Barbados Government Hypocrisy: Condoms, AIDS, HIV and Dodds Prison

Updated: December 13, 2010

The Nation newspaper recently revealed that a Cadres Poll conducted in 2004 showed that the vast majority of Bajans are tolerant or accepting of homosexuals. No wonder the poll was withheld from the public for six years. The social-engineering elites decided that citizens aren’t intelligent enough to deal with the truth about where they and the majority of their neighbours stand on same-sex love. Why the poll is being released now is as much a question as why it was hidden for six years – but that is a side issue.

True to the “conflict sells” tabloid journalism that we appreciate so much at BFP, when The Nation published their recent story about the hidden Cadres Poll, Homosexuality debate rages in Barbados, they also sought out a fire-breathing dragon of a Pastor for some comments.

Baptist minister Reverend Vincent Wood warned of homosexuals hiding everywhere: in government, church, education and the medical professions. According to Reverend Wood, homosexuals are “weeds” hiding amongst us, who entice “normal” people into sinful relationships to further their careers.

Hey… I’m just reporting what the good Minister said, hear? (That’s him in the photo above, courtesy of The Nation.)

Now… let it be known that I understand where the Reverend is coming from. I held his position up until about 15 years ago when a couple of life-changing events caused me to look at the world through different eyes. Nothing to do directly with homosexuals – I started to see the world differently when I began to think in terms of reality rather than the theoretical. Academics deal with theory. Realists deal with reality and I decided I’d throw in with the realists.

So I’d like to pose a question for Reverend Wood. Here it is…

Sir, you are now in charge of Dodds Prison. You have to decide whether or not to allow the issuing of condoms to prisoners. You don’t want to make condoms available because you believe that homosexual relationships are morally wrong and against the word of The Lord as revealed in the Bible.

BUT > you know that whether or not you issue condoms, men in Dodds Prison will have consensual sex – and if they don’t have access to condoms, people are going to get HIV, spread it through the prison population and on the island when they are released from prison. People are going to die.

Reverend Wood: you can prevent the deaths if you issue condoms to the inmates at Dodds.

What is your decision, Reverend Wood? This is no theory. This is reality. Whatcha gonna do?

Original article first published May 28, 2008…

Barbados Government Minister Dr Esther Byer-Suckoo Says Condoms Are A Valid HIV-AIDS Prevention Strategy For Everyone – Except For Men In Prison

The hypocrisy, lies and horse manure being spread by Dr. Byer-Suckoo and the Barbados Government would be humorous – except that real people are going to die because of it.

The truth is that the Government of Barbados does not wish to distribute condoms to the men in Dodds prison because homosexual sex is against the law in Barbados. The government cannot bring itself to distribute condoms in the prison knowing that the rubbers will be used by men for homosexual sex.

Nor can the government bring itself to legalise homosexual sex so that condoms could be made available to men in prison without any legal or political arguments about facilitating criminal behaviour.

That is the truth about why the government will not be distributing condoms to the prisoners.

But the dear doctor could not speak this truth – so she invented a lie, an excuse, some horse manure justification for the government’s decision to withhold condoms from prisoners.

Doctor Byer-Suckoo said that the government will not be distributing condoms in the prison because condoms are “not 100 per cent safe anyhow, as a cursory read of the packages would reveal.”

The government’s position on homosexual male sex in prison is that there are sometimes rapes and the prison authorities should do more to keep the rapists and the victims apart.

Better a lie to the public than to have to acknowledge the truth: Men have consensual sex with each other in prison – and the government’s decision to deny condoms to prisoners is responsible for the spread of disease and deaths.

Dodds is probably the major hot spot for transmission of HIV in the country.

Byer-Suckoo and her collegues in Government know that. But they would rather tell a lie than show real leadership. True, it is a no-win situation for any Barbados government – but we thought that Byer-Suckoo was made of better stuff.

So while Minister Byer-Suckoo and the Thompson Government recommend condoms for your grandmother (yes, that’s what Byer-Suckoo said) and acknowledge that condoms are a viable strategy (though not 100% effective) for the prevention of disease and pregnancy – they can’t bring themselves to tell the truth.

And that truth is that Byer-Suckoo and the government know their decision to withhold condoms from the male prison population will result in the spread of HIV amongst the prisoners and into the general population upon their release.

The Barbados Government’s decision will kill people. It is as simple as that.

Further Reading

Nation News:

Byer-Suckoo & Government Say No To Condoms At Dodds

Government Says AIDS Prevention Better Than Cure

Byer-Suckoo: Don’t Laugh If Gran Asks For A Condom

Byer-Suckoo: Lower Age To Empower Youth

HIV Should Be Top Priority

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68 responses to “Barbados Government Hypocrisy: Condoms, AIDS, HIV and Dodds Prison

  1. strange hat

    I don’t know what to think about this issue but I agree that the doctor’s reasoning is contrived to avoid having to confront the truth.

  2. 156

    Well, all I have to say is that you need to send her back to Guyana, if she is really Guyanese in truth, because she is not addressing the pressing problem at hand in the prison..I have never heard of such folly…….she needs condemnation from the various NGO’s in our area fighting the AIDS epedemic………My spirit does not take to her, I don’t know why… I saw her one time in the Nation newspaper in picture with two big men and from the picture she seemed to be talking down to the big men…didn’t like that

  3. Let us be rational on the matter if Homosexuality is illegal and it is how then can a Gov’t break the law by by providing the tools to do so?

    If we want to distribute Condoms in prison then the laws would have to be ammended to legalise the act.

    As a matter of fact it has been clearly stated that the laws will not be changed to make Homosexuality legal, as much as NAME* wanted to make THEIR actions legally right NAME and friends break the law every day.

    I wonder what NAME has to say on the matter (BALANCE DELETED BY BFP EDITOR)

    **************************

    * BFP says,

    WIV, we remind you that we have cautioned you before…. you will not accuse or “out” anyone on this blog unless they have stated in public that they are a homosexual. This is necessary because otherwise things just deteriorate to DLP vs BLP calling each other homos.

