Four Shot At Football Match As Thousands Run For Their Lives: Jamaica? Guyana? No… Barbados!!!

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The Barbados Advocate and the Nation call the shootings an “incident”.

We call it Barbados out of control – the natural result of what happens when you combine no rule of law with no effective police force and a top-down culture of corruption in government that has permeated everyday life.

It looks to us like 15 years of starvation wages for the Royal Barbados Police Force and 15 years of corrupt governments are the chickens that are coming home to roost.

Read it and weep…

CBC: Guyanese Killed, Four Men Shot

Nation: Shots Fired At Football Match

Barbados Advocate: Police Investigating Incidents

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65 responses to “Four Shot At Football Match As Thousands Run For Their Lives: Jamaica? Guyana? No… Barbados!!!

  1. Chicago

    Whatever happened to the Barbados I remember?

  2. me

    Call de Police that y’all always bad talking

  3. To be fair the incidents of crime is on the rise but it is a relative situation isn’t it? Certainly it is unrealistic to compare the crime situation in Barbados to that of Guyana and Jamaica. That is a stretch.

    Gun violence is always associated with drugs which is a problem which all countries face. In the case of Barbados which has operated with an open door immigration policy for many years this would have escalated the problem in our opinion.

    The fact is there has always been violence at these football games. it is nothing new. Football is a mass based sport and usually attract the idiots.

    We have to be very careful how we make conclusions which in this case we believe are extreme.

  4. paul sealy

    “Bajan bad boys don’t tek cheque like bank teller,the safety must pop off the Haskella”

  5. Stressed Out

    Which field is Orange Hill???

  6. San Diego

    Up the hill from Lancaster, St. James, going towards Endeavour, Baywoods and on to Gregg Farm. Hope that helps.

  7. Me

    The part of the Guyanese invasion which concerns me is crime. How many Guyanese were murdered in Barbados this year? From the reports it appears all the Guyanese victims were killed by fellow Guyanese. They are settling scores from their homeland in peaceful Barbados. Over to you Norman Faria and Rickey Singh.

  8. TheTrashHeap

    At least this incident made the news. Shots ring out often at these football games, just this time a few people got peppered.

  9. J

    BFP wrote “We call it Barbados out of control – the natural result of what happens when you combine no rule of law with no effective police force and a top-down culture of corruption in government that has permeated everyday life.”

    I’ve read the Nation’s report as well as yours quoted above.

    The Nation’s report is more balanced than yours.

    As I sit here near to Orange Hill I am not at all fearful.

    Barbados is not “out of control”.

    The police force is not “ineffective”.

    My everyday life is not permeated by corruption.

    I do not ask for nor accept bribes or favours.

    I do not offer any.

    In my whole life NOBODY has ever offered me a bribe or demanded a favour.

    I believe that my life is the Bajan NORM.

    In other words basically a GOOD SOCIETY, but naturally there is room for improvement.

    There will ALWAYS be room for improvement.

    There is no heaven on earth.

  10. J

    me wrote “Call de Police that y’all always bad talking”

    Of course the police were called, and of course the police came, and of course appropriate charges will be laid and of course there will be a trial by magistrate or by judge and jury as appropriate and of course the jury will listen and will REASON and will render an appropriate verdict.

    Please sxplain to me and to the readers of this blog if you can how any of this reflects a lawless out of control society or an ineffective police force?

    The police are PUBLIC SERVANTS. You call if bad talking, I call it constructive criticism. As long as the police AND other PUBLIC SERVANTS continue to accept wages from the PUBLIC’s PURSE they CANNOT be above PUBLIC criticism.

    Can you tell me of ANY plce in the world where PUBLIC servants are above PUBLIC criticism.

    And are you and any of these bloggers willing to migrate to that earthly paradise?

    I await your answers (with bated breath)

    Sincerely

    J

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  12. Hants

    BFP I should fear for my safety and go to Cuba for my next vacation.
    Cuba is very “in control”.

    “Sensational” topic with the shock factor image of a gun but I am not convinced that Barbados is “out of control”.

    My next vacation will be in Barbados.

  13. Knight of the Long Knives

    Shootings at football matches are the norm for more than ten years now. It just does not always reach the newspapers. Often it flows off the field into nearby villages.

  14. Optimist Prime

    In 1999 the DLP put on a series of ads dealing with: “Crime and Violence. ”

    The DLP is now the government and therefore has a golden opportunity to implement its: “zero tolerance” policy on crime.

