Who Made The Policy That Separated Mothers From 3-Year-Old Children At Kensington Oval?

Dozens of mothers were in tears at Kiddies Kadooment when the police prevented mothers from accompanying their children into the Oval. The idea that parents and 3-year-old children would be separated from each other with no prior notice is absurd, dangerous and frankly, idiotic.

We would like to have a first happen in Barbados. We would like the organisers of the event to announce publicly the name of the person or persons who made this decision.

But that doesn’t fit in with our national culture, which is “it be nobody fault”

And speaking of “nobody fault”, what’s happening with all the criminal charges that were expected in the Hardwood scandal?

From the Nation News…

Parents, who had earlier accompanied their children on the road as they jammed from Pelican Craft Village along Fontabelle, were barred entry from the Oval which was being used as the parade venue for the first time.

As frustrated and panicking parents stood behind a fence they called out to their charges, some as young as three years-old who were on the inside without their guidance.

One young mother wiped her eyes continuously, as tears flooded her face, after she tried in vain to get the attention of her four year old daughter on the other side of the fence.

… read the entire article at the Nation News here

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75 responses to “Who Made The Policy That Separated Mothers From 3-Year-Old Children At Kensington Oval?

  1. J

    “Idiato” make that policy.

    Anybody who has ever looked after a 3 year old knows that many if not most of them are petrified of being separated from their mummies especially when in big public places..

    Strkes me that this policy must have been made by a bunch of old men who never spent much time with their own small children.

    Simple policy for next year. Parents of small children should be made aware well ahead of the event that they will need a ticket to enter the Oval. The price would be some reasonable amount and the tickets would be available weeks before hand. Advertise the thing and let every mummy decide for herself whether she needs to accompany Little Johnnny into the Oval, or if her Little Johnny is a “big man” and can be brave and do without her for a little while.

    Believe it or not, most mummies know what is best for their little children.

    Mummies know their children better that the police do. Many policepeople spend little time with their own children anyhow.

    Mummies know their children better that NCF officials do.

    Mummies know their children better than “security experts” do.

    Mummies know their children better than band leaders and officials do.

    Those people at the Oval on Saturday lucky that those mummies were human and not polar bears.

    Rule of thumb if you are not sure. DO NOT separate a mothers from young children.

    If the rule says that you must, then change the rule.

    Stupse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  2. Sargeant

    BFP While the policy of separating the young children from their mothers is problematic I think that you missed the big picture. Why should children as young as three years old dress up in costume and parade in a carnival band? Is this now bajan culture? It is a pity that you don’t need a license to be a parent because some of these parents would surely fail the test. Let children be children they will become adults soon enough.

    It is a truism that we reap what we sow.

  3. Bimbro

    ‘J’, hopefully, DADDIES do too!!!!

    **********************

    “it be nobody fault”

    *********************

    You know your Bim (joke country), alright, BFP!!!!

  4. liz

    If I was a mum my litle one would not have gone without me.

  5. Thewhiterabbit

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Guess who just helped repay some of the 2007 squandered money at Kensington Oval! As managers of Kensington Oval, BTII will be squeezing every possible dollar out of every possible patron at the Oval, all in a desperate attempt to justify the expenses of 2007, even if it requires doing violence to our youngest children. Oh yes, the power of mammon!

    As a matter of policy if NCF wants to begin training young children in the fine art of Bajan gyrating of genitals that seems to be a necessity for all “cultural” events, then they must acknowledge that parents must be allowed to accompany their children/charges at no cost. To not permit this level of care invites all manner of potential abuse of children, from the sheer terror of separation from parents to inadequate shelter from heat and sun to getting lost to, well, to the cases that are currently in the news that have been seven to twelve years finding their way through the courts. It would be nice if people could begin to see that these things are connected. We cannot market our “festival” on the basis of thinly disguised, if disguised at all, sex, include young children without immediate parental supervision, and then think that this sort of child abuse will not have consequences. Sargeant, above, is spot-on correct. Leave the little ones out of it. If I were a mum, mine wouldn’t have gone at all!

  6. Bimbro

    liz
    July 28, 2008 at 11:17 am
    If I was a mum my litle one would not have gone without me.

    ************************

    Well, you’re PROBABLY, STUPID, Liz! It’s nothing to be proud of!!!!

  7. Bimbro

    You may be able better to understand now, why I assert: “the CHILDREN of Barbados and elsewhere, need PROTECTING from their own PARENTS, in MANY cases”!!

  8. J

    Dear Bimbro:

    Of course young children ought not to be separated from their daddies either. But in the immediate instance it was the mummies who were complaining.

  9. 213

    Bimbro, please find some other activity, like sticking pins in voodoo dolls. Having to scroll past your comments is a nuisance.

  10. cynty

    If nothing else the parents should have been informed in advance that they would not be able to accompany their children.

  11. Goldenbead

    Bimbro, have you been drinking? Give us all a break please!

