US kills Osama Bin Laden: American Judge proves why it doesn’t matter.

Another violent Islamist gets his 77 virgins and alcohol

President Obama announced last night that a US Navy Seals team killed Bin Laden in a raid on a fortified compound outside Islamabad, Pakistan. According to US authorities, Pakistani forces were not asked to take part in the operation. (No kidding!)

The US has the body and and DNA testing confirms the dead terrorist is Bin Laden.

“A small team of Americans carried out the operation. After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body.”

… President Obama on national television

An Execution carried out in Pakistan by the United States: You can run, but you can’t hide.

It is interesting that President Obama stated that Bin Laden was killed “after a firefight”, not “during a firefight”, so it was apparently an execution and Obama said so. That suits me just fine, thank you.

The US took great pains to announce that the body would be “handled in accordance with Islamic practice and tradition”. Breaking news at 08:10 GMT, May 2, 2011 is that the mass murderer Bin Laden has been buried at sea. Good. I hope they tossed him out the back of a low-flying aircraft with nobody knowing exactly where.

Frankly I’d like to see some of those invisible “moderate Muslims” step forward and say that Bin Laden wasn’t a real Muslim and that he should have been interred with pig guts for misunderstanding the peaceful nature of Islam.

There’s no chance of that because a very sizable portion of Muslims worldwide – several hundred million at a minimum – support violence to advance Islam. In fact, Bin Laden is wildly popular just about everywhere, including in London, England and Dearborn, Michigan. (Don’t believe me on this, just do a little internet research for yourself and you’ll confirm that in about two minutes.)

Bin Laden’s death is a small milestone in an ongoing war between Muslim and Western ideology and values.

“The US is not – and never will be – at war with Islam, as Obama says, but significant elements of Islam are – and always will be – at war with the U.S. Nothing that happened during that firefight in Abbottabad will change that…”

Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch comments on Bin Laden’s killing

Violent and Non-Violent Jihad to advance Islam

The goal of every believing Muslim is to see Islam imposed upon all people in the world. That concept is as central to Islam as is the avoidance of pork and the idea that daughters are worth less than sons.

Violent Jihad is only one of the methods used to advance Islam. Some of the other means used to advance Islam and overturn Western and other infidel values are influencing legislation, abridging freedom of speech by referring to possible violence, using political pressure, lawsuits, energy wars and proselytizing through the media.

The violent attacks on infidels and nominal Muslims will continue.

Bin Laden’s death doesn’t change a thing. Pious, devout Muslims will still be blowing up babies with nail bombs like they did a few days ago in Morocco. The non-violent Jihad will continue in the West in parallel with the violence. The stated goals of violent and non-violent Jihad are the same: the imposition of Islam upon infidels. Violent and non-violent methods of Jihad work in conjunction to achieve the same goal.

And it’s working…

U.S. Court confirms daughters are worth less than sons in the USA

If you’d like proof that Islam is actively being advanced in the United States, that Jihad has many faces – and that Bin Laden’s death changes nothing – you need look no further than the recent decision by a Pennsylvania Court that daughters only deserve half of what sons deserve in settling their father’s estate.

Will Calls for Distribution “According to Islamic Laws and Sharia”; Pennsylvania Court Gives Twice as Much to Each Son as to Each Daughter

That’s right folks: an American court decided that an American woman was only entitled to half of what her brothers were entitled to, based upon her lack of a penis: all according to Islamic Sharia law as enforced by the State of Pennsylvania, US of A.

Where is the National Organization for Women?

Where are the human rights activists? Where is the American Civil Liberties Union?

For some reason, when it comes to taking on Islam the human rights activists have but one common response…

…the sound of crickets chirping.

Bin Laden is dead. Have a beer – but nothing really changed.

Text of President Obama’s announcement that Bin Laden is dead, dead, dead…

President Obama: Good evening. Tonight, I can report to the American people and to the world, the United States has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of al Qaeda, and a terrorist who’s responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent men, women, and children.

It was nearly 10 years ago that a bright September day was darkened by the worst attack on the American people in our history. The images of 9/11 are seared into our national memory — hijacked planes cutting through a cloudless September sky; the Twin Towers collapsing to the ground; black smoke billowing up from the Pentagon; the wreckage of Flight 93 in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, where the actions of heroic citizens saved even more heartbreak and destruction.

And yet we know that the worst images are those that were unseen to the world. The empty seat at the dinner table. Children who were forced to grow up without their mother or their father. Parents who would never know the feeling of their child’s embrace. Nearly 3,000 citizens taken from us, leaving a gaping hole in our hearts.

On September 11, 2001, in our time of grief, the American people came together. We offered our neighbors a hand, and we offered the wounded our blood. We reaffirmed our ties to each other, and our love of community and country. On that day, no matter where we came from, what God we prayed to, or what race or ethnicity we were, we were united as one American family.

