Exclusive: Harold Hoyte slams Barbados Free Press over Liz Thompson story. BFP “scurrilously unpatriotic” to make her “appear a suspect choice”.

NOT MANY of your contributors choose to reveal their true names.

I do.

It is Harold Hoyte. And first of all, I am a friend of Barbados, and secondarily of Senator Liz Thompson, the Barbados candidate for an appointment to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC).

Although I hold no brief for Ms Thompson, yet I am offended by the apparently malicious leading article of the April 8, 2010, Barbados Free Press, titled: Concerned Barbados Citizens oppose Liz Thompson’s nomination to UNFCCC position.

Your headline may factually be correct. Doubtless, some Barbadians believe that Senator Thompson should not have been nominated by the Government of Barbados for this post. I in turn believe that the diametrically opposite also holds true for many: “Concerned citizens support Thompson’s nomination.”

I count myself among this number.

As do Prime Minister David Thompson and Opposition Leader Mia Mottley.

When, however, your corrosive article went on to state, “Shock, laughter and outright disbelief is the almost universal response by environmentally conscious Bajans…”, I searched in vain for the identities of individuals and organisations, and sought their quoted responses, but none were to be found.

None.

What followed were sly, snide, vitriolic and irrelevant generalisations, all of a negative nature.

Except for accurately noting what I regard as a crude and unjustified remark made by Ms Thompson in 1995 with reference to Richard Goddard, one of her fiercest critics on the Greenland landfill proposal, your sneering scenario constitutes nothing less than an unwarranted attack on her good character and reputation.

Where is the honour of hiding under an undeclared authorship to berate an individual on the basis of innuendo, oddments, twisted tales, bogus half-truths, sneering lies and shameless counterfeit concern?

How cowardly!

To a casual reader researching this candidate, particularly one in the international sphere, Ms Thompson might appear a suspect choice, for she is heartlessly painted in a manner that is as cruel as it is unjust, with the potential to effect more disfavour than can be justified.

Thankfully, people who are required to make judgments will have the benefit of empirical evidence with documented information about a track record of integrity and unselfish public service which compares favourably with anyone, I repeat, ANYONE, serving in Barbados public life during the past 50 years.

It is not my desire to do a paint job for Ms Thompson. It is not in my nature. My record as a newspaper editor is open to scrutiny.

What is my desire is fair-minded argument.

What I abhor are quasi-anonymous misfits who use positions of access to mass-dissemination-of- information unconscionably to dismiss the high standing of others under the guise of secrecy, on the basis of merely oblique and concocted hyperbole.

That is why I feel compelled here to register my personal disapproval of your decision to give international glare to your manifest pent-up hatred for an individual without bothering to provide the barest facts for your decision.

It is grossly obscene that a faceless Barbados Free Press can blatantly tout Ms Thompson’s so-called shortcomings (sic) with the wicked intention of derailing a legitimate nomination made on her behalf by the duly elected (and popularly so) government of Barbados.

How scurrilously unpatriotic!

And cowardly.

National pride demands higher standards of us all.

I urge those who chance upon your defeatist outrage to recognise it, and dismiss it, for what it is: a mean-spirited attempt to render ineffective what our Government leadership recognises as a truly splendid opportunity to place Barbados, rightly, in a position of high influence on the world Climate Change stage.

Harold Hoyte

Barbados Free Press replies…

For the information of our foreign readers, Mr. Harold Hoyte is the founder and former editor of the Barbados newspaper The Nation. He is a renowned journalist in his own right. A former President of the Caribbean Publishing and Broadcasting Association, he remains active in media organisations including the Commonwealth Press Union and the Inter- American Press Association.

A former Commonwealth Press Union Fellow and Eisenhower Fellow, he was recognized by Columbia University in the United States for his contribution to Caribbean journalism with the Maria Moors Cabot Citation in 1984. He was awarded the Gold Crown of Merit (GCM) by Barbados in 2003, is a Distinguished Honorary Fellow of the University of the West Indies, and was awarded the honorary Doctor of Letters Degree by the University of the West Indies in October 2005.

Dear Mr. Hoyte

It is george from BFP. Thank you for your email to us and mentioning BFP or any citizen blog for the first time in almost five years that we’ve been on the internet. Marcus, Clive and us all have lunch on Friday. Then they will writing a response to you.

thankyou,

george

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66 responses to “Exclusive: Harold Hoyte slams Barbados Free Press over Liz Thompson story. BFP “scurrilously unpatriotic” to make her “appear a suspect choice”.

  1. Harold;

    If Barbados was truly democratic and had genuine Freedom Of Speech/Freedom Of Expression laws then there’d be no need for BFP nor the sobriquets of its commentators; your hissy-fit response proves the necessity for cloaking identities.

