennedy easier to prove as the two are linked. Now I hope I haven’t written that too quickly so you can understand it ok?
@car crash watcher – thank you for the clarification. No ‘damages’ or penalty payment then, simply a repayment.
Maybe, BBaywatch works for the ‘Wigan splinter cell’ 😉
Its a joke!!!!!
@BBaywatch, you really are a muppet. I ask for clarification and “you cannot see any confusion the the figures are not difficult to find out” and in the next breath you are thanking Car Crash Watcher for the clarification. Best laugh I have had all day!
So after all that, there’s only about one and a half million euros one day coming back — that’ll get the resorts built then!
Not quite sure why this has much/any bearing on the other case mentioned. Firstly, isn’t that concerned with defamation not misappropriation and secondly isn’t it the case that prior legal issues are essentially inadmissible in a new/different trial (or is that only in jury trials?) The trial has at least committed to writing that practices from Harlequin were not what they might have been in preventing this sort of thing from occurring.
FDNRM to answer your question the other day; presumably the reason WK and Newman parted company, is because Harlequin were ultimately a WK client — and that being the case, they couldn’t be seen to be tolerant of an employee (was he a partner?) setting up a website about them. I’m speculating of course — but then a lot of speculating goes on here. To assume that it represents a tacit acknowledgement of some sort of potentially criminal guilt is very, very specious.
@Dug, Well WK are part of the next court case alongside Newman so the feeling is they are complicit. Also Newman was, I believe, O’Hallorans only defense witness so the two case are strongly linked.
Searchlight VC:
http://searchlight.vc/harlequin-wins-multimillion-fraud-case-against-former-contractor-p45572-82.htm
Harlequin wins multi-million fraud case against former contractor
Staff Reporter • Fri, Jul 26, 2013
Harlequin Hotels and Resorts said in a release yesterday that it has won its fraudulent misappropriation case in Dublin, Ireland against Padraig “Paudie” O’Halloran, the former ICE Group contractor for Harlequin’s Buccament Bay Resort development in St Vincent and the Grenadines. The Judgment was delivered Thursday morning by the High Court.
“During the 31-day trial, Harlequin provided evidence and witness testimonies detailing how O’Halloran fraudulently misappropriated in excess of US$13m from US$50m that was sent to ICE Group for the resort’s construction. Of the $13m that was diverted, more than $2m was sent to Ireland to pay for items including a lavish wedding. The Court also heard that sums were used to fund luxury purchases, such as a US$1.5m private jet, a racecourse in St Lucia, a car franchise business and renovations to a rented property on the Sandy Lane estate,” the release said.
According to the release, meanwhile, very little of the promised construction work was actually carried out. The Court heard that the development resembled a movie set with accommodations built to create the illusion of progress, but without essential infrastructure like sewage, water and power being connected. Consequently, the resort opened later than originally planned and on a smaller scale. Other developments were also delayed as Harlequin was forced to create its own construction company to resume work when ICE Group was thrown off the site in June 2010.
“Working with O’Halloran at the time of the fraudulent misappropriation was Jeremy Newman, a senior manager of Harlequin’s previous accountants and auditors, Wilkins Kennedy. After the fraudulent misappropriation was uncovered and both Mr O’Halloran and Mr Newman fled the Caribbean, an anonymous smear campaign began through a website hosted in Singapore, which spread seriously defamatory statements about Harlequin. Harlequin alleges that, through the website, Mr Newman sent damaging allegations to various media and official organisations, such as the UK Serious Fraud Office. Harlequin faced scrutiny and undue criticism as a result.
“After several months, a forensic IT investigation traced the website’s IP address to Mr Newman’s home in Maidenhead, Berkshire, and he subsequently confessed to administering the website. Harlequin alleges that Mr O’Halloran was also involved with the defamatory website. Mr Newman now runs a development company called Kelltek Group with which Mr O’Halloran is also involved,” the release said.
Speaking after yesterday’s court victory, a Harlequin spokesman said: “We are delighted with the Court’s decision and grateful that this unfortunate episode is behind the company. This case has taken up so much of our time over the last three years and we are now able to focus on moving the business forward. We would like to extend our gratitude to our legal teams in the UK and Ireland who have supported us throughout to ensure that justice was achieved. There is still much to do as we believe that much of the money that Mr O’Halloran misappropriated is still to be traced. The pursuit for justice and clearing Harlequin’s name will continue with the defamation case against Mr Newman, Martin MacDonald – a partner at Wilkins Kennedy – and Wilkins Kennedy later this year.”
All very interesting Dave, but what about the £400 million? 😉
Sorry, that’s nothing to do with you is it?
So long as that’s what the “feeling is” FDNRM there’s clearly no problem. WK are merely a leading and highly reputable chartered accountancy firm but as long as there’s a “feeling” that they might in some way be linked to a rogue builder, who was acting under ridiculously lax controls, that’s obviously proof enough.
Can’t shake the feeling that this whole thing is a symptom and not the cause. It also seems to have become something of a smokescreen.
@LT, I don’t think it is silly to make that comment (although i respect your right to think so), but interesting to note that questions were being asked that far back, and the impression many had about Harlequin in the Caribbean at the time. Contractors I spoke to at the time did not want to risk going down to SVG and get involved with a company over whom there were so many questions, rightly or wrongly (making sales when land not yet owned, no planning etc), and there was plenty of other work around the region at the time that the risk was not worth taking. Look at who ended up taking them on! A company who did not think it worth having a written agreement and went on to defraud them. Of course locals working on the job site, or in the hotel, are totally different from a contractor who has to deal daily with the development company and its most senior principles. Those working in the hotel for example can put in a day’s work to be proud of (and I have always said BB is a product that many people are happy with, I have met many satisfied customers and those workers have learned skills they can transfer elsewhere if needs be), take their wage and go home. They are not involved with the movement of millions of dollars, don’t see where money comes from, how things are administrated at the highest level of the business, so very different to a head contractor. Lower management and line staff for Stanford and Madoff had no questions asked and did not suffer reputation damage. Senior management who had to have known something was amiss did. IF Ames is proven ever to have perpetrated a scam, those senior people will be in the line of fire. Not saying for sure Ames is in the boat of Madoff and STanford, but it does look like it to many here. It could well be argued Harlequin have done a good thing by bringing work and tourists to SVG, as Stanford did in Antigua to a larger extent. How they achieved it is what has been questioned for a long time which was my point, and hopefully Harlequin can show they have run their business in a legitimate way and have not used other people’s money in breach of their agreements with them, thereby causing massive loss to those people.
