Honour Killing awareness campaign launched in Chicago, Miami… and Barbados

Barbados Free Press today announced that the website will regularly report on the Honor Killing Awareness Campaign launched in Chicago this week and coming soon to other US cities. The taxi roof-sign advertising is meant to raise awareness of the rise of honor killings in the West and to provide Muslim women with resources if they wish to exercise their rights and freedoms under law.

The taxi signs show photos of different women and girls murdered in Islamic honor killings and ask “Is your family threatening you?“. Interested persons are directed to the website Leave Islam Safely.com where contact information and advice is posted from organisations that assist Muslim women to escape “honor” violence by their family.

“Up to 17,000 women in Britain are being subjected to “honour” related violence, including murder, every year, according to police chiefs.

And official figures on forced marriages are the tip of the iceberg, says the Association of Chief Police Officers….”

… from The Independent article A question of honour: Police say 17,000 women are victims every year

What is the punishment under Islamic law for killing a disobedient daughter?

As a non-Muslim trying to understand Islam, it is difficult to separate the rumours and misrepresentations by non-Muslims and Muslims alike. What are Islam’s real values and rules? What authority should be trusted? What about when various Muslim “experts” (themselves Muslims) clash with each other let alone with non-Muslim scholars and experts?

Fortunately (as one would expect) there are a number of certified and highly respected English translations of Islamic law and the Koran itself. Today we refer to the esteemed reference “Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law“.

The publisher describes the book on Amazon thusly…

“The new edition of the in-depth manual of Islamic law based on the Shafi’i school of thought, with a detailed index and commentary on specific rulings. 1,200 pages in an exceptional binding with Arabic and facing English text in two column format with occasional diagrams. ‘Umdat al-Salik wa ‘Uddat al-Nasik (Reliance of the Traveller and tools of the Worshipper) is a classic manual of fiqh. It represents the fiqh rulings according to the Shafi’I school of jurisprudence…” (full description at Amazon.com)

The book is a huge seller and is described at Borders Booksellers as…

“Reliance of the Traveller is an indispensable reference for every Muslim or student of Islam who needs to research on Islamic rulings on daily Muslim life.”

So we turn to the book for an answer to our question, “What is the punishment under Islamic law for killing a disobedient daughter, son, granddaughter or grandson?”

And here is the answer…

from page 583

“The blood of a Muslim man who testifies that there is no god but Allah and that I am the Messenger of Allah is not lawful to shed unless he be one of three: a married adulterer, someone killed in retaliation for killing another, or someone who abandons his religion and the Muslim community”

from the bottom of page 583 to page 584…

“The following are not subject to retaliation: “a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring’s offspring…”

You see the passages from Reliance of the Traveller at Revuse website’s article: Reliance of the Traveller: On Killing Offspring.

Let’s Talk!

Barbados Free Press welcomes comments from Muslims in Barbados and elsewhere as to the accuracy of this article and the book Reliance of the Traveller.

(This article suggested and drafted by BFP reader V.C.)

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47 responses to “Honour Killing awareness campaign launched in Chicago, Miami… and Barbados

  1. John Da Silva

    All people need to be able to live their lives free of intimidation, threats and violence. How many women in Barbados are trapped in abusive relationships because their husbands control the purse-strings. The same also applies to gay men and women who face hatred and threats of violence from people who disagree with their lifestyle. I say live and let live.

  2. ninemikemike

    Islam is known as the ‘Religion Of Peace’ – a misnomer of laughable degree if it weren’t such a savage, violent stone-age belief system. The proselytising. expansionism and downright barbarism, of Islam is possibly the greatest threat to the world today.

    Barbados must keep up its guard against this cancer within.

  3. dismanhey

    bfp, so you are duty bound to make aware of the abused ,and provide recourse for them. good for you. May i suggest then that we advertise on all PSV, a hot line with to accomodate our victims of child sex and prostitution..and it is all there in a nice , neat report sanctioned by another government. But that may not look too good for the tourists..no?

