Africans Hacking Africans To Death – Bajans Should Think About What Fuels Such Violence, And Also About Their Thoughts On Guyanese And Homosexuals

“I never thought much about this issue, but today the common link between the killings in South Africa and the Nazi holocaust occurred to me: de-personalization was the first step.

And then I knew what has been bothering me about some articles and comments on Barbados Underground… it is the de-personalization of Guyanese and homosexual people.

I think that David and some of his readers should step back and think about it.”

Marcus

From this article originally published about a year ago…

Once Violence Is Culturally Adopted As A Tool, It Cannot Be Limited Without Changing The Culture

Who knows where and when the violence in Africa started? Black Africans say it started with the white invasion hundreds of years ago. The white invaders claimed that black on black tribal and racial mass violence predated the colonisation of Africa – since the beginning of recorded history.

Shifting to the more recent past, whites used brutal violence to suppress African nationalism and civil rights movements, while the white governments looked the other way in the daytime and embraced violence in nighttime murderous raids.

When blacks came into power and tens of thousands of whites and indians were forced to flee, and an unknown number murdered, the black governments looked the other way and used violence to drive whites from their farms and businesses. Even when violence was counter-productive, it continued. Zimbabwe, the breadbasket of the continent, became simply a basket case as mass-producing farms were broken up into peasant farmer plots incapable of supporting even one family. In the new millennium, continuing tribal genocides in Rwanda and the Congo showed that black on black racial violence is not abating.

If anything, African violence is escalating – black against whites, blacks against indians, wide-nosed blacks against blacks with thin noses, Ju-ju worshipers against Muslim, Muslim against Christians, neighbours against witches, men against “penis thieves” and on and on and on. Much of the violence seems to be deeply-rooted in cultural norms. In the west, we take disputes to court or the police. In Africa, the first response seems just as likely to be a machete attack as civil suit. Once again, deep-rooted African cultural norms still play large. (Google “cannibalism in Africa” and you might get a shock.)

Hardly a day goes by that there is not another news story about Africans hacking Africans to death somewhere for some reason.

And what of leadership? Recent history has shown us that African leaders who stand in front of the world’s media wearing suits and mouthing fine words one day are just as likely to be found promoting local violence the next day. In Congo and Rwanda, the men lamenting violence before the cameras while dressed in shirts and ties were handing out machetes in the night.

Even Nelson Mandela can be found on YouTube singing “We have pledged ourselves to kill them, the ama bhulu (whites)” *Mandela Link Here* * Farm Killings Link Here * . That says as much about the violent culture of Africa as it does about Mandela… although it is an interesting touch that Mandela was singing “kill the whites” a matter of months before he won the Nobel Peace Prize!

NOTE: There is now a question as to the date of the video. A reader says it was the year before the Nobel Prize. We are researching.

OK – we found some other references saying that the video was taken in 1992 in the months before the Nobel Peace Prize. One undocumented reference says… “This portion shows Nelson Mandela and Ronnie Kasrils at a funeral in 1992, where all the ANC/SACP members sing about killing the whites. This excerpt shows Mandela there, and it contrasts the words of the song, sung in Xhosa (the tribe from which Mandela comes), with the words he speaks in english. It also shows other members of the ANC, including women and children singing the same words.”

This week’s installment of never-ending African violence is happening in South Africa where mobs are burning and hacking immigrants to death because jobs are scarce. And it doesn’t matter if a person is a citizen who has been living in South Africa for twenty years – if you speak Zulu with a northern accent that is a good enough reason to be killed.

One has to wonder how the current leaders of South Africa will be able to curb this xenophobic violence when the “Kill the Whites” and other violent songs are still a fixture at many political meetings – according to various accounts on the web. They can’t have it both ways – they either endorse cultural violence or they don’t.

What Is The Link To Barbados?

Here at Barbados Free Press, like everyone we have our individual interests and causes. Hopefully when we criticize groups or cultures we do so with a balance that recognizes while we object to behaviours and policies within those groups, we still love our fellow travelers on this planet. For instance, we strongly criticize communists in China and Cuba for human rights abuses, but we do not condemn people of the Chinese race or Cubans. We criticize the misogynistic and violent cultural/religious aspects of Islam, but do not hate Muslims – the vast majority of whom just get up every day and try their best to make a life as we all do.

If we talk about immigration, we do so with concerns that immigration needs to be properly managed for the good of all Bajans – no matter what their background. If Barbados cannot have an open door policy, then we as a people and through our government must decide the criteria by which we allow new immigrants.

But once again, while we discuss and criticise politics, religion and cultures, we must continue to see each other as individuals, as people. Sometimes you and I might not pay enough attention to this in our discussions, and perhaps this week’s stories coming out of South Africa should remind us to be kinder and more careful when we discuss our differences.

We at BFP – both bloggers and readers – are multi-racial and multi-cultural, but we are only people. And like all people, we sometimes need a reminder from a friend about one thing or another that we do.

A Word To Our Friends At Barbados Underground Blog – About The Separate Topics Of Guyanese And Homosexuality

We have noticed two issues at Barbados Underground that raise our eyebrows. First, we see some BU commenters and even David sometimes talking about “Guyanese” in a way that causes us some concern. While this is mostly done in context of immigration discussions, it steps over the line often enough to see that some of the talk is racially biased against people of Asian/Indian background.

Perhaps we’ll take some heat on this criticism because we at BFP talk about the cultural problem that Jamaica and Africa have with violence – but we do not see that in any way as having a racial component. Once again, our concern is that some of the anti-Guyanese positions we see at Barbados Underground seem to have racial components.

The second concern we have at Barbados Underground is the tone with which David and some of his readers discuss homosexuality. One of David’s ongoing topics is his view that homosexuality is a sin and should be discouraged in our society – and, hey… it is his blog and his view.

