Barbados Foreign Affairs Minister Has Huge Mouth – All The Better To Accommodate His Feet

I must get to work so I can take some time off this afternoon for BFP’s weekly lunch drunkup – er, make that “editorial meeting”, but I can’ t let this pass.

Two quotes come to my attention this morning from our Minister of Foreign Affairs Chris Sinckler, who was speaking about the Africans who are stranded in Barbados.

Maybe he was misquoted. He can’t be that big of a fool, can he?

Oh… you’d better sit down if you haven’t yet heard…

Idiocy #1: “Only Very Special, Rare And Expensive Aircraft Can Fly From Barbados To Africa”

Sinckler said there were several problems facing the Government in getting the stranded Africans back home, chief of which was sourcing a plane to make the trip.

“The Barbados Government is trying everything within its power . . . [but] it will cost more than US$1 million to get the appropriate aircraft; even more to put them on a commercial aircraft as we would have to negotiate with the countries they would have to stop in.”

He said a special type of aircraft, one which could fly over water for an extended period, was required, but only a few companies in the world possessed such and the aircraft originally chartered to fly the Africans here was being leased elsewhere.

from The Nation News $2 Million Flight

Our Comment

First of all, Minister Sinckler’s statement that the aircraft that flew the Africans here is being leased elsewhere totally confirms our article The Great African Tourist Scam Of 2008 – Ghana International Airlines Knew They Weren’t Returning To Barbados!

Secondly, who does Sinckler think he is kidding? The aircraft that brought the Africans here was an ordinary Boeing 757-256, leased from Icelandair. Aircraft fly the Atlantic and Pacific every day you know – Boeing 757s, 767s 747s and then the longer-range Airbus models too. Somebody better tell Sinckler!

With the lowered air traffic reported since the beginning of the year there are lots available for charter. Lots.

BFP’s resident ATP pilot Robert checked this very morning with Sir Richard Branson’s Virgin Charter and a few other operators – all of whom said they would be HAPPY to fly 100 passengers from Barbados to Ghana… non-stop with a Boeing for half a million US dollars tops. Time to get it together from a standing start is about 5 days, and a few operators said that price could be slashed considerably with ten days notice to as low as US$315,000.

US$500,000 is the price of that charter, which you will notice is HALF THE PRICE being quoted by Minister Sinckler. Robert says that at one million US dollars being quoted by Sinkler, the Government of Barbados is having our pockets picked.

Tell you what, Mr. Sinckler – give Robert the go-ahead and he’ll arrange a flight for US$750k. You can look like a hero for doing better than your US$1 million dollar price and you and Robert can both put about US$125,000 profit each into your pockets.

That’s the way things work ’bout hey, ya know. Maybe our new Minister Sinckler betta get a second quote and not rely upon his underlings too much, don’t you think?

Idiocy #2: The Barbados Government Will Not Tolerate “Inflammatory and Unnecessary Dialogue”

(Sinckler) refuted claims that (the stranded Africans) were being mistreated and said the Government was working with the UN on the matter.

“We will not be tolerating citizens, who should know better, encouraging civil disobedience with inflammatory and unnecessary dialogue.”

from The Nation News $2 Million Flight

Our Comment

We’ll let our readers tell Mr. Sinckler what they think of his statement.

Comments are open, folks!

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86 responses to “Barbados Foreign Affairs Minister Has Huge Mouth – All The Better To Accommodate His Feet

  1. Prince

    your post is annoying and arrogant!

  2. reality check

    the point is accountability for every Barbadian taxpayer cent.

    There hasn’t been any to date.

    A special deal could be negotiated with BA or Virgin for perhaps $6,000 per person or half of a direct charter.

    Government is not use to anyone looking over their shoulder.

    This is hardly arrogant!!!

    Its part of ITAL we are all anxiously waiting for.

  3. Naural Mystic

    Perhaps it is a bit annoying, but the point is very central and relevant. Bajans want value for the taxes paid though. What is the use of being careful and reducing our consumption if it is only penny wise and we are looking at constant big highjack of the treasury? Maybe this is the humble point?

    Are we still working with the same middlemen for bringing our supplies from away that was discussed last year? Why?

    One can only ask these questions; but if they ask politely will they receive the answers or be able to curb the theft, and the motivation to do so?

  4. Owing After

    Where are the other 9 0r ninety? Who is kidding who? Or are we all kidding ourselves. How foolish can we be.? It is in our best interest to ensure a flight carries back everyone.. Did they say 96 were here? Where are the other 9? At then end of the day, they will only go if they are rounded up. Well Barbadians seem to fascinated enough to harbour and hide anyone.

  5. justice

    I think the second statement is appropriate; the first, well…I am not so sure why Sinckler would not want to get the cheapest fare home for these people. Virgin would be happy to fly these Africans home? For $500, 000? Seems too good to be true!

  6. 179

    I cant believe the stupidity of Mr Sinckler! A quick check with British Airways on line gave me a one way ticket to Ghana from Barbados via Heathrow (intransit visa would be required, which should not be a problem since its a one way ticket back home)departing April 24th for US 2297 per person, plus taxes of $Us 611 .48, for a total of US 2908.48.
    So , 100 passengers would cost US 29o848!
    And they get nice meals and TV too!
    What are we waiting for? Of course this way there are no “commisions” possible, so it wont happen!

  7. justice

    Anon, they can’t go via Heathrow; they can’t get a transit visa.

  8. Bajanboy

    An arrangement could for UK immigration to meet the flight and escort the Africans directly to the next flight. Even if they tried to escape, they would not make it past security.

    Why does government make simple things so difficult? What do we pay the 28,000+ people working in government for? It is so annoying that this has dragged on for so long!!

  9. Zachary

    Anonymous and Bajanboy are correct. I have some experience in the enforcement immigration area overseas. Arrangements can be made on a diplomatic level between Bdos and U.K. so that when the flight arrives, U.K. immigration can arrange something (overnight is necessary) and then escort the Ghanaians on board and make sure that they leave U.K. This is done internationally on a regular basis. The numbers however may pose a bigger problem.