  4. While this is an area BFP & I do not usually see eye to eye on, I am aware in Riyadh not so long ago, a woman was arrested for driving her husband to hospital when she could not find an ambulance. Even in Dubai, two foreign heterosexual adults were arrested for kissing – they were unmarried!

    Horrors! Nevertheless I recall while at CBC, I decided to find out whatever became of the 2 teens who were to be married to senior citizens as arranged marriages within the local Islamic community.

    They sought asylum and eventually disappeared, they had not wanted to give up school and friends yet to maintain their independence, they had to do just that.

    I wanted to know what came next? I asked a contact, who came back a few days later and said if I like living, then drop the story – they were not threatening me they just were scared for my safety, the matter is still a sore topic and a fatwah was declared on the girls for defying Allah.

    I was stunned, since as far as I know most Muslims in Bim appear to be Sunni (modern) and not Shia (b)fundamentalist? Yet I see many burqas here…

  5. ninemikemike

    Well said Mr Bourne – more light needs to be shone on these un-Bajan mores. Like cockroaches, they fear exposure. The French assembly has just voted to ban the burqa in public, and I do not see why any place of business here has to accept the entry of persons (because we don’t know what sex they may be) so clad. In Europe you cannot enter a bank, public buildings, or even a gas station in a crash helmet, and ANY concealment of identity should be proscribed. One murderer has already fled Britain using his sister’s passport and burqa, with the authorities too pusillanimously PC to demand to check her/his identity at passport control.

    Ban the burqa in Bim – the writing is on the wall.

  6. passing through south

    Mr Bourne.. this is a challenge to u.. you come with the same b.s all the time.. i am challenging u to come forward and name the girls in question and also prove that what they did ,they did it due to being force to marry elder members of the islamic community and i will debate the said story with u.ALso prove that a fatwa was given,because come on Bourne, anyone can come forward and state that a contact came and said such a thing which u r saying happened in ur situation, come on bourne, take the challenge

  7. dismanhey

    @ Ian : what do you define as fatwa ? and what exactly is the correlation of the the burka to which stream of Islam ?( btw, i believe “moderate” may be a better word than “modern”)

  8. @passing through south – The story was in the Dead Tree Media about 6 or 7 years ago, I am not sure but I think Roxanne Gibbs helped in saving them from their fate, and as for the fatwah? I can prove it when you reveal your identity and meet me in public to verify same – I stand in the light… Do you? Easy to point, but not to declare…

  9. passing through south

    bring a copy of the same article and post it here or on your site.Bourne is that how u come out to defend ur fatwah statement? by asking someone to reveal their identity.You are the one who came here and made a statement so all i am asking is next timee bring proof of some sorts.Next time you give me one of those weird looks of urs that you have given me in the past and stared me down as doh u were showing hatred,then i will say to u ,yeah bourne its me passing through south.Until then i have no reason to want to meet someone like u,damn i hated it when we were face to face a couple of times in the past

  10. passing through south

    ninemikemike.. has someone like you ever stopped and think that everyone who appears to be of some other ethnicity for e.g indian don;t all come from india.The same way all blacks in bim are not from Africa and are most likely born in bim,the same goes for other races as well.Alot of the indians are second and third generation barbadians and just because they may not take part in cultural activities like crop over does not mean that they are not proud to be barbadians and hold dear to their hearts alot of the other day to day bajan activities or way of life…. Also Mr mike,don;t u think that authoritiess ask all individualss in burkas to reveal their faces when it comes to travelling through such places as airports or any port of entry before entering a country

  11. PTS? You want to disprove me – you go to Nation and look up story, it was a huge issue a while back. Two teenaged girls about to be forced in arranged weddings here.

    It is a known fact and based on your comment we met, it sounds as likely the distaste as mutual – if not, then it shows up the hypocrisy you are and not even worth knowing.