  12. Bimbro

    J
    July 28, 2008 at 2:11 pm
    Dear Bimbro:

    Of course young children ought not to be separated from their daddies either. But in the immediate instance it was the mummies who were complaining.

    ************************

    Ok, J, I hope that BOTH points are duly, taken!!

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    Re: the rest of u!! I does only speak de trufe!!!! 🙂

    Liz, needs to get sense and, for her own childrens’ sake, I’m prepared to give it to her!!!! I think that’s a rather magnanimous gesture on my part!!!!

    I’m only thinking of the poor children, who happen to be inflicted with such parents!!!!

  13. Peltdownman

    Bimbro’s gone gaga! I know it’s cropover, but put down the rum for a second, nuh!

  14. .241

    police in barbados behaving a kinda way nowadays
    man something gone to they head
    the rastaman/scholar/gentleman at cove bay who jumped !!!

    parents at kiddies kadooment

    photographers by qeh

    cricket spectators returning from kensington e t c

  15. 329.184.83.168

    Yes, separating 3 yr.olds
    (even 5 or 6 yr.olds!)
    from their parents(of either gender)
    was not a clever thing to do.

    WHERE is the Child care Board’s mouth in all this??

  16. politically incorrect

    Toddlers (3 year old children) in a public performance?

    What next Barbados?

    Child porn????

  17. Mr. Sensitivity

    perhaps Bimbo was brought up in a Kibbutz, hatched or cloned?

    In any case, he appears to know very little about the needs of young children.

  18. Maat

    Get real. We permit a policy that allows children as young as 4 or 6 weeks old to be separated from their mothers for 8 or 10 hours a day.

    As they get older they are separated from loving mummy in nursery school, primary school, secondary school, summer camp etc. I don’t hear of parents been traumatised by this everyday occurrence. Because they console themselves with the money they make by going out to work. They trade off their children for finance and then we wonder why our society is the way it is.

    The parents were traumatised because they didn’t want to pay to get in the stadium and felt that they were meant to be a part of the event. They need to grow up. It is Kiddies Kadooment.

    Peace

  19. JC

    Maat I agree with you ha ha ha lol!

  20. Mac

    Why the hell a three year old doing in a band jumping and gyrating. These are the same parents who complain about rising prices such as books. My seven year old son brought home a consent form for a band I balled it up in front of him and threw it in the garbage. I then simply explained why I did it as his parent and custodian. We are a society of double standards not even toddlers are escaping the onslaught of moral decay.

  21. I like I get ban

    BFP,
    We would like to have a first happen in Barbados. We would like the organisers of the event to announce publicly the name of the person or persons who made this decision.
    ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
    I like this idea. Somebody please correct me if I am wrong but isnt former Assistant Commissioner Louis Sealey in charge of NCF security. I saw him on television in that capacity. Was not the same Louis Sealey in charge of World Cup security when policemen were frisked and humiliated? Why is he back in charge after the World Cup debacle? Guys like him and another NCF hanger on Adisa Andwele seem to have powerful friends in both parties.

  22. J

    Dear Maat:

    But parents and children ARE traumatised by early separation so that the parents can work. Dear Maat: Have you never seen a mother cry when she needs to go off to worK? Dear Maat: Have you never seen an infant cry when its mother has to go to work?

    Dear Maat: I am certain tht most parents would be happy to stay at home with thwir children until such children grauate from university. I know that I would have been happy to do so. But Maat, if worldwide if ALL parents of children younger than 18 withdrew ffro the workforce than I expect that society as we know it would collapse.

  23. Bimbro

    liz
    July 28, 2008 at 11:17 am
    If I was a mum my litle one would not have gone without me.

    **********************

    Apologies to Liz. My dear, I’ve just re-read your post and observed now your assertion that your little one would NOT have gone without you. For some reason I had n’t noticed the NOT before and thought you must be, insane.

    Sorry, genuine error!!

  24. Bimbro

    Look, yuh see, on a rare occasion, even Bimbro can make an error!!!! 🙂

  25. Bimbro

    Sorry, everybudy!!!! Might need glasses!!!!

    Laaaaaaaaaaadddddddddddddddddddd!!!! 🙂

  26. 198.1

    My reading of the issue was that it was not so much of a policy of separating children from parents but requiring parents to pay for entry.

    Am I to assume that if your child is playing in a band you are automatically allowed to enter the event without a ticket of your own?

  27. rasta man

    On another note I would like to know what is the difference whether the Cropover events are held at the Stadium or the White Elephant Kensington Oval???
    Is it only to say that revenue is being earned at Kensington, the same revenue as if it is held at the Stadium

  28. whatapric

    If everyone were allowed in and a child was raped on the premises, yuh would hear wuh sorta security de ppl got?

    ppl bout hey duz get me sick, complain bout cost of living and one woman got 5 children wukking up @ $90 per costume…dese ppl fuh real???

