Daniel May Holiday Murder In Barbados – Family In Pain As Killer Is Sentenced – Barbados News Media Cover-up

2005 Robbery Turned Into Murder Of British Tourist

A July 2005 holiday in Barbados turned into a tragedy as a British couple watched their only child shot to death by armed thugs who had broken into the family’s villa. Daniel May was 19 years old when he went to help his father who was being beaten. He was shot twice in the chest and died.

The two thugs had stalked the family and waited for them to return to rob them, but the family fought back.

Andrew Leroy Lovell was sentenced to 25 years in jail for manslaughter. The British newspapers say that the Barbados court found the shooting was “accidental” – and Daniel’s parents are outraged.

I am not a lawyer, but any damned fool knows that when you arm yourself with a handgun, and then wait for a family to come home to rob them, and then shoot a young man twice in the chest… it is no bloody accident.

Mr. and Mrs. May are understandably upset at the horror of the loss of their only child, and they have said some rather uncomplimentary things to the British newspapers about Barbados, and our courts.

The accomplice, a piece of trash named Marlon St. Clair Mayers, is currently awaiting sentencing – which Mr. and Mrs. May say should be hanging by the neck until he is dead – along with Lovell.

The British papers say that Daniel May was the first British tourist to be murdered on Barbados – within memory anyway.

Barbados News Media Cover-Up

Our friend John rightly points out that the Barbados media has ignored this case. No mention of Daniel May’s name is to be found in the archives of the Nation Newspaper. Just another case of the lapdog Barbados news media exhibiting an agenda that has nothing to do with being a professional news organisation. Suppression of important news stories is normal and a frequent occurrence in Barbados.

Further Reading

Romford Recorder: Daniel’s Killer Should Face Death Penalty

The Sun: 25 Years For Killing Brit Abroad

July 29, 2005 Times Online: Teenager Killed In Barbados Robbery

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68 responses to “Daniel May Holiday Murder In Barbados – Family In Pain As Killer Is Sentenced – Barbados News Media Cover-up

  1. J

    It is a real tragedy that Daniel was killed, and that the May’s lost their only child. But Barbados has not hanged anyone in more than 30 years and I doubt that we will start doing so now, and I don’t think that we should. If Daniel had died in the U.K. or in Canada or in Australia in exactly the same circumstances the sentence would likely be the very the same, about 25 years in counting time spent on remand. Many liberal democracies, including Barbados and the U.K no longer carry out capital punishment.

  2. Bajanboy

    The courts in Barbados are a big farce. Three years for a verdict!!! We are nothing more than a banana republic as the victim’s parents state. The judicial system in Barbados is a joke.

  3. J

    Dear Bajan Boy.

    No we are not a banana republic. This was a trial by jury, and the jury found manslaughter, and the 25 year sentence is at the high end for manslaughter, whether in Barbados or the U.K. or Australia or other commonwealth jurisdictions. Bajan juries are generally sensible and honest. Understandbly the parents are extremely distressed, but what is your excuse?

  4. John

    This may have been the first murder of a British tourist but I recall that there was a British woman who was shot through the heart in a robbery at a restaurant which went wrong.

    I can’t remember the details but I do remember her life was saved, I believe at the QEH on the operating table, and by Barbadians.

    I remember she returned on a visit too.

    Punishment must fit the crime and I fully understand the feeling of an eye for an eye but I do not think that the Barbadian judiciary or legal system is up to being trusted with a human life.

    So we must watch in anguish as due process unfolds and fume at the apparent unfairness of it all.

    Hanging is finished in Barbados.

    I watch the mess made of our country by people who should know better and can only think of the many acts I have witnessed as treasonable, punishable by death.

    But I know no one is going to hang.

    I rant and rave when I get the chance and will always insist on them being brought to justice to face due process, even if they are not hanged, a punishment which I believe they thoroughly deserve.

  5. Prince

    Sad story but, this is our country thus, we should determine the laws!

  6. Bitter

    Hanging is not the issue here, it the fact that a jury found for manslaughter when they men took a weapon in to rob the family! God knows what else they might have done if the family had not fought back.
    Just a point… is the person sentenced today the one that was thought to have done the shooting? or can we hope for a murder verdict for the other one.

  7. Rumplestilskin

    I am with you on this BFP. Certainly, as posters above note, what with the international conventions on sentencing, hanging is finished here, unless we are willing to stand out with ‘rogue’ states.

    However, while the Court and jury undoubtedly would have used ‘standard’ evidence and sentencing guidelines, even following those of British criminal law, I personally cannot reconcile this with the fact of a group entering someone’s home with a weapon and not being convicted of murder, following a subsequent death.

    When one enters with a weapon, you are effectively stating that you are willing to threaten, main, disable or kill to obtain your wish.

    Thus, the ‘mens rea’ i.e. the intent is there, followed by the subsequent murder, the ‘actus reus’.

    Are these two not the requirement for the verdict of murder?

    How can one argue against the ‘mens rea’ when a robber enters with a weapon?

    Apologies for being candid here, but if the victim had been hit by a chair leg and killed, that MAY have indicated manslaughter, depending on the circumstances of the moment.

    But, being shot by a gun brought by the robbers, speaks for itself.