  10. ROBOT

    i agree with zachary, bajan boy and anonymous

    special arrangements can be made

  11. TamJ

    1st of, does Mr. Sinkler think that bajans are stupid? What is this special aircraft that he speaks of? That can travel long distances over water? lol. Come on now!! So the other planes travel long distances over land? The poor handling of this entire Ghana situation, in addition to the poor handling of the price increase situation, in addition to the poor handling of the subsidies given by the DLP government in the 1st 2 months in office, in addition to the poor handling of the Royal Shop and Sandy Layne industrial relations saga…and I can go on and on and on, just shows that we have hired an incompetent government to do the job! But wunna Bajans wanted change. In the 1st ninety days wunna get change alright, de change dat leff in wunna pockets.

  12. The Truth

    When bajans are deported from the US or UK who pays that bill ?

  13. Rumplestilskin

    So it is either USD$1Mill vs USD$500K or USD $291K approximately?

    What makes up the difference? Bureaucratic wastage?

    As for ”we will not be tolerating citizens, who should know better, encouraging civil disobedience with inflammatory and unnecessary dialogue”

    The question we need to ask is, has ‘Mia” got into Sinckler via some ObeahMan?

    Is that not reflective of Mia’s previous statements?

    ‘Not be tolerating’?

    Chris laddie, have you been listening to ’round-the-bend and flipped Hitlerite’ Robert Mugabe?

    No, citizens have a right to open and free dialogue.

    Calm down laddie.

  14. Fool me once

    ChrisnotinSinck learning fast. First he tell say it gonna be one million. Then he will send em all home for three hundred thousand dollars but say it were six so some of which end up in your pocket. Then he gonna brag about what a great deal he made. Nation will print him up real sweet and good with no questions.

    Don’ t break your arm patting yourself on the back just yet Chris.These days there are people and blogs getting smartur about these things.

  15. Donald Duck, Esq

    You all don’t realise that the government believes they will be able to get all the ghanians who are here illegally to suddenly turn up for the flight home. Does any right thinking person believe this happen. If they charter a flight, they may only get 50% of the number that are here. They will therefore have to fork more funds again to repatriate the remainder.

  16. 179

    Why does everyone think they all have to be sent back one one flight, or on a charter? Send them back 10 at a time on BA via Gatwick/Heathrow for abot $3000 us per person. It would take ten flights to do this, but in could be done.They could be “intransit” in England, as the Flight to Ghana leaves the same day it arrives.Yes, immigration assistance in England would have to be arranged…but what do we have a British Consul in Barbados for, besides Cocktail Parties?
    So ,100 would be back home within a few weeks. They have already been here for more time while our brain surgeons in government try to find “a special aircraft”…what BS!

  17. John

    I thought it was 153 people the plane brought here.

    Do we know the actual number who are to be returned accurately?

    Chris is catching on quick!!!

    The Ghanain Goverment claims it will take $12 million to get their citizens back.

    The $1 million shows just how quick these politicians catch on.

    Chris is already a hero for saving $11 million and along comes Robert to show him up!!

    Maybe the unit of currency is Ghanain, not US$, shades of Dale “I are a idiot” Marshall.

    Here is the quote and the link:

    “Chronicle still stands on its position that the government should compel the tour operator to bear the cost of the $12million the government will spend to bring the stranded Ghanaians back home.”

    http://allafrica.com/stories/200804020697.html

  18. John

    Perhaps Chris is on his way to show the Ghanain Government that it doesn’t need to spend $12 million, ….. he will do it for them as a favour at $1 million.

    You think he stupid?

    He will be a hero both sides of the Atlantic.

    “Chronicle still stands on its position that the government should compel the tour operator to bear the cost of the $12million the government will spend to bring the stranded Ghanaians back home.”

    http://allafrica.com/stories/200804020697.html

  19. Waterboy

    Any comment from Ikael. Wasn’t he instrumental in bringing them here?

  20. Bush tea

    I really wonder how long it will take you bloggers to recognize the fact that this place is controlled fully by civil servants who cannot be fired, cannot be penalized in any way for anything, and who have their jobs for life no matter how inefficient they are, or which party is in power.

    There will be little change in efficiency in getting things done after January 15.

    I hope that you people do not REALLY think that the politicians actually DO anything….. except speeches – and these are mostly written for them.

    Poor Sinclair probably did not even know what he ‘said’ until BFP picked it up…. and the ones who have been unable to find ways of deporting the Africans by the simple means of booking available flights and shipping them out are probably the same ones responsible for mis-scrutinizing the documents that allowed them in in the first place.

    To solve the problem of inefficiency and mediocrity in this place we need to start by firing all those who clearly are not performing assigned duties efficiently in the peoples business…..starting at the Permanent Secretary level.
    …in short time we would see serious progress….

  21. Tony Hall

    TamJ,
    Explain the bad handling of the price increases, the handling of the Royal Shop and Sandy Lane situations. I need enlightening. You appear to be a BLP hack. Please come again!!!!

  22. GreenBB

    IMO I have a feeling that if Barbados takes the BGI–UK–Ghana option and has to cut some kind of transit deal with the UK they will be admitting that this whole thing was a scam by the Ghanians, aka “the truth will come out…”Does anyone think someone here was behind the scam???

    If they charter a plane and blow Barbados tax dollars it still comes off as a minor misunderstanding.

    I still don’t know why Barbados immigration won’t issue them extensions, this simple little gesture would pave the way for a UK transit visa.

  23. robin hood

    “The Barbados Government is doing all within its power…….but it will cost more than US$1million to get the appropriate aircraft; even more to put them on a commercial aircraft…..” That is a direct quote from a Minister of Government in Barbados. I could not believe my eyes when I read this! Sinckler compounds his stupidity with yet another quote………..” a special type of aircraft, one that could fly over water for an extended period”………..
    Could somebody please educate Sinckler about modern day aircraft. BA and Virgin fly these “special” aircraft out of Barbados to the UK everyday. And, for the gem of a quote from Sinckler……………..” we will not be tolerating citizens, who should know better, encouraging civil disobedience with inflammatory and unnecessary dialogue”………. well, well so we are now under seige from our own government ministers just like the people of Zimbabwe. How soon will it be before “martial law” is declared because we see it fit to exercise our democratic rights. Will somebody please tell Sinckler and the rest of his “cronies” to wake up and smell the roses!

  24. robin hood

    Seems to me it took the BLP party in goverment some 14 years to sound as if they were there forever, but it has only taken the DLP party a little over 90 days to start showing the same behaviour. Well, seems as if we might be in for a rough 5 years. Or maybe not, it only took 20,000-30,000 people a few years ago to get “lump it or like it” Sandi and his acolytes out of government pronto!!

