Flags only, no signs at the 9/11 rally against the Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero

Above all, never give up. Never give in. Freedom forever.

The 9/11 rally organisers, Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer, respectfully request that those of you who will be attending the protest against the Ground Zero mega mosque bring American flags, not signs. 9 x 12 sized flags. Nothing with big poles: the NYPD won’t allow big poles. Please get the word out now.

Signs will be confiscated.

FLAGS. Tens of thousands of flags.

It is a solemn day. No signs. FLAGS. Tens of thousands of flags.

Please help meet the expenses of this massive undertaking. Americans can make a tax-deductible donation here. Supporters from outside the United States can donate through Paypal.

(Click on the banner for more details about the September 11, 2010 rally at Ground Zero.)

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28 responses to “Flags only, no signs at the 9/11 rally against the Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero

  1. twwifos

    Just like at the Beck rally – Have the mental patients be on their best behavior while the world is watching. Interesting how you can be so outraged at Owen’s raciest comments in one post while you continually fan the flames about Muslims with your own raciest rants in others.

    As you said in your Owen post…..”Words produce actions and consequences”. Maybe you should take your own advise and think a little harder before hitting that post article button.

  2. BFP

    So tell me, twwifos,

    Should Muslim apostates be killed? Yes or no?

    Thanks!

  3. Green Monkey

    Why the Neo-Conned Tea Party Movement Used a Harmless NYC Muslim Community Center as a Political Football

    by David E.X.N. Nghiem

    In short, the return of the Neo-con faction is in an all out assault against the foundations of our country, the two things which make the United States of America unique in the world, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These two documents are all that separates us from every other two bit nation in the world. This is what makes us Americans, and it’s under attack, not just by the Neo-cons, senators and representatives of the right wing, but by an unruly, functionally illiterate, and emotionally unstable mob that won’t stop to think and reason.

    It’s strategically brilliant when you think about it. We’re at a massive collision in history of several extraordinary crises, the likes of which we’ve never seen before. First we’re going through the throes of a non-weaponized apocalypse, the largest financial collapse in history, which was laid out by disastrous policies stemming from the Federal Reserve and executed by the administrations, starting from the Reagan era up until the end of the George W. Bush administration.

    It’s shuttered factories, banks, businesses, and homes, which is the same effect as a massive bombing campaign all across the country. Unemployment, officially stated at 9%, is actually as high as 20%(14), due to the flawed births/deaths model used by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. We’ve got two wars raging, both of whom will supplant the Vietnam War as the longest running war in American history, and they’ve drained our country of the blood, lives, and youth of our service men and women, and the economy of our country to the tune of one trillion dollars in direct costs. That’s not including indirect costs of private contractors, extraneous hardware, and the massive intelligence apparatus which spies on Americans, our very own, in George Orwell’s words, Ministry of Truth.(15)

    We now have an environmental catastrophe, the worst in our hemisphere’s history, where the wreckage of the Gulf State’s economies, peoples, health’s, and livelihoods isn’t reported in the mainstream. All of this stems from the last twenty five years of disastrous foreign, monetary, financial, and environmental policy. We as a people, as a result of this, are fatigued, unemployed or underemployed, insecure, and agitated. The Neo-cons smell a ripe opportunity, and they’ve taken full advantage for a full assault on our Constitutional Republic, in order to reinstate their plans. With the upcoming elections of November 2010 coming up, the Neo-cons have their pivot.

    The use of the Sufi community center as a political football to divide and conquer the American people through the fundamentalists, Christians and Muslim, both political parties, and drag the moderates and centrists into the fray, plays directly into the hands of the Neo-cons, who have their strings on these puppets.

    http://davesnewadventure.wordpress.com/2010/08/21/part-1-neo-conservatism-2-0-the-emperors-strike-back/

  4. BFP

    So Green Monkey,

    I take it that you are in favour of the Ground Zero mosque being built?

    Remember, the organisers of this 9/11 rally are in no way suggesting that the Muslims don’t have a right under the Constitution to build their “community center” – just that it is inappropriate to build it so near to Ground Zero, and to tear down a building that was damaged in the 9/11 attacks. The people who oppose the Mosque are asking the Muslims behind it to have some respect for the hurt they are causing and to show some reciprocity in understanding how offensive it is – considering the Muslims have a hair trigger for being offended and will kill and riot over, for instance, a cartoon.