    (Yes, I have chosen to be open like you, but I am fully aware of what a fine line I have to walk because of my decision.)

    Since you believe in Truth – why don’t you correct the 25th anniversary book on the Nation which Harry Mayers bungled?

    He claims Desmond Bourne devised the “Once Is Not Enough” campaign (This is when your erstwhile publication went from weekly to Wed’s & Fri’s) which drew the ire of then Anglican Bishop Drexel Gomez when in point of fact? My mother Carolle Bourne was the sole creator!

    The campaign showed a man & a woman in bed, and the likelihood of no pyjamas, while each is holding a Nation up and a comic-book like balloon is emanating from both stating that once is not enough – playing on the title of a popular Jacqueline Susann novel of the period.

    Ask Don Jordan, now Director of SOJE-Lonsdale, he had his own graphics firm in 1978 called “Visual Arts” and he did the photography and paste-ups of the man and woman in bed. Gomez only made an assumption that the couple were unmarried and his hissy-fit galvanised my mother’s campaign even further.

    After all, cohabitation is no real big deal in the Caribbean – white or black – we have done this for generations, so please!

    But since you are interested in Truth, I thought you may want to clear up that horrendous mistake and rap Mr Mayers on his Born-Again knuckles…

  2. WSD

    Mr. Hoyte, is BFP lying to say that Elizabeth Thompson and her government never proposed Environmental laws for Barbados in 14 years? Are they lying? Are they? Please let me know what the environmental laws in Barbados are that she and owen$ arthur passed. I’ll change my position immediately and support Senator Thompson if you’ll tell me what Barbados environmental legislation she proposed and passed.

    I’m waiting to hear from you Mr. Hoyte.

  3. Come On!

    Ian,

    do you have anything to contribute to the discussion other than a 30 year old axe to grind?

  4. RRRicky

    Count me among the shocked but not laughing. Liz Thompson does not deserve this appointment.

  5. Winston Small

    Harold Hoyte

    I agree totally with your analysis above. This is par for the course for BFP, sensationalism without common sense.

  6. Tell me Why

    Ian. Your snippet surely ain’t environmental friendly.

    Your diatribe relating to your parents is not important today, it wasn’t important yesterday and we don’t give two hoots about the nonsense you wrote in the future. Getta ah life muy boy.

    Harold, brilliant assessment.

  7. Jack Bowman

    Dear Harold Hoyte,

    I have yet to be honoured by the University of the West Indies with an honorary doctorate. Congratulations to you, sir, for that. I understand, nonetheless, what a reasoned argument is, what an English sentence is supposed to do, and what should be the duties of a free press in any polity that can reasonably regard itself as democratic.

    First of all, I share your claim to be “a friend of Barbados”. Second, I am not a friend of Senator Liz Thompson and I have absolutely no opinion about her fitness for international public office. I am, however, disappointed by your contribution to Barbados Free Press on 15 April 2010 in which you take BFP to task for criticising Senator Thompson’s nomination to the UNFCCC.

    You counter BFP’s headline “Concerned Barbados Citizens oppose Liz Thompson’s nomination to UNFCCC position” with an assertion of your own: “Concerned citizens support Thompson’s nomination”.

    When you went on to state that “I count myself among this number”, I searched in vain for the identities of organisations and ordinary citizens that have offered such support. I also sought their quoted responses, but none were to be found. None.

    What followed were vague, personal and pointless generalisations, all of them negative in nature (“sly”, “snide”, “vitriolic”, “irrelevant”, “sneering”, “misfits”), in which you fail to make the slightest effort to build even the beginnings of a case to sustain your argument.

    You simply make the evidence-free assertion that “people who are required to make judgments will have the benefit of empirical evidence with documented information about a track record of integrity and unselfish public service which compares favourably with anyone, I repeat, ANYONE, serving in Barbados public life during the past 50 years.”

    This might be disheartening for you to confront, Mr. Hoyte, but I suspect that the “people who are required to make judgments” about the confirmation of nominees to international public office probably don’t spend even a microsecond wondering which individuals you, personally, have and have not regarded favourably during the past half-century.

    You emphasise, oddly, that “it is not my desire to do a paint job for Ms Thompson.” The statement is redundant, since at no point do you adduce a single scrap of evidence to underpin your position. On the contrary, while you’re long-windedly sneering at the “misfits” who have the temerity to question their political leaders, you seem to expect that we mere peasants will take at face value your opinion of the nominee, an opinion that comes wholly unencumbered by any evidence for its assertion.