    You know this. You have been told before.

    Do it again and the name WIV will be off the blog. Period.

    Cliverton

  4. BFP

    * BFP says,

    WIV, we remind you that we have cautioned you before…. you will not accuse or “out” anyone on this blog unless they have stated in public that they are a homosexual. This is necessary because otherwise things just deteriorate to DLP vs BLP calling each other homos.

    You know this. You have been told before.

    Do it again and the name WIV will be off the blog. Period.

    Cliverton

  5. Anonymous

    I pressed the wishing in vain’s name to see who they are, but the website for the Anchorage Daily News in Anchorage, Alaska, USA shows up. I thought WIV was in Barbados, I guess they are in Anchorage, AK

  6. Has that person ever hidden THEIR homosexual leanings, you are attempting to defend someone that is openly THIS LIFESTYLE and you know this to be the case.

    ******************************

    BFP says,

    Please show us where this person has openly declared themself as homosexual.

    Or obey our rules.

    Last warning WIV

  7. Anonymous I would strongly suggest a reading of today’s online version of the paper, there is more there with regard to the FBI investigation against our prison scam builders VECO.

  8. is giving condoms to prisoners a big issue in Barbados? would the bajan public support giving condoms to prisoners to engage in homosexual activities?

    I would say no.

  9. Hants

    WIV says

    “WE are not accepting of Homosexuality in any form or fashion and it will not be legalised to satisfy here narrow purposes.”

    who is WE?

    I hope you are not speaking for the DLP and its supporters.

    WIV you have a right to be homophobic but speak for yourself. Some of us have “Gay” relatives.

  10. Bajanboy

    I always wondered where prisoners find the privacy to have sex. I also wonder how stringently prison officials protect inmate from rape and also try to prevent prisoners from having consensual sex.

    When the prison inquiry was going on, it seems like life in Glendary was a free for all ruled, more or less, by the prisoners.

    If the real worry is HIV transmission, perhaps they should test all prisoners and take special measures to prevent HIV+ prisoners from transmitting the virus during sex.

  11. John

    Maybe conjugal visits could be allowed and the GOB could get around the homosexual issue by distributing condoms as a part of a family planning exercise!

    This reasoning is a bit convoluted and dishonest and not meant to in any way belittle a serious issue but I am surprised that a Government which is tackling many tough issues head on won’t take a definitive position on this issue.

    I am not for or against the distribution of condoms in prison. I would need to read a bit more about what other countries do and think more about the issue.

    It isn’t straightforward.

    I came across this paragraph when I googled condoms in prisons.

    “Most correctional facilities in the US have chosen not to distribute condoms due to three major concerns: 1) that condoms would be used as weapons; 2) that the condoms would be used to hide contraband; 3) and/or that the distribution of condoms would implicitly suggest that sex is permitted. ”

    I did find at first attempt that 95% of US prisons do not distribute condoms.

    The sad thing is that while the issue is being thought out, people will be contracting the dreaded disease in prison whether they like it or not. … and they will bring it with them when they are released from prison.

    Maybe this would be the case, condom or no condom and this is what the minister is saying.

    Wearing a condom is still a matter of choice.

    Maybe the GOB has taken a position, but is choosing not to state it bluntly.

    Certainly the “not 100% safe” message undermines all the ads on the outside which encourage people to protect their wicket.

    Perhaps the ABC message is the one that needs to be put out.

    … but that would take real guts.

  12. Hants

    The logic in giving condoms to prisoners in Barbados is to stop them from spreading the Disease when they are released.

    A lot of prisoners come back into society and establish relationships with women either because they are not really homosexual or because they want to hide their preference for men.

    It is known that unless you keep prisoners isolated from each other there will be sexual activity and Aids will spread among the prison population.

    Word to Bajan women. Stay away from ex convicts unless they go with you and get the Aids test.

  13. John

    Here is a summary of a study from New South Wales on the distribution of Condoms in Prison.

    http://sti.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/83/3/219

    Here is a position put in the US for the distribution of condoms in prison.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15753803/

  14. A True Believer

    Like BFP giving supoort to the batty men. I thought they was bible supporters but i was wrong.

  15. Bimbro

    It is evident that however, stringent the efforts which the authorities make to prevent men from having sex in prison they still manage to do so, therefore, for the benefit of the wider population at large, it would seem prudent to issue the convicts with the required accoutrements!

  16. Condoms wuh!

    As WIV said, let’s think about this thing rationally. Place yourself in a prison. I want to make three points. Firstly, would you want to use condoms knowing full well that (believe it or not) over 90% of the prison population are not only heterosexual but homophobic. To admit to homosexuality in some cases is to commit suicide! Homosexuals in prison are the bottom of the ladder in terms of status in prison, next to paros. Secondly, do you think men in prison are going to stop during a sexual encounter, whether consensual or by force, to put on a condom? Christ, you cant get them to do it in society furthermore! I can see it now. I want some of that bot….., wait, let me slide on this condom! Please!! Lastly, I want to see the inmate who will gladly push out his hands to take up a condom. Who will be responsible for distribution? HOw will it be managed. How many condoms per cell? Suppose the two lovers are in different cells? Do we arrange for them to have their sexual encounter with protection? In discussions with persons who have been to prison, I have heard ex-inmates say they would like to see the officer who really dared to come and put a condom in their cell! This is not something that is easy to implement! Get real, and stop using the safe sex argument. You can flood the prison with condoms. I can guarantee you that almost no prisoner will use them. Maybe an experimental procedure should be used to measure its effectiveness, probably in the form of a pilot. But just remember what happened in Jamaica when they tried to introduce condoms. Prisoners damn near burnt the jail down. Go do your research. Reality is we live in a homophobic society and there is no emperical research that shows that introducing condoms in prison will (a) reduce HIV/AIDS in the population or (b) ensure that prisoners use them for either rape or consensual sex.

    I do not agree with Byer-Suckoo’s rationale. I do agree that there should be no condoms in prison. She should use a different rationale, such as the ones mentioned above. Let’s remove the emotion and look at the practicality.

