Witness Intimidation In Barbados: Was Mercedes Van At Home By Accident – Or For A Sinister Reason?

Similar Van Was At Witness Home

Similar Van Was At Witness Home (photo from Wikipedia - not the actual van)

For Barbados and for our children, this threatening of court witnesses must stop. This firing of court witnesses must stop. This harassment of court witnesses must stop.

If the police will not stop it, then we must turn to the court of world opinion. Barbados Free Press will do everything it can to ensure that each of our three million visitors a year learn how Bajan citizens and court witnesses are threatened, harassed and fired from their jobs by the powerful cartel that runs this island.

This must and will stop.

UPDATED: Grape Hall, Barbados – December 11, 2008 10:27pm

Submitted by Keltruth on 2008/12/11 at 9:34pm

“I just received a message from Jane Goddard. It seems that this driver took a wrong turn. I am so surprised that he persevered to the end of the gap.

Cars belonging to important government people have been driving around in the past, but have sped off to avoid identifying the driver.

This driver arrived at a bad time when nerves were frayed.”

Ok, now the witnesses know that this specific driver who came onto their property was simply lost. Those who choose to focus on this one vehicle are happy to dismiss the ongoing pattern of threats made against court witnesses over the last 18 months along with the arsons and confirmation from Member of Parliament Dr. Duguid that one of the computers at the Barbados Legislature was used to make death threats against witnesses in the Kingsland case.

As one of our readers (Red Lake Lassie) commented to another reader who took the view that nothing is amiss…

I would refer you to the letters written by Adrian Loveridge and finally published by him when the police engaged in a cover up. Do you believe that Mr. Loveridge is lying?

I would refer you to the written comments of Dr. Duguid on this very blog that there were death threats coming from a computer at Parliament.

I would refer you to the transcripts of a tape recorded conversation between Peter Simmons, the brother of the Chief Justice, where this government diplomat was tape recorded telling another person that unless John Knox stops being a witness in the Kingsland case, he will be fired from the University of the West Indies.

Professor Knox was fired.

After all that, if you remain unconvinced by public statements by Adrian Loveridge, Dr. Duguid and the tape recording of the brother of the Chief Justice threatening a witness in a court proceeding then there is nothing that will shift your partisan perspective.

Have a read again of what BWWR and “Pat” say a Barbados Underground. Their defenders have to parse the language the way liars do without looking at the overall picture that is clear. BWWR and Pat urge people to stalk witnesses in the same court case.

Protest all you want, the truth is clear to see for those without an agenda.”

Comments At Barbados Underground Blog Urge People To Harass Court Witnesses

We are suffering from a bit of Kingsland fatigue here at Barbados Free Press. We’ve been following the story as best as we can at the Keltruth Blog and at Barbados Underground blog where the respective sides of this long-running dispute typically do battle. Long ago we came out favouring the Keltruth side because we know how things work around here. Not to mention that we also tend to take the side of anyone being threatened with death by Barbados government supporters.

And that last statement might not sound like the Barbados portrayed in the tourist adverts, but if you look closer you’ll find much on this island that isn’t exactly as portrayed in those photos of happy couples running through the surf or cuddling on the beach by candlelight to the melodies of happy Bajans.

Nope. Things are often a whole lot different on this island than the advertisements show.

For the past year and a bit, BLP government supporters have been threatening and harassing witnesses involved in the Kingsland case. The brother of the Chief Justice (Peter Simmons) said that witness John Knox would lose his job as a University of the West Indies professor if he didn’t shut up. Professor Knox filed an affidavit in the case and was promptly fired.

That’s the way it is around here.

Chief Justice David Simmons himself said that unless the charges against him were dropped, he would use his political influence to stop the National Park at Graeme Hall – and it sure looks like the Chief Justice was telling the truth about his power.

Old Mrs. Knox and her daughters have been threatened with rape and murder on the internet. Government critic Adrian Loveridge was targeted by the same thugs who threatened the Knox family. They threatened to murder Loveridge, rape his wife and burn down his hotel.

Subsequent to the threats there were two arsons at Adrian’s hotel and the police didn’t even bother to come to the scene, interview witnesses or look for the arsonist(s). When some of the threats were traced to a computer sometimes used by BLP Member of Parliament Dr. Duguid (who was good enough to confirm the fact publicly), the police decided that FOR SURE they wanted nothing to do with investigating threats to arson, rape and murder that were coming from the Parliament Building of this sovereign country of Barbados.

That’s the way it is around here.

New Threats On Barbados Underground Blog

So you can perhaps understand why we are upset and saddened to see that David at Barbados Underground blog has now allowed his venue to be used to deliver further threats to witnesses in the Kingsland case. The author called BWWR (Black Woman Who Reads) has been publishing various Kingsland articles on Barbados Underground and always comes right up to the line – calling Madge Knox crazy and such just like the wording we’ve all seen in the rape and murder threats. This time, however, BWWR is calling for citizens to harass Mrs. Knox and her daughters at their homes and beach home.

