UPDATED: DLP Commenter Wishing In Vain Banned From Barbados Free Press

UPDATED: Wishing In Vain Apologises, Will Be Given Another Chance

We have received an email from WIV offering an apology on one hand and saying he / she didn’t quite understand why they were banned.

Frankly, we went through the same thing a number of months ago with Wishing In Vain – which is another reason that we wonder about how many folks the DLP had/has writing under the moniker “Wishing In Vain”.

So… WIV, here’s the deal…

We don’t allow folks to call their political opponents or other folks homosexual or lesbian unless that person has come out of the closet themselves. No innuendo. No smart comments sliding in sideways. Nothing.

That is our rule, which you were cautioned on many months ago.

So… Wishing in Vain can return to Barbados Free Press.

You may come out of the corner now, if you agree to play nicely with your brothers and sisters!

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Original Article…

Our old friend “Wishing in Vain” has proven to be a valuable contributor to the public discussion here at BFP and at many other other blogs. He or she is obviously a well educated and well-connected DLP insider and we appreciate the part that WIV plays in contributing to the discussion.

During the past election we started to consider the possibility that WIV was more than just one person. There were slight differences in vocabulary and writing skill between some of WIV’s comments – but different moods and levels of sobriety could account for that.

What really set us to wondering was Wishing In Vain’s 24/7 presence on the blogs during the election. No matter which one of us BFPers was on duty, no matter the hour – WIV always seemed to be there too! Once we plotted WIV and they were online something like an average of every 1.6 hours for a 48 hour period (!)

BFP can do that because we have a few people available for spam around the clock… but it seems to us to be an incredible performance for a single individual.

Too incredible – but still possible, I guess.

But then there is the subject of this post.

Many times BFP moderators have cautioned Wishing In Vain that unsubstantiated comments about the sexual orientation of any person will not be tolerated on this blog. It is a part of Bajan politics that we don’t support and don’t allow at BFP.

Wishing in Vain has violated our rules so many times that we have lost count. Sometimes we don’t publish the comment or we edit out the offending passage. We have edited WIV’s comments so many times that we can’t remember – but no more.

Wishing in Vain also tries to “slip one in” on us every so often – not always, but infrequently enough that we don’t always notice – saying a foul thing in the middle of an otherwise reasoned and valuable comment. WIV did that again this morning.

So Wishing In Vain… we don’t know if you are one person or several, but the name “Wishing In Vain” is now banned from Barbados Free Press.

If you wish to resume using that name here, you must write an apology and a written promise that you will not violate the rules again.

Yours truly,

Marcus, Robert, Shona, Cliverton, George & Auntie Moses

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114 responses to “UPDATED: DLP Commenter Wishing In Vain Banned From Barbados Free Press

  1. DisneyWorldLover

    I am surprised that BFP banned Wishing In Vain. It is good to see you enforcing the rules on both sides Marcus.

  2. Hants

    I guess Barbados is still a homophobic society and Gays have to stay in the closet.

    WIV please apologise and promise not to violate the BFP rules of conduct.

    Your biting political commentary would be missed even though your party is in power.

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    BFP Says,

    Discussion of homosexuals and related issues on a societal basis is fine. Merely saying again and again that certain members of a political party are homosexuals is just nasty. WIV wouldn’t stop.

    Now he will.

  3. Tony Hall

    Yes WIV. If you violated the rules be a man or woman and apologise. Your contributions are valuable and it would be a pity if they were lost because of this. One has to be careful with what one writes.

  4. frankology

    I might be the only poster who constantly questioned the behaviour of Wishing in Vain. I keep asking how come and individual can be so privy to highly sensitive information and have it posted on the blogs. I did say that this unidentified person knowing things before the actual candidates.

    Now let me state with an unintimidated voicing that I realise that this “copy and paste’ expert was responsible for all the unfounded accusations, vile language and insults and embarrassing statement against public figures who are not aligned to the DLP. I was also concerned with the Oistins issue, the Roebuck Street issue, the election of Party leader issue and the Farm issue which were all started by the propagandalist WIV.

    We also have to check the “Anonymous” writer who I am sure is WIV or maybe the well known consultant.

  5. Bimbro

    I have to admit to reservation about banning anybody, for saying virtually, anything, except for obvious iniquities like promoting child-porn, etc!

    However, for disapproving of homosexuality!!!!

    Just does n’t chime to me with professions of ‘freedom of speech’!!!!

    Well, it’s your blog guys!!!!

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    BFP says,

    WIV is not banned for “disapproving” of homosexuality. He is banned for continually saying that certain politicians ARE homosexual or that they “look” or “act” like a homosexual.

    We told him to cease and he did not.

    He has sent us a sort of apology and we will discuss it over a beer tonight.

  6. reality check

    he doesn’t need to use the moniker Wishing in Vain anymore in any event because the DLP is now
    elected.

    He does add a lot to the commentary and usually in a very constructive and informative manner.

    It is very hard for Barbadians of any ilk to apologise as they are hard headed and self-righteous. Getting down and dirty is more like Jerry Springer kind of theatre and doesn’t really empower us to be better.

    Nevertheless, may the new improved, politically correct, WIV step up and add to a better Barbados for all citizens.

  7. So what is this comment that cause you to banned WIV? I am not in favour of this, and will stay away in solidarity with WIV.

  8. ??

    Finally… that took a long time

  9. ca dear

    BFP bans itself from its own blog.. what will they think of next

  10. frankology

    Oh my, I was hoping to clobber him in a neutral corner with my constant logic. As I keep saying, a propagandist cannot perform when his party is in power since he is not a defensive player. That is why you are seeing lest of WIV, whilst his only contribution is of no substance lace with malice.

    Give him a break and let me force him into submission with my counter punches.

  11. North

    Inuendo about sex preferences is bad manners, but if WIV wants to stay away from BFP because like a spoiled little child he can’t have his way, then no loss.

    BFP can make any rules they want it is their blog. WIV broke those rules all the time and now he is banned. No loss

  12. cuhdear!

    by the way there are some folks who spend a ridiculous amount of time trolling and posting online and by ridiculous I mean it can appear they never sleep so maybe WIV was just one person.

  13. Jerome Hinds

    Well I am saddened at the fate that has befallen my COMRADE IN ARMS…..Wishing in Vain !