    Many folks, ourselves included, believe it is offensive for the Muslims to build this 11 story mosque because 1/ It will be seen as a symbol of triumph throughout the Muslim world and many Muslims have said as much… and 2/ It is offensive for a major religious building to be erected at the location where thousands were murdered by adherents of that religion.

    Many moderate Muslims understand how offensive it is and have declared that is the intent of building it: to cause offense and to declare a Jihadist victory at 9/11.

    So, are you in favour of the Ground Zero Mosque being built? Will you contribute?

    Just asking!

  5. twwifos

    @ BFP: No. You happy? Don’t believe everything you read in a “religious book”.

    Now I have a question for you. Where did you dig up this bit of information? Fox news?

    “the vast majority of Muslims generally loved and supported 9/11.”

    Sorry, but I’m quite sure there was no poll conducted that asked all 1.5 billion Muslims that question.

    I’ve said all I have to say on the so called “mosque” on your other post, so I won’t get into that again.

  6. BFP

    Hi twwifos,

    Are you a Muslim? If so, you are the first we’ve heard here who say that Muslim apostates shouldn’t be killed. That’s interesting! If you are a Muslim we’d sure like to hear some more from you about what you believe and how you reconcile some of the passages of the Quran with your beliefs.

    As to the statement that “the vast majority of Muslims generally loved and supported 9/11.” I don’t know which of us at BFP said that or where it appears at BFP, but it wasn’t me although I would have a tough time disagreeing with the statement based upon my observations in the last 9 years.

    I’m curious as to your views about our article on Muslim reform activist Dr. Wafa Sultan: Muslim reform activist Dr. Wafa Sultan: Ground Zero Mosque decisive victory by Islam over the infidels

  7. twwifos

    https://barbadosfreepress.wordpress.com/2010/08/25/please-visit-our-friends-at-leave-islam-safely-com/

    It’s at the bottom of the comments. I also noticed in the same post that one of you referred to Islam as a “fascist cult”. That kind of rhetoric is just way over the top.

    I am not a Muslim. I’m just someone with some common sense. I could not disagree more with this so called “muslim thinker” that you quote. This kind of overreaction is just what the crazy extremists want. Then they can say “look at how the infidels treat muslims” and convert more people sitting on the fence to their way of thinking. This is no different then the guantanamo bay issue. That was probably the biggest requitment tool that Al qaeda ever had. This is shaping up to be just as bad. Your not helping with these posts.

  8. BFP

    Hi twwifos,

    Marcus wrote the comment. I, Cliverton, was the one in Michigan on 9/11. I wish I had a video camera on that day so you could see what I saw. It was a celebration in the streets with people banging pots in their doorways and whatever they could find. Sweets were handed out where I was.

    Here we are 9 years after 9/11 and there is zero movement in Islam to refute the ideology that the 9/11 murderers embraced. In his Ramadan dinner speech, President Obama correctly pointed out that far more Muslims have been murdered by Islamic supremacists than non-Muslims. There are hundreds of millions of Muslims who would leave Islam if they could do so safely.

    Yes. Hundreds of millions.

    The Ground Zero Mosque IMHO is as much about keeping Muslims enslaved as it is about victory over the infidels – of which you are one.

    Islam is in desperate need of a reformation – but it will not come when folks such as yourself defend the Islamic supremacists.

  9. twwifos

    I saw the celebrations on 9/11 too. It did not make me feel good, but I don’t think anyone who is a “real” person of faith (whatever your beliefs are) felt good about seeing thousands of innocent people dying (including some Muslims).

    Hundreds of millions? Where do you come up these figures from? That sounds like more Fox news propaganda to me. I don’t know how you can even measure something like that. Maybe you can ask Marcus where he came up with that other quote from. Stats like that just don’t hold up to reality.

    The only thing I’m defending is the Bill Of Rights.

  10. BFP

    Hey twwifos,

    Do you think that the 11 story mosque/”community center” should be built? Yes or no?

  11. twwifos

    Duh???? I think I made my view of that pretty clear, but for the record…..YES!!!!!

