Barbados Business Could Face Immigration Backlash Throughout Caribbean

Dear Barbados Free Press:

I will just state for the record that my job involves extensive travel throughout the Eastern Caribbean and I have been in the same job for over 11 years. Let me also state that I am for managed migration, however, I must admit that I have a soft spot for my Caribbean brothers and sisters having made genuine friends in all the EC countries that I visited, so much so I have the choice to stay at a friend’s home as opposed to a hotel when I visit my neighbours. Similarly I entertain at least 8 of my EC mates or their family every year for a week at a time.

Prime Minister Thompson’s announcement of am amnesty for all Undocumented CARICOM Nationals (I do not subscribe to the view that a human should ever be referred to as ILLEGAL) has not gone down well in any of the Caribbean countries I have visited since May 15th. Bajans have come in for a tongue lashing from all walks of the EC’s society – e.g. the taxi driver, the home helper, the call in programs, the politicians, the business people and others. I have found myself on the receiving end more often than not and I am beginning to sense that a dislike for Bajans like me and you is rapidly brewing and it genuinely concerns me.

In a nutshell I am hearing from OUTSIDE OF BARBADOS that the backlash is rooted in the following –

1. The amnesty sets unrealistic requirements. A radio call in host in St. Lucia noted that PM Thomson’s conditions (I suspect with time spent in Barbados) would disqualify more than 90% of Undocumented Immigrants here in Barbados. Therefore it is being suggested that PM Thompson’s amnesty was never intended to facilitate the Undocumented Immigrant to regularize his/ her stay in Barbados, rather it is believed by the wider Caribbean that it is more so intended to justify the mass deportation of Undocumented CARICOM Nationals come January 1, 2010.

2.    Barbados and Bajans encouraged many of these same very Undocumented Immigrants to come to Barbados to work over the last 16 years. As a result some of Guyana’s and St, Vincent’s most talented artisans left their home for greener pastures in our then booming construction sector; additionally others were readily employed by our middle and upper classes as maids and gardeners. How often you were at a cocktail party in the late 90s and the work ethic or roti making skills of the Guyanese maid was being praised? Others came to our shores as plantation workers while others were recruited as sex workers. However, now that the party is over these Undocumented guest of ours are expected to drop everything – including chattel and family and jump on the next plane home.

3.    The politicians, especially the PMs of St. Vincent and Guyana, are stirring up the flames of anti-Bajan sentiment in their respective countries. I have little doubt that such a move is meant to distract from their impoverished economies, respectively.

4.    A middle class Grenadian business man reminded me in no uncertain terms that Barbados depends on her CARICOM neighbours for almost 60% of our exports. And how we are ungrateful “sycophants”. And if we don’t watch it our exports were going to suffer. He and others were of the opinion that we should go easy on our CARICOM brothers/ sisters because our manufacturing sector could not survive without CARICOM.

5.    A St. Lucian taxi driver reminded me that CO Williams Construction, SAGICOR and Almond Resorts St. Lucia were Barbadian companies who were making lots of money in St. Lucia while there were no St. Lucian companies of note that were allowed to exist in Barbados. Again he thought that PM Thompson was undermining and taking for granted the good bilateral relationship that existed between St. Lucia and Barbados for years by announcing “such a callous immigration policy”.

6.    The Caribbean media have reported the Gestapo like raids on undocumented immigrants quoting individuals who stated that they were awoken in the middle of the night by Sergeant PC Brooms and a very caustic immigration officer not caring what was to happen to their belongings once they were escorted off the premises.

7.    Many are accusing us as being short sighted pointing out that in the early half of the 20th century Bajans travelled without restrictions throughout the Caribbean in search of gainful employment.

PLEASE DON’T SHOOT THE MESSENGER / OBSERVER.

If we don’t bring a more realistic and human face to dealing with our Undocumented CARICOM neighbours Barbados could face a serious irreversible and potentially economically crippling backlash.

