UPDATED: Thousands Of Muslims Call For Execution Of British Woman Teacher In Sudan – Allowed Students To Name Teddy Bear “Mohammed” After Classmate

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UPDATED: Thousands Of Muslims March – Call For Teacher’s Execution

November 30, 2007

Daily Express story Protesters Carrying Knives Say Execute Teddy Bear Teacher

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UPDATED: This story was updated after a reader pointed out that the teacher didn’t name the bear, her students did. We see that fundamentalist muslims are now calling for her execution.

Yup.

Gillian Gibbons Could Receive 40 Lashes, Six Months Jail

The British Government has summonsed the Sudanese ambassador to express its anger at the barbaric laws of Sudan – but the reality is that Westerners and especially women who take up employment in any Muslim country had better remember that the standards of behaviour are brutally enforced throughout that part of the world.

In this case a naive teacher allowed her student to name a class teddy bear after one of their classmates who has the same name as the Prophet of Islam, Mohammed.

You know Mohammed: the guy who had sex with his nine-year old child-wife.

Man having sex with a nine-year-old child wife – OK by Islam.

Woman teacher carelessly allowing the naming of a teddy bear after a 7 year old student – 40 lashes and 6 months jail.

Not living under Islamic law… Priceless!

Further Reading

Sky News: Teacher Charged In Sudan

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34 responses to “UPDATED: Thousands Of Muslims Call For Execution Of British Woman Teacher In Sudan – Allowed Students To Name Teddy Bear “Mohammed” After Classmate

  1. None

    Please note she did not name the bear, he asked her students what it should be named and THEY named it Mohammed after one of their classmates…Be careful with reporting…

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    BFP Comments

    THAnks, None.

    The story has been changed. Need more coffee!

    😉

  2. outsider

    Thank you for the paper edition to be given to friends who dont internet. Thoughtful people.

  3. Anonymous

    I’ve seen the print edition of BFP all over TRINIDAD and T&T people are laughing at us Bajans, down here! – talking about the gross BLP mismanagement!

  4. Anonymous

    Islam is soooo psychotic. Poor thing!

  5. Anonymous

    Trinis, laughing at Bajans? Surely you jest! Panday barely escaped a prison term, and crime, kidnapping and murder rates sky high. I don’t know if they have much to be smiling about, far less laughing!

  6. Um, Mohammed actually married his uncle’s widow and she was either 12 or 15 years his SENIOR – my glimpses at the Qu’ran are only cursory unfortunately

    He is also said to have found a cat on his robe and rather than disturb the cat he cut around the feline to retrieve his garment

    People interpret Marx, Alexander and even Jesus for their own ends too – their way of enforcing tents or ideas from these personalities may not be corret and should not be seen as endorsements of their followers!

    China & Russia treated Communism differently; Christianity had Crusades, Tim McVeigh and the Waco madman not long ago; Alexander’s inheritors of his Turk empire was quite different from his original vision – the instigators were not responsible for the descendants perverting the various causes

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    BFP writes…

    Hi Ian,

    Mohammed had many wives, but A’isha was 6 years old when he married her, and 9 years old when he consummated the marriage. In one Hadith we read that she was playing with dolls and had not yet reached puberty when the Prophet took her to his bed.

    If any of our Muslim friends and scholars would care to dispute the truth of these verses, they are welcome to do so here.

    ________________________________

    Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
    ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
    Narrated ‘Aisha:
    that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
    Narrated ‘Aisha:
    that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that ‘Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).” what you know of the Quran (by heart)’

    Sahih Bukhari 5.236.
    Narrated Hisham’s father:
    Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married ‘Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.

    Sahih Bukhari 5.234
    Narrated Aisha:
    The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, “Best wishes and Allah’s Blessing and a good luck.” Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

    And in another Hadith we read.

    Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 41, Number 4915, also Number 4916 and Number 4917
    Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin:
    The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. according to Bishr’s version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter.

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151
    Narrated ‘Aisha:
    I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah’s Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for ‘Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)

  7. From Muslim Hope Website

    Peace Be Upon You.

