Barbados Health Minister Donville Inniss: Breathalyzer Law & Equipment not necessary

Donville Inniss: Dead Wrong

UPDATED: December 22, 2009

Minister of Health Inniss comments on Barbados Free Press?

Video added should be required viewing for Minister Inniss & his fellow MPs

As our readers can see, a person claiming to be Minister of Health Donville Inniss commented upon this article. BFP’s editors changed the name on the comment from “Donville Inniss” to “Is this Donville Inniss?” until we are sure of the author.

BFP has asked for confirmation via an email sent from the Minister’s official office. Although we have yet to receive a confirming email, there are other indications that the comment might indeed be from Minister Inniss.

If and when we receive confirmation, we’ll let our readers know. Until then, please take the comment with a grain of salt.

Cliverton

Original Article…

I know Marcus just said we’d be happy and ignore government er, people, for Christmas time but for me that promise lasted about 5 minutes after picking up today’s Barbados Advocate. See page 14.

We’ll get into the details after Christmas, but the short story is that Barbados Minister of Health Donville Inniss says this about drinking and driving…

“I think that at the end of the day, we do not need additional legislation – there are a lot of laws on the statute books already. What we need is for persons to exercise caution and to be very respectful of other road users.”

Mr. Inniss: you are dead wrong.

Robert

This Australian anti-drunk driving video should be required watching for Minister Inniss and his fellow government members…

(A big thanks to one of our longtime readers who recommended the video to us!)

Further Reading

Trinidad & Tobago implements Breathalyzer law – Barbados government fails to protect citizens from drunken driving

Here is the Barbados Advocate article that the quote from Minister of Health Donville Inniss was taken from, so readers can view everything the Minister said in context as reported by the journalist “JRT” whose initials are at the bottom of the article…

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60 Comments

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60 responses to “Barbados Health Minister Donville Inniss: Breathalyzer Law & Equipment not necessary

  1. J

    The Minister seems like a generally sensible person but in this instance he is wrong.

    We do NEED breathlyzer legislaton and equipment and strict enforecment. Because the truth is that it is hard for people to be respectful and cautious when they are drunk. Heavy Alcohol does impair judgement

    People won’t like it at first (and Marcus may never like it) but they will get used to it, and I expect that the number of deaths and serious injuries on the road will decline.

    I don’t often agree with BFP but in this instance BFP is right.

  2. RLL

    Is this the official government position? It might be because we’ve heard nothing about breathalyzers from the Thompson government.

  3. Mobutu

    I want to commend Don Inniss for doing his bit to try to preserve the Bajan way of life in the face of expatriate-led hysteria about the enforcement of traffic laws.

    We do not need to follow the example of Canada, the USA and the UK–all of which are de facto police states, where law-abiding citizens are constantly harassed at Christmas time by hostile police at traffic checkpoints. I should not have to explain to some meddling cop why I am driving from A to B, or submit to the indignity of officers smelling my breath to see if I have had a drink. There will always be traffic fatalities, and with a rising standard of living, a growing population, and more demanding employers (who make us busier than ever), the number of cars on the road, and the number of road deaths will rise. That should not be an excuse to give up our common sense tradition of taking life easy in favour of an unforgiving, rule-bound strait-jacket existence that takes most of the fun out of the holidays. That is what you find in Canada and England, where everything is about rules and obedience.

  4. reality check

    sounds like the honorable Minister is well over .08

  5. Hants

    Driving drunk is wrong and dangerous.

    The Minister is wrong.
    People can’t be expected to use good judgement because we all can have monentary lapses.

    We have a problem in Barbados where we think we can hold we likka.

    We have a problem because rum is cheap. $750ml of rum is about $7US in Barbados.Same bottle of Mount Gay is $27US in Toronto.

    We do NEED breathlyzer legislaton and equipment and strict enforcement because it could save lives.

    Barbadians can adapt to the concept of having a non drinking designated driver.
    For the fellas there is a bonus. The ladies will think you are “so responsible and caring” and you “perform better” without likka in de system.

  6. rhubarb

    Please tell us of all the legislation already on the books! Whatever it is, it is not being enforced or there would not be so many drunk drivers on the Barbadian roads. Of course we need legislation, including provision for breathalyser testing. And we need real enforcement, including penalty points towards loss of licence and jail sentences when warranted.