I would be first to admit that I have a vested interest in Barbados being perceived as being a kinder and gentler nation. My livelihood in intricately connected to doing business with our Eastern Caribbean neighbours, however, I must point out that if I fail to meet my targets over 30 Bajans could be on the bread line adding to the drain on our social security services. While my failure will in turn affect over 100 persons (including immediate family members), however, with my limited knowledge I can see our recently announced immigration policy resulting in:

1.    Possibly 1000s of Bajan manufacturing jobs being threatened
2.    A reduced number of CARICOM nationals choosing Barbados as their holiday/ shopping destination
3.    Reduced opportunity for our professionals – e.g. accountants, quantity surveyors, engineers, lawyers, pilots – getting jobs in the Eastern Caribbean
4.    Reduced business opportunities for our companies and businesses in the Eastern Caribbean. Right now the Williams group of companies have recently completed a water desalination plant in St. Kitts.
5.    Reduced number of CARICOM nationals travelling to Barbados for Crop Over/ Jazz Festival/ Cricket/ etc.
6.    Reduced number of EC Governments paying for their nationals to come to Barbados for medical test and care
7.    Reduced number of EC countries coming to our rescue in the face of a national disaster/ crisis – e.g. hurricane, tsunami, social disturbance (Prison riots)
8.    Our fishermen may be increasingly harassed if they ventured into the territorial waters of our increasingly unfriendly CARICOM neighbours.
9.    We may no longer be a hub for air transport into the EC.
10.    Our nominees for UN/ OAS/ FAO/ PAHO/ CCJ and other appointments may no longer be guaranteed the support of the EC
11.    UWI Cave Hill may see less and less EC nationals entering its doors.
12.    Our regional companies – Goddards and Cave Shepherds – may find it increasingly difficult to do business in the EC

I was once told for every action one should always be prepared for an equal and opposite reaction. I do think that most Bajans supporting PM Thompson’s immigration policy are unaware of the possible consequences of the reactions by our EC neighbours who rightly or wrongly feel hurt that a CARICOM brother/ sister in Barbados would devise a policy that on the surface, at least, seems inhumane and unjust.

A Very Concerned Bajan

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54 responses to “Barbados Business Could Face Immigration Backlash Throughout Caribbean

  1. Sargeant

    There are many points in your article to consider so I can’t touch them all but one of the most obvious. The taxi driver who complained about Barbados companies operating in St. Lucia, Isn’t that desirable? Are those companies employing St. Lucians? Are there any St. Lucian companies willing to take over if they kick out the Bajans?. Any St. Lucian company is free to set up shop in Barbados, they can ask the Trinis for advice on that front.

    Nest time you see that Taxi driver tell him to make sure his brain is engaged before putting his mouth in gear

  2. Worried

    Hi;
    I have been trying to get us Bajans to focus on what the amnesty really says. It does not say that all undocumented workers in Barbados have six months to regularised their status as the media keeps reporting. It says if you have been in Barbados for 8 or more years. I keep pointing out that this group of persons is not in the majority. I keep stating that the bundle of non caricom nationals came into this country leading up to world cup and the building on the west coast after 2004. Therefore if they are 30000 non caricom nationals in this country, I would think that more than 20000 of them are not affected by the amnesty.
    My question therefore is exactly how are we going to deal with these? Is it these who are being rounded up and deported or asked to leave?
    My thing is that if we are only going to ask to leave or deport 4 or 5 hundred persons, we have not solved what bajans are saying is the problem.
    Further, what have we done at the immigration department itself to make it ready to handle this new policy. Certainly how the department is operating now cannot be allowed to continue..and I am talking about the offices in Bridgetown…..
    Any answers?

  3. Rumboy

    Absolutely true.

  4. I totally argee with you Sargeant, because when I read that statement about what the Taxi driver said, it never meant any sense to me at all. St.Lucia does not have anything that Barbados and Barbadians need and want, they need us that is why we are there helping them. They asked us to help them to build up their country because, they want to be so much like Barbados and Barbadians. And, Bajans are good people we help them, and they trying to bite the hand that is feeding them. I want all the Bajans to watch out for St.Lucians because they are trying to steal, and copy from us, so we have to be extremely careful doing anything for those people. We cannot allow these people to come and destroy our Bajan way of life. If it wasn’t for Bajans, St.Lucia would have nothing. Also, Barbados is also doing alot for other islands as well but, they don’t want us to know that. Again, we bajans are modernizing St.Lucia by building their roads, hotels, companies and the lists goes on for miles. If the United States Of America, Canada, England and other countries throw out illegal people, why are the other so call Caricom countries upset. I’m telling everyone the God to honest truth. Most of the islands think they are better than the other, that is why we will never have any unity between us. Also, most of the other islands feel and think the way Barbados does about illegal people, I know because, I have talk face to face with many of them and they have complained and yes most of them are not Bajans, they are from the same countries that are complaining. Barbados happens to be the only country that has the guts to do something about it. I support my Barbadian P.M. 100% and more. Also, Barbados will not have any problems with other Caricom countries because they need us and even more than we need them so don’t fool yourself and others and certainly do not let others fool you. Barbados might be small but it is a very mighty small and that is no joke and no lie.