    Now, having said that, Barbados’s legal system is no different than internaitonal, in apparent unfortunate matters of guilt and sentencing.

    How about the elderly gentleman who a couple of years ago, in England, was charged and convicted, I believe for murder, following his action against two would-be robbers entering his home?

    Was this man not entitled to defense of his property with a weapon, especially being an old man defending against two vibrant youngsters?

    As I noted this case was in England, so one has to look at the whole international approach to judicial guidelines and sentencing, not just at one case, in comparing a nation’s legal system.

    Sincere condolences to the family, for rather than being an indictment against the legal system I see this as an indictment against Barbados society.

    We here have been far too lenient against unruly behaviour for years.

    While the robbers may have been ‘extreme’ and a ‘bad lot’ in of themselves, there are much other cases of daily abuse of respect and privilege.

    How about those two girls from University who were assaulted on a ZR last year, by women no less?

    How about the selling of drugs in schools, which form stories that children tell, is rampant?

    How about the fetes with ‘usually’ foreign singers spouting vicious and filthy lyrics?

    How about alleged bribery and corruption?

    How do we expect good results in a society when we do not hold the society to a higher standard?

    Peace.

  8. Bajanboy

    I’ve got no problem with the sentence, but it is ridiculous for it to take three years to get to this stage.

  9. John

    I have no recollection of ever hearing of this event and a searc of the Nation News archives which go back to May 2005 has turned up nothing.

    Is this another case of the Oldstream press keeping quiet?

    Why do we have to get this news from the foreign press.

    Was our press asleep?

  10. 2 Cents

    I have noticed a disgusting trend recently where planned assaults on people which end in death are being pleaded down to manslaughter not due to the skills of defense attorneys but rather at the hands of DPP Charles Leacock and I must conclude incompetent police work. The most recent being the Queens College girl who participated in the stalking and slaughter of the taxi driver. The boys who mutilated the snow cone vendor.etc. etc. etc

    In most cases sentences were less than 15 years.

    What about these folks. Don’t these matter????

  11. PiedPiper

    I suspect that Mr. Lovell was given a plea bargain in order to testify against Mr. Mayers. It happens all the time…..can only hope that it was Mayers who actually fired the gun and he will get a full first degree murder conviction and sentence.

  12. J

    To 2 cents: It was not a Queen’s College Girl who was convicted in the killing of the taximan. It was a Lodge school girl.

    Rumplestilskin: The university student who claimed to have been assaulted was a snooty middle class Jamaican girl who feels that she is too great to rough it on public transportation, and who threatened to complain to her auntie an eminent Jamaican lawyer. We don’t care about her nor about her auntie the eminent Jamaican lawyer. The young WOMAN (not girl) feels that she was too delicate to rough it on the bus and wanted our tax money to provide a private bus service to save her and her kind from having to mix with us tax paying ruffians who travel daily on route 3 ZR’s. That is nonsense. I have travelled on public transportation all over the Caribbean in the U.S. in Canada in the U.K, in Europe in Central and South America. When travelling on public transportation you have to be prepared for crowds, you have to be prepared to move ‘roun’ when asked and you have to do it all with good humour and good grace. I catch those Route 3 ZR’s myself every single and except for the loud music on too many and the speeding of a few they are in truth not any worse than public transportation at rush hour in many, many other places. Most of the people who complain have never taken a ZR in their life. Most have not travelled extensively either. Don’t you find it surprising that the UWI students were asking for a private bus service to protect them from we the ruffians of route 3 ZR’s and in the meantime the 5 year olds who go to West Terrace , St. Stephen’s and other primary schools have to rough it on the same ZR’s? Tell the UWI students to grow up, and to get real. To quit whining. My mother who raised many wonderful sons and daughters used to say that the time always comes when a mother has to take the “BUBBIE OUT OF THE CHILD’S MOUTH”. The time has come when UWI must stop breast feeding the young adults who come here to study.

    And tobesides the alledged assailant is a Black Bess girl and guess where the UWI principal is from?

  13. Nevermind pretzels

    How can the people at the Nation stand to look in the mirror each morning? This is a major story and John is right: there is nothing in the newspapers archives about this murder. Not then and not now.

    And they say we don’t need the blogs.

  14. Pat

    In my humble opinion, the robbers entered the premises to rob, not to murder, therefore the intent was robbery. However, death while committing a crime (manslaughter) does carry a life sentence, which is 25 years.

    A weapon, in this case, can be seen as a tool of intimidation and to instill fear. The fact that the young lad was killed does not merit a charge/conviction of murder. I am sure the instructions from the Judge to the jury would have been along the above.

    It is amazing that in England serial killers and psychopaths do not get hanged, but those parents want the two Bajans to swing. Just trawl some of the English newspapers and see the horrific crimes committed there.

  15. Bitter

    If you go on to a property with a gun with the intention to rob someone, it is reasonable to assume that if you are going to use that gun someone is likely to die. You may not have the specific intention of going there to kill, but it is an easily predictable consequence. I believe that in the UK such cases are considered murder.

    And on a side note, many people in the UK would like the death penalty returned, it is unfair to characterise the parents who have just lost a child as hypocrites, or some how prejudiced against bajans, because they disagree with the law of their land.

  16. Rumplestilskin

    Pat,

    Yes, I do agree that your approach appears to be the current accepted approach.