    Having been once BANNED from BFP as well…I take this opportunity to publicly appeal to my comrade to apologise ( a demonstration of GREAT LEADERSHIP )……….AND something that BLP
    ” TOOTHLESS WONDER ” who just demited office….failed to do several times .

    Wishing in Vain I look forward to your return to this BFP site………and hope that BFP recognises your contribution with the the conferment of a……KNIGHTHOOD !

    And WIV please send your FIRST invitation to that one from St. Michael North – West…….FRANKOLOGY !

  14. Hants

    North says “Inuendo about sex preferences is bad manners.”

    However we still need to be mindful of the fact that a politician’s sexual preference may impact on his or her voting on some issues.

    Take this example in Canada a few days ago for the purposes of discussion.

    “Smitherman blasts Health Canada on organ donations
    Updated Thu. Jan. 24 2008 2:36 PM ET

    The Canadian Press

    TORONTO — George Smitherman, the country’s only gay health minister, went on the attack Wednesday against an “offensive” Health Canada advisory penned by “wonky bureaucrats” that seeks to exclude homosexual men from becoming organ donors.”

  15. ninemikemike

    Hants – good point. The other thing to consider is that a politician puts him/herself forward for election, the electorate is entitled to know what sort of person they are voting for. If the candidate is gay, and purports to be heterosexual, that is deceit. If they are going to deceive us over their very persona, what else will they see fit to conceal from our view? If they are pretending to be something they are not, they are also open to blackmail at worst, being “lent on” at best.
    Let them be honest and open, after all no-one forces them to put themselves forward for public office.
    A very good example of this dilemma is the current Prime Minister in the UK who is widely believed to be gay, as are others in his Cabinet, some openly, some not. It is also believed that he got married at a very late age purely to foster the belief in the electorate that he was an ordinary family man, which is increasingly disbelieved, and sucks the moral standing from his (already failing) administration.
    The voters are entitled to know the truth about those who seek their support, and if politicians don’t feel able to honour this compact, they should seek employment in some other field where their private lives are not subject (rightly) to public scrutiny.

  16. North

    Smitherman is openly gay. The peoples WIV are calling homosexual may or may not be.

    big difference.

  17. Bajanboy

    BFP:

    I just noticed something. Whenever you search for anything to do with Barbados using Google, a link to one of your articles is one of the top links. This just shows how potentially influential this website is.

  18. Hants

    I am sure WIV can temper his “attacks” and keep his blogging at an intellectual level.

    The Griffiths,Trusses and some of the other BLPites will continue the backbiting for the next while.
    Right now they are focused on blaming Owen for their defeat.

    Time for Malik (the real one)to write another calypso.

  19. relentless homophobes

    “I am not in favour of this, and will stay away in solidarity with WIV”

    Another undisciplined intolerant rabid homophobe holds his breath!

    Thanks Adrian

  20. ROBOT

    this sounds quite sporty to me

    is this an issue

    come on !

    gi’ me a break !

  21. Anon...

    Maybe the “rules” need to go down in writing before anyone gets banned? Just a thought…

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    BFP Says,

    Hello Anon,

    No set of rules will cover every eventuality. That is why we warned WIV perhaps 15 times to stop.

    He did not.

  22. sharky

    what is the problem with saying someone is gay.where is the freedom of speech

  23. sharky

    can someone tell me when the senators will be named.i,m looking for Mrs.Sandiford-Garner

  24. De Orginal

    Well there goes Frankology again in his weak attempts to sound like I discovered the light bulb.
    He too should be a candidate for banning . How dare he accuse some one of being a propagandalist (if there is such a word),when his sole aim is to discredit anyone who opposed the fallen Owen Arthur regime. As always in search of integrity,accountability and transparency.
    De Orginal

  25. Bajanboy

    No need to write that rule down. While anyone is free to disaprove with the gay lifestyle, to frame that disapproval in a hateful and spiteful manner is not acceptable. It is good that the BFP deals with these hatemongers in a decisive manner.

  26. De Orginal

    Frankology,

    try this word on for size propagandist

  27. Wishing in Vain

    Ladies and Gentlemen, I am still awaiting the email or publishing of what you consider the offensive comment, put it to print I really would love to see what has caused the furore, honestly I have no recall of what I posted that could be so offensive to you,then again I put many post out this morning at 3.00 am. On various subjects.

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    BFP says

    Hi WIV

    We are having a beer tonight and we will have a decision from us all tomorrow.

  28. Anonymous

    Wait, BFP – wanna ever heard about being careful not to cast the first stone?

    ..think carefully about this… I have looked at some of your articles about various persons – particularly political figures, (not to mention the CJ)…. tell me again where you get the moral right to judge WIV?……ohhh um is wanna blog nuh!!

    ..true- WIV has been hard-hitting and brutal in his comments sometimes – but nowhere as tough as you have been in many cases…when it comes to your pet subjects (Integrity and Mrs Juman etc)
    What is different with WIV except for the particular phobia?

    ….man exercise some forgiveness doo – either that or ban Robert too

    On the other hand you could ban WIV for

    1- Dominating your blog like um is his (let him start his own like Superlative1)

    2 – Ban him as redundant (The BLP done get beat)

    3 – Just block his posts quietly and let us think that he busy with the Government business…

    …but stop making a mountain of of a moldhill.

  29. Bajanboy

    This thread does raise an interesting point. Perhaps BFP should clearly identify what content is considered unacceptable.

  30. Anon...

    BFP…I understand what you are saying, but as Bajanboy pointed out above: BFP is at the top right now and evolving– many sites have an evolving set of rules (wait that could turn out like the US Tax Code, anyway…) Well you have to start somewhere…besides I have a feeling that soon BFP will become more than a sideline for all of you.

  31. Wishing in Vain

    Guys do not get your knickers in a twist here it is not the end of the world, life goes on.
    No worries one way or the other.

  32. Bajejun

    I don’t agree with the banning of WIV, sometimes he can be a bit redundant I will admit, but that is the diversities of this blog. BFP how comes WIV gets banned but these other with the most vile words and threats are allowed to continue with just a publication of their IP address, come on excercise fairness

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    BFP Says…

    Hi Bajejun,

    We don’t “allow” those foul comments to continue… they switch their IP numbers and return with threats to murder, etc. The police and Cable and Wireless have long ignored formal complaints about this from named victims.