  17. Fatpork

    I am certainly happy that I am not a politician or policymaker as I wouldn’t last as long as a snowcone in hell. The most feasible decision may not always be the most favourable, especially if the decision is perceived as serving one’s personal interest – a point I believe WIV was trying to make but not in a politically correct or BFP acceptable manner.

    The issue here challenges our “publicly conservative society” built on the principles of Christian teaching wherein much of what is condemned publicly is quite often privately practiced.

    Not many politicians are willing to commit ‘political suicide’ which is essentially what happens when one trades feasibility for favourability. Some points of rebuttal to the arguments in the article are:
    1. Condoms are not 100% effective but when used properly they reduce extremely high risk behaviour to lower risk.
    2. It can be inferred that as they are not 100% effective then there is no point in using them, which is a dangerous message regardless of sexual orientation!!! (John’s point)
    3. Leading from John’s point with regards to the ABC which although not stated in a campaign as that, still applies probably better adapted to our society as it is hard to abstain and be faithful it seems for many in Barbados – The “publicly conservative society” may not be ready to accept some of the changes to their lifestyle that are necessary to effectively reduce the spread of HIV/AIDS. (The Minister wishes to keep her seat; and refuses to ‘test the water’ given the response to the previous administration’s experience with the same issue)
    4. There has been no mention of legislation which charges people with willingly infecting someone with the virus, which albeit pointless after the fact may deter some from knowingly infecting others.
    5. The human rights implications in denying the right of prisoners to a safe environment and non-discrimination (hence the absence of mandatory testing and separation of HIV infected prisoners from others for their protection) will be addressed by counselling and empowerment (very effective – sarcasm). (Isn’t there already a counselling programme in place?)
    6. Men who are raped in prison have recourse to report the rape and have the perpetrators charged, right!! (more sarcasm)
    7. Prisoners at present have no idea that HIV infection is high there and in this ignorance have sex!!! (extreme sarcasm) (1) Anyone having that itch and wanting it scratched who may have condoms available do not always use them even though they understand the importance of condom use; but these men do not even have that option (2) anyone who like me enjoys sex knows how hard it can be to go without … it drives me crazy so what about these men up there, is their sex drive incarcerated?

    So then what are the options? Go to sleep saying:

    (1) the men sleeping with men in prison has nothing to do with me
    (2) men in prison have human rights and as such if they contract AIDS in there that is their fault
    (3) men in prison do not make conscious decisions to have sex with another male, those who do have sex are all raped
    (4) Only the men in prison who have sex with men are the main ones spreading HIV in Barbados and not the man or woman sleeping next to me who is sleeping with other women or men. (Yes I do know it is harder for female to female or female to male transmission via vaginal sex)

    Are we prepared to continue watching the decisions made by developed countries without similar culture and circumstances before we make ours? It is beyond the myopic issue of decriminalising homosexuality or distributing condoms in prison and reaches to the bigger issue of valuing and protecting human life, now and in the future. HIV/AIDS can happen to anyone!!

  18. Prophylactic

    OMG, Sookhoo in a frenchy cap, LMAO! Reminds one of Top Mode’s Captain Condom clothes

  19. me

    Why is bYer suckout commenting on this issue …where is the minister of health… I think that as usual we are putting our heads in the sand.

    Fact:Some men will engage in sex with other men when they are deprived of sex with women for long periods. These men are not usually homosexual in orientation.

    FacT: these go back to their women when they leave jail

    Fact: It is near impossible to keep an eye on ecah and evry prisoner 24-7, 365 and to attempt to do so will not be cheap.

    I think we have to get realistic!

  20. degap

    “Condoms you do; Condoms you don’t”

    Beyond the legality of an unenforceable statute, this was a health issue that is now an epidemic. I don’t know if Dodds is the hot bed of the HIV epidemic in Barbados. I don’t know if the government actually test the inmates, and what the rate of infection is. It would be nice it one of our many intrepid journalists would have posed that question to the minister. The bullah brigade see the issuance of condoms as a small step toward mainstream acceptance while the closeted homosexuals and the religious freaks see any tacit government acknowledgement of the homosexual lifestyle as an assault on traditional Bajan values. In actuality, neither is correct.

  21. Sargeant

    First BU has a post and a long thread about homosexuality and now BFP has an article about condoms in prison and by inference homosexuals. Whilst all of us are concerned about the spread of AIDS last time I checked, homosexuality, although tolerated by many Bajans, who for the most part have a live and let live attitude was still against the law. Why would this government which is still finding its way with the COL and all the other issues risk losing some support among the populace by permitting prisoners to have access to condoms? I can just imagine the howls about the gov’t not bringing in ITAL and controlling the COL, fuel costs and land issues but giving prisoners condoms so they can have sex. “Yuh mean they want three squares TV and sex too? Steupse

    In any event I think that if people are only concerned about the spread of AIDS by ex convicts there is a lot of educating to do.

  22. Condoms wuh!

    I maintain that placing condoms in prison is a colossal waste of time. First of all homosexual prisoners are not going to use them for fear of retaliation, secondly, in an institution where prisoners are 99% heterosexual, a prisoner who is a homosexual is considered the worse of the worse and so on. I have already blogged this, and am curious as to why bfp is still awaiting moderation on it. The reality is that condoms in prison wont work in Barbados.

  23. Rohan

    The next time someone asks the harm of religion and the hypocritical morality that it imposes,you can point to situations like this one. A logical person, unhindered by mysticism or prejudice should easily see the function of this argument:

    PROBLEM:

    1) Unprotected sex between one HIV positive person with another person who is not HIV positive can lead to the second person contracting the virus.

    2) ALL persons who have sex in prison currently engage in unprotected sex.

    3) There are HIV positive persons in prison

    4) Given 1,2,and 3, and the death sentence that is essentially full blown Aids, this is a serious problem.

    SOLUTION:

    1) Study after study, has shown condoms (while not 100%) to be highly effective in reducing the spread of HIV/Aids between protected partners. (In the 90% range-at 0.9 per 100 person-years)

    So what would a reasonable person do? Distribute condoms and save lives.
    What would “moralistic” hypocrites do?
    Nothing!