    Anyone interested in my humble opinion can go to:

    https://barbadosfreepress.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/september-11-2010-huge-protest-at-ground-zero-against-911-victory-mosque/

    I think “THE FACTS” speak for themselves!

    Had enough of this for today. Going for a sea bath now. :-}

  12. ninemikemike

    Well done BFP – the truth hurts these people and their stone-age belief system.

  13. twwifos

    Yeah, freedom of religion and journalistic accuracy are indeed stone age concepts these days. That’s one reason why Fox’s ratings are so high. People who watch them don’t seem to care that they constantly just make stuff up.

    Speaking of making stuff up, check out the Vanity Fair piece on sister Sarah where the Michael Gross states: “This is a person for whom there is no topic too small to lie about. She lies about everything.”

    http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2010/10/sarah-palin-201010

    BTW; I just thought I would mention that TWWIFOS stands for:…..

    The Whole World Is Full Of……

    I think you can figure out what the “S” means and what I think of what’s happening today, especially in journalism.

    Nothing like a good sea bath! :-}

  14. TWWIFOS

    Just to bring home the point that ”Words produce actions and consequences”…….

    http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/26/2010-08-26_muslim_cab_driver_attack_exactly_what_911_terrorists_hoped_for_.html

    So how about a yes or no on this BFP? Is the “mosque” issue related to this guy being attacked? Isn’t this just want our enemies want?

  15. Mobert

    If a mosque is built at ‘ground zero’, I trust that one of the stipulations of planning permission is that as a place of ‘public interest’, anyone and i repeat ANYONE can visit and pray at the said moosque i.e. Islamic, Christian, Jewish, Southern hick, downtrodden vagrant, because as with any place of religion in the western world it is a place of ‘sanctuary’ and NO ONE can be refused entry.

    After all, America is the land of the free, yes?!

  16. BFP

    Hi Twwifos,

    Research further and you’ll see that the criminal who attacked the poor cab driver worked for a group that is Pro-9/11 mosque. It is a strange strange connection alright.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0810/AntiMuslim_attacker_works_at_proPark51_group.html?showall

    Of course everybody condemns this attack, quite unlike the religious attacks and murders every day in Muslim countries where the authorities encourage the attacks and take part. One wacko attacking a muslim taxi driver does not in any way represent the vast majority of Americans who have, and still do, accept people from all over the world.

    This rare incident of violence against Muslims in the USA does allow us to contrast American society with say, Indonesia or Egypt or Afghanistan and many other Muslim countries where hundreds of attacks and harassments against religious minorities and Muslims who don’t buy into a particular view happen every day.

    Oh, you’ll have to include some neighbourhoods in Paris and Amsterdam where all women including local Christians must now wear head coverings or find themselves sexually assaulted or spat upon.

  17. Green Monkey

    BFP asks the Green Monkey:

    So, are you in favour of the Ground Zero Mosque being built? Will you contribute?

    Just asking!

    I think you are missing the point, BFP. This whole “Mosque” issue, as I see it, is a planned distraction designed from the outset to stir up strife, hate and anger between Muslims and non-Muslims in order to further the interests of the ruling elite who profit handsomely from wars and bloodshed as they have profited handsomely from the most recent US engagements in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    In order to keep the US population onside with sending US troops half way around the world to kill and be killed in their very profitable (for them) and never ending “global war on terror” and to ensure the continuing curtailments in civil liberties and the implementation of more police state type laws in the US they need to ensure that a state of disharmony and mistrust (or better yet, real hatred) is encouraged to exist between Muslims and non-Muslims in the US and abroad.

    Will I contribute to this “Mosque”? Actually I don’t think they will need my $5BDS contribution. News is that this “Mosque”, aka Cordoda House, has some very well heeled backers indeed, and they don’t live in Saudi Arabia either.

    Meet the Globalists Behind the Ground Zero Mosque Imam

    snip

    America is divided along two predictable knee-jerk reactions. One is of anger, hatred, and a call for a tougher hardline approach to an expanding “clash of civilizations” between the West and Islam. Another is one of unconditional tolerance. What neither side did, including the pundits feeding both sides, was take five minutes to research who was funding the Cordoba Initiative and who founded it in the first place.