With few exceptions there is not much that we won’t discuss on our blogs, but we each have our interests and causes and I don’t think that we have written much about homosexuality one way or the other at BFP. That is because we have other subjects on our radar, but we feel compelled to say something now because of David’s last article of many on the subject Homosexual Agenda Gaining Ground In Barbados.

As with the Guyanese, we sense a tone at Barbados Underground that de-personalizes homosexual people. Maybe this is not David’s intent, or… maybe it is. It certainly is the intent of some of the commenters to do exactly that.

It is this de-personalizing of entire groups of people that history has shown to be so destructive – because once it takes hold there is little that can be done to put the genie back in the bottle.

Shared Characteristics: African Violence and the Nazi Holocaust Against Jews, Gays, Gypsies, Handicapped and Other Minorities

Two bits of news caught our attention and started our thoughts today. The first was the South African mass killings of foreigners (News articles here, here, here and here).

The second news item was the coming dedication in Berlin of a new memorial to a group of victims of the Nazi Holocaust who never receive much attention: homosexuals. You can read an article about the Berlin memorial in the New York Times here and some background on the BBC here.

I never thought much about this issue, but today the common link between the killings in South Africa and the Nazi holocaust occurred to me: de-personalization was the first step.

And then I knew what has been bothering me about some articles and comments on Barbados Underground… it is the de-personalization of Guyanese and homosexual people.

I think that David and some of his readers should step back and think about it.

Marcus

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  1. me

    wow…you outdid yourslef here… great analysis!

  2. akabozik

    You and the others constantly surprise me Marcus. When I think I have you figured out and then you write something so different from your usual fare. I don’t like homosexuals (I’d use a different word but you’d ban me) but you touched a nerve. I will think about what you say.

  3. David

    Akabozik, I’m very disturbed by your comment; “I don’t like homosexuals.” That touches a real nerve (as you might say) about an attitude that is far too prevalent across the Caribbean. But I’m equally impressed by the fact that you are prepared to think about your prejudices. All credit to the author in raising this issue and hopefully making others think. Consenting adults acting on biological and genetic impulses (born gay) and harming nobody should not be discriminated against. By the way I am straight not gay but I believe that there should be freedom of choice. De-personalization is a brilliant way of viewing this debate.

  4. reality check

    good thought provoking article BFP

    democracy and tolerance are relatively new and fragile concepts ( skin deep in some cases).

    It takes men of leadership of all colors, religions and political stripes to operate in a tolerant and balanced basis.

    With world economies being battered by many different factors such as famine, starvation, catastrophes, droughts, expensive fuel etc the challenges will be enormous.

  5. Sundowner

    Another news item from Africa this week was 20 old people burnt to death in Kenya, supposedly for being witches.

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    BFP says,

    Hi Sundowner,

    We saw that. Last week it was “penis thefts” that produced killings. Before that it was a ritual murder of a young Nigerian boy to bring more success to a business. (Human sacrifice: quite the marketing plan.)

    I don’t know what the answer is, but I’m sure that more of the same is no solution.

  6. QC

    Africa is not a country you idiots. It is 2008, shall we stop generalizing a continent when we speak about the woes of “Africa”?

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    BFP says,

    Really? Africa is not a country? Well, that kills it for Dr. Tafari and the pan-African unionists then!

    But the violence we speak of is a pan-african phenomenon and the existing borders were imposed by colonial powers with no thought as to the then existing political boundaries.

    Have fun with your semantics. We shall address issues.

  7. me

    The facts are that even in Jamaica people are killed for being ‘suspected’ homosexuals … is that what we want for Barbados the proverbial witch hunt…

  8. Prince

    Blah blah blah blah blah blah!!! This blog is so ignorant and a disgrace to the country…This blog criticizes everyone but Europeans who have displayed a more extreme form of all the ills you find in other groups! You biased yellow journalism is not fooling any intelligent people!

    Look at the Global peace index released this year

    http://www.visionofhumanity.org/gpi/results/rankings/2008/

    Countries like the UK, Lithuania, Greece, the USA, Albania etc etc rank behind countries that should be more violent by your ignorant criteria!

    Also, some of the countries ranked low are not there by their own doing!!!

  9. Maat

    It would be interesting if BFP was to do such an in depth analysis of European/American barbarism.
    The photo of a young African waving around a hammer reminds me of the gangs of skinheaded soccer fans from East London that were supporters of a team called West Ham. The team nickname was the ‘hammers’ and some of their supporters carried hammers which they would use in the many fights that would precede and conclude matches. Then there was a group of supporters at a club named Millwall. Their nickname was the ‘surgeons’. Guess what they used as weapons! This is the milder form of European tribalism. There is no cultural reason (other than it is their culture) for this behaviour.
    Immigrants in many parts of Europe are attacked, wounded and killed because some people see them as taking their jobs, or taking over their neighbourhoods. I know of many Pakistanis in the UK who have had their business and homes attacked by racists.
    The poor white man and the poor black man have more in common than they realise. The rich maintain their control and wealth by squeezing the average working person with inadequate wages and consistent advertising. The result is divide and rule.
    Don’t let Babylon fool you

    Peace

  10. crossroads

    BFP, I’m not sure we are too far behind this attitude of violence. Only this week we read in the press about the violent attack of a young gentleman on the pasture outside of a primary school with dozens of children as witnesses. The persons who are responsible were said to be armed with knifes and cutlasses. Was it a hate crime or drugs related? Will we ever know? The realty is that until our law enforcers and our justice system come together to address these problems seriously, we will continue heading down a terrible path.

