Michigan Judge: Fear of Muslim violence in Dearborn trumps U.S. Constitution

UPDATED: April 23, 2011

Michigan Judge and jury declare that Dearborn Muslims are so violent, that the Constitutional right to freedom of speech must be set aside for everyone’s safety.

American Pastor jailed for planning protest on public land.

America: Meet Sharia, the new top law of the land.

Original story published April 22, 2011…

Should Qur’an burning pastor be denied freedom of speech?

Florida pastor Terry Jones is in Michigan at this moment looking to hold a peaceful protest across from the largest mosque in the USA, the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn.

The local police want him to put up $100,000 bond in case the Muslims riot and commit other violence and damage. Jones refused and says it’s a Constitutional right to peacefully protest, and he’s scheduled the protest on Good Friday at 5pm. He says he’s protesting against terrorists, not all Muslims, and that no matter what his opinions are it’s not his problem if a sector of the community is prone to violence over his free speech.

The judge gave Jones the choice of putting up the money or a jury trial right now. Jones took the trial and that’s set to go on Friday morning. Maybe. Jones says the trial itself is not Constitutional and it’s a ploy to keep him from his right to free speech. He’ll be at the mosque at 5pm trial or no trial, he says.

The ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) is on Jones’ side because, they say, no matter how disgusting or out in space somebody’s words and actions are, if they don’t break the law then the ACLU will usually support them. That’s what the ACLU does.

In a world full of surprises, Jones has the support of the Arab Community Center for Economic & Social Services. Director Hassan Jaber issued a statement backing Jones’ right to protest — and residents’ right to criticize him.

Says Jaber, “We cannot teach the U.S. Constitution in our citizenship classes while opposing First Amendment rights. So we support Mr. Jones’ right to speak, but we do so with our own postscript: That his message of bigotry and hate does not resonate here.”

That message from an American Muslim leader is about the most hopeful thing I’ve heard in years from the Islamic community.

Do you say “God Hates FAGS” ? The Supreme Court upholds your right to speak.

The Dearborn situation makes for an interesting contrast with that of Fred Phelps, the hateful leader of the “Westboro Cult” that protests outside of military funerals with signs saying “God Hates FAGS!” The Supreme Court of the United States reaffirmed Phelps’ right to carry on with his protests.

Neo-Nazi? Hate Jews? The Supreme Court upholds your right of assembly.

The Supreme Court also protected the rights of the neo-Nazi National Socialist Party of America to march through Skokie, Illinois in the late 1970’s. At the time of the Nazi march, 1/6th of the town’s population were Holocaust survivors.

No matter how wicked, “Freedom of speech must be defended even when the beneficiaries of that defense are far from admirable individuals.

But the big difference is that the Jews of Skokie and elsewhere were not known to riot and murder at the drop of a hat as is the current Muslim population throughout the world.

What’s happening in Dearborn, Michigan this weekend is very important. One law will come out on top: the US Constitution, or Muslim Sharia. Which one will triumph this Easter?

Detroit News: Jury to decide if pastor can protest at Dearborn mosque

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20 responses to “Michigan Judge: Fear of Muslim violence in Dearborn trumps U.S. Constitution

  1. True to Form

    This morning I remarked to a friend that traffic at BFP was quite low while traffic to Barbados Underground was at normal high levels. I also told her that BFP would be putting up some story about Muslims because that was a sure way to get some traffic. You know how narcissistic BFP likes to claim they attract large numbers of hits. I wonder why Underground gets all the comments on their stories though. And I also bet her that when the inevitable Muslim story came out and I commented from a proxy server that my comment would likely not be published. So much for the touted free speech at BFP. Well maybe this time they will publish it to show how much they love free speech.

  2. Happy to say that our values are different

    Thank goodness that BFP runs the truth about Islamic Sharia law and culture because no one else does on Bim. As far as Underground goes I like them too but it’s always the same ten or fifteen people sitting around having the same circle jerk. Many comments from the same people at BU doesn’t show lots of traffic. Alexis ranks BFP at triple the visitors of BU and they don’t lie. BU have their favorite topics and free press has theirs. I like them both but I appreciate free press and they sound the warning on Sharia.

    Women are nothing under Sharia. The latest proof: Overcrowded Libyan refuge boats are leaving with mixed loads and arriving with only men. They are throwing the women overboard when the situation gets tense.

    http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/2011/04/05/01003-20110405ARTFIG00744–vintimille-un-sangatte-entre-france-et-italie.php

    All exclusively young men, rather poor and rarely speaking, tell the same story. As Tarek, 20, left there twenty days of Kairouan. “We were packed in 150 in a boat designed for 60, says the boy. During the trip to Lampedusa, twelve girls were thrown into the sea Then I was transferred to Sicily, I escaped and took the train. But now I have no money, so tonight I’m going too the beach.