  7. Green Monkey

    Just the other day myself and a few friends were having a discussion about a get together early on Boxing Day morning at a south coast beach for an early morning swim. The consensus was that it wouldn’t be a good idea to be traveling on our Bajan roads early Boxing Day morning because too many people would be driving home drunk after partying it up at Christmas holiday festivities the evening before. (Or maybe they were just were looking for an excuse not to have to get out of bed too early in the morning after some partying of their own.)

    However, my late father always used to advise family members to stay off the roads on bank holidays if at all possible, and if not keep eyes peeled for the the drunk drivers on the road.

  8. Sundowner

    The Ministers an idiot.
    We desperately need the breathalyzer bought in here, & the Police to enforce it, I really thing enforcing it will be the main problem.

  9. ac

    It seems to me that the Minister had one two many under his belt.when he made that statement . Who is he trying to appease?

  10. FLY TRAP

    Right on. This morning John was walking on the sidewalk and he threw a banana peel on the ground. Along came a young lady who slipped on the peel, fell and broke her neck. LET’S PASS A LAW ABOUT THROWING BANANA PEELS ON THE GROUND WE HAVE TO GUARD AGAINST THIS MOST DANGEROUS PRACTICE… MINIMUM FINE, 10 YEARS IN JAIL, AT LEAST.

    Then this evening, Jane was dumping her garbage when a guy on a motor cycle skidded, he fell and broke his neck, knocking Jane up-side-down and she broke her necktoo — both had to be rushed to FMH…

    LET’S PASS A LAW ABOUT DUMPING GARBAGE BETWEEN 6AM – 10PM AND RIDING MOTOR CYCLES EXCEPT BETWEEN THE HOURS OF MID-NIGHT AND 4am. BOTH OF THESE ARE MOST DANGERSOUS PRACTICES… MIMUMUM FINE, 10 YEARS IN JAIL, AT LEAST, FOR ANYONE CAUGHT DUMPING GARBAGE OR RIDING A MOTOR CYCLE OUTSIDE OF THE SPECIFIED HOURS..

    Meanwhile, let’s pretend the ZR problem does not exist. Dangerous driving by them, nasty music and the effect it has on school children and so forth is a mere misdemenor, a $20.00 fine is adequate… .

  11. Green Monkey

    Sundowner Says:

    The Ministers an idiot.
    We desperately need the breathalyzer bought in here, & the Police to enforce it, I really thing enforcing it will be the main problem.

    Especially when it is a politician that happens to be over the limit.

  12. Observer

    I LUV THIS MINISTER… But he is dead wrong on this one. I am currently drunk as a fish asnd there is NOT ONE LAW stoping in me from drinking and driving… my dearly beloved my wife is my designated driver because she NEVER drinks – for the last 30m years. BTW I was at Elliot Motley’s 70th this weekend and what a spread it was… Even the DJ got drunk.

  13. ac

    @Fly Trap
    The Statistics on deaths cause by drunk drivers should not be ignored and should not be taken lightly.

  14. peltdownman

    Mbeki’s government in S.Africa refused to acknowledge the existence of AIDS as a sexually transmitted disease – hundreds of thousands of S.Africans died unnecessarily as a result. Whilst not on the same scale, it reminds me a geat deal about the attitude of the Barbados government, both the current one and the last one. The last Minister of Transport says Bajan’s don’t get drunk, just tired! For goodness sake, surely one of the main jobs of government is to protect the people. They pass draconian legislation on Health and Safety in the workplace, where far fewer people are killed and injured than on the roads. We pay for a Defence Force to protect us from…….oh! But drinking and driving, which has been proven over and over again in many countries to cause death and injury on the road, just doesn’t matter in Barbados. I’ve heard the argument that it might effect tourism, which is absolute nonsense, because millions of Europeans flock to the Mediterranean countries for vacation, where the same breathalyser laws exist. Mobutu, you continue to “take life easy” until one of your loved ones is killed by a drunk – sorry “tired” driver.

  15. BFP

    Too right peltdownman!

    More Bajans are killed by drunk driving every year than are murdered.