@Dug, “feeling” is my word. I am not associated with the evidence so I think it’s rather churlish to pick up on a word. Newman was an employee of WK. the reputation of a company is based on the credibility of its employees, so their reputation is tarnished, would you not agree?
Well, FDNRM I think that if we are to assume that a reputation of a company is predicated on the credibility of its employees we have a fairly big problem much closer to home, do we not?
On broader point, I think that if you’re looking to impugn the general standing of WK because of this whole farce, you are merely demonstrating how far from a reality your perception of things is starting to drift.
@Dug, are you a WK employee. Coming to their defence with some vigorous arnt we? Don’t foreget no member of HP or the Ames family have been found guilty of anything have they? It’s not me who is taking WK to court, it’s not me who will be in court. I think we all know now where your loyalties lie now.
Nope, I’ve got nothing to do with them — I just find the selective apportioning of guilt slightly bewildering. There’s a “feeling” that some people and companies are guilty — so they are assumed to be guilty, but there are no convictions for Harlequin so they should apparently be considered completely innocent: Bit hypocritical I think. WK are a top 25 accountancy firm run by trained, skilled, experienced professionals, Harlequin are…well, we all know the answer to that one (let’s just say that they’re hardly comparable by any rational criteria).
My loyalties lie with reason, FDNRM, and with the justice. Both of which will hopefully prevail eventually. My main concern, as I have previously said, is to try and ensure that any future inexperienced investors know exactly what they are getting involved with before getting involved in this — rather than just being fed the selective version that the likes of you peddle. Fortunately, with the total proliferation of coverage there’s little danger of any confusion in that respect now.
By attempting to suggest that there is somehow more integrity about Harlequin than WK you are effortlessly demonstrating what a nebulous grasp you have of what’s going on here and how little you truly understand things.
@Dug… Don’t feed the trolls now… you know anything slightly criticising Harlequin upsets the poor souls.
@Conned – fair point! I shall desist now. It’s like to trying to argue with conspiracy theorists or something – they’ve always got an answer (regardless of how patently ridiculous that answer is). Seems their main tactic is based on persistence – it’s definitely not based on logic.
@Doug, Thank you for trying to educate me and telling me how little I truly understand things. Of course if Wilkins Kennedy were so sure of their position and their employee/Partner was so innocent why did they fire Newman. But of course I realize that with my nebulous grasp that would be a silly question to ask. Silly me.
@Conned (the *unt) popped up again have we? Even using the “don’t feed the trolls” line. Thought you would have been intelligent enough to have thought up your own little saying. Ups just answered my own question there.
@Doug/Conned (the *unt) ah bless. All little buddies and bessie mates are we? Yes Doug desist please. Funny how the same lines were put forward about the O’Halloran case and “conspiracy theories” Now how did that go again. HE LOST.
Going against my own advice, but what the hell…
@Fdnrm & TS… so Harlequin win back 1.57M Euros (£1.35M). Great news!
That should build another resort, keep BB open for another month or even pay a couple of creditors, say TailorMade and another couple of Ames’s chums.
OR does this money go back to the overseas development company in St Vincent as one presumes that’s where it came from? Ames tells everybody that’s where he sent their monies to?
The big question that any pro Ames or Harlequin troll has failed to answer and will continue to fail to answer is…..
What has happened to the other £400Million?
And on a final note for Fdnrm…
“Tw#t… Offensive language…?
From Wikipedia…
Modern usage
A) Although sometimes used as a reference to the female genitalia, the word twat is more often used in various other ways:
B) As a derogatory insult, a pejorative meaning a fool, a stronger alternative to the word twit – ‘He can be a complete twat’ (often used in the UK)
C) To hit something (or someone) hard or violently – ‘Let’s get out there and twat it!’
Read into it what you will”…. and you did.
I was referring to B but as usual you chose the first one instead of exploring the other options.
If I wanted to call you a C#nt, I would have, but as you chose to think of yourself and refer to yourself as a C#nt then who am I to disagree….
@Conned (the *unt) Just could not resist could you. Now go along and PM your bessie mate Doug. You two can talk sweet nothings to each other all day. Last word to me.
Meanwhile back in the land of the grown ups http://www.ftadviser.com/2013/07/26/pensions/sipps/sipp-firm-values-harlequin-investments-at-after-fca-audit-O3Q6jW81CjZWsFWC6GclGM/article.html
@Dug, doesn’t that reinforce the possibility of miss investment by the SIPP advisers which would leave them open to a compensation claim? Is that a grown up enough question for you?
@Dug… Yeah thanks, got my letter yesterday. Thanks to Ames my pension value has gone from £80,000 to £2… Result… NOT!!!
@Fdnrm… Still wouldn’t or couldn’t answer the question then… No more food for you… Waste of space… Tw#t!
@Conned, are you joking about your pension pot?
@ Conned, just so there is no misunderstanding regarding your use of the word T*AT You first put it at the end of a post, aimed at me, at 12.40 on July 22nd. When I objected to the connotation you then posted up your extract from Wikipedia at 1.12 .on July 22nd. So it was nothing to do with my reading into what I will. You have been found out for bending the truth, just like BBaywatch and Yakiniteasy. Now if you want to join the land of the grown ups, then tell the truth!