    You claim that BFP is unconscionably dismissing the “high standing of others” on the basis of “concocted hyperbole”. Since you signally fail to demonstrate the others’ “high standing”, the claim rings a little hollow. It rings hollower still when you maintain that it is “grossly obscene” for BFP to question the nominee’s alleged “shortcomings”.

    No, sir, it is not “grossly obscene”. What a truly absurd thing to say. Raping children is obscene. Trafficking in women is obscene. I don’t know which moral universe you inhabit, sir, but on the block where I hang out we tend to preserve a fairly clear distinction between what is and what is not a gross obscenity. Did someone mention “concocted hyperbole”?

    I could address your reference to BFP being “unpatriotic” by a lengthy disquisition on Mr. Samuel Johnson’s famous comment about scoundrels, but I fear I have already taken too much of your doubtless valuable time.

    What shall not pass unremarked is your sneering reference to “misfits”. Mr. Hoyte: in the Barbados media we need all the misfits we can get. In a country where members of the press virtually need government permission just to go to the bathroom (and that, Mr. Hoyte, is hyperbole), the “misfits” are out best hope for democracy.

  8. Timoty

    Ian you are correct and smack on, some people like to forget the past, but that is one way to repeat it and the youngsters in school are only soaking up what they are NOW thought.

    Harold you need to go control the paper you help created, stop getting headaches over a blog, leave that for he other bloggers above to do.

    A blog is one own expression and opinion of the author, when did blogs become facts, man Harold you was out the paper business too long…lol….go back to fontabelle FAST.

  9. The problem with blogs

    The problem with blogs is that they can surface at anytime to remind people of past injustices that have been “forgotten” by the old-style news media. In Barbados Mr. Hoyte and others allowed many important and unresolved news stories to fade into obscurity. Ian’s reminder of an unresolved injustice many years ago is a problem for Mr. Hoyte.

    Mr. Hoyte doesn’t care that the injustice was never resolved, only that it was mentioned again inconveniently. Hurray for the blogs! Long may they publish.

  10. Racine

    At the top of this blog there is the changing title photo and right now it is about the Codrington family of five who died when their house fell into a cave that was known. Their house was built on a cave.

    A whole family of five dead at a construction site where the place was shut down for safety concerns for four days. When they went back to work after four days then the cracks got worse and the home collapsed and five people died.

    The Nation never asked for a coroner’s inquest. Five people dead and the largest newspaper in the country kept silent about the need for an inquest. The Nation never mentioned who was involved, who owned the house, who was the construction company or the architect or the people who made the inspection of the cracks and gave the okay to continue work.

    Is that responsible journalism Mr. Hoyte?

  11. Duppy Lizard

    Dear BFP: Perhaps you could be so kind as to post Ms. Thompson’s qualifications for this position. Is she a scientist?

  12. BGR

    In a previous post I said Liz Thompson nomination for a UN post would benefit Barbados even if she has nothing to show for it. Issues among ourselves is one thing. Anything to place this island state in a prestigious position should be supported. Unity is strength.
    BFP could of balance their post as such.

  13. dismanhey

    …” to place Barbados, rightly, in a position of high influence on the world Climate Change stage.”

    Excuse me ?Who is this joke on ? How many of us know the name of the system that has been causing the drought ? what is our recycling plan ? oh please.

    Yes Mr. Hoyte, national pride demands a higher standard.. so let’s start with the nuts and bolts of our society like the enviroment which we depend so greatly upon. Then the patriotism will flow.

  14. Tell me Why

    Hey folks. I recommend Denis Lowe for the job.

  15. What I state stands, if there was proper FOI legislation in place then it would be more than Jack Bowman apart from myself querying a matter… I may have an axe to grind but it is mild compared to other skeletons in Hoyte’s closet which I only left alone as Barbados’ FOI laws are non-existent!

    The quest for Truth remains unabated – apart from my own observations there’s the data as posed by “Racine” (Wonder why there’s no use of their True Identity? H’mmm?) concerning Arch Cot… I felt sure that Hoyte would have raced back to answer myself far less a person who calls themself after a city in Wisconsin.

    BTW – So what if I have an axe to grind from years gone by? It’s my sharp instrument, I didn’t brandish it over my head in a Political Meeting making my party an embarrassment… Oops!

  16. hubris and self-righteousness

    Thank-you Mr. Hoyte for coming out of the media closet.

    We respect your opinion even if it is dead wrong!

    At what point do elected officials who have no serious bona fides for a job get the right to wrap themselves in a flag and tell others that it is unpatriotic to criticize them for their failures to carry out their duties in a responsible and accountable manner?