    The point is – the DLP’s dangerous mismanagement of the economy has resulted in layoffs and will untimately lead to an increase in social problems, such as prostitution and crime (gun and drug related, burglaries, theft and corruption)

    ****Crime then has implications for tourism.***

    This highlights the folly of there not being a nation consultation on the social impact of the economic crisis, and the folly of the Police not being invited to the recent consultation on the economy.

    Question time:

    Is it true that during the last election, drug thugs were told that a DLP government would make it easy for them to get supplies into Barbados?

    Were they told that Local and Regional Statesman – the Rt. Hon. Owen S. Arthur, M.P., purchase new boats for the Coast Guard to stop their drugs coming in?

    Why did the DLP candidate for St. George North called for a senior Police officer to be fired but his party remained silent?

    Here is a riddle for Sargeant, Hants and Juris:

    Domocracy+ change + bad timing = DLP and an increase in crime.

  15. reality check

    Just about all football games in Europe require spectators to go through security checks.

    The BDF has been used in the past to clean up “thug like” areas. Since this is an open field with no close control of weapons, why not have the BDF go around the crowds and relieve the young hoodlums of their weapons. They aren’t suppose to have guns and other weapons on their possession anyway.

    Hopefully jurisdictional nonsense between the RBPF and the BDF will not stand in the way of a quick
    resolution as well as an opportunity to clean up a possibly much more serious situation where many are killed.

    The PM and AG need to haul the heads of both organizations in and instruct them on how they want. this handled

  16. The Scout

    Our open immigration policy is allowing a lot of criminal activity to occur in this country of which bajans are not the main criminals. Look at the increasing amount of unsolved murders occurring in Barbados;can it be that “hit-men” are coming into the country on contract, take out a fella and leave the island next day, while police officers are searching all over but in vain. Then we hear that the police is not doing a good job. Wake up and see what’s going on Barbados

  17. J

    The first time I witnessed a football match in England in 1978, after the match armed police with large German shepherds were required to escort the fans to the train stations.

    I saw this with my own eyes in Watford in 1978.

  18. Optimist Prime

    @ Scout

    I heard the principle political advisor to PM Thompson say that the time is coming when persons visiting Barbados will be required to produce a police certificate of character.

    Scout, you now indirectly mentioned cross border crime: persons come here, commit a crime and leave undetected.

    Let us go back to World Cup Cricket !!

    Long before anyone landed in Barbados, Official knew who was coming: Advanced Passenger Information (API)

    Information was sent ahead. That system worked well within CARICOM.

    What open immigration policy!!!!!!!!!!!?

    We need not re-invent the wheel, neither should we make excuses for thugs who commit crime and therefore belong behind bars.

    FORGET THE BLAME, FIX THE PROBLEM!

  19. The Scout

    Optimist Prime
    The Sun Set on that policy, you forgot.

  20. J

    Dear Optimist Prime you wrote “I heard the principle political advisor to PM Thompson say that the time is coming when persons visiting Barbados will be required to produce a police certificate of character.”

    I hope that you are mis-quoting the principal political adviser.

    Nowadays tourists coming to Barbados go online to book aircraft seats, hotel rooms, vehicle reservations and restaurant tables.

    Do you or the principal political adviser really believe that weeks before traveling to Barbados tourists will take time off work, go down to their local police station, wait to be finger printed, apply for a certificate of character, wait for the result and wait for the thing to arrive in the mail? This is nonsense and it CANNOT work. The tourists will just go instead to one of the many places which are sunny in winter.

    It might work for people who are planning to permanently to migrate to Barbados.

    But it CANNOT work for tourists who just coming for a quick warm-up.

    Even I as a Bajan if I was living overseas would not go through that rigmarole.

  21. reality check

    J

    we have all heard anecdotal information on the English and German skinhead hooligans causing havoc in these soccer games not to mention some countries where cages are bulit up front to keep the animals off the field.

    Nevertheless, this year I have attended several football matches in excess of 100,00 people which were extremely civilized and friendly.

    Security checks going in, no alcholholc beverages ( non achoholic beer only ) and tops of water removed on purchase to avoid them reaching the field if thrown.

    Chaos is bad for business and prevents the majority of citizens from enjoying a game. Similarly our tourist industry cannot afford much of this mayhem which impinges on our ability to feel secure and safe on our streets.