Don’t forget, this exhortation to harass the witnesses comes after threats of rape, murder and the firing of the son John Knox from his position at the University.

No matter which side of this Kingsland matter you favour, this threatening, harassment and firing of witnesses by very powerful government elites is the most disgusting event. It has been going on for far too long because of the powerful people involved and the cowardly behaviour of our police.

The Day After Barbados Underground Allowed Coordinated Harassment of Witnesses…

On December 7, 2008, only a day and a bit after Barbados Underground allowed people to use the blog to coordinate harassment of witnesses involved in a current court case, a mysterious Mercedes van arrived at the home of one of the witnesses. As you can imagine, the witnesses are frightened and upset – and they were seeking to know the truth about the person who drove the van onto their property. You can read the full story at the Keltruth Blog.

You can also talk about this at work, at school and at home and invite your family, friends and neighbours to become acquainted with the ongoing threats and harassment by powerful people in the Kingsland court case – and in quite a few other cases that we’ve heard about. (Ronja Juman, Stefan Griffith and a host of others over the years.)

For Barbados and for our children, this threatening of court witnesses must stop. This firing of court witnesses must stop. This harassment of court witnesses must stop.

If the police will not stop it, then we must turn to the court of world opinion. Barbados Free Press will do everything it can to ensure that each of our three million visitors a year learn how Bajan citizens and court witnesses are threatened, harassed and fired from their jobs by the powerful cartel that runs this island.

For the latest, read the Keltruth Blog article Efforts to Silence Witnesses in $500m Lawsuit Also Endanger Expatriates

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85 responses to “Witness Intimidation In Barbados: Was Mercedes Van At Home By Accident – Or For A Sinister Reason?

  1. RRRicky

    Too much smoke around with these threats against Loveridge and other witnesses. Tape recording of Peter Simmons saying John Knox going to be fired and then he was etc. Don’t these people who do this realise how this plays in London and Washington? Too much smoke around and it look bad.

  2. cl8

    I read the Keltruth post and I can see why they are upset. I wonder who the man was driving the van? Assuming he was there by accident it would calm everything down if he would come forward. On the other hand if he was there because of the BU comments that would be very bad indeed.

  3. Adrian Loveridge

    RRRicky,

    Not quite sure what you are saying!

    Stay silence, say nothing just in case.

    What if it was your wife or your home?

  4. cl8

    I’m not saying anything special. I know nothing about it except what I read here and at Keltruth. Did the van go to the witness house because of the urging at Barbados Underground or was the man looking for someone and had the wrong house?

    The man who drive the van should be told by people that his registration number is on BFP. He should clarify WHY he was at the witness house.

  5. passin thru

    Maybe Ricky means “where there is smoke, there is bound to be a fire” ?

  6. passin thru

    As in all these threats are real, not made up?

  7. J

    “The man who drive the van should be told by people that his registration number is on BFP. He should clarify WHY he was at the witness house.”

    So Barbadians have to notify BFP now whan thye want to go from point a to point B.

    What are you going to suggest now cl8, a system of passes? with BFP being the authority of who can be where when?

    We are big boys and girls we cannot expect the police, the courts nor BFP to hold our hands evertime we want to cross the road (of life).

    If somebody comes to my house without invitation I am always man enough (or woman enough) to ask them to leave.

  8. Red Lake Lassie

    J’s statements sound so reasonable until someone sets your hotel on fire after threatening to do so like happened to Loveridge.

  9. J

    Oh BFP and Kelthuth:

    People come into my cul de sac all the time asking for Sam Kie and the Duppy. I do not “accost them with a large dog” I have no dog, large or small. I ask them politely “may I help you?” Invaribly they are genuinely lost and this helpful, old fashioned Bajan sends them happily on their way.

  10. J

    Dear Red Lake Lassie:

    BFP, Barbados Underground, BWWR et al. would have us all descend into paranoia.

    Red Lake I live here all the time. I walk about Barbados from January to December. I have no dog, no gun, nor armed guards. I am happy and UNAFRAID.

    Barbados is NOT run by a powerful carrtel.

    Powerful cartel what. Pepole only have as much power as we give to them. The so called powerful in Barbados are routinely defanged.

    I think however there are a number of people who need to be on medication for paranoia.

  11. Anonymous

    Quote from Kelltruth….

    “At 1:20pm today, December 7th, 2008, a white Mercedes-Benz Sprinter 313 van, registration number XXXXXX, stopped in the front yard of Jane Goddard’s house. A dark-complexioned man, estimated to be in his forties, stepped out of the van. He was accosted by Jane Goddard and a large dog. The man stated he was looking for Charles Walcott. Does anyone know who owns this van? Who is Charles Walcott? Does he even exist? ”

    I don’t get this…

    The van is a common van used for deliveries in Barbados. The guy gets out, says he’s looking for someone, when he’s told he doesn’t live there, he gets back into the van and leaves. No mention of any threatening language, gestures or of refusing to leave or even any odd behaviour.