    Dem should be home teaching dem children dem maths tables

  29. yygda

    “As they get older they are separated from loving mummy in nursery school, primary school, secondary school, summer camp etc. I don’t hear of parents been traumatised by this everyday occurrence.”
    _________

    Um.. probably because they are entrusting their children to teachers/caregivers who are charged with the responsibility of educating and looking after the children. Be serious.

    I could not and would not allow my 5 year old to be separated from me at a public event like that. That said, my kid will NOT be participating in an event of that nature until such time as she pays for the costume with the proceeds from her first job following high school graduation. Some parents are just too much.

  30. Bimbro

    , complain bout cost of living and one woman got 5 children wukking up @ $90 per costume…dese ppl fuh real???

    Dem should be home teaching dem children dem maths tables

    *********************

    Well said, ‘what’, it never ceases to amaze me the no. of ‘festivals’ which the Bajans seem to have!! I’m amazed that they ever get ANY work done, at all, or perhaps, almost certainly, don’t get nearly as much completed as they should, and now we all know the reason!!!!

    You’re absolutely, right, ‘What’ and when u try to show them the error of their ways u only invite reams of abuse!!!!

    Bajans?!! Lord!!!!

  31. Bimbro

    yygda said:

    I could not and would not allow my 5 year old to be separated from me at a public event like that. That said, my kid will NOT be participating in an event of that nature until such time as she pays for the costume with the proceeds from her first job following high school graduation. Some parents are just too much.

    ************************

    Well, it seems we have at least one (2 if ‘What’s a parent), intelligent parent in Bim!!!! Well said, ‘yygda’!!!!

  32. liz

    Bimbro

    You must have misunderstood what I wrote.
    Please read it again.

  33. liz

    Bimbro
    Apology accepted!

  34. J

    Dear Bimbro:

    It was Saturday morning.

    I am sure that the 3 years olds and their mummies hard worked hard as dogs all week and Saturday morning was recreation time. As a matter of fact lest we have forgotten being the mummy of a 3 year old IS HARD LABOUR.

    Have you ever heard of Re Creation Bimbro?

    Re Creation is the thing that helps you to recover from your labours and provides the energy for a fresh start come Monday morning please God.

    Lighten up!!!!!!!!!!!

    There is no need to compel 3 year olds to be part of the productive economy just yet.

  35. Bimbro

    J, u think I’m wanting 3 yr olds to go out to work, do u?!!!! It just proves that you’ve mistaken my point!! Why, only a few mins. ago I was viewing yet, more pics of Bajans prancing around Bridgetown in yet, another so-called ‘celebration’!!!!

    That’s really going to assist us to cope with the global problems currently, confronting us, and then they had Kadooment, too!!

    Bajans need to wake-up, before it’s too, late!!!! I could n’t care less how pretty duh dresses is!!!!

    And have u noticed that most times, it’s women!! So, during the week they’re making their little daughters’ pretty, little dresses and at weekends they’re showing them off in some carnival, somewhere or other!! Filling their childrens’ heads with even more nonsense!! Not to mention the stupid, coloured ribbons, beeds, baubles, bangles, pressed hair and all the other symbols of idiocy for which black women, enter!!!!

    Congratulations, Barbadians!! – NOT!!

  36. Bimbro

    It’s ‘funny’!! but, when de Bajan women are n’t busy having hordes of illegitimate, children, who they can’t afford to maintain they’re dressing-up and prancing-around the place, making fools of themselves!!!!

    WTF!!!!

  37. Bimbro

    Do you think it’s that Barbadian, women need to be loved? (by their children)?!!!!

    Is that what gives them purpose in life and why they have so many unsustainable, children? If so, then how sad!! Bajan authorities, please give our Barbadian, women more purpose in life than just having unsustainable, children!!!!

    Please!!!!

  38. J

    Dear Bimbro:

    I do not know where you get your statistics from when you say that Barbadian women are “having hordes of illigitimate children who they can’t afford to maintain.”

    THE FACTS: The birthrate in Barbados is 1.6 per woman over her reproductive lifetime, this is significantly lower than the U.K. birthrate. In fact at 1.6 Barbados’ birthrate is TOO LOW and Barbados’ population is not sustainable at this rate. The birthrate needed to sustain a human population is 2.1.

    I will challenge you with facts whenever you come on this blog to tell lies on Barbadian women.

    Barbadian women like women in all countires love to be loved. Being able to give and receive love is NORMAL human behaviour. I expect that Barbadian women wish to be loved by their children. Is there something wrong with this? Don’t parents the world over love to be loved by their children?

    You seem to believe that it is bad for parents and children to live in loving families. It is not you know.

    Dear Bimbro:

    Barbadian women women are raising their children very well without you. They do not need your assistance nor your advice.

    Dear Bimbro: BE OFF.

  39. yygda

    Bimbro:

    “Well, it seems we have at least one (2 if ‘What’s a parent), intelligent parent in Bim!!!! Well said, ‘yygda’!!!!”

    Sorry Bro, but it’s one intelligent parent in Greenz (Grenada), not Bim. 🙂

  40. J

    Dear Bimbro:

    There are 7 billion people in the world, including you. Were you parents sad people who had you because they needed to be loved? And did you disappoint them Bimbro?