    From the Muslim Hope website:

    http://www.muslimhope.com/AishaNine.htm

    Numerous people have said that Mohammed had sex with his youngest wife, ‘Aisha, daughter of Abu Bakr, when he was about 53 and she was only nine years old. Some Muslims deny that. If somebody were to claim Mohammed and ‘Aisha had sex when she was nine, and they were wrong, that would be a serious slander against Mohammed. On the other hand, if it were true, that would show a very different side of Mohammed that would shock many. So is this accusation against Mohammed true or false?

    This paper will first give the evidence for A’isha being nine when her marriage was consummated, then raise 11 objections to this, and finally, ask what if each view were correct.

    This is important to a widely practiced but overlooked practice today: child brides in Muslim lands due to Mohammed’s example.

    In Iran as of June 2002 it is legal for a 9 year old girl to marry with her parents’ permission. Voices Behind the Veil p.136-137

    In the Ivory Coast this book also tells of a 12 year old girl who would leave the house for hours before returning home. After her father tied her up, burned her back with a piece of iron, locked her up for three days with no food, he eventually married her of to a 40-year old man. He never sent her to school because he said that it would drive them from their tradition, they would start asking questions, and not want to marry until they are 19 or 20.

    The Taliban encouraged families to marry off their daughters as young as eight years old. (Voices Behind the Veil p.110)

    The Dallas Morning News 9/28/03 p.1,10S had a story about the sad plight of Muslim Nigerian girls who were married very young, got pregnant and had labor before their small bodies were ready. It was actually somewhat of a gross story, basically of many girls who needed C-sections but did not get them. Many survived, but could not have any children due to their perforated uteruses.

    continued at the website

  8. reality check

    speaking of religion, there is an excellent article in keltruth.com this morning with respect to the the ramblings of an anonymous character on the BLP blog having a distinctive Nietzscke philosophical slant.

    “Nietzsche burns with hatred toward Christianity, and his atheistic writings are extremely vitriolic.”

    Barbadians with a strong christian background need to read this article to understand where some of their government supporters are taking them.

    You will no doubt recognize some of the same sentiments by the anonymous BLP supporter who keeps hitting the BFP site.

    Christians will need to get their act together
    soon and get out and vote.

  9. Yardbroom

    Thursday 29th November 2.40pm

    Gillian Gibbons found guilty on one of three counts of insulting religion:

    Sentenced to 15 days, will be deported to the UK.

  10. Just saw the update to this whole sorry tale. Poor woman now has to spend another 10 days in jail (sentenced to 15 days as Yardbroom said, minus the time she has already been in custody).

    As I heard someone say last night, this reads like a plot from a very bad novel. The Sudanese officials can’t seriously be right in their heads.

    Islam-West relations just took another blow…

  11. Kathy

    There is one positive outcome of this travesty – her deportation out of Sudan! I pity the poor, innocent people who have no choice but to live in Sudan under this type of regime.

  12. Anonymous

    Yes, hard to believe but yes Trini’s laughing at all-yuh Bajans, just as they’ve always done – poor “perfect” Barbados, now a member of CCDM
    Caribbean Club of Dire Mismanagement!

    Helloo-o-oo…even lil Antigua beat all-yuh to this global standing.

    Any way, all-yuh REACH, at long last!
    Welcome to de club.
    Major kudos to all-yuh!
    Enjoy de status while it last,nah!
    Coz after elections an yuh change the blp an dem, al-yuh get throw out de club. Doh dig, yuh know!

  13. Rebranded

    Glad the nice teach not getting any lashes. Islam is shameful, if she wasn\’t English and was one of their own ill-treated and indoctrinated slave women it would be licks in she backside.
    Have been studying Islam lately – conclusion: Islam is spawn of Satan and will give rise to AntiChrist, no more on that for now..
    Was From Muslim Hope etc trying to say that being legal made it right to sleep with nine, or twelve, or whatever year old child.

  14. cherry2enpowered

    So i have a question. If the name Mohammed is so revere why do muslims males adopt the said name. Isn’t that hypocritical?