  16. Crusoe

    mobutu says ‘expatriate-led hysteria about the enforcement of traffic laws’

    What???? Where did you get this bit of ‘wisdom?’. I know many, including myself who are local but upset that the driving here is reckless and drink makes it worse. Most of those cyclists etc are locals, some represent the island in international tournaments.

    You know what, leave it as is. You dont think some people will start taking things into their own hands?

    I would never do this, but imagine people taking the car numbers of those who cut them off etc. Then next time they see the car parked, ‘administering’ a form of retribution on the vehicle.

    Car repairs are expensive. As I said, I would never do this, but do you not think that some have thought of this and may act on it?

    If the authorities do not make the roads safer, people will do it themselves.

  17. izzmee

    I believe the Minister must be misquoted or dreaming. He cannot belive that the island does not need stricter drink driving rules. The breathalyser test is essential if we are going to make the roads safer for everyone. However, the law alone will not do it, the law must be applied and enforced to be effective. The Police must exercise their authority with respect but without favour or fear.
    Too many lives are being lost and there is too much pain and grief as a result. The cost to the health system is another factor. Get real Mr Minister, we cannot take this forward iof you are not behind it. Did you not recently go to Moscow to a conference on this same matter? was our money wasted sending you there? or was that another sight seeing exercise?
    Please …..

  18. Is This Donville Inniss?

    From BFP to the person who made this comment under the name “Donville Inniss”

    Dear Sir: Please email this comment to us from your official Ministry of Health email address and then we’ll know it is you and not some impostor. Our email address is barbadosfreepress@yahoo.com

    Thanks
    Cliverton, BFP

    COMMENT AS POSTED FOLLOWS…

    It is simply amazing how one individual can take a comment totally out of context and give it wings to fly in the face of foolishness. My comments were in no way related to breathanalyzers. In response to calls for laws to govern bicyclists and pedestrians vis-a-vis vehicular traffic, I made the comments that it is my considered opinion that we do not need new laws to dictate who can use our roads or how they should be used. what we need is for all road users to exercise great caution. I went on to stress that it is not unmanly to refuse a drink if out liming, or to leave your vehicle and take a cab if tired or intoxicated, or to pull off the road and sleep if tired. I further stated that our main hospital, especially orthopaedics dept, is heavily challenged as a result of indiscriminate road users. At no point in time have I publicly commented on the introduction of breathanalyzer machines into Barbados. The damage and cost to families and societies from reckless road use cannot be valued. Each person injured or killed is a love one, a breadwinner, a future leader or life snuffed out too early. Please get your facts straight readers before castigating a Minister. None of us are above criticism and I certainly welcome constructive criticism.

  19. I read the whole article and it is clear

    I read the whole article and it is clear from the context that Minister Inniss was talking about breathalizers when he said no new laws.

    In the advocate article the Minister is clearly talking about those who “choose to consume large amounts of alcohol or illegal drugs, that getting behind a motor vehicle is a major responsibility…” etc etc etc etc

    Did the reporter get it wrong? Let’s hear the Minister clearly say that he was misquoted because either the reporter is wrong or the Minister is.

    Nevermind if the reporter got it wrong. If Minister Inniss is here on BFP he can tell us what he thinks about breathalizyers or he can continue to pull the slippery politician statements that don’t mean nothing.

  20. RLL

    Mister Inniss must have a problem with the reporter because as the newspaper wrote the article the context is drunk drivers and we don’t need any new laws.

  21. West Side Davie

    I agree: Donville should cut the crap and the slippery words.

    Donville Inniss, I’ll make it really simple for you. Breathalyzers: Yes or No?

  22. Rumboy

    Half of Barbados would be in trouble at any one time.

  23. Hants

    Breathalyzer catch he.

    “A 15-year veteran of the Ontario Provincial Police has been accused of impaired driving while responding to a call near Smiths Falls on Saturday afternoon.”

    Only in Canader eh!

    http://ottawa.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090726/OTT_opp_charged_090726/20090726/?hub=OttawaHome

  24. Crusoe

    I suspect that is Minister Inniss. Well done Sir for your prompt reply and clearing the air.

    The Minister is an intelligent and approachable person, this is some confirmation.