    The government needs to be seen as being proactive in removing these weapons at such events.

  22. Optimist Prime

    @ J

    Ask someone to play the tape from the DLP’s lunch time lecture. It was in the Advocate, on CBC News and even on GIS webpage.

    Certainly BFP could help here!!!

    Yes! That is the type of folly (political advice) Barbadians are paying $155,000 annually for.

    Still, I agree with you. Your points are sound!

  23. Lady Anon

    The government needs to be seen as being proactive in removing these weapons at such events.
    *******

    My question is this…if you are going to watch a football game, why do you need to take a gun?

    If you are going to a fete, why do you need to take a gun?

    It is not up to the gov’t to remove weapons at such events. It is up to individuals to use the sense that God gave them. If not the individuals, then the organisers.

    All our issues and problems WILL NOT be solved by government. We also need to take responsibility for our own actions.

  24. Optimist Prime

    OK J, here it is

    Warning about immigration policy

    The chief political advisor to Prime Minister David Thompson, Hartley Henry believes the days are not long in coming when some people will have to produce police certificates of character whilst seeking to enter Barbados.

    He made the comments at the DLP’s weekly lecture at the party’s George Street headquarters.

    Mr Henry believes this could become necessary in light of the crimes attributed to non-nationals of late.

    Mr Henry says Barbados is growing at a rapid rate daily and heavy pressure is being put on its social services.

    He believes that in light of this development some hard issues will have to be taken in respect of its immigration policy.

    ***Above complements CBC webpage.

  25. J

    Dear Optomist Prime:

    This casts a different light on the matter. It seems from your quote that the principal adviser was talking about permanent migrants (not short term visitors)

    It would not be unreasonable to deny permanent residence or work permits to who have been convicted of crimes.

    Unfortunately however it would be unwieldy to expect to be able to screen out every criminal short term visitor. However if they commit a crime while here we MUST deal with them as the law demands.

    I do know an aquaintance who committed manslaughter and who would love to visit Barbados. He has reformed, however his own country has denied him a passport as he is on long term parole, so he CANNOT travel.

    So in fact at least some countries do keep their convicts on a short leash.

  26. J

    And remember I am no friend of the principal adviser.

  27. wondering

    here we go again.. the root of all evil in our beloved country=immigration . This explains all of our trouble. So simple to see and easy to explain. We are the last living society of this earth that is pure and untouched. Everything that we touch turns to gold..we do no wrong. We are the blessed lot and the great almighty is Bajan .

    “Gun violence is always associated with drugs which is a problem which all countries face. In the case of Barbados which has operated with an open door immigration policy for many years this would have escalated the problem in our opinion.”

    So David, what exactly is the connection between drugs and open door immigration ? I don’t think that drug barons or peddlers care about an immigration policy. And the immigrants are the cause for the drugs? Well if the PM knows about all of this then the police should know and act.
    And so what are we .. consumers or transhippers ? or are our beautiful tourists from the North and Europe the consumers..?

  28. reality check

    “It is up to individuals to use the sense that God gave them. If not the individuals, then the organisers.”

    Common sense is taught by responsible parents to their children—a very scarce commodity in Barbaos.

    Some people don’t use common sense. Thats why we have murders and people in jail and oh yes —a police and defense force to help secure the peace.

    You, of course, are right but highly optomistic, or is that naive, about human nature. I actually think you might be pulling our legs?

  29. 199

    J, what exactly is the point of your post!! We in interested in wha happening in England!! We’re interested in producing an even better society than exists in England where it’s mostly, shite!! I should know! I live there!

    **************

    Lady Anon
    December 30, 2008 at 8:52 pm
    The government needs to be seen as being proactive in removing these weapons at such events.
    *******

    My question is this…if you are going to watch a football game, why do you need to take a gun?

    **************

    So true, ‘Lady Anon’!! I sincerely, hope they’ll follow St. Kitt’s example and re-introduce, hanging!! That’ll descourage the vermin, or kill them!!

  30. The Scout

    I remember distinctly, it being mentined during the “fineman” search, that a man wanted for murder was believed to be in Barbados. It is my firm belief that some of these murders committed here an remain unsolved are done by persons not resident in Barbados but come here from other countries, maybe Guyana, T&T or Jamaica, dso their job and leave.