    What about this was threatening? Or intimidating?

    The fact that he was a black man?

    That he was there at all?

    40’s is a little old for a thug don’t you think?

  12. Red Lake Lassie

    Barbados Underground says people should stalk the witnesses and J is surprised that the witnesses are upset when it happened!

  13. Kathy

    The van could not possibly have been going from “Point A to Point B”. It was at the dead end of a long gap that is almost impassible, especially to a Mercedes. The best case scenario was that the driver was hopelessly lost and felt that jolting his bones and destroying his suspension over potholes would help clear his head.

  14. J

    And Dear BFP:

    Please take that picture that was obviously taken in a northern spring or fall – the trees are bare of leaves, but the grass is still green – off your website. It only makes you appear to be even more deceptive.

    I too live at least 12 minutes walk off the nearest main road, and people of all genders and races have over the years become lost and stopped to ask me for directions.

    But then again I am not afraid of black men (nor white ones either)

  15. J

    “it would calm”

    So who is upset and needs to be calmed down?

    I think that some of you need to take your meds.

  16. @All… (“As seen on TV!” Actually, BU…)

    This is a bit like Murdoch’s Fox News…

    Lots and lots of fast language… Quick video cuts… Flashing colours… Let them try to keep up…

    Let’s keep them off balance. Let’s keep them scared…

    Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD)… It works every time…

    Sigh…

    If nothing else, surly we have the ability to see we’re being played here?

    Don’t we?

  17. J

    Yes Chris.

    But since they people are denigrating my country in the public domain, I HAVE TO mount a public defense.

    Nobody who tell lies on Barbados and Barbadians can expect me to silently collude.

  18. J

    Then again when I was a child all the plantations near to me kept multiple large dogs. As I dodged these dogs, taking a short cut through the gully to my grandmother’s house – she died when I was 4 – then and now I wondered what the plantation owners were afraid of. 50 years ago my 4 year old self was not afraid to walk about Barbados at all hours, 50 years on I am still not afraid.

    D*mn silly people.

  19. Anonymous

    Get the names and addresses of the people doing the threatening, newspspers publish their picture, court sentence them and lock them up. Story done.

    Barbados does not need this negative publicity.

  20. HUH???

    bfp is the arbiter of all things moral, right, just and true… so say its loyal fundamentalist, stupid supporters.

  21. queenam

    1. I see nothing in barbados underground to suggest that WWR is calling for citizens to harass Mrs. Knox and her daughters at their homes and beach home.

    2. Who says that threats against Adrian L. was in connection with the Knox case? Show the evidence. please!

    3. From the report above, I have read nothing to even suggest that the white van was up to anything sinister. Please! People have come into my area and asked for directions or for persons. I have even done that in other areas. so what’s the big deal? You assumed that because the person in questioned happened to approach the Knox, that everything single thing is connected to their case?

    Grow up for once!

  22. @J…

    I obviously have to re-examine my writing style… This is now the second time I’ve had to clarify my language…

    I *agree* with you.

    Please see my response to NFTM over on BU.

    I would write more here, but I never know what words will trigger a moderation here (even though I *always* post using my real name, and from the same IP)….

  23. I just received a message from Jane Goddard. It seems that this driver took a wrong turn. I am so surprised that he persevered to the end of the gap.

    Cars belonging to important government people have been driving around in the past, but have sped off to avoid identifying the driver.

    This driver arrived at a bad time when nerves were frayed.

  24. J

    Dear Keltruth, Jane and BFP:

    Take two anti-anxiety pills and call me in the morning.

  25. J

    BFP, Keltruth et al seem to think that 21st century Barbados is 20th century apartheid South Africa.

    They seem to want that black people should need passes or permissions – no doubt issued by BFP/Kelthuth – to go about their ordinary daily business. No pass. No go.

    Well it ain’t happening ’bout here.

    If the Kelthuths, BFP’s Goddards are – in spite of their big dogs – afraid to live here, then they are free to go. Nobody in Barbados except for a few criminals is in detention. We are ALL free to stay here, and we are ALL free to go elswhere.

  26. @Keltruth Corp… Please forgive me for this, but I call “bovine excrement”…

    This entire Blog has claimed “Witness Intimidation”…

    And now you say that somehow the driver of M1149 has contacted you directly, and it was all an innocent mistake…

    But you still claim that “Cars belonging to important government people have been driving around in the past, but have sped off to avoid identifying the driver.

    Bovine excrement!!!!

    @All… I let the “evidence” stand. (And reek!)

    I rest….