  3. Muhjesbud

    Chris Matthews, as well as others, also got it wrong today. Chris said that the concern is that this Qu’ran burning minister from Florida, “who caused 20 people to die in Afghanitstan” will cause similar problems in Dearborn.

    Jones has just as much right to voice his public opinion as Flagburners, and protestors at soldier’s funerals, and the above distasteful, but legal 1st amendment rights.

    As Jones’ real point seems to be missed, the proof of his message is already manifested. The problem is with the fanatical criminal element of Islamist extremism. Not the content of one’s right to express themselves according to the Constitution. Jones didn’t ’cause’ 20 people to die. Delusional criminal Extremists Did! This form of mental illness is obviously contageous. Because the Dearborn government and judicial system seems to have caught it. We need a vaccination program immediately.

  4. watch

    on youtube watch “what the west needs to know about islam” it is about 1 hour long broken up into parts. do not be ignorant about these issues nor let anyone fool you.

  5. DAVID CHARBONNEAU

    YOUR JUDGE WHO IS IN FEAR OF MUSLIM VIOLENCE IS A DAMNED COWARD WHO WONT STAND UP TO THE EVIL SATANIC MUSLIMS THAT THE EVIL MUSLIM OBAMA IS BUDDYS WITH- THE ABSOLUTE ILLEGFAL DICTATOR OF THE USED TO BE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA- THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE COMPLETE COWARDS-BEING BROUGHT TO YOUR KNEES – WHERE ARE ALL MY VIETNAM ERA VETERAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS- ONES OF THE PAST AMERICA- WE FOUGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY SO GET OFF OF YOUR DEAD ASSES AND STAND UP AND FIGHT WITH THE FIGHT YOU HAD IN YOU THEN- WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU … THE PEOPLE AFRAID OF????? RISE UP NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OR BE DETROYED FOREVER AND LET THEM KILL YOUR CHILDREN AND THE POLICE BEAT YOU- NO FIGHT THE POLICE BACK- THE LAW STATES PEOPLE THAT IF YOU ARE IN FEAR OF YOUR LIFE FOM A COP AND YOU KNOWING YOU HAVE DONE NO CRIME-YOU HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO DEFEND YOURSELF BY ANY MEANS INCLUDING KILLING THAT BEAST COP-BULLY CORRUPT GANGLAND HIRED GUN CRIMINAL WHO IS AS THE BROWNSHIRTS WERE TO HITLERS REGIME- WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU AMERICA- GET YOUR PEOPLE TOGETHER AND RISE UP AGAINST THIS RISING COMMUNIST REGIME!!!!!!! WAKE THE HELL UP -STOP CRYING SOLDIERS AND FINISH THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  6. http://bit.ly/dShgVB “‘Pastor’ Terry Jones: American Traitor”

    let’s face facts:

    (1) we invaded Afghanistan and we’ve occupied Afghanistan for years now. a lot of the population hates us just for that. every invader up to and including Alexander the Great has regretted that decision. we’re in the process of learning it. after all, how would you feel if the US was invaded and occupied for a decade?

    (2) we can barely perform an air strike that doesn’t kill innocents. if we had an airstrike on the Moon or the Sun, we’d probably kill innocents somewhere. that’s also fact. how would you feel if our occupiers killed American innocents by airstrikes or other means?

    (3) the world has only just come to realize what Afghans have known for some time: some of the occupiers have killed Afghans for sport, taking trophies, as in the worst days of the Vietnam Era. how would you feel to know that murdered Americans were desecrated in that manner?

    (4) the majority of Afghans want us out, including Karzai. we act in ignorance of Afghan culture, which hurts our efforts. some time back, Karzai was exasperated enough to half-threaten joining the Taliban because Allied demands were so pronounced and out of line with Afghan ways. Karzai has little or no control outside the cities, and many of the Allied efforts have done little to increase Afghan governmental influence beyond the cities.
    added to that is the unspoken assumption that we are trying to make them over into something we want, which is inherently wrong. their way is going to have to be an Afghan way, regardless of our wishes; and we cannot impose our will. however, pundits still talk of our efforts to ‘save Afghans from themselves’, which is offensive in itself.

    (this does not take into account the corruption in the Afghan government, including Karzai’s; that’s a separate matter.)

    (5) many or most of us grew up in a secular society, predominantly influenced by Christianity. the Constitution guarantees freedom of speech and religion (Dick Barton, our own fundamentalists, Dominionists and Reconstructionists to the contrary). Afghanistan is historically and culturally without these things. a Constitution cannot be accepted and imposed, with immediate results expected. it takes time, sometimes generations, creating a democratic republic, let alone any type of democracy.