  11. Justice

    There is violence in Botswana, Ghana, Namibia? There is no Pan- Africa except in a romantic pipe-dream.

  12. Edward

    What is going on in south Africa has been going on in Russia for a while!!
    Why don’t you write a whole article about that!!

  13. George

    Russia is even worse than South Africa

  14. George

    with regard to being anti immigrant

  15. South

    Justice says “There is violence in Botswana, Ghana, Namibia?”

    =========

    Oh yeah…

    Ritual Murder on the rise in Botswana…

    http://www.osisa.org/node/7164

    President of Liberia indulges in human sacrifice and cannibalism…

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa5391/is_200003/ai_n21452663

    Ghana… penis theft sorcerer murders

    http://www.livenews.com.au/Articles/2008/04/24/Congo_police_arrest_penis_snatching_sorcerors

    Namibia… “one big butchery with violence occurring everywhere”

    http://allafrica.com/stories/200708080211.html

  16. George

    These things can be pulled up for all countries…

    Stop promoting ignorance!!!

  17. George

    Name a country and, I will show evidence of ignorant people!

  18. Adrian Hinds

    What is the link to Barbados? BFP this article is not a link it is a big stretch. It is an attempt at prophecy, the genesis of which is likely to be base on the high readership BU is getting and you are not. I just don’t feel to blog as much on BFP anymore. I have not attempted to figure out why. Do miss me? 😀

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    BFP says,

    Hi Adrian,

    As to readership stats, we are about to welcome our visitor #3 million in June and on an annualized basis we are now running over 2 million visitors a year. I’m sure David at BU does very well too.

    To our knowledge, we are still the #1 online news source for Barbados, and handily beat the Nation News and the Advocate readership combined! You’ll have to ask David where BU stands, but again, I’m sure he does very well. We often link to his stories as he does to ours.

    As to our content, sometimes we talk about things that are solely Bajan matters and sometimes we go far far afield. Judging by our readership levels and their comments, most folks like a change once in a while from a straight diet of flying fish.

    This particular story that hasn’t caught your imagination is appreciated by many others who see the connection to Barbados, but we are all different and what a boring world it would be if we all liked only strawberry ice cream.

    You’re always welcome here Adrian, and everyone appreciates your comments. We see at BU that you still love to mix it up with two of the more argumentative folks who are banned here due to their language and choice of topics. If they continue to behave themselves at BU, there will be some lively discussions over there – but when they come here they just can’t help pushing the limits of our tolerance. C’est la vie, yes?

  19. Rumplestilskin

    Justice says -There is no Pan- Africa except in a romantic pipe-dream.

    Oops Justice, you are right, but being so blatant will certainly upset some ‘pipe-dream’ folks who want to project this ‘ideal’.

    My suggestion is that anyone who pushes the ‘Pan-African’ agenda wholesale in future be immediately put onto a committee to understand the ways and customs fully i.e. they will be sent as cultural ambassadors to Africa for two or three years to live and experience fully, so that may then paint an accurate picture of their recommendation.

  20. Bimbro

    David
    May 23, 2008 at 8:33 pm
    Akabozik, I’m very disturbed by your comment; “I don’t like homosexuals.”

    ***********************

    David, it’s the excessively, tolerant attitude of yours and others which will enable homosexuality and other ills, to become all-pervasive! You should n’t be afriad of setting decent, standards of behaviour and having the courage to stick to them!

  21. Bimbro

    the existing borders were imposed by colonial powers with no thought as to the then existing political boundaries.

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    BFP, don’t blame the white man for africa’s bloodlust! I’m certain they were murdering each other in tribal wars, long before the white man ever thought to venture onto that god-forsaken continent! It’s just a natural, condition of being humankind, the only difference between us and them is that we’re civilised, or, at least, some of us are! 🙂

  22. Centipede

    Any excuse that can be found to smother one’s inadequacy is legitimate fodder.

  23. Red Lake Lassie

    Don’t mind Adrian BFP. He likes to argue but this article is thought-provoking and Adrian doesn’t like to think!

    ;_)

    (I couldn’t help myself) 🙂

  24. Bimbro

    Centipede
    May 24, 2008 at 11:57 am
    Any excuse that can be found to smother one’s inadequacy is legitimate fodder.

    *****************************

    ????????????***?????

    Or is it only, me?!!!!

  25. Anon

    Why should david step back?

    The fact of the matter is that they are to many Guyanese in Barbados and the largest componet is indian, we all know that Guyanese Indians do not like black people. I have many black Guyanese friends.

    You are highlighting black on black violence, why don’t highlight indian on indian violence in India?

    ******************

    BFP says,

    So to clarify… you believe that all Guyanese Indians do not like all black people.

    Well… no prejudice there on your part, is there?

  26. Green Monkey

    Here’s our thought for the day, courtesy of UK investigative journalist George Monbiot:

    A surplus of available energy is a remarkable historical and biological anomaly. A supply of oil that exceeds demand has permitted us to do what all species strive to do – expand the ecological space we occupy – but without encountering direct competition for the limiting resource.

    The surplus has led us to believe in the possibility of universal peace and universal comfort, for a global population of 6 billion, or 9 or 10. If kindness and comfort are, as I suspect, the results of an energy surplus, then, as the supply contracts, we could be expected to start fighting once again like cats in a sack. In the presence of entropy, virtue might be impossible. (emphasis added)

    If it is true that the Age of Growth is over, and the Age of Entropy has begun, and if we are to retain any hope of a reasonable quality of life without destroying other people’s, then our infrastructure, our settlements, our industries and our lives require total reconstruction.

    Given that our governments balk even at raising fuel taxes, it is rational to seek to pursue our own solutions: to redevelop economic systems which do not depend on fossil fuels.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2004/aug/24/renewableenergy.oil

  27. Straight talk

    Thanks for the link, GM.