  33. CoolMan

    Anon, the phrase is ‘a mountain out of a MOLEhill’

    Nevertheless, I can commisserate with your slip, due to all of the building and earth moving going on recently.

    But, on the subject of WIV’s banning, in terms of definition, are we talking ‘redundant’ as in ‘characterized by verbosity or unnecessary repetition’ or ‘having some unusual or extra part or feature’,which would imply his or her own ‘uniqueness’ that he /she refuses others, ‘superabundance or superfluity: lush, redundant vegetation’, which would imply an abundance of great import; or are we discussing engineering definitions of ‘having members designed to resist other than statically determined stresses’, which would be of great benefit in non-static situations i.e. situations involving much vigorous movement; ‘having excess or duplicate parts that can continue to perform in the event of malfunction ‘, again, quite an interesting concept; or even, in the way of linguistics “(for which some are believed to be very vigorous) the definition as predictable?

    Needless to say, such as predictability may be appropriate in assessing WIV’s contributions, the others, well…who knows?

    But, WIV’s is really keen to share knowledge and actually seems to have great insider knowledge of goings on, remember he /she told of the impending election date?

    So, is WIV really DLP or BLP?

    ‘If the cap fits’ may be an appropriate statement, but sometimes things are not what they seem….just possibly?

    As for WIV being a ‘propagandalist’ (cool word by the way), are we not all props for our own ‘agendas’?

    Are we not all here today for a short moment, to share our musings and what little cranial juices that we have?

    Should we not allow a fellow traveller to explode in creative escstasy, if such suits him/herself?

    Does life and indeed our writings not demand balance in allowing the good, bad and ugly?

    Or must we delineate critical lines of virtual behaviour to ensure conformism in our own minds?

    Should we, could we, must we seek conformity?

    Or should we let ideas perpetuate into nothingness, after a short read and a muse on these virtual writings?

    Who are we, who are you?

    Pardon my ramble, just felt like it.

    Enjoy, live well and prosper.

  34. Radiance

    Wuhloss, CoolMan.

    I LOVE it!

  35. Bajan to de Bone

    Murder Miss Parris I can hardly believe my eyes after months of some of the most vile attacks on people in public life without any real evidence somebody finally get ban.

    Well wunna is a day late and a dollar short, but then maybe not coz wunna slip aint showing it fall down ever since.

    Anyways I say thank the Lord. The foul air on BFP is already smelling sweeter with WIV’s absence. I hope this new found responsibility will extend to some of BFP’s own unsubstantiated posts about other of our fellow Bajans.

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    BFP says,

    “Unsubstantiated”?

    Like Gline Clarke building his house on expropriated land? Like Ronja Juman being dragged off in the night to be strip searched by the police over back rent? Like the President of the flyover builder 3S being sued for kickback fraud and the Nation News ignoring the story for two weeks?

    Those “unsubstantiated” stories?

  36. Anonymous

    So if a person is homo or gay don’t say so.

    This is the policy now?

    Who is going to protect our childeren from these predators and perverts?

    Or is it open season on our young ones? People in high places now have free reign to molest who ever they want because we can no longer call a spade a spade on this blog. Don’t name them is now in force.

    Wonderful. Welcome to homosexual paradise. I must post an Ad in the San Francisco Times inviting all Homosexuals down.

    Come on down, never get named.

    ***********************

    BFP says,

    Please give us your name and address and we’ll publish that you are a homosexual whether you are or not…

    Then we’ll see how you like people being named in public as homosexuals without a shred of reason to do so.

  37. Anonymous

    BFP:

    Fine,you banned WIV for calling someone gay.What were you trying to tell us when you portrayed the CJ in a Madonna outfit…that he can sing or dance?
    This pic was posted by you all for the world to see and yet you have the balls to ban someone for calling someone gay?
    You say you are christians but where have you ever heard of christians making a decision over a beer?
    You all sound like a bunch of hypocrites to me!!

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    BFP says

    Stupes… the CJ as a newly virginated madonna was political satire that had nothing to do with gay or not.

    But you know that already.

  38. Anonymous

    To Frankology:

    Gloating is not a very nice thing to do if I was in your position.

    Soon you will eat those words…..you come here and pretend to be neutral …yet still when you held that position at a certain lapdog media house,you towed the line.
    After they kicked your ass to the curb,you have suddenly found a neutral voice.

    What a tangle web we weave,when we conspire to deceive !!

  39. Anonymous

    Anonymous
    January 29, 2008 at 2:24 am
    BFP:

    Fine,you banned WIV for calling someone gay.What were you trying to tell us when you portrayed the CJ in a Madonna outfit…that he can sing or dance?
    This pic was posted by you all for the world to see and yet you have the balls to ban someone for calling someone gay?
    You say you are christians but where have you ever heard of christians making a decision over a beer?
    You all sound like a bunch of hypocrites to me!!

    Here here!

    *******

    BFP says

    Stupes… the CJ as a newly virginated madonna was political satire that had nothing to do with gay or not.

    But you know that already.

  40. formerly anon

    why do my comments needs moderation?

    tell me my crime?

  41. frankology

    De Original. Sorry for the word ‘propagandist’. Man should not be too big to apologise. Thanks my brother.

  42. frankology

    After they kicked your ass to the curb,you have suddenly found a neutral voice.

    What a tangle web we weave,when we conspire to deceive !!
    ………………………………………………………………………………….
    ….and you should be man enough to state you when before me. My demise was base on a take-over and I asking for my pay-out, so what is your problem again? Anyway, you are still my friend to the end, politics is just temporary, friendship should be everlasting, my gifted friend.

    By the way, Are you still interested in starting a new Newspaper as per our earlier discussion. Let’s go for it brother.

  43. frankology

    To BFP.
    WIV cannot be any different but to be WIV. That is his way of expression. Although we do lock horns constantly, he will be missed. I am man enough to beg you to give him a break and allow him to continue his partisan ways, at least we know that he have an underlying love for his party and it will not be FREE if he remains banned. Jerome, that ‘s what you call being neutral, but most of all being fair.

    Please do not drink too much beers and you become too intoxicated and unable to discuss this matter.