    Behind the Cordoba House

    The Cordoba Initiative was founded by ‘Imam’ Feisal Abdul Rauf, who is also sitting on the Council on Foreign Relations’ Religious Advisory Committee and the World Economic Forum’s Council of 100. Cited as “Christian support for the Cordoba House” on the Cordoba Initiative’s website, is an article from Jim Wallis’ Christian publication, “Sojourners.” Jim Wallis also sits on the CFR’s Religious Advisory Committee. Conflict of interest doesn’t enter the “Imam’s” vocabulary when it comes to rubber stamping “Christian support” on his project.

    http://cordobainitiative.wordpress.com/2010/06/11/supporting-article-in-sojourners/

    http://www.cfr.org/about/outreach/religioninitiative/advisory_board.html

    The Cordoba Initiative is partners with the American Society for Muslim Advancement (ASMA), who Feisal Abdul Rauf also chairs, and under which the site for the $100 million Cordoba House was purchased. The list of financial supporters for the ASMA reads like a who’s who of globalist foundations and includes the Carnegie Corporation of New York, the Ford Foundation, Rockefeller Brothers, Rockefeller Philanthropy, and the Rockefeller Brothers Fund.

    http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=content/ci-partners

    http://www.asmasociety.org/about/p_support.html

    The CFR Connection

    But it was Feisal Abdul Rauf’s Council on Foreign Relations connection that is most striking. The CFR is a corporate think-tank that supplies our elected representatives with a steady stream of policy and whose membership consists not of intellectual thinkers, but of notorious policy wonks, globalist mega-corporations and bankers. Below is a list of a few of the CFR’s corporate members.

    http://www.cfr.org/about/corporate/roster.html

    Bank of America
    Goldman Sachs
    Chevron Corporation
    Exxon Mobil Corporation
    General Electric Company
    JPMorgan Chase & Company
    Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
    Lockheed Martin Corporation
    Morgan Stanley
    Shell Oil Company
    Rockefeller Group International, Inc.
    The Blackstone Group L.P.
    Boeing Company
    DynCorp International
    KBR
    Raytheon Company
    Rothschild North America, Inc.

    Many of these corporations have made trillions of dollars from the Iraq and Afghan wars, some even played integral parts in calling for the wars. Two of which, Veritas’ DynCorp and KBR are in the top ten list of corporations profiting from the war in Iraq.

    If the public can be played right, they all stand to make trillions more with an invasion of Iran, the subsequent rebuilding of its shattered infrastructure and the seizure of their southern oil fields. The Bill of Rights being repealed in the wake of this “war on terror” and justified with this continued “clash of civilizations” has enabled the various bankers on the above list to loot America and Europe with impunity and neutralize those who rise up in protest as “domestic terrorists.”

    snip

    Feisal Abdul Rauf’s membership in the CFR along with the various globalist foundations funding the ASMA and Cordoba Initiative point to the building of the Cordoba House as a deliberate and provocative move by the globalist elite to create more fear, anger, and hatred towards Muslims while expanding the manufactured “clash of civilizations.”

    Angry Americans will continue viewing Islam as an irrational, omnipresent enemy constantly menacing them. They will continue to believe that war and the erosion of their own natural rights are the only answers to this manufactured crisis. In reality the global elite that compose the CFR are consolidating their control over humanity. They realize the effect of 9/11 on America’s psyche is fading and they sincerely hope that by building the provocative Cordoba House, emotions and ignorance will rule the day and their wars and crimes will carry on in earnest, completely justified in the minds of the witless masses.

    http://newsbuster.com/Pages/content/meet-the-globalists-behind-the-ground-zero-mosque-imam.html

    Oh sorry BFP, I temporarily forgot you don’t buy into conspiracy theories – except maybe when it involves Bajan lawyers and the Bajan judiciary conspiring with one another to spank the wrist of another tiefing Bajan lawyer instead of putting his sorry ass in a suite at the Dodds hotel for a few years. 🙂

  18. BFP

    Hi Green Monkey,

    Sometimes your conspiracy theories run amok, but we still love ya. And yes, I read your arguments.

    But would you mind answering the question? Are YOU in favour of having the proposed 11 story Cordoba House/Park 51 project built at the proposed location? What solution would you propose now that this is an issue?