  5. Bajan

    A very interesting perspective on this immigration issue.Many of the concerns highlighted are legitimate and should be taken into consideration.

    I wonder if anyone remembers when Julie’N Supermarket set up a supermarket in St Lucia in the 1980’s and the same St Lucians protested vehemently.They boycotted the supermarket and that resulted in Neville Rowe pulling out of St Lucia.

    It seems everybody is ganging up on Barbados and wants to dictate to us what we should or should not do to manage the inflows of illegal CARICOM nationals.We do not have to accept anybody from any CARICOM state because we are a member.We have the right to determine who we want to visit or live in Barbados.

    Barbados should seriously consider withdrawing from CARICOM,CSME & all other Caribbean arrangements.We have little to gain and much more to lose.

    Barbados economy is structure in such a way that we could maintain our standard of living with the few thusand tourist that visit our country yearly.We are no big exporter of anything and we cannot influence the world in any business venture whatsoever.

    Barbados does not need the rest of the Caribbean to survive.

  6. First of all, I do not know why you signed in as Worried! You mark my words or not Barbados and Barbadians does not and I repeat does not have anything and anyone to be afraid of and to worry about. And are you a Barbadian by birth because I still don’t see why you as an individual is worried and especially if you are a Barbadian. In answer to your question, every individual regardless of if you are a Barbadian or not or you like it or not, you have to follow the LAW of that gov’t. Even North America and European Countries operate that way, sad to say it but it is the truth. Because Barbados is small makes it no exception. Every gov’t in the world including your own has to do what is always best for it’s citizens especially those that are born there. As, you see the US is still having great problems with illegal Mexicans, and we know how Americans always watch out for their own. Again, Barbadians are no exception, and neither are the other Caricom countries. I hope what they are saying about the immigration department is not true, in how they are treating the illegal immigrants, as Christians you treat others the way you want to be treated. And the immigration department is the gov’t so they do what they have to do. I’m a bajan living in Canada and there are alot of matters that go on here that I’m against but there is only so much that anyone can do. The other Caricom gov’ts should stop focusing on Barbados and focus on their own country and try to learn from what is going on, so they can make things better in the country for their citizens as Barbados is doing and other countries in the world. See the positive and work honestly and fairly and Godly to make life better for your fellow man and woman in your country and the world.

  7. Worried

    Shelly:
    I am worried exactly because of the perspective you espoused. You still have not told me exactly how we are going to rid Barbados of the 20 thousand or more undocumented caricom nationals. If in two months we have only gotten rid of lets say 50, then i need to understand what is the system in place to get rid of the rest, that’s all i am asking? In other words, if we are trying to get to the stage where we manage migration, how are we to get there? I am not too interested in what the rest of the caricom is saying at this time, I just want to ensure that we are able to carry out effectively this plan and don’t have to come back to this problem for a long time, if ever.

  8. Anon

    You and Barbados Free Press appear to want a free for all here in Barbados.

    It is not going to happen.

    As a Barbadian you should be representing Barbados not encouraging foolish talk.

    Just as in England, Barbados laws must be respected by all, caricom or not.

  9. Underdog

    It’s very simple. “Undocumented” persons always knew they were here illegally. This is nothing new. This has always been the law. The problem is the length of time Barbados has taken to enforce the law. The question should be: “why was the law not being enforced before?” If you start wrong, you will surely end wrong.

