Zimbabwe: Young Boy Carries Liquid Death To His Family

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UPDATED: BANGO – Barbados Association of Non-Governmental Organisations says that no foreign or even African government should take over Zimbabwe even to save lives – and that Zimbabweans should sort it out themselves.

The BANGO blog also carries a stirring speech by Zimbabwean Army Chief of Staff Major General Martin Chedondo exhorting the youths to be ready to die for their country. BANGO supports the position Right or Wrong, Black must always be correct.

Hmmmm… I don’t think that Zimbabwe needs to be too concerned that the Western nations will invade tomorrow or any time in the next twenty years. They’ll send a few million every so often to ease their consciences – of which 70% will end up in Switzerland, 25% will be stolen locally and the remaining 5% will assist real people in need.

But the days of the big bucks Western support for starving people are gone for good in Africa and everywhere else. The lessons of Iraq and Afghanistan have been learned even if the USA and its friends can’t yet extracate themselves from that little mistake.

Original article…

“Breadbasket of Africa” Zimbabwe: Cholera and $500 Million Note

The boy in the photo might be dead or deathly ill as you read this. The Getty Images photo shows him carrying water from a possibly contaminated source to his family. But one needs water, so what is he to do?

Zimbabwe used to be called Rhodesia. The whites and and then the asians owned everything. Blacks were persona-non-grata in their own country. Skin colour classifications were encouraged by the British. Lighter skinned blacks were encouraged to “Learn a little English. Practice self-control” (apologies to Johnny Clegg & Savuka – God how I miss the times when I first heard Third World Child)

But everyone ate. There was no cholera.

Now everyone is “free” from foreigners. Yes, free from the foreign cash investments too! Free from education, dental and medical care, iPods and Windows Vista. Free from the Rule of Law… or any laws at all.

Mugabe was celebrated by all Africa even a decade after he had been proven to be a murderous despot. Ahhhh… but he was OUR murderous despot who vanquished the whites and asians so that the people could… could what?

Zimbabwe $50 Million Note Not Enough

Zimbabwe $50 Million Note Not Enough

Here is a $50 Million dollars Zimbabwean note. The country just introduced a $500 million dollar note!

$500 million Zimbabwean dollars are almost enough to purchase eight (8) loaves of bread.

But that is now. Tomorrow, the number of loaves will be fewer.

What Can Barbados Do To Help Zimbabwe?

Nothing. Not a G-damn thing that I can think of! We have neither the resources nor the political will to actually do something to help Zimbabwe. The time to act is ten years past. Now there is only a failed state and a generation of children who have been taught that might is right.

As we steel ourselves to say “Times are tough all over. We cannot help”, we should remember that people in Britain and the USA are saying the same thing about us.

Get ready friends. The next five years are not going to be pretty.

Further Reading

CNN: Zimbabwe Introduces $500 Million Note

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93 responses to “Zimbabwe: Young Boy Carries Liquid Death To His Family

  1. 199

    What should we do to help them?? Answer; the same as they would do to help us, in any situation, i.e. NOTHING, because we’re regarded as being inferior to them, so let them stew in t their own juice!!

    Ian Smith was evidently, SO right, about them, but would anybody listen to him! No! It’s the same thing! People believe whatever popular, or pretty, little belief they want to believe other than facing the real, facts!!

  2. HUH???

    I thought BFP said Barbados was Zimbabwe of the West. Are you now actually admitting that we are nothing like Zimbabwe? What a surprise!

  3. Jack Bowman

    Dear BFP Folks,

    A little confusing, your latest article. Granted, the replies to it so far are beyond depressing.

    Clearly, for example, the comment by the “199” person (plainly a not-too-bright individual with somewhat limited mental equipment and a severely attenuated moral imagination) is to be dismissed out of hand.

    But questions abide. What can be done about misery in Zimbabwe? And who should do it?

    Should not Zimbabwe’s problems be resolved by Zimbabweans? Is that not, in fact, the entire BASIS of all post-war development strategies? In the development field, specialists (many of them not complete morons, on the face of it) would ask: have Zimbabweans taken “ownership” of their destiny and development model?

    Second, we must ask what Zimbabwe’s regional neighbours are doing. Have they put any pressure on Mr. Mugabe to stop the deaths of countless children? No, you say? Well, shit, why not? After all, surely Africa’s problems should be resolved by Africans. Right?

    Third, if we were visiting from another planet, surely we would wonder why, for example, Sweden, doesn’t simply invade Zimbabwe, restrain Mr. Mugabe, and give people clean water so that we won’t see a hill of small Zimbabwean bodies before Christmas.

    Ah, of course. African problems demand African solutions. But what a pain that those solutions have to be paid for by taxpayers in Madrid and Paris and London and Warsaw and Prague and Stockholm and Washington and Ottawa and Brussels.

    What are Zimbabwe’s neighbours doing? If I wake up in the middle of the night because my neighbour’s house is on fire, should I simply go back to sleep?

    *****************

    BFP says,

    But the neighbours’ homes are all on fire too!

    And they sold off the firehoses for cash, then put the cash in Switzerland. Should we give them more cash? What should we do? I haven’t a clue.

  4. dogbitemuh

    One day i hope Barbados will wake up. Hope its soon.