  19. Green Monkey

    BFP asks:
    Are YOU in favour of having the proposed 11 story Cordoba House/Park 51 project built at the proposed location? What solution would you propose now that this is an issue?

    Personally, I am neutral in that I don’t really care one way or another whether or not the “Mosque” gets built at the proposed site 2 blocks away from the WTC complex, as I believe this proposed development was set up to become a stage-managed, manufactured crisis from the beginning, for the purposes as outlined in my earlier post above.

    Divide and conquer is not a new concept. It certainly worked well for the European colonial powers in Africa. Note how quickly this issue with the Mosque got tempers flaring, lines being drawn in the sand, pontificators holding forth and pontificating on the merits of the cases presented by the pro-Mosque vs. anti-Mosque sides, plans to hold public protests drawn up etc. Meanwhile if you get your news from the corporate, state propaganda organs aka CNNBCBSABC etc, American’s, in general, don’t seem to worry much about the loss of civil liberties since 9/11, government spying on their communications, corporate malfeasance, the increasing corporate control over their government and regulatory agencies or criminal negligence by corporation (which in the case of the GoM oil spill alone will end up costing the US billions more than whatever measly compensation will,with great effort, be finally squeezed out of BP). US citizens appear, to all intents, not to be concerned enough to hold demonstrations and protests over the billions of their dollars that have disappeared down the gaping maw of the Military Industrial Complex with little or no accounting as to how it was spent (a lot of it was clearly stolen) – thanks to the “global war on terror” – while the US infrastructure is decaying and health care costs for the average Joe and Jane keep heading for the stratosphere as their house is repossessed by the bank after their jobs were transferred to Asia. Not much public debate seems to take place as to whether or not it is a good idea to base an anti-terrorism strategy on using the worlds most expensive military in a “sledgehammer to kill a flea” approach and the likelihood that the resultant “collateral damage”, aka non combatant casualties, and heavy handed treatment/torture of enemy captives creates more future terrorists than are being destroyed ( http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20874 and http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20878 ).

    But let a moderate Muslim propose renovating and old, decrepit eyesore of a building two blocks from Ground Zero and use it to house a recreation centre and a Muslim prayer room and all hell breaks loose. Now of all the things listed above, which items should the average American be concerned has the biggest potential to negatively impact his or her “life, liberty and pursuit of happiness”, I can’t speak for American’s of course, but if I was an American, quite frankly, it would not be a “Mosque at Ground Zero”.

    Now if I were to try to put myself in the place of an average Muslim inhabitant of NYC (N.B. I am not a Muslim and being an agnostic have no desire or wish to become a Muslim, so not sure how valid my POV is on this), I think I would tend towards the opinion that if this development is going to be used by some to create real trouble and conflict between Muslims and non-Muslims then cancel the plans and/or move it somewhere else to take the wind out of the “Mosque” critics’ sails and defuse the situation.

    However that being said, I also believe that if the “powers that be” feel they need a crisis to further their goals and keep the masses distracted from the corruption and thievery that has gone before and the crises that are approaching – i.e. the ones that somehow don’t get much air time by the likes of Wolfe Blitzer or the blond bimbos on Fox News (e.g see: http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,715138,00.html ) , then you can be sure some other made-to-order crisis will arrive on the scene to fan the flames as necessary.

    If you want to see how easy it is for those with access to media to manipulate people with propaganda and PR techniques by targeting their subconscious fears and desires, watch the 4 part BBC documentary about the rise of the PR industry in the USA under the influence of Edward Bearnays, a nephew of the famous psychoanalyst Sigmund Freud:

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6718420906413643126&hl=en&emb=1#

    If you look on the right side of the google video page, you can see links to the other 3 parts of the documentary.

  20. twwifos

    BFP: The fact that he worked for a Pro Mosque group is interesting, but really proves nothing. It just shows how insane everything has become around this issue.

    It’s not a rare isolated incident either, as you claim. We are becoming more like the enemy then you think. A recent fire at a Tennessee mosque building site was ruled arson. A Mosque in Jacksonville, FL was recently bombed. There are other incidents, but I won’t go into each one. The fact is, it’s getting a lot harder to get a Mosque built then it used to be. Why is that? Read this…..