    If this was coming from any other seasoned “journalist” who wasn’t the head of a news organization which suppressed the real issues and important issues of Barbados for many years it would not be so “grossly obscene.”

    If everyone is free to vent their views in reasonable non hateful manner without threat of victimization , then democracy is alive and well.

  17. Observer

    Dear Mr. Harold Hoyte:

    Please state for the record in the interest of full disclosure: What is your relationship to Liz Thompson? Is she your god-daughter?

  18. FAITH GOODY

    Why is the Black Race so bitter and cruel to each other, pray for each other and try to unite. Love thyself and each other.

  19. If I were Liz Thompson

    What a load of utter trash from Someone that shoulkd know better, come Mr Hoyte you can do better than to defend this crook who willingly gave her husband contracts to remove asbestos roofs for which he was unqualified and throw out of the bidding process by her manager at the NHC only to be instructed by her to give her husband the same contract for which he was unqualified.

    Kerrie was right between she and Mottley they really are 1000 lbs of Blubber,

    they both are Blubberish CROOKS and NASTY LIARS

  20. w.t.rh

    lol, last comment was mad “blubberish crooks”, “nasty liars”. That spells it out really nicely.

  21. littleboy

    Aagh come on people, any good Catholic or Anglican knows that “Godma or Godpa” have a responsibility for a child. What you expect Mr Hoyte GCM to do or say?
    Remember when he and Liz arrived at the House in the same car for a no-confidence motion against her?

  22. Mis Fit

    Was Ms. Thompson the Minister of the Ministry responsible for building the beach facility and vendors booths at Worthing beach? Did the CZMU recommend against placing them so close to the sea?

    Is it true that because the recommendations of CZMU were not followed hundreds of thousands of taxpayers’ dollars then had to be used to protect the said structures from erosion?

    Who in their right mind would have placed those facilities there?

    Mr. Hoyte, can you get the Nation to investigate this matter for the enlightenment of the public?

  23. bite muh

    Didn’t the Nation get a huge contract for “enviornmental work”? Hoyte should come clean and tell us what was the real nature of the work

  24. bibliophile

    How refreshing to see Mr. Hoyte use such clear, concise prose in his well-constructed article. What a pity he cannot effect the same standard of English at his newspaper!
    Liz Thompson, whatever her record in Barbados, is a RACIST.

  25. Tourism Monkey

    I, myself, have a blog and yes, I have to watch what I say because the slander and libel laws here in Barbados are sharp.

    However, I must say that the issue which most blogs face is that of having factual, trusted information.

    We have never seen any of the mainstream Barbadian bloggers in any press pool yet they are able to come and make statements as if they were.

    Everything that I read on these blogs is taken with a pinch of salt.

    Why?

    Because every time that someone from the blogs has been called on to produce evidence, a bunch of people come in, insult them and say to them that “we” should be happy to have people like them.

    So what if Harold Hoyte has an issue with BFP? Let the issue be hashed out on its own merit.

    Don’t talk about his relationship with Ms. Thompson.

    Don’t talk about him or the way in which his newspaper was run.

    Don’t let it degrade into attacks on people’s character.

    Deal with the issue and bring opinions or facts.

    Period.

  26. Observer

    TM:

    Why is Mr. Hoyte’s relationship with his (adorable and adoring) niece Liz Thompson irrelevant to this discussion? I say, hell it is, for it may show why a man of his repute is willing to lay it bear for a scoundrel like Liz Thompson… a colossal failure with an anaemic law practice at best whose only means of survival is living the life of the POLITICAL RULING CLASS. Her new job is paying 22K/ month (plus perks) and she has obviously asked Uncle Harold to come out of hibernation in order to deflect the flak that the original BFP story has raised about this kleptocrat. May her potential employers carry put their due diligence and let the chips fall accordingly.

  27. Lens

    Ian Bourne’s last post had me laughing. I was in the Carlisle Bay Car Park when our proposed Nobel laureate fling collins on stage.

    How come this was never reported in the Nation Newspaper, was the Editor being a friend of Barbados or our climate change expert?

    If on the other hand a poor man fart it is front page of the Nation.

    Long live the Blogs!

    Lens

  28. Tourism Monkey

    The relationship is irrelevant in the face of facts.

    If my wife were to be accused of a crime and I came forward to her defense stating FACTS should my argument be considered null and void because we are married?

  29. m

    Is Ian Bourne and his pops Desmond Bourne authors of BFP?

  30. BFP

    Ahhhh…. yes. Of Course. We confess. Good old Ian and his dad Desmond are behind the whole thing! 😉

    Now run along and play and don’t forget to brush your teeth and floss after meals.