  24. Between a rock.....

    The govt. is between a rock and a hard place:
    1. Homosexuality is illegal
    2. It is frowned upon by the public at large.
    Your header above seems to by sympathetic towards the distribution of condoms. That however, is not the answer. The solution is for vigilence by the prison guards to curb (stop) this activity.
    Please remember that guards are on duty 24/7. It is amazing that people who support this activity seem to forget that the place is run by gurards on a 24 hourly system.
    THE PROBLEM IS THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE IN HIGH POSITIONS WHO SUPPORT THIS PERVERTED ACTIVITY.

  25. Najo

    Good job Doc. We are not promoting homosexuality, we want God’s blessing upon of nation not the warth of God, No condoms in prison for men to pratice nastiness, not even the animals behave in such an un-natural way.
    NO TO HOMOSEXUALITY

  26. Tony Hall

    156,
    Get your facts straight. Esther Byer-Suckoo is a born and bred Bajan right in Ellerton, St. George. She has no Guyanese relatives. Her father is Trinidadian. Deal with the issue and stop being personal.

  27. GreenBB

    This is my thinking: If you have committed a crime and you are being punished and are foolish enough to have unprotected sex in prison then that is your problem. These prisoners should tell their Mamas to bring them some condoms when they visit them so they can have “protected” sex with their male counterparts. Then we will see who the real tough guys are.

  28. Anonymous

    OK Mr. Tony, THANK YOU, THANK YOU….I have been seeking information of this daughter of the soil for many months now on the computer regarding her ancestry, and nothing. The same here on this blog and no one would tell me anything about her either. OK, I see the last name plus her looks so I was assuming Indo Guyanese as there are so many in the country. Now Minister Stickler (name might be a little off) he has Guyanese relatives, he is really nice. I too just recently discovered that my great, grandmother was born in Barbados, so I too have a connection to you. But thanks for the info. I am indeed happy she is not Guyanese, as I would hope all Guyanese would support the BLP

  29. PiedPiper

    Najo: Sorry to have to correct you but animals do in fact practice homosexuality, including chimpanzees, who are our closet relatives. But then, I see you’re a religious fellow and, no doubt, do not believe in evolution either.

  30. Amused

    over 200 species of animals practice homosexuality

    it is simply not correct to call it unnatural, it is very much part of the natural world

  31. GreenBB

    P.S. For the record: I don’t care what you do,and who you do it with, once you have served your time;)

  32. Thomas Gresham

    I am a happily married Bajan with kids, which is only relevant because I think the solution here is for Barbados to follow most other democracies and decriminalize homosexual acts.

    I see three reasons for doing so, but your point about its illegality contributing to the spread of HIV in prison is a fourth. First, by making homosexual acts a crime, we are in danger of encouraging other crimes as people try to hide and cover up what they do or as people are blackmailed or try to avoid blackmail. Second, there is no evidence that decriminalizing homosexual acts has had any impact on the incidence of homosexuality. My understanding is that homosexuality is in part related to genetic factors and these are resolutely not switched off and on by the criminal code.

    These two reasons, along with your own concerning the lack of condoms at Dodds, suggest to me that decriminalizing homosexuality is the sensible thing to do. But I also think that to decriminalize something that people do in the privacy of their home and does not cause harm to others is the tolerant, loving thing to do. A bit of sense and a bit of love will get us far on this issue. But let me commend BFP for daring to go where angels fear to tread, in addressing an important issue that is too often the preserve of those with loud hatred and little knowledge.

  33. J

    Homosexuality is NOT illegal in Barbados. Only homosexual acts betwween men are illegal. All sex acts between consenting women/women have always been legal. All consensual acts between men/women are legal. We do not need to legalize homosexuality since most homosexual acts are currently legal. Since there are more women than men therefore likely more female homosexuals than male homosexuals. This legal female homoexuality has NOT caused Barbados to go to hell in a hand basket. Thefore decriminalized male homosexuality will not cause the wrath of God to fall upon us either, unless we believe that God loves homosexual women better than he loves homosexual men.

    We need to decriminalize homosexual acts between consenting men. All non-consensual sexual acts would remain illegal.

    In this mondern HIV world condoms are MEDICINE, no different from medicines used to prevent or treat diabetes, hypertension, asthma, cancer, measles, fibroids or infertility.

    When we finally decriminalize homosexual acts between men then condoms in prison can be dispensed (notice I did not say handed out) just as other medicines are currently dispensed in the prison. That is a man who felt that he needed condoms would discuss the matter with the team of health professionals at the prison. If the health professionals in their good medical judgement felt that the condoms were necessary to prevent the spread of disease then the condoms would be dispensed. Most prisoners may find that they do not need condoms, just as most prisoners do not need diabetes medicine. But those who felt the need of this medical device would get it. This way we could prevent the spread of a deadly disease even while protecting the dignity and health of the prison’s custodial staff, the prisoners, the medical staff, and the prisoner’s wives and girlfriends.

    Poor Dr. Byer. She is just doing as cabinet has directed her. As a physician she surely knows better. All political parties in Barbados have been afraid to decriminalize homosexuality, precisely because they insist on calling it legalizing homosexuality. The correct term DECRIMINALIZING, not legalizing.

  34. Bajanboy

    I think the only thing that is illegal is buggery. There is nothing illegal about two men kissing or performing oral sex.

  35. J

    Am I the only one on this blog who has a relative who died of AIDS contracted in Glendairy? Granted he was young and foolish and did something bad for which he got a sentence of less than 3 years but that 3 years turned out to be a eath sentence. He was buried at Westbury on July 20, 1994. He was only 22 and did not deserve to die. Almost certainly if he had not contracted AIDS in prison he would have reformed as all of his siblings and cousins are fine upstanding citizens. How many more of our young men must die like this before we do what is necessary to protect their health and ours?

  36. Zenophobia is GOOD.

    “Her father is Trinidadian.”

    That alone says enough!