    ” de Bajan women aren’t busy having hordes of illegitimate children”

    Dear Bimbro: Are you one of the “illigitimate hoardes”. Are you a bastard Bimbro?

    There are 7 billion people in the world, and very few of them are Bajans. We deserve our space in the world. It is not Bajans that drove the world population to 7 billion.

    Do you say nasty thing things about other people’s children and other people’s parents Bimbro. Or do you just get your fun from picking on Bajans?

    Go away!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Go pick on somebody else.

  41. Maat

    According to J, being a parent of a 3 year old is HARD Labour? Did you want a child?. When a person loves something or someone it is not hard labour. Believe it or not, before there were jobs and careers and employment etc, there were children and parents. My suggestion is to try not to focus your world around the Monday to Friday brainwash that is crammed down our educated throats. Most parents do not spend the majority of their most productive and energetic time with their children. We, you deserve more time to be a human being and to learn how to have a real life that is not controlled by making money.
    If we used more of our creative energy to consider ways that we could have more time with our loved ones, then that is what we will achieve.
    Instead of corporal punishment in schools for students that mis behave, I suggest that parents be made to come and sit in a room with the disruptive child for 2 hours every evening until that childs behaviour improves. For parents that consider raising a 3 year old hard labour, this should be the punishment that will work.
    Learn to love the time you have with your little ones, you will not get that opportunity again.

    Peace

  42. Thomas Gresham

    Good grief! You can love your children, while also recognising that parenting is hard work – thoughest job I know.

  43. J

    Dear Maat:

    I’ll say it again “Raising children WELL is hard work.”

    I’ve raised some well and assisted in the raising of many, many others. And yes indeedy it is possible to love children even while appreciating that is takes HARD WORK to raise a children well.

    Some of my “children” are now loving, responsible hard-working adults. Good people.

  44. J

    Which is why I have the time to blog

  45. J

    And parents of little ones deserve a little recreation with the little ones some weekends.

    And sometimes a little recreation without them.

  46. J

    Dear Bimbro:

    Have you ever heard the term “chav mum”

    Would you care to explain it to BFP family?

  47. Bimbro

    Sorry Bro, but it’s one intelligent parent in Greenz (Grenada), not Bim.

    *********************

    Hi ‘yygda’, and sorry ur not a Barbadian, bro. We could do with some intelligent parents over here!!!!

    *************************

    Bajan authorities, please give our Barbadian, women more purpose in life than just having unsustainable, children!!!!

    Please!!!!

    ************************

    J, I could n’t plead more wholeheartedly, for u than that, above to the Barbadian authorities, so u should be grateful to me!!!! It’s no crime to wish to be loved, nor does it warrant shame, but just having CHILDREN for no other reason than in order for them to love you!!!! The country can’t afford it and neither can the mothers. If I’m not very, mistaken it was n’t so long ago, that BFP itself, ran an article on this subject bemoaning the number of single mothers in Bim and obviously, by implication, the number of fatherless children, so Barbadian women need to be more responsible for their bodies and not have children in unfavourable circumstances and for the wrong reasons!!!! I may not live there, any longer, but the BFP personnel, most certainly, do!!

    So you think that Bajans can continue having children ad nauseam, for all time, J, do u!!! If so, where would u be able to stand in 100 years time?!! Barbados is a small country!! People die at a lower rate than Barbadian women are producing more children!!!!

    J, my parents were married at St Michael’s Cathedral, in St Michael. I’m not sure if it’s still there!! I did n’t check on my visit there last year!!!!

    ***********************

    There are 7 billion people in the world, and very few of them are Bajans. We deserve our space in the world. It is not Bajans that drove the world population to 7 billion.

    ********************

    J, I’m not concern with the rest of the world’s population. I’m only concerned about Barbadians not having room to stand-up in 100 years time and about Bim being able to feed and look after it’s young people as it should be able to!! Afterall, they did n’t ask to come here!!!!

    ***********************

    You seem to believe that it is bad for parents and children to live in loving families. It is not you know.

    **********************

    Dear J, I’m entirely, in favour of children and parents loving each other. I’m simply saying that, however, it’s not a satisfactory reason for a person to have children and my hope is that the Barbadian authorities and other employers will now provide Barbadian women with many other opportunities to live fulfilling lives, other than just having children, illegitimate or not!!!!

    ************************

    Maat, I agree with u, here!!

    Learn to love the time you have with your little ones, you will not get that opportunity again.

    but here?!!!!

    I suggest that parents be made to come and sit in a room with the disruptive child for 2 hours every evening until that childs behaviour improves.

    Maat, u must be joking, bro!!!! That’s what the strap was made for!!!!

    *************************

    Thomas Gresham
    August 1, 2008 at 3:31 am
    Good grief! You can love your children, while also recognising that parenting is hard work – thoughest job I know.