    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2011798,00.html

    I’ll let you slide on the first question because the jury is still out on if the mosque issue is related to the cab driver attack, but you still have not answered my second question. Isn’t this just what our enemies want? This whole issue is playing right into their hands. Yes or No?

    One last thing to add about the rally itself. No matter what your view on this issue, 9/11 is the wrong day to be holding a protest rally. Asking for flags instead of signs does not change that. A group of self-described “9/11 leaders” is calling on for both critics and backers of the proposed Islamic community center and prayer room to refrain from holding protests on the anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. “To hold rallies on September 11 would be inappropriate and disrespectful to all of us who see 9/11 as a day outside of politics, when we all remain united in honoring the lives and the courage of our many friends and loved ones.” Makes sense to me. There are 364 other days in the year that they could do this. I guess that does not matter when you have a political agenda to push.

  21. James

    BFP, have you fallen of a chair and hit your head ? You’re sounding just like the sort of right wing nuts that I suspect you really don’t like. The ‘mosque’ isn’t really a mosque. And it’s not at ground zero. I’d argue my point but someone has already done it for me. Charlie Booker in UK The Guardian is bang on the money. I’ve taken the liberty of pasting his article below:

    Things seem awfully heated in America right now; so heated you could probably toast a marshmallow by jabbing it on a stick and holding it toward the Atlantic. Millions are hopping mad over the news that a bunch of triumphalist Muslim extremists are about to build a “victory mosque” slap bang in the middle of Ground Zero.

    The planned “ultra-mosque” will be a staggering 5,600ft tall – more than five times higher than the tallest building on Earth – and will be capped with an immense dome of highly-polished solid gold, carefully positioned to bounce sunlight directly toward the pavement, where it will blind pedestrians and fry small dogs. The main structure will be delimited by 600 minarets, each shaped like an upraised middle finger, and housing a powerful amplifier: when synchronised, their combined sonic might will be capable of relaying the muezzin’s call to prayer at such deafening volume, it will be clearly audible in the Afghan mountains, where thousands of terrorists are poised to celebrate by running around with scarves over their faces, firing AK-47s into the sky and yelling whatever the foreign word for “victory” is.

    I’m exaggerating. But I’m only exaggerating a tad more than some of the professional exaggerators who initially raised objections to the “Ground Zero mosque”. They keep calling it the “Ground Zero mosque”, incidentally, because it’s a catchy title that paints a powerful image – specifically, the image of a mosque at Ground Zero.

    When I heard about it – in passing, in a soundbite – I figured it was a US example of the sort of inanely confrontational fantasy scheme Anjem Choudary might issue a press release about if he fancied winding up the tabloids for the 900th time this year. I was wrong. The “Ground Zero mosque” is a genuine proposal, but it’s slightly less provocative than its critics’ nickname makes it sound. For one thing, it’s not at Ground Zero. Also, it isn’t a mosque.

    Wait, it gets duller. It’s not being built by extremists either. Cordoba House, as it’s known, is a proposed Islamic cultural centre, which, in addition to a prayer room, will include a basketball court, restaurant, and swimming pool. Its aim is to improve inter-faith relations. It’ll probably also have comfy chairs and people who smile at you when you walk in, the monsters.

    To get to the Cordoba Centre from Ground Zero, you’d have to walk in the opposite direction for two blocks, before turning a corner and walking a bit more. The journey should take roughly two minutes, or possibly slightly longer if you’re heading an angry mob who can’t hear your directions over the sound of their own enraged bellowing.

    Perhaps spatial reality functions differently on the other side of the Atlantic, but here in London, something that is “two minutes’ walk and round a corner” from something else isn’t actually “in” the same place at all. I once had a poo in a pub about two minutes’ walk from Buckingham Palace. I was not subsequently arrested and charged with crapping directly onto the Queen’s pillow. That’s how “distance” works in Britain. It’s also how distance works in America, of course, but some people are currently pretending it doesn’t, for daft political ends.

    New York being a densely populated city, there are lots of other buildings and businesses within two blocks of Ground Zero, including a McDonald’s and a Burger King, neither of which has yet been accused of serving milkshakes and fries on hallowed ground. Regardless, for the opponents of Cordoba House, two blocks is too close, period. Frustratingly, they haven’t produced a map pinpointing precisely how close is OK.