  44. formerly anon

    no warning and i was banned

  45. eureka

    BFP, you are the bosses and if we don’t play by your rules, then I cannot disagree with your decision if you pull the plug on anyone of us. Athough I am using an alias, I still do my utmost to be polite and respectful to other persons even if I disagree with their points of view.

    I must thank my late grandmother for bringing me and my brother up in this way; that even if we disagree with an individual, we should still exhibit civility to that individual simply because other people are going to diasagree with us from time to time and we would not like to be maltreated because another person didn’t see eye to eye with us.

    I would wish to commend BFP for setting a high standard of public discourse, notwithstanding that persons using this website are immune from litigation but in the final analysis, we must recognize that we are all in the same boat and when we seek to malign our opponent we wind up maligning ourselves for it is a fact that whatever we do, we do unto oursleves.

    It is like casting bread on the water and finding it after many days. To all fellow contributors to this website, let us endeavour to keep our language clean and above board.

  46. eureka

    This is a suggestion for BFP.

    I don’t know if you have the equipment to read an IP address but even if you don’t, you should still insist that all contributors to this website use a name and stick with that name, irrespective of whether its a pseudonym or not.

    Using the name Anonymous ought to be unacceptable given the fact that anybody can be Anonymous.
    I would strongly suggest to you that any person or persons using the title Anonymous, should be restricted from posting ipso facto.

    To give an example: when any contributor here responds to ‘eureka’, even though you don’t know who eureka is, you can form a mental picture about the character of the indivdual based on the way he writes. So that if anyone who was trying to be mischievous posted an article using the alias ‘eureka, when the real ‘eureka’ reads it, right away I, the real ‘eureka’ will challenge and refute it.

    But in the case of Anonymous, there could be several persons using that title and to respond to ‘Anonymous’ you really don’t know who you are responding to. I believe you can well imagine the confusion you are subjected to when you read the articles submitted by ‘Anonymous’ whereby all of them may seem to be at variance with each other because they would be the works of different individuals.

    The difference I refer to would be in the prose, the jargon or style of writing of the individual in question; for it is a fact that just like handwriting, many persons have a distinct style of writing.

    **************

    BFP says

    Hi eureka

    We think that is a good suggestion, we just don’t know how to implement it technically.

    Cliverton… can you try again please?

    thanks! 🙂

  47. Bimbro

    Well, boys, duh mus be someting wrong wid me cause I never read any ugh de man’s posts!!!!

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    ROBOT
    January 28, 2008 at 10:31 pm
    this sounds quite sporty to me

    is this an issue

    come on !

    gi’ me a break !

    *********************************

    I have to sympathise with, ROBOT. So, he ways, ‘somebody walks like a puff, talks like a puff, ..’, so what!! Am I the only person who does n’ t give a **** what WIV says, anyway, about, anything!!! Why is what HE says so important! As stated previously, I can’t specifically, recall reading ANY of his posts, probably because many of them were ‘so long-winded’!! Maybe you’re being over-sensitive about the importance of this guy’s posts – unless, of course, you’re worried about the possibility of being sued for defamation, which is a very different and legitimate, matter otherwise, you might be ‘making a moutain out of a mole-hill’!!

    BFP, you should n’t need to be reminded that your principal aim is the preservation and dissemination of free-speech. Unless, you’re worried about being sued I would have great, reservation about banning this person for this perceived, ‘offense’!!!!

    Regards!

  48. Bimbro

    eureka
    January 29, 2008 at 4:28 am
    This is a suggestion for BFP.

    I don’t know if you have the equipment to read an IP address but even if you don’t, you should still insist that all contributors to this website use a name and stick with that name, irrespective of whether its a pseudonym or not.

    *******************************

    I’m inclined to agree with ‘eureka’, on this one. I’ve often thought the same but could n’t be bothered to mention it. The use of the term, ‘Anonymous’ probably gives the user(s) the ability to be more disruptive to a forum than they deserve. In fact, I’ve often been surprised that, especially during the election maelstrom and considering the prominence which you’ve attributed to WIV’s references to homosexuality, you did n’t seek to do something about this, much more important subject, but thought, perhaps there was nothing which you could do! You know the technical workings of blogs, I don’t!

    Anyhow, I’m inclined to agree that the elimination of this ability might give clearer elucidation to the blogs and their messages, if the term ‘Anonymous’, was BANNED!!!!

  49. Dennis Jones

    Good to see you exercising firm editorial control. Freedom of speech always has its limits and if those are not respected then everyone needs to understand that there are no favourites.

  50. Straight talk

    DJ:

    Why does Freedom of Speech have to have limits?

    Who says so?

    What gives them the right to say so?

    Why do they say it?

    These controls need to be questioned and re-assessed.

  51. Bimbro

    Straight talk
    January 29, 2008 at 10:44 am
    DJ:

    Why does Freedom of Speech have to have limits?

    Who says so?

    What gives them the right to say so?

    Why do they say it?

    These controls need to be questioned and re-assessed.

    **************************************

    Very, well said, Straight Talk, & they’d be the first to complain about loss of ‘freedom of speech’!!!!

  52. Bimbro

    Some people just can’t bear to hear what might be said to them! That does n’t mean that it is n’t true, or plausible, and it’s certainly, no reason for banning it, because of their discomfiture!

    Free speech, must prevail. That IS, AND MUST BE, THE FIRST AND LAST RULE OF HAVING A DEMOCRACY!!!!

  53. Confused 888

    Freedom of speech has never been unlimited…
    Just like the freedom to move my hand stops when it becomes a threat to your body, the freedom of speech is limited when it can cause damage to others.

    there are sometimes when damaging things need to be said, but you need justification. Just like I’m justified in hitting you in self defence.

    No freedom or right is absolute, except maybe, the right to life… depending on how you define that.

  54. Bajanboy

    There is free speech then there is speech promoting hate. I am not sure exactly what WIV said to get banned this time.

    Let us say that it is common knowledge that one Minister is, but that has no bearing on their ability to do their job. You could argue that their sexuality might be incompatible from a moral standpoint from the moral views of their constituents, but that incompatibility is due to hatred and sterotypical bigotry, rather than any valid reason that would prevent them from performing in their job.

    ********************

    BFP Comments,

    Seeing as we are all talking about this on a “theoretical” basis – we at BFP do not prohibit such discussion as it applies to society, but when folks start talking about naming names with only the flimsiest reasons to do so, we prohibit it. It has been common in Bajan politics to say that an opponent is gay or lesbian just for the sake of saying it.