    Nevertheless, we now need the Police and other authorities to follow through and address the issues on the roads i.e. reckless driving. They may be assisted by the urgent implementation of breathaliser use and more Police motorcycle patrols on the roads, not a big investment.

  25. Sing-a-song

    On reading the Advocate news article I do note that nowhere is the word “breathalyzer” mentioned. While I think the Minister is underestimating the impact of laws, I believe his point (however optimistic) is that inculcating a sense of personal responsibility among drivers may be a more critical component of any program to reduce accidents caused by driving under the influence of alcohol. Let me be clear, I strongly support the introduction of breathalyzers and associated laws. However on a practical level, given an understaffed and an under-resourced police force and a long standing cultural support for drinking and driving (as exemplified by the references to what is “manly behaviour”) I can see where the Minister is coming from. There are many Bajans (including some policemen) who are against breathalyzers and seem to argue that driving under the influence is NOT a big problem in Barbados! I have even heard a well known talk show host, while on air, question the need for breathalyzers. Laws work when there is near consensus on the objectives of the law. Where there is significant support for activity contrary to the law, enforcement is often frustrated e.g the ZR situation, illegal dumping of refuse, squatting on land designated as water zone1 areas, noise abatement (btw what about the Vaclause racecourse?) etc. So the Minister may well be right that a “massive education program” is what is needed. I will only add that for those obstinate and foolish few who will not heed the pleas to not drink and drive, there should be as full as is possible a set of legislative and police enforcement provisions such as the breathalyzer to make our roads safer.

  26. Not Gullible

    You rah rah DLP types are so gullible. The Minister’s quote about no new laws was directly in relation to the issue of drunken driving. Read it.

    He’s coming on Johnny lately trying to do some damage control, says the quote was about bicycle laws (!) and REFUSES to state his position on breathalyzers. Talk about suck and blow at the same time and Crusoe says Inniss “cleared the air”. Not by a long shot he didn’t. The Minister did the old greased politician “Slipped by that one, can’t pin me down” thing and I don’t accept that anymore.

    Minister Inniss did not clear the air. He only showed what a slippery fellow he is.

    Answer the question Minister: Breathalyzer, do you support it, yes or no?

  27. Nevermind Kurt

    “Prime Minister David Thompson, Attorney General Freundel Stuart and Minister of Transportation John Boyce did nothing in the past nineteen months to introduce breathalyzer laws and equipment to Barbados, or to stop the drunken slaughter on our roads every weekend that kills outright or cripples people for life and destroys faces, families and livelihoods.

    They have no reasonable excuse for not doing so.”

    The above is from one of the automatically linked articles by wordpress:

    Which DLP Government Official wrote this Barbados Advocate Editorial?

  28. Worried Driver

    I’m deeply concerned about our roads for the following reasons:
    1. Drivers speed through roundabouts and rarely give-way when they should

    2. Buses and other large vehicles are speeding along the highways and through roundabouts (I recently saw a bus and large truck speeding neck-and-neck towards the LOB roundabout to “jambust” around it)

    3. Pedestrians cross wherever they please.

    4. Pedestrian crossings are often placed so close to the roundabouts that they shall cause drivers to stop suddenly due to inconsiderate pedestrians.

    5. I often see people running a red light or breaking some other traffic law RIGHT NEXT TO a police van. I have no idea why the police did not give chase.

    6. There is a growing lack of faith in more stringent traffic laws. Hence, more and more cars with one headlight are out at night, cars with white and blue lights driving at night are now common, cars without license plates are becoming more common.

    7. The ministers and officials seem to have better things to do than enact laws to stem the flow of violence, injury and death on our roads.

    8. Drivers and pedestrians are ALREADY damaging other driver’s vehicles in an attempt to enact “their own justice”. They may be so compelled because they don’t think reporting it to the justice system will yield satisfactory results.

    9. The car dealers are still on the radio every morning as they try to get another car on the roads. Meanwhile, there are several drivers on the roads with VERY old cars which make me wonder how they pass the road-worthiness test.

    I really wonder if we need all these cars on our roads ALL THE TIME. Also, isn’t there a speed restriction on how fast buses and other large vehicles can travel? Those things are flying missiles filled with people!