We were also united in our resolve to protect our nation and to bring those who committed this vicious attack to justice. We quickly learned that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by al Qaeda — an organization headed by Osama bin Laden, which had openly declared war on the United States and was committed to killing innocents in our country and around the globe. And so we went to war against al Qaeda to protect our citizens, our friends, and our allies.

Over the last 10 years, thanks to the tireless and heroic work of our military and our counterterrorism professionals, we’ve made great strides in that effort. We’ve disrupted terrorist attacks and strengthened our homeland defense. In Afghanistan, we removed the Taliban government, which had given bin Laden and al Qaeda safe haven and support. And around the globe, we worked with our friends and allies to capture or kill scores of al Qaeda terrorists, including several who were a part of the 9/11 plot.

Yet Osama bin Laden avoided capture and escaped across the Afghan border into Pakistan. Meanwhile, al Qaeda continued to operate from along that border and operate through its affiliates across the world.

And so shortly after taking office, I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority of our war against al Qaeda, even as we continued our broader efforts to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat his network.

Then, last August, after years of painstaking work by our intelligence community, I was briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden. It was far from certain, and it took many months to run this thread to ground. I met repeatedly with my national security team as we developed more information about the possibility that we had located bin Laden hiding within a compound deep inside of Pakistan. And finally, last week, I determined that we had enough intelligence to take action, and authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice.

Today, at my direction, the United States launched a targeted operation against that compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. A small team of Americans carried out the operation with extraordinary courage and capability. No Americans were harmed. They took care to avoid civilian casualties. After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body.

For over two decades, bin Laden has been al Qaeda’s leader and symbol, and has continued to plot attacks against our country and our friends and allies. The death of bin Laden marks the most significant achievement to date in our nation’s effort to defeat al Qaeda.

Yet his death does not mark the end of our effort. There’s no doubt that al Qaeda will continue to pursue attacks against us. We must — and we will — remain vigilant at home and abroad.

As we do, we must also reaffirm that the United States is not — and never will be — at war with Islam. I’ve made clear, just as President Bush did shortly after 9/11, that our war is not against Islam. Bin Laden was not a Muslim leader; he was a mass murderer of Muslims. Indeed, al Qaeda has slaughtered scores of Muslims in many countries, including our own. So his demise should be welcomed by all who believe in peace and human dignity.

Over the years, I’ve repeatedly made clear that we would take action within Pakistan if we knew where bin Laden was. That is what we’ve done. But it’s important to note that our counterterrorism cooperation with Pakistan helped lead us to bin Laden and the compound where he was hiding. Indeed, bin Laden had declared war against Pakistan as well, and ordered attacks against the Pakistani people.

Tonight, I called President Zardari, and my team has also spoken with their Pakistani counterparts. They agree that this is a good and historic day for both of our nations. And going forward, it is essential that Pakistan continue to join us in the fight against al Qaeda and its affiliates.

The American people did not choose this fight. It came to our shores, and started with the senseless slaughter of our citizens. After nearly 10 years of service, struggle, and sacrifice, we know well the costs of war. These efforts weigh on me every time I, as commander in chief, have to sign a letter to a family that has lost a loved one, or look into the eyes of a service member who’s been gravely wounded.

So Americans understand the costs of war. Yet as a country, we will never tolerate our security being threatened, nor stand idly by when our people have been killed. We will be relentless in defense of our citizens and our friends and allies. We will be true to the values that make us who we are. And on nights like this one, we can say to those families who have lost loved ones to al Qaeda’s terror: Justice has been done.

Tonight, we give thanks to the countless intelligence and counterterrorism professionals who’ve worked tirelessly to achieve this outcome. The American people do not see their work, nor know their names. But tonight, they feel the satisfaction of their work and the result of their pursuit of justice.

We give thanks for the men who carried out this operation, for they exemplify the professionalism, patriotism, and unparalleled courage of those who serve our country. And they are part of a generation that has borne the heaviest share of the burden since that September day.

Finally, let me say to the families who lost loved ones on 9/11 that we have never forgotten your loss, nor wavered in our commitment to see that we do whatever it takes to prevent another attack on our shores.

And tonight, let us think back to the sense of unity that prevailed on 9/11. I know that it has, at times, frayed. Yet today’s achievement is a testament to the greatness of our country and the determination of the American people.

The cause of securing our country is not complete. But tonight, we are once again reminded that America can do whatever we set our mind to. That is the story of our history, whether it’s the pursuit of prosperity for our people, or the struggle for equality for all our citizens; our commitment to stand up for our values abroad, and our sacrifices to make the world a safer place.

Let us remember that we can do these things not just because of wealth or power, but because of who we are: one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you. May God bless you. And may God bless the United States of America.”

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58 responses to “US kills Osama Bin Laden: American Judge proves why it doesn’t matter.

  1. Swordfish – Hugh Jackman, Halle Berry & John Travolta

  2. what will they think of next

    I bet that there is jubilation in the BFP household. A muslim killed.

  3. TWWIFOS

    “There’s no chance of that because a very sizable portion of Muslims worldwide – hundreds of millions – support violence to advance Islam.”