  31. If I had a dollar every time this was said, I’d be a billionaire by now, sigh…

  32. BFP

    But Ian, you’re on line at the same time as BFP makes comments. That means you’re BFP, right? 😉

    And you’re probably responsible for the Eswick cartoon at the top and the one that’s about to appear at BFP any minute.

    Nope. Looks like you’re guilty to me! 🙂

  33. Just check me tomorrow morning… Too busy at Bajan Reporter to write here…

  34. Nostradamus

    @Tourism Monkey

    “……should my argument be considered null and void because we are married?”

    Of course it shouldn’t, but you need to declare the potential conflict of interst.

  35. Observer

    TM: My wise friend Nostradamus beat me to the punch… I will follow-up by asking, as objective as one may try to be do you accept that there is often an unavoidable bias if you are relating a story about a loved one (lover, wife, daughter, god-daughter, etc.)? Can you tell me, the last time you checked, was Mr. Harold Hoyte elevated to the status of sainthood? Could there be a remote (or even distinct) possibility that Mr. Hoyte’s story may be coloured because of his closeness to Miss Thompson?

  36. Bajan George

    Hoyte can say what he wants. He’s a journalist, some say he’s a good one, but I wouldn’t know that from reading the Nation.

    And I don’t really care whether Mr. Hoyte has a personal connection to Ms. Thompson, other than to think that it was unfortunate that his virginal first time on this internet blog was prompted by it.

    Anyway, personal connection aside, I believe Ms. Thompson is not qualified to take the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) position. I believe her stewardship as Minister of the Environment was fraught with policy, enforcement and management failures while she was in charge. My own experience with her was that she was unresponsive to real environmental problems, and that she was either overwhelmed with or incapable of carrying through projects that were and still are critical to the environmental health of Barbados.

  37. Tourism Monkey

    @ Observer:

    Yes, I agree that bias may play a part to it but that’s where facts balance that out.

    Facts don’t take sides. If you can’t dispute them then there is no argument.

    @ Bajan George:

    That’s exactly it. You brought facts to the discussion. Not personalised attacks. I wish that many more contributors here did the same.

  38. Observer

    TM: Do you agree that Mr. Hoyte (because of his close connection to Ms. Thompson) would be privy to a lot of “facts” relative to Ms. Thompson? Do you think that he would have CAREFULLY selected the “facts” he wanted to place within the public domain? Do you think he would have held back “facts” that could be potentially damaging to Ms. Thompson? At the end of the day does that fact not make Mr. Hoyte a VERY biased reporter?

  39. Fair and Balanced!

    Tourism Monkey seems to be one of the few rational voices in this thread. Some of you have turned Harold Hoyte’s comments into an attack on blogs in general, when for the most part it made reference to HIS VIEW on BFP’s characterization of the Liz Thompson recommendation.
    Just as BFP is entitled to its view and all of you, politically driven or otherwise are entitled to yours, so to should Mr. Hoyte.
    The Liz Thompson recommendation is neither here nor there where I am concerned.
    While Greenland will forever be the yardstick by which she is measured in terms of her environmental expertise, surely it must say something to all of you with political axes to grind especially, that the present Prime Minister would reach across party lines to select her a nominee.
    Why not a member of the Future Centre Trust or some other dedicated member of any number of environmentally minded local organisations?
    Only the Prime Minister knows the answer to that question. Bottom line people – Liz Thompson did not nominate herself.
    And so what if she’s chosen? Why can’t this be an opportunity for her to redeem herself where the environment is concerned?

  40. Redeem Herself?

    Memo to “Fair and Balanced!”

    When Elizabeth Thompson failed so miserably on many projects and betrayed the trust that she was given, it is not time to give her more responsibility as an “opportunity to redeem herself.”

    It is time to bid her “goodbye” AS THE VOTERS DID.

    Get that? The voters bid her “goodbye” on the basis of her poor performance.

    Something that David Thompson should remember instead of aligning himself and his government with someone he previously called down for performance and integrity faults.

    What is the PM thinking? The public is asleep?

    Foolish man.

  41. Jack Bowman

    Fair and Balanced makes the argument that “just as BFP is entitled to its view and all of you, politically driven or otherwise are entitled to yours, so to should Mr. Hoyte.”

    Surely, no rational person would disagree with that argument for a single second. Without question, Mr. Hoyte is “entitled” to his opinion on anything. But he is not “entitled” to expect that anyone else should take his opinions seriously.

    Mr. Hoyte is entitled to hold the opinion that cows wear hats and that water isn’t wet. But if he wants those opinions to be taken seriously, he has to make some minimal effort to demonstrate their validity.