@Conned (the *UNT) LOL Nothing like having some “control” over your investments. Did you sign the approval for your SIPP to be invested in HP? Did you carry out a DD about HP? Did you do anything to research your investment? Seems to me the only reading you do is on Wikipedia. As to where the £400m is, I suggest you ask your financial adviser. You do have one?
@Conned, if that is the case I am very, very sorry to hear it.
Hopefully you will be able to receive compensation through the various channels mentioned — sobering to see in black and white, that in the analysis of this company at least, the investment is in essence worthless.
I dont consider Conned bends the truth…..the Main Troll with the last word is obviously a T#AT
£120k to £1
Just glad my TM complaint has been upheld, It give me some hope
@Dug, Sid and yatinkiteasy…Thanks guy’s and yes Lifetime wrote to me and the wife yesterday and confirmed that Harlequin purchases bought through SIPP’s are now worth £1 each, so our total combined pension pots of £160,000 are now worth £4… and fdnrm thinks this is funny… and he still continues to shoot the shite about Ames, Harlequin and the whole sorry mess… He needs his balls cut off… then he’d be nearer what he thinks he is…. A C#nt!
Misses the point.
HP is still unable to pay its debts as they fall due.
@conned
I trust you have your SIPP Claim in??? If not why not!!!
Too many people on here are making the mistake of acknowledging FDNRM, and thusly allowing it to direct the conversation away from the important points the adults want to discuss.
It’s like one of those annoying little dogs that grow from fat old ladies armpits, and yap at your ankles or try and sniff your crotch. The only way to deal with these annoyances is to not acknowledge it’s presence. Don’t look at it, don’t speak to it, don’t comment or react to it, just ignore it completely.
Initially it will become very agitated as the attention it craves is denied, but eventually it will either disappear, or enter what Cesar Millan describes as a “Calm, submissive state.” This is the state we want. It needs to know it is not the centre of our world and that when the adults are taking it is to behave. When in this state you may give it a gentle pat on the head, or a rub on the belly, but if it starts to yap or go for a crotch sniff, turn your body away and ignore it again.
Remember Cesar’s catch phrase, “I rehabilitate dogs, and I train people.” We are part of the problem here, with a little effort on our part we can rehabilitate it.
Bloody Hell!
Don’t want FDNRM sniffing my crotch !
I give up 😉
Just got this update……….
All,
Investor Meetings – w/c 9th September 2013
Discussions with Harlequin are on going and we are going to be holding investor meetings with them in the week commencing the 9th September 2013. Harlequin will be issuing the venues and joining details to investors.
Any restructure plan will require the informed consent of investors. It is therefore very important that investors make every attempt to attend such meetings.
In the intervening period, we can assure you that all efforts are being made to seek a fair resolution to the current issues facing Harlequin by Regulatory Legal / HIG.
More to follow ..
@Conned, Firstly lets cut through the rhetoric. I never have and never will find it funny about anyone losing money, particaly from their pension. I lost £30k some years ago in the Dot com boom, I have seen endownment policies bomb but I learnt never to gamble with pensions. I am sorry you might appear to have lost so much and hope the compensation scheme works for you. However contrary to popular belief, as I explained to Sid the other day, I am not mates with DA. I have only spoken to him directly 3 times in the last 4 years. I am sure he will be the first to admit he has made mistakes with his development, But who originally called in the SFO? It was Newman to protect his partner O’Halloran. Look at all the anti HP rhetoric, who tipped off Panorama? who alerted the MoS? This is the main reason your pension has been downgraded. The constant biased Trip adviser postings etc. I know there will be a series of responses to this posting, but at the end of day its YOUR investment which has been run down by 3rd parties, many who are not investors and now you can see the effects of it. I hope it works out for you.
Erika will have been involved with her mate O’ Hallaran of that there is no doubt.
I wonder who’s representing Harlequin in the pursuit of Jeremy Newman and Wilkins Kennedy and Martin MacDonald (who never gets mentioned in FDNRM’s smear campaign) ? It can’t be Carter Ruck surely, seeing as they are owed a packet by Harlequin according to the creditors’ list in the administration documents.
@EL3 you are up then, did you set the alarm wrong. What “smear” campaign? What are you on about? Are you naive enough to believe that Carter Ruck would be owed money? There is more than one HP company company who can pay bills.
@I saw it on TV, “The only way to deal with these annoyances is to not acknowledge it’s presence. Don’t look at it, don’t speak to it, don’t comment or react to it, just ignore it completely.” And you have done what? Acknowledged my presence which is contrary to your own advise. Very smart. not.
@FDNRM: “Are you naive enough to believe that Carter Ruck would be owed money? There is more than one HP company who can pay bills.”
Of course Carter Ruck is owed money: they are recorded as a HMSSE creditor to the tune of £25,050.06 in Shipley’s administration report. Are you saying that Carter Ruck falsified their proof of debt submission? Or that funds from the overseas companies, which Harlequin have always maintained have been used solely for the purposes of overseas developments have been illicitly used to settle legal costs incurred by the UK sales and marketing company?
Fdnrm, your rantings are getting more insane by the day!
Do you really beleive that anyone is interested in the sh1t that spews out of gob?
Has it not occurred to you that most people on here are just are just goading you for something to do in their spare time.
No one believes a word you say, so go f@ck yourself.
@Where has the etc etc. Ah bless. Its reassuring to know that someone with your obvious intellect can spare the time to share such kind thoughts.
Dave Ames has probably paid Carter ruck out out of his own pocket,who knows?
I think 400 million is a fantasy figure.
Some of that is mine and I won’t a return on my investment.
Hot news:
“A developer has been found guilty of misrepresentation, deceit and misappropriation of large sums from money paid to his company for luxury developments which were left unfinished in the Caribbean.