    Where did you dig this up from? The Enquirer?

  4. confused

    is it really osama or a look a like

  5. Start here clams taste good

    Analysis of this PEW data shows that 28% of Muslims surveyed in 5 countries [ Egypt, Lebanon,Jordan, Nigeria, Indonesia ] with 366m Muslims, support AL-QAIDA. That is 102m. And 43.5% support Hamas – that is 159m, while 150m support Hizb-ALLAH – 41%.

  6. six and one-half dozen.

    The celebratory street dancing was a litlte much….
    This “war on terror” now appears like it is going to about street dance parties whenever the Americans hit a target, and whenever Al Qaeda and those whackos strike a target of theirs they too will continue to take to the streets as always.

  7. Green Monkey

    Dr. Paul Craig Roberts (Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration and a former Wall St. Journal editor) asks a few impolite questions.

    Think about it. What are the chances that a person allegedly suffering from kidney disease and requiring dialysis and, in addition, afflicted with diabetes and low blood pressure, survived in mountain hideaways for a decade? If bin Laden was able to acquire dialysis equipment and medical care that his condition required, would not the shipment of dialysis equipment point to his location? Why did it take ten years to find him?

    Consider also the claims, repeated by a triumphalist US media celebrating bin Laden’s death, that “bin Laden used his millions to bankroll terrorist training camps in Sudan, the Philippines, and Afghanistan, sending ‘holy warriors’ to foment revolution and fight with fundamentalist Muslim forces across North Africa, in Chechnya, Tajikistan and Bosnia.” That’s a lot of activity for mere millions to bankroll (perhaps the US should have put him in charge of the Pentagon), but the main question is: how was bin Laden able to move his money about? What banking system was helping him? The US government succeeds in seizing the assets of people and of entire countries, Libya being the most recent. Why not bin Laden’s? Was he carrying around with him $100 million dollars in gold coins and sending emissaries to distribute payments to his far-flung operations?

    snip

    The various lies and deceptions, such as “weapons of mass destruction,” of the last several administrations had terrible consequences for the US and the world. But not all deceptions are the same. Remember, the entire reason for invading Afghanistan in the first place was to get bin Laden. Now that President Obama has declared bin Laden to have been shot in the head by US special forces operating in an independent country and buried at sea, there is no reason for continuing the war.

    Perhaps the precipitous decline in the US dollar in foreign exchange markets has forced some real budget reductions, which can only come from stopping the open-ended wars. Until the decline of the dollar reached the breaking point, Osama bin Laden, who many experts believe to have been dead for years, was a useful bogyman to use to feed the profits of the US military/security complex.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24587

  8. BGI

    Bollocks, I say. Come on, the world has been duped, big time! We are expected to believe that Osama, an outcast from the Bin Laden family, coordinated and financed a perfectly executed attack on America from thousands of miles away in a cave using 19 bumbling ‘hijackers’ who could barely fly a Cessna, piloting four 700 ton jetliner in precision maneuvers? That we are to believe that the most powerful nation of earth, with the biggest and best funded intelligence network and military in the world, with spy satellites, microchips and smart bombs, can’t find a terminally sick guy with kidney failure on a mule in the mountains after almost TEN years?

    And yet, just as Mr. Obama’s approval rating is dropping thru the floor, miraculously he is found, attacked, and killed, all within 40 minutes? And the body, you say? Well, they treated it with respect by having a burial at sea (in shark infested waters, no less) according to Islamic Law. Really? What Islamic Law is that? Could this be the same Law that allows you to enter a persons country and launch an attack without the courtesy of an invitation?

    I guess Mrs. Benazir Bhutto of Pakistan was all wrong when she said in 2007 that Osama was already dead – but oops, we can’t ask her, ’cause she was assasinated soon afterwards.

    Hmm…

  9. BGI

    Whoops, my ‘ramblings’ came in a millisecond too late, after the post by Green Monkey…

  10. TWWIFOS

    Analysis of this PEW data shows that ……..

    You mean a PU poll….as in it stinks! You base that on a poll that asked 5,668 people and translate that into “hundreds of millions”? Get real.

  11. Observer

    I too think it has a lot to do with Obama’s low ratings – he knows how gullible most Americans are. Since 9-11 you really can believe everything reported in mainstream press, you always have to do some digging on the net. To me, disposing the alleged Bin Ladin’s body at sea, or anywhere else, is tantamount to burying the evidence. DNA evidence my foot! They would have known long time where he was. I had at first wondered whether Pakistan was threatened with the HAARP machine and therefore “handed” over Bin Laden to avoid a tragedy similar to Japan. Yes, indeed, the world has been duped big time and shamelessly. I saw a video of an interview by David Frost of the late Benazir Bhuto in November 2007, one (1) month before she was assassinated, during which she said that Bin Ladin had been killed by the man who killed the British journalist Daniel Pearl. The Pakistan Observer said that Bin Ladin died of a lung complication in 2001 and another site stated there were, I think six Bin Ladins! My view is that the real terrorists are in plain view and thriving well.