    As for my source, why am I going to place their life at risk for your snide attitude? You think I am a typical Bajan journalist who reveals the source to avoid repercussions? Not as weak as you are…

  12. ninemikemike

    Passing a load of BS – apart from your atrocious illiteracy, I cannot see what you are driving at in what passes for your first sentence. I have never mentioned India, ethnicity, black or white. The issue is Islam, and its increasingly fundamentalist face. It matters nor where it comes from, imported or home grown, it is anathema to the freedoms that have been Bajans to enjoy for generations.
    I assume you must be one of that ‘culture’, for to fail to recognise the pernicious influence Islam exerts could have no other explanation bar imbecility.

    Can you tell us how much funding Bajan Islamic schools get from Saudi, or would you prefer to ignore it?

  13. going north

    9mikemike, I can tell you that as far as i know, no islamic school recieves funding from saudi arabia. besides , if they recieved funding ,so what?
    the curricular is aligned with the Ministry of education.(ask them if u want to double check). In fact , 1/3 of the teachers are black and non muslim.

    Barbados recieves funding from the chinese , americans ,Britian,venezuela,etc, in fact, what people give we, we take without question.

    So start with the government first.

    mr. Bourne : I think i know what u talking bout, if u r referring to that story that was in the Nation a couple of years ago. The girls were never to be married off to some 60 year olds. Its just that the father said its time to get married n they didnt agree. they were naive n confided in the wrong people and the nation(as sensational as ever) took the story n ran with it. since u got your sources, find out what happened to them n where they are now today.you dont have to give me a name. just give us the whole story, not the one from that anti-muslim Roxanne Gibbs.

    I know the whole story, and I aint telling you either, cos it aint none of your business.

    As for your hocus pocus fatwa, I ask you to prove it ,like show us a fatwa. FYI , nobody in Barbados at that time was capable of passing a fatwa.

    Contrary to what most westerners think , most muslims hardly take any of these fatwas seriously bcos most of them are given by some forced ripe scholars who have an opinion on everything and only like publicity. reminds me of some priests n politicians we got bout here.

    About Burqa in Barbados, obviously i havent asked all the women who wear it, but i am certain that 99.9% of them wear it BY CHOICE . In fact , they are more wearing the burka today than say 10 years ago . As for gov. places like immigration/ i.d card/police/ clinics, etc. they take it off as soon they are in the privacy of the particular room/office they are in. Why dont you n your lot do some investigative journalism before making these broadside comments and posting them. I really thought you were better than that. It seems to me you have been fooled by BfP and the western(fox,cnn,reuters )media.

    The media is a powerfull tool n they dont like Islam.

    You should look at other alternative media outlets like the chinese/indian/ russian/African/middle east and see how they view events that are taking place in the world.

    Maybe your eyes will open then.

  14. going north

    As you would have observed , I chose NOT to be grammatically correct as it would have taken more time.

  15. BFP

    Hi Going North,

    It’s great to have a Muslim in the discussion here. We’re wondering if you could make a few comments as to the accuracy and authority of the quotations from Reliance of the Traveller in respect to the killing of apostate children by their parents.

    Thanks!

  16. @North/South, whatever direction seems convenient –

    One minute I am wrong, then I am right but only part way… I want to know how Roxanne is anti-Muslim? For allowing people the freedom of choice?

    I have a good idea who you are now, and if you think I will subject my source to your victimisation you are out of your mind, then again…

    How convenient you claim to know yet not telling, we must accept your posit, but I must reveal my sources, why? Can someone cue in Supertramp’s “Logical Song”?

  17. Apropos of this – I would like North/South/Etc. to express their views on if any imam in Barbados embarrassed the local Islamic community by spouting on 9/11 (or bombs, refresh me) to the point where they lost their “pick” on Swan St?

  18. ninemikemike

    North/South/East/West, whichever suits your BS best, have a look at this (if you dare), and come back and tell us more of your loving, lovable ‘Religion of Peace’…

    AmericanCongressforTruth.com

    I join Mr Bourne in his suggestion that you identify any imam or leading islamic in B’dos who condemned 9/11 or any of the other atrocities carried out in the name of ‘Allah’. You are keen to demand information of him – so put up or shut up.