    What is the difference between a Guyanese Indian and a Trinidadian Indian?

  37. Bimbro

    it would seem prudent to issue the convicts with the required accoutrements

    *********************************

    for them to conduct safe, sexual relations. Don’t know what I was thinking there!!!!

  38. fitmonday

    “Condoms wuh!” posts some ridiculous BS for sure! To answer all of his questions nearly is simple: condoms available to every inmate, without question, without persecution, and in a manner which doesn’t encourage a fear or embarrassment to receiver them.

    People knowing what the aids rates are who WANT to cover up, should be able to. “We can’t even get them to do it in society” stupse…. In that jail cell as you question your sexuality and carry out any form of homosexual intercourse you deserve the right to be protected if you desire.

    Think of how many of those men, WHO DO NOT WANT HIV, will eventually be released. Now think of how many of those men would have been clean with condoms… Now think of them coming out, sleeping with whomever they please and passing on their disease.

    It is a severe act of negligence on the part of our Government and Buyer-Suckoo should be SACKED for her ridiculous and retarded statements. “Not 100% effective”. Right on, so it’s ok to put up Billboards on Bayshore and run adds on the radio to wrap up, but when it selective suits them they arent even a hundred percent sure.

    I guess 99.9% when used according to instructions just isn’t good enough. I guess we should all stop using telephones too, since they only work 99.99% of the time! How ineffective.

    Please!

  39. rudiboyce

    considering the serious implication in the future something,has to be done now to address this issue. question. is prison a place where AIDS can flourish? lets be real here. whether we like it or even understand it homosexuality exist and when men are deprived of natural means of sex they will improvise it is human nature. these are serious times and therefore we must be responsible. remember people in prison do return to the outside world, and there is no history of their activities while there and if there was, what?????

  40. Laughing

    Again BFP you have managed to show up you true side. But we wont go there. I am glad though that several readers and writers before me have had the good sense to walk through the usual BFP induced muddle. Anyway, let us be fair, and clearly this is not a political issue, it is a moral one. If it were a political issue the previous governemnt would have distributed them long ago.
    Homosexuality in Barbados is illegal, full stop. It is not illegal because of a mishap, it is illegal because fortunately for us, our laws still retain a thread of a Biblical basis. Sodom and Gomorrah…stop.
    If the government, any government, makes homosexuality legal, IT WILL, face the wrath of not just the church, but a section of the population that we continue to hide our heads in the sand and pretend we dont know. The merchant class. Made up mostly of middle age and up white upper class Christian males. The same group that effectively runs government in the USA (federal) and most states in the USA. John in his comment showed the fact that US correctional facilities are far less condomized than we would think for a ‘liberal’ society like the USA.
    Plainly put we have to be careful. Because lifestyles have changed, and times have changed that does not mean we have to bend with every passing wind. The Barbadian socity on the whole needs to change its outlook on AIDS.

    NOT slip on a condom and maintain the fun!

    Most guys who go to prison dont go there trying to sleep with every other guy in there. Distributing condoms in prison will therefore empower the gay population to assume ‘they think it is ok now’

    HARD TALK: You will get guys slipping on a (one condom!!!!) condom and PROWL around to rape MORE male prisoners. Let us be realistic who slips on a condom DURING a rape.
    We will create a situation similar to Africa where men systematically rape infants to cure their HIV positive status.

    While the Minister’s statement are inconclusive, I still think we need to step up the education on HIV and AIDS. There are still alot of myths out there… A LOT. Men dont go and commit a crime to get to prison to do this. Prison is but a mirror of the wider ‘free sex’ attitude very prevalent in Barbadian soceity.

    My education personally came when I was in my early 20’s picking up a relative at hospital and seeing a friend of mine who I didnt know had AIDS being helped to a car. His condition totally changed my outlook. Many of us choose to ignore the reality of AIDS.

    Let us face it, all of us will talk among ourselves about the sex (gay and straight) parties and orgies that happen at spots around Barbados, with young girls and boys stripping etc. The police know about them….LOL some may even go. They closed down 21 and Up for the same thing some years ago…go figure!!

    So once again it is what we know but chose to hide and ignore that will kill us!!!!

  41. PiedPiper

    I am so inspired by the absolute stupidity of Dr. Suckoo’s statement that I am going to forward it to The World Health Organization. Just what is she a Doctor of anyways?…..anybody know?

  42. Devil in the Details

    Lets try this argument,

    for those in support of the distribution of condoms in prison:

    at the core of your argument is the acknowledgement that convicts have sexual needs and will seek to satisfy these needs even in the face of official disapproval and prohibition. Therefore the convicts will engage in homosexual activity. Since this is risky, re HIV, distribute condoms.

    But…since buggery is illegal, the prison can’t be seen to be tacitly encouraging the breaking of the law. Politically the DLP cannot change the law because this would show them to be the biggest set of hypocrits in Barbados given the criticism they encouraged of Mottley when she floated the idea some time ago. (Well actually this would just be more evidence that they are the biggest set of hypocrits given … Greenland, privativation of Crop Over, the existance of a Hospital Board, the increasing cost of living, relations with China (wait and see if those workers at Four Seasons will be sent back), consultants (what’s Hartley Henry’s salary again?), the size of cabinet, illegal Guyanese immigrants, “plant your own food”, the cost of the highway expansion (wasn’t the figure the same after the election as before the election when we were told that there was no figure?), condos on the West Coast maybe Harrison Point is on the North Coast (my bad) and oh yeah disclosure of assets by Ministers along with BFP’s favorite “ITAL” [have I missed anything? ] )

    Anyway back to our issue at hand…

    The solution (?) – allow conjugal visits in prison! This allows the convicts to satisfy their sexual needs and the law can stay unchanged.

    I know, I know …they are in prison not the Hilton etc, security concerns etc, so you know what? Forget the whole thing, leave it until 2013 when a mature, rational government is elected! Come on BFP admit maybe you got it wrong and are now seeing the light!(LOL)

  43. B A F BFP

    With all the really bid things going on in the world today that affects Barbados in real terms, to be caught up in this crap of an issue… you people need to get out more.