  12. Observer

    That should be that “since 9-11 you really can’t . . .”

  13. Just have to laugh

    Seriously speaking you would have to be stupid to believe this .

    It is a publicity stunt by president obama to gain popularity .
    Its no suprise it comes a day after the allied forces pulled a blunder and killed gaddafi son , this is a perfect way to divert the attention .

    After searching for nearly 10 years you think them would really kill he on the spot unlike what they did to saddam .

    Secondly , there is no way al qaeda will be weakened by this rather make them stronger .

    Regarding the pic you can tell its photoshop . After showing the man with a white beard for so many years they put a black beard on he taking into account that in islam a man is not allowed to die his beard black .

    And they said they bury him in the sea . Obviously who the hell gonna go down there to see . And again burying in sea is not a muslim practice .

  14. Just have to laugh

    And oh by the way you would have to be stupid as well to believe osama was behind 9/11 .
    There is so much evidence out there to tell you that . Its amazing how the media rules the world .

  15. TrueBajanMan

    @ Green Monkey

    I thought I was the only one with that kind of information, damn now I feel like a ordinary man again.

    To the rest of you out there this has nothing to do with Obama ratings where do you people get this stuff from my goodness.

    The US can’t continue fighting that “WAR” forever its too expensive, so to look good and come home with heads high and save face this is the way to do it.

    Look out for the next announcement “US Troops Coming Home”

  16. typical

    So typical of BFP. A long piece of diatribe. Do you idiots actually believe this sort of crap you write. I cannot imagine how brainwashed by right wing and evangelical propaganda you people must be to spout this crap.

    Everything is simplistic. Black and white. Good and evil. Nothing about nuances, about politics, economics, poverty, war, the military industrial complex, history, context, invasions and occupation, oil, multinational corporations.

    Thankfully people have an alternative to BFP and the right wing hate-filled sites.

    This is a much more balanced piece: http://www.democracynow.org/2011/5/2/one_killer_killing_another_journalist_and

  17. Mark L. Fenty

    Observer, it is fundamentally unintelligable to articulate that all Americans are gullible, when in essence it is quite the contrary my friend. You have advanced a narrow view based on speculation yourself, moreover, I question where you obtain you deep analysis my friend.

  18. Observer

    Mark L Fenty. If you ever have a sober moment, please re-read my post – 1st word 2nd line as your eyes might still be blurred. Just check the posts to various articles on MSN.com for an indication as to how “most”Americans think. You stated “… in essence it is quite the contrary. . .” of a people who have blindly given up a lot of their freedoms seemingly without even a protest since 9-11. Interesting. In any event, what I’ve stated is well known by anyone who is not willing to accept what is stated by mainstream media but who is willing to do careful research. I do consider your post intellectualized gibberish but you will have to look elsewhere for a spat partner.

    TrueBajanMan – I would really be overjoyed if the so-called war on terror ceases but I am not waiting to exhale – I might expire! LOL

  19. 251

    Regarding street parties, I’m an american and you didn’t see street parties when thousands where hit and killed during 911. We joined forces of ordinary peope, gave hope and support for our loved ones and people we didn’t know. We’ve gone to war and paid for war when others couldn’t fit the bill. Come on…………..Royal Weddings, street parties, give me a break. Whenever there’s a problem…the United States of America is there and we protect each and everyone of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good luck if we ever say adios, do it all on your own.

  20. 251

    Also, I have many UK friends but I don’t see any of them commending our efforts, what’s the deal?

  21. At the 6:15 mark in this video, Benazir Bhutto refers in a matter-of-fact manner to “the man who killed Osama bin Laden.”

    If this was a misstatement, she did not correct herself, nor did the interviewer call attention to it.

    http://bit.ly/iLD1t0

  22. eddie

    251
    “the United States of America is there and we protect each and everyone of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good luck if we ever say adios, do it all on your own.” the united states of america protects us as far as their interests are served politicaly and financialy. once we serve no further benifit to the US then we are cast aside, like many of its former allies. let us not delude ourselves, we are protected only to serve our US masters.

    the US does no favors, only investments which must reap rewards for them.

    Get Real 251

  23. rasta man

    This smells very fishy like the sea the body is supposed to be in.

  24. Nicola

    Hate is hate, this website so so anti Muslim the grounds of Mecca must burn each time you guys write you bias B.S.

    You talk about the hatred of the Muslim world for rest of the world yet the hatred of all things Muslim comes from you people how does that make you better that the people you criticize.

    Yes you will say because we don’t kill people to further our religious ideologies, but before the so call Christian world gets on its high moral horse research your history the history of Christianity is as bloody and vile as anything we are seeing in the Muslim world today, and ask yourself this who really started this war?

    The USA thinks it is a power unto itself you go into someone else country and Murder a man retribution you call it assassination by any other name is still assassination. Please no attempt was made to “bring” him to justice to have a “trial” it was a search and destroy mission pure and simple with a body flung into the deep dark sea to prevent shrine status.