  19. going north

    @Ian
    You have absolutely no idea who I am. I haven’t asked you for your source. I just asked that if you know the facts ,then state them. You still havent mentioned the so-called fatwa. you dont even need to reprint it, just read it and tell us what it said.
    As for the “Imams on swan street”, as far as i know, none of them work , or has ever worked on swan street. By the way, if I think who you are referring to, he hasn’t lost his “pick” either. Enough said. You are getting more ridiculous by the hour.
    As for Ms. Gibbs , okay I may have been a bit harsh saying she is anti-muslim, however it must be noted that if there is ever a “story” involving the muslim community her name is next to it.
    @Bfp
    Why are you so stupid? someone shows you 2 pages of a book and you make your own conclusions. Let me state clearly, I am not an Islamic scholar. However by just observing, the pages shown are dealing with the subject of ‘qisas'(retaliation) in Islam. #4 simply states that parents of children are not subjected to ‘qisas’/retaliation(by way of killing the parents also). For example, if a father kills his son, then another son by law cannot ask the state to kill/execute his father because he killed his brother. They are other alternative punishments, but the subject matter is dealing with retaliation(or to put it in other terms , an eye for an eye) if the other party wishes to enforce it.
    Put on some glasses,look on page 583 (heading 01.1) and see for yourself dumbass.
    On a point to note, it will be better for you to stop copy and pasting and then do some proper research.
    I dont know why I came back on this forum, even your numbers are dwindling compared to the other forum.
    p.s . I am not the south guy/girl.

  20. BFP

    Thanks for your reply going north.

    Are you saying that the book is not accurate in its translation, and in stating the message of the Koran?

    What about the clear message that it is not lawful to kill a man UNLESS he is… “someone who abandons his religion and the Muslim community” ?

    (“The blood of a Muslim man who testifies that there is no god but Allah and that I am the Messenger of Allah is not lawful to shed unless he be one of three: a married adulterer, someone killed in retaliation for killing another, or someone who abandons his religion and the Muslim community”)

    Is that translated correctly? Is that truly the message of Allah that it is lawful to kill Muslim apostates? Is this direction still valid today in 2010? Is it valid for Muslims in Barbados?

    Thanks for your input.

  21. going north

    @BFP It is correct,but you have to see in what context it was taken.

    As for the the other statement…”UNLESS he is… “someone who abandons his religion and the Muslim community”……… this is also correct. As far as i know,Barbados is NOT an Islamic state and sharia law has not been imposed by the gov’t of Barbados, so how can it valid for muslims in B’dos?
    I dont know if this direction is still valid today in 2010.
    However, I would invite you to read the following articles dealing with apostasy in Islam. As stated before I am no scholar , hence I found the 2 articles enlightening.
    http://www.islamicperspectives.com/Apostasy1.htm
    http://islamicperspectives.com/PunishmentOfApostasy_Part2.html

    “By knowledge you are saved; by ignorance , lost.”

    “Ignorance is like a veil drawn over the face of things. The unfortunate ones who cannot remove this veil from the face of things, will never be able to penetrate into the truths of creation. The greatest ignorance is unawareness of God and if it is combined with arrogance, it becomes a kind of insanity impossible to cure.”

    May Allah (God) lead us all onto the right path. Amen

  22. passing through south

    Bourne.. you sound more ridiculous by the hour… bring fwd the words of the fatwah.. plss doooo.Btw a sermon was given in the last few weeks condemning terrorism in local masjids if u must know

  23. I can only say what my source said, unbeliever/infidel, I was shown no document.

    Of course terrorism is condemned now, but fairly recently (last 3 years for your anal retentive self) an imam had some harsh words along the lines of Bill Maher and Malcolm X that USA had it coming, as a consequence, they were suddenly separated from their Swan St post…

  24. passing through south

    u and ur garbage.As going north pointed out,no imam works in swan street or hasn;t worked in swan street .Come again bourne,bring fwd more lies.What happen bourne… can;t u take it when its pointed out that ur chatting aload of bs. And btw we are not the same person posting with diff nicks,just individuals pointing out ur lies to all the readers here. have a nice day

  25. going north

    Mr. Duguid, like him who’s neither here nor there, your slip is showing. I hope your source doesn’t go by the name of Ninja man or Garcon.
    You are still with this Swan street thing. If d man works in s.s how he could be leading prayers n working at the same time?
    by the way, the word infidel is of christian origin. In-fidel-us —means without belief. check it up if u wish.
    Still waiting for what was written in this fatwa.

