Ground Zero Mosque nothing more than Rubbing Salt in the Wound

For Edward from Brooklyn

“The kind of Muslims I wouldn’t mind building a mosque at Ground Zero (and there’s lots of them) would NEVER EVEN DREAM of building of mosque there.”

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72 responses to “Ground Zero Mosque nothing more than Rubbing Salt in the Wound

  1. TWWIFOS

    Redneck Geeks.

  2. What will they think of next

    Muslims go ahead and build your mosque. It is a free country.

  3. who me?

    This is getting scary, the Mosque is two blocks from Ground Zero. The US general feeling towards Muslims is beginning to look alot like 1930’s Germany.

  4. BFP

    ACTUALLY who me?

    1. The Ground Zero Mosque is 600 feet from where the WTC stood.
    2/ The Burlington Coat Factory (that they want to tear down to build an 11 story mosque) was damaged in the 9/11 attacks by the landing gear of one of the aircraft. Further, body parts rained down on the building and surrounding area… meaning that it IS Ground Zero.
    3/ Germany actually worked hand in hand with Muslims as they shared common goals of eliminating the Jews. Several SS Divisions including one of the famed killing battalions were staffed with Muslim volunteers. You can confirm this and see photos at http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/auschwitz-blueprints/ and many other places.

  5. TWWIFOS

    You guys sounds like the king of the geeks “Newt Gingrich”.

    These are the same raciest pinheads who didn’t want “you colored folks” sitting at the same lunch counter with them not so long ago. How many people of color did you see in all those images? Not many. How quickly we forget.

    I guess you also forgot about all the Muslims that were killed on 9/11 too. Or the ones that are fighting in the military.

    Your hate filled raciest rhetoric is not fooling most Bajans – any anyone else that has the capacity to think for themselves.

  6. 162

    WAIT til Kensington New Road ready for yall.
    DEN wunnuh gyne see light

  7. yatinkiteasy

    Someone is proposing to establish a gay Bar right next to the new Mosque, catering especially to Homosexual Muslims. Should be interesting.
    http://www.dailygut.com/?i=4696

  8. Green Monkey

    GORDON DUFF: POLITICS, RELIGION AND THE MILITARY, A RECIPE FOR DISASTER

    By Gordon Duff (USMC Vietnam vet)

    A dozen American soldiers are under arrest, five for murder, in crimes that we may never know the full extent of. The accusations, killing for sport, collecting fingers as trophies, is “meat” for the media. It will sell papers, it will bring TV viewers and, combined with the threatened Koran burning and the “hatefest” over the Manhattan Islamic Center, everything imaginable is being done to make certain that terrorism is alive and well and aimed at the United States.

    The Koran burning is cancelled but we can’t undo the murders, not this set, not the last nor the decade long nightmare beginning, not with 9/11 but the election of George W. Bush, or more honestly, Dick Cheney.

    snip

    Yesterday, America was panicked because two minor religious leaders have publicly planned to desecrate a Koran. Similar leaders had been burning American flags at the funerals of soldiers fallen in battle. Were Bush still in office, these two manics would be having lunch at the White House.

    Secretary Rumsfeld would have named them honorary military chaplains.

    Today, five Americans are under arrest as serial killers in uniform. They and their friends and who knows how many others have been hunting the people of Afghanistan for sport, killing them like animals and taking trophies, or so the representatives of the military justice system allege.

    Anyone paying attention for the past decade should know. All these five Americans, five or a hundred and five or a thousand and five have done is exactly what they were told to do. If you can torture, you can kill. If you can kidnap, you can kill. If rape is “interrogation” can murder be wrong?

    Who do we blame? We blame the Commander in Chief. He knew what he had inherited, a sick and dysfunctional institution of bottom-feeders, fanatics and fools, morally bankrupt cowards and bullies hiding behind a uniform and a bible.

    We all knew it, every one of us.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/09/09/gordon-duff-american-hate-military-death-squad-arrested/

  9. BFP

    Hello Green Monkey,

    They will be tried, and if found guilty will probably be executed – the first in a long time. All Americans would be ashamed of such crimes by those in uniform.

    Contrast that with the hundreds of millions of Islamic Supremacists who celebrate mass murder in the name of Allah wherever and whenever it happens on a daily basis.

  10. Mobert

    @GM’Who do we blame? We blame the Commander in Chief.’

    Yuh doan like Obama at al, at all.

    Wuh he do tuh you?

    Blamce gim for inherited lunacy?

    No way, even if you doan like him.

  11. who me?

    BFP,

    Okay then should we say 1000 feet?
    10,000 feet?
    100 miles?
    How big a zone should we say that the first amendment of the US constitution does not apply?

    What about the pre existing Mosque four blocks away (1200 feet) ?

    What about the fact that the building is already used for daily prayer 4 days a week by Muslims? (and has been for some time)

    The point of my comparison to 1930’s Germany was to point out the parallels between the attitudes to Jews in the years prior to the Holocaust and the disturbing similarities being echoed today with Muslim taxi drivers being attacked and political figures making false statements to demagogue the issue.