    Think about this Bush never wanted to capture Osama, what and pissed his daddy’s friends and business associates off. What totally idiot really believe that a billionaire from a family of billionaires who finances his war would be living in a cave in Afghanistan, oh yeah that’s right the American public. What I can tell you was in Afghanistan was all those lovely pipe lines of black gold.

    As is often said a thief from a thief does make God laugh, America and its allies are just as blood thirsty as Al Queda.

    It should never be forgotten that one mans terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

  25. Falcor

    It is good to know that the American government has never misled or lied to the public.I can now rest assured that the reports of UBL are accurate and true. Just a couple of quick questions though. When they caught Suddam Hussain they had pictures of them taking him out of the “spiderhole”. When they rescued the female soldier from an Iraqi hospital they filmed the whole operation. Now they catch UBL and not one picture, no body, no audio or radio transmissions, no interviews with troops. Suddam was publicly tried after being publicly examined by a doctor, a man the USA has been hunting for over ten years is disposed of in one day and no pictures or any other evidence. Just asking.

  26. Proverbs 24: 17,18

    Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth

    Lest the LORD see it, and it displease him, and he turn away his wrath from him.

  27. Proverbs 24: 17,18

    “I just can’t find it in me to be glad one more person is dead, even if it is Osama Bin Laden.” – Harry Waizer, a 9/11 survivor

  28. RE: U.S. Court confirms daughters are worth less than sons in the USA –

    Where is the National Organization for Women? Where are the human rights activists? Where is the American Civil Liberties Union?
    _____________________
    The court’s decision to give more to the sons than the daughter was a decision made by the Muslim Father in his will as to how he wanted his property divided up after his death.

    A valid will is still honored in the U.S., and while most Americans would divide their estate up equally between their children, it is obviously up to whatever the parent wants to do. Many leave their entire estate to charity, and nothing to the children.

    The property decision was obviously in relation to the father’s religion, but your statement that this type of property division is the LAW in Pennsylvania is false.

    A will can be contested or over turned, however that is usually done when the validity of the will is challenged by those who benefit from the distribution of the estate. The case is currently on appeal.

    Bottom Line: The purpose of making out a will is for the court to carry out your last wishes regarding your property. The distribution of property according to what sex you happen to be is not fair according to American standards, BUT if you over turn someone’s last wishes because you do not agree with them, then there’s no purpose to even making out a will.

  29. Red Lake Lassie

    Linda, I guess you didn’t read the full article that BFP connects to and the case law that says US courts may not decide religious questions.

    I quote:

    “Now if Prof. Alkhafaji had specified in his will that he was leaving a 1/8 share to his wife, and then 1/8 to each of his sons and 1/16 to each of his daughters, that would be fine, regardless of whether his motivation was religious or secular. (This is subject to any state law that might give his wife the power to get some minimum prescribed share, but apparently this was not argued in this case, perhaps because part of the argument — which I won’t get into here — was that Prof. Alkhafaji had left his wife certain assets for the duration of her life, with only the remainder after her death to be split between the children.) People are free to discriminate based on sex, religion, race, and so on in their wills, including in their gifts to their children.
    But apparently the will had no such specific provision; rather, it called for distribution under religious law. This raises two questions:
    (1) May a court interpret a will — or a contract, deed, trust instrument, or what have you — that calls for the application of religious law (whether Islamic law, Jewish law, canon law, or any other religious law)? Or does the Establishment Clause preclude courts from deciding what, say, Islamic law actually requires, at least if there’s a controversy between the parties about what the “true” interpretation of the religious law should be? Here, one side argues that under Islamic law, the contested provisions of the will are invalid, and that the court erred in relying on the widow’s interpretation of Sharia law; to quote the appellee’s brief, 2011 WL 1573386:
    “The Court’s determination that the pension should be distributed by giving the widow one eighth of the estate, with the remainder going to the children with two parts for each male and one part for each female, was not only a violation of the terms of the MDA, but also an incorrect interpretation of Shariah law. Had the trial court consulted an expert or referenced judicial texts rather than an interested non-expert, it would have noted that the will offered by a person who is in the illness of death is invalid under Shariah law. The illness of death is defined as the illness which would most likely lead to death. In other words, had the court correctly interpreted Shariah law, it would have found paragraph four of Decedent’s most recent will to be invalid. Because Shariah law is codified in judicial texts which were referenced at the trial court level, and the trial court failed to consult those texts, it committed an error of law when it incorrectly interpreted Shariah law.”

    (2) May a court apply a foreign or religious legal rule that requires discrimination based on sex, religion, race, and the like, when it is doing so in the course of interpreting a will, contract, etc., on the theory that the court is simply effectuating the author’s discriminatory preferences rather than itself engaging in constitutionally suspect discrimination?