    It reinforces my belief that we cannot rely on our leaders to prepare us.

    The consequences for their cosy lifestyle would be too grim for them to ever speak the appalling truth.

    “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
    –Upton Sinclair

  28. Adrian Hinds

    Red Lake Lassie
    May 24, 2008 at 11:59 am
    Don’t mind Adrian BFP. He likes to argue but this article is thought-provoking and Adrian doesn’t like to think!

    ;_)

    (I couldn’t help myself)
    ==================================
    ha ha ha ha Red lake, wid a name like “LASSIE” and the comment “I couldn’t help myself” , yuh know how i like to link tings. What am i to think??? 😀 Bow wow put down my dog chow. 😀
    Just kidding. 😀

    The article has no relevance to Barbados. South Africans are very familiar with violence, for different reasons but same approach to attempt resolution. Since 1937 there has not been any systematic violent uprising in Barbados, and since that period Bajans have been subjected to several incidents that would have been hot buttons to violence in South Africa.

  29. Sargeant

    BFP “When blacks came into power and tens of thousands of whites were murdered, the black governments looked the other way and used violence to drive whites from their farms and businesses”

    Where in the world did you discover “tens of thousands of whites were murdered “? By whom? Certainly not by Africans

    ***********************

    BFP says,

    Perhaps Marcus should have put “and indians” in there. Or perhaps it was only thousands of people murdered? I’ll get him to check it. In the meantime I have changed the article to reflect what I immediately found online. Thanks!

    Robert

  30. nonsense

    Excellent, thought-provoking article. Nicely done.

  31. George

    Bimbro? Your comments are really annoying and uncouth!

    What makes you “civilized”? You use all the code words of white supremacist etc etc! Your post insinuate that Africans are not civilized but, you don’t apply the same standards to your European gods! Who committed the genocide the Indians of North America? Was it Africans? Who forcefully occupied North and South America?? Who occupies Australia?? Who committed the genocide of the Native Americans of the Caribbean?

    Until you can prove that others have committed such despicable acts keeps your lips together and, stop your biased analysis!

  32. Bimbro

    Interesting analysis, George. Well, I know where I’d rather live, and it’s NOT africa! Puts the whole thing in perspective, I think!

  33. Red Lake Lassie

    Excellent article BFP. You did make me think about the (bad) power of words. I’m not settled on the “nature vs nurture” about gays. I’ll have to think some more about what I think. If you follow! 🙂

  34. Average White Bajan

    When are you going to start a topoic that focuses on the devaluation and lack of confidence in the US Dollar, and give Simmons, Africa, China a break?

  35. Mr Smith

    What is the underlying issues for the violence? Man has been killing each other since the beginning of time so this is nothing new. Poor people have nothing to live for right? Poor education, housing, high unemployment, no health care, exploitation at the hands of the wealthy. These are all thing to be tolerant of. All that’s left, is for imperialists and colonialists to divide the poor and step back and point the finger. Every major counry wants to “rape” the African continent and not put anything back. They care only for it’s resources after creating the greatest holocaust known to man. Most decry the plight of Africa but in the end when technology and modernization has come to screeching halt Africa and a few others will be left standing tall. The media need to stop focusing on Africa and it’s sensationalism. Some of the fastest growing economies are on the African continent why don’t you talk about that instead of it’s violence.

  36. George

    Think about this! Every country that calls its self “developed” had to exploit people to get to that level!!

  37. George

    Good post Mr. Smith!!!

  38. cheesecutter

    BFP, your comment about Nelson Mandela is very misleading.
    That video was taken some 12 years ago(at a funeral in 1992),not recently as you try to portray.
    With ref. to the peace prize(1993),guess with whom he shared it with,none other than F.W.De Clerke{white S.african leader at that time}.
    I doubt very much he has that same ideology /conviction today as he did after those years of being imprisoned for God knows how long and for what.
    See how easy it is to manipulate things to suit one ‘s point of view.
    I am quite surprised that no one even noticed this error/lie/deception on your part up till now.
    Can fool some ,but can’t fool all.
    Just stating FACTS ,by the way.

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    BFP says,

    Hi Cheesecutter,

    Point taken – if the video was made then, he may have changed since. We’ll check on the date of the video again. I know Marcus found a reference that it was later than you say. That is the great thing about blogs… we can research, discuss and correct that which needs more attention.

    thanks for participating in the process

  39. BFP

    Hi Cheesecutter,

    I think you are correct about the date, so I changed it. Marcus isn’t here now, but he’ll probably have a look at it when he gets home from work in the morning.

    And cheesecutter – we all make errors, but we never try to lie or deceive. That is the nature of the blog that readers find and point out errors or disputes. We, of course, are well aware of that and welcome it.

    If we were the Nation News – well, the error would just continue to stand, wouldn’t it? 😉

    Clive

  40. cheesecutter

    Thanks and please remove “bana’. How he get in here?

  41. Group51

    BFP – great post. If Bajans believe in religious freedom, then they shouldn’t impose bible views of homosexuality onto people anymore than forcing Muslims in Barbados to convert. The Caribbean laws on homosexuality are hold-overs from the Victorian period. Bajans can say they want to hold on to their Christian values and culture, so do all shops and businesses shut on Sunday, is gambling prohibited, are adulterers put to death, is abortion illegal?

  42. J

    BFP you have no reason to be smug. At least one human sacrifice has taken place in Barbados in my lifetime. And there may well have been others. And I am a long, long way from being a senior citizen. Don’t be too harsh on the Africans. Civilization is not something that we inherit form our parents. Civiliztion is something that we all have to work hard at achieving. It is a daily task. We will never be done.