    You appear to be saying “Well Muslims participated in the Holocaust so whatever they get now is due to them”. If there was ever a time in history to be reminded why the Isrealis say “Never Again” it is now.

  12. TWWIFOS

    Right on Who Me! Call them out.

    Yeah, and the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor – now they are one of our closest allies. German’s too!

  13. What will they think of next

    You are always worried about jews. I wished that concern extended to the many black germans were also killed in the concentration camps. To this day not a single black german survivor of the concentration camps has ever, ever been compensated by the german government or any one else. To add insult to injury many black survivor of the concentration were rounded up by allied forces, put on trial and executed! Think about that! What the nazis failed to do the “liberating” armies did. All this crap about suffering jews just makes me sick to my stomach.

  14. What will they think of next

    By the way why would a Bajan care if a mosque is placed next to ground zero or not?

    Nothing is in it for us!

  15. Green Monkey

    There is a lot of manipulation going on here behind the scenes with this Mosque issue. Remember how all the well attended peace marches and rallies prior to the build up to the Iraq invasion were mostly by and large ignored and/or downplayed by the mainstream media, as they concentrated on regurgitating all the pro-war propaganda iussuing forth from the Bush/Blair/Cheney/neocon gang.

    And as it turned, out the peaceniks were right all along re. the bogus nature of Bush/Blair and the neocons’ “Saddam has WMDs and is itching to use them on us loving, peaceful folks” excuse for launching the invasion that lead ultimately to the deaths of up to 1 million Iraqis and the creation of 4 million Iraqi refugees.

    In contrast, this Mosque issue gets all the media airplay, column inches and talking head spouting off necessary to keep the issue alive and burning on the front burner so to speak. Hmm, what could be going on here?

    Untangling the Bizarre CIA Links to the Ground Zero Mosque

    By Mark Ames

    So far, the debate over the proposed Islamic center near Ground Zero has unfolded along predictable lines, with the man at the center of the project, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, drawing attacks from the right painting him as a terrorist sympathizer with ties to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.

    But meanwhile, links between the group behind the controversial mosque, the CIA and U.S. military establishment have gone unacknowledged.

    For instance, one of the earliest backers of the nonprofit group, the Cordoba Initiative, that is spearheading the Ground Zero mosque, is a 52-year-old Scarsdale, New York, native named R. Leslie Deak. In addition to serving on the group’s board of advisors since its founding in 2004 by Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, Deak was its principal funder, donating $98,000 to the nonprofit between 2006 and 2008. This figure appears to represent organization’s total operating budget—though, oddly, the group reported receipts of just a third of that total during the same time period.

    snip

    So, to recap: From 2006 to 2008, R. Leslie Deak worked as a “business consultant” to this super-secretive security contractor with ties to the CIA and counterterrorism forces, and in those same three years he also donated nearly $100,000 in seed money to the foundation now advocating the construction of the so-called Ground Zero Mosque.

    Interestingly, during the same three-year period during which the Deak Family Foundation was financing the Cordoba Initiative, Deak also donated a total of $101,247 to something called the National Defense University Foundation. The National Defense University is a network of war and strategy colleges and research centers (including the National War College) funded by the Pentagon, designed to train specialists in military strategy. The organization recently announced a November 5 dinner gala in honor of Defense Secretary and former CIA chief Robert Gates. Sponsors include Northrup Grumman, Boeing, Lockheed Martin and…the Patriot Defense Group.

    http://www.observer.com/2010/politics/untangling-new-intrigue-behind-ground-zero-mosque

    Methinks somebody (or bodies) is playing you like a fine Stradivarius BFP.

  16. who me?

    WWTTON

    perhaps I should use an example of Rwanda then? Or Serbia? Cambodia?

  17. TWWIFOS

    Bajans should care. Everyone should care. The “us against them” mentality can easily spread down here. That’s one reason why I’m speaking out strongly against these posts.

    As I said in another post…….

    Luckily the over reaction and paranoia that has taken place in the US since 9/11 has not quite made it’s way to Barbados (yet). Yes, we have our share of issues, but to me it seems that whatever your faith is, we generally all get along pretty well. I’m always glad when my plane touches down at Grantley Adams after I return home from a trip to the US. Somehow I feel that I’ve escaped the madness!

    For now.

  18. Green Monkey

    Hi BFP, could you please release my most recent comment on this thread being held for moderation.

    Thanks
    GM

  19. reality check

    While much of what BFP says about Islam and the Muslim world is true, the cleric that runs this Mosque appears to a moderate and is heavily involved in inter faith activities.

    While I agree it is insensitive and in bad faith to build it within 1000 feet , The World Trade Centre will be rebuilt as will this Mosque.

    Its time to give this story a rest.

    Mobert

    The US has been blessed with Obama and his team and I can only wish them well in their next endeavours to help create jobs at the small business level.

    As with most mid term Presidents he may pay a penalty for the unemployment discontent but he is the only President, in living memory, to have done so much of what he promised in such a short time.