    To listen to the comments during election time, about 90% of the candidates were said to be homosexual!

    We are getting rid of that part of Bajan politics on this blog.

  55. ??

    WIV has abused the blog, they have compromised what little integrity this blog has left and I commend BFP on their action. However I would suggest that the ban be a limited sentence perhaps 5 years.

  56. Bimbro

    I, daresay, that some would have sought to prohibit the abolitionists from ever, even discussing the subject in the UK, all those years ago! Imagine if they’d succeeded!

    IF THERE’S ONE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD NOT NEED PERSUADING OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR FREE SPEECH, IT IS OURS!!!!

  57. Sister Baby

    You already have gay people coming to Barbados because Adrian said that a rich Canadian man came with his partner and could have stayed in any hotel in the country, but choose his hotel because it was near the place where people surf. Well those gays have a lot of money. Just look at how Michelle Duvalier got the Haitian tourism industry off its feet. She advertsed that Haiti welcomed them with opened arms.

  58. Adrian Loveridge

    Actually Sister Baby…

    Its was a wealthy businessMAN and his partner was a VERY beautiful LADY.

  59. Bajanboy

    Bimbro

    Well said. Blacks should not need to be reminded what it is like to struggle against hatred and intolerance.

    ********************

    BFP Says,

    Please… to equate not being able to name political opponents on this blog as being homosexual to the struggle against slavery is ABSURD.

  60. Hants

    Bajanboy says….”It is common knowledge that one female Minister is a lesbian,”

    I think you are wrong about that.

    ****************

    BFP Says,

    Hi hants,

    It has been a fixture of each election that political opponents are called out for being homosexual. Fighting an election that way makes us look very backwards in the eyes of the world.

  61. Sister Baby

    I am sorry Adrian, when I read partner I thought it was another man. So sorry.

  62. Sister Baby

    Why are you all so interested in people’s sexual orientation? Could it be that you are sodomites and just testing the blog to see if it is acceptable in Barbados!

    ******************

    BFP Says,

    Sister Baby,

    Barbados is well known for being against homosexuality – not as much as jamaica where people have been dragged from their homes by mobs and killed – but the island remains “against” homosexuality both in law and daily practice.

    Your comment makes no sense at all in a reasoned discussion.

  63. Hants

    BFP….What have you done? People who were quiet during the BLP administration making demands on de DEMS.

    “Barbados telecommunications sector analyst Hallam Hope is advising the new David Thompson administration not to wait for even 100 days to give more teeth to policies which would further open the sector to meaningful competition and lower prices to the consumer at the same time.”

    This fellow wont even give Thompy 100 days.

    ******************

    BFP Says,

    That’s fine, Hants. Bajans are intelligent enough to give and take when it comes to the government’s objectives and promises.

    The voices of those who were silent and complicit for 14 years of BLP abuses sound rather foolish right now, don’t they?

  64. 2 Cents

    I discovered this blog 11 months ago and have been a regular reader/commenter ever since then.

    I cannot recall a single statement ever made by WIV good, bad or indifferent.

    What I can recall with amazing clearity is the many articles with caricatures of Noel Lynch or Mia Mottley adorned with flavours of the opposite sex. Or pictures of Owen Arthur or other public figures doctored with highly inflammatory or suggestive adornments. And what about the tireless tirades laced with what some consider to be smear and defamatory language.

    My point here is two-fold

    1. You BFP has had a far more significant impact on me a reader/commenter than WIV

    2. Where is your credibility on this matter BFP.

    Blogs represents a community of individuals who are centrally managed. It is my opinion that any talk about banning someone for expressions of freedom of speech should be taken to the community for consensus.

    ****************

    BFP says,

    Firstly, political satire is one thing – naming people as homosexual is another.

    Yes, we put the Chief Justice as a new virgin a la madonna as political satire. It had nothing to do with suggesting he is a homosexual and you know it.

    Insofar as Mia and Noel go, you say we published… “caricatures of Noel Lynch or Mia Mottley adorned with flavours of the opposite sex”

    THAT IS A LIE.

    Please state right now the titles and dates of such caricatures because everything we ever published is still online. See the “Archives” on the sidebar? It contains everything we every published. Find what you are talking about and say it here because YOU ARE TELLING A LIE.

    Once again, our standard is that we do not allow folks to call political opponents as homosexuals. We never have.

    Don’t like it? Then start your own blog and name all the folks you want.

  65. 2 Cents

    It is not my intention to knowingly misrepresent the facts. You have thrown down a challenge. I will endeavour to present some references to support my comment.

    I am an above average PC user and have always had difficulty finding information on past posts.

    E.g. I just did a search on “Muscle Mary” and go “0 Found”.

    What did I do wrong?

    ******************

    BFP Says,

    You did nothing wrong. Although you have seen the term “muscle mary” used by a few commenters – including Wishing In Vain – when it was done we objected and removed the references… and cautioned or banned those who used that term.

    We NEVER used the term ourselves in our articles. NEVER.

    There are over 44,000 comments logged on Barbados Free Press. If we have missed one or two references to MM or such, that is possible – but if we are alerted to them we remove them.

    Please look through BFP for a few days and after… perhaps you’d like to reconsider your statements?

  66. anonlegal

    In BFP’s defence I have never seen caricatures of Noel Lynch or Mia Mottley adorned with flavours of the opposite sex posted on this site.

    However I do find it surprising that they banned someone from their website for posting an unsubstantiated accusation.

    Many unsubstantiated accusations have been made on this site about persons being racist, hiding witnesses in court cases, rigging juries and stealing money.

    Is it Okay to call someone a thief or a racist on flimsy evidence but against the rules to call someone gay on equally weak evidence?

    Why, all of a sudden do the moderators find it necessary to delete and ban someone for posting a comment that smears the reputation of another.

    Don’t get me wrong I agree with BFP moderators for moderating, However I found it out of character and, dare I say, a bit hypocritical.

    ******************

    BFP Says,

    We all have our standards anonlegal.

    Name that movie…

    “We’re both part of the same hypocrisy, senator, but never think it applies to my family.”