  31. First I have heard about Trinis going to Barbados to kill people. Seems like you all have the same problem we do: blaming all our local problems on “Guyanese and Vincentians”.

  32. Juris

    So typical, Scout. No one in Bim is capable of evil….it must be the (non-white)foreigners that are stealing, abusing the children, killing, raping…..get over it, Scout, your slip is showing.

  33. Union Jack

    What scares me is that the person who is in charge of football in Barbados is also in charge of education.

  34. crossroads

    What do expect from these people? Our culture is sinking fast. Look at the pic in the Nation with the men/boys who caught and killed the snake, there’s a little boy in the pic, no more than 11 years old grabing his crutch and other hand in the air like he’s some sort of gangsta. Few more years and he will be popping a cap in someone. 😉

  35. 199

    Union, maybe they think all Barbadians shoud be footballers!! Cricket is n’t as popular as it used to be!!

  36. wondering

    “I remember distinctly, it being mentined during the “fineman” search, that a man wanted for murder was believed to be in Barbados.” says Scout

    Well Scout, I figure you are referring to the Guyanese gangster and so i decided to check for the information as it related to Barbados.
    The fact.not innuendo..as reported in the press here and in Guyana is that this “fineman” committed his crime as revenge against the Guyana police force whom he felt were holding his pregnant girlfriend. He came to this conclusion apparently after checking with friend and relatives here in Barbados for her.
    This may help with your memory.

  37. The Scout

    Wondering
    Happy New Year but you’re wondering wrong, it was not “fineman” but it was during that search that the police intellegence discovered another murder suspect who was in Barbados. The point I was making is that hitmen can come into Barbados execute a fellow and fly back out the following day and leave the police on a wild goose search. It is also possible for the hitman to enter Barbadoas without even going through any of the official ports of entry.

  38. The Scout

    Juris
    This is 2009; wake up. whoever said that bajans are incapable of evil. There are lots of evil bajans, like their are lots of evils persons from all over the region and beyond but it is easier for some-one from another country to buy a plane ticket, fly into Barbados, take out a fella,then board a flight back out of the country next day, sometimes before it is known that there was a murder. This lapse immigration policy we have allows this to happen. I was in immigration office one day with a Guyanese national and when a name was called to go to a window, the person grapped my leg. I enquired what was the matter and was told that the guy who answered to that name was indeed a gangster out of Guyana who was wanted by police there. Most indo-guyanese carry at least three names.

  39. Lady Anon

    What scares me is that the person who is in charge of football in Barbados is also in charge of education.
    ******
    There is truly no basis for this connection as Knight of the Long Knives so rightly said “Shootings at football matches are the norm for more than ten years now.”

    Either talk about education … the fact that we are not instilling the values that we should or talk about football.

    Then you can say the person in charge of football has allowed the hooliganism to escalate.

    But to link the two is illogical.

  40. Juris

    MOST Indo-Guyanese carry AT LEAST three names…Are you serious, Scout? You are exaggerating to make your racist point and you know it.

  41. Avatar Girl

    @ Juris

    I think you must both be utterly blind AND utterly stupid.

    I knew of at least two illegal Guyanese that have more than one “genuine” I.D. card. Of course they’re not here any more.

    And yes, there ARE hitmen who come into the country. They do this in ANY country.

    Maybe Scout might be speaking from experience…or maybe just hearsay. But for once, Juris, get your head out of the sand and stop hiding behind your gated community fences.

    Crap happens, and it’s not getting any better.

  42. Union Jack

    What scares me MORE is that there are people who do not see the problem with the person who is in charge of football in Barbados being also in charge of education. One wonders if it escaped notice that the same person in addressing students sought to undermine the authority of school principals. So shootings at football matches has been the norm for more than ten years! No problem mon!

  43. Hants

    who dunnit?

    “THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY was left shaken after a Molotov cocktail was thrown into their mosque at Kensington New Road, the City, yesterday morning”

    Barbados must be vigilant.

  44. wondering

    “..take out a fella,then board a flight back out of the country next day, sometimes before it is known that there was a murder. This lapse immigration policy we have allows this to happen..”
    Scout, then this is a law enforcement problem not immigration policy . Further if you and your Guyanese friend have information about anyone that is carrying on illegal activity or of dubious character , then it should be your civic and patriotic responsibility to report them to the authorities..
    Don’t get me wrong on this, the immigration policy(of all countries) need to be reviewed and overhauled as time and circumstances change… if there is a specific demand for a job that can be filled locally then that is the first order of the day , outsiders then come next. But don’t insult my intelligence by pretending that immigrants don’t bring anything to the table. On one hand they tax the social services severly but on the other, many do land on our shores with capital and knowledge that we gain. The policy makers and government have the information and that is what we all need to see.
    Or maybe that is not the issue here..could it be that we can’t accept that the look of our nation is changing.