  20. BFP

    Hi TWWIFOS

    We’re still waiting for a Muslim, any Muslim, to accept our invitation to declare that Muslim apostates should not be killed. Such a simple request almost two years ago and since then has produced many long diatribes touching all around the main question, but so far none of the Muslims who have left comments at Barbados Free Press have said “No. Muslim apostates should not be killed.”

    Interesting, isn’t it?

  21. A Muslim

    It is useless to argue with ignorant people. especially bigots.

  22. A Muslim aka Going North

    OK I will say it,” No . Muslim apostates should not be killed”.
    Now you will tell me that the Quran and Hadith say that they should be killed. There is NO verse in the Quran that says apostates should be killed. Although they are Hadiths, you have to see it in the context it was written. These hadiths were mainly dealing with the subject treason and rebellion.
    Treason and rebellion is NOT the same as apostasy.
    I know these quotes will never see the light of day on this blog, so I will post them for you :-
    1. A bedouin gave the Pledge of allegiance to Allah’s Apostle for Islam. Then the bedouin got fever at Medina, came to Allah’s Apostle and said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Cancel my Pledge,” But Allah’s Apostle refused. Then he came to him (again) and said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Cancel my Pledge.” But the Prophet refused Then he came to him (again) and said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Cancel my Pledge.” But the Prophet refused. The bedouin finally went out (of Medina) whereupon Allah’s Apostle said, “Medina is like a pair of bellows (furnace): It expels its impurities and brightens and clears its good. [Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 9, #318]
    Now this was an open case of apostasy. But the Prophet neither punished the Bedouin nor asked anyone to do it. He allowed him to leave Madina. Nobody harmed him.

    2. Hadrat Umar Ibn Abdul Aziz [d. 97 AH/720 AD]
    [popularly known as Umar II and regarded as part of the Khulafa-i-Rashidoon]
    Some people accepted Islam during the period of Umar bin Abdul Aziz, who is called the fifth rightful caliph of Islam. All these people renounced Islam sometimes later. Maimoon bin Mahran the governor of the area wrote to the caliph about these people. In reply Umar bin Abdul Aziz ordered him to release those people and asked him to re-impose jizya on them.

    3.Sufyan al-Thawri [d. 161 AH]
    [known as ‘the prince of the believers concerning Hadith’ (amir al-mu’minin fi’l-Hadith) and is the author of two important compilations of Hadith, namely al-Jami’ al-Kabir, and al-Jami’ al- Saghir]
    According to al-Thawri,an apostate should be re-invited to Islam, but should never be condemned to death. [He] maintained the view that the invitation should continue for as long as there is hope that the apostate might change his mind and repent. [cited in Kamali]

    If you want more references, let me know. I have plenty more.
    By the way , besides S.Arabia and probrably north Nigeria , they are no Islamic courts(to hand down such a verdict) in the 62 muslim majority countries in the world.
    Get wid it BFP. Muslims are here to stay. They make up 23% of the world’s population.

    Can you imagine , Bfp, you post a topic dealing with 11/9 mosqe ground zero blahblah and now you diverting to a totally different topic. Shifting the goal post as usual.

  23. Need glasses

    There you go BFP. An anonymous muslim finally said that no muslim apostates should be killed. It took three years but a Muslim finally said it. One.

    I look forward to hearing the same from a Muslim who dares to say it with his or her own name.

    I look forward to the murders, executions and threats against Muslim apostates to stop immediately.

    Aside to “A Muslim aka Going North”: a few truthful Muslims have come out in public that the 9/11 Mosque will be seen by the majority of Muslims as a victory monument and another step in achieving Islam’s goal of world domination. Those muslims who spoke the truth received death threats. Naturally.

  24. Need glasses

    Small point BFP. The Muslim said he’d “say it” but does he really believe it?

    Don’t forget the Islamic religious doctrine of taqiyya that commands and authorizes deception to advance Islam and sharia.

  25. Need glasses

    Here is a well researched article on taqiyya by a reputable expert: Raymond Ibrahim, Jane’s Islamic Affairs Analyst

    http://www.meforum.org/2095/islams-doctrines-of-deception

  26. ninemikemike

    A Muslim……“It is useless to argue with ignorant people. especially bigots.”

    This well describes the average muslim, and why the civilised world are beating their heads against the wall in trying to reason with stone-age barbarians.

  27. who me?

    This shows the motivation of this article….

    BFP

    “We’re still waiting for a Muslim, any Muslim, to accept our invitation to declare that Muslim apostates should not be killed. ”

    A Muslim aka Going North

    “OK I will say it,” No . Muslim apostates should not be killed”.”

    Need glasses

    “”There you go BFP. An anonymous muslim finally said that no muslim apostates should be killed. It took three years but a Muslim finally said it. One.

    I look forward to hearing the same from a Muslim who dares to say it with his or her own name.”

    …..

    Small point BFP. The Muslim said he’d “say it” but does he really believe it?”

    The irony of an anonymous poster calling on someone else to use their own name is overwhelming and in the first response after the Muslim’s comment we see why no one bothers. “Yes you say it but do you believe it?”