    It is nowhere near enough to say (paraphrasing Mr. Hoyte): “I know Mr. X and Mr. X is great. Mr. X. is a brilliant candidate for this job. There is a mountain of evidence showing that Mr. X is a great candidate. But I’m not giving any of that evidence to you. You just have to trust me.”

    Mr. Hoyte (whose shelves must be bursting under the weight of his various awards for journalistic and analytical acuity) does not even TRY to argue a case. He seems to expect you to take his opinions seriously just because the opinions are his. And his opinions, as expressed in his message to BFP, are nothing more than evidence-free assertions and ad hominen sneers.

    To quote Mr. Hoyte directly: “national pride demands higher standards of us all.” Perhaps national pride should demand even higher standards from a Barbadian so freighted by honours as Mr. Hoyte has been.

    I have seen cases argued better (vastly better) by eighteen year-old undergraduates on whom UWI has yet to bestow honorary doctorates.

    What I did not take time to discuss in my first post on this thread was how troubling it is that Mr. Hoyte, rather than make ANY argument for his position, simply resorted to the disturbing suggestion that anyone opposed to his position was unpatriotic or lacking in national pride. I share Mr. Samuel Johnson’s opinion of patriotism and scoundrels.

  42. Jack Bowman

    Dear BFP folks,

    My most recent post was sent under an “anonymous” handle as “Interested Observer”. Please post it as “Jack Bowman” because otherwise readers will fail to grasp it’s reference to “my first post on this thread”.

    The reason for the “Interested Observer” handle is related to being banned from posting in Another Place.

    Many thanks.

  43. Tourism Monkey

    @ Observer:

    You proved my point perfectly.

    Harold Hoyte brought facts in the defense of Liz Thompson.

    If there are other facts which he, or others, may know then those can be used to counter.

    If you don’t know what the facts are, you can’t expect that they’ll be offered to you from the defence.

    Also, please note that in this instance, Mr. Hoyte never claimed to be a reporter, he only wanted to have “…is fair-minded argument.”

  44. Jack Bowman

    Tourism monkey says:

    “Harold Hoyte brought facts in the defense of Liz Thompson.”

    Please give me one “fact” that Mr. Hoyte adduced to support Ms. Thompson’s nomination. Just one.

    Thanks.

  45. Tourism Monkey

    @Jack Bowman:

    I never said he brought facts in support.

    Read the quote you pulled out.

  46. Jesus Christ

    Right, Mr. Tourism Monkey. What you said was that “Harold Hoyte brought facts in the defense of Liz Thompson.”

    So, now we’ve got that clear … Please give me one “fact” that Mr. Hoyte adduced to support Ms. Thompson’s nomination. Just one.

  47. Love

    FAITH GOODY

    April 16, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    Why is the Black Race so bitter and cruel to each other, pray for each other and try to unite. Love thyself and each other.

    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    **************************************

    Hello BFP,

    My comment posted on the same day as FAITH GOODY is still awaiting moderation. What’s wrong ?

    Love

  48. red ant

    I saw an earlier post which stated that the nation or someone affiliated with that organization received a hughe gove’t award for some “environmental” work by the same minister Hoytie is now defending.

    Why does Hoyte not clear up the matter. Set the Record straight. Was it about ten years ago, a figment of the the person’s imagination?

    Please set the record straight!

    Red ant

  49. Tourism Monkey

    @ Jack B Jesus Christ:

    You are still not getting the point are you?

    Harold Hoyte’s issue with this letter is not to confirm and offer support for Liz Thompson hence there is obviously a deficiency in supporting facts to this effect.

    What is his issue are “quasi-anonymous misfits who use positions of access to mass-dissemination-of- information unconscionably to dismiss the high standing of others under the guise of secrecy, on the basis of merely oblique and concocted hyperbole.”

    Now as it comes to that, I ain’t calling nobody here a misfit (cause as I said, I got a blog too). But, I calling a spade a spade; usually, when writing anything, the content of the subject matter clearly reinforces the heading and as such uses some form of factual information to back this.

    All Harold Hoyte do is call out BFP on not actually doing this.

    I could easily write an article and say that thousands of Bajans are upset at frogs coming out on the road after heavy rains. If I don’t bring some quotes or statistical information to back up that claim then how true could it be?

    Food for thought.