  26. Heading West

    North and South , isn’t it simple .If bourne had half of a brain don’t you think he would have figured it out long ago.Guess some things just can’t be bought.Bourne takes bits and pieces and runs with it like the typical yard fowl without thinking for himself or thoroughly following up on the reliability of his sources.Bring facts bourne,facts, not lies and stop sounding more and more stupid by the hour please!

  27. ninemikemike

    The chief weapon of islam is the BIG LIE – as practised by its proponents above from all corners of the compass.
    Attacking Ian Bourne, who has more nous in his pinky than you lot have in your ‘Religion of Peace’ boneheads is a perfect example.

    There is NO SUCH THING as a moderate Muslim – not if he/she calls themselves a true believer. Mohammed was a depraved, murderous, paedophile barbarian and worlwide Islam ever since has constantly tried to drag civilisation backwards to its 1400 AD ideas.

    Muslims are taught to think the world belongs to Allah and by default them, the Muslims. Islam is a vicious conjunction between the stupidity of religion and a people who don’t have or allow the flexibility of interpretation, the buffering of modern experienced outlook, or the civility of global integration and tolerance. Islamic countries, where you see a pure expression of Islam, are foul places of misogyny, intolerance and barbarism.

    Europe is nearing a tipping point with its Islamist cuckoos – Europe today, Barbados tomorrow. Wake up Bim. Google what Winston Churchill said about Islam and you find a good example of what needs to be said today. Google Robert Spencer, Daniel Pipes, Hirsi Ali, even Pat Condell, and you will find more apposite material.

  28. Green Monkey King

    One of the oldest tricks in court is when an expert witness has thrown a cat among the pigeons is to discredit the expert, even if with unrelated nonsense.

    Such is the way of the north and south gang with Ian Bourne, I feel.

    Bourne, as I recall, mentioned this whole incident of the girls while he was at tv8 before, and it was here at Free Press too, but in the previous entry it was in relation to why he never bothered to get original stories while at CBC.

    You say show the fatwa on these girls, directionless posse, but I say show the fatwa on Salman Rushdie? I Googled for it and Alta Vista, yet nothing. But written fatwas can be found on anything else.

    As for the Swan Street imam, Bourne is both right and wrong, it was not Swan Street but their Sheraton Mall branch he probably meant, if it’s who I think it is. The man did some tasteless remarks and it was on tv no less, he was dressed in green, it wasn’t Sabhir Nakuda, it was the guy whose mother worked at a now defunct advertising agency.

    Why has Barbados’ islamic community never delivered open statements against terror tactics? When the Haiti crisis happened, everyone donated, yet nothing from the Bajan islamics — Why??

    It seems you all have much to answer but when the fire is at your feet you want to misdirect. If Bourne’s website never existed the Ocean Park would still be mistreating fish and Bajan art would not flourish as it has recently nor would QEH be under a heavy microscope, so I think you all need to answer for the mote in your own turban first.

  29. passing through south

    Green Money King — in relation to ur response relating to the haiti stuff.Are you out of your mind or is it just that you don;t read the appers often.There was a collection done by the Islamic society of Barbados,which is a group of young muslim students who attend UWI cavehill.They got together and did collections at all the local masjids and on finishing their collection,they called in the respective representatives who were collecting stuff for haiti and made the donation on behalf of the Muslims of Barbados.A picture was also taken and printed by the nation newspaper where it was reported that the donation by the Islamic Society filled a 40 foot container or something like that.So before trying to mislead the public,read and observe what is going on around you. Have a nice day

  30. Green Monkey King

    @ 4 horsemen of, ow, 4 points of compass – N/S/Etc; Only read blogs – papers are pawns of politicians or advertisiers, see my point? Advocate & Nation are sluts for Everybody’s, SY Adam, Moses and so on. Advocate kissed BLP’s butt when Owen ruled and now it’s Dems in charge, any Opposition of former admin, their matters are quelched by their spineless publisher