    By the logic exhibited here all Christians could be equated with the madmen that murder abortion doctors in the US.

    This is a very slippery slope…..

  28. Me

    162, obviously these people here doesnt have a clue what you are talking about… they need to visit europe where muslims are now 20%-30% and when they cant get their own way its freaking trouble… and obviously they never seen the videos on youtube about muslims protesting in london, denmark and so on…. anyway, they are silent in barbados until their %rate increases, for right now, it would be stupid for them to make noise…

  29. equivalence?

    I read here at bfp or somewheres else and I agree with it. It goes something like,

    “When crazed nuns or evangelical ministers highjack airplanes full of families on their way to visit grandma and murder them by flying into tall buildings, I’ll buy into the equivalence argument.

    Until then everything I need to know about Islam I learned on nine eleven.”

    The words might be off but the truth is there.

  30. equivalence?

    On a follow up to the question of a Muslim saying that apostates should not be killed, I’ve searched all over the internet and I can’t find any Muslim spokesperson or Muslim preacher saying that apostates should not be killed. Did I miss any?

    I see lots of em saying that apostates should be killed and lots of muslim apostates that have been killed but I can’t find one Imam saying not to kill apostates.

    Not a one. Can someone find a few?

  31. ninemikemike

    Well said equivalence? – even if you did find one, they would be practicing taqiyya, the art of lying to fool the infidels, as recommended by the Koran.

    Never trust them, always watch them.

    Never forget, never forgive…

    http://www.thedissidentfrogman.com/blog/link/september-11-2010-the-ashes-of-the-battleground/

  32. ninemikemike

    reality check….

    “The US has been blessed with Obama and his team……”

    You really do need a reality check if you believe that! Obama is the biggest disaster ever to befall America – and the free world.

  33. AL

    Yesterday evening, Sept. 11th, I posted here (inclusive of links) which I have not seen but yet there are comments from today. Is there some problem (I did not slander anyone or use abusive/obscene language)?

  34. TWWIFOS

    BFP: You can keep pushing this if you wish, but eventually the forces of inclusion will defeat the forces of intolerance.

    It’s also hard to have a real discussion with you about this since you keep changing the subject to the leaving Islam = killing. Like I have already said, “Don’t believe everything you read in a religious book”. I don’t think most peaceful muslims believe this any more then most Christians take literally a lot of stuff in the bible.

    I believe that “one” reason why this issue has exploded in the way it has is due to the current bad economic climate. During tough times people are looking to blame someone – similar to what happened in Germany during the 1930’s. Things were not this bad for over eight years following 9/11. Remember, the “mosque” story was on the front page of the NY Times back in December and no one had anything to say about it. That was until May when some immoral politicians and so called “journalists” decided it would be in their best interest to make this an issue.

    I’ll say one last thing. If you really love Barbados as much as you guys claim that you do (and I believe you do), then you should think long and hard about these posts. As I said before, I don’t want the madness to spread down here. I don’t think you do either. If it does, then you may very well have had something to do with it.

    Your already seeing evidence of this with the raciest posters in this thread. I won’t name names. You know who you are.

  35. ninemikemike

    “During tough times people are looking to blame someone – similar to what happened in Germany during the 1930′s. “

    What specious BS!! Next you will be telling us how these kindly folk of the ‘religion of peace’ have been cruelly treated by the Jews, and only kill people to draw attention to their terrible plight.

    The only similarity to the 1930s is the terrible toll appeasement of these barbarians is taking on the civilised world.

  36. TWWIFOS

    “The only similarity to the 1930s is the terrible toll appeasement of these barbarians is taking on the civilised world”.

    I rest my case. :-}

  37. Reasonable man

    Twwifos says “eventually the forces of inclusion will defeat the forces of intolerance.”

    Unfortunately the “forces of inclusion” he’s talking about are forced conversion of non-muslims under pain of death as is happening in so many countries and his desire for the imposition of Sharia law upon western societies.

    He tries to argue like a rational person while his co-religionists murder and threaten non-muslims to advance Islam every fucking day.

    Excuse my French.

  38. ninemikemike

    What happened BFP ?

  39. ninemikemike

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/09/12/assailants-stab-beat-christian-worshippers-outside-indonesias-capital/?test=latestnews
    Christians Stabbed, Beaten With Plank Near Indonesia’s Capital
    Assailants stabbed a Christian worshipper in the stomach and pounded a minister in the head with a wooden plank as they headed to morning prayers Sunday outside Indonesia’s capital.
    ——————————–

    Stand back, everybody! Prepare yourselves for the massive outpouring of sympathy and outrage from Muslims all over the world!

  40. 113

    ninemikemike

    “You really do need a reality check if you believe that! Obama is the biggest disaster ever to befall America – and the free world.”

    No, the biggest disaster was giving a Bush term thus allowing congress to spend trillions of dollars on wars that the U.S cannot win and will not win. No parades. I sure haven’t seen Johnny come marching home lately.

    Now how is Obama a disaster? It is because he talks peace rather than war.