  25. So Long

    Did you twits really expect a difference…?

  26. Jay

    Yeah GreenBB,They would be able to get either a UK or a French transit visa if they were able to get the extension.The cheapest flights that I’ve checked out also start from ~$1300 but those particular connections would require coming to the United States & having asked someone from the local immigration here it looks highly unlikely that they’d be able to take the U.S. connection.

    I also wonder if anyone came across the following site & if any of these names are related to those who made it into Barbados since most of the nationals appear to originate from Ghana & Nigeria.

    http://www.hobotraveler.com/vi_barbadosvisaorentrystamp.php

    On topic,It could be true that only expensive jumbo jets could reach Barbados since a Boeing 757 is mainly meant to replace the older Boeing 737 model according to wiki.Both were mainly built to be short to medium range aircraft when fully loaded & Barbados to Ghana is approximately 6300 Km or ~4000 miles but I think I’m beginning to understand why many think it was a scam in the first place since that sort of journey is really,REALLY stretching the envelope for 757s.

    Distance to Ghana-http://www.mapcrow.info/cgi-bin/cities_distance_airpt2.cgi?city3=-2000723%2CB&city4=273362%2CG
    Flight distance of a 757-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_757

  27. Jay

    Despite my last comment concerning the distance of a 757 it appears London is much farther from Barbados than Ghana.

    Anyway,we shall all know what happens this coming Monday since according to nationnews.com Gilbert Greaves places that as the deadline for most of the remaining African nationals,”communicate with this department “.

    “Plea to Africans: Turn yourselves in
    Published on: 4/17/08.

    THOSE Ghanaian and Nigerian visitors who have been stranded here since February this year need to go or make immediate contact with the Immigration Department.

    This plea from Chief Immigration Officer Gilbert Greaves comes in the wake of an earlier one made last week when an initial group of them complied and are now safely accommodated at Paragon, Christ Church.

    Greaves said this latest call is being made since less than half of the 96 people had voluntarily come forward.

    “If the others do not comply, we would therefore have no choice but to review their status once they fail to communicate with this department
    by Monday, April 21,” he advised.

    “It is critical that we are able to locate all of them at short notice, since Government is making earnest plans to have them repatriated safely and orderly on a single chartered flight,” he said.

    The group of Africans arrived in Barbados on February 1 and was due to leave on February 15 but the plane never returned. (BGIS)”

    http://www.nationnews.com/story/321423462994315.php

  28. Jukecheckedeyskirt

    HahaHAHA this really makes me laugh. Special aircraft. What special aircraft?. The only special aircraft he could be talking about must be the Space Shuttle. You mean in 2008 and of all the excuses to justify 1 million smacker-roos, all the minister could come up with is a special aircraft and some threat. My beloved Prime Minister, I told you I believe in you and that you are in a position to show your true mantle, but I beckon you to review carefully some of your decisions and verbal powder puffs coming from your administration of recent. I want you to know that I loved the former prime minister as well but he became like the ruthless Sheriff of Nottenham. Remember the monkey has to climb, and so his tail is far more easier to see. I gone

  29. GreenBB

    What about the Concorde?

  30. Tom Field

    Why is the Barbados Government taking blame for all of this? Does anyone feel that if conditions were reversed and 100 Barbadians landed in Ghana/UK/USA without means of returning home, that a host government would house, clothe and feed them as we are doing. And would the host government pay passage for 100 Barbadians to remain home? I think not.

    If we have to charter a plane to return them to Ghana, let’s include an extra 100 Barbadians without return tickets or money and then we’ll know for sure how stranded passenger are treated. Anyone willing to take a free flight to Mother Africa? Maybe those who arranged the flight in first place…. and our local champion who is always in the forefront of anything African, even to the point of misrepresenting Barbados’ interest.

  31. So Long

    where is anonymous’ comment?

    **********

    BFP

    The anonymous comment you refer to could be 179 or Tony Hall – both of which said anonymous at one time. We don’t allow the posting of comments using the name “anonymous”. Everybody must have a handle or we assigned the last digit of your IP number.

  32. John

    http://allafrica.com/stories/200804020697.html

    “Chronicle still stands on its position that the government should compel the tour operator to bear the cost of the $12million the government will spend to bring the stranded Ghanaians back home. The Ghanaian taxpayer cannot afford to lose such huge sums of money on a frivolous trip and a tour operator’s fraudulent deal.”

    Chris will become a hero on both sides of the atlantic.

    He will save the Ghanaian taxpayer $11 million in addition to repatriating the Ghanaians.

    All we need to figure out is if the article in the Chronicle is talking about $11 million USD or in some other currency, kind of like what Dale (I are a idiot) Marshall came up with about the prison.

  33. So Long

    It was suppose to be an experiment to by pass Heathrow in transatlantic travel. It failed. I think it should be tried again but with different organisers, ones who actually know what were doing.

    In any event the Africans appear quite resourceful and energetic, very much like the kind of people the have been immigrating to the US over the past few centuries. I certainly would not mind if they stayed.

  34. John

    $1 million is $11 million less than what the Chronicle in Ghana claims its Government says it will take to get its citizens home.

  35. Independent Thinker

    Jolly good idea Tom Field! I say that we sent Commisong along with those 100!

  36. reality check

    Bush Tea is absolutely correct

    start by firing half of the PS’s and work on down.

  37. So Long

    Will you leave Commisong alone for pete’s sake.

  38. Just Asking

    I used to think that Sinckler was the only one in Davey’s Cabinet that had any sense, but his comment:
    “We will not be tolerating citizens, who should know better, encouraging civil disobedience with inflammatory and unnecessary dialogue”
    is extremely alarming. I wonder if he has not read a little document called the Constitution of Barbados.

    The more things change the more they stay the same.

    At least the BLP knew how to manage the economy, which I am not convinced that this pack of jokers has the first clue about. I learnt a long time ago that an accountant does not a good businessman/economist/marketer make. They generally lack creativity and have a consuming focus on the bottom line.

    But time will tell folks. I hope Bajans aint snatch at the shadow and drop the bone, coz things going get rough ’bout hey.

    Perhaps Peter Wickham was right and they will be the first one term government in our history.