  29. Donville Inniss

    I do not object to breathanalyzers being implemented in Barbados.

  30. Donville Inniss

    Breathanalyzers definitely can serve as a deterrent and can reduce some of the carnage on our streets. But less us not see that in itself as the sole solution to the problem. A totally sober person who drives at 120km on a 80km highway, or who seeks to overtake two cars and a bicyclist whilst approaching a corner is quite dangerous as well. Let us deal with the fundamental issue. We want to get wherever we are going as quickly as possible with no blocks in our way. Secondly, there is obviously a great lack of respect for others that permeates every bit of our society. So for all of you who champion breathanalyzers, continue to do so, but I trust each one of you is indeed a careful road user who respect the right of others to use our highways, sober as you may be!

  31. Huh?

    Mr. Inniss says “I do not object to breathanalyzers being implemented in Barbados”

    I think he means “breathalyzers” without putting the “breath” and the “anal” together! 🙂

    I don’t know that can be called support though no matter how you spell the machine.

    Nobody said that breathalyzers would be the “sole solution” to drunk driving. That is a straw man put up by the Minister for damage control of his original statements appearing in the press that he doesn’t contest or say the reporter got wrong.

    It doesn’t matter though because under the DLP government for the last two years the police have no way of telling the sobriety of a driver involved in a fatal crash. No law to compel the driver to prove his blood/alcohol content and no machines to test it.

    Look at it this way: In Barbados when there is a mass casualty bus accident, the driver can be drinking but unless he is falling down there is no charge. That is not speculation because we’ve had fatal bus accidents in the recent past and recent fatal auto accidents. Was the driver who killed Don Stoute “over 100” or “over 50” which is the standard in some countries? Thanks to the DLP we’ll never know.

  32. Laws are only good if they can be enforced.
    Everything Worried Driver said is so true.
    Attitudes need changing!

  33. Crusoe

    Thank you Minister.

    Please do note my second recommendation, that we need more motorcycle patrols. That will hopefully address some of the second issue i.e. ‘sober reckless driving’.

    How much do motorcycles and the relevant training cost the Police? Motorcycles are fast react vehicles, not to mention can be aquired substantially more cheaply than cars for Police.

    Surely this is worth a discussion with the Commissioner?

    Further, why not legislation to enable the Motorcycle traffic Police to issue immediate tickets for violations.

    Mke it easy on the Justice system. Have payment at any Police station or a post office.

    Then it will only be necessary to attend the Traffic Court for a serious violation or appeal against the ticket.

    Build a clause in the legisation that enables the Traffic Court to double the stipulated ‘on-road’ Police fine. That way, no one will appeal without basis.

    Finally, have the Motorcycle Traffic Police gain points for every violation processed, such that at year-end they have a ‘bonus pay’, based on a accumulated points.

  34. Fish Pot

    Plain and simple Manslaughter. Wait until it happens to some Big Up son or daughter, then we will see the law imposed. Only a matter of time.

  35. Johnny Postle

    Sometimes I wonder if politicians take the time to listen to the crap that comes out of their mouth.

    In almost every country in the world, the problem of drunk driving is responsible for a high percentage of road fatalities and accidents. Authorities world wide have tried to combat this scourge by implementing specific legislation and controls as a necessary deterrent. Now Mr Inniss is telling Barbados that the problem is the drivers who are not responsible enough. Mr Inniss I am sorry but your comments are the stuff that makes people refer to other people as jackasses. If everyone in Barbados and the whole wide world was responsible enough there would not be a need for any laws now would there?

    If you policitians, past and present, had spend some time improving the services of the Royal Barbados Police Force, the road net works and a ‘concrete’ system of justice that is not partial or partisan, instead of dabbling in selfish and greedy behaviours, a lot more could be done to combat the many ills and isms plaguing Barbados right now. Instead you sit back in your power seats and talk a bunch a bull; like another jack ass who said that the price of food was not that high and that Barbadians need not complain so much.

    I implore you to take sometime to contemplate responses before you verbally express a whole lot of tripe.

  36. BFP

    Crusoe says “Finally, have the Motorcycle Traffic Police gain points for every violation processed, such that at year-end they have a ‘bonus pay’, based on a accumulated points.”