  15. TheWatcher

    My comments on this situation are rather strong. So beware!

    I am not a basher of Muslims of Islam. Islam is a religion that just like christianity, can have it’s followers of every intensity. And those followers can range from those who practice what THEY choose to, to others who are what can be considered in “Western” terms as fanatics. I say western terms here because the criteria on which fanaticism is judged can vary from culture to culture.

    I do admire the strength of many of those who follow Islam and their willingness to die for what they believe in. Conversely I have to say that I haven’t met too many christians who are like-minded on this issue. So, this much said, let me go on to say what I really feel about some Islamic practices.

    When we “westerners” go to Islamic countries, we are expected to fall inline by hook or crook. They are some un-accepted practices that when caught, are punished to the fullest extent of Islamic law.

    An example of this is a man and woman caught in adultery. The man is usually whipped soundly while the woman is stoned to death!

    I do not agree with this. Mankind is inperfect by nature and cannot legislate morality. I do not care what system of religion you follow. I do not agree with the killing of the woman either. That action is a 50/50 on both participants. So why does the woman bear more of the punishment?

    However. If this is the way it is in Islamic nations, that is the way it is. We should not try to tell of influence them to behave within the limits of our beliefs. Which brings me to this point. ISLAM should NOT be allowed to prosper here in the West in the current form which it is allowed to. They are INTOLERANT of other beliefs and religions in the Eastern countries and Africa. We should extend that same “olive branch” to them in the West. And this goes for those practices which do not conform with western civilizations rules.

    Hence, no covered faces! If Muslim men think that a woman’s face should be covered to act as a deterrent to their horny men lusting, then they should consider becoming homosexual, or castration! Plain and simple!

    No overly long, gawky dresses. Or dresses and pants combined.( The reasons that I have heard for this are so dumb that an Alma-Parris student would puke if they heard it!: No disrespect to AP students intended either)

    Too many religions want to legislate (via doctrine) human sexuality. This is usually in the top 3 focus points of just about every main-stream religion you can encounter. I see a problem with this.

    Back to Islam.

    You cannot have a school exclusively for your children in our country. Your school will be open to all who met the criteria for enrollment and that criteria CANNOT and SHALL NOT be that they be Muslim or interested in becoming such.

    You shall not, or attempt to in ANY way disallow the union of a Muslim woman to a non-muslim man such that you take drastic measures to the point or death to prevent this union, while you simultaneously allow your man to run “rough-shod” through our population of women as they see fit based on your belief that you can do what you will to the “infidels”.

    We need an “open season” on these people when they contravene our laws because they believe that their religious laws, supercede ours.

    Remember now. We can feel the same way about their laws in their lands, but we dare not contravene them!

    Islam does not make Muslims any better than us just as Christianity does not make us better than them. It is simply in Rome, you do as the Romans do! Or you can leave Rome.

    Let me summerize this: Muslims here in the West and the West Indies, need to be brought inline with our society as much as they do to us when we enter their society. Flog this woman as much as you want. She has violated YOUR laws in YOUR society. But make one more mistake around here,with us and our laws and we’ll burn you at the stake!

    Simply put: it is not us, but YOU, who is the INFIDEL!

  16. Dear BFP,
    I read your comments on a short history of Mohammed’s nocturnal and sexual activities.
    you are correct. There are other books which the honest seeker of informatlon can read to have an indepth understandiing on the shifting and strange philosophies of the “Prophet”.

    What amazes me is that the followers of Islam in the West go to the extreme in lobbying to enforce their way of life on society. But in their own lands they are so tolerant that if you name your teddy Mohammed, its 40 lashes and the executioner’s rope.

  17. Straight talk

    Breaking News

    Mobs on the streets of Khartoum after Friday prayers, demanding the execution of Gillian Gibbons.

    Allah the merciful.