    @9mikenike? What about Geert Wilders, yo forgot his lonely battle, the same Bajan Reporter has quite a few excellent videos of the Dutch MP

  31. Cuthbert Canecutter

    Did anyone see in the Nation when a beautiful girl in Afghanistan tried to divorce her husband? The family cut off her nose and ears, Taliban did not order this, the husband’s family was outraged a woman would dare to try and leave her man. Does the Koran allow a woman to divorce a man?

    Also, please answer young Bourne’s question on Rushdie’s fatwa? Where is it? Not nice to have shoe thrown at you instead of pelting it yourself, hah?

  32. Green Monkey King

    Left a comment, please open it?

  33. going north

    @GMK , If somebody called your mother a c*** or anything like that along those lines(i.e. deeply insulted you) in front of everybody, would you keep quite and turn the other cheek? Simply put, NO. Well , same thing, the Ayatollah issued a “fatwa” for all of ‘his’ followers after Rushdie insulted the Prophet Mohammed(pbuh) in his book. You may retort by saying its freedom of speech. However if someone denies that the Holacaust existed or says what Hitler did was right, they can arrested and jailed. Everything has a limit. Muslims set their limits . The people of the Orient sets their limits , the west has their limits, but all limits/tolerances are at varying degrees. In Singapore you will be jailed for throwing a chewing gum wrapper on the floor. In another country you can be jailed for 20 years for 1 gram of dope.
    If somebody insults ablack man ,its racism ; insulting a Jew , its anti-semitism ; however, insulting Islam ,its called freedom of speech.
    Besides , if you want to see the fatwa on rushdie(talk about diversions, nobody mention that ,you did) , look for it yuself nuh.

    As for Haiti, going south said enough.

    @Cuthbert , although not mentioned in the Quran, a woman Is allowed to divorce her husband. But I will not explain it here bcos you do not seek enlightenment/knowledge about it, only to argue. I am sure if I explain it to you ,you will come with another argument n then another.
    If you really want to know about Islam come to the Mosque and speak with one of our Imams.

    This thread was started by this :-
    “So we turn to the book for an answer to our question, “What is the punishment under Islamic law for killing a disobedient daughter, son, granddaughter or grandson?”
    And here is the answer…
    from page 583
    “The blood of a Muslim man who testifies that there is no god but Allah and that I am the Messenger of Allah is not lawful to shed unless he be one of three: a married adulterer, someone killed in retaliation for killing another, or someone who abandons his religion and the Muslim community”
    from the bottom of page 583 to page 584…
    “The following ar not subject to retaliation: “a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring’s offspring…”
    You see the passages from Reliance of the Traveller at Revuse website’s article: Reliance of the Traveller: On Killing Offspring”

    When I explained what the relevant quotes meant and to what it was referring to(to the best of my knowledge) ,and how ignorant people can be, others started topic hopping from swan street to rushdie and now divorce.

    Up to now noboby stuck to the original story of the girls n the Nation n the so called fatwa.

    I done ya hear . I was taught never to argue or debate with ignorant (i.e. dont know what they talking about/ dont have facts) people.

    Some quotes to ponder:-
    “A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows public opinion”
    “Nothing is as dangerous as an ignorant friend; a wise enemy is to be preferred.”
    “There is no reply to the ignorant like keeping silence”

    Peace unto all of you , I gonnneeeeeeee….

  34. Straight talk

    And yet they (and you) follow the rantings of a man, hearing voices in his head, that he should commit infanticide to prove his faith.

    Poor Izzy and Sarah, terrorised by this tyrant, who nowadays would be locked away down Black Rock , but are instead idolised by the benighted as the founders of all true religion.

    What a joke.

  35. BFP

    Hello Straight Talk,

    Perhaps the difference is that no Christian or Jew these days would kill their child for religious reasons and have the support of millions of followers. Not so in the Islamic world where women and children are property and the same rules apply now as they did in AD1400.