  44. Adrian hinds

    Bajanboy
    May 28, 2008 at 2:08 pm
    I always wondered where prisoners find the privacy to have sex. I also wonder how stringently prison officials protect inmate from rape and also try to prevent prisoners from having consensual sex.

    When the prison inquiry was going on, it seems like life in Glendary was a free for all ruled, more or less, by the prisoners.

    If the real worry is HIV transmission, perhaps they should test all prisoners and take special measures to prevent HIV+ prisoners from transmitting the virus during sex.
    ===================================
    I not that nobody ain’t tek up your concerns and attempt answers. But they remain at the core to this issue. I have never been to a prison or confine to one, but i have been in the US Army. In Boot camp you are essentially in Prison “Lock down” and your every move is dictated to you by the drill Sargent, this seems very similar to what i am told is life in prison. There is no democracy in the Army, and there isn’t any in prison. During my time in the Army i had to get an HIV test every year and every two years thereafter in the reserves. Why is it not a condition on release from prison?

  45. Hindssight

    How is it that all of a sudden an overly pragmatic Barbados would want to do away with evidential prove to assert that which they so voiciferously contend? I remember clearly what started this debate. It was Mia’s response to a contrive question. One that was handed to a reporter by Owen Arthur. It was Mia Mottley’s political calculation at the time that she could win the argument by extending the rhetoric to suggest that

    1: Prisoners are dying at a high rate as a result of it.
    2: That decriminalizing buggery was a human right issue
    3: That it was a health issue.

    She had help with the latter two from Peter Wickham and Professor Mickey Waldron, who is yet another learned fellow who has done irreparable damage to Barbados re. the Dr. Schlossberg Aids epidemic calculations affair.

    She later recanted in the face of heavy criticism, for as she said “just answering a question” by suggesting that it makes no sense legislating without consent.

    But i ask:……

    ..Where is the evidence that Barbadians prisoners are dying en mass from HIV/AID due to a lack of condoms?

    Where is the prove that condoms by themselves are a success in HIV prevention while engaged in “anal sex”

    Where is the prove that the condoms will be use once provided?

    Will the prison warders whom i am led to believe, .. cannot enforce prohibition of sexual liaisons, will be successful in forcing use of condoms should the prisoners not care to use them?

    I am amazed that sexual liaisons which are prohibited when in confinement, are widespread, cannot be prevented due to enforcement, oversight, and increase presents of prison warders, and therefore we need to remove antibuggery laws to issue condoms in prison to facilitate phohibited but safe sex ? If it s is impossible prohibit and prevent sexual laisions within a limited, highly monitored space such as an enclosed building which the Prison is, then why would i believe the Commissioner of police or Politicians who tells me that putting more police in the very open spaces of our roads, streets, villages etc will lead to prevention and reduce crime? why would i believe one and not other? Indeed what are the differences between the Community, and a prison?

    If you are going to facilitate safe sex, when all sex is prohibited in prison, let us not stop there, let us provide a smoking room for the illegal but safe use of drugs, the prison warders cannot stop illegal contraband from getting in so let it in safely.

    Hindssight is kown elsewhere as Adrian Hinds

  46. Rohan

    To BA F BFP
    What’s a bigger issue than life or death? Maybe you need to stay IN a bit more and spend some time in deep thought.

  47. Hindssight

    Devil in the Details
    May 29, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    Politically the DLP cannot change the law because this would show them to be the biggest set of hypocrits in Barbados given the criticism they encouraged of Mottley when she floated the idea some time ago.
    =================================

    I don’t think so, at the height of this controversy the then Leader of the opposition Clyde Mascoll was very very silent on this issue. The DLP had absulutely nothing to say on the issue, so much so that i faulted them for not doing so when i believe then it would have clearly put them ahead of the BLP in the polls thereafter.

  48. Between a rock.....

    I think Ms. Byer got the name “Suckoo” from here husband.

  49. Rohan

    Hindssight,
    I thought I would respond to your post point by point:

    “Where is the evidence that Barbadians prisoners are dying en mass from HIV/AID due to a lack of condoms?”

    What constitutes “en mass” my good sir? If one single person has contracted Aids, is that not enough to act, or do you need a full blown epidemic first?

    “Where is the prove that condoms by themselves are a success in HIV prevention while engaged in “anal sex”

    All available data points to protected anal sex being safer than unprotected anal sex by several orders of magnitude. This question is nothing short of silly.

    “Where is the prove that the condoms will be use once provided?”

    This is another weird question. If we had to wait for proof that condoms would be used before making them available would you even be able to buy one now?(Think about it good sir!)

    “I am amazed that sexual liaisons which are prohibited when in confinement, are widespread, cannot be prevented due to enforcement, oversight, and increase presents of prison warders, and therefore we need to remove antibuggery laws to issue condoms in prison to facilitate phohibited but safe sex ? “

    Ahh this argument. This reminds me of parents who order their teenagers not to have sex. “If you’re living under my roof, you’re absolutely prohibited to have sex!” But of course, chances are 50% of them will anyways (unless of course you can spend every waking minute with them)*
    So what do you do?
    a) trust that your children will fight the natural urges to have sex and not do it (and leave no access to condoms) or
    b) trust that your children will fight the natural urges to have sex and not do it (but you leave them access to condoms JUST IN CASE you’re wrong)

    I don’t know about you, but I would rather be mad at my children for having sex but have them alive to talk it through.

    Not the best analogy but you get the drift….I hope.

    *this is obviously more problematic in an over-crowded prison setting than your mind can appreciate.