  39. Fairplay

    Most of the BLP cry babies on this blog must get real because when the corruption over the past three terms is exposed, Barbadian will look past them to a third party. This Government must be given time to get their program going. Not three months. They should be congratulated for giving the persons living in NHC units their letters of intent as promised before the 100 days are up. Chris Sinckler is going to be in parliament for a long time so stop crying.

  40. Tell me Why

    They should be congratulated for giving the persons living in NHC units their letters of intent as promised before the 100 days are up.
    ………………………………………………………………………………….
    This decision should have been ventilated on the blogs. We are looking at an average of 2,000 NHC tenants receiving units FREE OF COST, with the exception of legal fees and no one seems to realise the problems of wiping out 2, 000 lower income homes.

    We are looking at two serious problems due to these give-a-ways.

    Firstly, these units were rented for less that $40.00 a week. Would the construction of new homes by the NHC be rented for less than $50.00? If the answer is in the negative… what will be the alternative housing for these people? Will we now have families living like vagrants?

    Secondly, you state you are giving the tenants these houses due to the maintenance factor, yet, you are continuing with the maintenance of these houses although the houses will be owned by the tenants? What sense will this make?

    These are the problems which are being manifested and being overlooked by partisan politics.

  41. John

    TMW

    The maintenace point I agree with.

    It seemed strange to me too.

    If the renter becomes the proud owner, then bear the liabilities of property ownership.

    Will Government also pay the property tax?

    Perhaps the maintenace arrangement will terminate when the deeds to the unit are actually handed over and the renter actually becomes the proud owner.

    It may not be exactly politic to say that actually all that exists is the letter and this may be the reason for the funny situation of continued maintenace.

    I don’t follow the first point you make.

    The unit will only become available to another low income earner when the renter stops renting and moves on but why would the renter want to do that and go through the trouble of moving and renting at a more than likely higher price.

    Come to think of it, the renter should also have the option to continue renting. Becoming the owner with responsibility for the liabilities of ownership wasn’t part of the original deal.

    Maybe it all has to do with the fact that more than one tenant occupies a block and responsibility for the block remains with the GOB if all units aren’t given away.

    … Man oh man ……, this could become a real headache not only for the GOB but also for the proud new owner.

    Wonder if the GOB really thought this one through. Seems like we are not getting all the facts.

    It is good to be proceeding full speed to meet the 100 day commitments, but I rather see more substance than form.

    Not a good sign.

  42. J

    I wondered if I had missed something (like a few loose screws) when Mr. Sinkler said that it required special aircraft to do the translantic journey. Hundreds of aircraft cross the Atlantic and the Pacific everyday. I’ve done 5 trans Atlantic journeys myself staring in 1978 with Laker airways for $199 (ahh!!! the good old days). But I am still not sure what Mr. Sinkler means about ‘special’ aircraft. Maybe he can explain. The Africans can go charter or via London or elsewhere. The reality is that the U.K won’t grant transit visas and the Barbados goverment can’t compel the British. Passengers transitting can do do make refugee claims, which have to be given due process and adjucated, the process takes months, maybe years and the claimants have a right to remain until the claim and appeals are properly adjucated. Maybe the U.K doesn’t want to be stuck with more refugee claimants. So no visas for the Ghanians and certainly none for the Nigerians. That’s the truth, regardless of what the government says.

  43. J

    In Saturday’s Nation the PM is qouted as saying that “more humane treatment was afforded Ghanians in Barbados than elsewhere” That may be so, but should our PM be comparing us with elsewhere? Should not the PM be upholding the Constitution, which I believe permits freedom of movement and prohibits detention for more that 72 hours without an arrest warrant issued by the courts. The Ghanians have been at Paragon for more than 72 hours and I believe that they are not free to come and go at will therefore they are under arrest and this has been done without the authority of any court. If David was not the PM and these were his clients would he be confident that his they were getting the best that the Barbados constitution affords?

    But is this statement true. If you are on a military base and cannot go and come at will than you are under arrest no matter what David says. And neither David nor the Barbados Defense Force has the authority to arrest anybody, and beside the Ghanians have not been charged with anything so why can’t they leave Paragon>

  44. J

    The silence of the Christian Church in this matter frightens me. Is the Christian Church comfortable with what is happening? Does not Scripture teach how we must treat the “strangers within our gates? ” Are we treating these strangers in a way that is compatible with Holy Scripture? I am an Anglican and I have not heard from Dr. Holder? I have not heard from the Catholic Church, nor from the Pentacostal church, not from the Salvation Army, nor from the Seventh Day Adventists, nor from any of the others. What has happened? Are we so comfortable in our pews that we have forgotten how Scripture COMMANDS us to treat strangers? Nothing in Scripture about rounding them up and sending them home.

    Why is the the government surprised that most of the Africans are not coming forward. The ones who have come forward are in de facto armed military detention. If coming forward would lead to your being detained in a military camp surrounded by fences and armed soldiers , would you come forward? We may still have faith in our government, but the Africans have already lost faith. There is no way all will come forward, some WILL remain as undocumented immigrants and form families with Barbadian women. The Barbados Constitution gives Barbadian women (and men) the right to marry whom they wish. I mean Barbadians go to the U.K., the U.S. and Canada and overstay their holiday or student visas, and marry British, and Americans and Canadians in order to “get their stay” now that the shoe is on the other foot we are acting all surprised, when we well know that most of us have relatives or friends who went on holiday or to study and did not come back for years and years until they were “straightened out” If I was younger I might marry one of the Ghanians myself. Some may well make refugees claims which our courts will have to hear. Actually I am surprised that none have yet made refugee claims.

    Stupse!!!!!!!!!!

    I can’t believe that Bajans behaving so.

    The white people laughing at we again.

    Anybody knows how many British people are currently here who should have left after their 2 weeks in the sun were up. Anybody looking to round them up and send them home.

    Stupseee!!!!!!!!!!!!

  45. lighthearted

    Oh dear. There goes the mad bloggers again. Jumping on poor Chris Sinckler. You guys seem to be having lots of fun. But clearly, rather than taking time to properly study the issue you let the alarmist at BFP put you all in a frenzy over nothing at all.