  5. wondering

    Countries like Zimbabwe and Guyana offer lessons to us that we should never ignore . Everything from British colonial rule to racism to dictatorships. It is easy to say let them “stew in their own juice” but when we get to point of understanding how a ruling elite back by the military with power and corruption become the order of the day, then can we understand the desperation of a people through no fault or control of theirs and more importantly for us ,to see when our own politicians are pulling wool over our eyes, and how various interests can conspire to control our nation. It also tells us how lucky we are and to cherish what we have

  6. As long as Mugabe played the house-slave role that most Bajans play so well -all was well. After he ran out patience waiting for reform and for some real benefits for his people, and initiated drastic land reform he is suddenly the devil…

    Haiti, Cuba and indeed many countries where white oppressors were successfully displaced have been isolated, threatened, bullied and impovished.
    These forces are now at work on Zimbabwe.

    Having been pressured, threatened, humiliated and backed into a corner, Mugabe has engaged in irrational behaviours…. He is wrong, but his real ‘mistake’ was to have driven out the white looters, and a strong message is being sent about the consequences of displacing those whose ‘right’ it is to possess all the worlds’ wealth.

    Guyana dared to nationalize industries and Venezuela is also on the list.

    Cholera is bad. But so too was the state of bondage, humiliation and slavery of Rhodesians in thier own land.

    Is it better to eat as a slave? or starve as a free man?

    But the day is approaching when the oppressors will taste of their own medicine….

  7. @Bush Tea…

    Give us a f’ing break…

    Mugabe should have been removed. Long ago. I won’t speculate on exactly how… (But some suggestions only cost a US Dollar, and someone with a steady hand…)

    Zimbabwe used to be the bread basket of Africa…

    And now, not only can Zimbabwe not feed itself, but its now infecting not only its own people, but its neighbours, with a water borne disease which is simple to cure…

    This is no longer a question of White vs. Black. Of Slavery vs. Freedom.

    This is a question of the here and now….

  8. @Bush Tea…

    I forgot to mention… Zimbabwe has the highest inflation rate in the world.

    In fact, last year, its inflation rate couldn’t even be calculated, since inflation is a function of the increase in costs of products on shelves available for purchase…

    There *were* no products available for purchase…

    Please forgive me if I’m taking offence here, but you’re making several claims which cannot be supported by facts….

  9. Robin Hoo

    Bushman I wid you.

    Chris stick to telecom that is the type of black and white issue that you are so good at.

  10. Straight talk

    BT:

    Why you big-up Mugabe?

    Mugabe is purely a figurehead in Zimbabwe,
    an octogenarian cancer riddled clown in fear of his life from the cadre of kleptomaniacal Army generals who are the real power in that pathetic nation.

    Forty years on from the odious Smith regime, what has his revolutionary vision brought to his people, apart from starvation, degradation, inflation, disintegration and oh yes I nearly forgot the generals, and their political cronies now sit on the verandahs of the colonial farmhouses gazing on their handiwork…. barren fields and a neo-stone age existence for their desperate people.

    Shame on all of them.

  11. The Devil

    Bush tea provocatively asks “Is it better to eat as a slave? or starve as a free man?”

    Honestly I am not sure of the answer but the people of Zimbabwe do not appear to have even these choices. They are rather starving as slaves!

  12. reality check

    careful what you wish for?

    I have to go with Chris Halsall and Straight Talk on this one

    the last thirty years in Zimbawe has left its citizens near starvation and without basic human rights.

    This has been a horrible change for the worse for those in Zimbawe.

    They really need a change back to the Rule of Law and away from corrupt generals.

  13. ru4real

    @Buah Tea

    Are you completely insane man!
    Zimbabwe was the bread basket of Africa . Mugabe inherited a prosperous country where no body starved or died of cholera or was murdered by maniacal ‘veterans’
    You go to Zimbabwe man with your stupid big talk
    Wunna ask them if they like to starve ( die, get murdered) as ‘free’ men?

  14. John

    Bush Tea
    December 12, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    Haiti, Cuba and indeed many countries where white oppressors were successfully displaced have been isolated, threatened, bullied and impovished.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Guyana was the bread basket of the Caribbean too.

    Many Guyanese left when the slide begun (and since) and can be found all over the world.

    … and yet Guyana is different from Cuba, … and Haiti too.

    … and Cuba is different from Haiti, ….. in fact ….. Fidel does not appear to be Black and England was never in control there.

    …. and once upon a time Jamaica flourished too …. or did it? Was it better before Independence?

    … and then there is the UK, once upon a time it controlled most of the world. It is a shadow of its former self.

    Things change, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse ….. but always, things change.

    Zimbabwe has changed for the worse.

    It is always better to eat than to starve for when people eat, there is life and with life goes hope for a better future.

    Death and starvation come together …… and hope is displaced.

    There is no thought for the future, just the brute will to survive in the present.

    Slave and free do not come into the equation when these two devils appear.

    A slave with hope is free!!

  15. 199

    BFP says,

    But the neighbours’ homes are all on fire too!

    And they sold off the firehoses for cash, then put the cash in Switzerland. Should we give them more cash? What should we do? I haven’t a clue.

    *******************

    Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! Thank you BFP, and I had to laugh at that very, short but stinging reply to Bowman’s very, long post of tripe!! And he thinks that MY opinion should be dismissed!! LOL!!

    I repeat!! “People believe whatever popular, or pretty, little belief they want to believe other than facing the real, facts”!! i.e. they’re a hopeless, bunch of losers!!

  16. No doubt that Mugabe will, at some point, be eliminated by one of his own generals, who will take control and most probably become the new Mugabe, or slim chance, saviour of Zimbabwe.