    However, in my opinion and I agree that I differ from the ‘norm’ on this, is that as long as one carries a weapon, one is and must be willing to use it if drawn….tough choice, especially if one carries the weapon for ‘protection’.

    Similarly, if one enters a premises to rob, one must accept that in some circumstances astruggle may result and thus, maiming, disabling or death will result.

    It goes with the ‘territory’, which is why I guess armed robbery has such serious sentences.

    Thus, in accepting that death may result, to me creates intent as part and parcel of the act and thus the mens rea is evident.

    Every circumstance differs and the intent here must be assessed within the context of the crime.

    We agree to disagree.

    Peace.

  17. Rumplestilskin

    ”Similarly, if one enters a premises to rob, one must accept that in some circumstances astruggle may result and thus, maiming, disabling or death will result.”

    To clarify, when one drives a car for example, yes death may result. But the circumstantial and minset in driving a car differs in two ways.

    Firstly, the circumstance is not itself designed with conflict in mind, secondly, the probability or liklihood of death as a result is completely different and established not as a result of recklessness but intentional behaviour, within the context.

    Peace.

  18. Rumplestilskin

    Ahhh. Apologies, early morning ”Firstly, the circumstance in driving a car is not itself designed with conflict in mind as in the case of a crime, secondly, the probability or liklihood of death as a result of carrying a weapon in a crime is completely different and established not as a result of recklessness (as for example the use of a car may be) but intentional behaviour, within the context of the crime.”

  19. Bitter

    Here is a proposed definition of murder that i think should be adopted everywhere.

    In 1985, The Law Commission Report on Codification of the Criminal Law proposed the following definition of murder:

    A person who kills another:

    (a) intending to kill; or
    (b) intending to cause serious injury and being aware that he may kill; [or
    (c) intending to cause fear of death or serious injury and being aware that he may kill]

  20. Technician

    Pat…once again you have hit it on the head. For those who are wearing their hearts on their sleeve , you should all speak to a lawyer. Taking a gun to a robbery does not determine intent to murder. Sad as it seems , this is the law which we abide by. The loss is great to the family but if this crime was commited in their country, the punishment would be about the same.

  21. Jukecheckedeyskirt

    Rather you enter to kill, steal or destroy, or whether or not your intentions was not to kill, my point is you trespass and their are no excuses good enough to say otherwise. A life was taken because of that trespass and as far as I am concern it was not an accident but an intent. Go and tell the bereaved family that their son is six feet under because the killing was not part of the plan and the gun was only to keep law and order until the robbery was finished. The killing was only by chance because the family did not stick to the plan.

  22. John

    I have always felt that if one legally owns a gun that one’s intention is to use it when necessary to kill.

    So long as it is drawn, by definition as far as I am concerned, the intention is to kill.

    Any gun owner needs to be trained to deal with killing an adversary because after all, that is the purpose of a gun.

    Target practice, counselling and paying the licence is all a part of the package of ownership.

    I am not a policeman but marksmanship I am sure is a part of a policeman’s training. No doubt he/she is also trained how to deal with killing a human and counselling is also available.

    It maybe that the gun is drawn to instill fear, it may even be discharged as was alleged to have been the case at Highgate when Mr. Goodridge drew a gun to prevent harm coming to himself or his son, but my feeling is that the purpose of a gun is to kill.

    There is no point to owning a gun unless the owner is prepared to use it to kill.

    Just wonder what would have happened if Mr. Goodridge had shot and killed the two human beings who allegedly threatened harm to him and his son.

    I recall saying during that discussion that if the Police had arrived on the scene first, there would have been two dead bodies.

  23. John

    Seems the death penalty for armed robbery in Georgia is possible!!

    http://www.georgiadefenders.com/theft.robbery.htm

    I’ll see what I can find about armed robbery in other countries.

  24. John

    Here is another article on sentencing in armed robberies in which death occurs. Sorry, but it is also from Georgia.

    http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/deathpenalty/daythree/dpdaythree1.html

  25. John

    Here is a Missouri article.

    Apologies for all the posts.

    State won’t seek death penalty in armed robbery, murder case
    Saturday, February 2, 2008
    By Bridget DiCosmo ~ Southeast Missourian
    At a hearing Friday, Alexander County State’s Attorney Jeffery Farris filed a petition of notice not to seek the death penalty in the case of a suspect charged with aggravated assault with a firearm, armed robbery and first-degree murder.

    Michael Fencil, 25, of Mounds, Ill., is accused of robbing the Brown Bag Video II store in McClure, Ill., last summer.

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    During the robbery, Charles A. Caldwell, a customer at the store, was shot and killed and a clerk was injured.

    Police suspected Fencil, a former employee at Brown Bag, because the phone lines in the store had been cut, and the person who committed the crime was someone familiar with when the cash would be in the register, said Diane Weber, store manager.

    He allegedly fled the scene, but police put an alert out for him, including a description of his car right down to the bumper stickers he had on the back of the vehicle. They knew he had relatives in Ottawa, Ill., and suspected he would head in that direction.

    Officers from the Ottawa Police Department spotted Fencil the day after the July 31 robbery and initiated a traffic stop, during which they apprehended him.

    Shane Aden, Fencil’s attorney, filed a request for a psychiatric evaluation to determine whether Fencil is mentally competent to stand trial.