  45. Juris

    Avatar Girl, so you know at least TWO illegal Guyanese of unmentioned race who have more than one ID card…and you use that fact to show that most indo-Guyanese have at least three names? And you are calling me stupid? My word!

  46. 199

    BFP Editor says,

    Comment removed for racist, prejudiced message. If you want to talk like that go to Barbados Underground where they allow such comments.

    Last warning for this commenter.

  47. The Scout

    i am predicting that by 2011 Barbados will be a slightly smaller version of T&T and Jamaica as far as crime and especially murders are concerned. Right now, our rate is down but this is the calm before the storm. I just hope I’m totally wrong on the prediction.

  48. The Scout

    When Sen. Maxine McClean was at immigration, she had said that an investigation was ungoing to determine the amount of illegal immigrants in Barbados. This investigation would be completed around the end of the year (2008). That time has passed yet this government’s silence on this investigation and for that matter on the WHOLE immigration policy is deafening and hurting the ears. Such a report will either calm the storm or increase it. No news, to me means that the problem is so acute that they are afraid to make public the findings.

  49. 199

    199, I know u mean well BFP but that’s the kind of ridiculously, politically-correct attitude which which will get Bim into serious, religous-strife, trouble. You should really, seek more to learn from the lessons of Britain rather than trying indubitably, to occupy some moral, sky-high, high-ground which will only reap disaster for Bim in the long run, which is what neither of us desire!!

    ****************

    BFP says,

    The minute you state that all persons of a certain religion, or a certain race should be prohibited from Barbados you lose your right to use this forum to communicate your hateful message. Don’t like it? Tough.

    Go to Barbados Underground where they allow racism and threats of violence against named specific individuals.

  50. Juris

    I know that you are feeling pressure from the apparently superior popularity of BU in recent times, but it is not fair to say that BU ALLOWS racism and threats of violence…in that case BFP allowed the “threats” of violence against Adrian Loveridge too. In any event, there is no denial that racism exists among an unenlightened crowd. Hopefully, by our reasoned arguments, we can bring them to a Christian understanding of the issue, but I fail to see how allowing them to express their rabid, unprincipled views can count as an endorsement of them by the blog.

    *****************************

    BFP says,

    Dear Juris,

    The matter of Barbados Underground allowing itself to be used to coordinate threats and stalking against court witnesses is well established and previously discussed both here and at BU in the comments section. It saddens us but is unfortunately part of the significant change in focus that occurred on that blog the minute that the DLP were elected. Barbados Underground is now the discussion venue of choice for many DLP supporters who had previously been so vocal for ITAL, but have since come down with a bad case of laryngitis. Unfortunately many refuse to hold the DLP government to the same standards that they previously demanded of the Arthur/Mottley BLP government.

    As to overall popularity with both domestic and international visitors, Barbados Free Press is still the most popular Barbados web site of any type, with a 20% lead on the number two website which is the Nation. We will soon welcome our five millionth visitor. While we are sure that Barbados Underground still has a large following and contributes to the political discussion in many positive ways, we lament the loss of their fire in the belly when it comes to demanding integrity, transparency and accountability from our government.

  51. Avatar Girl

    @ Juris

    What I’m saying, Juris, is that when there’s smoke, there’s bound to be fire; and it’s not that likely that it’s incense!

    ID cards have NAMES on them! Therefore, more than 2 IDs means more than two NAMES!

    If I know at least two Guyanese (who WERE indian…I had to mention that, what with your nit-picking; isn’t INDO-Guyanese the topic?) with a few IDs, there are bound to be more out there.

    Of course you COULD let Tom, Dick & Harry in, INSTEAD of just the legal ones! The legal ones, who CONTRIBUTE to the country as opposed to “grassing!”

    I’ve seen it, and I’ve known others who see it as well. Essentially, my “stupidity” comes from various experiences, NOT stat sheets and sociology theses.