  27. reality check

    threatening witnessess and and vicitimization is just more of the same corruption as was prevalent with the last bunch of thugs who appear to be still in place or in positions of influence.

    Watching the Senate seat for sale corruption going on in Illinois this week, it is incredibly inspiring to watch Obama and his team have nothing to do with this whole game of bribes and influence peddling.

    As Obama has stated, there is two schools of thought on government service: one that it is an honour and privilege to serve your fellow citizens and the other that power and position is just one more business for sale to the highest bidder.

    Illinois is replete with corrupt politicians, some of whom are now still in jail. It is also a state from which the likes of Abraham Lincoln, Paul Simon and many others have served their voters with distinction and honour.

    Which school of thought does David Thompson come from?

    Whether the van was innocently driving up the gap
    or not is not as important ( paranoia is bred by other threats such as BWWR on BU ) as all the IP addresses in the hands of the police and Cable and Wireless. Who are these threats coming from and who has sanctioned and paid for them?

    Will Thompson do the right thing and cause all of the IP’s to be released and charge people criminally ?

  28. Red Lake Lassie

    Chris Halsall,

    I would refer you to the letters written by Adrian Loveridge and finally published by him when the police engaged in a cover up. Do you believe that Mr. Loveridge is lying?

    I would refer you to the written comments of Dr. Duguid on this very blog that there were death threats coming from a computer at Parliament.

    I would refer you to the transcripts of a tape recorded conversation between Peter Simmons, the brother of the Chief Justice, where this government diplomat was tape recorded telling another person that unless John Knox stops being a witness in the Kingsland case, he will be fired from the University of the West Indies.

    Professor Knox was fired.

    After all that, if you remain unconvinced by public statements by Adrian Loveridge, Dr. Duguid and the tape recording of the brother of the Chief Justice threatening a witness in a court proceeding then there is nothing that will shift your partisan perspective.

    Have a read again of what BWWR and “Pat” say a Barbados Underground. Their defenders have to parse the language the way liars do without looking at the overall picture that is clear. BWWR and Pat urge people to stalk witnesses in the same court case.

    Protest all you want, the truth is clear to see for those without an agenda.

  29. Red Lake Lassie

    J: as far as the witnesses being “free to go” from Barbados, I believe that is the intent of all this stalking coordination at BU.

    Professor John Knox was “free to go” from his job at the University of the West Indies after Peter Simmons said he would be fired if he continued as a witness.

    You can’t hide this information because Peter Simmons was tape recorded when he did it.

  30. J

    Dear Red Lake Lassie:

    I also said that they are free to stay.

    You however are free to jump in the lake.

  31. 197

    Barbados is so small that business, politricks and the courts are all run by the same people. It is not surprising that John Knox was fired because he testified in court against the interests of the people who run the country. Notice I didn’t say that he testified against the interests of the country, but against the interests of the people who run the country.

    What was Knox thinking? You can’t beat people like the Simmons brothers in court! They and their friends control everything. That is why if you are on the good side of these people you prosper, and why if you are on the bad side you are fired. Knox should have kept his mouth shut like a good little man who know he place.

  32. 197

    LOL J don’t say anything about the Peter Simmons tape recording of him threatening that Knox will be fired!

  33. Pat

    @ Red Lake Lassie,

    You have to be losing your vision, or you dont understand language. Please quote the statements on BU where “Pat” urge people to stalk witnesses.

    Dont come back with a ‘bovine excrement’ Keltruth excuse. Just quote verbatim the stamements urging stalking, harassment or intimidation. I am waiting.

    J.

    Well said. I could not do it better. Dont be intimidated. You are in a free country, where freedom of speech is guaranteed. Dont let anyone take that away without a fight. Some people really behave as though they are the Almighty and ordinary Bajans their serfs.

  34. Juris

    Who is this PROFESSOR Knox? The University has no record of a PROFESSOR by that name?

  35. 197

    See what Juris does? Tries to shift the conversation to a minute detail that doesn’t matter: the proper title of John Knox.

    You see, that is what they do. The issue is “Was John Knox told he would be fired from his job at UWI if he continued testifying? Was he fired? Who delivered the message?”

    But Juris thinks the job title is where he can obfuscate the real issue.

  36. SBS

    In California Peter Simmons would have to pay millions to settle a lawsuit if he threatened to fire someone over being a witness. The newspapers and television reporters would hound him to death. Barbados reporters must be a different breed.

  37. Anonymous

    I’m with Chris….

    “But you still claim that “Cars belonging to important government people have been driving around in the past, but have sped off to avoid identifying the driver.

    Bovine excrement!!!!”

    Despite suspicious cars being driven off you choose to blog about the lost deliveryman?????

    Why weren’t these mentioned before?

    Was it because they hadn’t been thought of yet?

    I’m sorry this whole “witness intimidation” line just seems like cr+p to me.

    In fact my view is that if you had a strong legal argument you would fight in court not on the blogs.