  67. Bimbro

    BFP Says,

    Sister Baby,

    Barbados is well known for being against homosexuality – not as much as jamaica where people have been dragged from their homes by mobs and killed – but the island remains “against” homosexuality both in law and daily practice.

    *******************************

    BFP, please tell us straight-up! Would you like Barbados to be a homosexuals-tolerant country or even to legalise, homosexuality?

    **********************

    BFP Replies,

    There are 6 of us here and there are 6 differing opinions on this issue. Perhaps we will do up an article in the near future for discussion. Auntie Moses would probably prefer the stoning as happened in the Old Testament. Me, I could care less about what two adults do in the privacy of their own home. George has an opinion somewhere in between.

    You know… the BFP family are like the rest of the nation when this subject is discussed in a serious manner – many opinions, some set in stone, some open to change.

  68. Bimbro

    You know… the BFP family are like the rest of the nation when this subject is discussed in a serious manner – many opinions, some set in stone, some open to change.

    *******************************

    Well, BFP, would it surprise u if I said, you did n’t give me the impression of ‘somebody’ who had ‘an- open- mind’ on this subject, rather one who wishes to see it legalised or legitimised!!

    How do u think I’ve got that impression!!!!

    ***********************

    BFP says

    Bimbro, we are six people here. It is very difficult to say “YOU” when talking about BFP.

  69. Bimbro

    BFP, I’m inclined to think you’re splitting-hairs, here!! “YOU” (BFP) DID ban, WIV!!!!

    **********

    BFP says,

    What is so difficult to understand, Bimbro? WE the big BFP have rules. And each one of us also have our own opinions.

    we’ll write more on this tonight, but right now I (me, Marcus) has to get the car repaired so I am off.

    ROBERT…. PLEASE do the article you are working on? tx M

  70. Bimbro

    BFP Says,

    Please… to equate not being able to name political opponents on this blog as being homosexual to the struggle against slavery is ABSURD.

    ********************************

    Tut, tut, disappointed in you, BFP! The principle of free-speech, is the same!!!!

  71. Jerome Hinds

    After reading the article below…….I am not surprised that ARCHCRIMINAL Mariano Browne is condoning the practice of persons UNWILLING to declare their assets !

    After all…..it was Mariano Browne who wrote those whopper of CHEQUES ( $ 755,000.00 ) to Owen Arthur and his cronies in May 2003…..just before the last General Election !

    http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161270708

  72. tstt

    An off the beaten path question. So what ever became of the Roy Morris case? Was it put back because of the election?

  73. ROBOT

    The voices of those who were silent and complicit for 14 years of BLP abuses sound rather foolish right now, don’t they?
    ———————————————–
    what 14 years of blp abuse

    i cannot believe that you are living in this country that was nearly completely destroyed between 1991–1994-the darkest period in the political and social history of barbados

    what are really talking about though ?
    man get real !

  74. ROBOT

    this banning thing is indication to me that there is some deep psychological desire to close down this blog–the objective having been achieved–

    there seems to be some latent desire to find an excuse to close down this blog and the genesis seems to present in this action which will evolved and escalate into some thing more concrete

    -this blog will probably not last another year
    and that would be quite regretable

    ***************

    BFP says,

    What a joker you are!

    When this blog’s goals are achieved we will close down… but that will be a few generations from now.

    Close down? Just watch us!

  75. Anonymous

    Robot says…..”between 1991–1994-the darkest period in the political and social history of barbados”

    That is a load of equine excrement.

    Those of us Bajans living in Canada and the USA at the time were wondering how little Barbados survived that period when thousands of people up here were losing homes and jobs.

    Some of us had to change careers to survive.

    I am not an Economist but the fact that the Barbados dollar did not get devalued suggest that someone did something right.

    BFP…you should start a thread documenting the cost over runs as they come to light.

    Today I heard of the Crab Hill Police station and the most incredible one…The $20million St.Leonards school which has taken 10 years to complete.

    More to come.

  76. Rumplestilskin

    Indeed. The important thing now it is that we have a chance for a new beginning.

    My request on another thread a few days ago for the PM to visit housing areas involved more than a ‘visit’.

    Such a thing would have been symbolic of a new start and consideration for the thousands of poor and middle class.

    One of the main and powerful tools of successfully changing a situation for the better is hope.

    Such a gesture would also have signalled hope that this new Government is carrying its promises into the first term.

    While the hope is there, public gestures and communication are necessary to solidify such promises and indicate intention in a way than just mere words.

    It is imperative that we take a new path right now, to both improve our society from a humitarian viewpoint in of itself and from a security and sustainability position of ensuring that our society stays away from the path of Jamaica and Trinidad, by ensuring that all Barbadians have a stake in tomorrow i.e. hope.

    Barbados can only go forward if no one is left behind.

    Peace.

  77. formerly anon

    “the fact that the Barbados dollar did not get devalued suggest that someone did something right”

    ————

    The great myth (or misunderstanding). That devaluation is something that happens to you. Something you prevent if you “stave it off”. Like its some kind of achievement if it does not happen.

    Devaluation is something that is chosen.

    In the context of Barbados, devaluation is changing the level of fixed exchange with the US dollar. Our currency is devalued and revalued against most other currencies everyday

  78. Warrior

    but the island remains “against” homosexuality both in law and daily practice.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I am yet to be persuaded to the truth of this statement.

  79. formerly anon

    I did not vote for the BLP at the last election so I am not an apologist for that Government. I am an economist so if you want an objective analysis of 1991-1994 period particlularly in respect of the value of the Barbados dollar I am happy to explain.

    Just gets a little tiresome, to keep hearing how we were “saved from devaluation”.

    Nonsense.

  80. Bimbro

    Barbados can only go forward if no one is left behind.

    Peace

    **************************

    Only a Bajan could have written this!!!! – by, Royal Rumple, above!!!! 🙂

  81. Bimbro

    Sorry, written by, ‘Rumplestilskin’!!!!

    dese names!!!! 🙂

  82. Bimbro

    formerly anon
    January 29, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    ************************

    Here’s another!!!! Laaadddddddddd!! 🙂

    But my favourite is my friend, ‘Little Boy’!!!! 🙂

    Brilliant!!!! 🙂

  83. Bimbro

    In the context of Barbados, devaluation is changing the level of fixed exchange with the US dollar. Our currency is devalued and revalued against most other currencies everyday

    ****************************

    ‘Thanks’, for the economics lesson, FA. Clearly, u think we needed it!!!!