  36. going north

    Ya see now BFP , you are sliding in another untruth about Islam, i.e. it is okay to kill children in Islam. Ya see what I say about hopping from topic to topic.
    Here is a quote from the Quran : Surah At-Takwir, verse 7 – 14 :
    “7 And when the souls shall be joined with their bodies;
    8 And when the female (infant) buried alive (as the pagan Arabs used to do) shall be questioned.
    9 For what sin she was killed?
    10 And when the written pages of deeds (good and bad) of every person shall be laid open;
    11 And when the heaven shall be stripped off and taken away from its place;
    12 And when Hell-fire shall be kindled to fierce ablaze.
    13 And when Paradise shall be brought near,
    14 (Then) every person will know what he has brought (of good and evil).

    Another verse ( although it is refering to poverty) :
    “And do not kill your children for fear of poverty: We give them sustenance and yourselves (too): surely to kill them is a great wrong.” (17:31)

    And another verse:
    “And when the news of (the birth of) a female (child) is brought to any of them, his face becomes dark, and he is filled with inward grief!” “He hides himself from the people because of the evil of that whereof he has been informed. Shall he keep her with dishonor or bury her in the earth? Certainly, evil is their decision.” Chapter 16, Verse 58-59.

    Lastly , you must be meaning 600 A.D instead of 1400 ad.

  37. BFP

    Hi Going North,

    Oh! I guess the fact that 90% + of honour killings occur in an Islamic context must indicate that Muslims don’t understand the Koran or Sharia as you do. Perhaps you can convince some of your fellow Muslims to see things your way. I wish you could.

    And while you’re at it, why not contact the author of the wildly popular best selling book that we refer to. Perhaps you can advise him where he’s wrong.

  38. ninemikemike

    Sir Winston S Churchill put it well, and would turn in his grave to see how the reality of the curse of Islam has outstripped even his dire predictions…

    ” How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

    A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

    No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science – the science against which it had vainly struggled – the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient” Rome.”

    It is ironic to me, that Barbados, triumphantly free of slavery, and a modern progressive society, should allow the oldest proponents of slavery to grow like a cancer within. Radical surgery is required.

  39. Green Monkey King

  40. Green Monkey King

    BFP, can you allow the video? You will find it amazing

  41. Green Monkey King

    Here’s the “Religion Of Peace”, riiiiiiiiiiiiight!

  42. BFP

    Hi GMKing,

    The embedded video isn’t appearing and I don’t know why. Some embedded videos work fine in the comments section. You’ll just have to put in the URL and leave it at that.

  43. ninemikemike

    That is an excellent link GMK – how about this one for the lighter side of Islam – if there is such a thing!

  44. ninemikemike

    PS – if that link doesn’t work – google Pat Condell….

  45. Green Monkey King

    See it’s there now, but just in case, it’s Geert Wilders http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CenRu4jfL3E&

  46. jj

    There have been a lot of so called ‘honour killings’ in the UK. A ll carried out by family members- those we expect to cherish us. It is quite tragic that religion/ beliefs cause these atrocities. They are generally gruesome too – never without pain or toture

  47. honour killings is a hindu practice. as for “qouting” Winston Churchill, the was was a freemason. will let una research who they are!

    just a side point, people must be incredibly stupid IF the label every single person as the same. ie a black man robbed a white couple, therefor all blacks rob people. bruce lee knows kung fu, so all chinese & japanese people know kung fu. 1 (or a few) muslim people praise 9/11 (terrorism) so they all must praise it to!

    incredible. Usamah bin Laden has been adviced in 1985, then warned from in 1987 by Shaykh bin Baaz. una only know about bin laden now! & to top it off, the bin laden family & Bush family have been doing business for decades, & it was apparent what the bin laden family where upon. now the bin laden family cant be found? please, dem know where dem deh.

    Clarification to the Media – Islams War on Terrorism:
    http://dawahatreading.blogspot.com/2009/08/clarification-to-media-islaams-war-on_13.html

    i will end as i started, honour killings is a hindu practice.