    I have no problem with immigrants, so long as they CONTRIBUTE to the country they’re in. Can you say for certain that this is the case? If not, should you be suprised that so many people in Bim are up in arms about this? Remember, cliches are based, in varying degrees, on truth.

  52. BFP

    BFP says,

    Dear Juris,

    The matter of Barbados Underground allowing itself to be used to coordinate threats and stalking against court witnesses is well established and previously discussed both here and at BU in the comments section. It saddens us but is unfortunately part of the significant change in focus that occurred on that blog the minute that the DLP were elected. Barbados Underground is now the discussion venue of choice for many DLP supporters who had previously been so vocal for ITAL, but have since come down with a bad case of laryngitis. Unfortunately many refuse to hold the DLP government to the same standards that they previously demanded of the Arthur/Mottley BLP government.

    As to overall popularity with both domestic and international visitors, Barbados Free Press is still the most popular Barbados web site of any type, with a 20% lead on the number two website which is the Nation. We will soon welcome our five millionth visitor. While we are sure that Barbados Underground still has a large following and contributes to the political discussion in many positive ways, we lament the loss of their fire in the belly when it comes to demanding integrity, transparency and accountability from our government.

  53. 199

    Dear BFP, I am prepared to defer to u on this one!! Indeed, I’ve little choice if I’m to continue posting here, which, obviously, I so enjoy doing!! But, principally, because, as u know, we share the same objectives in respect of most subjects so, even though I KNOW you’re wrong on this one, I defer to you, on this occasion!!

    Cheers!!

  54. Optimist Prime

    When will the DLP do something that makes sense: or can it?

    In addition to its 90 & 100 days promises, there are a number of key reasons why the DLP was elected – chief among which was its promise to: “immediately introduce integrity legislation.”

    • “declaration of asset by public officials;
    • a Code of Conduct for Ministers
    • a new Freedom of Information law
    • amendments to the Defamation laws and
    • new constitutional provisions to rationalize the powers of the Prime Minister.”

    One also recall, that during the election campaign – the DLP alleged that it had evidence that the then government was engaging in corruption, as well as – evidence of massive and unjustified cost over runs.

    The ruling party further argued that the national debt was too high; that the economy was not being well managed and also argued there were too many supplimentaries.

    The DLP also promised that it could manage Barbados better and that it had the answers and would bring about “change.” After twelve months, Barbadians are still waiting for the proof!

    The DLP also told Barbadians that its candidates are clean; caring; competent and committed and that all of them had all signed on to a Code of Conduct. That is the second big lie!!!

    It gets worst!

    Barbadians were given the assurance that the DLP would do something “tangible” and “meaningful” about what it described as: “this vexing issue of the cost of living because we are beholden to no one.” President-Elect Mr. Obama could say that. His election campaign was funded by ordinary people.

    Since nothing that has a transforming effect on the Barbadians society – was done by the DLP in 2008, perhaps having just accepted a 6% salary increase – at least the DLP can turn-up to do work and stop bench-warming the seats in Parliament.

    Imagine! A whole twelve months have passed without the DLP making good on the very things it promised as part of its agenda for “change,” and on which its credibility was hinged – cost of living.

    Because the DLP is “intellectually weak,” and does not know what it is doing, Barbadians can expect their quality of life and standard of living to get worst. The DLP has two options!

    Do nothing, consistent with it present core business and allow Barbadians to endure the pain being inflicted or give them the option to decide if they want more of what they are now getting.

    Meanwhile, Barbadians can look forward to hearing more blame; more excuses, and more complaining from an “intellectually weak DLP”!!!

  55. Hants

    BFP as you know I am a DLP supporter.

    I still expect (ITAL) integrity, transparency and accountability legislation from the government but I am willing to give them more time to pass this legislation.

    Until you BFP ban me I will continue to blog here but I will always be a DLP supporter so don’t expect me to attack them publicly.
    Optimist Prime probably gets paid to do that.

    And I will not do a Maascoll and crossover from BFP to BU.

    Happy New Year to all.

    *********************

    BFP says,

    Hants old friend, we would never ban you or anyone else for not attacking the DLP. We do point out though that your position on how much time you are willing to give the DLP has changed. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but at one point after they failed to do anything in the first 90 days as promised, you said you would give them a year.

    That year ends in a few weeks, and during that year Thompson has done none of the simple things that he could have done to stop the abuses. We’re not talking about legislation, we’re merely talking about a few policy changes where he could have shown some leadership in ITAL.