  43. J

    And oh yes. Most of the homosexals that I have met in my lifetime (including close relatives) have been fine lovable people. If we all stop minding other people’s bedroom business, and at the same time stop talking about our own bedroom business in public places the world would be a better place.
    Stupseee!!!! Why would anybody want to know about another person’s sexuality? There are certain questions only your doctor or lover should ask.
    Stupseee!!!! Bajans too malicious.

  44. J

    Dear BFP:

    Can you please find something bad to say on this blog about about De Clerk? or Botha? or Hitler? or Mussolini? or Franco? or Ian Smith? or Bull Connor?

    Dear BFP: Do you want me to give you some other names?

    You know very well that wickedness and stupidity and selfishness aren’t black things or a white things or yellow things or brown things or purple things. You know very well that wickedness, and selfishness and stupidity are HUMAN failings.

  45. Gabriel the Horn Blower

    “At least one human sacrifice has taken place in Barbados in my lifetime.”

    Really!!?? This is public knowledge? When, Where, Who, Why?

  46. J

    Bimbro: What do you mean when yo say that if we are tolerant homosexuality will become all pervasive. Do you mean that in a tolerant population 100% of the people will become homosexual?
    You really really think that that can happen?
    Decent behaviour does not mean imposing your standards on others. Good behaviour means sticking to your own good values and bahaciours even in the face of great provocation. It means being master of YOURSELF.

  47. J

    Gabriel in the 1950’s . A man in St. Lucy killed a 4 year old boy to use his heart as a human sacrifice to the devil in the hope that this would get the man a visa to live in Canada. Instead it got him executed (hanged).
    That is why I have to come on this blog. You people are so young. You seem to think that the world began yesterday. It did not.

  48. J

    None of us can ever become civilized. All of us can only keep working at the process of civilization every day. We were all born into wicked (sinful) world. We will all die leaving behind a wicked
    (sinful) world. We must all engage in the struggle everyday.
    No need to be smug, no need at all.

  49. Gabriel the Horn Blower

    What about the human sacrifice? “J” tells the whole world that this has happened in Barbados but does not (cannot?) provide details/references.

    Talk about being smug!

  50. cheesecutter

    What J is saying is true.There was a ‘sacrifice’ done years ago in St.lucy. It was even mentioned about 2 or so years ago in the Nation newspaper in one of those lifestyle/looking back articles.

  51. Bimbro

    J, most of us would be more than happy to ‘mind our business’, as you say, if the homos did n’t insist on FORCING their nastyness upon us! For example, I’m soon to visit our sister-in-arms site (BU) to be confronted with two MEN getting up to all sorts and much as I’ve asked them to remove the pic, they have n’t, so if anybody’s being malicious I think it’s the homosexuals for forcing their filth upon us!

  52. cheesecutter

    Although this has nothing to do with human sacrifice, just thought i would show an article dealing with witchcraft. The person was only 11 when he started.
    Teen witch caught up in spells

    Date June 26, 2005
    Brief

    by MELISSA WICKHAM

    AT AGE 11, he cast his first spell. Now at 18 years old, Jason (not his real name) professes to be a practising witch.

    It is the latest craze among teenagers not only in the United States and Europe but also right here in Barbados. Jason is just one of a growing number of youngsters who has rejected Christianity and is embracing witchcraft as a way of life.

    They cast spells to pass exams, predict the future by communicating with the spirit world and even place curses on others. If you think your son or daughter could never

    be one of them, think again.

    Most of the teenagers in Jason’s circle of friends have parents who are devout Christians and who have no idea of what they’re up to.

    Jason, a student of the Barbados Community College gave the SUNDAY SUN a glimpse into his world of spells, rituals and divination.

    It started when he was eight years old. He recalled seeing the spirit of his paternal grandmother who had been dead for a number of years. And, at age 17, he predicted the death of his other grandmother. Soon after, she died.

    From there, he got curious about the supernatural, researched it on the Internet, read books and chatted with other practitioners around the world. Now, he’s well versed in the teachings of witchcraft.

    His gifts or abilities, he says, are in the realm of dreams, premonitions and empathy –

    the ability to take on how others around him are feeling.

    Jason’s parents are Christian-minded and aren’t pleased in the least about his chosen path. However, he said they didn’t interfere even though they objected.

    He grew up in a Methodist family but when he attended church he said he felt nothing. It was only when he tapped into the supernatural that he felt “connected”.

    “To me there is less judgement in witchcraft and more acceptance and freedom than in Christianity. I see it as a tyrant religion. I feel more of a connection to witchcraft than Christianity. I would sit in church and just be there because I was sent there,”

    he said.

    While he believes in God and Jesus, it is not in the same way Christians believe.

    “I believe there is a spirit for everything in this world. I also believe that smaller spirits or angels are responsible for different things.

    “I don’t believe in the devil as in giving him that much power, or acknowledging him. A great misconception is that witches worship the devil; in fact,

    that was why many of them were killed in the past,” said Jason, adding:

    “Witchcraft is nature-based. It is a form of spirituality. It is about the love of nature, being solely confident and using your own will to get things or make things happen. It is working with energy. The whole world is energy – trees are energy, flowers and human beings are energy.”

    But this “energy” which he classifies as white magic also has a dark side. A side he crossed over to in the past, though he stays clear of it now.

    “When I was 11, I was just getting into it. I gathered my cousins and instructed them to stand in a circle. I didn’t know anything really but I had seen it in a movie called The Craft and I repeated something I heard from it.

    “There was this boy our age who lived next door and I didn’t like him much, so I got a needle and made them prick their fingers, smeared the blood on a piece of paper and, in my mind, I visualised him being punished in some way.