    Here’s my tentative answer to question (1), based on an earlier post: I think courts must refuse to interpret religious terms of wills and other such documents, because of what I call the No Religious Decisions strand of Establishment Clause caselaw. Here’s a very brief summary of that strand: In a long line of cases (such as Presbyterian Church in the United States v. Mary Elizabeth Blue Hull Memorial Presbyterian Church (1969)), the Supreme Court held that secular courts may not resolve religious questions, such as which rival church group most closely follows orthodox church teachings. Some states had rules, borrowed from English law, under which the more orthodox group would get to keep the church property, presumably on the theory that this would be more in keeping with what was intended by past donors to the church. But the Court held that such rules may not constitutionally be applied by civil courts (paragraph break added):”

    and so on!

  30. Red Lake Lassie

    A father can cut anyone out of a will, but when he says “distribute according to Sharia” it means that the US Court would be enforcing the provisions of Sharia that are at odds with the Constitution.

    Your way Linda, would have the Court enforcing Sharia that places women lower than men and values daughters at half the worth of sons.

    Of more concern to me is that no one here seems to care that it is central to Islam that women are lesser than men. All the rights and freedoms that women have worked and fought for in the last 100 years are nothing in Sharia.

    I echo BFP: Where are the women’s rights and human rights people and organizations when it comes to Muslim abuse of women? Are they frightened?

    I can tell you one thing: if the Christian bible said that daughters should only get half of what sons get, and a US Court tried to enforce that, the National Organization of Women would be all over it like pit bulls attacking.

    When it comes to Sharia and the codified abuse of women and women’s rights in Sharia, NOW gives it a pass. Why is that?

  31. FearPlay

    I am now reading that there is concern that the late Bin Laden was not buried in a traditional manner acceptable to Muslims. Were the over 3,000 people who perished on 9/11 buried in a manner acceptable to their families and their religious beliefs?
    Even as the Americans go about getting rid of these terrorist pests, they are still pussy-footing about the sensibilities of others who care little or nothing about them. Were the bodies of American pilots dragged through the street of another country treated with respect?
    The only error with the burial as sea was the body bag should have been weighed down with the carcasses of 16 virgin pigs!

  32. Pamela Geller

    “Jihadis will be enraged by their release. So what? If it’s not one thing it’s another. They are already at war with us, already killing Americans — this is just one episode in a long war, and we cannot be cowed by the rage of our enemy.”

  33. Pamela Geller

    About the release of the Bin Laden death video.

  34. Skeptics Question Osama Bin Laden Death, Asking for Proof
    May 2, 2011, ABC News/Associated Press

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/WorldNews/conspiracy-theories-proof-bin-ladens-death/story?id=13508746

    Now people are asking to see the evidence proving bin Laden is dead. From Pakistan to the U.S. people expressed their skepticism about the death of the man who is perhaps the most infamous terrorist ever known. Officials said today they are “99.9 percent” certain that bin Laden was shot dead in Pakistan.

    They also cited CIA photo analysis matching physical features such as bin Laden’s height. Rep. Mike Roger, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, told the Associated Press that more than one DNA sample was used to identify Osama bin Laden.

    After Adolf Hitler’s suicide in April 1945, conspiracy theories for years suggested Hitler was alive and in hiding.

    The Russian secret services came forward with a skull and jawbones. DNA results eventually showed the skull was that of a female.

  35. Mark L Fenty Sr.

    “Just have to laugh this is for you”
    Just have to laugh; you are advancing the same argument that was made during the Kennedy assignation. First is was alleged that Lee Harvey Oswald did the shooting, then attention was turned to Castro as the one who gave Oswald the directive to kill Kennedy, and then finally it was the Soviets that was at fault. Yet until this day there is inconclusive evidence to point to any of those sources as being directly involved with the exception of Oswald.
    You alleged that Bin Laden had no involvement in the September 11, bombing, yet on tape he categorically admitted his involvement; whether or not he was involved the fact remains that he admitted it to the world that is enough proof. Which leave us the question, did the Navy Special Forces disposed of Bin laden, or was it just a political ploy to defect attention away from Libya?
    I bet to defer my friend, I think that the evidence is clear and convincing, as long as Americans sense the believability of the incident that all that matters, call us here in America gullible that you’re right.

  36. Interested

    @ Mark L Fenty Sr.

    Yup, you Americans sure are gullible!

    Are you sure that’s him ON TAPE?

    Audio tapes are even easier to fake than video! After that first video that the Americans found, in which anyone can see that the person speaking ISN’T Osama…way too fat, and MUCH too young…they has to resort to audio! Osama HIMSELF never admitted to it, so BOOM! A video tape is staged and created…by YOUR AUTHORITIES! Why has there been mainly audio tapes bringing forth that info?

    Yup…Don’t stop believing! 😉

  37. yatinkiteasy

    Dey lying..I saw him at the Oistins Festival over Easter !

  38. watch

    Remember to watch ‘what the west needs to know about islam” on you tube all 8 or 10 parts.
    Why don’t all the bin laden sympathisers or the ones who are not pleased about his death come out and and tell everyone why they feel the US was wrong and why they think he should still be alive. Let’s face it the muslims ARE NOT HAPPY about this and there is a reson why there is no jubillation in the streets about his death.
    As one of them said in a cnn report [ yes one whose country recieves billions in US aid ]said” this is a sad day for islam.” I am sorry the reporter did not ask him why.