    I’m not so, sure!! However, I think that Arthur would find it very, funny. Perhaps, he might even give us a reply, on here, and take the opportunity to answer one or two other questions!!!! 🙂

  84. Bimbro

    Warrior
    January 29, 2008 at 11:53 pm
    but the island remains “against” homosexuality both in law and daily practice.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I am yet to be persuaded to the truth of this statement.

    ***********************************

    Well, the folks at BFP are very, knowledgable!!

    So, is it true, then, BFP, at least in law????

  85. Bimbro

    formerly anon
    January 30, 2008 at 12:02 am
    I did not vote for the BLP at the last election so I am not an apologist for that Government. I am an economist so if you want an objective analysis of 1991-1994 period particlularly in respect of the value of the Barbados dollar I am happy to explain.

    Just gets a little tiresome, to keep hearing how we were “saved from devaluation”.

    Nonsense.

    **************************************

    Thanks for that swift, further reply, ‘formerly, anon’.

    Despite, poking a little fun at your name, I should seriously, like to read your analysis of events in Bim, at that time. I was n’t living there, then and would find it most interesting!!

    Also, did some studying of economics myself, years ago, so could empathise with your comments!

    So, please, ‘fire-away’, or provide us with a link to your previous, effort!!!!

  86. Rumplestilskin

    Now that all of the semantics are over, one more thing.

    What WIV is being banned for is not accusing others of homosexuality.

    It is the manner and nature of such accusations.

    I personally have nothing against WIV. But, one must bring a fair and non-virulent presentation to the board rather than vitriol, whomever is presenting.

    The mere accusation of homosexuality itself is not enough or irrelevant. Homosexuality is very much accepted in Barbados, particularly as compared to Jamaica.

    Such choice being rather evident on ‘both sides’ i.e. men and women choosing partners of the opposite sex.

    The difference thus far is that Barbadians have up until recently kept it ‘behind closed doors’.

    One would hear of many married men who had relations with other men and married women who had relations with other women.

    Only recently are people now becoming ‘public’ with this.

    Maybe this is still in the process of ‘coming out’ and still has a bit to go.

    But the ‘fact’ has and is there for all to see, any denial is hypocrisy.

    Such hypocrisy also is reflected in the ‘we do not want casinos’ and yet gambling is all pervasive, drinking is all pervasive, adolescent sex is all pervasive and mind altering drugs (significantly worse than gambling even) are all pervasive.

    We as Barbadians must first be honestly with ourselves and others and accept our issues before we be critical of others.

    I will never claim to be perfect nor to be a saint.

    BUT, I will AM honest about life and what I see around me.

    To deny issues does not eliminate such issues.

    To be critical and abusive of others without substantiation is unfair.

    But to deny that we have serious issues such as drink and drugs would be to be fooling ourselves and ‘wishing’ the matter away, which it will not.

    Peace.

  87. ROBOT

    wait a minute !
    people did not lose their jobs during 91 -94
    nobody lost their jobs ?
    nobody lost their homes ?
    nobody change careers
    nobody lost 8 % of their salaries ?
    nobody went mad because of the situation ?
    nobody resigned from the dlp ?
    the un-employment figure did not rise

    nothing happened during 91-94

    is this the short memory syndrome ?
    the dig your head in the sand manifestation ?

    gi’ me a break !

  88. ROBOT

    it is good to know that you have said that this blog will not close , at least intentionally
    i will hold you to that

    but please ease of calling someone names such as joker e t c

    there is no need for that

  89. ROBOT

    where is my post that was submitted just b4 the last one

  90. formerly anon
    January 29, 2008 at 11:53 pm
    Our currency is devalued and revalued against most other currencies everyday.
    ==================================

    True, our currency is devalued and revalued relative to other currencies, because the US dollar is devalued and revalued against most other currencies.

  91. rebranded

    Question: If homosexual is just another sexual orientation, and nothing is wrong with that, why would anyone get offended for being identified as homosexual? Getting all antsy over WIV’s homosexual comments only adds fuel to the fire that says homosexuality is offensive, bad, nasty, sick and downright wrong. So lighten up and let WIV be, I will certainly miss

  92. Confused 888

    If homosexual was treated as just another sexual orientation… but it is not treated like that, and WIV was capitalising on that attitude when he was making such comments.

  93. Jerome Hinds the LIAR

    Jerome Hinds,

    As always a top class liar and idiot.

    YOU SAID: “.I am not surprised that ARCHCRIMINAL Mariano Browne is condoning the practice of persons UNWILLING to declare their assets !”

    WHAT MARIANO BROWNE ACTUALLY SAID:

    http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161270708

    “Many people have expressed a “general reluctance” to serve on State boards because they find the extensive disclosure provisions of the Integrity in Public Life Act too intrusive, Minister in the Ministry of Finance Mariano Browne confirmed yesterday.

    “There is a long list of disclosure requirements and some people have said that they have a problem with that,” he said. He added that some board members had resigned and cited the Act as the reason, while other persons have expressed a reluctance to come on State boards. “It is an issue,” he conceded.”

  94. Hants

    Today’s Nation is worth reading especially Peter Wickham’s article. Also note the Editors comments.

    I did not believe things were so “oppressive” under the BLP even though the vicious attacks by Royalrumble might have been an indicator.

    With main stream journalist “muted” we should appreciate the efforts of blogs like BFP and BU.

    Now BFP will have a little competition because the mainstream media is now “free” under the DLP so they can rant,rave and misbehave journalistically.

  95. Bimbro

    But the ‘semantics’, are n’t over, Rumple. You’re still using those crazy, names!!!!

    **************************************

    One would hear of many married men who had relations with other men and married women who had relations with other women.

    ***************************

    Oh, my god!!!! I did n’t know dat Bim was so!!!!

    Laaddddddddddddddddd!!

    Three cheers for the remaining, NORMAL, Barbadians!!!!

  96. Roger Rabbitt

    Hants
    Old habits die hard. Don’t hold yuh breath.
    It will take a while for the local media to overcome inertia. However, we shall wait and see what we shall see, muh brudder.