  50. Observer

    Here are some OBSERVATIONS:
    – This is Mr. Hoyte’s first open post on BFP
    – He came here to defend Ms. Liz Thompson
    – Mr. Hoyte applied argumentum ad hominem vs. BFP the very same agrument that he decries when it was used against by BFP vs. Ms. Thompson
    – Mr. Hoyte FAILS to make a solid argument as to why Liz Thompson should be favourably considered for the UN job
    – Mr. Hoyte has FAILED to outline his close connection to Ms. Thomson
    – Mr. Hoyte has undermined his credibility
    – Mr. Hoyte has failed to respond (in person) to any of the posters who challenged him on this thread.
    – Mr. Hoyte is essentially telling ALL OF US – believe me because I am Harold Hoyte – the doyen of journalism in Barbados and the wider Caribbean.
    – Liz Thompson’s nomination by David Thompson with the sanctioning of Mia Mottley tells us the the POLITICAL RULING CLASS rules Barbados.
    – Mr. Hoyte was once and still is a foot soldier for the POLITICAL RULING CLASS

  51. BFP

    Hello Love

    Your comment is racist and will not be approved. Please visit BU if you wish to engage in race-baiting as they love that stuff.

    Thank you

  52. Jack Bowman

    Thanks, Tourism Monkey. You’re still not getting it, are you?

    You say (please don’t hesitate for a single second to correct me if I cut-and-paste direct quotations from your own posts in a way that is erroneous):

    “If my wife were to be accused of a crime and I came forward to her defense stating FACTS should my argument be considered null and void because we are married?”

    “you need to declare the potential conflict of interst.”

    “Facts don’t take sides. If you can’t dispute them then there is no argument.”

    “Harold Hoyte brought facts in the defense of Liz Thompson”

    It’s becoming boring to restate this question, Mr. Monkey: please give us ONE SINGLE “FACT” that Mr. Hoyte brought in defense of Liz Thompson.

    Just ONE.

    Thanks.

  53. Observer

    JB: TM is dodging your question. Why am I not surprised.

  54. Tourism Monkey

    I aint dodging a thing.

    Harold Hoyte’s defense of Liz Thompson stemmed from the article posted here on BFP.

    Therefore, to attack that article defended her and hence,

    “When, however, your corrosive article went on to state, “Shock, laughter and outright disbelief is the almost universal response by environmentally conscious Bajans…”, I searched in vain for the identities of individuals and organisations, and sought their quoted responses, but none were to be found.

    None.

    What followed were sly, snide, vitriolic and irrelevant generalisations, all of a negative nature.

    Except for accurately noting what I regard as a crude and unjustified remark made by Ms Thompson in 1995 with reference to Richard Goddard, one of her fiercest critics on the Greenland landfill proposal, your sneering scenario constitutes nothing less than an unwarranted attack on her good character and reputation.

    is your fact.

  55. Tourism Monkey

    I aint dodging a thing Observer.

  56. Jack Bowman

    Mr. Monkey,

    You say: “Harold Hoyte brought facts in the defense of Liz Thompson”.

    Please give me one fact that Harold Hoyte brought in the defense of Liz Thompson.

    Just one, single, tiny little fact.

    Give me ONE “fact” that Harold Hoyte brought facts in the defense of Liz Thompson.

    You can do that, right? It’s not hard. Just ONE fact that Mr. Hoyte adduced. Just ONE.

    Thanks in advance. All best wishes to you, Mr. Monkey.

  57. Jack Bowman

    You are dodging everything, Mr. Monkey.

    The matter is simple. What you say is, obviously, moronic and nobody should take one second to argue with you since you argue like a child.

    If you are arguing on behalf of and at the behest Dr. Hoyte, it really would be better if the learned doctor argued his own case. With the greatest respect, Mr. Monkey, you’re not up to it.

    And that circumstance raises a question of import. Did “Dr”. Hoyte actually write his message to BFP himself, or did he get some not-too-bright flunkey to write it?

    Either way, it doesn’t look good for “Dr.” Hoyte. If “Dr.” Hoyte wrote it, he looks foolish. If “Dr.” Hoyte asked someone else to write it, he looks even more foolish.

    Dear “Dr.” Hoyte,

    Congratulations on your honorary doctorate from UWI. Most of us, to get our doctorates, had to spend years in the archives, doing primary-source research, building arguments, earning doctorates.

    If you are supposed to be some kind of exemplar of journalism in this country, “Dr.” Hoyte, and if your message to BFP is some standard of your view of journalism, then may your god help this country. You, as a “journalist”, plainly won’t.

  58. Observer

    JB: The higher the (T) Monkey climbs the more he shows his….

  59. Tourism Monkey

    Okay Jack and Observer, I argue like a child and obviously me, as a moron has no point.

    If you have to resort to name-calling then you know what……have fun.

    BTW I don’t know Harold Hoyte or Liz Thompson. All I stated when I started was the fact that people should argue against Mr. Hoyte’s points only but what do I know? I’m moronic and childish.