    Now surely there must be something to the fact that BFP and some of you guys lambast the Nation as being sub-standard and lacking ini true journalistic integrity on the one hand yet are very keen on the other to take everything you see in print as gospel. Of course not stopping to consider whether they got it right from the minister, never stopping to check facts – nothing – just bring out the sledge hammers and kill the poor minister.

    Well i am not here to defend politicians they can do that for themselves but i also do my thinking and research for my self. And you know what i have found out that quite a bit of what Sinckler said is in fact true and there is even more that he could and should have said to make his point. Well that is if he in fact did not say it, cause with the Nation and other media houses you never know.

    Firstly I had a listen to a tape of what the minister did say in part and he never said that the government was going to stop people in Barbados from dialoguing on the subject. What he did say was that government was making every effort to have an amicable resolution of the situation and making the Ghanains comfortable but that these efforts were being undermined by “people who should know better, some of whom are oficers of the court, issuing unnessarily inflamatory and DEMOGOGIC statements” which can serve to potentially incite civil disobedience among the stranded visitor. He went on to say that the government will continance or tolerate actions of this type which serve only to make a bad situation worse.

    Sinckler never said that the government was trying to stop any dialogue in Barbados. Come on you think he could be that stupid. That boy is too smart to make such a foolish statement. The fact is that the press release which went out from David Comissiong and previous efforts by he and others to encourge the Africans not to turn themselves in has been clearly in defience of government efforts to deal witha situation this young government did not start but will have to finish. And of course they only serve to tarnish the reputation of Barbados. But of course the people at BFP dont care about the reputation of Barbados only on spouting demogogic statements.

    Then there is the issue of the “special type of aircraft” that Sinckler refered to and so many of you have been dupred into believing cannot be true or have any sense to it.

    Well i did some investigating myself – you know that think some of you guys hate to do – and i found out some very interesting things.

    Have any of you THOMASES ever heard of “ETOPS CERTIFIED AIRCRAFT”. Well it means aircraft that is specially certified for “long-haul over water flying”. Now i understand that while many aircraft like the ones you quote can attempt and maybe even make the trip from Barbados to Ghana (about 8-9 hours at least) they are not ETOPS certified and so would not be passed viable to do such a trip by international authorities.

    So hmmm! that would mean that you do have to look for a “special type aircraft” that is ETOPS certified to do the trip. Wow Could Sinckler actually be right and BFP bloggers be wrong? Nah impossible!

    Now as i understand it they are serveral companies out there who use these aircraft. But i also discovered that many of them actually lease them from generally the same sources at you guess it VERY HIGH COSTS” since of course it is afterall a “special type of certified aircraft” Hmmm. that boy Sinckler again. I also thought i over heard somewhere in the press that Ghana Airways leased the aircraft from Icelandic Air who incidentally have leased it out again to another client and therefore not longer have it available. Now given that they are not that many of these specially certified type aircraft it should not be difficult to imagine that it would cost a bit to sercure one especially to fly empty one way.

    Now is it not also fair to imagine that given the nature of the aircraft and the costs asscociate with owning one that the people who rent these things would have had most of them booked out to clients weeks, months perhaps even years in advance. Surely if i owned one i would not be sitting around waiting on a Barbados – Ghana situation to arise to lease out my expensive plane i would be booking my plane lone in advance. You cannot pay for a plane that is sitting idle can you? And if someone were to come to me at short notice i would have to lick my chops and charge them a little extra for the emergency. Would’nt you ?

    So while i have my doubts about the million US dollars Sinckler is quoted a saying it might costs i can imagine a price of not much less than half million US all told including fees and so forth. That would mean about a million Barbados and that is probably what Sinckler meant to say. But i canot read his mind.

    Finally, to BFP bloggers a few things to ponder.

    1. If the ghana goverment was so keen to get back its nationals why have they not been able to get a plane. Could it be that they too are running into the same problems Barbados is?

    2. If it were possible to return the visitors through a third country would the government not have done that already?

    3. Do you know that every time a deportee of a country is transiting through a third country permission to land him is required and if fact can be refused? Have the British agreed to let Barbados send them through there? have the French, Germans, Brazilians? Check it out.

    4. Do you also know that when transporting a deportee that person must be accompanied by at least on and in most cases two security of immigration officers right up to the destination.? And that would be for every one of the Africans being sent back provided you got permission to transit them.

    5. What prey tell me would be the final costs of moving all those persons 90 i believe with a max of two officers per man. that owuld be 180 the least and 270 the max. So if we take that a ticket from here to africa is at least 3,000 us and possibly more and multiple that by 270 you get about 810,000 US DOLLARS which is not from of the 1 million US POOR STUPID SINCKLER WAS talking about. WOW! imagine that. Could it be that he might have been right about the thing causing Barbados close to 2 million dollars Barbados in a worse case scenario? HMMMMMM! BFP.

    5. should i even bother with number 5. Well just a little. Now what do think would be going through the people at Virgin Airlines mine for them to yank one of their aircraft providing they have them to least a barabdos government to fly from europe to here empty and then to Ghana half full? You really think that they would charge 250,000 US for that. Now if you believe that foolishness from BFP really you will believe anything. And then did you know that even if that were possible that the aircraft would have to get a, here we go again, special type of flying rights called “seventh freedom” rights to fly the route cause it is neither a Barbadian nor Ghanaian craft” lol. Wow. This matter is so simple why is it taking the government so damn long to resolve.

    Look lets just get an aircraft from our friends at BFP since they seem think that it is that easy. Maybe then they could call Stupid Sinckler and tell oh here it is bring the africans and come. Of course while they are at it they could get the Global African Congress guys to tell them where they are hiding some of the fellows.

  46. BFP

    Well gosh, Lighthearted, it seems that your moderator this morning is Robert, who just happens to hold a type-rating on 727s and a number of other interesting flying machines including Gooneys.

    ETOPS applies only to twin engined aircraft and as we say is short for “Engines Turn or Passengers Swim”.

    Virgin was offering a 747, thank you, and as of yesterday at 4:25pm was still ready willing and able.

    The Prime Minister himself said that nobody is being deported. This is just a late return flight, so I don’t know what you’re going on about the escort required nonsense.

    As to the 7th rights, that’s easy. Have Ghana charter the aircraft and we pay for it up front. Money is what this is all about, son.

    Maybe you need some good ‘ole boys to kick some ass over at the Ministry and put half of you fellows out on the street and see how you’d survive.