    “In the evening, he was out on his bike, he fell off, landed on some ‘galvanise’ and cut himself up badly. I stopped because I didn’t really want to harm or kill anyone,” he recounted.

    There was also another time when he placed a hex on a bully at his secondary school using what those in the world of witchcraft would call “the evil eye”, where a witch just looks upon someone and curses them in that moment.

    However, he only does this if he’s really angry with someone to the point where he wants to physically beat that person. Instead of carrying out the action, he uses the same energy to put a curse on the individual.

    “Persons I’ve tried hexing have either ended up being sick or harmed.

    “The guy who was harassing me at school, my best friend and I placed a hex on him just by looking at him (the evil eye). He became ill for about a week,” he disclosed.

    There were no set rules as to how long a hex would last, he said.

    One, however, must be careful. According to Jason, there is a law or rule in witchcraft which states that if you harm anyone without justification, then you can expect it to come back to you three-fold.

    But besides bringing harm, he said he could also use his craft to heal people of sickness and disease. He can use dolls like those used in voodoo to heal different parts of the body.

    “Persons who practise witchcraft aren’t necessarily evil or dark. It has to do with intent. A person can be either good or bad. Some Christians can be good or bad too. They can pray to God to strike down someone for some reason, for example,” he said.

    The young witch uses a number of aids in his craft. They can range from tarot cards for practising divination or candles for use in candle magic, (using candles in rituals and spells).

    A red candle, for instance, is used for bringing about passion or romance while white is for purity, black symbolises evil, loss or discord while a greenish-yellow candle can invoke sickness, cowardice, anger or jealously.

    Though he owns one, he shies away from ouija boards and pointed out that he didn’t sacrifice animals nor do seances in any of his rituals.

    “I believe the dead should be left alone,” he said.

    Though Jason works alone, there are more like him throughout the island, he says. They sit in classrooms in secondary and tertiary institutions.

    “There are a good few young people I’ve met both here in Barbados and abroad who are into witchcraft.

    “Those from overseas, I communicate with them online. The ones here, I’ve met at college. I’ve heard of others at the University of the West Indies,” he said.

    And, witchcraft can be used to help them succeed in examinations.

    “There are spells to pass exams but when you cast them you still have to make an effort. It is just not a case of hocus-pocus,” he pointed out.

    Some youngsters like Jason are bold, they have no problem talking about their craft, while others prefer to practise in secret.

    And, there is a rule – a witch never points out another witch. They usually know each other from wearing symbols like the pentacle – a five-point star with circle. It represents earth, water, fire, spirit and air and is a popular symbol of witchcraft.

    Not everyone is accepting of what he does. He found this out on the first day at college.

    “I introduced myself as a practising witch. The classroom got silent and all the students pulled their chairs away from me. But, as they got to know me and not just what I practise, it doesn’t matter,” he said, boasting that some of his friends are Christians.

    Jason intends to keep on developing his craft. He believes there is no one right path or religion; and only God can judge him in the end.

    However, Pastor Wesley Dear of Covenant Life Teaching Centre, Green Hill, St Michael, said Jason and teenagers like him were playing with fire.

    The Bible clearly spoke out against witchcraft and its consequences, he said.

    “There is no doubt that people can get results from these types of practices but to their own detriment,” the pastor said, adding: “Anyone who seeks out the occult for answers, brings a curse upon their lives, their household and their seed for generations.”

    He quoted scripture to back up his stance, particuarly Deuteronomy 18:10-12 which states:

    “Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells or who is a medium or spiritist who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord . . .”

    Father Clement Paul, Vicar-General of the Roman Catholic Church, said anyone who associated with dark or supernatural powers could bring harm to themselves.

    “They are interfering in a world that we don’t know much about and therefore a lot of damage can be done to one’s mental balance in the long run,” he said.

    Father Paul said the Church had failed if young people saw Christianity as a tyrannical religion and were turning to witchcraft for answers.

    “I think Christianity needs to get out there and listen to people. We need to get into the schools, colleges and any other place where it (witchcraft) exists, hear the problems of young people and find out what leads them into witchcraft.”

  53. cheesecutter

    When it comes to facts,don’t mess with the Cheesecutter.rrrrrrr…rrr. Its late ,let me get a red Ju-C now.

  54. me

    Bimbro …the photo posted on the BU site was done by the BU admins ( unless they are homosexual ) I dont see your point.

  55. Bimbro

    me, no I don’t think the BU, people are homosexuals, I’m referring to the people who posed for, took the photo in the first place and then released it for public viewing, as forcing their filth upon us! Hope that clarifies it for you!

  56. 156

    TODAY IN GUYANA it is independence day and with I am sending out Love-N-Unity, Peace-N-Harmony to all my brothers and sisters in Barbados and to our delightful and lovely Barbados neighbours. Remember friends, we are you. So Happy Independence Day to all Guyanese in Barbadosland. God Bless you all!

  57. Gabriel the Horn Blower

    OK J, cheesecutter
    I am sucking the salt, however, I hope you are not suggesting that there are significant numbers of Barbadians who believe, practise or tacitly approve of such barbarity today.

  58. cheesecutter

    Of course not.I am not even in this conversation. I was just saying J’s particular statement was true.
    However i must say that in the past(i dont know if it still widespread now) many bajans believed in a lot sorcery stuff{baacoo man,heart man ,obeah ,steel donkey,”dont do this at this time or something will to you”, etc.}.

  59. Anonymous

    Please do not make such false statements of Guyanese East Indians do not like Guyanese Africans. The above statement is a generalisation and as such is totally false, and thus makes you look like an unenlightened person. Violence against humanity is deplorable and totally unacceptable in a civilised society. You need to sanction people that come here and sprew hate, which can/will lead to violence against innocent and productive people.

