Dominica: Two men arrested for sodomy on Celebrity Summit cruise ship

UPDATED: April 6, 2012 – The two men tell their story as victims… but photos surface of them having public sex in broad daylight!

Gay rights activist says the two were wrong…

First the two ‘victims’ cry the blues about prejudice against gays…

But then the truth comes out… Photos of the two doing it in public in broad daylight. They knew they were putting on a show with dozens of people watching…

Friends… I don’t care if you are having sex with a man, a woman or several of each at the same time… if you deliberately do it where my children can see you –  nevermind the law, you have a big problem with me.

UPDATED: March 23, 2012

More details: The men were on the ship, outside of their cabin on the balcony, naked and fondling each other. They were not having sex.

They had been drinking and, according to their lawyer, “They were struck by the beautiful mountains, clear fresh water and beauty of the island and they also had a few cock-tails and so threw caution to the wind. They came here for a good time and did not mean to offend the laws of the country,”

The two were convicted of “Indecent Exposure” and fined EC$2,400.00 each. They were scheduled to leave the island on Thursday evening. A large crowd gathered at the court and the police had to put up barricades. The Chief Magistrate called the two “rogues and vagabonds”, but it sounds to me like the judge was just disgusted that two men were traveling together as a couple.

Now folks, whether you’re a gay or straight couple, if you appear naked on the cruise ship’s balcony and fondle each other while in port you will attract attention and some of it might be from the authorities. That’s a given.

The real question is: In all the circumstances, were these two men treated differently than a straight couple would have been treated?

I think so. I can’t believe that a man and a woman making the same errors in judgment would have ended up in jail for the night and then have been the subject of so much public attention and disgust. What do you think, folks?

Dominica News Online: Men found guilty of indecent exposure

Original story published on March 22, 2012….

Would the two have been arrested if they were a man and a woman?

Whatever you’re doing in the privacy of your own room – well, I guess you’d better be sure those curtains are drawn and that they aren’t too thin. Wifey and I learned years ago (and much to our embarrassment at the time) that just because you can’t see out, doesn’t mean the neighbours can’t see in!

“The presence of gay cruises in the Caribbean has riled several conservative islands including Jamaica and Grenada, where anti-sodomy laws are enforced with strong backing from religious groups.

According to Cruisemates.com, no gay cruise lines sail to Jamaica or Barbados for fear of homophobia and possible violence.”

… from the AP story 2 US men arrested on gay cruise in Caribbean

The Celebrity Summit was tied up in Dominica when someone on the dock saw the two men going at it. There’s no indication in the story if the men were in their cabin and thought they were in private, or if they knew they were putting on a public show. To me, that is the key fact missing from the story and because I don’t have that information I can only speculate with some ‘ifs’ thrown in.

IF the two men reasonably thought they were in private, I think they should have been cautioned that they could be seen from the dock. That’s probably what would have happened to a man and woman under those circumstances. IF, on the other hand, the two men knew they were putting on a show, then they should have been charged with whatever a male/female couple would be charged with in the same situation.

The use of Dominica’s buggery law makes this a human rights issue because, as I related in an earlier article, I am convinced that just as people are born with different skin colours and physical characteristics, they are also born with different attractions for other people.

There was a time in Barbados when blacks were not allowed inside certain clubs, unless it was to scrub the toilets or smile and serve the drinks. There was a time in our country when black reporters could not cover a trial from inside the court. There was a time in the United States when persons were not allowed to marry or have relations outside their race. Those laws ended.

It’s time for Barbados to repeal our buggery laws – or, as I wrote before, if we’re going to regulate sex acts between consenting adults based upon the Bible, we shouldn’t be so selective – we should make adultery illegal too.

Further Reading

Associated Press: 2 US men arrested on gay cruise in Caribbean

BFP: What if Owen Arthur was a homosexual instead of an adulterer?