  18. Nat

    I am truely embarassed as a Muslim to see this case.
    But what also disappoints me is the media attention it is getting. Please all, remember, Islam has a following of over 1 billion people. These people have different backgrounds, ethnicities, values and traditions. There are EXTREME variations in the interpretation of this diverse faith. The media has chosen to focus on some very sad and terrible cases…just a few out of a billion. For some reason we never hear anything of the positive contributions made to the world by Muslims.
    Though it is tempting and very easy to quickly make judgements on the actions of a few- please try to engage in critical thinking and question the focus of media.
    One quick example would be
    http://www.akdn.org
    the Aga Khan- helping muslims and non Muslims all over the world in education, micro finance and health.
    Please take a moment to view.

  19. Straight talk

    Nat:

    I know each society has an embarassing lunatic fringe which disgraces the whole.

    One only has to read this blog’s diverse comments to confirm such.

    But these Sudanese are leaving pyayers.

    My question would be “What are the Imams teaching these people to have them leave the mosques so inflamed?
    Is it the mob or the clergy where the fault lies?

  20. Nat

    To be honest, BOTH!

    As I mentioned, there are hundreds of thousands of interpretations within Islam. Because it is so diverse, the religion is so commonly intertwined with politics, tradition and culture.

    Many Imams, especially those who tend to preech extremist ideas, are doing so for very political reasons and take advantage of the conditions of the people. Sadly, many followers in Muslim lands are in dire poverty, amidst war and highly uneducated. This is often where you will find real extremism. The clergy *(some) take certain verses out of context and try to influence the masses who are very frustrated. The result is people lashing out, in the name of their so-called religion. The people you see are unfortunetly very blind and uneducated- they do as they are told and follow without asking questions.

  21. Nat

    And sadly, we only seem to see this fringe of radicalism on tv and in the media.

    I went to Barbados once last year and plan on visiting again- From what I saw and what my bf *(who is Barbadian) told me, the Muslims stick to themselves. They don’t mingle or interact with the population. I found it rather sad to see they are not integrating at all into the society. This also contributes to misinformation and lack of discussion and dialogue between the Muslims and non-Muslims. I hope the Muslims of Barbados make more of an effort to mix, assimilate (while maintaining the principals of their religion) and to educate Barbadians. I guess a reason for their extremism is out of fear of losing their culture/values etc. I cannot agree with that as MY branch of Islam obliges us to integrate 100% into the society in which we are living in a very liberal way, while still maintaining Islamic ethics (which parallel greatly with other monolithic faiths, anyway)-

  22. Anonymous

    The London suicide bombers were neither uneducated nor poor. Why does reading the Koran inspire such violence?

  23. Straight talk

    Is there some underlying reason for this regrettable episode?

    It does seem strange to me that a well meaning British schoolteacher, and the naming of a teddy bear should make global news headlines.

    It has echoes of the earlier Iranian “kidnap” of Royal Navy sailors.

    Sudan, ostracised by the U.S. as a sponsor of terrorism, has turned for protection to our new friends the People’s Liberation Army of China to defend their development of the oilfields of Darfur and southern Sudan.

    In the murky world of geo-politics and the ongoing race for oil security, these incidents may be part of a pretext preparing the West for intervention in Darfur, possibly using the humanitarian argument of preventing genocide, with other economic goals being the true driving force.

    It is sometimes wiser to take a step back from the emotive issue of the day to take in the wider picture.

  24. i have 100% evidence islam is a false religion

    read here for de proof
    http://www.kadriwalcottonline.com/blog/?p=20

    i wonder how much uh wunna know bout de hezbollah schools dat teach jihad, some textbooks are under investigation in de usa, and pakistan president eliminating dum cruel, i dont feel no religion with such evil practices should be kept in countries except those which are of such as in state. in edda words, muslims shud remain in de middle east, thats why i love dictatorship.

    yea and we got 2 islamic schools in buhbadus, blame owen fuh dat too, dont mind he is my mainman

  25. wunna need to search de net for english translations of de quran, there are many and read them yaself, u will see why islam is of war and violence, many leaders who authorize de practices in foreign countries and buhbadus never researched islam, do de research wunna self, even check out my blog fuh mo information

    http://www.kadriwalcottonline.com/blog

  26. Hard Wood!

    Anonymous
    November 29, 2007 at 12:40 pm

    I’ve seen the print edition of BFP all over TRINIDAD and T&T people are laughing at us Bajans, down here! – talking about the gross BLP mismanagement!