    Because the psychiatric evaluation was taking some time to complete, Fencil had waived his right to a speedy trial because it was in his best interest to wait for the report to be finished, Aden said in a previous interview.

    The next hearing is scheduled for 8:30 a.m. Feb. 15 in the Alexander County Courthouse in Cairo, Ill.

  26. John

    I found a country other than the US finally. Saudi Arabia is described as a US friend in the article so will have to keep looking.

    Four Sri Lankan workers beheaded in Saudi Arabia
    Monday, February 26 2007 @ 01:58 PM PST
    Contributed by: Oread Daily
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    Four migrant workers were beheaded in Saudia Arabia last week. The four Sri Lankans, all immigrant workers in that country, Victor Corea, Ranjith Silva, Sanath Pushpakumara and Sangeeth Kumara were alleged by Saudi authorities to have committed an armed robbery in March 2004, but no legal assistance was provided to them and no case had been proved against them beyond reasonable doubt, critics have alleged.

    U.S. FRIEND LIKES TO BEHEAD
    Oread Daily http://oreaddaily.blogspot.com/

    Four migrant workers were beheaded in Saudia Arabia last week. The four Sri Lankans, all immigrant workers in that country, Victor Corea, Ranjith Silva, Sanath Pushpakumara and Sangeeth Kumara were alleged by Saudi authorities to have committed an armed robbery in March 2004, but no legal assistance was provided to them and no case had been proved against them beyond reasonable doubt, critics have alleged.

    “The execution of these four migrants, who had been badly beaten and locked up for years without access to lawyers, is a travesty of justice,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East and North Africa director at Human Rights Watch. “International law only allows states to use the death penalty for the most serious crimes and in the most stringent of circumstances – and neither condition was met in this case.”

    A Saudi court ordered the bodies of four Sri Lankans to be strung up and displayed in a public square after being beheaded. Some say this was done in an attempt to scare other immigrant workers in Saudi Arabia.

    There are an estimated amount of 350,000 Sri Lankans working in Saudi Arabia today.

    With one of the worst human rights records in the world, in the past, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia had executed people serving jail sentences. For instance, in 2006, after serving their jail sentences, the autocratic government of the Saudi king executed six Somali men. The human rights organization, Amnesty International, said until the prisoners were killed, neither they nor their families were aware of the execution and the executed had been denied consular or legal assistance.

    The following article was taken from the World Socialist Web Site.
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    Four Sri Lankan workers beheaded in Saudi Arabia
    By Parwini Zora
    26 February 2007

    Last Monday the Saudi Arabian government beheaded four Sri Lankan migrant workers—Sanath Pushpakumara, E.J.Victor Corea, Ranjith De Silva and Sangeeth Kumara—despite years of protest from international human rights organisations and the victims’ pleas for clemency. The beheading brought the number of people executed in Saudi Arabia this year to at least 17, compared to 38 for all of 2006. Two-thirds of those killed were foreign nationals.

    An estimated 350,000 Sri Lankans are working in Saudi Arabia and make up a significant portion of the 8.8 million foreigners living and working in the country. According to the report, Bad Dreams—Exploitation and abuse of migrant workers in Saudi Arabia, published by Human Rights Watch in July 2004, foreign nationals account for 67 percent of the workforce and hold 90 to 95 percent of private-sector jobs. Most come from South Asia and Africa to escape rising unemployment and poverty.

    The overwhelming majority are poorly paid and heavily indebted, due to the exorbitant fees charged by recruiting agencies. They often work as cleaners in hospitals and schools, as plumbers, carpenters, labourers and garbage collectors. Women are often engaged as domestic servants, assistants in beauty salons and as seamstresses. The report stated that migrant workers were often paid far lower salaries than promised and subjected to long working hours—up to 12 hours or more daily without overtime. Many instances were cited of salaries being unpaid for months and medical care being denied, although complaints are rarely made for fear of summary dismissal.

    In these circumstances, the use of the medieval Islamic law, including the death penalty and other brutal forms of punishment, serves a very definite political purpose. Whatever its religious justification, this legal system is being exploited by the autocratic Saudi regime to intimidate and terrorise the flood of cheap immigrant labour, on whom the country’s small wealthy elite is increasingly dependent.

    The four Sri Lankan workers were publicly executed for allegedly “forming a criminal gang which robbed a number of companies and threatened accountants and workers with weapons, shooting one of them and stealing his car”. They were arrested in March 2004 and convicted by an Islamic religious court in October of the same year.

    After these sentences were upheld in March 2005, the Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC) issued a statement, urging the Sri Lankan government to intervene to save the lives of Pushpakumara, Corea and De Silva. The fourth prisoner, Sangeeth Kumara, was not mentioned because he was not sentenced to death by the court, but was serving a 15-year prison sentence. The AHRC said the prisoners had received penalties far more severe than international legal standards, and those of their home country.

    From inside Al Nayad Prison in Riyadh the victims continually objected to the convictions because they were denied any legal representation. No substantial witnesses were presented in court to support the charges against them. They repeatedly appealed to the Sri Lankan authorities to secure their return to serve an appropriate sentence after facing a fair trial in Sri Lanka.