BFP: Africans Hacking Africans To Death – Bajans Should Think About What Fuels Such Violence, And Also About Their Thoughts On Guyanese And Homosexuals

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36 responses to “Dominica: Two men arrested for sodomy on Celebrity Summit cruise ship

  1. robert ross

    Since the men are due in court today (Thursday) is it possible for you to provide follow up?

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  3. rastaman

    Wasn’t the same ship in Barbados a couple of days before?

  4. Just say No to de bullahs?

    Moral of the story:
    Guys, pleeeease don’t bull on Top Deck where the islanders can see you, OK?
    Doesn’t look good!

  5. Mark Fenty

    I find it very objectionably for some to possess the audacious impudicity, to tell growing men what to do in the privacy of their room. Yeah, there was a time when ignorance ruled the face of humanity, but we are now living in the age of enlightenment, and reason.

  6. Buck

    Glad to see de bullers arrested , in Canad and America dem allowing dem to get legally ‘married’ but it is not Legal to GOD!
    N.America will pay dearly for this Sodom and Gomorrah

  7. Anonymous

    they were on the dock! Not in a room!!

  8. spinelli craigg

    Leave our laws alone. Laws are put in place to deter the lawless. Barbados is a christian and god fearing country. You want to have a good time make sure your surroundings are safe get heavier curtains.

  9. Spinelli

    I don’t agree with the lifestyle but to each his own. According to anonymous tht’s even gross, dogs do it any place because they are in heat .. get that message across. What happen to decency and integrity. i hve friends who are gay but they are very decent about it, and I have a lot of respect for them.
    Christian woman.

  10. 57

    Public sexual acts are illegal in many countries. If these men were indeed having sex in public they should be arrested. I’m sure they paid a couple thousand dollars to go on a cruise in which they have a private cabin to conduct sexual activities. Why on earth would they have sex on the deck of the ship on not their cabin?.

  11. robert ross

    Since there are now two different accounts in the blogs – again BFP – since the two fellas were in court today will you kindly provide follow-up if you are able.

  12. 32535834/24346-C66

    What dummies they are/were!!
    And what a churchy crock of shit the whole incident is!

  13. Naked and fondling?

    Does bad taste and indiscretion on a cruise ship constitute Indecent exposure?

    I think BFP is right on this one!

    If they were a male and female, naked and fondling each other, they would have been told to get back into their rooms.

    discriminatory and overkill

  14. Maybe the aim was to get arrested and thrown in a Caribbean jail with big dickey black men. Fine them and sent them home on the next flight. To jail them would be to encourage more to do it so they can get locked up in the Caribbean

  15. millertheanunnaki

    @spinelli craigg: March 22, 2012 at 3:15 pm
    “Leave our laws alone. Laws are put in place to deter the lawless. Barbados is a christian and god fearing country.”

    Laws are put in place to ‘Punish’ the lawless.
    Which part of Barbados is Christian or god fearing? Bush Hill, Pinfold Street,

  16. millertheanunnaki

    @spinelli craigg: March 22, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    Which part of Barbados is Christian or god fearing? Bush Hill? Pinfold Street? Child maintenance collection points? Lovers lanes? HIV/AIDS testing and drug dispensing points? The sleeping and toilet places for the many vagrants on the streets of Bridgetown and other populated areas? The many rum shops, drug dens, gambling rooms lottery outlets and thieving business houses which collect VAT but refuse to pay it over to government? The many illegal dumpers and litterbugs that despoil and degrade the natural environment everyday?
    The political liars and thieves? CLICO fraudsters and their protectors and beneficiaries?
    Where and who in Barbados fit that description of “christian and god fearing”?

  17. robert ross

    @ Boiling Lake
    Thankyou very much.
    See how we go on and haven’t got the facts? Doubtless it was indecent exposure and the same would apply even if the couple were heterosexual, at least so far as the male was concerned – and IF the exposure of the male member under all circumstances is to be accounted “lewd and obscene”. But I didn’t realise that Dominica still had a vagrancy law; seemingly the magistrate decribed the pair as “rogues and vagabonds” – or was this poetic fantasy?