    Frankly it is not the broken ITAL legislation promises only that disappoint us. It is Thompson’s utter failure to take real action on integrity issues that truly illustrates there is no real difference between the DLP and BLP governments regarding ITAL.

    And yes, we agree with you that Optimist Prime is a paid employee of the BLP… paid to use the blogs to attack the government and deflect criticism of the BLP.

  56. Hants

    See wha uh tell yah BFP. while I was writing my post above, Optimist Prime was sharing licks.

    De man so cruel on dis blog I gine an hide.

  57. 199

    Hants, and why should n’t u post to both blogs!! Nonsense!!

    *********************

    BFP says,

    Of course folks can post to as many blogs as they like. The DLP old-timers still visit and post here every day, but seldom about integrity issues.

  58. Juris

    I really don’t want to debate about whether you are or are not the most popular blog, BFP, since I don’t know how one measures this for a blog. Time spent reading? Contributions? Hits? What I perhaps meant to say was that there are far more contributions to the BU discussion threads than yours on similar topics.

    **************************

    BFP says,

    Yes Juris, some of the old regulars who posted ten and fifteen comments per article at BFP now hold most of their discussions at Barbados Underground. A few have been banned from BFP for various reasons while still others prefer the pro-DLP environment at Barbados Underground where difficult questions and topics like Integrity, Transparency and Accountability Legislation and policies are no longer discussed with the same enthusiasm as before the DLP was elected.

    As David at BU will be happy to tell you too, the numbers of comments on an article often has little relation to whether an article is widely read or not. Some of the most popular articles have very few comments.

  59. Hants

    @ 199

    I have the FREEdom to post where I like and it is here or at caribbeancricket.com.

    We DLP supporters does get a mobbatun a licks here on BFP and daais enuf fuh me.

    **********************************

  60. Optimist Prime

    @ BFP and Hants,

    “And yes, we agree with you that Optimist Prime is a paid employee of the BLP… paid to use the blogs to attack the government and deflect criticism of the BLP.”

    ——————————————–
    Then why not BU? Why only BFP?

    The obvious PR damage control spin of frustrated DLP bloggers is to play the person and not the ball.

    One man (Optimist Prime) and scores of DLP bloggers. Yet, trademark DLP complaining. At least BFP is decent and honourable.

    But, if it is put that Optimist Prime is a paid BLP operation (which is not true) – that does what?

    What is the intended out come?

    Is it intended to prove that contrary to what OP says – DLP politicians declared their assets?

    That the DLP honoured its 90 & 100 day promises? That the DLP reduce the cost of living?

    That it is not true that Mr. Thompson promised to reduce the cost of living but introduced an inflationary budget?

    That the DLP is not “intellectally weak” and does not know whether as a “sevice economy,” the Barbados economy can exists independent of CSME, the EPA and other similar arrangements?

    Do you see why this country is in crisis? Leadership Matters Most but the DLP cannot give the leadership that is required.

    Poor OP!!!!

    The dangerous mismanagement of the Barbados economy is all your fault!!!!

  61. 199

    BFP, when u gun publish my post, nuh man!!

  62. GT

    Since the Guyanese invaded this precious land, we are seeing violent crimes escalate to unprecedented levels. Ever so welcome, wait for a call…

  63. Tony Hall

    “FOUR SHOT AT FOOTBALL MATCH AS THOUSANDS RUN FOR THEIR LIVES.”

    BFP,
    Sensationalism again. It is a fact that 4 persons were shot. I was in Barbados at the time. My question is what “thousands” are you talking about? In Orange Hill? Were you there? You are becoming worse than the mainstream media.

    Those of you who are attacking the police keep doing so and you will eventually get the society you deserve. The Police Force is not perfect but these constant attacks will not increase its morale.

  64. Jason

    Tony, too bad you can’t read papers like the Nation before shooting your mouth off.

    Why don’t you follow the link in the BFP article and read the newspaper accounts.

    “FOUR SPECTATORS were wounded and thousands more ran for their lives when shots rang out at a football match at Orange Hill pasture, St James on Sunday night.”

    I don’t care about the “morale” of the police when they are out of control thugs. I don’t care about the “morale” of the police when they shoot unarmed people in the back of the head and give no public explanation.

    Barbados to Tony Hall: Do you live here?

  65. Tony Hall

    Jason,
    Again I feel sorry for you!!