    (6) as i understand it, in many Muslim (Sunni) societies, the government functions as a representative of Allah, and sharia law is often the case. yet sharia differs from one Muslim country to another: THERE IS NO UNIFORMITY IN DEFINITION. Southeast Asian sharia is not the same as African sharia; neither is MidEast sharia. geographical, cultural and historical factors will indicate the type of sharia to be followed, as will the inclusion/rejection of hadiths. this is much like the evolution of any religion, including Christianity, as it spreads its influence over time.

    even if not a direct theocracy, religion is interwoven with politics in ways beyond our own, more secular forms.

    (7) Afghanistan is primarily tribal, moreso than Iraq or other countries. they are very conservative. they hold on to old, accepted and trusted ways, which aren’t necessarily our own. there are even instances where tribal law is favored over sharia or Islamic law. as such, they’ll take a hard line to what they’d consider blasphemous or idolatrous.

    (8) Terry Jones was repeatedly warned back in September of 2010 not to proceed with the Koran burning. among the people who warned him were General Petraeus and SecDef Robert Gates. he promised not to do so. however, he is a narcisstic sociopath. he wants attention, and he doesn’t care who gets hurt or killed, as long as his point is made.

    ” “It was intended to stir the pot; if you don’t shake the boat, everyone will stay in their complacency,” Mr. Jones said in an interview at his office in the Dove World Outreach Center. ”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/03/us/03burn.html?scp=3&sq=terry%20jones&st=cse

    (9) on March 20th, Jones carried out his mock trial and broadcast it over the internet, showing himself to also be a liar and a hypocrite, by going back on his assurances not to do so. the quote above shows that he did so precisely to provoke a response, although he had been warned it would endanger the lives of Americans, troops, and allies.

    the news was broadcast in foreign media, and finally made its way to Afghanistan. the response was predictable: rioting, followed by death. a UN compound was attacked and members killed (as well as Afghans). the next day, an American base was attacked by suicide bombers (which failed), endangering American troops. riots continue to the present moment.

    Jones is unrepentant. his action was the last straw, provoking a people who’d been increasingly frustrated over and over by the invaders within their midst. he set off this fire, yet (1) claims he isn’t to blame and (2) demands immediate action against Muslim nations.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/02/us/politics/02burn.html?scp=2&sq=terry%20jones&st=cse

    he helped create this horror, he blames the people he incited to violence, and he smugly sits as the center of attention again.

    Terry Jones, in my opinion, has committed treason against the United States. Article III, Section 3 of the US Constitution: “Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.”

    Terry Jones has given aid and comfort to the enemy, if that enemy is considered as the Taliban and/or al Qaeda. he’s given them propaganda–on video–that will last for years and years as a recruiting tool. he couldn’t have given them a better gift. that video can be used over and over and over to recruit new members, stifling any efforts by the US/NATO to the contrary. given the tribal culture of Afghanistan, it’s the gift that keeps giving, and Terry Jones gave it to our enemies.

    (in my opinion, Terry Jones is no different from our enemies. if our laws were lax enough, he’d behave exactly as they do.)

    terrorism works more efficiently through propaganda than through violence, especially these days. with computers and cell phones, videos can be made or altered to suit the purposes of terrorists and broadcast widely as a means of recruitment or intimidation. i have no doubt the Taliban and others will use Jones’ video for recruitment purposes.

    the influence of propaganda has been made visible in one nice little monograph: “YouTube War: Fighting in a World of Cameras in Every Cell Phone and Photoshop on Every Computer”

    http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/display.cfm?pubID=951

    moreover, unlike Julian Assange, we have direct proof that his actions have directly endangered Americans and their allies. this will also continue for some time to come. i believe he could also be prosecuted for that, as well, since he was specifically warned of the possible harm to our efforts if he proceeded to hold his mock trial and burn a Koran. he was warned from the highest levels of the United States Government.

    (as an aside, this is probably an additional propaganda tool in Karzai’s efforts to get the coalition out of Afghanistan. he’s been having trouble getting the mercenaries out, too.)

    Terry Jones has probably set back any ongoing efforts of the US/NATO coalition for some time. they are now going to have to worry about the increased probability of attacks, no matter where they are. once-trusted friends or allies may no longer be so in the face of seeming American hypocrisy, and many efforts may have to be renegotiated or begun from scratch.