    In an attempt to deflect adverse international attention, the Sri Lankan Embassy in Saudi Arabia promised in March 2005 to appeal on behalf of the prisoners. The embassy confirmed that a discussion had been held with the Sri Lankan Foreign Employment Bureau (FEB), which organises the recruitment of overseas workers, to finance legal proceedings to seek reduced sentences.

    When family members in Sri Lanka subsequently gave interviews to the media about the plight of their relatives in prison, President Chandrika Kumaratunga issued a press release, claiming to have written to Saudi authorities requesting clemency. The Sri Lankan Embassy in Saudi Arabia, however, could give the AHRC no details of this communication.

    Family members made numerous private visits to the current Sri Lankan President Mahinda Rajapakse, even before his election in November 2005, requesting urgent help. A demonstration of several hundred people was held in Colombo following which Rajapakse, then the prime minister, met a delegation and personally guaranteed to intervene. A photograph of Rajapakse meeting the families appeared in the local press.

    De Silva’s mother has subsequently made a personal appeal to Rajapakse to help save her only son, while Pushpakumara made requests to see his child who was born after he left for Saudi Arabia.

    Faced with continued disinterest and lying pretences from the Sri Lankan government, De Silva announced—just two weeks before his execution—that he had started to write a book about his plight. He said he would seek help to publish the book in order to issue a wider call for justice.

    Following the executions, the AHRC issued a statement on its website, saying, “the [Sri Lankan] government must explain the execution of three whose death sentences were said to have been reconsidered and the execution of another who was sentenced only to imprisonment in Saudi Arabia”.

    According to the AHRC, the Sri Lankan government had earlier confirmed, “that the matter was being actively considered by the Saudi Arabian authorities and that the sentences would be commuted to life imprisonment”. Hence, the execution had come as a shock, with some family members only informed by a local news agency.

    Government spokesmen Keheliya Rambukwella told the BBC Sinhala Service that the government was in the process of recovering the bodies and “advises Sri Lankans going abroad to comply with the laws of the land”. He made no mention the government’s previous comments that the trial might have fallen short of international standards, with no legal representation allowed.

    This duplicity again reveals that the Sri Lankan government is not the least interested in the plight of Sri Lankan workers overseas, even when their maltreatment involves breaches of fundamental human rights and international law. As the AHRC stated, it is a basic obligation of any government to provide legal assistance for its citizens if convicted abroad, especially when facing death sentences.

    The AHRC called on the Sri Lankan government for an explanation. “Beyond the concerns of the four individuals, this execution raises questions regarding the relationship Sri Lanka has with other nations, particularly ones in which local citizens engage in large-scale employment. Do such relationships imply some form of supply of slave labour where the rights of the citizens are abandoned in pursuit of trade relations and foreign exchange earnings? Is Sri Lanka not in a position to take up the issues of the rights of citizens in a strong manner for fear of losing trade agreements or other contracts?”

    The answers to these questions are obvious. The Sri Lankan government will do nothing to threaten the virtual slave labour arrangements by which one million Sri Lankan workers—one eighth of the country’s labour force—work overseas to support their families. The government benefited directly from the $US2.3 billion in remittances sent home by Sri Lankan workers abroad last year, with well over 50 percent coming from workers in the Gulf.

    Rajapakse’s complacent and callous response to the execution of four overseas workers is simply the latest example, following its refusal to urgently rescue the 90,000 Sri Lankans stranded in heavily bombed Lebanon last year.

  27. J

    John, John, John. Surely you do not believe that the Saudis have anything to teach us.

    And the foreign workers are not there only because of poverty, because some of the foreign workers are neurosurgeons.

    The foreign workers are there because Saudi women especially those who live in cities are prevented from leaving home unless under the escort of husband, father or adult son. Women are also prohibited from driving, and must wear the full veil, including face veil. Imagine if you can what a drag this is on women’s productivity. Imagine what a drag it is on men’s productivity, becasue men have to leave whatever it is they are doing in order to escort their womenfolk. This is in large part the reason for the foreign workers. The foreign workers even if Muslim do not take thier wives and daughters with them and so are more free to work and move around. If you doubt me on the productivity bit, try it for a month. Try escorting your wife, daughter, maybe mother, maybe aunt for a month, wherever these women have to go you have to go too.

    So no the Saudis are not doing anybdy a favour by employing poor foreign workers. The foreign workers are doing the Saudis a favour. If as you article states upwards of 90% of the Saudi private sector is staffed by foreigners it is clear that Saudi Arabia cannot function without its “guest” workers. A significant of the Saudi public sector is also staffed by foreigners.

  28. John

    J

    I am just trying to show how different societies deal with armed robbery. The four poor Sri Lankans experienced the Saudi way.

    The Saudis as you see don’t get much into the jail time debate when they deal with Armed Robbery.

    Their approach stops it dead in its tracks and removes the need for the state to go to any expense in dealing with the Armed Robbers.

    It is not to say the Suadis are cheap and don’t like spending money, just that they have their own way, as we do ourselves.

    Surprisingly, Singapore is quite lenient with sentences of jail time when compared with the west, it is just the caning that must hurt.

    Try googling “Armed Robbery” Punishment and see how the other half lives.

    There are examples on the net of how Ghana, Nigeria, and Australia deal with the crime of Armed Robbery too.