  38. Anonymous

    Pat

    This BFP lacky has no original individual thoughts.

    Whatever BFP says is gospel to her so dont expect her to take up your challenge.

  39. @Keltruth Corp.: “Cars belonging to important government people have been driving around in the past, but have sped off to avoid identifying the driver.

    There’s a very cool technology… It’s even in use here in Barbados.

    It’s called a “License Plate”…

    Using this advanced technology, you no longer need to “identify the driver” of a vehicle, you simply need to record said plate number…

    Because of advances in optics (read: use your eyes), vehicles can even be identified from a distance….

  40. Pat

    @Keltruth Corp.

    “Cars belonging to important government people have been driving around in the past, but have sped off to avoid identifying the driver.”
    *************************

    If the cars sped off before to avoid identifying the driver, how does one determine that they are “important government people”?

    Explain to us poor imbeciles, how you can determine that these were government people if you could not see the driver or even record the license plate? For all we know they could have been Guyanese looking for somewhere to squat.

    They may even have been tourists out sightseeing.

  41. Juris

    197, you say that titles don’t matter, but you would agree that the dismissal of a “professor” sounds much more intriguing than the refusal to renew the contract of a part-time temporary tutor!

  42. Pat

    @197

    If John Knox was a professor, he would have been tenured, therefore could not be fired. If one is hired on contract, the employer is under no obligation to renew, extend said contract when the term of employment is served.

  43. Pat

    @BFP

    Where is Anon3’s post of yesterday? It seems to have disappeared. Would it be asking too much to have it put back? Many thanks.

  44. Cliverton Not Signed In

    Yes Pat, we took it out.

    We don’t allow our place to be used to coordinate the stalking of witnesses, even if Barbados Underground has changed his tune and is allowing it.

  45. Cliverton Not Signed In

    As far as John Knox goes, Peter Simmons said he’d be fired if he didn’t stop testifying, and then he was fired after testifying.

    Very simple. Anybody can see the corruption.

    Just like they can see what Pat, Juris and some others are all about.

    Folks aren’t as stupid as the political elites in this country would like to believe. People have learned to remain silent on certain issues (as John Knox learned) but it doesn’t mean they are stupid.

    One day an honest and powerful leader will come forth in this country and when that happens and the people rally, the corrupt cartel will be shocked.

  46. J

    Dear BFP you wrote “One day an honest and powerful leader will come forth in this country and when that happens and the people rally, the corrupt cartel will be shocked.”

    Help me here.

    A powerful leader will come forth …and the people rally.

    You mean to tell me that the powerful leader will come before the people put her (or him) there? You mean the people are an afterthought?

  47. akabozik

    Cliverton, why don’t you ban J now and get it over with? Nonsense she talks. BU has become a big DLP celebration with J and others taking over belittling people.

  48. Pat

    J
    December 14, 2008 at 1:54 am

    Dear BFP you wrote “One day an honest and powerful leader will come forth in this country and when that happens and the people rally, the corrupt cartel will be shocked.”

    Help me here.

    A powerful leader will come forth …and the people rally.

    You mean to tell me that the powerful leader will come before the people put her (or him) there? You mean the people are an afterthought?
    *************************

    Poor Bim if you end up with a Caecescu or Saddam or Pol Pot or Pinochet, etc., etc.

    Seems to that Cliverton has plans…..

  49. J

    Dear aka:

    Believe it or not I have NEVER been a member of ANY political party.

    And in fact even though I have voted for the DLP (and the BLP) in the past. I did NOT vote for the DLP in the last elections. I will assess their performance and decide whether or NOT I will vote for them in the next election.

    So why is it again that you want Cliverton to ban me?

    Is it that you don’t like it that I speak the truth as I see it?

  50. J

    I do not look to powerful leaders for (earthly) salvation. I “save” myself by the sweat of my own brow and the work of my own hands.

    And for spiritual salvation, I look to God (and not to his human messengers)

  51. J

    I am regularly taken to task on both BFP and BU for being a member or sympathizer of both the BLP and DLP.

    I am truly puzzled as to why anybody would think that I am partisan.

  52. J

    Dear aka:

    I set you some homeowork.

    Do not come back on this blog until you have read Animal Farm.

    Your first posting when you come back will be a book report on Animal Farm.

  53. PiedPiper

    Chris, which way is the wind blowing today? You remind me of a palm tree that bends in the direction of least resistance. In view of the surrent situation and threats that have been made via BU and other sites and the remoteness of Cattlewash, I, too, would be suspicious of any vehicle that came up that road. It’s called the protective instinct that exists in all of us.
    Pat: You are one of the most disengenious, phoney, self serving individuals I have encountered on the Net. If you insist on ramming your agenda down people’s throats, stick with BU and your pal BWWR where they care more about racking up hits and posts than integrity and balanced reporting.