  97. A "true" believer in BFP

    Now that the general election is over, it is now necessary to extinguish the character of Wishing In Vain. He has probably been called to higher service – (in a Ministry overlooking the constitution River perhaps?)

  98. Anonymous

    Perhaps WIV is well known by BFP and since he/she will now be playing a significant role in the new DLP Administration, BFP and WIV has agreed on an exit strategy. This surely must be the case because the reason given for banning him/her really is almost like Owen’s explanation about the cheque and Ezra Alleyne’s spin on what Owen meant when he said he did not want to see the DLP ever holding power again in Barbados. Nice try BPF. …and I would like to wish WIV all the very best as he/she or they work with the new administration. You were certainly a valuable and important source of information. I enjoyed most of your contributions.

  99. Anonymous

    Straight talk,
    I agree with you. Why does it matter whether a comment is posted by WIV or any other person. Since no one knows the really identity of participants it is the content of the posting that is important. Banning the use of the name Anonymous is not the solution. Someone will soon be calling for persons to use their real names…is’t that the ultimate of freedom of speech?

  100. Anonymous

    BFP says,

    Firstly, political satire is one thing – naming people as homosexual is another.

    Yes, we put the Chief Justice as a new virgin a la madonna as political satire. It had nothing to do with suggesting he is a homosexual and you know it.

    ____________________-
    Political satire or not there is no difference with you dressing up the CJ with a dress and someone calling Mia and Lynch homosexuals.

    ..do you really think that WIV or other really care whether or not they are banned? what will you really achieve?….Perhaps you should rebrand BFP and in the process make sure you are not doing anything to suggest you are no different than WIV..
    I hope I am not banned for expressing my point of view …but if I am…..so what? …there will always be another blog!

  101. Thistle

    In all fairness to BFP, WIV is not the only one who was banned by them. Remember T.D. Allamby/Porter, famous for his vulgarity and who eventually resorted to hundreds of aliases, and was caught out each time? And if you think he isn’t still around, think again, and carefully analyse some of the comments posted here and on BU. But he is extremely crafty and subtle. I kinda miss WIV, but I did not like his inuendos and lewd comments about a certain alleged gay lady. I don’t agree with the suggestion that his “disappearance” was contrived.

  102. Thistle

    How come my comment is awaiting moderation?

  103. Kathy

    I got the Madonna/Chief Justice picture and it was NOT about being called gay or transvestite. It was obviously about his suddenly being rebranded as separated from all political contamination, after a long, successful career in politics.

    I will agree that it was not a very flattering picture.

    **************

    BFP says,

    Chief Justice Simmons isn’t the only politician who wanted to become Like a Virgin again. Stay tuned, cause Shona is once more hard at work with photoshop! 😉

  104. nonsense

    Just a personal point. Can you stop slapping down Notes From The Margin please. Just because he/ she’s shown poor judgement before (e.g. listing then to his credit de-listing BFPE) doesn’t mean you should place him in the same bucket as the morons who threaten people on a regular basis. He’s critical but not vindictive and I reckon worth a shot. Just read a few of his posts – nothing like the crap from the others you have rightly banned. Just my opinion.

    *****************

    BFP says,

    The new “group” of blogs that NFTM is promoting is part and parcel of “exposed”. Anyone can see that, and marginal knows it. Yet, he still pushes blogs that he knows are run by the same persons who threaten death, arson and rape on different venues.

    It is as if the same character who does the threatening is allowed to post if he merely changes his name.

    Not good enough, and we are holding Marginal accountable for his “poor judgment” as you choose to put it.

    We think that the overall circumstances point to something other than “poor judgment”.

  105. Thistle

    BFP: Could you please tell me why my comment is still awaiting moderation? What was offensive in it?

    ********************

    BFP says,

    Because everybody bugged out today and nobody had a PC handy to approve your comment. I approved it a few minutes ago along with a few others that the computer filter grabbed.

    Sometimes everybody has to work or travel at the same time and nobody is available to moderate. We are usually able to give moderation service 24 hours a day, but when we don’t our readers start to wonder what’s happening.

    Just life, my friend. Just life!

  106. Sargeant

    BFP what’s the scoop about WIV? How many cases of beer did you consume while discussing his fate? Is the ban still in effect? I found some areas of disagreement in his posts and he kept repeating them ad nauseam but sometimes there were morsels of information. I say let him continue, what’s that jingle again ‘Variety is the spice of life”.

    ******************

    BFP Says,

    Hi Sargeant,

    Please read the Updated post above explaining that WIV apologised and he/she is now free to return – as long as they stop calling certain political opponents homosexual/lesbian etc.

    As to the amount of alcohol that we had to drink to come to that conclusion… that was only the first bottle of beer. The rest of the case was spent discussing whether or not the new government will be able to turn this ship around … momentum and all that.

  107. Anonymous

    you can still call people crooks (although not convicted) but no calling anyone gay unless out of the closet.

    no problem, got it

    ***********

    BFP says,

    Good. We’re glad you got it.

    Don’t like our rules and moderation policy? Fine… Go to http://www.wordpress.com and start your own blog in 10 minutes.

  108. Good morning to you and thank you for your kind consideration.

  109. It seems not to be as my comment is awaiting moderation.
    Thanks anyway.

    *************

    BFP says,

    Hi WIV,

    Welcome. “We” (er, I mean “I”) am guilty. I forgot to remove your name from the moderation list, but have done so now.

    Cliverton

  110. frankology

    Welcome back WIV. Ready for the debates?

  111. Bimbro

    BFP says,

    Hi WIV,

    Welcome. “We” (er, I mean “I”) am guilty. I forgot to remove your name from the moderation list, but have done so now.

    Cliverton

    **********************************

    Cliverton, ‘thank you’ for the honour of being on the ‘moderation-list’!!!!

    The others will be jealous!!!!

    Doan laugh!!!! 🙂

  112. Am I to assume it was unwillingly removed???
    I have to be careful what I say frankology, good afternoon maybe my limit!!!

  113. frankology

    Come on, you have a bigger heart than what you pretend to be displaying.

    Regardless of our difference in debating style, you still have a part to play in the dissemination of politics in Barbados, even if you give the blogs advance knowledge of our parliamentarians. So go for it laddie.

  114. TMS

    Don’t like our rules and moderation policy? Fine… Go to http://www.wordpress.com and start your own blog in 10 minutes.

    LOL