    I am not for one moment saying we have to follow any of them, just be aware of how they deal with Armed Robbers in other countries …. and consider our options.

  29. anonlegal

    The British newspapers say that the Barbados court found the shooting was “accidental” – and Daniel’s parents are outraged.

    I am not a lawyer, but any damned fool knows that when you arm yourself with a handgun, and then wait for a family to come home to rob them, and then shoot a young man twice in the chest… it is no bloody accident.
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    well, i wouldnt really blame the court for this one (when i say court i mean judiciary). In a murder trial it is the jury that decides. You may not be a lawyer but niether were the persons that made this decision.

  30. anonlegal

    Our friend John rightly points out that the Barbados media has ignored this case. No mention of Daniel May’s name is to be found in the archives of the Nation Newspaper.
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    Are you sure that it was not reported in the hard copy of the newspaper? The nation usually covers murder trials in Barbados in its court page. If you are really interested you can probably call the nation library and ask them to do a search, I have done that before and got what i needed.

  31. from a friend of roth

    Anonlegal,

    Your point is that the Nation News may have had dead tree edition coverage of this murder, but censored it from their online edition.

  32. Bajan

    To “From a friend or roth”

    Well, who would blame them! The country relies on tourism and, crime deters tourism! If the industry takes a big hit the economy will have to be seriously diversified..Most of the economy is built around tourism to the extent that when people invest in Barbados they invest to tap into the tourism sector thus, if that goes then…

  33. from a friend of roth

    What other types of news does the Barbados news media censor from citizens and from the world?

  34. I don’t think 25 years is a fair sentence, how much is your life worth, how much is the life of your family members worth? I personally feel that any criminal that try’s to take something that doesn’t belong to them and the result is an innocent person gets murdered; they should rot in jail for the rest of their miserable lives. In fact let them rot in jail for 10 years then hang them! Its the same in the Uk people don’t get the punishment that the crime deserves.

  35. John

    anonlegal
    April 28, 2008 at 6:29 am
    Our friend John rightly points out that the Barbados media has ignored this case. No mention of Daniel May’s name is to be found in the archives of the Nation Newspaper.
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    Are you sure that it was not reported in the hard copy of the newspaper? The nation usually covers murder trials in Barbados in its court page. If you are really interested you can probably call the nation library and ask them to do a search, I have done that before and got what i needed.
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    Maybe it was there, maybe not.

    My feeling is that by nature Bajans are interested in skin colour and if the story was there in the press for everyone to see, no one would now be wondering how come they had not seen it.

    Besides, it involved guests to our shores and by nature, Bajans are protective of our visitors and would have expressed outrage.

    This is not the kind of case that Bajans would be ignorant of, unless it was not covered in the press.

  36. John

    I have heard of other cases of violence against visitors and never seen them carried in the press to the point where I begin to doubt the persons who told me, many of whom I implicitly trust and believe.

    The last instance of serious violence (Armed Robbery) against a visitor I heard about involved a very influential foreigner and I got that from a source which for me is unimpeachable.

    I have had it confirmed from other good sources, but have never seen a mention of it in the papers.

    Not carrying all of the lurid details in the press I can appreciate because not only does the press not want to interfere with a Police investigation it doesn’t want to sensationalise.

    The issue of bad PR for Barbados is also present. The visitor may also not want the publicity either.

    But at the same time the public needs to be given the opportunity to dissassociate itself from these drastic crimes and encourage the courts which act on its behalf to bring the full weight of law, and custom, to bear on the offender.

    I believe that it is what the public accepts, custom, that becomes law and that is why laws and punishments change from time to time. Drawing and quartering was at one time on the statute books and was applied.

    I am unsure as to whether the lack of coverage is a reflection on what the society will permit or whether it is because it is in the best interest of the tourist industry to keep it quiet.

    I have shown that the specific crime of Armed Robbery is dealt with quite differently. There is no one punishment from country to country.

    I believe that how the court in a country acts is determined by what the society allows.

  37. Ady Hotep

    http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1314223,00.html

    If you go to the above article.You can read about the sentence handed out for a nasty murder committed by some ‘feral’ youth in Lancashire,England.This sentence is not unusual for murder/manslaughterin Blighty.Make of it what you will.

  38. John

    Ady Hotep

    The punishment comes down to what the particular society accepts.

    The sentence to me indicates what is acceptable to the public in Blighty.

  39. Agenda Man

    As far as I recall, the story was carried in the newspapers and I think even the sentencing, so that is enough for me – I don’t see any cover up. Who says they have to keep everything online.

    I’m sure there is plenty of comments made here that are only accessible to the BFP administrators.

    You may say that hard disk space is cheap these days but online space is not as cheap.

    ****************

    BFP says,

    Nice try… the sentencing was not carried in the print edition of either newspaper. As far as the murder goes, many folks have never heard of it.

    Nope… nice try.

  40. anonlegal

    BFP says:

    “As far as the murder goes, many folks have never heard of it”
    ——————————–

    Many folks never heard of this murder and the reason for this must be that someone is trying to cover it up. This faulty logic always amuses me.

    Murders trials are generally reported in the court pages of the Newspaper (and if what Agenda man says is true, this particular case was reported). Just because some people missed the report does not mean that there is some conspiracy to hide it from the public eye.