    The next election you will probably get the “white guy” back in the seat. I hope is it is one bad ass, ignorant, republican. Somebody so far right the people will be begging for mercy. Maybe this fellow will bring back the draft. Because if you want to fight you have better be prepared to give something up.

    The extremists also want a republican. It is so damn easy to provoke a republican.

  41. ninemikemike

    “The extremists also want a republican”

    The extremists need a Republican to kick their stone-age asses back into the caves where they belong.

  42. 113

    A republican will always fall for the bait. After all, don’t most republicans want to be like Ronald Reagan. Reagan, the post Vietnam war President to kick some ass.

    I ‘ll bet you that deep down that some republicans envy some of those stone age ideals the extremists cling to.

  43. runner

    This a double post as i used on the steven biko topic as i felt it underlines the blatant racism that motivates some people and the cruel double standard that some are indulging for their own purposes on this topic. let the characters come out of their holes.

    Peter Gabriel ‘s great song “Biko” .

    But here is where we are at , just april this year :

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1264753/Funeral-Eugene-Terreblanche-takes-place-amid-tight-security.html#ixzz0kvBLF30a

    and look at this : from BFP’s good friend Pamela Geller as they made the 9/11 connection:
    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/04/white-genocide-in-south-africa.html

    some shameless people

  44. Neutral

    The following if from a quick read on WIKIPEDIA. Interesting to note that, even if not applicable today, not too long ago persons found guilty of treason were given the death penalty. So not too long ago, humans were so barbaric and cruel that if you go against the King, Ruler or Country you had to be put to death! Man has the power to determine who he will put to death and for what reasons. But thats accepted, its OK.

    USA
    Therefore the United States Code at 18 U.S.C. § 2381 states “whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall SUFFER DEATH, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.” The requirement of testimony of two witnesses was inherited from the British Treason Act 1695.

    England
    The penalty for treason was changed from DEATH to a maximum of imprisonment for life in 1998 under the Crime And Disorder Act. [7] Before 1998, the DEATH PENALTY was MANDATORY, subject to the royal prerogative of mercy. Since the abolition of the death penalty for murder in 1965 an execution for treason was unlikely to be carried out.

    Ireland
    The Treason Act 1939 gave legislative effect to Article 39, and provided for the imposition of the death penalty on persons convicted of committing treason within the state and on citizens convicted of committing treason against Ireland outside of the state. The Act also created the ancillary offences of encouraging, harbouring and comforting persons guilty of treason, and the offence of misprision of treason. No person has been charged under this Act. The Criminal Justice Act 1990 removed the death penalty for treason, setting the punishment at life imprisonment, with parole in not less than forty years. [3] For other offences against national security, see the Offences against the State Acts 1939–1998.

    Brazil
    According to Brazilian law, treason is the crime of disloyalty by a citizen to the Federal Republic of Brazil, applying to combatants of the Brazilian military forces. Treason during warfare is the only crime for which a person can be sentenced to death (see capital punishment in Brazil).

  45. taqiya

    BTW Taqiya is practiced by shias. Who wouldnt lie to save themselves in war or when someone is trying to kill you. Thats not taqiya as practiced by shia who are minority.

    In the Old Testament:

    Deuteronomy 13:6-9 “If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people.”

    Deuteronomy 17:3-5 “And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, …..and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die.”

    Chronicles 15:13 “All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.”

    Let us look at what JESUS said in the New Testament in context:

    Matthew 15:1-9
    1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!” 3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ 5 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,’ 6 he is not to ‘honor his father’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:8 ” ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'”

    Paul:
    Let us look at Romans 1:20-32 (from the New Testament) “20.   For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature–have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.  21.  For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22.  Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools  23.  and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. 24.  Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25.  They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator–who is forever praised. Amen. 26.  Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27.  In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another.  Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28.  Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29.  They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30.  slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31.  they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32.  Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.”

       Also psychics must be put to death.  Let us look at Leviticus 20:27 “And as for a man or woman in whom there proves to be a mediumistic spirit or spirit of prediction, they should be put to death without fail.  They should pelt them to death with stones.  Their own blood is upon them.”

    The above verses clearly show that the Bible doesn’t tolerate apostates.  Jesus did honor the Old Testament’s laws and ordered his followers to follow the Old Testament until the day of Judgment:

    “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.  I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished.  (Matthew 5:17-18)”

  46. A Muslim aka Going North

    Can you believe it ? I just did a search on Bfp for JEWS /Zionists , and I only came up with ONE, yes ONE post. (It was about Jews in Barbados)
    When the wars/violence of today’s world has something dealing directly or indirectly with the establishment of a Jewish/zionist state near Arab land , BFP has failed to post anything of merit on this subject. I wonder why. Makes me go hmmmmmm…

    Here’s a BFP link on something related to Jews :
    https://barbadosfreepress.wordpress.com/2007/04/25/should-barbados-allow-declared-nazis-party-to-immigrate-to-our-country/
    Bfp , are you really serious ?
    Good thing Bajans are smarter than you think.
    And I am a Bajan.

  47. ninemikemike

    A Muslim aka Going North (when are you leaving?)