    Crusoe, you really don’t get what it is to have independent, impartial police who enforce laws without having an interest in the outcome, do you?

    You’re not alone. 90% of Bajans haven’t a clue about real democracy or a real justice system.

  37. Crusoe

    BFP,

    Peoples, lets get real. Every business thrives on productivity bonuses.

    So, why should the Police be any different. If there was a productivity bonus for processing of violations, the Traffic Police would be like ‘gravy pon rice’.

    I only care about the outcome.

  38. BFP

    To Crusoe:

    You really don’t understand how foundational an independent police and judiciary are to democracy and freedom, do you?

    Hey… Are you Chief Justice Sir David Simmons? That would explain everything!

  39. Crusoe

    Oh lawd BFP. Why the wild allegations now? Cuh Dear, Man.

    Look, as I said, let us get real. If you do not offer the Police incentive, sure, they will book a few speedsters.

    On the other hand, looking at it practically, supposing the speeding fine was Bds$200, to be paid in the Post Office within two weeks.

    Now, I am NOT saying that a cop would accept this, but, just supposing some drivers started saying, hey skip, what say I give you a fifty and call it George?

    Man, the cop would do well enough.

    As I said, I am not saying the cop would take it, but a control in place is worth it, no?

    The control is having the Traffic cop’s year-end bonus paid on number of violations booked.

    So, instead of having a potential system flaw, you have a strength in the system.

    Just what is wrong with that?

    And if you cannot get what I am saying, then you are being difficult for the sake of being so.

    As for your questioning my understanding of independence, I understand that very well.

    Why do you think I write on blogs, ‘anonymously’?

    Too many in Bim are intertwined and meshed and answerable to others.

    As elsewhere, yes but we are smaller, so it counts.

    The issue of incentive for traffic Police is about logistics, not independence, it has absolutely nothing to do with independence, if you think it does, then YOU have problem in understanding such issues, not I.

    As for me being a member of officialdom, no. Why such a wild and spurrilous allegation?

    I am a simple lay citizen, who takes the time to analyse and discuss matters pertinent to the country, that is all.

  40. BFP

    Crusoe says “The control is having the Traffic cop’s year-end bonus paid on number of violations booked.

    So, instead of having a potential system flaw, you have a strength in the system.

    Just what is wrong with that?”

    BFP says to Crusoe: Perhaps we should also pay judges by the number of people they convict too?

    You really don’t get it Crusoe. It is no wonder that Bajan politics, democracy and government are in the shape they are in when otherwise literate folks like yourself don’t know the difference between right and wrong.

  41. Straight talk

    I agree with BFP on the dangers of incentivising individual officers, however Crusoe has probably read of currently cash strapped America, where traffic tickets have increased drastically in inverse proportion to dwindling city coffers.

    The solution maybe with a proved existing technology, fixed penalty tickets allied to speed camera evidence.
    Some individual cameras in the UK earn in excess of $4 million per year,
    a not inconsiderable sum in these tough times.

  42. Crusoe

    Oh, I know the difference between right and wrong. But I also accept the realities as they are. Comparing Police on the Traffic beat to Judges as you have done, is irrelevant.

    The judges are required to base opinions on the evidence presented in Court, except in criminal matters it is the jury deciding.

    The Traffic Cops ARE the originators or at least custodians of the very evidence itself.

    Besides, you want to solve the issue or not, or just sit like a spoiled child by the side of the road and gripe that nothing is being done?

    Would you not be happy seeing traffic cops riding the highways like sheriffs of old, ensuring that the roads are safe for yours and mine?

    I DO know the difference between right and wrong.

    Right is safe roads and happy people, wrong is unsafe roads and injured, maimed or those killed by foolishness.

    Priorities, mine being reality over semantics.

  43. BFP

    Well Crusoe, you’ve convinced us.

    Pay the police by the arrest, by the traffic ticket, by the number of times they lay charges of any kind.

    And watch what happens.

    (Sometimes ya just can’t talk no sense to a body.)

  44. ac

    @Crusoe.

    I don’t think so. Not a good idea, Too much of anything ain’t good in the hands of people especially when it comes to the law.However I do understand yuh frustration.