  60. J

    Dear Cheesecutter: Thanks for finding the human sacrifice reference
    Dear Gabriel the Hornblower: I was not being smug. It was late on Sunday night and I was nodding off as I was tired. I am old you know Gabriel, not old as in senior citizen, but old as inbeing old enough to distinctly remember the incident and subsequent trial. Also old as in tired after a hard weeks work and a weekend’s work/recreation. I am not smug, not smug at all. Blessings to you both.

  61. J

    As I said there is no need to be smug nor to give various African peoples grief.

    I am no anthropologist but I believe that significant numbers of Bajans hold beliefs (even if they do not practice) that (how shall I say this DELICATELY?) “hold beliefs that “PRE-DATE” Judism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Rastafari and other modern religions.

  62. J

    Dear Gabriel the Hornblower:

    Bajans are not significantly better than other people. We are not significantly worse either. Out of a population of 270,000 we have a permanent prison population of over 900. I believe that we can hold our own with the rest of the world when it comes to barbarity. And we can hold our own when it comes to niceness too. We are not devils nor angels, just ordinary people. Get used to it.

  63. Gabriel the Horn Blower

    J,
    Having been nothing other than a Barbadian, I am quite used to what we are – an overall decent set of human beings. That said, I understand the point you made viv-a-vis the stereotyping of Africans.

  64. J

    Dear Bimbro:

    I looked at the picture on BU because you sent me there. It is not bad. It looks kind of artsy to me. Nothing in the picture to make me believe that the men are homosexual. Looks like a couple of college guys acting as models for an art student so that they can get some beer money.

    I have no reason that the guys intended to offend. If I posed nude for any of our leading (or not so leading) artists would that mean that I am a promiscous person, or just an artists model doing a day’s work for a day’s pay?

  65. J

    And Bimbro I ate my lunch while looking at the guys on BU and was not at all put off my food.

  66. Bimbro

    J, u must be a very ‘innocent’ person! I don’t think they were promoting christianity!

    Congratulations, J, all I can say is that your stomach must be a great deal more tolerant, than mine!

  67. Ady Hotep

    BFP is doing us a favour by highlighting problems in the continent.I don’t care much for what other racial groups do to each other but when blacks are harming blacks it distresses me.I believe in the old saying its better to hear the rebuke of the wise (that’s you BFP) than the song of fools.Well done BFP for highlighting problems in Africa.

  68. degap

    “The coloured intelligentsia and the African Negro”

    Africa the “dark” continent was played out over a hundred years ago! And amateurish attempts to revive this discredited negrophobia should be offensive to decent people of every hue.

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  70. Rumplestilskin

    ”How China’s taking over Africa, and why the West should be VERY worried”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1036105/How-Chinas-taking-Africa-West-VERY-worried.html

    From the Daily Mail Online, UK newscompany.

    If you wish to read something to rock your mind, google Mail Online and search for this article.

    The article also refers to this being what was disgustingly proposed by one ”Sir Francis Galton, the cousin of Charles Darwin”.

    Fair warning, after reading the article, you will be unsettled.

    Peace.

  71. Rumplestilskin

    Per my post just above. Look who one big ‘sell-out’ is, none other than…….Mugabe.

    The same one who criticises the UK et al.

    How rotten.

  72. Thistle

    Yes, I read that too, Rumplestilskin. It seems the Daily Mail is full of woe today. I was particularly disturbed and saddened by the last paragraph in the article, as follows: “The people of this bewitching, beautiful continent, where humankind first emerged from the Great Rift Valley, desperately need progress. The Chinese are not here for that. They are here for plunder. After centuries of pain and war, Africa deserves better.”

  73. Straight talk

    One cannot but admire the Chinese tenacity and single-mindedness in ensuring their meteoric rise to be the next superpower is not derailed by raw material shortages or, unfortunately, respect for human rights.

    They target the the most corrupt of regimes, offer them no strings attached free lunches which are greedily consumed.

    Africa will eventually realise there is no such thing as a free lunch, but it will be too late.

    The people ground down by years of corruption and suppression will have no will, or organisation, to prevent their return to colonial status.

  74. 199

    Is there a purpose to the re-appearance of this story, BFP?? If so, please make it clear to all of us, ’cause I caan c it!!

  75. kiki

    Machetes and Knives are part of the African tribal culture and are sold as souvenirs to tourists.

    I believe that if Africans could unite and stop tribal war then it could develop within one generation by setting up an education system and sharing its resources for all its children.

  76. bp

    It would be interesting to see the outcome of a clash between West Han & Arsenal

  77. bp

    Barbados, that should be easy.

  78. kiki

    .. and don’t forget Chelsea and the Yiddish Army (Tottenham Hotspur).

    But seriously, the reason the west colonised and subjugated the people of the third world was because they had guns, and were not in any way more sophisticated. The hot weather made them cranky and more brutal to the Indigenous peoples around the world.

    The most dangerous terrorists in the world are youths.

  79. Lady Anon

    Basic geography…Africa is a continent.

    Definition of a continent….a large contiguous landmass that is at least partially surrounded by water, together with any islands on its continental shelf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent

    I know some readers may think that this is a matter of semantics, but let’s not get like the Nation newspaper and pass inaccuracies off for the sake of the content.

  80. Hants

    Fairchild street bus stand 8 pm friday night.

    Guyanese indians depersonalising themselves.

    BFP if the guyanese were spending time among Bajans in Bajan rumshops and Karoke bars don’t you think there would be less anti guyanese sentiment?

    The homosexuality issue is more complex. We who live in Canada have become tolerant of homosexuals because they have blended into all aspects of Canada.
    We have openly gay Government ministers and MPs who have been as competent as their gay collegues.