    Because you’d last about five minutes in my organisation.

  47. BFP

    Say… aren’t you Ministry types the same idiots who approved the Ghana charter in the first place when anybody with a lick ‘o common sense knew what it was all about?

  48. Zachary

    GreenBB – I’m now catching up on these posts. Yours about the concorde is absolutely hilarious and tickled me greatly! Nice to start the morning with a good laugh. I’ll be grinning all day. Lol.

  49. Rumplestilskin

    Lighthearted ”Now i understand that while many aircraft like the ones you quote can attempt and maybe even make the trip from Barbados to Ghana (about 8-9 hours at least) they are not ETOPS certified and so would not be passed viable to do such a trip by international authorities”

    Hmm. I remember being on a ‘standard’ British Airways commerical flight a number of years back and the trip took just under twelve hours, Gatwick to Antigua, because we hit a big storm.

    I cannot remember the refuelling plane coming alongside, I guess that is because…gee whiz, none did!

    So your ‘9 hours at least’ is not very extreme.

    Peace.

  50. lighthearted

    clearly BFP is knocked out the water. produce the proof that Virgin offered the Barbados government a plane to get the people back. Bring proof BFP of shut up and find some other issue to kick around. And for the others because you an aircraft flew for 12 hours does not mean it flew entirely over water. Indeed because an aircraft can fly the distance over water does not mean that it is certified to do so.

    Equally if the africans dont present themselves for transportation back the government will have to deport them right and that would me having to faciltate their movement through a third country if a plane cannot be found. Putting them on a regular aircraft unaccompanied through a third country is just not going to be possible.

    So clearly the Minister is not as stupid as you guys think he is.

  51. BFP

    Lighthearted…

    Did Prime Minister Thompson lie then when he said they would not be deported?

    As for Virgin, phone them up yourself. Ask to speak to flight ops director Matthew Lee. He has lots of African experience. Some of his chaps were also talking about doing the charter through their Virgin Nigeria subsidiary.

    Truly… give Matt a call. He and Virgin would probably love to help big time and get the contract just for the publicity value.

  52. lighthearted

    thats not for me tell that to the government. let them call

  53. BFP

    But lighthearted…

    You are the government, aren’t you?

  54. Donald Duck, Esq

    Can anyone help me find the throne speech on the web. Why aren’t any of thompson’s speeches not on the dlp web site nor the government’s. Are they all not worth publishing?

  55. I am a Nigerian

    I am sure if a plane is arrange to take us back, a lot of people ( that came in with the GIA) will come out to board on the the plane. We just dont want a situation we our freedom wil be seized or denied.

    As for me, i am still in the city now and i am over 100% ready to catch up with the plane back home.

  56. I am a Nigerian

    but thank God 10am to 6 pmfreedom is now been permitted , i bet you all, there are many more who will come out to the immigration department now , even i will also surface.

  57. WITH GOD

    Thanks for the little freedom of movement

  58. lighthearted

    nope. just a normal citizen wanting you to be fair and balance

  59. Tell me Why

    John, sorry for the delay in responding to your worries about my first problem.

    I am saying that by giving away these houses, the disadvantaged would be unable to pay high rents associated with the newer NHC houses. It would be better to keep these units and assist the present tenants in uplifting themselves by offering affordable loans to them. This give-away action will start a new set of homeless poor since the $35.00 per week will now be $90.00 to $100.00 per week.

  60. J

    Nobody has anything against Foreign Minister Sinkler. I believe that he is a good guy and sharp as a tack too. But honestly he seems out to sea without a paddle on this one. Maybe Chrissy needs an ETOPS certified airplane to help him out of this one. Anyway I looked at the front page of the Nation this morning and I glad to see that the Africans can walk ’bout during the day just like normal Bajans. That’s good. I am not entirely comfortable this Sunday afternoon, but feeling just a little bit better about being a Bajan. Government should grant the Africans a one, two or three month extension until the details of the flight home are worked out. Each African should be required to present to Immigration with a Bajan guarantor which can be an individual, a church or an NGO. The guarantor would provide name, address, phone number, work place and bank statement to Immigration. The guarantor would agree if necessary to provide the necessities of life for the Africans and to bring them to the airport when the plane arrives. However the Africans should be encouraged to work if they can find work while the details are being worked out. That way once the flight comes some of them would be able to pay their own way home or at least make a part payment because the government can and should charge the Africans for the flight home. The government would agree to give wide public notice of the time of arrival of the plane. The Bajan guarantor would undertake to take the Africans to the airport. If the Bajan guarantors don’t live up to thier part of the bargain at least Immigration would know where to start looking. But this foolish talk of rounding them up.

    You all old enough to remember these 2 words:

    “WINSTON HALL”

    How long did it take the RBFP and the BDF to catch Hall? 14 years I think to catch one man. And even so they only catch ‘e dead.

    Now Barbados is a tourist destination. We do not want to catch our visitors at the point of a gun. And we most ceratinly do NOT want to catch them DEAD. If we did catch them dead imagine how that would play in the British press, the same place from which much of our tourist income doth come. The truth is the the RBPF only catch people because the people choose not to run nor hide from the good men and women of the RBPF. The only way to get the Africans home is VOLUNTARILY. Anthing else will be a public relations disaster. And we are a tourist destination. We CANNOT afford a public relations disaster. So we got to play nicey, nicey, real nicey, ’cause we need the tourist dollars.

  61. Donald Duck, Esq

    Does anyone realise how much the NHC is losing in giving away accommodation to over 2,000 persons. If we assume that each unit cost say $50,000 then that amounts to $100 million.

    This is a $100 million less in assets tht the NHC has to offer as security when raising further financing

  62. John

    DDE

    … guess they will have to resort to BOLT contracts or some other creative way of financing loans.

  63. Sister Baby

    Look Surinam Airways has a big 747 that carry all the Ghana people home nonstop to Accra from Bridgetown. Just call them up and ask to charter the jet. I am in shock that this problem is still festering in your lovely country. You should fire your Mr. Sealy for this blunder. You all must be really hard up for African contact that you promoting yourself in Africa, when you have us Guyanese just down the road. I am sure if the once Guyana Airways with its one old jet operation had stranded Guyanese there you would have found a way to return us, even if it was via some out of the way place. So do the same with the people from Ghana.