    **********************

    How strange!! It’s the most enjoyable and rewarding job that I, know!!!!

    ***********************

    J
    August 1, 2008 at 4:28 am
    Dear Bimbro:

    Have you ever heard the term “chav mum”

    Would you care to explain it to BFP family?

    ***********************

    No, J, I don’t know the meaning of that one, and from the look of it, don’t think I want to either!!

    However, there is one Barbadian term with which you might be able to help me!! It’s Cheshire-cat!! I’m still trying to unravel it’s meaning, as in ‘smiling like a Cheshire-cat’!! We have a county named Cheshire in the UK, but I’m not aware of the cats there being particularly, prone to smiling and I’ve only heard the expression in Bim, as a child, so perhaps, u could enlighten me!!!!

    Laaaaaaaaaaddddddddddddddddd!!!!

    ***********************

  48. Juris

    Bimbro, you should have read Alice in Wonderland!

  49. J

    Dear Bimbro:

    Please read Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carrol if you want to know the meaning of Cheshire Cat. You should be able to find the book it in your local library or bookstore.

    Dear Bimbro:

    I can assure you that in 100 years J will be dead, dead, dead. But J hopes that the grand children will be standing in my place.

    Dear Bibbro:

    It is not whether or not your parents were married at St. Michael’s Cathedral. Since you persist in calling other people children illigitimate I am asking you to post on this blog, the date of your mother’s marriage and the date of birth of her first child. Or the date of voluntary or involuntary termination of her first pregnancy if the first pregnancy did not result in a live birth.

  50. J

    Dear Bimbro:

    You have been in the “mother country” for far too long.

    In fact the rate of deaths in Barbados has long since outstripped the rate of births. Barbados’ population growth has long been stagnant.

    Dear Bimbro: We need more babies, not fewer. Maybe as a patriotic Bajan you should come home and help in the national baby making effort.

  51. Bimbro

    J, I find your sanguinity about Barbados’ population difficlut to believe and will keep my eyes open for reports to the contrary and let u know!!

    As for my own efforts, I’ve got enough of them already, boa!!!!

    Laaaaaaaaaaddddddddddddd!!!!

  52. Bimbro

    J, a simple search produced this result:

    https://barbadosfreepress.wordpress.com/2006/09/01/unwed-motherhood-as-a-career-choice-in-barbados/

    Clearly, not everybody, INCLUDING BFP, see the Barbados-situation as sanguinly, as you do!! Should I understand that BFP have got it wrong and that you’re right?!!

  53. Bimbro

    So, ‘J’, you’ve a 166 sq ml area divided by a 290k population = 1746 per sq MILE and you think you’ve a shortage of population?!!!!

    I think that many would disagree!!!!

  54. Thomas Gresham

    Singapore is about 1.5 times the size of Barbados. It has a population of 3m and a plan to grow to 5m in 20 years time. Hong Kong island is a similar story.

    Both places have parts which are insufferably urban, but also large national parks and reserves.

    Their size and critical mass have given them a place on the world stage. Bright young Singaporeans stay or return, they dont emigrate to live in the UK, US, Canada like many Bajan professionals do.

    I assume we do not want to emulate the “Manhattan” look which these islands have followed in their downtown sites, but there is a lot in between 280,000 and 3,000,000 to find a comfortable spot.

    The point is that our population size is probably a little way off from a point where careful town planning can no longer cope and we need to worry about it.

    We should be more worried about how we can bring home our talent, and while they are abroad studying or learning new skills, how we bring in other talent, in a socially sustainable way, to maintain a critical mass of expertise and experiences – one of the principal development challenges of small economies.

  55. Thomas Gresham

    Dear BFP, please release my post. Thanks.

  56. J

    2007/2008 United Nationa Human Development Index. Barbados Fact Sheet:

    http://hdrstats.undp.org/countries/data_sheets/cty_ds_BRB.html

    Dear Bimbro:

    This is your homework. Please carefully read and study the fact sheet found at the link above.

    If this link does not work. Google the words. U.N. Human Development Index and proceed from there.

    But the homework must be done before you return to this blog.

  57. Maat

    The hardest work I’ve ever done was cutting and loading sugar cane. Compared to that, raising three children who are still not teenagers, has been a piece of cake, so far.
    What, J and Thomas, do you find difficult? Where should I look for a change to hard work from the ease with which child rearing appears to be?.

    Is it really difficult to be patient, thoughtful, creative and attentive with the flesh of your flesh and the blood of your blood?

    We see it as treating the children as we would wish to be treated, sounds kind of selfish and one has to discern what may be Ok for an adult is not always Ok for a child (like 10 hours sleep rather than 6).

    For instance we let our little ones go off to the park by themselves for the first time about 2 weeks ago. When they came home they exhibited a lovely fresh confidence.

    I wonder if those that consider raising children hard work really mean that putting in place and maintaining the physical infrastructure around the child/family is hard work?