    When Jews start flying planes into city skyscrapers, hijacking aircraft, beheading Arabs, stoning their women to death for the crime of being raped, mutilate their young girls, blow up trains, and murder and threaten anyone who mocks their belief system, I am sure BFP will give them due publicity.

    In the meantime, we watch the demented followers of the paedophile barbarian mohammed, misery be upon him, and await their next atrocity.

    You are right about one thing – Bajans are smarter than you think, and they have measure of the ‘religion of peace’, and its dangers.

    And I am a Bajan too.

  48. ninemikemike

    Have a look at these examples of peaceful islam, but be careful.

    http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2010/09/09/all-this-outrage-over-burning-a-quran-what-about-the-torture-slaughter-of-christians-by-muslims-all-around-the-world/#comments

    Where is the outrage from the moderate muslims? Their silence is deafening.

  49. runner

    @bfp… my comments still being moderated ?

  50. TWWIFOS

    Hey Mike,

    There is a little church in Gainsville, FL that would love to have you as a member! Why don’t you go up there to live? Or, put your money where your mouth is and you and your redneck buddies can organize a Quran burning down here. Then you can become an international star and leader of a movement of idiots. I’m sure that would go ever real well down here. :-}

  51. ninemikemike

    Hey TWWIFOS – so no comment on the little peccadilloes of the ‘religion of peace’ in the link above?

    Coward.

  52. TWWIFOS

    Call me whatever you like. I’ve given up long ago trying to argue with guys like you since whatever I say it will be twisted around to suit your own warped way of thinking.

    The main reason why I’ve spoken up against these posts is because I want BFP to think about “their own words” in the post about Owens raciest comments that “Words produce actions and consequences”.

    Amazes me how they can be so outraged about Owens raciest comments in one post and call Islam a “fascist cult” in another.

    THIS MADNESS MUST STAY OUT OF BARBADOS!

    Over & Out>

  53. reality check

    ninemikemike

    ” Obama is the biggest disaster ever to befall America – and the free world”

    compared to whom?

    Whats worse, spending trillions of Dollars to stimulate an economy to create jobs to avoid another Great Depression or ignore basic regulations and create Trillions of Dollars of completely phony asset backed security and derivatives for unscrupulous greedy Wall Street scum ( Banks, security companies and brokers )resulting in an almost complete collapse of the World Credit system?

    Under Clinton there were at least seven years of surpluses with the debt being paid down and the US Dollar was the strongest asset and safest place in the world to invest.

    Obama cannot reduce spending until jobs are created through small businesses as the Banks can simply lend their money to the US goverment in US securities and get their necessary spread. The mergers and acquisitions that are going on now through the US Banking system will reduce competition and put people out of work. Small businesses have always been the backbone of a thriving and creative economy. This has to be Obama’s focus.

    I beg to differ.

    Bush Jr was the greatest disaster as a President in the past 80-100 years.

  54. A Muslim aka Going North

    @ Mike, I am more Bajan than you. Cos you know why, 95% of Bajans dont think like you. Ask me to prove it ? I does deal wid Bajans everyday.

    You will not drag me in to accusing Jews or Christians as to what crimes they commit, because although I am Muslim, I still respect them for their beliefs. I will not say all Catholics are child molesters, I will not say all Jews are Zionists .
    Muslims respect Jesus more than Jews do. We probrably respect Moses more than Christians do.Thats a shocker for you. For to deny the virgin birth of Jesus and to deny his return is tantamount to disbelief , or, as we are on the topic , to apostasy.

    I done ya hear, as I said before, I dont like to argue/debate with ignorant people,and you is one big ignoramus.

  55. Slap Happy

    Extremists exists in various forms.

    @ninemikemike do you know any muslims or only the bad one you read about in the news.?

  56. Bussa Goddard

    This anti-islamic vitriol from BFP saddens and disturbs me greatly particularly because it emanates from a medium with the name “Barbados” on it. This is not the Barbadian way and is certainly not in our interest to be have this hate-filled excretia coming from a purported Barbadian source.

  57. Ordinary Person

    “The controversy over the Ground Zero mosque should be over and yet it is raging more heatedly than ever. The New York political establishment has lined up solidly behind the mosque, and the mainstream media is busy telling the uninformed that anyone who opposes the mosque is an enemy of religious freedom, a bigot, a racist, and probably a torturer of cats to boot, unwelcome in the company of decent people.

    The only problem with this scenario is that the American people refuse to accept it—as illustrated by the thousands who attended the September 11 Rally of Remembrance against the Ground Zero mosque.

    (snip)

    There is an ever-widening gap between the goals and agenda of the political elites, and those of ordinary Americans. And Americans are becoming more aware of that widening gap.

    The smearing of the 70% of Americans who oppose the mega-mosque as racists and bigots reflects the increasing estrangement between the goals of the elites and those of American citizens who are being shunted aside, ridiculed and scorned.

    Left without a voice in the mainstream, their voices silenced and their positions misrespresented, these Americans are increasingly seeing that “objective” journalists are anything but. Government is no better: politicians hide their corruption and statism behind populist rhetoric, and even the most daringly politically incorrect pols dare not risk standing side-by-side with too many people thus tainted, whether that taint was obtained justly or unjustly.