The developer diverted money paid to his companies into his personal bank accounts, for spending on luxury purchases and in payments to family.
In part of a multi-jurisdictional fraud claim the judge noted that there was persuasive evidence that the developer was diverting other substantial sums paid for other matters unconnected with the developments including renting a mansion on a Caribbean island.”
Name the developer.
Goodness, I really hope that there’s no one on here suggesting that the published debts of a company in administration would be independently, and selectively, served by a director of that company — or by another company (related or otherwise). As any fool knows, such a practise would represent an egregious breach of company law, and could if proved, lead to some serious consequences. Whilst I’m sure that’s not what’s happening, merely suggesting it would do little but demonstrate a total ignorance of basic issues of company law in the individual making the suggestion – and potentially an ignorance of issues of business and finance in general.
Next some idiot will suggest that a multi-million pound company, that was doing just fine, could be entirely undone by an individual asking for a refund – or that the SFO would launch a lengthy and protracted investigation, purely because of a tip off from a disgruntled individual with a grudge to bear. Madness!
Amazing accomplishment …… Over 250 posts on this thread alone by The Troll with the last word! Must be tough writing all that stuff on an i pad while on the crapper.
@Yatinkiteasy, my stalker again. What a sad life you lead adding up all the posts by an individual. Whats up nothing on Trip adviser to moan about. Get a life sado. And you wanted the thread unblocked from pointless postings. And this is? A POINTLESS POST DOH
Posting on a thread at 05:57 in the morning. perhaps he’ s been here all night waiting [hoping] for a stalker to attack him. tWat a saddo.
@Fanny Robin (a *unt) another pointless post. Dont you get the irony of posting a pointless post about a pointless post.
@Fanny Robin, I guess also you are too thick to realize that posting times are an hour behind real time. You just made my day, idiot.
semantics dear boy… semantics
O’Halloran has said that (not unexpectedly) he will appeal the recent decision against him. He is not reported as giving grounds for the appeal.
M’Learned Friends will be rubbing their hands at the prospects of further refreshers in a case that look set to run and run. Perhaps if there had been a written agreement (one might call it a contract) this ‘legal aid’ might have been curtailed at the single hearing?
@Little Bustard, I fully agree with you, if a poster cannot get his facts right then what is the point in posting. Well said.
@ FDNRM if a poster cannot get his facts right then what is the point in posting? Too right. Here’s one of your earlier gems posted on July 26, 2013 at 5:30 pm
“@EL3 you are up then, did you set the alarm wrong. What “smear” campaign? What are you on about? Are you naive enough to believe that Carter Ruck would be owed money? …”
Harlequin owes Carter Ruck £25,050. 66.
Latest TA review on BB 26/7/2013 from Nattie3……..”Definitely not 5 star service”
Convicted fraudster Padraig O’Halloran and his accomplice Jeremy Newman are directors of construction company Kelltek Group which is seeking work in the Middle East and possibly the Caribbean.
Beware this company!
@ WARNING! KELLTEK GROUP OWNED BY FRAUDSTERS aka FNDRM/TS
The case against O’Halloran was a civil action and Jeremy Newman was not a defendant. Implying that the case was a criminal trial resulting in a conviction for fraud of either O’Halloran or Newman would most probably be considered libellous.
@yatinkiteasy, have you noticed that review has been edited? The bit about the internal issues being due to the power being cut off has been removed, the fact the resort was mostly empty when their friends were there is gone, as well as the last paragraph saying that BB has financial issues and will likely be closed next time they return is also conspicuous by its absense.
How long before the entire rewiew is taken down, and replaced by a glowing 5 star review extolling the virtues of beautiful Buccament Bay and its cold towels?
TA is such a crock.
Yes Grommit, I have a copy of the original review dated July 18th…It has been edited by TA and reposted.
Laddie Pisshead3 (whose mum needs to buy him a new watch) just so you don’t get confused, I am not Sheargar or Lord Lucon. Never mind TS or any body elst. I know it’s difficult for you to understand but give it a go . Saves you looking even more stupid than you already do.
Just catching up after a holiday. What a lot of water under the bridge.
It pretty well turns out as I said months ago – the implications of HP winning the Irish case are potentially more catastrophic than losing.
The victory is Pyrrhic.
I said that winning this case would reveal that HP had not acted with appropriate care over purchaser funds. Guess what? The judge in summing up says that it is extraordinary that there was no written contract between the developer and the contractor. Extraordinary barely captures the situation. Can you imagine setting out on a development as large as this without having a written contract?! How on earth was the progress being monitored, stage payments being signed off, specifications being adhered to??
This judgement surely lays HP open to any purchaser taking action against them for negligence or professional incompetence.
How can anyone hope for a rescue plan when the company has been shown to have run its affairs in such a way? Can anyone imagine a reputable source of institutional investment giving this a second glance?
I would love to see this pitched in Dragons’ Den. I can hear Duncan Banatyne now. “This is univestable, and I’ll tell you where I am. I’m out!”
@Beggars Belief. Your summary is not strictly correct. Stage payments made by me were qualified by the building work signed off by a QS. A Caribbean company who are, I understand, are well respected.
@FDNRM
But the point is that the “signing off” by a QS means nothing without the teeth of a robust contract behind it.
The specifications, the Programme, the stage payments…should all have their own Scedule attached to the main contract governing the relationship between the developer and the contractor.
This judgement strongly suggests that none of these basic protections were in place.
To enter into a development of this size without a written contract using your own money would be foolishness. To do so with other people’s money, without bothering to escrow it is far more serious and is more than naive. It really shows that you have no worthwhile knowledge of being a developer and should not be handling other people’s money.
Surely this is the absolute full stop on securing third party funding.
@BB I’m not disagreeing with you, just trying to expand on your summary with a little bit of additional information.
Well said bb. Harlequin are a joke, and not a funny one.