    Peace

  58. J

    Dear Maat:

    As it happens J spent the youthful days working in the sugar cane fields also, and J still regularly works in the fields but in vegetable producing. And J is almost a “senior” citizen. J knows that field work is physically hard.

    But child rearing is emotionally, and spiritually and yes financially harder. With children you are dealing with God’s gift to us of human lives. If field work is done badly nobody is permanently harmed. But if child raising is done badly? we know what happens.

    There are 1,000 people at Dodds. There is no doubt that some of those are the children of parents who felt that child raising was easy.

    That said J still believes that child raising is the hardest but most rewarding work that a human being can do.

    J wishes you and all parents well.

  59. Sharon

    Bimbro-
    I am reading your comments from the US, and I hate to say that You, my dear are out of line. I am a Yankee born to strict Bajan parents, and I am now the proud mother of a 5 year old son. If I, from the US, chose to purchase a costume for the sake of allowing my child to participate in “de culture”; and I were forced to wait outside the gate, while my child has a class-a fit, because he doesn’t know anybody in the place….there would have been HELL TO PAY. So, please spare me the comments about illegitimate children, irresponsible parents, and such. My 5 year old doesn’t “wuk-up”…I will not allow him to. His dancing to soca, reggae, and calypso involves jumping up and clapping his hands. I will NOT allow him to do as the adults do. That doesn’t mean that I criticize any parent that lets their child do so. That is up to each individual person and their relationship with their child. But please, Bimbro, remember that you are making comments on a forum that is literally broad casted all over the world, and you are giving what was meant to be nothing more than a fun-filled cultural experience for children a VERY bad reputation. Not only that, but you are painting the image of Bajan parents as ignorant and irresponsible.

    And if I can get that impression from the state of Indiana in the US, I’m sure that someone in London, Paris, Rome, New Foundland, or Sydney, Australia for that matter can easily do so as well.

    God bless, and enjoy Grand Kadooment tomorrow…I wish I were there.

  60. J

    Dear Bimbro:

    Demographics less 2. Do not return to this blog until you have done your homework.

    In the Saturday Sun, August 2, 2008 pages 37 to 44 was published a list of “persons deleted from the register of Electors for the period December 1, 2007 and June 30, 2008” This list is of 1470 Barbadians who are mostly dead or otherwise unqualified to vote in Barbados, but in fact it is mostly a list of verifiably DEAD people although I expect that there may be a few emigrants on the list.

    Since J is interested in good governance in Barbados J always checks the list as it is published to ensure that dead relatives and friends have been removed from the list of electors. And indeed in this list J finds the names of several friends and relatives whose funerals J between December last year and June this year. J can vouch in any forum that these friends and relatives are dead, dead, dead. If 1470 Barbadians died in a 7 month period that gives a death rate of 210 people per month. In spite of your mouthings to the contrary Barbadian women give birth to about 300 babies per month. So our population growth rate is 300 births per month, minus 210 deaths per month for a net population gain of 90 people per month, or 1080 people per year. These numbers of course do not include migration in nor out. But your argument was that black Barbadian women were over running the place with “unsustainable illegitimate children”. I put it to you that the hard statistics prove otherwise. I believe that Barbadian parents and Barbadian society are quite capable of supporting a population growing at the rate (minus migration) of 90 people per month.

  61. J

    I meant Dear Bimbro: Demographics lesson 2.

  62. Bimbro

    J, ur very rude, but that’s ok!! I don’t mind ‘getting licks’ every now and then!!!! 🙂

    I was following and accepting the general tone of the BFP article which I interpreted to be criticising the high birthrate of Barbadians. However, if u assure me that this is n’t the case, I will accept your suggestion, at least for now, until I’ve studied the report at your link!!

    Juris, sorry, bro. Cant’ bother to read trash whether it was written by a white man or not!!!!

    Somebody, PLEASE tell me what the vaunted ‘In the castle of my skin’ was all about, even though I’ve got the book have n’t got around to reading it yet, and, from the first few pages, really could n’t c what all the fuss was about!! Does, anybody, know????

    Thomas, thanks for that most interesting post and supply of facts. I shall study them properly, before making further comment!!

    Both u and J seem to be suggesting that BFP got their argument very, wrong which frankly, I find difficult to believe. I have confidence in the BFP crew!!

    Sharon, I have to wonder if u read my posts, immediately, subsequent to my initial post!! Anyhow, I don’t recognise the term ‘illegitimate children’ myself, but unfortunately, it IS the one which is used. I much prefer my own designation of ‘unsustainable children’!!!!

    I reiterate, that I was mainly, following BFP’s lead on this item as they actually, live in Bim, which I do not. However, I find it difficult to believe, in view of BFP’s segacity in respect of most subjects, that they could have got this so wrong.

    Will study the subject further before returning to you and thanks for all of your replies and, ‘J’, I promise to ‘do my homework’!!!!

    Laaaaaaddddddddddddddddddd!!!!

  63. Bimbro

    A comment from BFP, at this juncture, could be most informative!!!!