    It will take a lot more time for Bajans to accept homosexuality as normal behaviour.
    Bajans are predominately christians and have been taught that homosexuality is a sin.

    Birds of a feather flock together. This is what happens in Barbados.
    White Cattlewash
    Black Bath and River Bay
    Indian Fairchild street

    Prehaps the gay community has their own meeting place.

    What we have to continue to embrace is tolerance.

  81. Hants

    Moderating yuh homey BFP?

    ********************

    Hi Hants,

    The autofilter delayed it and we have approved it. The discussion of cultural assimilation or enclaves is a worthy topic for those who do not include threats or pro-violence statements (which of course you never have).

    And that is the difference between BFP and BU. We don’t allow such statements, but David chooses to run his blog to allow even statements that a murdered tourist from Canada is “white trash”. That is the difference.

  82. Sargeant

    So BFP has resorted to a tabloid headline in an effort to drum up what? You have gone out on a very thin limb to link centuries long internecine tribal warfare in Africa to possible violence by Bajans because of their “thoughts” about homosexuals and Guyanese. What violence against homosexuals? Homosexuals have always been on the Bajan landscape. Every village had a “she she” or some closeted person who everyone knew was gay or a “b…er as they were called. I don’t recalled any incidences of violence sure there was some ridicule but by and large they were left alone. Some even operated profitable establishments which were patronized by the general public or went about their lives minding their business. One of the most powerful politicians in the island was said to be a homosexual and there are persistent rumours about the sexuality of some current leading politicians. Why didn’t I see some evidence about this “violence” when the last government floated a trial balloon about the possible decriminalization of homosexuality and prostitution?

    As to countries in Africa many of the disturbances are rooted in eons of tribal distrust
    and / or religious differences e.g. Rwanda, Burundi, Darfur, Northern Nigeria but the historians can elaborate on that. BFP is writing that the heated rhetoric by some persons who want the gov’t to remove illegal immigrants will drive Bajans to violence against “Guyanese”. Me thinks that that BFP is trying to be disingenuous when it writes about Guyanese, They are trying to say something else but they put the label “Guyanese”. How would Bajans target Guyanese? Will it be random or organized? When I walk down the street I can’t tell the difference between Guyanese/Vincentian/Jamaican etc. unless the person speaks or happen to be from another racial group, and even then I will be guessing…. So BFP should call a spade a spade and say what’s really on their minds

  83. Cliverton Not Signed In

    Actually, we thought a re-print of this very popular article from a year ago would be appropriate given the discussion about race-based exclusion from Barbados that is currently in progress at Barbados Underground.

    Given that the BU blog managers are content to leave up comments denigrating Indians, Chinese, Whites and Reds, we think it fits in perfectly as it points out that this racist venom has been ongoing at Barbados Underground for some time.

    Thanks for participating in the discussion.

    Clive

  84. um

    Africa is a continent. It may suit you to paint all black people on a massive continent as violent savages, but generalizing a continent and speaking about “violence in Africa” is simplistic.

  85. Bad Man Saying Nuttin

    that is BFP’s MO. Generalize and use simplistic comparisons to demonise that which they do not approve of.

    There are extremists in the debate on illegal immigrants but to use them to denigrate the valid argument that illegal immigration should not be tolerated is intellectually dishonest. But this is a feature of many of the ‘social commentators in Barbados. They pursue their agenda with little regard for truth, fairness, common sense and the public will.

  86. Juris

    Can’t you think for yourself, man? BU does it so you do it too? Sheeesh…!

  87. J

    Sargeant wrote “What violence against homosexuals? Homosexuals have always been on the Bajan landscape. Every village had a “she she” or some closeted person who everyone knew was gay or a “b…er as they were called. I don’t recalled any incidences of violence sure there was some ridicule but by and large they were left alone. ”

    True, true, true.

  88. J

    BFP: You moderate me for writing:

    True, true, true.

    Tell me please where is the violence or threat of vilence in that?

    ***************

    BFP says,

    DAMN… I wish you would Read the ever-loving tab about moderation and then you’d know the blooming difference between moderation and censorship, auto-moderation by computer program and deliberate moderation by a live person.

    DAMN I need a drink to deal with the thick likes of you J.

  89. J

    Dear BFP:

    The traffic on and the interest on your site is so slow that you have to write a headline reading “Africans Hacking Africans to Death” to try to generate interest?

    Poor you. So alienated from your own society.

    Why don’t you catch a ZR home with me this evening and see how the real Barbados lives.

    And no we don’t hack each other to death.

    Why don’t you write a story about that.

  90. J

    Go ‘long you alkie.

    I abstain from all strong drinks.

    I am always stone cold sober.

  91. John

    I seem to remember an instance of a man being stoned by a crowd in a St. Philip village not so long ago …..

    …. I mean like in the last 10 -30 years.

    I think he died but I could be wrong as I don’t remember any coroner’s inquest into his death.

    I think the crowd took offence because he was HIV positive or had AIDS, ……. but again, I could be wrong.

    It was probably in the late 1980’s or early 1990’s, but my memory is just not clear on the event.

  92. J

    No he did not die.

    And his beating was in response to his burning of a neighbour’s house.

    The fact that he was HIV positive was secondary.

    And he was rescued by other neighbours.

    No inquest because the beating did not cause his death.

    He’s probably subsequently and naturally died of AIDS.

  93. neal kelley

    I am a black american.. and i have seen my share of hatred and racisim.. and i tell you.. God will damn all those that practice it.. i do not care who they are .. and what political or religious justification they use for it… evil is evil… white people used religion to justify slavery… and used politics to keep my people powerless for centuries.. surely God will punish all those that practice this…

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