I am looking forward to seeing the information which comes out at the Jeremy Newman hearing.
Mr Ames has chosen to go to court in a case which will mean that Newman has every incentive to bring all of the dirt and allegations out into the open (again). Whether or not he is able to prove the “Ponzi scheme” allegation will be key to whether Newman wins the case but Harlequin is going to get such bad press from all of the Harlecon revelations being aired to a much wider audience than ever read the Harlecon website that it can surely do them no good whatsoever.
Anyone know when the case starts?
Newman knows too much it will never happen….. time is running out Shipley’s won’t forever……. Irish case a sideshow.
Needs finance….. needs money
That’ s a drop
http://www.compliancy-services.co.uk/news/article/3105/sipp-company-writes-to-clients-following-fca-advice
I am sure Fat Shit won’t represent me will have something to say about this
http://www.ftadviser.com/2013/07/26/pensions/sipps/fca-forces-sipp-firm-to-value-harlequin-investments-at-O3Q6jW81CjZWsFWC6GclGM/article.html
@my Cabanna worth £1 I don’t know if the above post was directed at me, but if it was try and keep up, this was discussed earlier up the thread. If you cannot read then perhaps you should not have invested in anything.
FDNRM – As Pope Francis tweets “magno cachinno”
Latin for LOL
@FDNRM
I have invested via a SIPP, so I have a chance; yours was cash I believe, so your just….. well stuffed – unless it works or you have a ‘promiss; from Ames.
I can therefor understand why you defend HP for him paying you your own money back as an ‘investment’…… by the way did you ever get title?
I have no axe to grind with you, but even you must know your are skating on thin ice.
£120,000 to £1 that’s what this could have cost me.
Does anyone have an update from Crozier, dropped off the face of the earth? very odd
in case you haven’t seen this –
It emerged last week that contracts were between investors and the overseas companies, so investors may not have valid claims against Harlequin Property.
Speaking at a creditors’ meeting in London today, joint administrator Anthony Davidson set out Shipleys’ approach to the treatment of investor claims.
He said: “We have obtained advice from counsel and on the face of it, there is not a contractual agreement between investors and Harlequin. That said, we are aware there be some aspects of claims we have to look at closer. We have seen one claim with regards to misrepresentation, and while I am not saying that claim is valid, claims of this nature are worthy of investigation.”
Davidson explained the issue with claims involving misrepresentation is which party the claim is against, which could be Harlequin Property, the wider Harlequin Group, or the advisers that recommended investing in Harlequin.
Sorting out creditor claims is further complicated by the fact that among the £89.1m in claims, around £78m is due to other Harlequin companies and related parties.
Options for Harlequin Property include a company voluntary arrangement, which would see creditors repaid over a fixed period, and liquidation, which could involve winding up orders against the overseas companies.
Davidson said: “We do not want to take aggressive steps now, if it does more harm than good. The onus is on Harlequin Property to prove a CVA can be accomplished.
“We are very conscious of the importance in trying to establish who the creditors are, and whether investors are to be treated as creditors. It is not black and white. It may be that for every individual investor the situation is different. This is at the top of our list in terms of priorities.”
A spokesman for Harlequin has stressed that Harlequin Property is separate from the rest of the Harlequin group of companies, and that money received by Harlequin Property has been passed to the overseas companies, minus commission.
He says: “Harlequin is committed to developing its hotels and building investors’ properties to deliver contracted rental returns in future.”
Separately to the administration process, Harlequin and law firm Regulatory Legal are in talks over a restructuring plan to try and secure Harlequin investments. Talks are said to be in an advanced stage, though details of the restructure have not been released.
NB – the onus is on Harlequin to prove that a CVA can be accomplished. How long will that take? The complexity of the relationships between investors and whichever company their contract is actually with suggests that this is not going to happen in the immediate future. Yet more delays, which cannot be helping restructuring plans and certainly isn’t helping investors.
It’s taken what 6-7 years to get in this mess and now you want it all done ‘n’ dusted in 6 months! get real will you – stop being a pillock.
You seem to get excited when you find some more negative news on HP – we all know its in the shit!!!!!!!
The problem as always will be Ames giving information, he is buggered if he does and certainly buggered if he doesn’t.
Without investors or the credibility of a firm like RL – we all may as well kiss goodbye to our money.
Somehow, HP needs to be controlled and monitored without Ames at the helm.
It’s the only way it may and I repeat may work.
@BBaywatch, and this is new, how? If you cannot find anything new to post then just recycle something old. I’m with Roy Orbison on this, so long as its negative ill post it. In his words Pillock.
@my cabana is worth £1 reading through the FTAvisor article there are some encouraging signs at the end of it. As to being “stuffed” lets see what comes out of the next investers meeting. You might be surprised.
@ RO – shoot the messenger all you like – not my problem. However poor communications, lack of information and continual prevarication have been the hallmark of Harlequin’s customer relations – and quite clearly some investors do not enjoy the privileged relationship with harlequin that others do. Shipley’s fees will continue to mount up and with the general attitude of investors posting on here being ‘wait and see’ unless there is some kind of significant progress in the near future the collapse becomes inevitable. I don’t think that “Somehow, HP needs to be controlled and monitored without Ames at the helm.” constitutes much of a plan.
@BB
FDNRM is an investor and in a difficult position, you are not so why your obsession with HP? You just rub one out when you find some more negative news.
What’s your plan? – Sorry forgot liquidation very bright.
As I said Pillock
meh
@RO. BBaywatch is not in the slightest bit interested in anybody else but his “I told you so” predictions being true. At least the Shipleys repot was accurate, even BBaywatch cannot mess up a bit of cutting and pasting.