  10. kiki

    I agree that barbados is drifting in the wrong (right wing) direction which will have a negative backlash.
    Fix up the community as a first priority

  11. A Mottley Group

    Maybe the likes of Ricky Singh and Roxanne Gibbs should have listened to recently concluded Prime Ministers Press Conference from Guyana.

    There is no reason to create fear and scare tactics but let me say if you know that you are living, eating, drinking and using the health facilities of Barbados among other, and you are not legal here, you should not be surprised to get a visit and be asked to leave.

    Why is it that no one is flooding Guyana with arrivals???

    Maybe they ought to see why this is not happening and ask themselves WHY??????

  12. Hants

    Sargeant you are correct.

  13. Hants

    Lets us all hope this recession ends soon.
    If nor….

    Imagine thousands of immigrants losing their jobs and unable to collect nis or welfare.

    They will have very little savings as they usually send their money back home.

    They have no money to pay a doctor if they get sick and their landlords can’t collect rent.

    That is why it is important for Barbados to deal with the illegal immigration problem now.

  14. de gap

    “Between a rock and a hard place”

    The PM has made his bed and we’ll have to lie in it. While he distracted the electorate with his “foreigner” propaganda and won the election, the Bajan economy was sacrificed on the alter of political expediency. We are a net exporter to many of these countries, so any meaningful boycott could lead directly to higher unemployment in Bim. Even the much maligned St. Lucian taxi driver understands that.

    However, I’m not as concerned as “A Very Concerned Bajan”. The Leeward Islands (Antigua, St. Christopher, Nevis, Anguilla, and Montserrat) to varying degrees have adopted Thompson’s policy, and they are probably more Bajans living in the Leeward Islands than Leeward Islanders living in Bim, so I don’t see a ground swell of Anti-Bajan sentiment coming from the Leeward Islands. The Windward Islands and Guyana will be the hot bed of the Anti-Bajan sentiment because they have the most to lose.

  15. oh come on

    all this talk, people are tap dancing around the issue

    if you are NOT breaking the rules as it is in regards to the immigration policy of barbados, you have nothing to worry about. why is this so hard to understand? can i go to guyana and break the law and get sympathy? can i do it in any caricom member state?

    if you are here ILLEGALLY, go home

    all government is saying is if you know you are breaking the law, go home, and all i hearing is about the poor immigrants that leave their hometown in search of a better life. if you cant conduct a debate or argument without trying to play on ppl’s heart strings i think you should give up. and bajans all up in the do to, dont yall realise that illegal immigrants are TRICKING the government by not returning? they come in on the guise of vacation or work permits and refuse to leave when the time is up?

    instead of using words like poor, sympathy, humanity, feeding family, better life etc.

    during this whole debate i would like words like ILLEGAL, Tricking, deceit, burden etc used. which is the real crux of the matter. i have nothing against immigration or immigrants but it makes my blood boil that they are illegal immigrants in barbados tricking us and our government.

  16. Hants

    oh come on’

    I have posted on this blog that an ILLEGAL immigrant deserves humane treatment but must be deported unless their status is regularised.

    Our Caribbean neighbours are well aware of how small Barbados really is.

    One of my Trini friends even asks jokingly if “Barbados has an Airport or if we need a sea plane.”
    “You need a car with good brakes cause by the time you get to 3rd gear you have already crossed the Island.”

    The point is that Guyana can hold another million people. So can Jamaica and Trinidad.

    Yet evah body waan squeeze in de lihul spec on de map.

    Most Bajans went to school so they understand what the word ILLEGAL means.

  17. oh come on

    if they know what illegal means why is there dialog on the prime minister’s action on managing immigration? why are comments made as if barbados is actively restricting the movement of foreigners in bim?

    if this is a debate solely on the treatment of these illegal immigrants DURING deportation then i apologise as i have misinterpretted certain comments on this blog and in the media, but the gist that i am getting is that ppl think thompson is wrong for implementing such measures

  18. Pat

    @Bajan:

    Very well said. I think the article was written by a Guyanese or Guyanese sympathiser. All emotion and negativity. No patriotism.

  19. 252

    Thompson is going to face a backlash of some kind. While theoretically he’s right that Barbados Domestic immigration policy is not any of the Caribbean Heads of Governments’ business they will respond that the treatment of their nationals IS there business. 2 AM raids and deportations (or being “asked to leave”) are going to get peoples backs up.