  39. iWatchya

    Here is an article that echoes the sentiments of the world… and he is a leader within the local Muslim community:

    http://news.barbadostoday.bb/barticlenew.php?ptitle=Muslims%20want%20peace&article=5248

  40. Justice101

    Whether or not the whole Bin laden capture was staged by the U.S. I was happy to hear that he is dead .I would like to inform all bajans that we are not beyond the reach of terrorist and on the night of 2001-09-11 there were celebrations in the Rendezvous , Club Morgan and other areas by the population of Syrians and other middle easterners living in these areas . These so called businessmen are mostly drug dealers and the proceeds of their illicit trade are sent to their homeland to assist with terrorism funding.Let us not forget that the terrorists who bombed the same World Trade Centre in 1993 got their U.S. visas in Barbados after one of these so called businessmen Mr Naime bribed an Embassy official.These people go unnoticed by government and it’s law enforcement agencies because they own government officials (Past administration included),Police and Customs,Immigration and elsewhere .Bajans before we comment on what is happening on the international scene lets see what is happening at home first

  41. Get tings right

    @ iwatchya
    fyi the man is not a leader in the muslim community rather just a spokesman on behalf of the barbados muslim association .

    @justice 101
    none of these syrians are members of the barbados muslim community .

  42. Just got to laugh

    @ iwatchya
    fyi the man is not a leader in the muslim community rather just a spokesman on behalf of the barbados muslim association .

    @justice 101
    none of these syrians are members of the barbados muslim community .

  43. True to Form

    justice 101 what an idiot you are. the local lebanese and syrian population are christians!

  44. peddiebill

    I am still to be convinced that after reading the texts of his interviews that bin Laden had anything to do with 9-11 except in approving of the event after it had happened. He even admitted he had not known it was being planned.
    Read the text of his interview with al Jezeera on 16 November which makes it plain. If not read Robert Fisk. At least Fisk bothered to meet the guy and had enough brains to find him three times during the 10 year period the might of the US army intelligence was on bin Laden’s trail. That wont stop most of US thinking Osama was behind 9-11 in the same way that most of them believed George Bush that Iraq had something to do with 9-11. Dont get me wrong, I believe bin Laden was a dangerous figurehead and certainly associated with some other acts of terrorism, but at least bother to find out what motivated him before assuming justice was done.
    The trouble is that justice in shooting an unarmed man might just be seen as
    injustice by the 18% of Pakistanis who still believe that bin Laden was a freedom fighting hero. A small percentage maybe – but a lot of people. Why is it that no-one bothers to ask them why they think that way. Surely it cant just be killing civilians that turned the US against bin Laden – because they have killed far more civilians in revenge in Iraq and Afghanistan alone.

  45. Mark L. Fenty Sr.

    I think what is important here is the fact that women and children were killed during September 11, attack; and to having someone admitting categorically on tape that he was partly responsible justified the kind of action America took in my book. I’m sure that people with what I call a reasonable amount of intelligence would see the justification for this killing, even though I’m not a big support of taking human life in this manner.

  46. Collateral

    Mark Fenty Sr, what about the millions of civilians killed in Iraq and Afghanistan?

  47. Clarence

    Mark Fenty, first of all allow me to applaud you for having the courage to attempt to defend the indefensible but such things are typical of those Americans who happen to be amongst the braindead variety. I happen to know that all Americans do not think as you do.

    Here are a couple questions for you:

    Why is it that the American government is always claiming that some other country is a threat to their existence and yet, you folks have the biggest and baddest weapons, the largest military and navy in the whole world? No other country would ever engage the thought of trying to atack America much less carry out the attack.

    How can you justify this so-called threat from Muslim nations when not even once has a Muslim nation ever tried to attack the US but on the contrary, there are several incidences of American invasions, occupations, shock and awing of the citizens of these so-called threatening countries slaughtering millions of persons in the process?

    Ironically, the countries that you always attack never have any kinds of air-defence to thwart your attacks or are they able to retaliate in the same way? examples being Somalia, Yemen, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan.

    Why is that when the US invades a country they never ever fully leave the country but always a military base is left behind on the soil of that country? and if what I am saying is untrue, why are they military bases still in Korea, Germany, Japan and those wars have been finished now for around 60 years or longer?

    How can America justify accusing other nations of seeking banned weapons, for example Iran, and yet according to the history, America is the only country that has ever used banned weapons in war? You bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki with atomic weapons; you bombed Vietnam and Cambodia with chemical weapons.

    And the very weapons you accuse Saddam Hussein of using on the Iraqi Kurds were supplied by you. I saw the story with the pic of Donald Rumsfeld meeting and shaking hands with the very Saddam Hussein.