Maybe BBbaywatch should set a website up with the now defunked Wigan anti HP brigade!! In fairness to him/her there is a little more grey matter than the roley mollies 😉
I find it incredulous that BB gives FDNRM, grief to doing the exact same.
if these two were not on here, nobody would post! there is only about 3-4 people that post on a regular basis?
why dont they just disclose all the financial data? where the money went, where it was spent….its that simple…
by the way, as I said before, Eleven Capital is OUT…
We know they are out that was in the HP update!
Transparency is the new HP did you not get the memo?
I can’t believe BBaywatch missed this!!! 😉
http://www.ftadviser.com/2013/07/29/pensions/sipps/harlequin-writedown-makes-mockery-of-fca-capital-rules-qD3o027E5tlHA8Doyyzg3K/article.html
I was so excited I left off the link!!!!!!!!
Ames must be having a fit over this!
Well we really have nothing to worry about should be able to raise 50p per cabbana, problem sorted 😉
“A spokesperson for Harlequin questioned the valuations, suggesting that the writedown is based on the fact that its UK sales arm has entered administration and does not reflect the financial position of the overseas construction arms that are building the investment properties.”
Surely the Harlequin spokesperson must know that the block making plant at BB has been either sold or given away in leu of payment, making it rather hard for HP to construct anything, whether they had the money or not. That statement is at best misleading, at worst a bare faced lie.
Until the land situation is sorted and the interests of the thousands of investors who bought other properties are recognised, any valuation is purely arbitrary.
Although the filth merchants seem to have stopped posting since they forced Erica’s forum to close, I came across an interesting comment on another site just now about what is legal and what is not.
Under the terms of the Malicious Communications Act 1988 (UK of course), it is an offence to send messages to another person that are indecent, grossly offensive, threatening or false.
Some of the posts on here definitely fell foul of the Act.
@SGD you have got that right. By the way I think you will find that Erica’s forum was closed for reasons other than that you suggested.
Sick bags at the ready….. what a strange place in Ames’s head….
We are delighted that we are able to write to you all and say that we won our recent court case in Ireland against Padraig O’Halloran. As you know, we have always maintained that progress on projects was slowed considerably by the actions of this individual and since 2010 we have not only fought to recover the misappropriated monies, but also to make up for the time lost on construction.
As the court judgement will reveal when it is published – hopefully next week – Jeremy Newman (formerly) and Martin MacDonald (currently) of Wilkins Kennedy were also noted by the judge to have worked with Padraig O’Halloran at a time when he was defrauding Harlequin.
In 2010, we had a choice to make: either accept the fraud or fight for justice. As a direct result of deciding to fight, Harlequin came under increased attack as these individuals sought to bring down the company by creating a highly defamatory website, built on wildly misleading and false accusations.
The reason they did this was simple: it was their intention to destroy Harlequin and to bring about its collapse, thus ending the court cases pending against them and the risk of them being held accountable for their actions. Manipulating the media with sensationalised disinformation, they brought Harlequin under scrutiny both with the media and Government authorities.
Over the years since we began action, we have suffered a barrage of abuse and threats which have emanated from these individuals. We hope now, with 31 days of trial behind us and with the verdict that Padraig O’Halloran is guilty of fraud and deceit, the truth is clear to all.
The damage done by these men has been significant, but now we are more resolute than ever to pursue them and seek redress, bringing them all to justice. Recent months have been exhausting as we battled to establish the truth and to ensure we sought the best solution to restructure the business and move forwards with renewed strength. The open Resorts are trading well and I hope that the proposed restructure we are working towards will enable construction work to begin again soon and the business to emerge stronger than ever.
We have received anonymous, threatening letters asking, “Was it worth it?” Well, we can now reply, “Yes it was!”
Thankfully we have always seen and felt the overwhelming support and understanding of you all, so we wish to once again express our sincere gratitude.
Sincerely,
Dave and Carol Ames
@FDNRM.
Has your mate moved?
http://www.brentwoodweeklynews.co.uk/news/basildon/10574767.Harlequin_Property_wins_civil_fraud_case_against_former_resort_builder/
@SGD
Eric who?
The act as you pointed out refers to the UK.
BFP is not in the UK, so I would assume that your comment is not applicable to this blog; unless we want to spend many many hundreds of thousands of pounds investigating something that is deemed offensive?
Unless you are a solicitor and could ‘put me straight’ it’s very easy to copy and paste any law and pretend to know the intricacies of it.
Please cease and desist.
An idea to ponder on 🙂
It’s understand FDNRM thinks he will be ‘looked after’ by Ames,
I don’t blame him, if that’s the case I would do the same – look after number one.
What I don’t understand is the input from BBaywatch & Yankingeasy, why would they devote so much time and energy to BFP? When they are not even investors?
Could it be they have some dirty little deal with maybe some Irish builder? The same thing FDNRM has been accused of many times?
Comments from the Wigan Bunker? what do you think about the FRAUD of your ‘mate’
@anyone who has etc etc. I’m glad you think I will be “looked after” not sure where you got that from. However your comments re BBaywatch and Yankiteasy are spot on. BBaywatch will trawl through any documents he can find regardless of age and accuracy to find anything negative about HP. Yatinkeasy will spend a Friday night counting up how many times iv posted on this tread! That has got to be serious “get a life” syndrome.
This from the man who spends every waking hour on BFP defending Harlequin and Ames.
KTST.
But, if he is getting something back I understand why he is ‘prostituting’ himself. What would you do?
The kicker will be when he finds out its just been for a few rental payments, not a special refund or a special deal when he gets title (if)
What takes me 5 minutes takes FDNRM a Friday night! No wonder he has to use his I pad while having a dump.
@Yatinkiteasy, thought you were ignoring me. Knew you couldn’t LOL
Yawn (to the troll)
That looks like another reply. Still counting my posts?
That reply confirms you ARE a troll! LOL.