    The sad irony is that I said this would happen:

    “Because every time that someone from the blogs has been called on to produce evidence, a bunch of people come in, insult them and say to them that “we” should be happy to have people like them.”

  60. Jack Bowman

    Mr. Monkey:

    You really can’t have it both ways. You can’t play victim and then fail to substantiate your own arguments.

    You said (and PLEASE correct me if I misquote you):

    “Harold Hoyte brought facts in the defense of Liz Thompson.”

    I am asking a very simple question. WHICH facts did Harold Hoyte bring in the defense of Liz Thompson”?

    Just give me one. Just one. Just make the tiniest little effort to substantiate your assertion. Just the tiniest. Just one fact, one single, tiny miserable little fact that Mr. Hoyte brought in the defense of Liz Thompson.

    One.

    You have options here, Mr. Monkey, but they are not limitless. You can (i) substantiate your assertion (in which case you beat my argument); or (ii) fail to substantiate your assertion. In the latter case you necessarily look like a bit of a tool, since the entire 596 words of his message are right there in front of you for your review. Takes about two minutes to read the entire screed.

    You say, Mr. Monkey: “Harold Hoyte brought facts in the defense of Liz Thompson.”

    I’m just asking that you give ONE of them.

    Thanks a lot.

  61. Tourism Monkey

    Dude, whatever.

  62. Tourism Monkey

    If you want to jump on your soapbox, ignore what was written and continue to incite people. Go right ahead. I’m done with this.

    I’m not about to let someone I don’t know carry up my, already high, blood pressure.

  63. Sam Taylor

    People been talking about facts, and how either party in this debate is lacking them.

    Im no supporter of any of them, just the facts which i feel is needed in this blog.

    Liz has done quite a bit on record. This is a sample of the policies/programmes attributed to her:

    * A National Energy Policy based on Sustainable Development principles;

    * Policy and Supporting framework for Barbados Offshore Oil exploration Programme;

    * A National Energy Conservation Programme;

    * Policy for 70/30 percent mix of fossil fuels to renewables by 2020;

    * A Green Economy Policy marrying economy and ecology for sustainable development;

    * Established Barbados and the Caribbean’s first AIDS Hostel;

    * Piloted major Barbadian legislation through Parliament including: Offshore Petroleum Act, Offshore Petroleum Taxation Act, Marine Pollution and Control Act and a Coastal Zone Management Act through Parliament.

    Can some of the members here who appear to be looking for reasons why Liz was/wasn’t a good, nomination use these points as grounds to arguing their positions, or perhaps add their own?

    I personally have no opinion on the matter, but i do like to read a good debate.

  64. BFP

    Thanks Sam for the first “list” that anyone has dared to try and put together of thompson’s “accomplishments”.

    We’ll be online later this evening with our take and a reply to you and Mr. Hoyte.

    Now… while were at it, would you mind digging up the results of the one-page “policy” and “programme” announcements that were thrown around like confetti by the Arthur government? Without the teeth of law and without the funding, we say they accomplished little or less than nothing. They were deceptive and not real. Zero results.

    That’s what we say. You might disagree, so…

    You know… please list the real positive changes that resulted from the “policies” that were nothing more than single afternoon press events – then forgotten.

    Thanks!

  65. Bonjour

    What has HH and ohers to say now that Liz lost out on the post at the UNFCC in Bonn, Germany? Will she blame the DLP Govt which nominated her? The truth is that Liz was not well known in the Int’l community and for those who knew her she was not well liked or respected.

    Former Bdos UN Ambassador Christopher Hackett also did a botched job in trying to promote her cause. For example, you don’t go to the German governmen and as them to support Liz and Bdos will support them for a seat on the security council of the UN. They are the host country of UNFCC and hence would never get involve in the race.

    But Liz went to NY to canvass and turned people off by focussing on the kind of property and car she would have in Bonn, whether she could take Mr Hackett to work there with her, what kind of job her husband would be allowed to do and if her parents can come live with her. She never once sought to find out what are the main issues in climate change inthe world today. She did not, does not and will not have a clue. she is clueless.

    Even members of AOSIS threw heir support behind the Costa Rican candidate. Liz was only put in because Bdos has a decent reputation in the arena and to show a balance for small island states who are most vulnerable. but everyon expect Liz and a few Bajans knew she did not stand as much chance as a snowcone in hell.

    so now she is without the job and will probably go on he rampage and blame her Government at home and try to run in teh elections again. Just like Barney Lynch lost his in 2 months time and now want to run again. I don’t live in Bdos anymore, but wish I could vote against self-serving characters like Liz and Barney.