    Should the world wait, or should the UN intervene.

    Decent civilised behaviour would indicate UN intervention.

    However, then there will be the talk of Western and European power grabbing.

    Jack Bowman has a major point, what are the other African leaders doing to address this crisis.

    They are so, into not ‘offending’, an African ‘brother’ that many more are being slaughtered, if not explicitly, then implicitly.

    It is up to the African leaders to call for his resignation, to intervene militarily and if not successful, to ask for UN assistance in doing so and in rebuilding the nation.

    Commonsense is not always so common, including in a situation where mental slavery overcomes physical freedom.

    African premiers need to overcome their inhibitions and become leaders.

    Peace & Live Strong

  17. Robin Hoo

    Rumps, Bimbro, Straight, Chris and Co.,
    It seems as though Zimbabwe would be better off with a lackey for a President; the message to the rest of the world is “if you challenge the US/UK or offend its sense of good taste, you will be starved, isolated and/or bombed into submission.” If this message is correct and the way in which the “international” media goes out of its way to vilify the target, is this not what you all should be up in arms about?

  18. Cliverton Not Signed In

    BANGO reports that South Africa said they will not invade.

    Give it a little while longer and there will be nothing left to invade. Remind me who wants to invade Somolia? Who wants to end up owning a mess like that?

    Same with Zimbabwe.

  19. Gearbox

    Chris, ru4real, straight, 199 and others (not BT)

    Zimbabwe would be better off with a President that serves the interests of the US/UK; the message to leaders of the rest of the world is “Offend us at your peril. We will be starve, isolate and/or bomb your people until you submit and our press will make it appear to the that you are absolutely and solely responsible .” If this message is correct, is this not what we should all be up in arms against?

    AAAAAAAhhhhhh

  20. Straight talk

    Gearbox,

    How is it possible for an outside influence to starve a country which was totally self sufficient in food?

    If you can’t answer that, then what is the only alternative reason for Zimbabwe’s plight?

  21. Gearbox

    Totally self sufficient in todays day and age? Which planet did you wake up on by accident?

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAghhhhh

  22. I care nothing about Mugabe. Personally, I never liked his personality – and I thought that he was a major disappointment from the initial phase of his coming to power.
    But one has to be totally blind (or white) not to see the tactics being used by the first world powers to ensure that the pyramid remains ‘right way up’.

    While it is easy for them to make peace among bitter enemies in Europe (Germany, Italy etc), Haiti can never be forgiven for their historic revolution.

    While Russia can become an ally, Cuba will forever be blockaded.

    The message is simple – Our way or the highway.
    Even with our local multi millionaire posse, the threat is always there and always clear – We get what we want or the country will suffer…. thus the Sandy Lane approach to Industrial Relations.

    This is extremely sad for Zimbabweans. No doubt the ‘problem’ will go away should a new leader who kowtows to the first world powers be put in place. No doubt the people will eat again and the diseases will be controlled…. But that is precisely what tells us that the current situation is engineered to reinforce a sinister point…. and NOT principally by Mugabe, who maybe just do not know when to surrender….

  23. @ ST
    Are you suggesting that where entities like the USA, EU, UN etc take positions about boycotting or punishing what they consider to be ‘rogue’ states, that the results become the fault of the leaders?

    When such punishment is transparent and open, (through UN resolutions etc) then it is like being the world’s policemen.

    When sinister forces within the halls of power of these entities are able to exert these strategies to accomplish their own objectives under the PR guise of some red herring (As Bush did in Iraq under the guise of WMD), it becomes a case of bullying and whole countries become pawns of their power games.(You must know of multiple examples of this)

    You are much to intelligent to not be aware of these realities of our world….

  24. Side Line

    I’m amazed there are not a whole lot of responses attributing Zims situation to “the white people.” Are Bajans beginning to get clear vision?

    Haiti and the Dominican Republic are two countries that occupy one island. Haiti is a disaster. DR is doing quite good in comparrison. (I’ve been to both places.) Both these countries were once ‘colonialized.’

    Why is one doing so much better than the other?

    I know the answer and it has to do with a word that begins with ‘c’ . I’ll let fellow posters complete it. It’s the same word that’s the reason for Zimbabwe’s demise.

  25. The Devil

    Bush tea

    I going to be deliberately naughty … let’s forget Zimbabwe for the moment. Would the quality of life in Barbados be affected if say Brazil or the Congo were to cut down their rainforests? Does population growth and consumer spending in India or China affect Barbados? Does piracy off Somalia affect Barbados in any way? If the answers to these questions be in the positive then what should (or can) we do about these issues?

    Now let’s assume that other countries (the rest of the world in fact) are affected (which implicitly answers the questions above), should the “world” not intervene for the “good” of humanity?

    Now here comes the punch line (don’t laugh too loud!) … given that at no time in the history of the world has ALL nations, societies or peoples ever been agreement or acted in consensus or even by negotiation and that order has always been imposed by some powerful group, that there is nothing odd or wrong by Mr Mugabe (and Zimbabwe, or Haiti or Cuba or Iraq) being brought into line?

  26. John

    Bush Tea
    December 13, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    While Russia can become an ally, Cuba will forever be blockaded.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So much for Obama and his lotta long talk about change.

    … and yet, things change (for better or worse) every day.

    Have a little faith.

    Not long from now Mugabe will depart for the great beyond, never to be seen or heard from again.

    Perhaps Zimbabwe will experience a turn around, … or perhaps not.