    (snip)

    The rally and the ongoing controversy over the Ground Zero mosque show the weakness of the mainstream “politically correct” position. The mainstream media endlessly beats Americans over the head about the “moderate” Ground Zero mosque, and yet fewer people believe it than ever.

    It’s a sign of hope.”

    Robert Spencer of JihadWatch.org

  58. BFP

    Hello Bussa Goddard,

    Speaking for all of us who write and run BFP, I can tell you that we are not “anti-islamic”. We are anti-Islamist-Supremacist.

    There’s a difference, you know.

    Robert

  59. anne

    If Islam was a child in kindergarten the report card to the parents would say “Does not play well with others. Does not make friends easily. Does not share. Manners poor. Overly aggressive. Ability for proper socialization in serious doubt. Needs evaluation before streaming to next level.”

  60. TWWIFOS

    A little flip flopping BFP? Maybe we are finally starting to get though to you.

    When you call Islam a “fascist cult” – that’s anti-islamic.

    When you say that “most muslims were happy about 9/11” – without a shred of evidence to back it up – that’s anti-islamic.

    I could look up more of your most outrageous quotes, but I’ve got better things to do.

    All it would take is for one right wing nut down here to listen to you – similar to what that idiot in Florida was planning and you can kiss our entire tourism industry goodbye. Probably destroy the whole economy in about a week.

    In other words, “your” posts could do more damage to Barbados then the BLP & DLP combined. Is that what you guys want?

    “Words produce actions and consequences” – one of your quotes that actually makes some sense. Start practicing what you preach.

  61. runner

    well hello Robert Spencer, please extended greetings from Barbados to your good friends Aubrey and Joyce Chernick. People here are not as stupid as you think ..let bfp do what they need to do or think they need to do.

  62. 67

    ” By the way
    why would a Bajan care if a mosque is placed next to ground zero or not? -Nothing is in it for us!”
    ………………………….
    I’m SO glad to know that Barbados lives in splendid isolation
    and that nothing that happens in the USA affects us just six months later!
    LOL!
    Wunnuh women an girlfrenz gyne look goood in burka and chador
    but what do you care?
    You men will be wearing pajamas out in public, jes now!
    Doan say nein.

  63. 67

    The Jews may not be perfect like us Bajans
    but they are CONSIDERABLY more civilized than those who live around them!

    Israel has greened their bit of the desert.
    Have other Middle eastern countries achieved half that?

    The Jews are a bright and brainy people.
    They invent half the medical stuff we use every day in QEH to save Bajan lives! you dummies!!

    How much of that medical gear and technology was invented/designed by Iran?
    or by the thiefin Palestinians,
    who know best how to rain rockets down on neighbours?

    Given a choice between the Israelis/Jews and the yukky Arabs
    I’ll take the waaay-lesser of the evils every day.

    ___________________________
    Thank God I am a perfect Bajan.
    I can afford to be judgemental over others who provide for me daily.

  64. 67

    Bussa Goddard better wake up soon
    to the new global threat ..akin to Nazi-ism.
    (possibly worse..)

    The date on your calendar is 1931,see? -not 2010.
    We still have a few yrs. within which we can ignore and pretend.
    And then at the last minute launch a counter-effort.
    Just like last time!

    We are still basking in the glow of 1960’s and ’70s democratic idealism
    largely unaware of just how much 9/11 changed EVERYthing we once took for granted.

    Y’all think Pearl Harbour was something?
    Or Arch Cot?
    LOL at wunnuh ostriches!

  65. TWWIFOS

    “let bfp do what they need to do or think they need to do”.

    Yes, BFP can do whatever they thing is “best”. If you think that pushing a raciest point of view is good for our image around the world then let them continue. I don’t see how it “helps” us. It has the potential to do a lot of damage, real quick. Hate spreads like wildfire so don’t think it can’t happen here.

  66. 67 (Use one name only please - BFP editor)

    Here’s how it works:

    As long as the Muslim population in Bim remains
    around or under 2% in any given country,
    they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority,
    and not as a threat to other citizens.
    This is the case in:

    United States — Muslim 0.6%
    Australia — Muslim 1.5%
    Canada — Muslim 1.9%
    China — Muslim 1.8%
    Italy — Muslim 1.5%
    Norway — Muslim 1.8%

    At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups,
    often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.
    This is happening in:

    Denmark — Muslim 2%
    Germany — Muslim 3.7%
    United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
    Spain — Muslim 4%
    Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

    From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.
    For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food,
    thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims.
    They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves –
    – along with threats for failure to comply.
    This is occurring in:

    France — Muslim 8%
    Philippines — Muslim 5%
    Sweden — Muslim 5%
    Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
    The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
    TRINIDAD & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

    At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them
    to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law.
    The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

    When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase
    lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions.
    In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings.
    Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats,
    such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam.
    Such tensions are seen daily,
    particularly in Muslim sections in:

    GUYANA — Muslim 10%
    India — Muslim 13.4%
    Israel — Muslim 16%
    Kenya — Muslim 10%
    Russia — Muslim 15%

    After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations,
    sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues,
    such as in:

    Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

    At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks,
    and ongoing militia warfare,
    such as in:

    Bosnia — Muslim 40%
    Chad — Muslim 53.1%
    Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

    From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions
    (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide),
    use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels,
    such as in:

    Albania — Muslim 70%
    Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
    Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
    Sudan — Muslim 70%

    After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing,
    and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim,
    such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

    Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
    Egypt — Muslim 90%
    Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
    Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
    Iran — Muslim 98%
    Iraq — Muslim 97%
    Jordan — Muslim 92%
    Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
    Pakistan — Muslim 97%
    Palestine — Muslim 99%
    Syria — Muslim 90%
    Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
    Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
    United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

    100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace.
    Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim,
    the brainwashing Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word,
    such as in:

    Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
    Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
    Somalia — Muslim 100%
    Yemen — Muslim 100%

    Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, because in these 100% states
    the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred,
    and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

  67. A Muslim aka Going North

    @67 – yawn yawn. copy n pasting as usual.This isnt the 1st time you’ve done this you know.
    You are so laughfable(spelling?) , Albania, Qatar, Guyana ,wait, I aint see T+ T, and them is about 15%. what about Suriname? South Africa perhaps?stupse.

    @ anne – she obviously isnt bajan, doesnt live in Barbados or has never interacted with Muslims. This is the thing that gets me, people who are anti Islamic hardly have any contact with muslims.

    67, Dont mention Jews on this blog. That is a bad word. They are beyond criticism. I wonder how far they would have gotten without their sugar daddies. Even up to today , sugar daddy still looking after them instead of himself.

  68. runner

    @twwifos ..you misconstrued my comments on bfp.( and my post, i believe)Blogs like this have a reason to be;to carry out an agenda. Balance and rationale are not required.
    Characters like ninemike,(bfp’s “negroman”) is excusable but when you have characters like Robert Spencer blogging here then it is time to take notice because it exposes an external and properly coordinated connection that is well funded .(just check out the names i wrote in my earlier post).and you know how money moves around.

  69. Slap Happy

    The sure have some real “Muslimphiles “. Shoot, you know more about the Muslims that the Muslims know about themselves.

    Now what do you know about yourselves?

  70. ninemikemike

    A Muslim aka Going North feels about Jews in the same way I feel about muslims – the difference being he/she is in thrall to the ravings of a depraved barbarian paedophile so-called prophet, misery be upon him, while I am part of the civilised world that recognises the huge contributions the Jews have made to our civilisation, in arts, sciences and every field of human endeavour. The muslim world in general, and the Arabs in particular have contributed a movement back to stone-age standards, and nothing else. We love life – they love death and cling to the absurd belief that their ridiculous mohammed is going to provide his murderous martyrs with a mob-a-tun of virgins. Yeah, right – let me tell you about the tooth fairy and Father Christmas..

  71. ninemikemike aka Glenn Beck – man everytime I come back to this sorry site you are commenting on all the Muslim hate they post with an extreme amount of additional hate. You are just another extremists wearing a different hat. Thanks to people like you a Muslim Cab driver had his throat slit a few weeks ago.

    You and people like you make me sick. There is no way you are Bajan, and if you are there is no way you are black.

    Here is a link to your Jewish friends, or shall I say family discussing the lawfull killing of children. Does this make all Jews child killers, no. Have MANY children been killed by Jews, yes. Still, the majority of them are not going to be violent.

    Glenn, get your head out of your butt and go introduce yourself to some Muslims. You might learn a few things. If I was still in Barbados I would invite you and your wife (if anyone was dumb enough to marry you) to my house for dinner.

    Here are a couple of other trailers to documentaries and movies coming out:

    Fordson: About a Muslim American town in Michigan.

    Moozlum: A movie about the struggle of a Black Muslim family in America

    Here is a recent Sermon….check out how much “hate” is being taught to the Muslims community.
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hamza+yusuf+2010&aq=1

    Here is Jon Stewart telling you just how stupid you are:
    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-september-13-2010/islamophobiapalooza

    Lastly, to the BFP, who should be ashamed to have “Barbados” in their title. If you had any other intention other than to simply post another negative post about Islam, you would have known that this is a community center with a prayer area. I play Basketball in a Jewish community center with my Jewish, Athiest and Christian Friends. Do you even know what a community center is? Have you ever been to one?

    BFNP – Barbados Faux News Press – I’m surprised you guys havnt tried to organize a Quran burning event. Checkout the Jon Stewart clip above, you belong in this group. You have a responsibility to Barbados and to humans, stop being hateful.

    Lastly, to everyone else, just so you know this is just another political stunt. The US just made a deal with the Saudi’s for a $60 billion dollar weapons sale. No one is complaining?!? Why?! Because it’s a lot of money going to the U.S and will be creating 75,000 jobs.

    Hey Glenn! SQUIRELL!!! (Jon Stewart again)