  64. PiedPiper

    J: You clearly are an intelligent person and I agree with many of the things you have said but then you spoil it by falling back on the old race card. I can assure you that as a non-national (with a work permit) who lived in Barbados for over five years, the immigratin department was very much on the heels of U.K. tourists who had overstayed their welcome. I know personally of many who were taken back to their residences to pack and then escorted to GAIA and put on the next available flight home.

  65. Jerome Hinds

    Donald Duck, Esq
    April 21, 2008 at 2:30 am
    Does anyone realise how much the NHC is losing in giving away accommodation to over 2,000 persons. If we assume that each unit cost say $50,000 then that amounts to $100 million.

    This is a $100 million less in assets tht the NHC has to offer as security when raising further financing
    ********************************************

    You are always QUACKING…..without the facts !

    How do you mean giving away ?

    The tenants have to pay the legal costs……and in many instances several of those units are worth less than $ 30,000.00 .

    Additionally the NHC no longer have to divert resources to maintain these units….in an environment where funds are short due to arrears and bad planning by the BLP government.

    But here is the real rub…..instead of paying attention to the housing needs of it citizens and repairing the homes of its NHC tenants….the last CORRUPT BLP administration in office spent :

    * $ 100 million on an office complex in WARRENS that now have severe cracks and a court case attracting $ 90 million in fees and mounting daily !

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  67. Tell Me Why

    How do you mean giving away ?
    The tenants have to pay the legal costs……and in many instances several of those units are worth less than $ 30,000.00 .

    Additionally the NHC no longer have to divert resources to maintain these units….in an environment where funds are short due to arrears and bad planning by the BLP government.
    ………………………………………………………………………………….
    Ain’t I glad to hear a Government representative. Jerome, John and I are wondering why the NHC will continue to the maintenance on these units after the purchases. That mean your the second paragraph in your above statement is totally wrong.

    Secondly, what do you not understand in the word “giveaway” If some one give you a car without collecting any money or any bartering or promissory note. That is plain and simple “giveaway”. Legal fees are just like paying insurance and road tax.

    Jerome, please let the blogging public know how the NHC will accommodate the marginal poor who can only afford to rent units for $35.00 to $50.00 weekly that you stupidly give way. Will you build houses like London Tower and rent them for the said $35.00? We await your qualified answers.

  68. Hants

    The people renting these units have been doing so for in some cases 20 years. To accept their rent in lieu of payment for the units is a good move.

    Government will have to build new rental housing for the very poor but that is what is expected.

    The culture of owning one’s home will help the children of those people who did not have the good fortune to inherit land or property.

  69. Hants

    http://www.nationnews.com/editorial/354225763961685.php

    THE MOORE THINGS CHANGE: Send them a banana!
    Published on: 4/20/08.

    by CARL MOORE

    Having read the above article, I am left to wonder how many professional journalist in Barbados have degrees in Journalism and how many learned on the job.

    Just interested to know.

  70. Tell me Why

    The people renting these units have been doing so for in some cases 20 years. To accept their rent in lieu of payment for the units is a good move.

    Government will have to build new rental housing for the very poor but that is what is expected.
    ………………………………………………………………………………….
    Empowerment of tenants by assisting them in cheaper loans would have been better. Are we going to see tenants from private homes insisting that they should also receive ‘free homes’? Tell me what type of units that Government will be able to build at $35.00 per month? Are you speaking of an all-in-one unit separated by a piece of cloth and an out-house? Come on, please Tell me why wunna give way de damn units in the first place. The first person who mentioned it was the same Hon. Chris Sinckler during a Special Brass Tacks section with Clyde Mascoll. The irony of matter is Michael Lashley was shadow minister of Housing at the time.

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  72. Tell me Why

    BFP. I realised that two of my articles disappeared.

  73. John

    Carl

    “And they signed their mischievous missives
    with cowardly noms de plume and eventually forgot about me, and I about them. ”

    We may forget about each other after reading each other’s thinking but it is the thinking expressed that neither you nor I can forget after our conversation on the blogs.

    … and that is what the Blogs do that no newspaper could ever do in paper form.

    They allow you and me to have a conversation with each other and come to realise the merits or faults in our thinking.

    Others look on and “listen” and decide if we are “talking” any sense.

    They can to contribute to the discussion and also end up discussing our ideas and adding their own.

    That is the magic of the blogs.

    They allow discussion where no one blogger can exert any pressure on the other because of physical presence or the ability to be articulate.

    If a blogger chooses to try to hog the show, there is moderation.

    Far more deadly and effective are the other bloggers in putting a hog on a blog in his or her place.

    To compare blogs with newspapers is to miss the whole point of the blogs … and their magic.

    I have written many letters to the press in my time.

    I got no satisfaction from any but every day I get satisfaction from reading or contribution to a discussion on this blog.

    I bet when newspapers first started accepting letters from John Public, that there were voices from established journalists who condemned the practice because John Public used the wrong grammar or punctuation or just could not use the King’s English properly.

    Those voices have long faded away just as English long since ceased being the property of any King, or Queen.

    Besides we don’t use any plume (pen) to write our mischievous missives, we use computers!! Comparing blogs with Newspapers is a waste of energy.

  74. Anon

    Just a couple quick questions.

    With these tenants owing approximately $200 Million Dollars in rent plus giving a approximately another $100 Million Dollars in housing would this then equate to a loss of approximately $300 Million Dollars for the NHC? Baring in mind that NHC owes the NIS over $7.5 Million dollars.

    What is going to happen to the rent owed by the tenants is the Government going to absorb these debts?

    How can you allow these people to go without paying their rents (some of whom can afford to have Direct TV, MCTV, the latest in Stereo equipment and jewellery) and still give them houses free of costs and let me say the legal fees would be minimal as they are only paying for the Conveyance (government as the Vendor would if they were not exempt be responsible for Property Transfer Tax)?

    To the economist out there how is this going impact on our economy?

    I agreed with the last Government in making the tenants pay for their homes some of which after maintenance was carried out only cost the homeowner anywhere from $5,000.00 to $25,000.00 and tell me where in Barbados can you get house and land for this price.

  75. Hants

    Tell me why…Your position on the NHC houses is strong, different from mine but still reasonable.

    However,I believe that the positive side to selling the houses for pre paid rent will help some people who are honest,hardworking and still would have difficulties with a loan.