@Yatinkiteasy, doesn’t making pointless comments about someone being a troll make you a ……..TROLL
And so continues the blinded, paranoid, bullying, misogynist, threatening campaign of tacit intimidation — one has to wonder how much this speaks for the company in general (this poster certainly seems to be positioning themselves as having some sort of role or status). Were I involved with Harlequin in a senior position, I would be livid that this is the manner in which my supporters conduct myself — it speaks so poorly for the calibre of people it appears to be relying on. It’s hardly the way in which I’d expect to see a credible company defended.
FDNRM bless him, seems to have missed the point of the recent stories re TA; the point was that TA was shown on occasion to be fundamentally unreliable as a source of information — as evidenced by the fact that an individual was able to make up a restaurant, and then cause it soar up the ratings with a number of reviews that he’d completely made up (made up reviews falsely bolstering something’s rating on TA — that’s happened before).
This court case thing seems to have backfired a little — it’s very hard to see how it was actually worth it. The costs recovered have been relatively negligible, and if Harlequin’s principle contention was that the misconduct of the builder wasted lots of time (partially, the judgement seems to have concluded, through their own mismanagement) on their own admission, the case has only wasted more.
@Dug,on the conterary I don’t keep quoting Trip Advisor, it’s the self proclaimed Troll Yatinkiteasy who seems to think that bad reviews are genuine and good reviews are posted by posters such as Lord Lucon or a passing dolphin. It is obviously too subtle for you to understand that anti HP Irish builders or accountants might post downgraded reviews to suit their own agenda. You might get the hang of it one day. And while we have a Papal theme, Bless you to.
See the latest TA review……dive shop and all water sports activities closed for three days ……real 5 Star service that!
Those damn Irish con men keep posting nasty things about BB !
Christian1754……….from his TA review: On the second day the cracks started appearing. We had enquired about a snorkelling trip shown on the activities brochure, and were told that someone would find out some more information about it and get back to us. After 2 days this hadn’t materialised so we had to chase this up. We were then told the boat used to take people on the snorkelling trip was out of service and therefore the trip wouldn’t be available all week. I had booked myself in for some diving on arrival only to get a phone call 1 hour before my dive to say that it had been cancelled. The chap on the phone couldn’t tell me why or when it would be available again. Then we realised that the hut with all the beach and water activities was shut, this meant no sailing, no kayaking, no beach tennis / volleyball / cricket and no snorkel equipment rental. We went to speak to Francisca to find out what was going on, at which point we were ushered into the managers office. He explained that the company contracted to provide the complimentary activities above as well as the diving had “pulled out”. He promised to get on the case and by the evening we were told that everything had been sorted and I was booked to go diving the next morning.
On the third day I was met at the dive shop 5 minutes before my dive time by an apologetic Francisca saying diving was again cancelled until further notice. The beach hut was also still shut. On our way to see the manager again we ran into a family boarding a boat going on a snorkelling trip, the exact trip we had been told was unavailable 24h ago. Although no real explanation was offered for why we had been told we couldn’t go snorkelling when it was obviously possible, it was explained to us that the reason the diving and other activities had been cancelled was because the dive company had failed to pay its liability insurance, and we were assured that everything would be back to normal tomorrow.
They are really trying their best to keep BB going…..poor employees!
Conterary? The Chief Troll really needs spellcheck
The problem is though, FDNRM, that your contention is pure conjecture — whereas it is a matter of record that TA have had to remove a number of false reviews from contributors looking to disingenuously force up BB’s rating (and this — and the tactics used — even gained coverage in the national press some years ago).
It’s interesting that you’re invoking the divine — hoping for some divine intervention here?
@Yatinkiteasy. DE DA DE DA SPELLING POLICE ARE ABOUT. TAKE COVER EVERYONE.
Christian 1754, the part Yatinkiteasy conveniently missed.
This promise indeed came true. My divemasters (Richie, Keon and Dale) made the diving a truly enjoyable experience. They even organised for a lion fish we had caught to make its way back to me at the pool as a delicious sushi platter. The resort organised the snorkelling tour we had wanted to do free of charge and in return for the inconvenience caused they offered us 2 complimentary dives and 2 spa treatments, and at dinner a bottle of champagne miraculously appeared.
This brings me on to the food. The breakfast buffet was definitely 5* with a good selection and all manner of exotic fruit smoothies made to order. For dinner we alternated between Jacks (an upmarket steak house) and Safran (Indian cuisine). The food was reasonable but by the end of the week we had eaten our way through the limited menu in both. Murphy’s lunchtime BBQ at the pool was always worth a visit, even if only to chat with the happiest man in the Caribbean. The pool staff Lionel and Carlson were very attentive and made sure we had all the food, drink and towels we required.
The gym had 3 cross trainers lined up side by side complete with 3 “out of order” that have been there for at least 2 weeks. Meeting Rob the resort’s personal trainer was one of the positive aspects of our holiday. He was always approachable and happy to put together tailored exercise classes.
A couple of other little things caught my attention. The number of large and small towels in our bathroom after housekeeping had been seemed to come out of a random number generator. On one day we were left with 1 bath towel and no hand towels between the 2 of us. Our minibar ran on empty by day 3 and then got restocked largely with more of the stuff we hadn’t touched. This is something I wouldn’t expect from a 5 star luxury resort and was a bit disappointing.
FAO Yatinkiteasy, so you see if you are going to post something from Trip Adviser why not post the WHOLE article, good and bad parts, not just the little censored parts which suit your negative agenda. It would make you more credible, if thats possible. Oh and before you become the spelling police troll again, the article has been cut and pasted from Trip Adviser. Just to stop you looking infantile again. (because I’m good like that)
@Dug, just following your lead on the Papal connection, my son.
Its Trip Advisor , not Trip Adviser you ignoramus .