  54. @PiedPiper: “You remind me of a palm tree that bends in the direction of least resistance.

    Then you have a *very* bad memory….

  55. San Diego

    I agree 100% with PiedPiper and most of his posts are good, but oh, how I wish he would stop talking to himself and agreeing with/congratulating himself using his other names (Sargeant and No Name). Do others do that and get away with it on this blog? It is so obvious when he does it.

  56. Adrian Loveridge

    ‘Marked Cop – Sergeant in Maloney probe receives death threat’

    Front page Daily NATION
    Tuesday 16th December 2008.

    Does this mean the RBPF will investigate these death threats against their own.

    Maybe there is hope for private citizens to have death threats against them investigated?

  57. PiedPiper

    San Diego, this issue has been addressed before and BFP staff, who have the ability to check IPs, made a post stating that I am not Sargeant, No Name, RU4Real or anyone other than “PiedPiper”. I should think some of the posters you have mentioned may, in fact, be insulted at the very thought of having their posts credited to me.

  58. San Diego

    Well, I wouldn’t imagine you would be that daft to use the same IP for all your different names! You can fool some of the people some of the time …….
    Merry X’mas and happy New Year to all 3, or 4 or 5 of you over there in Canada.

  59. PiedPiper

    San Diego, Let’s use some intelligence shall we? BFP is able to see Sargeant’s IP, No Name’s IP, RU4Real’s IP and whoever else you accuse me of being. And you know what they would see? They would see IPs that are exclusive to Canada and IPs that are exclusive to Barbados and various other countries. As much as I wish I had the ability to be in two places at once, it is simply not possible.

  60. @PiedPiper: “Let’s use some intelligence shall we? BFP is able to see Sargeant’s IP, No Name’s IP, RU4Real’s IP and whoever else you accuse me of being.

    Let us use more than intelligence. Let us use some knowledge…

    @PP: “And you know what they would see? They would see IPs that are exclusive to Canada and IPs that are exclusive to Barbados and various other countries. As much as I wish I had the ability to be in two places at once, it is simply not possible.

    While it is impossible to *physical* be in two places at once, it *IS* possible to be in two (or more) “virtual” places at once…

    Have you ever heard of Citrix? Have you ever heard of Virtual Network Computing? Have you ever heard of SOCKS? If not, Google for them…

    To be *very* explicit, I am *NOT* *saying* that you, PiedPiper, are using multiple aliases from different computers.

    However, I *AM* saying that it is *HIGHLY* likely that some are. And there is a non-zero probability that *you* actually are. (Again, not saying you *are*, but it is not impossible, and shouldn’t be claimed to be.)

    A web host is actually very constrained in their ability to tell where or who their users actually are…

  61. PiedPiper

    Listen Chris, I am not going to get into some stupid debate that has been prompted by someone claiming that I am various other posters, which I am not. You see, I am not tech savvy and not ashamed to admit it. I would have no idea as to how to go about masking or changing my IP and don’t even care to know how as I have nothing to hide. Secondly, I have in the past, used such programs as “Who Is” and “IP Lookup” in order to determine where I was receiving certain e-mails from. I am quite sure that BFP has these basic tools and sure as hell know the difference between someone posting from Canada, U.S., U.K. and Barbados. Please do not bother to reply as I am not interested.

  62. @PP: “You see, I am not tech savvy and not ashamed to admit it.

    And you might be telling the truth. On the other hand, you might not be…

    You see, in this interesting “new” world of anonymous blogging, one can never be *entirely* sure if what one is reading is true, or is rather, the message that is desired to be distributed…

    (I, personally, model it a bit like a quantum uncertainty field — you derive your interpretations after applying a statistical probability to the observations…)

    @PP: “I am quite sure that BFP has these basic tools and sure as hell know the difference between someone posting from Canada, U.S., U.K. and Barbados.

    BFP can tell which “peer” connected to them (via HTTP), but that does *not* mean they know from which peer the “human” posting the message is actually working from. (They can be different, and there can be a many-to-one relationship… (Or, for that matter, a one-to-many (read: NAT)…))

    If BFP would like to argue this point, I would be interested. Particularly considering unsolicited counsel I provided to them several months ago as to how to avoid detection by (the then) C&W…

    Or, from another angle, perhaps BFP could tell you all where the IP *I* always use is located? Hint: It’s in North America, even though I’m typing this from Barbados….

    Quoting Mulder: “Trust No One”.

  63. San Diego

    Well said, Chris Halsall. While I am not au fait with your technical ability, I KNOW what I am talking about and others on here before have remarked on it from time to time. C’est la vie.

  64. @Adrian Loveridge: “Maybe there is hope for private citizens to have death threats against them investigated?

    That *IS* an excellent question, isn’t it?

    After all, if *your* (I believe, from your demonstrated character) legitimate and real claims of intimidation were investigated, then it would be less likely that illegitimate claims would be made…

    The world is watching….