    That’s literally all I’d ask them in an interview. I’d stand there pointing at a map of the city. Would it be offensive here? What about here? Or how about way over there? And when they finally picked a suitable spot, I’d ask them to draw it on the map, sketching out roughly how big it should be, and how many windows it’s allowed to have. Then I’d hand them a colour swatch and ask them to decide on a colour for the lobby carpet. And the conversation would continue in this vein until everyone in the room was in tears. Myself included.

    That hasn’t happened. Instead, 70% of Americans are opposed to the “Ground Zero mosque”, doubtless in many cases because they’ve been led to believe it literally is a mosque at Ground Zero. And if not . . . well, it must be something significant. Otherwise why would all these pundits be so angry about it? And why would anyone in the media listen to them with a straight face?

    According to a recent poll, one in five Americans believes Barack Obama is a Muslim, even though he isn’t. A quarter of those who believe he’s a Muslim also claimed he talks about his faith too much. Americans aren’t dumb. Clearly these particular Americans have either gone insane or been seriously misled. Where are they getting their information?

    Sixty per cent said they learned it from the media. Which means it’s time for the media to give up.

    Seriously, broadcasters, journalists: just give up now. Because either you’re making things worse, or no one’s paying attention anyway. May as well knock back a few Jagermeisters, unplug the autocue, and just sit there dumbly repeating whichever reality-warping meme the far right wants to go viral this week. What’s that? Obama is Gargamel and he’s killing all the Smurfs? Sod it. Whatever. Roll titles.

  22. Not so fast!

    Green Monkey says

    “But let a moderate Muslim propose renovating and old, decrepit eyesore of a building two blocks from Ground Zero and use it to house a recreation centre and a Muslim prayer room and all hell breaks loose”

    a/ The “moderate” Muslim is an islamic supremacist who wants the USA to adopt Sharia law and all that means.

    b/ The “prayer room” holds 1000 people according to the Mosque developer.

    c/ Muslims who are really “moderate” would never propose building an 11 story Mosque near Ground Zero in the first place.

    d/ 9/11 Families say this:

    Latest Press Release from 9/11 Parents & Families of Firefighters & WTC Victims:

    The Rally is not the problem, the mosque is…..

    “9/11 Parents & Families of Firefighters and WTC Victims”

    Recently a 9/11 family group called for suppression of the September 11th rally near Ground Zero which opposes the construction of a mosque and cultural center near the sacred ground. Many 9/11 families do not agree with attempting to stop this demonstration – and the majority of our group supports the purpose and principles of this rally.

    We have been informed that this demonstration will in no way interfere with the Anniversary Commemoration – instead it will be held at the site of the proposed mosque building at Park Place – after the conclusion of the 9/11 ceremony. Numerous family members, including many from out of state, have made arrangements to attend this important gathering.

    While we respect the rights and opinions of others, we feel that no one should attempt to inhibit the expression of free speech for the large number of 9/11 family members who wish to participate in opposing the construction of this mosque and cultural center. This project represents a gross lack of sensitivity to the 9/11 families and disrespects the memory of all those who were murdered at the WTC both in 1993 and 2001.

    We affirm that the 9/11 Anniversary is a very special and precious commemoration for all of us. However, we feel that by attending and participating in this rally, families can endeavor to ensure that the sacred ground will continue to be respected for posterity.

    Many of our family members feel that they have a moral obligation to their loved ones to raise their voices as the world looks upon us and sees our plight.

    For many family members, the looming, unresolved mosque controversy has made the upcoming September 11th Anniversary even more upsetting and troubling. There can be no peace and reflection for the 9/11 families who strongly feel that this proposed mosque is disrespectful and insensitive. On 9/11, as the world is focusing on Ground Zero, families want to be able to raise their voices and say to the world that this is wrong.

    While it is possible for some to seek peace and reflection on 9/11 – for others it is better to actively seek justice and honor the legacy of their loved ones by publicly challenging this building whose location so affronts the sensitivity of large numbers of victims’ families. While we may all wish for peace and tranquility – if there is no justice for the victims and their families – there will be no peace for any of us.

    No one is being forced to attend this rally, but all family members should have the right to choose whatever they wish to do. On this most poignant day, relatives and friends of the victims have the right to join together with other 9/11 family members who want their voices to be heard in honor of their lost loved ones.