    ********************

    BFP says

    It was a major story, yes?

    Neither the CBC nor the Nation News reported it online at the time, or the sentencing.

    If that omission was not deliberate, then what was it?

    As to reporting it in the print edition, we’ll have to remain “show me” folks until someone without an agenda says it was on page so and so.

  41. peltdownman

    Pat
    If the purpose of carrying the gun to a robbery was just for the purpose of intimidation, then why load it? The law was changed fairly recently in Barbados to allow for manslaughter in cases such as this. It is a downright disgrace. I agree with most of the bloggers above. If you carry a loaded gun to a robbery, then the intent is there to use if you “have to”.

  42. justice

    I recall reading the story in print some weeks ago. I do not recall the sentencing being carried. But it may have been were he convicted of murder. The prosecution must prove the intent to kill or cause grievous bodily harm for there to be a murder conviction. The jury simply did not believe that the intent was proven, no mattter what those who did not hear the evidence may think..

  43. justice

    Forget it, BFP.

  44. Tony Hall

    For those of you who are unaware news of this crime was carried in the Nation newspaper. I remembered when it happened and when the case was covered in court by the said newspaper. Regardless of what emotions we have the law is the law and the DPP might accept a plea of manslaughter NOT BECAUSE OF INCOMPETENT
    POLICE WORK as a blogger wrote but because the standard of evidence might not be up to the point where one can prove murder which comprises of the element of “malice aforethought”.It is hard to prove that when the assailant went into the house with the gun that there was “intent” to kill anyone. This could be thrown out by the jury or on appeal, hence the lesser charge is mostly accepted to secure a conviction.Barbados does not hang persons anymore so it is better to give a person 25 years for manslaughter than to risk that person being acquitted on a murder charge.

  45. John

    justice
    April 29, 2008 at 12:44 pm
    I recall reading the story in print some weeks ago. I do not recall the sentencing being carried. But it may have been were he convicted of murder. The prosecution must prove the intent to kill or cause grievous bodily harm for there to be a murder conviction. The jury simply did not believe that the intent was proven, no mattter what those who did not hear the evidence may think..
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    … were you able to read anything about the evidence in the paper when you read about the case or are you speaking as one who did not hear, or read the evidence?

    Guess many people, myself included, think that if you and an accomplice turn up with a gun to commit a robbery your intent is pretty unambiguous.

    Perhaps, but this is stretching it, the bearer of the firearm was actually licenced to carry it and just could not find anywhere to leave it while he and his accomplice were committing the robbery.

    Maybe that is why he had to carry it to the robbery where as it turns out, it came in quite handy.

    There should have had a sign, and security at the door to let the robber and his accomplice know that he could not bring the firearm on the premises, kind of like the Central Bank or the Government offices in Warrens.

  46. I travel to Barbados on a regular basis, I also have numerous family members living on the Island and they haven’t heard about it, and there was barely any mention of it in the UK press, I feel I maybe need to do an article on crime against tourists in Barbados. In the UK if someone gets murdered it will make the front page of the newspapers and appear on television, and when it comes to trial usually within 6-8 months of the criminal being caught it will appear in the media again. Oh Lord, why does it take so long to get to trail in Barbados, it sounds like the legal system is a complete joke.

    If the crime levels are on the increase in Barbados, believe me it will harm the tourist industry, people will head to another island, and spend their precious dollars. As we all know, through the power of the Internet nothing stays covered up or hidden for very long, it is never hard to find bad news! I know how difficult it is for ordinary decent hard working Bajans to find employment and for a decent wage, the Government needs to do more to create jobs. I also feel that like in the UK the Barbados Government needs to implement a minimum wage for the people, I know how much some of the huge hotel chains are paying there staff, and it’s a joke. The minimum wage in the UK is £5.52 which is about 21.50 Barbados, also our supermarket prices are cheaper than what you guys have.

    For the record most people in the UK are sick to death of the inadequate sentences handed out to criminals, even the police cant believe some of the sentences given by those crazy old fools of judges. I personally feel if the judges or there families, started becoming victims of crime, only then would they fully understand how a victim feels and then they might just start to give out fair and just sentences to the criminal element. One day there will be backlash by the public against the criminals and the Government, I see it coming.

    I think the State of Texas in the USA, has got it right, you break into my property and I have the right to shoot you dead, if I catch you, and believe me I would.

  47. John

    I don’t think it is the Judges that make the law.

  48. Lady Anon

    BFP says,

    Nice try… the sentencing was not carried in the print edition of either newspaper. As far as the murder goes, many folks have never heard of it.

    Nope… nice try.

    ————-

    I beg to differ. I read the dead tree edition of the Nation not the online one, and I recall reading this case and actually following it. I was a bit concerned when the sentence was 25 years, but at least for 18.75 years, this man should be off the streets.

    Will look for the date of the paper and let you know.

  49. Lady Anon

    Found it. Wednesday March 12, 2008. Page 29A. Headings “Cop: Man said gun ‘went off’ as he ran”; “Accused: Nothing to do with murder”

    Court report summary “British Tourist Murder Trial. Justice Kaye Goodridge delivers her summation today on when the murder trial of Andrew Leroy Lovell resumes in the No. 4 Supreme Court. A 12-member jury will then decide his fate. Lovell, 24, a jet ski operator, of Mose Land, Fitts Village, St James is accused of murdering British tourist Daniel Christopher May on July 27, 2005. He is represented by ….Yesterday, the Crown closed its case and the accused opted to remain in the dock for his defence. He then called two witnesses. Lawyers for both sides then addressed the jury.”