    The law is on Thompson’s side, but this is not really just a matter of law. Thompson needs to be concerned because the Caribbean market is 60% of our exports and a very large market for Caribbean visitors. Perceptions in this case matter. If we pretend otherwise we are simply fooling ourselves.

  20. Lady Anon

    We also cannot be seen as being held to ransom. It is a very precarious position that we are currently in. We are really damned if we do or damned if we don’t.

    We damned anyway, so stick with the plan.

  21. Anon

    Don’t forget to place the blame for this mess where it belongs, at the door step at of Owen Arthur and the Barbados Labour Party.

    I always knew that Barbadians would curse Owen Arthur.

  22. Anon

    “…..the Caribbean market is 60% of our exports…..”

    Again Owen Arthur and the Barbados Labour Party’s fault.

    Any good businessman knows that his business should not be dependant on one source for more than 20% of his revenue. His revenue base ought to be as diverse as possible to mitigate against shocks.

    The same ought to have been done by the business called Barbados exports. What the stupid Barbados Labour Party did was they put almost all our eggs in one basket. The Jamaicans were not this daft. Caricom represents a mere 3% of Jamaican exports, their export portfolio is far more diverse than ours and with good reason.

  23. Legal Immigrant

    I fully support DJ Thompson on his immigration policy. However, I suspect that BDS is going to be made to pay for our immigration policy. No one friom the OECS is obligated to come to BDS for their holiday. No one from the OECS is obligated to purchase our Pine Hill products. While we should not be held to ransom wec have to be pragmatic at the same time.

  24. Anonymous

    ““…..the Caribbean market is 60% of our exports…..”

    Again Owen Arthur and the Barbados Labour Party’s fault.”

    What an idi0t!

  25. Cheryl

    The other Caribbean Islands need Barbados more than we need them you better believe that. Most of the concerns are coming from person with few skills and persons who do not respect the rule of law. Its like lowering the bar to accept mediocrity and serve as distract for these countries internal problems. I am the least bothered we also export mucho US dollars to these countries so let them boycott Basrbados.

  26. Cheryl

    Caricom will destroy Barbados look at Dominica, Antigua,Grenada and St.Vincent all join ALBAS. We need to keep our head on our progress will be retarded if we compromise our sovierngty.

  27. ace

    OWEN ARTHUR is a great !

  28. sylvan

    my friend, what you are experiencing is nothing new. Barbados and Bajans have always been hated in the Caribbean. It is envy, pure envy. They call us bullers, wickers, arrogant, all sort of nasty names. they rejoiced in 1992 when they thought our economy was about to collapse. Robberies were set up to run Julie’N out of St Lucia. Check history, my friend.

  29. sylvan

    don’t mind the talk of not buying Bajan exports. Bajans can also stop buying beer and other products from St Lucia, rice and flour from St Vincent,toilet paper from Grenada, also their fruits and provisions. We export to them and they export to us. They visit Barbados on holiday and we Bajans visit them on holiday. so it is not that they doing barbados a favour. if they want to play tough, we can play tough. Their economies are not as strong as ours. So let them try to hurt us.

  30. Lady Anon

    …is a great what? Oh I guess it is up to us to fill in the blanks…

  31. Old Man

    Makes good sense. We both pull the plug on each other. There is no hope for the world much less Caribbean integration.

  32. PiedPiper

    supporter of the rum industry?

  33. Old Man

    PP: You have no respect for an Ex PM. Behave yourself.

  34. Anonymous

    I understand all you are saying Shelly because I know for a fact base on experience. All you need to do is visit Julie’anns supermart in St luica and you would think you were in Julie’n Barbados when it operated, We taught them how to effectively setup and manage a supermarket, they shot us up rob us and got us out and now they are reapping the sweets.

  35. Anonymous

    Bajan your comments about the reason why Julie’n pulled out of St. Luica is incorrect, believe me i have all the facts, and the year the Supermarket was setup was in 1993 and not the 80’s

  36. Jack Bowman

    Another fascinating thing about the immigration discussion in Barbados—apart from the fact that absolutely nobody has any numbers and therefore everybody with a confirmed written opinion is, at best, an uninformed dick—is the extent to which the discussion has uncovered the startling racism of Barbadian “culture”.