    Maybe that’s why nobody seems to be doing anything at the moment.

    Nothing lasts forever!!

  27. ru4real

    I dont think for one minute that Cuba will be forever blockaded.
    when Castro goes the capitalists will move in.
    And them watch out Barbados, Cuba is a competitor !
    Anyhow how can you compare Cuba to Zimbabwe?
    No one is starving or dying of cholera or being murdered in Cuba .
    On the contrary they have excellent medical facilities.
    Have enough food to support themselves if not to eat expensive luxuries .

    You just want to blame someone else other than Mugabe – the fact that he and his vets are murdering lying scum is real unfortunately they are also black but the color of ones skin doesn’t make you always right or always the offended party, black or white.
    South Africa is another bunch of hypocrites – they murder the poor Zimbabweans fleeing Mugabe so much for their African brotherhood.
    There aint no such thing.

  28. ru4real

    Gear box

    You know nothing about Zimbabwe not only was it self sufficient it exported food to other countries.
    Its not the US or UK-murdering Zimbabweans but their evil leaders.
    Thousands of Zimbabwean refugees black and white are taking refuge in the UK otherwise they too would be dead.

  29. @ru4real
    I try not to get involved in petit ‘back and forths’ (except of course with respect to flyovers when your hilarious responses makes it all worth it…)
    …but surely even you get the point of my reference to Cuba which, after 60 years, continues to be treated like a bitter enemy by the USA. (unlike Germany for example, or Russia.)….

    ‘will forever be blockaded…’ was just a figure of speech and clearly reflects the intent of a fraction of the US hierarchy.
    Even if Obama changes that next year, the point is clear.

    The fact that Cuba has an excellent health system (one that Trinidad’s PM uses instead of Mount Hope) is testimony to the brilliance of Fidel, one of the few men in history to have defied the illuminati (and the misguided onlookers like you, who just follow CNN and BBC) and lived, AND made a relative success of his country (with all its imperfections).

    When Castro goes, some idiot will take over and Cubans will become tame and docile consumers of first world goods just like us -and subject to their every whim and fancy…. ie, at best, just another Barbados…. Whereas they are now world class models of independence, pride and industry in medicine, sports, education and community involvement.

  30. ru4real

    Its not all roses you know in Cuba.

    Thats why many Cubans leave and work overseas.

    However why should it even need the USA?

    It has access to the entire South American market and the support of South American Leaders such as the oil wealthy Mr Chavez

  31. jodiperry

    To Sideline

    A blog is not exactly an appropriate medium for getting information, opinions yes, facts no. If you want to know the difference between Haiti and the DR please read up on the ‘Independence loan’ that was exacted from Haiti by France. The following link gives you a summary and gives the figures in todays dollars but if memory serves me right it was 90 million francs in 1804. Haiti paid the debt faithfully until it was paid off in 1947.

    http://americas.irc-online.org/pdf/commentary/0609Haiti'sDebt.pdf

    You wont find this info in mainstream news and its practically a forbidden subject in France.

  32. jodiperry

    Sideline/Straigt Talk/Ru4real

    Do you guys have any idea what an economic sanction is???

    Do you have any idea what the term ‘bread basket of africa’ means. Or did Zim appear on your radar after Mugabe started implementing the Lancaster Agreement. Have you ever even heard of this agreement. (Hint, you wont see it on CNN/BBC)

    If the US and the EU imposed economic sanctions on Barbados how long do you think you can sustain your normal life?

    Are you aware that even if South Africa/Botswana can trade with Zimbabwe if that said SA company has US/EU ties (even a single share) they cannot buy from or sell to Zimbabwe?

    Have you guys any idea what happens when the ships stop docking at port in Barbados and all commercial flights are banned ? When the US/EU cuts off all financial dealings with you how long would you be able to live off the land as an island?

  33. ru4real

    @Jodi perry

    Zimbabwe is a land locked country surrounded by four other African nations.

    South Africa, Botswana Zambia and Mozambique.

    Sanctions or no sanctions Mugabe and his brutal cohorts have destroyed this country thats main industry was agricultural.

    There were also sanctions under Ian Smith but Zimbabwe didnt go under then, no one starved or had cholera.

    Mugabe took the farms from the white farmers who knew their stuff and gave it to his cronies ( not the farm workers) who didnt.

    That is the crux of the matter

  34. jodiperry

    I know exactly where Zimbabwe is. My question was how long would Barbados survive a sanction like Zimbabwe’s.

    Do you know that agriculture only accounts for 18 percent of Zim’s GDP? This leaves the 82 percent in services and industry open to the economic sanctions. If your banking sector is destroyed your medium of exchange of goods and services follow. Foreign exchange is what makes or breaks an economy.

    Even if the entire agricultural industries had been wiped out (as with a drought e.g) Zimbabwe would be still able to achieve economic growth.

    The sanctions are what destroyed Zim, not the farms.

  35. ru4real

    So how do you explain why people are starving in the most agriculturally productive area in Africa?

  36. Think ru4real! open your mind a bit…..

    Do you think that anyone in Zimbabwe can buy a spark plug for a tractor? or even a filter? or irrigation pump?

    Have you been to Cuba to see the ingenuity that they have to employ to keep cars made in 1950 running – for lack of the opportunity to buy a bolt, hose or brake pad?

    Go and listen to the British minister of African affairs speak on CNN about Zimbabwe – the crisis with cholera – do you hear him even HINT at offering help? or any kind of assistance to relieve the suffering?