  65. Sargeant

    Ever so often some clown pops up and claims to know whether someone is posting under multiple names. Now it is San Diego…. Hello….. you forgot to claim that I am also “Green Monkey”. It is a pity that he can’t seem to contribute anything meaningful to the discussion except trying to guess bloggers’ identities. I thought that this was cleared by BFP sometime ago.

    However San Diego and Chris Halsall et al can believe whatever they like.

    What an imbecile.

  66. @Sargeant: “Ever so often some clown pops up and claims to know whether someone is posting under multiple names.

    With respect, one can never *know*.

    What part of my above wasn’t clear?

  67. San Diego

    Perhaps I did not make my point clearly enough: I don’t really care about one person using multiple names – that is for BFP to sort out. What I do object to is someone congratulating himself/herself on a comment, and chatting with himself/herself, fooling people that it is two different people. I find that deplorable and, in my opinion, bordering on schizophrenia. I could use a friend’s computer to congratulate myself if I wanted to – anyone can do that – but I would not degrade myself in that manner. And at least I did say honestly in my first comment that I agree with most of PiedPiper’s comments.

    I rest my case.

  68. PiedPiper

    San Diego: Perhaps you could offer up some proof or even an explanation as to why you believe what you believe? If you are not able to do so then you are merely pissing in the wind.

  69. Sargeant

    @San Diego

    Is it unheard of for someone on these posts to say something positive about the contribution of another? What logic did you apply to arrive at the conclusion that the individuals you mentioned were one and the same? Frankly I wasn’t going to respond to your initial post until I saw the post from Pied Piper who like me must be flummoxed at the idea of using multiple identities to get his point across.

    As I said before if you have a contribution to make, go right ahead, no one knows or cares who you are. It will bring you greater satisfaction than your current pastime of lurking in the shadows seeking an “aha moment”

  70. San Diego

    You are so pathetically transparent its laughable. As I told you before, I rest my case. At least I’m not lurking in the shadows with T.D. “Dave” Allamby. How is he these days, btw?

  71. Sargeant

    I stand by what I said previously and this is my final submission on this matter as I refuse to get into a battle of wits with an unarmed person

  72. PiedPiper

    San Diego, out of pure curiosity, I googled the name T.D.Allamby, a name which had no meaning to me and still doesn’t. However, I see that he was a one time poster to BFP and a frequent poster to the DLP political website which up until today, I have never had reason to go to. In one of his posts he stated that his real name was Tom David Allamby and that he resides in Alliston, Ontario, Canada. I live in Toronto, Ontario, Canada which is 90 kilometers from Alliston a town which I have only ever driven through. If this is your extremely tenous thread that somehow has lead you to believe that I am T.D. Allamby, then I would suggest to you Sir, that a) you have no concept of how big Ontario is and b) you are delusional. I also saw that in one of the posts on the DLP website that someone using the handle “Enquiry” suggested that Allamby was also Plover and PP. I have no idea if this person meant PiedPiper by “PP” but it is irrelevant as that person is also delusional. BTW, why would I need or want to go to a friend’s place to use their computer when I can use my own in the comfort of my home with a nice cup of tea on my desk?

  73. San Diego

    Excuse me? When did I mention the name T.D. Allamby to you, Pied Piper? You are so totally confused with your lies and trickery that you don’t even realise that it was to Sargeant that I mentioned “Dave Allamby”. This proves to me once and for all that you and Sargeant are one and the same person. Why would you go to all the trouble to check out Allamby on various websites? If I remember correctly, he got banned from BFP for his blatant vulgarity, and the DLP and BU had problems with him too. He also wrote under a different name (initials P.P.) I shake my head in amazement that you are, as I said, so pathetically transparent. You can hurl all the insults you want – they’ll roll off my back like water off a duck’s back. Have fun chatting up yourself, but I think others will now be aware of your weird habits.

    I definitely rest my case now.

  74. PiedPiper

    OK, if you insist then, if I must be Sargeant there are worse people to be. At least he is articulate and intelligent. Perhaps I am Hants also. As long as you don’t go telling people that I am Bimbro……pssssstt, I’m Bimbro too.

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  76. @San Diego: “I definitely rest my case now.

    With respect, I think it is important for me to point out my personal touchstone…

    You, SD, do not *know* that PiedPiper et al is the same human. You are inferring it, based on your interpretations of the available data.

    You could be right. You might not be. But you do not *know*.

    (It might appear that I am flip-flopping on this issue. But, if you *really* understand what I’ve written above, my immediately above is consistent and relevant.)

  77. Chris Halsall said:

    “There’s a very cool technology… It’s even in use here in Barbados.

    It’s called a “License Plate”…

    Using this advanced technology, you no longer need to “identify the driver” of a vehicle, you simply need to record said plate number…”

    The government cars were positively identified. At least one of the occupants of the cars was also identified.