    Over recent weeks it has been fascinating to watch the undisguised glee of Bajans (in the press, on this blog, on Barbados Underground—many of whose commentators would have felt at home in Berlin in 1940, had they been white) at the news of deportations.

    Obviously, it is very unfair on BFP to quote a comment from a regular and regularly subliterate contributor to Barbados Underground.

    But here we go. June 29 at 4:46 pm, BU: “Sir Shridath Ramphal is talking abou [sic] ethnic cleansing. Yes I support ethnic cleansing. Barbados must be cleanse [sic].

    The historical illiteracy of that subliterate statement breaks your brain, but it’s the utter lack of a moral imagination that breaks your heart.

    May that contributor’s god forgive him. And may we all be saved, always, from subliterate racist fools.

  37. Eyes Wide Open

    As a matter of fact…..if anyone anywhere in the world does anything that is against a country’s law, it is illegal. So….if I am allowed to enter a country and stay in that country for, let’s say 1 month, as a tourist/visitor and not allowed to engage in any type of work…am I not an illegal immigrant? Of course I am. I’m breaking that country’s immigration laws….so there is nothing wrong with the term Illegal Immigrant.

    There are cities, like New York for example, that would not function without Illegal Immigrants. Not every country sees them as a pest. They are often needed, hence the amnesty’s given to Illegal Immigrants in certain countries. Amnesty’s are not give because the government feels sorry for these immigrants, although the term amnesty might give that impression.

  38. King Dyall

    We Caribbean nationals are West Indian ONLY when Cricket is playing. We see McFingal in Guyana, Gravy in Barbados and a few of us are going to be in SLU this Sunday rooting for the West Indies.

    However, as pointed out by the author of this post we applied the Four Fs principle to the illegal immigrants. We Found them (many Bajan recruiters travelled to Guyana to recruit them), We Fooled them into resettling in Bim, We F$%êd them by paying them comparatively low wages, housed them in poor housing conditions and now we are Forgetting (i.e. abandoning) them. I am not surprised because we Bajans have increasingly become increasingly callous in our approach to our own flesh and blood – think about this how many elderly relatives are abandoned at the QEH in any single year? The answer: a lot more that our forefathers abandoned a mere 30+ years ago. How would it feel if someone invited one of your children to NYC to stay at their home while they attended college, however, for one reason or the other things did not work out and your child was unceremoniously ejected. As a matter of fact they were not only ejected but ejected without nothing more than the clothes on their back.

  39. Yellow Bird

    How would a radio host be able to comment that more than 90% of undocumented immigrants would be disadvantaged, when our own Immigration and government officials do not have the relevant statistics!! A lot of these comments are just rhetoric. Barbadians were not the only travellers in the early 20th century, Caribbean people on the whole are a migratory people. My father (rest his soul) was originally from St. Lucia. Several of us can identify persons from the region in our family tree. The fact remains there has never been any regional political arrangement that allowed the free movement of people. There are stipulations on how we can travel and we have to abide by these regulations! PERIOD!

  40. skinteeth

    The article in today’s Nation about the poor lady that was humiliated by the NIS tribunal just left me shaking my head. Is this what we have become ? We wave the flag, conjure numbers to satisfy our own views, make profound statements about rule of the law, and worse yet some of us pomp our backsides in other countries and pontificate and right in front of us , we have become indifferent to our own suffering.

  41. Eyes Wide Open

    I totally agree with you Yellow Bird when you say “There are stipulations on how we can travel and we have to abide by these regulations! PERIOD!” …..and whoever doesn’t abide by each country’s regulations is an illegal immigrant, and NOT an undocumented immigrant. Who coined that term anyway? Undocumented Immigrant! How can one be an immigrant without being documented??????????????

  42. King Dyall

    Undocumented vs. Illegal = Splitting of hairs. On the other hand if one is splitting hairs on a very appreciated/ desirable area of the female anatomy there may be little objection to such.