    Terry Jones is no different from the enemy we are fighting. he cares for his ego and his worldview; he cares nothing for this, country, anything or anyone else.

    some will cry out ‘freedom of speech’, yet it has been decided time and again that speech can be censored where it will cause harm to others. many if not most states have laws against speech that incite violence, and Jones, as he himself stated above, deliberately set out to provoke. Supreme Court decisions on that matter have been on the books for quite some time.

    no one is blameless in this matter, yet Terry Jones, as the instigator, bears the weight and the brunt of the guilt. it’s my belief that he should be brought up on federal charges, since he’s done more damage to the United States (via propaganda) than a terrorist attack in an American city. if found guilty, he should be imprisoned for (1) aiding the enemy and (2) endangering the lives of American troops.

  7. Get your facts right

    1st of all to bfp wat happen dat yall had to update this one . Not enough attention ?

    And secondly to david .
    Obama int no muslim . Just by him family being one dont mean that he have to be one .
    And calling muslims satanic it is the leaders today (freemasons ) who are the real satanic ones and that includes Christian obama .

  8. I have a response awaiting – too democratic?

  9. BFP

    But Ian, should the Constitutional right to freedom of speech be put aside because one group of people in Dearborn might react by breaking the law?

    Is it okay then to criticize Christians and Jews because they don’t react violently, but not Muslims who, it is feared, will react violently in Michigan? What do you think about that core issue, Ian? Should the Constitution be put aside for that one religious group who, it is feared, will not abide by the laws against violence?

  10. Ignoring the troll who’s doing false posts, if you know you have a member of your community who gets into a suicidal rage if you say ORANGE then if you can only use the colour’s word when necessary, why not limit it? For the sake of the whole community? Yes, Freedom has limits and until you can redress the other problems which make that member disagreeable, avoid using the trigger to make them unhospitable for the whole community (Endangering many for the sake of a few? No way) – simple so.

  11. BFP

    Hi Ian,

    It’s not about “a member” of the Muslim community doing violence – if it was “a member” then why don’t they just arrest “the member” when they do violence? It’s about the Constitution and a large minority controlling the debate by doing violence whenever the debate goes against them – while they reserve the right for only them to communicate their message. Or there will be violence.

    Where does it stop? On the heals of the recent decision that the entire Muslim community in Dearborn is too violent to allow American standards of free speech that operate in the rest of the country, Detroit has applied to take down the bus sign campaign that offers women a number to call if they need shelter because they want to leave Islam safely.

    Next it will be the underwear ads that so offend Muslim Sharia values. Or maybe the underwear ads will take some time to get to. In Britain a pub was forced to take down a sign that had a pig on it because it offended local Muslims who had built a new mosque in the area. The pig pub sign had been there in one form or another for over a hundred years.

    Had to take down the sign though OR THERE WOULD BE VIOLENCE.

    When you going to make a stand, Ian? Never? Or only when they come for you?

    Frankly, I find it difficult to believe that you, as a journalist, would agree that society must surrender to threats of violence to curb free speech, rather than prosecute those who do the violence.

    You and your pets were targeted with threats of violence because of what you wrote. Why should your words be so much more protected than some guy from Florida, Ian?

  12. BFP

    And bye the bye Ian. We’ve written three nice positive things about three Muslims as per your request. When can we expect your promised cartoon showing Mohammed as you showed Jesus?

  13. Son Of Spam

    Ian has no cartoon of Jesus on his site now, must have disappeared along with your failed promise to do a story on money laundering and Barbados?

  14. Green Monkey King

    What three positive stories on Islam? Who? Not Free Press? LOLOLOL

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  16. Robert Spencer

    “To restrict Jones’ right to protest in front of a mosque is to send the signal that violent intimidation works, and that those who killed people in Afghanistan because of Jones’ Koran-burning have achieved their ultimate goal: to make Islam immune from criticism because every potential critic will be afraid to speak out.

    That is the road to tyranny. And now we have embarked on it.”

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  19. Terry Bowles

    If it is not the Obama Adminastration tearing the hell out of oit constitution. There is always some lefty liberal trying to do this. They had to know that our constitution was basically wrote in part to our Christian beliefs. I f they do not like it then send them the hell back where they come from. I am truely sick and tired of The United States always thinking as CHRISTIANS THAT WE OR SOME PEOPLE.THINK THAT WE NEED TO KICK OTHER RELIGIONS ASSES…I took an oathe to defend the constitution and THE UNTIED STATES OF AMERICA against all enimies foriegn and domestic….Look what the HELL England is going thru..Send these peple back to where they came from…AMERICA U NEED TO WAKE UP….GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

  20. Teri

    Hell yea Terry Bowles! I am sick of the crap in Dearborn! This is our country, Send these murderous bastards back where they come from! They are here breaking our laws and useing intimidation to try to terorise us into changing our constitution for their lawless asses! I dont think so! It is high time that our government wakes up to the fact that we are Americans first!