  50. Hindssight

    Rohan

    What constitutes “en mass” my good sir? If one single person has contracted Aids, is that not enough to act, or do you need a full blown epidemic first?
    Of course it is, but let us focus on what is being proposed as the necessary action. You are for changing the law of the land and the laws of the prison, all the while leaving the prison population to make up their minds as to whether they will use a condom or not. You have burden the condom with the task of saving people from themselves yet, the same people have to, want to use the condom in the first place. My approach is to take advantage of the penal institution “lock down” structure. If the prison can tell it’s inmates when to get up, when to take a shower, how much time they will have for recreation, not to have sex etc, why can’t they bring the necessary enforcement to bare on all, and in particularly, the latter? There is no democracy in a penal institution as compared with society. Of course I do not want a full blown epidemic although it is arguable that free society is more likely to reach this stage than the prison population. Condoms are available in free society Barbados, testing, advertisements imploring all to rethink their behavior, and yet we are not seeing the intended effect, yet you would want to bring this approach of “free will” into the penal institution where enforcement has a better chance of bringing about change in behavior.
    I like to ask silly questions, here is another one for you. How does the condom by it self provide this protection during anal sex? The condom MUST be use in order for it to provide the Barrier that you think will work. Simply offering them may make you feel good about yourself, but does nothing in of it self. Again condoms are available in free civil society and are known to work fairly well during vaginal sex yet HIV infection rates in Barbados are not going down at a satisfactory rate. Any ideas why? Are condom sales in Barbados up? Could it be that people have not really changed their behavior, while increasing their use of condoms? Why is abstinence in those societies that use it in their out reach to young people, seem to works? Isn’t force prohibition of sexual liaisons in prison in effect a policy of abstinence?
    Your comparison of a child having sex even though they were told not to, misses the important core factor that my scenario is built on recognizing the structure of a prison. That unlike a home, the prison is suppose to be monitored 24×7, that a prisoner would have less personal freedom in prison than a child of sexual age would have at home.

    Giving condoms to prisoners is a feel good response, which will not have a better outcome than heightening the enforcement of existing prison rules. In addition there should not be any concern about prisoner’s human rights by making it mandatory for them to be tested for HIV on release from prison.

    I am not comparing Cuba to a prison, 😀 but it is said that incidents of HIV infection in Cuba are very very low, any ideas why this could be so?

  51. Thewhiterabbit

    Speeding on the highway is illegal in Barbados, yet government provides the roads on which to do it. Driving drunk is illegal in Barbados, yet government allows the sale and consumption of alcohol. To think that providing condoms for the prison must somehow be construed as promoting an illegal activity is not only hypocrisy, it is the highest and most rarefied form of stupidity.

  52. Hindssight

    Thewhiterabbit
    May 30, 2008 at 2:46 pm
    Speeding on the highway is illegal in Barbados, yet government provides the roads on which to do it. Driving drunk is illegal in Barbados, yet government allows the sale and consumption of alcohol. To think that providing condoms for the prison must somehow be construed as promoting an illegal activity is not only hypocrisy, it is the highest and most rarefied form of stupidity.
    ===================================

    The whiterabbit has spoken,….grammatically correct as always, of course. 😀 but substantively weak, and comparatively poor. 😀

    The substance of the issues are, anal sex, Aids, prevention, and protection, within the prison population. Let me look at your comparisons if i may.

    1:Are highways only used for racing?
    1B: Does government provide the vehicle with which a person must use to race?
    2:Is driving drunk the only outcome from having a drink or two?
    2B: Does government provide the alcohol with which a vehicle operator can use to become inebriated?
    Now compare:
    Is ‘anal sex” the only kind of sex for which a condom can be issued in prison?
    Is sex of any kind prohibited within the prison?

  53. Thewhiterabbit

    Dear Mr. Hindsight,
    You are correct, of course, that my analogies were flimsy. They were not the point of the posting. The point was, and is, presented with a conflict between a law and human behavior in the real world, which is more important? The fact is, based on many properly conducted studies, that men will have sex, regardless of sexual orientation. While sex in prison may or may not be illegal, and while sex between consenting adult men is illegal in this jurisdiction, the fact remains that sex will occur. In the absence of available females men will establish sexual relationships with other men that closely resemble the more “normal” sexual relationships between men and women. Barring a total 24/7 lockdown system in the prison, which no one can afford, and which would have absolutely disastrous results, the sex will happen. Enter the evil human immuno-virus and we are presented with an explosive situation, namely that the sex will happen, that it will be of the most dangerous sort, and that the probability of transmission of HIV will be increased tremendously. Upon release those HIV positive men will enter the normal world, where, engaging in more normal sexual activities, they will inevitably spread the HIV to a wider population.
    Does it make sense to you that the sophistry of hiding behind a law against homosexual intercourse will result in the spread of HIV? Or is it that perhaps this society in some sort of perverted way thinks that contracting HIV is just what men sent to prison deserve?

  54. LIGHT

    Oh please, condoms are not 100% for what there are made for vaginal use, so it is only logical that if there are used for something that there were not created for, Anal sex, that the safety rate is diminished even more.

    It is a fact, now how many men in prison who are having consensual sex will use a condom? we don’t know, but what we know is when those men are raping the little young boys, they sure as hell ain’t looking for a condom.

    Think about it logical, do you know how many man in Barbados who aren’t in jail use condoms, without the cry of it deadens the sensation, I don’t like them, etc. If we as a society have so much trouble trying to get free people to use condoms, tell me why would it be a solution in a prison, where the mentality of the average prisoner is sexual release, not protection.

  55. Hindssight

    I was waiting for someone else to have a go at what the whiterabbit’s grammatically accurate comments failed so miserably articulate. Thank you LIGHT for using “brevity” to brilliantly articulate that which i did, albeit long windily.:D I will later tonight, deal with WR’s unfounded assertions, and his willingness to assume that i have a hidden agenda from which i have base my objection to condoms in prison. Suffice it now, to say as only I would know, that MY objections to condoms in prison is base solely on the intended outcome.

  56. me

    Some of y’all fail to realise that most prisoners do not stay in prison. I cant say for sure that the prisoners will use the condoms if they are provided but I would rather they have access to them than not. Just as I would prefer them to access to rehabilitation services given that they will be released eventually.

    I think that monay of us do not realise that we are all in it together and that we will all be affected by how we treat our fellow man whether they be prisoners or homosexuals!