  43. hell in bim

    over 1000 kids have bajan moms and Guyanese fathers when their illegal tails get deported we still have to help them with taxpayers money

  44. kiki

    The Arawaks was there first before the pirates came

  45. art

    Yes- it is good you are listening to one of the best rasta bands out of Jamaica. This album is one of their best. It is a great pity that they are no longer.

    Apparently there have been 2 waves of colonisations in Barbados by migratory Amerindian nomads if what was told by friends is correct: one 500 years ago, just prior to the present colonisation; and one about 1500 years ago. If you look on the ground in the dry season you will see the evidence of their being here in masny, many places.

    In other Caribbean islands the traces of human settlement go back over 2000 years.

    Oldest living civilisations on Earth date back only 5-6000 years so to have a migration and culture from 3000 years ago in the Caribbean islands- this is phenomenal- it should be represented more extensively at the Barbados Museum. It is most interesting.

    On topic (because you pushing me):
    I do not like the racism in the local blog discussions, not so much here,, but I think I really should name the source of it: Barbados Undergrouond. There seem to be more racists there than defenders against it.

    If Barbados were to do violence against the immigrant innocents, who are here to try to make a living, it will be highly attributable to those who didn’t care enough to understand their racism, or others’ racism,,,, and to correct it. The blogs will have to take the lion’s portion of the blame.

    And what really has me about this fascism on the blogs and BU, is that I feel that it is run by some people close to the ruling DLP party.

    Ask for integrity, but/and you get fascism.

    Is this the alternative to corruption in the public sector?

    Are the blogs separate from the MPs and this mine only a perception?

    Maybe corruption is better?

  46. art

    Corr:
    If Barbados were to do violence against the immigrant innocents, who are here to try to make a living, it will be highly attributable to those who didn’t care enough to understand their OWN racism,

  47. King Dyall

    There is no simple solution to the illegal immigrant issue. I must admit that Thompson et al never bargained for the fall out that followed his recent immigration policy. If memory serves me correctly Thompson initially hinted that he was willing to go soft (no pun intended) on illegal’s who had three or more kids – what does this mean those illegals who have less than three kids are less connected to Barbados? This issue is full of permutations and goes well beyond our current immigration laws. Actually the laws have to do a lot of evolving in order to catch up with the spectrum of immigration issues that confront us as a nation and as a people.

  48. art

    Here it is the way I , J. Q. Public, see it:

    Elected on a ticket of elimination of corruption and getting the country on the right foot, after the rampant wastage and pork barrel corruption of the past administration (now defunct, but as yet unpunished for misdeeds) and utilising the invaluable services of many (including me!) to change the government on the blog media in view of the pereceived corruption, but now using it as a mischievious tool for obfuscation, e.g. at Barbados Underground; the incumbents have::::::

    1)Promoted racism

    2) wasted the public’s time by blogging instead of working

    3) Refused to bring anti-Corruption laws

    4) Have shown disunity within their ranks.

    Time for the PM to read these blogsters and aspiring gangsters (who are no better than the corrupt ones we voted out) the riot act!

    I see Maxine McClean trying to smooth the troubled waters for those FOOLS that we have have created. But Maxine can’t stop them.

    Obfuscation and wickedness, true, and I can only stand up and tell the world today:

    the truth, the whole truth,,,,,,and nothing but……

    THE TRUTH!

    But we are continuing to watch; and as elections begin to draw near I foresee that this may well turn out to be a one term government.

    It hasn’t addressed the ticketed election promise of anti-corruption concerns. In fact it is showing signs of being just as corrupt as the last.

    Half of Dem does probably spend the day blogging. And using it as a shield while they work towards our public assets, to which they feel entitled.

    Henry

    Chupse. None of no one would address what I wrote above about the racism?

    This is how people starting to look at you all. I am only a reflection of ourselves.

    The Lord done come for Kathleen, a wonderefully talented hard-working Guyanese woman. Lord why her, she was good and she was not finished doing your work?

    She served us so well here in Barbados. RIP Miss Drayton, we will sorely miss what you have done without protest or complaint –> for us in Barbados.

  49. King Dyall

    ? Kathleen Drayton was from T&T I think. However, your point is well made.

  50. Observer

    I am not from Barbados, and I do not live there. So my perspective is well and truly that of an outsider.