  45. Crusoe = Idiot

    God forbid that the Barbados Police should perform their tasks out of a sense of duty, responsibility and the fact that they swore an oath and took on the job!

    Bajan employers, customers and visitors have to contend every day with the attitude shown by Crusoe. It is a national disgrace.

  46. Crusoe

    So, you all did not understand that my first statement indicated the right to appeal to the Traffic Court, for a ticket for no basis?

    That way, there will be no abuse by the officers.

    Secondly, poster ‘Crusoe = Idiot’, what attitude are you referring to?

    An attitude to solve a problem, rather than gripe all day?

    As far as I know, griping is the issue, problem solving is what we need every day.

    I am a problem solver, not a ‘constant-complainer’ that provides nop solution.

    How exactly are YOU proposing to solve the issue?

    Assuming you have a solution?

    By the way, insults exemplify the mind of someone never able to provide analysis and solutions.

    Insults are easier for the likes of you.

    But, never worry, I have come across many with hot air and never a solution, YOU exemplify what employers, visitors and everyday Barbadians have to deal with.

    Change is hard for you, isn’t it?

  47. Crusoe

    BFP ‘Pay the police by the arrest, by the traffic ticket, by the number of times they lay charges of any kind.’

    That is your answer? Trivialise my recommendation, by warping what I said.

    Can you not analyse properly and rather provide a considered comeback?

    Go back, read what I recommended and the reality is different than your trivialisation.

    Both BFP and ‘Crusoe = Idiot’, provide a solution i.e. put up or…

  48. Crusoe = Idiot

    Crusoe wants to reward police officers for laying more traffic charges. “Finally, have the Motorcycle Traffic Police gain points for every violation processed, such that at year-end they have a ‘bonus pay’, based on a accumulated points.”

    The more charges the police lay, the more they are paid. That is Crusoe’s idea.

    BFP is correct. Crusoe hasn’t got a f*ing clue about why his idea is a threat to our justice system and individual freedoms. He is clueless. He really doesn’t know.

  49. Crusoe

    Again, read the whole of my post to understand my idea in context (or do you not know what the word means?).

    Again, as I asked what IS your solution??

    Or can you not provide one?

    The quick resort to insult tells a lot about a person’s mental capacity…or lack thereof.

    Due to your lack of providing a solution, unlike I have done and your propensity to insult and resort to cursewords as a primary means of communication, I have nothing more to respond to you.

    I have always been told ‘never try to argue with fools, they will bring you down to their level’.

    But, I prefer ‘ just do not argue with fools’, because I have no intention of stooping to your level.

    By your clear wallowing in use of insult and abusive language, you have well displayed yourself as a fool.

    Thank you for saving me much time in attempting to explain the issue any further.

  50. BFP

    Hi Crusoe,

    Marcus here.

    My solution to the traffic deaths and general mayhem would be the following…

    1/ Force politicians of any stripe to elevate the issue of law enforcement and personal safety – by continuing to embarrass and attack them on the world stage. Next to our sun and sand, safety is the main attraction for tourists. There’s nothing like the truth in public to bring about change. Like tomorrow’s BFP headline that will be something like: “Sixteen more seriously injured in two traffic accidents. Police cannot tell if drivers were drinking because Barbados has no breathalyzer laws or equipment”

    2/ Pay our police officers a living wage so intelligent persons will see policing as a viable career path. That will solve the 100 officers shy and can’t get any good ones problem.

    3/ Elevate the budget of the police to provide modern equipment and training standards.

    4/ Implement a police-wide and nationwide educational program to instill values that recognize the benefits, qualities and standards of an independent police force, the rule of law and an independent judiciary. This place is so corrupt that people don’t know what is acceptable anymore. Your thinking that we’ll pay police a bonus per ticket issued is destructive and contrary to every acceptable legal and democratic principle, but you just don’t know that. You are representative of the general problem in Barbados.

    5/ Have the Chief Justice retire immediately with full honours. Truth is he never should have accepted the post because it brought the entire judicial system into disrepute to have a senior politician move from politics into the position of senior judge. This corrupt politician even announced that he would carry on with changes he started as Attorney General in his new position of Chief Justice – thus immediately politicizing the post and the entire judiciary. The people immediately lost respect for the courts even if they couldn’t vocalize why that was so. The new Chief Justice must not be part of the political or business elites as David Simmons has been all his life.