    Chief Jim Riches, Chairperson, 9/11 Parents & Families of Firefighters & WTC Victims

    Sally Regenhard, Vice Chair

    Supporters:
    Bill Doyle
    Jim McCaffrey
    Chief Al Santora
    Maureen Santora
    Rosemary Cain
    Russell Mercer
    Joyce Mercer
    Rosaleen Tallon
    Eileen Tallon
    Albert Regenhard
    Nelly Braginsky
    Robert Da Ros
    Timothy Dennehy
    Joan O’Callaghan
    Marcia Morris
    Noreen O’Riordan
    Christina Regenhard
    Wen Shi
    Margaret Wade
    Dave Wade
    Kathleen Bergin
    Donal Flynn
    Emma DiPierro
    Rosa P. Leonetti
    Dominick LaFalce

  23. ninemikemike

    James – you are too naive to live. Did you not know that the Guardian is a home for lefty-loony libtards, and a well-known hotbed of rampant socialism, anti-semitism, and global warming nutjobs. Most of these parasitic scum come either from the BBC (properly referred to as Al Beebera), the Labour party (recently deposed), Luddite unions, and the chattering classes.

    NO-ONE, and I mean NO-ONE in Britain is fooled. Don’t you be.

  24. TWWIFOS

    Ok BFP lets recap…..

    1- Your outraged at Owen’s raciest comments in one post while calling Islam a “fascist cult” in another.

    2- You make statements that can’t possibly be verified since they can’t be measured. EX: “the vast majority of Muslims generally loved and supported 9/11.” or “hundreds of millions of Muslims would leave Islam if they could do so safely”.

    3- When asked where you got your information from about these two statements you have no answer.

    4- Your constantly asking people to give you a yes of no answer to questions that you raise. You asked me twice and I replied. However, when I ask you to do the same thing, your silent.

    5- Talk about stone-age – ninemikemike makes Palen & Beck look like brain surgeons, but that’s what the right wing is all about. More insults, less facts.

    One thing I will give you credit for. You have not censored any of my comments even though I know you don’t agree with them, unlike people like Palen who has a full time group of people making sure that nothing negative shows up on her Facebook page. Boy….they must be busy!

    To tell you the truth, I have a love/hate relationship with you guys. I think your right on the money when it comes to most local issues, but when it comes to international ones like this, you lose me. I don’t really understand how you can be so “progressive” when it comes to issues here in Barbados, but out on the extreme right when it comes to stuff like this. Just hoping that you won’t continue this journey into the dark side that you seem to be on.

    Any good journalist will tell you not to make any statements that you can’t back up with facts, unless you’ve gone to Glen Beck University. In that case anything goes!

  25. Group51

    I thought this blog post was parody. Apparently not. Astonishing.

  26. ninemikemike

    twwifos – it is Palin, not Palen.

    The facts of Islam are simple – it is a violent, proselytising, stone-age belief system, that abuses women and children, murders in pursuit of worldwide domination, and has nothing to offer civilised educated people. If were not for oil, and its culture of fear, it would be languishing with its the barbarian followers in the desert and caves where they belong. Mohammed (misery be upon him) was a paedophile madman – and those who follow his words, insane.

    I wonder if those who carried out the vile crime in Tudor Street Will turn out to be followers of the madman. We will see in due course, I trust.

  27. TWWIFOS

    @mike

    Palin….Palen….whatever!

    I actually agree with a lot of what your saying. You just lose me when you say that all Muslims are “insane”. There are followers all over the insane/sane spectrum in “all” religions. The ones who usually get the most press are the insane ones.

    Look, the 1.5 billion Muslins on this planet are not going away – so everyone better learn to get along or things are going to just get worse.

    It does not matter what religion the people who committed Friday’s horrific acts were. They were clearly one of the insane ones. Evil comes in all religions. It does not discriminate.

    This is a perfect example of how posts like this just divide people and how this issue can be an explosive one – and I mean that literally.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/04/us-quran-burning-sparks-i_n_705973.html

  28. Slap Happy

    This coming Saturday, a weekend, is the 9th anniversary of 9/11. Let’s hope that some people do not lose their minds even more.