  64. J

    Dear Bimbro:

    Fun homework assignment.

    Read “In the Castle of my skin” You will love it.

  65. Bimbro

    J
    August 4, 2008 at 5:51 am
    Dear Bimbro:

    Fun homework assignment.

    Read “In the Castle of my skin” You will love it.

    ***************************

    Hi J, and thanks for the recommendation but, I caan do all dat reading man!! I does get tired!!!!

    Laaaaaadddddddddddddd!!!!

    What’s the point he’s making, anyway!! What’s the purpose of the book??

  66. Bimbro

    Well, J, I can’t believe that question’s too, difficult for you?!!!!

  67. J

    Dear Bimbro:

    Wukking up and recovery mode.

    More anon.

  68. Bimbro

    Ok J, thanks, luv an enjoy yuhself!!!!! 🙂

  69. Bimbro

    Hi again, J, have u now recovered from the excesses of y’day or is it continuing, today!!

    Anyhow, I’ve perused your link but still have much sympathy with BFP’s position on this. In the spirit of your own stricture, I advise u also, to read the following, and to make it even easier for u, the Minister’s comments below: then please confirm whether u still think that Bim is in need of more children!!

    September 1, 2006…10:43 am
    Unwed Motherhood As A Career Choice In Barbados – Updated
    Jump to Comments
    Updated Sept 2, 2006 – Scroll to Bottom for Update

    This is one of those “everybody thinks it, but nobody dares say it aloud” articles.

    Hamilton Lashley wants to “eradicate poverty” in Barbados through the simple expedient of giving money (called “a social safety net”) to women who choose to have many babies without bothering to get married or otherwise find a man who is willing and able to support a family.

    This makes unwed motherhood a career choice, and empowers young uneducated women to perpetuate further generations of young unwed mothers and young men who lack the steady hand of a father.

    The current trend towards making unwed motherhood a societally sponsored career choice marginalizes the role of fathers and men in general – and can do no long-term good.

    How about this for a national policy…. “You breed ‘em. You feed ‘em.”

    And what about the children, you say?

    For those children who are needy, set up a national orphanage where at least they have a chance to escape being socialized into a never-ending cycle of lower-class mores that drains away self-reliance and personal responsibility.

    There. Said it. Felt good.

    Cliverton with Shona

    From The Barbados Advocate…

    Hamilton Lashley: Unique Poverty In Barbados

    With a United Nations (UN) definition of abject poverty referring to any individual earning less than US$1 per day, Advisor to the Government on Poverty Eradication and the Millennium Goals, the Honourable Hamilton Lashley stated that Barbados enjoys a unique brand of poverty, which must be stamped out nonetheless.

    Speaking at the first of the Rotary Club of Barbados South’s evening meetings…

    According to Lashley, who was quite comprehensive in his presentation regarding the unified international plan to stamp out poverty, the state of affairs in Barbados is quite unique in the sense that several struggling individuals are living in a poverty of choice so to speak. Regaling the audience with a host of stories from his own experiences, Lashley noted that individuals living in the most dilapidated structures in Barbados, who are unable to provide themselves with one meal a day, have, for example, a large, expensive vehicle parked in the driveway.

    Focusing significantly on the misplaced values of these particular persons living in Barbados, Lashley was quick to point out that the government will always provide safety nets to individuals who truly have no power to help themselves, and through research will continue to show great care in the individuals looking to survive on tax payers money.

    Highlighting single mothers of large families along with the disabled community of Barbados, Lashley extended an arm to the Rotary Club of Barbados South to partner in the plans for poverty eradication here in Barbados.

    Updated – September 2, 2006

    As if we need more proof about the cycle of unwed mothers giving birth to unwed mothers, you must read this article from The Nation News…

    IT’S NOT EASY TO talk about what I’m going through right now, but I want to share my experience with Barbados in the hope that other mothers will realise how they influence their daughters, for good or bad…

    My situation involves my daughter and her lifestyle. Despite the fact that she has certificates from secondary school, she is not interested in working anywhere. Instead, she prefers to live off hand-outs from different men – all of whom are married.

    Right now she is friendly with three of them. She sees each on different days and has them so well regulated that they don’t turn up by the house unannounced.

    It hurts me to admit it, but it seems that’s the way she intends to get through in life – on her back.

    How my daughter got this way is what I want to talk about. She was raised by my mother because I could not properly care for her. At that time, my boyfriend, who was not her father, and I were renting a house that was not in the best condition, and we still had our two children to support. It was tough, so my mother took her off my hands.

    Exposed to lifestyle

    At my mom’s house she was exposed to the lifestyle of my two sisters in particular and my mother. Both of my sisters had a child each before they were 19. Both had hell with their children’s fathers, and both began using men to get what they wanted.

    …As for my mother, though she tried her best with us, she had it rough with our fathers, in particular my sisters’ father who used to beat her. So she had this hatred for men that was intense by the time my daughter went to live with her.