    What assistance what?!?
    all he is focused on is WINNING the fight to depose Mugabe….

    If Mugabe had failed in a level playing field (and I suspect he would have) then you and your ilk would have a case, but give us a break….. this is an economic war, by powerful forces, to punish anyone who would dare try to show that the tables can be successfully turned…

  37. jodiperry

    Are you for real???

    Uganda is the most agricultrally productive country/area in Africa with 25% arable land.

    Zimbabwe’s arable land only accounts for 8%. I wont expect you to know that because thats not what the British/Americans would have as public knowledge.

    Its disturbing to say the least how you are quick to regurgitate the sound bites of the US/EU news media without blinking an eye.

    Even if they made use of all the arable land in Zim, and fed themselves how would they treat the water to prevent cholera?

    The point is Zimbabwe could be sitting on a trillion dollars worth of oil/gold/diamonds or even agricultural produce. If the medium of exchange (monetary system) is destroyed then the country will eventually become a failed state.

    Thats what the sanctions have done effectively.

  38. jodiperry

    Side Line

    I have no idea what they teach in history classes in Barbados, but every high school graduate should know about the ‘reparations’ or ‘independence’ loan that Haiti had to pay France in return for its recognition of the first independent black republic in the new world.

    Yes Haiti was forced under threat of invasion by France (then Germany and the US) to pay France for the loss of ‘property’ after they declared independence.

    http://americas.irc-online.org/pdf/commentary/0609Haiti'sDebt.pdf

    The above link summarizes the cause of Haiti’s poverty stricken situation and I dont see the ‘c’ word here.

    BFP

    I posted this before but am not seeing it.

  39. Gearbox

    @ ru4real

    “Mugabe took the farms from the white farmers who knew their stuff and gave it to his cronies ( not the farm workers) who didnt. That is the crux of the matter”

    Heh, heh… The crux of the matter is that “Mugabe took the farms from the white farmers” PERIOD!!

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAghhhhhhh

  40. Gearbox

    Bushman you and jodiperry holding your own with ease on this one…!

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAghhhhhhhhh

  41. ru4real

    Bush Tea

    I know some Zimbabweans and I listen to them ,people who have lived there and whose relatives still live there.

    Mrs Mugabe does her shopping in Paris so sanctions dont worry her

  42. ru4real

    Yes I have been to Cuba and seen the old cars.

    Cuba has been for the greater part of its existence was supported by the then Soviet Union.

    So some of its things came from there and it it still the country that Cuba exports it produce to

  43. ru4real

    There can be no progress until Mugabe is deposed and the true leader – the one who won the last election, Morgan Tavangirai is appointed President absolute. ( He should never have accepted the humiliating ‘share’ deal which is a total sham)

    Then the other African leaders must stand up and be counted for once and refuse to have anything to do with Mugabes government. The odious two faced Membeki should be replaced in South Africa too he supports Mugabe.

    Its no use blaming the West, Africa has got to grow up and sort out its own problems.
    To go forward it must renounce tyrannical despots and not whinge about what the west does or doesn’t do.

  44. jodiperry

    BFP

    What happened to my two posts on Haiti are they being censured?

    Ru4real

    ‘Africa must must grow up and sort out its own problems.’

    Europe must stop meddling in Africa’s affairs period.

    Europe/US did not lift a finger when 800 thousand Tutsis were massacred in Rwanda.

    When Mugabe as the British intelligence agency claims massacred over 15000 of the Ndebele people in 1984 the US/Britain never even blinked.

    But touch the ‘whites’ property and they scream bloody murder.

    I’m no fan of Mugabe either but not for the same reasons as you. He suffers from the same disease that our politicians suffer from. Poor vision and a blind faith in European institutions.

    He could have avoided disaster if he had only payed attention to what happened to Guyana under Burnham, Uganda under Idi Amin, DRC under Lumumba etc

    Mugabe should have assumed economic power along with political power and should not have left the economy of Zim in the hands of a few wealthy and connected whites.

    From what I understand Barbados is not much different, so you of all people should know better

  45. Straight talk

    BT:

    I’m not disputing the initial bravery of Mugabe in taking on the world, but you of all people must admit the sign of a true leader ( and his character ) is either to have a viable Plan B when things don’t turn out the way they should or gracefully accept his fate and negotiate his re-acceptance of the status quo.

    My bone of contention with the Zimbabwean ruling cadre is that they have fought the fight, catastrophically lost and still will not accept the reality surrounding them.

    Whether through greed, pride or arrogance they are prepared to murderously cling on to power while the ordinary citizens are paying the terrible price of starvation, financial collapse and the eventual breakdown of civilised life.

    Maybe in your opinion that is a worthwhile price for the country to pay for his stand against the UN.

    If the Zimbabwean people could have a fair election I doubt they would agree.

  46. John

    jodiperry
    December 13, 2008 at 5:25 pm
    Sideline/Straigt Talk/Ru4real

    Have you guys any idea what happens when the ships stop docking at port in Barbados and all commercial flights are banned ? When the US/EU cuts off all financial dealings with you how long would you be able to live off the land as an island?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Funny enough in the second world war most ships stopped docking in Barbados and there were of course no commercial flights.

    The German UBoats saw to the ships and aviation was in its infancy.

    But guess what, we lived off the land and were our brother’s keeper!!

    … and that was just a couple of years after the 1937 riots!!!!