    I am surprised that someone with your own personal experience would be so prematurely critical.

  78. @Keltruth Corp.: “I am surprised that someone with your own personal experience would be so prematurely critical.

    This statement *could* be interpreted as being threatening… Are you threatening me KC?

    LOL…

    Threats can be always be seen whenever and wherever one wants to see them…

    Premature? I don’t think so. Critical? Always….

    *********************

    BFP SAYS,

    Ya, Loveridge must have imagined those fires at his hotel. And Keltruth must have imagined that people said they would bash their mother’s head in “wid a big rock”.

    Ya… all imagination. Just like Loveridge imagined that the Barbados Advocate fired him and the radio station canceled his appearance on a programme because the Tourism Minister objected.

  79. @BFP: “Ya, Loveridge must have imagined those fires at his hotel.

    No, I believe Loveridge’s claims. And it is truly pathetic that his claims weren’t investigated. It sheds a *very* bad light on the BPF.

    But, to the best of my knowledge, Loveridge has not experienced any threats nor actual incidences this year. (This in and of itself might be worth considering…)

    @BFP: “And Keltruth must have imagined that people said they would bash their mother’s head in “wid a big rock”.

    Could you (or Keltruth) please document where this was said? Because I can’t find it.

    The URL link from Kelthruth’s blog about Cyberstalking links over to comment on BU by an Anonymous poster , which (quoting): “We as the public of Barbados need to investigate Jane Goddard and the rest of the Knox regime. If we see them in public we should all investigate record and report there every movement and saying. We need to stand up for ourselves and shut them up

    Now, there’s no mention of a rock here.

    The truth is that in this world of anonymous blogging, one can *never* know where the comments made came from. Or how serious they are.

    You, BPF and Keltruth, have used the phenomenon of “Anonymous Blog” to your own advantage and agenda. There is rarely upside without downside…

    And, if one believed everything one heard from the “media” (and I’m talking First World media here, not our sad and pathetic local excuse for same) no one would ever leave their homes. (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt…)

    The sad reality here is that *this very* blog (which, I might point out, has actually been edited since it’s publication) raised a frantic claim of intimidate because, and Keltruth Corp themselves have admitted so, some delivery guy made a wrong turn and got lost. (And he was “dark” (gasp!!!) Imagine that — a “dark” delivery man in Barbados!)

    My fundamental point is, we all live at risk. Every time we drive our cars, go out for dinner, or take a breath of air. Some choose to be at more risk than others (including, as should be obvious, myself…).

    But this *doesn’t* mean that everything that happens is intimidation. And when one is threatened, one (re)acts appropriately.

    As an aside, and for the record — I personally, even now, feel physically safer in Barbados than I do in London, Toronto, Vancouver or New York.

    Deep breaths everyone… Deep breaths.

    ************************

    BFP says,

    Chris, you are dead wrong about Loveridge not receiving any threats this year.

    He received many many threats in 2008. All of which and the IPs were passed onto the Royal Barbados Police Force.

    The threats were written by the same people who delivered the arson, rape and murder threats prior to the arson.

    For some of the threats, Cable and Wireless in the UK provided the identity of the culprits to the RBPF.

    No action has been taken by the police. Not one witness has been interviewed. The victims have not been interviewed and the police never came to the scene of the arsons.

    Foreign Investors: Welcome to Barbados. Keep you mouth shut, and if a member of the government threatens murder, rape and arson from a computer at Parliament (and then an arson happens) the police will protect the guilty.

  80. @All…

    Just in case I’m accused of racism in my immediate above…

    90% of the population of Barbados is Black. (Source: CIA Factbook.)

    Thus, at least 9 out of every 10 people you ever happen to encounter here in Barbados, in *any* profession or situation, are statistically likely to be “dark”….

  81. @BFP: “Chris, you are dead…

    Are you threatening my life?

    **********************

    BFP says,

    Chris… you want to be silly, just go to WordPress.com and start your own blog. I’m sure it will take you less than 10 minutes and then you can see if you can sell (or lease) your ideas on the open market instead of feeding off our efforts.

    Oh… wait a minute. You have a blog.

    Oh… it’s not there anymore. Hasn’t been there in some time.

    Are you going to put it back up or should we discontinue the link on our sidebar? Please let us know so we can look after it.

    Thanks,

    Marcus

  82. Chris,

    Did you really think that the vile threats would be left up for all to view on the blogs?

    After a call for harassment, a van with apparently no business markings traverses a half mile of unmaintained road to nowhere and asks for someone who does not live or have an office anywhere near there.

    I felt that his called for immediate action to dissuade more incidents. We will try to trace the number.

    You must understand that when you have received a number of threats from many sources, you have to be more careful.

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  84. Red Lake Lassie

    Did the professor ever get his job back at UWI after he was fired for being a witness against the chief justice?