    The properties should be treated as freehold units with the owners responsible for all utilities and maintenance.

    Replacement subsidised housing for the poor is the responsibility of Government as there is not enough profit for a “private developer”.

    On another topic, Carl Moore seems to have difficulty with people who understand the concept of freedom. No “Professional Journalist” can tell me what I can or cannot or should not read.

    I rather take “intellectual lashes” from “Tell me Why” and others who may disagree with me than read the blatantly partisan Mainstream Newsmedia of Barbados.

    Have any of you read anthing that resembles reasoned thinking with regards to the current crisis in Barbados?

    “Trained Economist” has contributed to this blog with logic that is yet to be forthcoming from the Professional Journalists.

    Barbados FREE press is a FREE blog. We will write whatever we like until somebody take away that FREEdom.

  76. Tell me Why

    How can you allow these people to go without paying their rents (some of whom can afford to have Direct TV, MCTV, the latest in Stereo equipment and jewellery) and still give them houses free of costs and let me say the legal fees would be minimal as they are only paying for the Conveyance (government as the Vendor would if they were not exempt be responsible for Property Transfer Tax)?
    ………………………………………………………………………………….
    Dese tings wid only happen bout hay. Next five years, the people wid receive the other NHC units free of cost as an election gimmick.

    How will the NHC compensate for such massive lost of revenue? Will the $60 million dollar loan pay for the rebuilding of lower income units?

    Will this open a can of worms for tenants to demand houses after renting for 20 years?

  77. J

    To PiedPiper: My apologies.

  78. J

    Housing is not just about housing. Housing is also about homes and families. If some of the NHC tenants have been living in a community fo 10 or more years and they like living there is is only fair to let them remain and to take the rents paid over the years into account, and to prohibit quick resales which would lead to profiteering. BUT any government still has some responsibility to house those who are too poor to buy or rent on the open market. So each government will have to continue to build new housing for the new poor. People are poor and can’t buy or rent on the open market for many reasons, loss of job, loss of health, loss of spouse, lack of a good education etc. If you lost your health or job or spouse today would you be able to keep your private house??

  79. Sah-Warrior

    This issue has been going on too long. Britain will be hard pressed to allow the Ghanaians through, they have had their taste of the bitter pill from the Nigerians.

    I want to take issue with the above posts of I am Nigerian. We might not be the brightest spot on the earth, but I think by now we would know how to treat people and believe that we have a good International affairs track record.

    If you all want people to believe that these Ghanaians are being mistreated, fine – but I believe that they would be detained and treated with dignity, mind you that we not running no hotel. If their intentions were for short term, from the time trouble start they should have notified authorities, not take jobs and then come with their arrogant attitude that we have to put them up at the Hilton and take them shopping in Bridgetown and find work for them. It is unscrupulous to be in a country illegally and then trying to make the host country look bad.

    They had already connected to the African network in Barbados, I would hate to believe it is Bajans who hiding them out.

    I am just a regular traveler and I know if anything go wrong to contact my consulate or go to the nearest immigration dept.

    Having said all of that. I strongly believe that those Ghanaians without the intention of ever going back and now they spitting on us. You think that is fair or right.

  80. Jerome Hinds

    Tell Me Why……..a progressive DLP have beaten you on this one !

    The homeowners of the NHC units are thrilled to the bits and there is nothing your corrupt BLP backside could do about it !

    Reginald Farley with 5 days before the last general election was busy giving away land to Hallam Nicholls in St. John while neglecting the plight of the NHC tenants !

    But the Bajan electorate fix wunnah……tiefing DOGS !

  81. Tell Me Why

    The homeowners of the NHC units are thrilled to the bits and there is nothing your corrupt BLP backside could do about it !
    …………………………………………………………………………………..
    Jerome, what about the up and coming poor who will be looking for units to rent under $50.00? Will you place them in the over $100.00 per week units?

    Are you getting rid of the vulnerable poor and dealing with the middle and upper class tenants? We can see that you just love spinning, but the facts of this stupid decision will manifest itself with the high cost of living that is upon us. Tell me, what will be government’s alternative?

  82. Tell me Why

    The homeowners of the NHC units are thrilled to the bits and there is nothing your corrupt BLP backside could do about it !
    …………………………………………………………………………………..
    Jerome, what about the up and coming poor who will be looking for units to rent under $50.00? Will you place them in the over $100.00 per week units?

    Are you getting rid of the vulnerable poor and only dealing with middle and upper class tenants? We can see that you just love spinning, but the facts of this stupid decision will manifest itself when the high cost of living is upon us. Tell me, what will be government’s alternative?

  83. Jack Bowman

    This whole story stinks of fishiness. In every other country where I’ve ever lived (and I’ve lived in several), the press would have been all over the story like a cheap suit. I mean, really, all over it.

    There would have been front-page articles in all the newspapers, in which investigative journalists would have detailed their efforts to get a clarification from the minister about why the aircraft had to be so “special”, about why it was going to cost such a ludicrous amount of money to repatriate the visitors, about how senior officials of the immigration service were made to answer hard and wholly justified questions.

    There would have been page after page of commentary about further hard questions that had ALL ACTUALLY BEEN ASKED of government officials. Journalists would have been on the phone seven days a week to determine, and then inform readers, whether the visitors had one-way tickets. If they had return tickets, can the visitors now sue the company that brought them here on the grounds of clear breach of contract? If a plane-load of mostly working-age men arrived with one-way tickets, why were they allowed into the country?

    You know … fairly basic stuff like that. And lots of it.

    Instead, readers are still treated to warmed-up corporate press releases and official pronouncements made at press conferences where, apparently, NOBODY ASKED AN ACTUAL QUESTION. Plus we get the always heart-warming and doubtless crucial investigative articles about some school’s prize day.

    The press in this country is so mind-bendingly tame and supine that it beggars belief. I have never, ever, seen anything quite like it.

    ************

    BFP says,

    Which is why you and most other Bajans read the blogs and are increasingly suspicious of the oldstream media.

  84. Jack Bowman

    BFP [responding to Jack Bowman] says:

    “Which is why you and most other Bajans read the blogs and are increasingly suspicious of the oldstream media.”

    ____________________________________

    In my own case, BFP, “increasingly suspicious” is putting it very, very mildly.

    The printed press in this country is, quite literally, an international embarrassment and a national disgrace.

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