    Somehow we have contrived to lose the essence of what it was to be a Bajan.

    Things change, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse.

  47. Gearbox

    Straight talk

    Why don’t you show some true comcern for the people of Zimbabwe and request, no plead that the Western interests (lead by the UK) end their economic war against the innocent people instead of focussing on a leader and refering to a “surrounding reality”.

    AAAAAAAAAAAAghhhhhhhhh

  48. Pat

    @ Bush Tea &
    Jodiperry

    Verry good discussions. Nothing much more to add, except the freezing of Zims assests in US and European banks. If I am not mistaken, they may have been confiscated to “pay” those so-called white farmers, who never paid a penny for Africans landd.

    Cubans can thank Pierre Elliott Truduea, during his tenure, for refusing to follow America and join their bandwagon to ostracize Cuba. Under Trudeau, trade with and Canadian tourism to Cuba brought in the needed foreign currency to send students to the best educational instutitions around the world.

    Mr. Trudeau let it be known, that America “will not be the dog that wags Canada’s tail”. Those were his exact words. What did they do? They started using their press stooges to depict the man as a homosexual. What did Pierre do? He turned up at an international do with none other than their Barbra Streisand, at the peak of her career, on his arm. Oh, we had a good laugh.

    You are both right. Zims failure is due to the white people who see it as their right to control the world. They will always try to keep the black man under their boots.

  49. akabozik

    “Zims failure is due to the white people…”

    Oh please Pat! Any black country that fails is due to whites is your opinion. Mugabe is an evil man and he is a powerful leader. As a result Zimbabwe was taken to where it is now.

  50. Pat

    @akabozik

    Dont tell me what I am saying, have said or mean to say. Regardless of whether Mugabe is an evil man or a good man, he is not responsible for the state of Zimbabwe today.

    Haiti’s too. Go read the history. See how the French and Americans were co-conspirators in the demise of Haiti. Have you any idea what one hundred ‘gold louis’ were in 1834 or there abouts after the Haitian revolution?

    Now imagine a country that did not pay its slaves one sou, did not pay a centime for the land, having to pay France 100 gold louis for every slave on the island. What was America’s role? they lent Haiti the money, at loan sharks rates and controlled the country until Papa Doc paid off the debt, in about 1936. This debt is what hamstrung the country and kept it poor. Not mismanagement as the white press would have one believe.

    I have given you a start, now go do the rest of the research for yourself.

  51. 199

    You are both right. Zims failure is due to the white people who see it as their right to control the world.

    ******************

    Er, Pat, that presumably, would be the same Pierre Trudeau whose wife went nickerless to the party and displayed all her ‘wares’ for the whole world to see – or perhaps, you’ve forgotten that incident!!

    A very, ‘perceptive’ judge of character then, was n’t he!!

  52. 199

    I’m tempted to suggest, a bit like you!!

  53. Gearbox

    Bimbro

    You are on the wrong side on this one. Incidentallly Pierre’s wife going nickerless was a’right with me…

    Pat, you sexy thing, when you think that people’s assets can be frozen, even a country’s assets can be frozen, are these not the issues that people should be concerned with if they are realy interested in the population of a country?

    AAAAAAAAAAAAhhhhhhhhhhh

  54. 199

    Pierre’s wife going nickerless was a’right with me…

    ***********************

    Gearbox, I’m completely, in agreement with u!!

    However, I’ve been told dat I must be serious on these blogs, so I caan say anymo, boa!!

    Laaaaaaaaadddddddddddddddddd!!!!

  55. ru4real

    “Zims failure is due to the white people…”

    Oh please Pat! Any black country that fails is due to whites is your opinion. Mugabe is an evil man and he is a powerful leader. As a result Zimbabwe was taken to where it is now.
    ——————————————–
    I totally agree
    The fact that Mugabe has been murdering Zimbabweans for the last decades seemed to slipped past some peoples consciousness.

  56. ru4real

    Dont tell me what I am saying, have said or mean to say. Regardless of whether Mugabe is an evil man or a good man, he is not responsible for the state of Zimbabwe today.
    ———————————————
    What planet do you live on?

  57. Green Monkey

    Home Office to deport Zimbabwean family who fled Mugabe’s regime

    Woman whose husband was killed for his links to the opposition has claim for asylum rejected after eight years in UK

    By Jane Merrick and Emily Dugan
    Sunday, 14 December 2008

    A Zimbabwean woman and her two daughters who fled the Mugabe regime are to be deported from Britain despite promises by the Government to protect the country’s citizens.

    Priviledge Thulambo, 39, whose husband was murdered by Robert Mugabe’s men, and her children are being detained in a controversial immigration centre after being seized by immigration officers on Friday.

    Friends of the family said the Home Office would be guilty of “murder by the back door” by deporting the three women. They are all Zimbabwean nationals, but because they entered the UK on Malawian passports – the only way they could escape the Mugabe regime – eight years ago, they have had their claims for asylum rejected.

    After spending Christmas in the grim surroundings of the Yarl’s Wood detention centre, they will be forced on to a flight to Malawi on 29 December. Because of their Zimbabwean nationality they are likely to be immediately sent to their home country, where they face torture or death.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/home-office-to-deport-zimbabwean-family-who-fled-mugabes-regime-1066094.html

  58. ru4real

    Meanwhile the Chinese , who are not given to scruples are quietly taking over Africa ( they have just built Mr Mugabe a 4.5 million dollar mansion,) presumably in thanks for signing away Zimbabwes platinum rights to them.
    They are doing this in many other African countries and shortly will become the worlds superpower.