De Da De Da, Spelling police alert. The troll has taken the bait. Hook line and sinker. Actually its Tripadvisor, all one word! Best laugh I’ve had all day. If you are setting yourself as the all seeing spelling police, a little tip, make sure you get it right. Any comment on the censored post you put up earlier, or do you think my post was more accurate?
actually its tripadvisor (no Caps) you bore of a person.Get YOUR facts right troll.
“The diving incident was an inconvenience but was largely out of management’s control, and they were very apologetic.” Dan (or Matt) was apologetic, really? Did they also say why they hadn’t paid the bills?
Oh wait! That wasn’t the reason! it was “……because the dive company had failed to pay its liability insurance.” That’s far more believable. Yep, that’ll do nicely. That’s far more believable than “we haven’t got any money so can’t and don’t pay our suppliers or contractors so they’re all leaving”
It must be getting hard to run BB with out anyone giving them credit any more. (Ps. End of month, another power bill is due).
Big deal, diving shut what about the rest? Or they just like to focus on the negative? It needs an independent review, not some stuck up snorkeler!
@Yatikiteasy 4.46 “Its Trip Advisor , not Trip Adviser you ignoramus”
@Yatinkiteasy 11.18 “actually its tripadvisor (no Caps) you bore of a person.Get YOUR facts right troll.”
How to make yourself look a very very stupid person. And you call me a troll. So have you finally decided how it is spelt (or do you think it is spelled?) The irony is that you went to great pains to write down all the definitions of TROLL but see non of those attributes in yourself. Unbelievable.
Any comment on your censored TA (notice capital letters) posting earlier. Bet you try and sidestep that one! .
It’s all bollocks, where is the finance, where is the rescue plan, the rest is just the same old same old
@Roy Orbison, I agree with you. BBaywatch and Yatinkieasy, I.e the Chuckle brothers, or is it Dumber and Dumber just want to destroy and post selective negative comments, while the rest of us, the investors, are more interested in solutions and the way foreward.
Forward ?
DE DA DE DA YAWN.
Sadly, there are no solutions to problems if the causes of the problems are not correctly identified. Blaming everyone and everything for not building the resorts ( not even starting them in 90% of the cases) makes for nice reading , but is of little comfort to thousands of investors who have parted with their savings or committed their pensions to this company.
When money is received for off plan developments for which planning permission had not been received, or for development on lands not yet owned by the developer, it is hard to believe that these same investors still trust and believe that everything is going to work out just fine. The fact that financial statements have not been produced for the companies in the Caribbean should be a further cause for alarm.
Time is running out for “solutions”.
The only solution is if Ames buggers off and someone else runs it.
@Yatinkiteasy, have you seen the latest BB review on TA? “Mind blowing Caribbean hospitality experienced by Pakinstan cricket team” would you like me to post it full or will you do it?
Eeee by gum eccky thump, look at this in Yorkshire.
Bloody ‘ell could be in deep shit Mr Ames.
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-stories/leeds-businessman-jailed-for-siphoning-600k-from-firm-1-5902962
The latest from Reg Legal.
My take, if you sold HP and think you got away with it because you were not a ‘regulated IFA, your in the shit – they are coming after YOU! YOUR PERSONAL ASSETS.
I met Kit Sorell (Partner at Pannone) at a Reg Legal investor meeting in London – a true gentleman; but you would not want him coming after you!
All,
Non Regulated Sales – New Service
We have widened up our teams to include the ability to run professional negligence claims against agents who are not regulated. This will relate to direct investors more than any other category.
We have put in place a process to deal with these enquiries. Hitherto, we were not engaging these clients.
Our analysis process will include both a document review and an interview with investors. We are prepared to run the preparatory work (to assess viability) without any fees charged.
This approach allows us to run the facts of the case against our internal risk profile. If we feel the case is viable, we will then agree terms to act.
If you are an investor who received advice or marketing from someone other than an IFA, please contact Tobias Haynes – tobias.haynes@regulatorylegal.co.uk or call 01384 889900.
SIPP / IFA
For regulated matters, please contact Phil Haslam or Gemma Stackhouse.
Contractual Disputes
Please contact Martyn Anderson.
Conclusion
We feel it appropriate to widen our services to encompass all the investor types. Our view remains that the majority of “advice” relating to Harlequin is extremely poor.
This needs to be addressed properly. Our extended services allows this to happen.
Regulatory Legal Solicitors
Article on FDNRM:
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts-entertainment/all-tripadvisor-reviews-written-by-same-weird-man-2013073177496
I wonder what ‘spin’ Ames will tell the IFA’s in Warrington today?
Ermmm yes about your £500,0000….. moving on…… I won a award and ….
Now I have won the Irish Court case all is well and you will be earning big bucks again!!!
Meanwhile, preparing to shaft them one for mis-selling his product 🙂
A true classic!! only Ames could do that one.
In summary if you sold HP, its only a matter of time before your in deep shit.
@Anon RU. And I thought you had stopped being a prat and were entering into sensible debates. Some people just cannot help themselves can they.
Morning FDNRM, or should I call you Roy now that you have been outed?
@Sid,
Outed, what are you talking about? has the bunker been spilling the beans on confidential data again………….. Roy WHO……
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@A Real Investor, see Anon – reasons unknown comment at 7:08 this morning.
@Sid that’s just like me saying you live in Cambridge 😉
@All seeing eye…..how is it the same as you saying I live in Cambridge?
@Sid, I know you live in that area, likewise I know that the post is NOT FDNRM.
It’s nice in Cambridge. Where in Cambridge do I live exactly?
Also, I know full well that A Real Investors post was NOT actually about FDNRM. I’m not that f@cking stupid. Give me some credit.
What’s going on. It has been over 24hrs since we’ve been treated to
either an “intensely passive aggressive” or “nauseatingly fawning” post
from Roy (aka -FDNRM). Could something have happened at the
meetings Ames was supposed to attend today that shut him up?
@anon, 6.57 stop writing crap. I’m not lord Lucon, Sheargar or anyone else, so grow up.
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