    Not even Russia, to the best of my knowledge has ever used these banned weapons in any of their war theatres, but the US never spares the opportunity, when it cannot win a ground war, as was the case with Japan in the South Pacific war in the 1940s, and also in the case of Vietnam, to mercilessly slaughter Japanese and Vietnamese civilians, because these were not military targets that were being bombed, but cities.

    Can you honestly look any other country in the face and accuse them of terrorism when all your actions convey the very same result? All of these killings of innocents referred to as collateral damage, isn’t that not state-appointed terrorism? Or it is only seen as terrorism when in it is carried out by Muslims?

    Add to this your CIA that stirs up all kinds of violence in other countries when they are not seeking directly to overthrow the governments, as is the case right now in Libya and in Syria. Unfortunately, the uprising in Bahrain was forcibly put down by the Bahraini and Saudi Arabain authorities without a whimper coming out of Washington and the US media but of course, as long as the dictator is friendly with America it is alright no matter how brutal he is to his own people. The Iranian Prime Minister in the early 1950s Mossadegh was overthrown by the CIA and the puppet shah installed in his place. There are numerous accounts of this action all throughout Latin America.

    I am going to remind you of something; all the great empires before yours ended and it is just a matter of time before the fall of the american one. America was only america post 1492 and in terms of earth history, that is a relatively short time period. But as sure as night follows day, all the evil doings that you have wrought on third world countries are going to be repaid you by the Great Master above us all; mark my words.

  48. Observer

    Peddiebill: It never fails to amaze me how quite a lot of people just seem to ignore this. Close inspection of one of the planes that struck one of the WTC buildings on that fateful day had a missile on its undercarriage. I also recall that the plane did not look like a commercial one but more like the one of the U S Air Force’s. How could the Islamist extremists have accomplished such a thing without American officialdom knowing. Who authorised the power shut down of the WTC buildings shortly before 9-11 and who were those people who entered the buildings at that time and what exactly did they do. Perhaps, that’s why the buildings imploded the way they did. Also, videos show that it was not a plane that hit the Pentagon on that day but a missile – who was able to accomplish these feats. Undoubtedly Bin Ladin knew, after all, he was a CIA baby but he and his gang could never have accomplished all this in America on their own. I wonder what other CIA created terrorist will replace him. A lot of the truth is being buried with the consent of Americans in their refusal to investigate the many large grey areas surrounding these issues. It is my opinion thatt their Government needed 9-11, and continues to need the threat of terrorist attempts (I call it rent a terrorist) against that country, to gain more control over its citizens. It is also my opinion that the Apple tracking issue is a part of the scheme of things. I fear that the majority of Americans will continue to blindly believe all that is fed them until the day that they are dragged off to the FEMA camps and exterminated in either the guillotine rooms or gas chambers contained therein because they are too many to be effectively controlled. The sum of my post: it is my opinion that the real “terrorists” rule at home, have no care for the well being of America and are using the terrorist alerts to effectively remove every bastion the Founding fathers placed in the constitution to protect the rights of the people. The feared Islamist extremists are dispensable and can easily be replaced. Time will tell. May God help us in these very strange times.

  49. Observer is an idiot.

    Hello Editor of BFP: Please let these idiots discuss their conspiracy theories elsewhere. Jesu!

  50. Rubbert

    Irony is, Bin Laden was supported by the US against the Soviets to run them back out of the East, it bankrupted the Soviets.

    Now, Putin must be laughing his head off, his economy finally back on track and healthy, that the monster unleashed cannot be caged by its masters and is now also bankrupting its masters with three ongoing wars.

    Karma is a bitch.

  51. Observer is no idot

    Observer is an idiot. Observer has freedom of expression of any blogger. You belong to mainstream media blogs.

  52. looking to get ban

    all of wunna who posting views that are not mainstream conformist pro-american right wing bs will be deleted or banned. wunna dont seem to realise that freedom of speech as understood by bfp means free to say what you want as long as we agree.

  53. Jack Fuller

    77 virgins? Where does this dumbass blogger pull these stats, out of his vile rear end?

  54. Too cut & dried, all so neat – does no one have any cojones to challenge the Sheeple? Bury At Sea? No Photo or Video in the day of Internet? Hiding in plain sight near to an Army base? A leader formerly on shaky ground for a second term, now is a shoo-in? Please, wake up!

  55. observer

    Ian Bourne and the other thinking caps. I really can’t fathom why people seem hell bent on turning a blind eye to what is happening. Perhaps the sheeple are really ostrichple – they have buried their heads in the sand because they are too scared to face the truth!

  56. Justice101

    @ True to form. You obviously know very little about the real situation of which I have proof . So who is the idiot now ?

  57. Do keep in mind: if I die and my will says “I give everything divided equally among my sons. I give nothing to my dauighters because they are women and I hate women,” it would be perfectly legal. The issue is not whether you can discriminate in your will, because you absolutely can. The issue is the extent to which you can incorporate a distribution scheme outside your will into your will by reference. It would be problematic even if religion were not involved.