  59. jodiperry

    Pat

    The general impression that I’m getting from reading the posts 199, sideline strait talk etc is that we in the caribbean have been shortchanged in terms of ‘our-story’ and have been brain washed with the europeans version of the story. To top it off we do not read.

    I wont go as far as Bowman to characterize posters as clueless but there is clearly a lack of insight and basic history of Africa and the Caribbean even.

    Haiti independence loan from France should be common knowledge for all Caribbean peoples.

    The school of thought that Africans think themselves superior to us should have been abandonned years ago.

    Last but not least is the unfounded supposition that ‘africans sold their own people into slavery’ which is being propogated left right and center without a shred of evidence.

    Why have we never asked the Europeans to provides receipts or proof of the transactions of sale of blacks for the new world is beyond me.

  60. Gearbox

    ru4real

    Seriously, are you realy fah real? Where do you dig this drivel up from? Once it is anti-Mugabe you goin’ wid it huh…!

    AAAAAAAAAAAghhhhhhhh

  61. Gearbox

    Pat
    “supposition that africans sold their own people into slavery”

    You sexy thing, I believe it…!
    And it is clear to see be the actions of today’s black academic class, particularly the ones that serve in national politics and in high offices of the local business interests and must take responsibility for serving up our population as a viable market to be exploited by North American and European exploitative business operations.

    AAAAAAAAAghhhhhhhh

  62. The Devil

    Jodiperry

    Re your comment “Last but not least is the unfounded supposition that ‘africans sold their own people into slavery’ which is being propogated left right and center without a shred of evidence. ”

    What does the history of the Kingdom of Benin tell us about this issue?

  63. 199

    jodiperry

    The school of thought that Africans think themselves superior to us should have been abandonned years ago.

    *************

    Confirmatory proof of your lack of knowledge, of africans, unless you’re blind!!

  64. reality check

    “Mugabe should have assumed economic power along with political power and should not have left the economy of Zim in the hands of a few wealthy and connected whites.”

    This sounds like the beginning of the “Final Solution?”

    Every time one scares away capital that creates jobs, this erodes the earning power of every citizen.

    This whole issue is about dictatorship and the Rule of Law.

    There is none in Zimbawe and very little in Barbados.

  65. akabozik

    Rule of law, RC? I don’t think I’ve heard those words before on Barbados. What do they mean? 😉

  66. jodiperry

    Devil

    I bet you googled long and hard for that one.

    Whose history of the Kingdom of Benin, the French or the Beninois? Approx 14 to 25 million units were moved to the new world over a period of 400 years.

    Do you know the names of these slaves merchants? Can you give me the names of these African traders?

    Are you telling me that an obscure King from Benin was responsible for moving these units.

    What was the unit of exchange for these slaves, guns, alchohol, gold, textiles?

  67. jodiperry

    199

    Africa is a continent, not a country. Have you been to the african continent.

    Who are these Africans who feel superior to us, Egyptians, Gabonese or Kenyans?

    How do you know this?

  68. 199

    How do u think I know it ‘Jod’, if not by living, working and existing among them!! Do/have you!!

  69. The Devil

    Alas Jodiperry

    googled? how vain you are! An obscure King?… Whatever suits your fragile sense of superiority.

  70. Straight talk

    The Devil:

    It appears Jodiperry has not visited the slave prisons of the West Coast of Africa.

    His/Her opinions are formed not through experience, but biased hearsay.

    I’ve seen your hell- holes and read their history, why did you do this to such a vulnerable people?

    Or did you in some sort of twisted benevolence want them to inherit the West Indies rather than stay as freeborn Africans.

    Your schemes can be so Machiavellian I know not how to fathom your master plan.

  71. The Devil

    “My” master plan? I wish … even I am at the mercy of the greater power.

    “And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when He was set, His disciples came unto him:

    And He opened His mouth, and taught them, saying,

    Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven….”

  72. Straight talk

    What a load of cobblers from the Lord of the Underworld, your quote could be verbatim from Ms Marion Williams.

    God preserve us!

  73. The Devil

    “God preserve us!”? really now, there is no need to get nasty!

    OK let’s revisit your whimsical plaintive re the master plan. I suppose a more “in the role” response might be that profound invective ……

    S@it happens!

  74. Six million have died in Congo since 1996, thousands are dying in Ethiopia and Somalia as we speak. cnn, bbc are quiet. Thousands and thousands of soldiers from Zim, Malawi,Mozambique have fought for UK against Germans. Now hear the cries of neglect from those brave old veterans that has survive.-TalkZimbabwe.com.
    These colonial serfs should know better, there’s no excuse.

  75. jodiperry

    Devil/Straight Talk

    Anyone with a PC and internet access can trade petty insults online.

    All I’m asking for is some African names. Somebody, Anybody, Nobody and Everybody are not real people.

    I can give you countless names of Europeans who traded slaves how about you giving me some Africans in return. Fair is fair

    Let me start of the name calling:

    British west/east india company
    Dutch East India Company
    Napolean France
    Francis Drake Britain
    John Hawkins Britain

    Or do I have to settle for ‘the europeans said so so it must be true’

  76. ru4real

    How can you ask for names that have long since been lost to history?
    The Africans and Arabs had been trading slaves for time immemorial- there are still today slaves in Africa.
    Many slaves were prisoners from tribal warfare one tribe had no problem enslaving and selling captured enemies.
    Europeans would have been incapable of capturing the vast number of slaves that came to the west all by themselves.
    Moreover slaves were sold to the Middle and Far East as well it is just not as well documented.