    I have been reading the posts on this blog, and I find many of the views that have been expressed interesting. But, of all of them, this is the one that to me seems most appropriate for me to comment on.

    Hants, I agree with what you’ve said. The reality is that Barbados, like any other place in the world, can only accommodate so many people. Everyone cannot be allowed to go there in search of a better life. If that is allowed, there is guaranteed to be a worse life for everybody there, including those who were there from the beginning and did not have to come there from other shores, whether distant or nearby.

    My point – the government of Barbados has a responsiblity first and foremost to its citizens. When the essential needs of those persons are met, then Barbados can legitimately look to assist visitors. Of course, priority should be given to those who have something to contribute to wider Bajan society so that, in making a “better life” for themselves, they are simultaneously helping to make a better life for the entire society. But, the reality appears to be that most of those relocate to Barbados are enticed by the prospect of free education and healthcare, as well as other benefits afforded there i.e. they come to benefit from what Barbados has been able to achieve through a discipline that in many instances the leaders and general populations of their homelands have been consistently unable to exhibit or sustain.

    I will stay away from talking about the inputs of Caribbean neighbours and others in the stability that Barbados boasts. I’m not qualified to speak on those issues, and in any event that is not the central issue here, as I see it.

    I will say, though, that those enforcing the law in Barbados must remember that the prosperity of their homeland does not give them the right to treat those who may be in breach of the laws as less than human.

    I will leave it there.

  51. – The rest of Caricom needs Bim more than Bim needs Caricom? Really?
    – Dear Worried, you should change your moniker to Confused. The new policy states if you are living in Barbados for eight years or more PRIOR to December 31, 2005 then you are entitled to regularised status. If by your argument the majority came in around 2004 then they obviously won’t have clocked eight years now would they? What the policy is saying is that you have to notch up at least 12 years as an “undocumented immigrant” to qualify for regularisation. So no need to worry, they’ll be going home in droves.
    – Bajan – you’re obviously not very familiar with the commitments our dear leaders made under the CSME which covers free movement. You ought to be aware since Barbados has lead responsibility for the CSME.
    – De gap – there is no hotbed of anti-Bajan sentiment in Guyana. Guyanese have been putting up with the Bajan immigration experience for over a decade and there is no groundswell of anti-Barbadian anything. Rather, there is the general feeling that the government in Georgetown should be doing more for Guyanese at home. Of course there will be instances of discontent and the media with their agenda. In case it wasn’t obvious before I’m a Guyanese residing in Guyana.
    – Observer –you touched on the heart of the matter as has been articulated by the Guyanese president – while no country can determine another’s immigration policy it is the way it is implemented that matters. Rustling up people in the middle of the night and having them deported without settling their affairs does seem a tad uncaring. PM Thompson at a press conference in Guyana admitted that it was a tough stance but said that they had to act when they thought people were home. What he did not answer was why they were being deported if they had until December 1 to get themselves regularised.
    My stance is that PM Thompson is well within his right to enforce the new policy since illegal is illegal is illegal. Caricom is moving towards full free movement of people but nowhere in the Treaty does it speak of illegals. And as he pointed out at the press conference, there is no amnesty for non-Caricom migrants. I think setting the qualification ceiling at 12 years was a smart move from a national political perspective but not being in Barbados I’m hesitant to comment on its likely social impact. In conclusion, Barbados committed itself to being part of the CSME and as such should be mindful of the pledges it made. These are tough economic times and hard decisions will have to be made so the leaders of each nation will have to decide on how best to pilot their countries in keeping with their Caricom commitments and their national good. Politics is essentially about compromise and I’m sure they’ll find a way.

    My apologies for the lengthiness.

  52. Wow, some of you guys better wake up to who you really are !!! First and foremost, there is no Bajan super race in the Caribbean, just one human race.
    Everybody, regardless of their background or status should be treated with understanding and respect. What about all the families which are going to be broken up ? Are you people so cold and brainwashed ? Still jumping hoops for massa, and worshipping the ground he walks on. Go on give him your best real estate, best beaches, best hospitality. Carry on with your house slave mentality. Of course the rest of your Caribbean brothers and sisters are worthless to you, so why not treat them disgracefully ? After all you are massa’s favoured slaves are’nt you ?