  50. John

    Thanks Lady Anon I missed the report on this trial completely and would have continued to incorrectly think the papers chose not to give this any coverage.

    Sometimes I skim the Court pages and read what catches my eye, but usually it is much of the same so some days I really don’t look too hard.

    The dead tree edition did not seem overly concerned about the case and certainly did not give it any coverage like the Highgate case where a firearm was also discharged but no one died.

    Wonder how it reported it when it actually happened in 2005. Would need to go to the archives at the Nation to see.

    No use even trying the Advocate.

  51. justice

    I notice Lady Anon did not refer to the sentencing news being carried, and I don’t think it was.Why?

  52. Tony Hall

    You guys pick at little things too often. The important thing is that a sentece was handed down.

  53. John

    Here are the inmates on death row in Delaware, USA.

    http://doc.delaware.gov/information/deathrow.shtml

    Here is a list of inmates executed in Colorado in 108 year period 1859 to 1967.

    http://users.bestweb.net/~rg/execution/COLORADO.htm

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  55. Lady Anon

    Justice…

    You are quite right…the sentencing was not carried. I checked the papers up to April and I did not see anything.

    However, this would not be the first time that the entire case was carried up to the verdict, but the sentencing not published.

    I guess it is a matter of priorities for the Nation.

  56. justice

    The death penalty for armed robbery is only possible in Georgia if a murder occurs during its commission.

  57. Bimbro

    I agree they should be hung but these same British people would probably, normally, be outraged at the suggestion of hanging a person in their own UK. So, why the double standard? Obviously, because it’s their own child and you have the death penalty in Bim. Is that hypocrisy? I suggest that it might be. However, that feature is no stranger to the British. Countless people, young, middle-aged and old are murdered here, every year and you hardly, ever hear anybody call for the return of the death penalty.

    They said terrible things about Bim? Now, there’s a surprise. This country is one of the most racist and evil ones for west indians. The africans are their new, blue-eyed boys, with their supposed, ‘greater intelligence’ starving children and everybody dying of AIDS and lower crime rate (at least in the UK), how could you other than pity them.

    West Indians are at the bottom of the pile of choice for any endeavour, and with the africans’ blessings! Thus you can imagine how much I love them (africans) and their arrogant attitude towards us, here.

    No wonder I say, kick the ones you’ve got over there back to africa, post haste!

    As if africa’s got anything at all, to commend it!

  58. bajanbat

    just some “facts” that may be of interest:
    1 the Highgate incident involved a “man of colour” allegedly threatening two “black” yutes with a gun and his son, also a “man of colour” allegedly beating them.
    2 Daniel May was a “white” man shot by a “black” man.
    3 I recall the Daniel May incident was reported in the hard copy press when it occured.
    4 Many if not most Brits would welcome the death penalty to be back on their books but the people who make the laws won’t have it.

  59. John

    bajanbat

    Try Armed Robbery gone wrong and proceed from there in each case.

    The society has the last say, but having said that, I could not be a judge and have to impose the death penalty on anyone.

    The system is just too imperfect.

  60. Bimbro

    I could not be a judge and have to impose the death penalty on anyone.

    ***************************************

    John, cowardice breeds lawlessness!

  61. John

    Bimbro

    I am going to have to seriously take stock of myself.

    You are the second person to call me a coward.

    Carl reckons I am one too for anonymously talking about myself.

    I will do some serious soul searching.

    I thank you for bringing this to my attention.

  62. no name

    The manipulation of laws by law makers breeds lawlessness.

  63. Rumplestilskin

    John,

    No. Do not change because of name calling by a few.

    In reality, we all have attributes, each may have what others think of as faults, but in some may also be attributes.

    We are all different and what we are meant to be. We also make choices and this is our right as individuals.

    Someone will be a judge, someone a member of a jury. That is their choice or destiny.

    What is the difference between a judge, who imposes the sentence and the jury, who actually decide guilt or innocence?

    If one is into pedantics, the jury is more ‘responsible’ for decisions than the judge, who merely guides within the legal framework surely?

    Nevertheless, ultimately we all make choices and need to live by these.

    Your conscience, your choice, your right.

  64. John

    You’re right, I am who I am and I am happy with that.

    Can’t change miraculously.

    But always good to be aware of criticism.

  65. martin woodward

    why are people like you arguing you dont even know the family, they are good people who lost the precious thing that they adored in life, daniel was a very fine boy and he is missed dearly.

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  67. Sophie Brannon

    Daniel May is actually my cousin, and I am so pleased to see an article like this, actually telling nothing but the truth,
    Thank you!

  68. West Ham Girl

    Me and Sophie Brannon are cousins and Daniel was our cousin. Despite the outcome its not going to bring him back. We’ve had to deal with a tragic loss and yes, three years for a trial is an absolute joke. There was not much press on this matter, but thank you to the person who wrote this article.

    I was in Barbados when this happened and although I do not blame the country, the legal system is messed up, just as it is in the UK, that is a fact.