  77. jodiperry

    Just as I thought, I’m gonna have to accept the the Europeans said so so it is so.

    Slavery as we know it never existed in Africa. Indentured servitude as practiced in Guyana is the closest definition one can think of. In Africa the ‘slaves’ were not chattel, were paid and could ‘buy’ or ‘serve’ their time out of servitude.

    My question is how can you be so sure of something NOT DOCUMENTED that happened 400 years ago. Doesnt it seem at least curious that only one half of the ‘transaction’ was recorded??? Where are the records for the other half of the transaction, where they paid the Africans for the captives?

    Have you never wondered how much/and what currency was used to buy a single person. Was an able bodied male worth one musket for example or a bottle of whiskey?

    Where were these slaves who were sold from time immemorial sold to. Where are their descendants today in Europe or the Middle east????

  78. jodiperry

    199

    In Barbados or in the country of Africa?

    As for me Ive spent the last 3 years between Lausanne and Paris and have visited the continent of Africa 4 times during that period. So besides living among the largest African community in Europe I have actually set foot on the father/mother land 4 times.

  79. 199

    Jodi, try living among them in London, or anywhere in the UK, and then we can talk!!

  80. ru4real

    Jodiperry
    I am sure that the slave trading was documented by the Arab slave traders but these documents would have been lost over time. Or not considered historically important.
    Its not strange. Britain was in many ways a more advanced country and set store by such things.
    If you ask some African historians no doubt they will be able to find some evidence.
    To say that there was no slavery ‘as we know it’ is laughable – slavery is when one person owns another.

    This was rife in Africa and in the Middle east..
    The Arabs all had slaves and most of them either died out or were integrated in the population.
    You will see many black arabs especially in the north of the country just as you will also see blond or red haired Arabs as slaves were not JUST traded from Africa but from Europe as well.
    The trade in slaves to the Caribbean was mostly young men – for work with the sugar industry.
    The trade to Arabia was mostly young women to be used as servants and concubines.

  81. ru4real—Those issues have never been ignored. This is always the first question that is raised to defend an indefensible position and to transfer guilt to African countries. The Middle East also needs to take equal responsibility and to have an open debate, like the one that is happening now.

  82. Mr.T

    is the same thing they say about Guyana. They should sort themselves out. Now Guyanese coming to Barbados in drove,you guys are crying out.

  83. ru4real

    O get a life Starchild
    No one is transferring guilt just stating facts as they were in bygone times.
    Whether you like it or not Africans traded other Africans.
    All those who traded in slaves are long dead, too late for guilt, time to move on.

  84. 199

    jodiperry
    December 16, 2008 at 9:29 pm
    199

    In Barbados or in the country of Africa?

    *******************

    Africa, a country?? A Sarah Palin moment?!!

  85. akabozik

    Tafari used to say “country of Africa”.

  86. ru4real
    Sounds like the rhetoric of an apologist.
    We share a common humanity, which means that we are all people of equal worth to act and embrace that common humanity. The history of where we have been shapes the road to where we are going.

  87. ru4real

    Starchild
    Why dont you go and study some history instead of using silly soundbites.

    If you believing other Africans were blameless and only Europeans were the bad guys makes you feel good then do so.

    We are all a common humanity but harping on down the wrong track only makes people resentful today. We cannot by one jot change history, what is past is past .

  88. ru4real
    Ah His-story!
    A people without their history, is like a tree without roots. The idea is not to make resentful but Respectful. It is a pity that apologist cannot show respect, recognition and humility to black people of the past and today and be honest about involvement.
    The current western military plans for policing the continent — show that colonialism still haunts Africa.

  89. ru4real

    What plans are these resentido?
    Why do so many Africans try to escape from Africa – risking their lives trying to get to Europe ?

  90. jodiperry

    ru4real

    How convienient that the receipts were lost, how is it that the receipts in the New World are still housed safe and sound in the archives in the US and London. Where are the other half of the transactions. How did the ship companies balance their books pray tell? If they bought people/textile/gold/ in Africa how do you account for the money spent or goods bartered? Why if each unit was purchased was a fifth to a third of the slave cargo was allowed to die and be thrown overboard?

    In one sentence you claim to ‘be sure’ that the Arab traders had documents then you go on to suggest that ‘I ask’ an African historian. That confirms that you are way over your head on this topic and have no clue of what your speaking. If you are ‘so sure’ then share the info with us.

    As for Africa being a country I see that the sarcasm went right over you head (not surprising) If you were to read on you would see I mentioned the continent in the following paragraph.

    Btw. AFRICOM is the name of the project to militarize the African continent as alluded to by Starchild. But then I guess you’ll have do a lot more than watch CNN to know this.

  91. ru4real
    Structural inequality-Social unjustice-Subvertive democracy. The occupation of land by Whites has had a direct impact on Africa’s economy preventing the ability of the local indigenous population from competing fairly. Unless Black Africans gain access to their land ownership they remain poor.

  92. ru4real

    The occupation of land by whites aint got nothing to do with the present economy. There plenty cash for Mrs Mugabe to fly round the world shopping while the country starves.

  93. The basic definition of an economy is the realized social system of production, exchange, distribution, and consumption of goods and services of a country. Turn off the TV.