  57. Against the law or not, homosexuals prisoned or not, will continue having sex. Provide the condoms and save taxpayers money having to treat aids infected prisoners.

  58. Rohan

    notbajan, you just summed it up succintly.

    Illegal or not, sex will continue in prison. This we know. Sure it would be great to have some miraculous intervention that reduces sex in prison to 0%. Until then, in the absence of moralistic hypocrisy the solution is clear.

    For those who continue to make disingenuous arguments:

    Safety belts are not 100% effective, so let’s not use them either.

  59. The Devil

    Check Today’s Sunday Sun front page. Ms Mottley was ahead of her time but no worry, she is on target for 2013. The fraternity of progressive forces are gathering strength!

  60. The Devil

    On May 29th in this blog, I wrote (tongue-in-cheek) “The solution (?) – allow conjugal visits in prison! This allows the convicts to satisfy their sexual needs and the law can stay unchanged.”

    well lo and behold, Senator Irene Sandiford Garner made the same recommendation yesterday in the Senate! 2013 can’t come soon enough.

  61. Does it matter?

    Bajanboy
    May 29, 2008 at 3:12 am
    I think the only thing that is illegal is buggery. There is nothing illegal about two men kissing or performing oral sex.
    ****
    While there maybe nothing illegal about kissing or oral sex, one can still get h.i.v. from oral sex. (Then again, who really brushes their teeth in prison in an armpit such as Barbados?)

    First off, let me start out by saying I see both sides and both make convincing arguements. (Those of you who are not the Barbados government that is)

    On to the rest of you here. I have just taken a good hour reading all your posts. Most of you are very educated and well spoken. Why do you think everyone cannot agree? Perhaps is it religion? (I am going to go off on a tangent here, so bare with me) Those that believe that they are right just because they believe in christian values, have a wife and kids, a house and who do not find themselves in jail or on the business side of being buggered themselves? Maybe its the moral hypocrisy the government suffers from.

    Now, those of you who who believe that rapists will not put on a condom. Here’s an idea. In society rapists DO PUT ON CONDOMS. Why you ask? A little known thing world wide called DNA testing. Now, would Dna testing be done in a prison in Barbados? My guess is no. It seems to me that nobody (and I mean nobody) cares. The goverment there doesn’t. I bet the people there don’t as well. Same reason for any country. Who cares about prisoners? They all deserve whats coming to them right? (AH, NO) Does a car thief deserve to leave prison with Hiv? (AH, NO)

    Now to the solutions.

    1.) If you make sure there is only ONE person PER cell then nobody will be having sex. So no breaking the law or condoning illegal behavior.
    I hear you now saying : “That will be too expensive to make prisons like that!” If it is SO important to stop prisoners from having sex because our laws say so and we are the moral compass of the country, then it will be worth it no matter what the cost. After all, spending say 500 Million or more to stop prisoners from having sex is worth the cost.(so we dont have to make an unpopular decision about condoms and which is obviously cheapier.)

    2.) If you have only one person per cell, then there is IN THEORY no illegal sexual behavior going on that WAS causing the spread of H.I.V. or the prison rapes either.

    3.) Since everyone has their own cell, those who come into prison who already have H.I.V., then that problem is solved too as they have their own cell.

    Now, if #1 can’t be done, then you can at least give an hiv test on their way out of prison. If it is known that they are going home to wife/girlfriend, then they have 2 choices. Bring their partner in tell her IN FRONT of a prison official of their status. OR They can have a tattoo of some symbol to annouce to everyone that they have it. (Now, im not saying directly where anyone can see it walking down the street but where only someone who is going to have sex with them could see it. ie: upper inner thigh, buttocks, somewhere in the underware line etc.)

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  63. Jack Bowman

    This matter has been cleared up for eternity by a “family” on another blog:

    http://bajan.wordpress.com/2010/05/10/confronting-the-alternative-lifestyle/

    An interesting comment on that “family’s” clarification of the matter can be found on a different blog:

    http://bajanblogwatch.wordpress.com/page/6/

    Speaking exclusively for myself, as neither homosexual nor homophobe, I tend to feel a greater affinity for the latter view … on account of it not sounding like it was written by a subliterate moron with a highly attenuated experience of the world, and so forth.

  64. 217

    So I’d like to pose a question for Reverend Wood. Here it is…

    Sir, you are now in charge of Dodds Prison. You have to decide whether or not to allow the issuing of condoms to prisoners. You don’t want to make condoms available because you believe that homosexual relationships are morally wrong and against the word of The Lord as revealed in the Bible.

    BUT > you know that whether or not you issue condoms, men in Dodds Prison will have consensual sex – and if they don’t have access to condoms, people are going to get HIV, spread it through the prison population and on the island when they are released from prison. People are going to die.

    If I might ask the writer a question:

    I am in charge of the prison. You are incarcerated for some reason, and you are sharing a cell with a roommate who likes a lot of sex. I then decided to give that prisoner a few condoms. What am i saying to that prisoner who shares the cell with you?

  65. IMF, IADB and UN funding

    Reports are often undertaken by Barbados without any intentions of releasing them no matter how honorable the intentions of the funding agency.

    You see the purpose is to obtain funds to generate fees and pretend you are doing something rather than actually acting on a report.

    May Reverend Wood have the blessings of Jesus on this upcoming celebration and when it is his time to meet his maker he should be obliged to return as a 6′ 6″ transvestite.

    God forbid that he ever be thrown into a jail with someone like himself as the spiritual guide.

    “Goodness is love in action, love with its hand to the plow, love with the burden on its back, love following his footsteps who went about continually doing good.”

  66. 84

    Dontcha love it when a poll is done, results compounded,
    and then with-held because the results didn’t come out
    the way They thought it would?

    Democracy in action? Suppression of truth and information?

    Did a government suppress this result?
    If the suppression was six years ago…that would make said government a BLP government?
    What else have they with-held from us??

  67. 83

    one should pay attention to the manner in which CADRES framed their questions

  68. European

    Gays are there and they are not going away. Keeping homosexual sex illegal will backfire in the long run as HIV spreading is very costly for any government.