    It was in this environment that my daughter grew up and her opinion about men was shaped. She saw violence and abuse in my sisters’ relationships, and heard negatives from my mother.

    By the time she was 19 and out of school, instead of looking for a job, she had a married man going to my mother’s house to her…

    But what was worse than even her attitude was that of my mother and sisters who said she was doing the right thing. I remember how the sister three years younger than me said: “If she is going to do something, she may as well get something for it.” That is the way they brainwashed my child.

    Well, she is in her late 20s today and still living in my mother’s home which she and my sisters have renovated. She has her own room and brings in who she likes. … And my mother says nothing to the three of them because she feels that all men are good for is money.

    ….

    Again, what hurts me deeply about her behaviour is what she has put her body through. She had two abortions. When I heard about them from my mother, after she had the last one, I confronted her on it. She blasted me, telling me I am no better than her as I was never married but lived with a man all my life. Besides that I brought a ‘bunch a bastards’ into this world with hardly anything to give them, and she didn’t plan to do that too.

    Since that time, about two years ago, we have not spoken; my sisters and mother don’t say anything to me either. It’s a case of the blind leading the blind.

    …. Every time I look at her I feel that I could have tried harder with her, but I was only a girl myself considering that I had her when I was 17.

  70. Bimbro

    Still winding-down, ‘J’??

  71. J

    Dear Bimbro:

    Nobody is saying that thee are not dysfunctional families in Barbados, of course there are. There are dysfunctional families in every country of the world. BUT you cannot use a BFP article and a letter to an “Agony Aunt” as evidence that Barbadian women are over running the place with illigimitate children.

    A good number of children are conceived or born before marriage and the parents subsequently marry and “live good”. Sometimes the mother marries a man other than the father of her first child and she and her husband and the children “live good” for 50 years or more. SOmetimes a woman doesn not marry a man who has proven himself to be a bad father and not good husband material. Sometimes she does not marry at all but raises her child as well as she can with help from her extended family and the child turns out “good”

    You know that very well and so does BFP.

    Here endeth the lessons.

    Go outside and play.

  72. J

    And Bimbro:

    J does need to earn a living so cannot always be blogging.

  73. Bimbro

    You know that very well and so does BFP.

    Here endeth the lessons.

    Go outside and play.

    ********************

    J, ur very cheeky!! I’m a BFPite and as very, wise and perceptive people, I accept virtually, whatever the say, hook, line and sinker’ and surmise that, if anything, you’re the one who’s got it wrong and not they!!

    Anyhow, ‘Grumbler’, in the ‘Without Tourism Barbados is Dead In the Water’ thread agrees with BFP and I, so your view is n’t the generally, accepted one, as being correct, saying the following:

    “We are a nation of malcontent grumblers
    and the root root psychological cause is human overpopulation on this waaay overcrowded island.”

    I remember when u could walk around Bim and see ‘hardly anybody’. U certainly, can’t do that these days, and u tell me that Bim is n’t over-populated!!

    I’ll go out and play if u’ll take a dose of realism-medicine!! Fair swap, I think!!

    *********************

    And Bimbro:

    J does need to earn a living so cannot always be blogging.

    *********************

    I fully, understand that, ‘J’!! Have a nice, day in the Bajan sun, an ‘doan get burn’!!!!

    Laaaaaaaaaddddddddddddddddddd!!!!

  74. Bimbro

    J, please consult a few of your friends (don’t recommend at work) as to whether they think that Bim is over-populated and let us know their comments. I’d be most interested to hear what they had to say.

    Many thanks!!

  75. Bimbro

    J, just thought I’d provide u with some more info. from the other discussion I referred to. I don’t doubt that u needed further persuading!!

    ***************************

    Grumbler
    August 7, 2008 at 1:52 pm
    Barbados is an island of 166 sq. miles.
    That’s a fixed statistic.

    The ever-upward-moving statistic of the island’s population is not fixed.

    The Census of Yr.2000 (eight long years ago)
    came up with a figure very-nearly-280,000.

    In those 8 long years that figure has increased
    as has the Guyanese population, the illegal immigrant population
    and the fact that there are several thousand tourisses on de island at any given time.

    For ease in calculation then
    a nice round figure of say..300,000? could be used, without that being too far off the realistic mark.

    Now: 300K divided by 166 sq. miles
    derives a population density of 1807.2289 humans per sq.mile, on average.
    Let’s round that out to 1800 of us, per sq. mile.
    Let’s reduce that to 1700 per sq. mile
    just in case I have too many people on de island.

    http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762380.html
    has statistics.
    as does
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_density
    and other informative websites.
    ———————–
    By comparison,
    population densities generally among our nearby Caribbean islands(Trinidad Grenada, St.Lucia,etc.) are approximately half our Bajan density-levels.

    Draw you own conclusions
    as to whether we need MORE people on this tiny rock,
    or do we need LESS people on this tiny rock
    to lessen the stress and strain on our meagre resources
    (water, land space, room in the schools, cost-of-living as EVIDENCE,etc.)

    You go figure.