    @ Miller

    That’s my boy…I think I’m in love. Jesus, my guru, would be proud of you. Yes “scribes and Pharisees….” No need to answer.

  18. gee

    I live in the UK and am confronted by homosexuality and lesbianism daily, whilst I was disgusted that black bajans were not allowed entry into harbour lights , I also had to ask myself why black ministers allowed this, as this would not be tolerated in the UK and quite rightly so. I would further advise that our black people would not tolerate it . However I respect barbados and Jamaica in their zero tolerance of homosexuality and why did these men exhibit themselves in this way. As for harbour lights, I will name you and shame you, and I am white and disgusted with your attitude towards black barbadians.

  19. gee

    Why is my previous comment not displayed, blessings to Barbados and Jamaica for not tolerating homosexuality especially so openly displayed, but because I referred to other comments and named a business its not showing. I spoke the truth but brush it under the carpet.

  20. robert ross

    @ gee

    You are confronted by homosexuality and lesbianism daily? Gee – what a busy life you lead.

  21. 69

    gee living in de past how he re-speckin jca and bim for their zero tolerance to bullerz. what a laugh. bajans got the biggest rep in de carib. for homosexual stuff and the jca attitude is buried in the bible of the 1800s. wow i really want to re-speck dat. Hello? its the 21st.century or dint u notice? homo is no big deal and jes now weed gyne legal DEN u gyne freakout fer real den. gotta roll wid todays punches my man not cling to the past

  22. whataloadarubish

    gee, Harbor Lights does not restrict entrance to Blacks, I have been partying there for the last 15 years and have many Black friends that have been doing the same, you probably picked up some crack addicted beach bums to go partying with, as known trouble makers are not allowed in. People like partying there as it is a safe environment and the best party on the island

  23. 72.64/11C

    You’ll find that Harbour Lights has a decent racial mix of respectable people being admitted at the door.

    The H.Lights people in charge of admissions know exactly Who and whoNOT to let in! and have been doing a fine job in that respect, over the last 20 yrs. or so.

  24. Gotohell

    Recent reports give reason to believe they were foolishly underdressed on their cabin patio and may have been showing physical affection with each other, but were almost certainly not “having sex.”

    Gay folks will be sure to cross Dominica off their list, including relatively conservative, non-demonstrative types like me and my partner. You people are a bunch of backward-assed, undereducated, hateful bumpkins, and you can keep your backwash of a country to yourselves.

  25. mary_clyne

    @ millertheanunnakir , you hit the nail right on the head!

    @Gotohell, There is some thing you should understand about the Peoples of the Caribbean, we are a bunch of judgmental, hypocritical, bigoted ,racist, arrogant and self righteous people who cloth ourselves with the words of the Bible but when light is shown on us we are as naked as a new born baby!
    Just ignore the haters in this world, and you and your partner have a wonderful life together , every one in this world is searching for love and if you have found it Excellent!

  26. rastaman

    @Gotohell.Hope that is not where you end up.

  27. ignorant

    @miller… they are over @ BU

  28. BARBADOS ZERO TOLERANCE FOR FAGGOTS, LMAO TOO FUNNY.

  29. Anonymous

    There were indeed having sex

  30. truth seeker

    I still cannot figure out what is so “enlightened” and modern about men who use the anus for sexual pleasure. Its meant to expel feces.
    the CDC reported that on average , a homosexual swallows the feces of 23 others each year.Homosexual behaviour is inherently harmful. no wonder they have Hepatitis, LGV and 9000 times the risk of anal cancer. I dont find that progressive, and while i abhor all violence, a state ought to be able to say what is appropriate and what is not, after all a man who desires his adult daughter will find that they cant legally satisfy those desires in their own home with curtains drawn. So privacy and consent are not the only consideration.

  31. Penny

    Why can’t Americans learn the correct pronounciation of DOMINICA??

  32. what will they think of next

    where can i find some of these photos?

  33. rastaman

    Just hope I don’t get their cabin if I ever cruise on that ship.

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