    6/ Implement breathalyzer technology and laws, along with a public educational campaign on the laws and the costs of drinking and driving. We lose more people to drunk drivers than to murder but the politicians and the police don’t get it. Make them get it or fire their ass. We’re talking about cultural changes here and those take time, but it contrary to what some otherwise fairly intelligent people say: you CAN legislate morality and you can change public culture through legislation. Change the laws and the public consciousness will follow. If individuals do not wish to change their standards for drinking and driving, throw their asses in jail and seize their vehicles. If they drive again during a two year period of suspension, put their asses in jail for the remainder of the suspension. People will soon change their ways. We’re talking about preventing murder here. We’re talking about preventing the destruction of families, faces, bones and businesses. Drunk driving has reached unbelievable heights in Barbados even by Caribbean standards. This is the fault of the politicians and the police. Fire their asses.

    7/ Have Commissioner Dottin retire with full honours. I don’t know who, if anyone on the force, we could have as a professional commissioner of police but Dottin has done such a poor job that we couldn’t get much worse. Perhaps have one of the underlings sign a three year contract while we assess and groom someone for the future. Pick the best we have and send them away for 6 months of each year for the next three years to learn how professional policing organisations are run and to unlearn what they have to.

    8/ The new commissioner and the board must implement a long term strategy to create a professional policing organization out of what has become a bunch of uneducated rabble and thugs known as the RBPF. This will take time because things have been allowed to deteriorate so badly.

    That’s a start and it is sure a far more viable plan than paying police bonuses based upon how many people they charge.

  51. It would be a slippery slope paying policemen bonuses based upon how many people they charge.
    Think of driving in and around Cancun and you can be issued a ticket with charges for an offence you haven’t commited. Give the policemen some cash and there will be no ticket issued.
    I do hope for driving restrictions and speed limits.
    But I can’t see that happening either.
    Marcus, I like your idea of sending policemen away for proper training. Better yet, send the commissioner of police to learn how to train a proper police force.
    But as long as there are drivers here not taking laws and restrictions serious, nothing will change.

  52. Hants

    @ BFP Marcus “a bunch of uneducated rabble and thugs known as the RBPF”

    Did you write this sober?

    Coming from a Sanctimonius,literate,bastion of journalistic integrity like BFP that statement is shockingly disingenuous.

    I have an excuse for my linguistic ineptitude which is caused by my imbibing the products of Bajans and Scots.

    What is yours Marcus or you fall off de wagon an hit yuh head?

    You can’t tar the whole RBFP with the same brush.
    Rabble and thugs Marcus?

  53. BFP

    Hi Hants,

    Sometimes hyperbole is called for. Sometimes it strikes close to the truth.

    In all seriousness though, can we ask you to do a couple of paragraphs contrasting the police in Canada where ever you live and in Barbados? I’d love your thoughts on performance and integrity issues aside from some of the basic stuff like equipment, training education and employment standards. It would give me and some of the other readers an idea of how close our police come to whatever standard Canadians find acceptable. Thanks!

  54. BFP

    And while we’re at it, we have fresh reports that the Boscobel toll gang is still at it too. The RBPF don’t seem to be able to handle that one situation that is impacting directly upon tourism, and tourist safety.

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  57. Delano

    Hi, i am doing a Project at school on the Breathalyzer , we seriously need this technology to be enforced for use by the police, u probably know that the road networks in Barbados are ranked 12th according to the EIU (Economist Intelligence Unit) among the most crowded world networks in the world! Where it was stated that the number of people injured in road accidents equals per head of the overall population. I watched that video link and it really touched me, as any of those individuals could of been my family, friends or strangers for that matter, please, enforce the use of the breathalyzer before it is tooo late.

  58. rhubarb

    The only person who consistently talks sense about tourism in B’dos is Mr. Loveridge. Let’s ask him what he thinks about breathalyzer testing and whether our tourism would suffer by its introduction! What do you say, Mr. A.L?

  59. BFP

    Hey rhubarb, that is an excellent question for Loveridge. I have my answer but I’m going to wait for Adrian!

    Cliverton

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