    ……………………………………

    Oh really? So how come NOBODY in Trinidad has seen it or is talking about it?

    You people need to brush up on your stupid lies.

    You won’t even find a BFP print edition anywhere in BARBADOS!

  27. Hard Wood!

    Nat,

    “I went to Barbados once last year and plan on visiting again- From what I saw and what my bf *(who is Barbadian) told me, the Muslims stick to themselves. They don’t mingle or interact with the population. I found it rather sad to see they are not integrating at all into the society.”

    ………………………………………………………………………….

    You simply don’t have a clue about Bajan society.

    The people who you visually identify as Muslims are a minority in Barbados. They have no reason to INTEGRATE into mainstream Bajan society and become something other than what they are.

    Secondly, they certainly DO mingle and interact with the “population” (and I would also point out that they are part of the population). I don’t know where the hell you come from, but one of the greatest freedoms in Barbados is that no-one here is FORCED to behave like everyone else or to conform to any codes. There are lots of black Bajans who don’t mix with every black Bajan Tom, Dick and Harry, and there are also lots of wh.i.te Bajans who don’t mix with every wh.i.te Bajan Tom, Dick and Harry. Those same “Muslims” as you call them are some of the same ones who come to our homes every week as a “coolie man” (which is a BAJAN term with it’s own meaning which is not the same as in some other Caribbean countries) and into whose stores on Swan St., High St. and Roebuck St. thousands of Bajans go to shop and some also to work. There are a number of the same “Muslims” also working in offices all across Barbados alongside black colleagues. And all my life I have seen their children going to school alongside black and wh.i.te Bajan children.

    You should pass beside one of these same Muslims, particularly one of the veiled women, and though they can also speak in a foreign tongue, you can sometimes also hear some very pure Bajan dialect coming out of their mouths. So where did they get that from?

    Finally, I will say to you that Islam is a religion, not a skin colour, and there are quite a number of BLACK BAJAN MUSLIMS in Barbados too.

  28. nat

    Hardwood:
    I do apologize to have drawn conclusions as I did…See it is very easy to judge others. I was merely making observations based on what I saw. Though I know MANY Bajans in Canada who always tell me that Muslims in Barbados live in segregated pockets.
    I agree with parts of what you said but I think you are painting a VERY rosey picture in regards to relations between Muslims and non-Muslims in BIM. It is clear from this blog and the comments that there is a disconnect! Yes, they may work side by side and do business (as they must)…but do the two groups socialize? Engage in conversation and healthy discourse? Of course they don’t HAVE to integrate but I think the lack of social interaction creates an ‘us’ and ‘them’ attitude, does it not? Don’t you agree that there IS a problem just by reading this blog (Kadris website)? If it isn’t lack of interaction and discourse, what is it?

    Kadri:
    There are many verses in the Old Testement which if taken out of context can seem very violent and hateful as well. I wish you would sit down with a educated Muslim and bring up you concerns- debate and discuss, perhaps then you would get a more accurate view of Islam.

    Anonymous:
    The London Bombers were from immigrant families- many of them live in pockets of ghettos and slums in England. Same is what is going on with African immigrant children in France right now. They feel infringed and discriminated against. Don’t tell me that that doesn’t exist. They were very sensitive to falling for the bullshit of the extremist Imams. Frustration makes people to funny things..

  29. Green Monkey

    Straight talk said:

    In the murky world of geo-politics and the ongoing race for oil security, these incidents may be part of a pretext preparing the West for intervention in Darfur, possibly using the humanitarian argument of preventing genocide, with other economic goals being the true driving force.

    It is sometimes wiser to take a step back from the emotive issue of the day to take in the wider picture.

    Good point. We know (well a few of us do), for example, that historically the US had no problem intentionally stirring up radical Islamic fundamentalism in the Muslim world when their foreign policy required it to counter the Soviet influence in Afghanistan.

    You might recall shocked reports in the Western media of the atrocious, jihad preaching, anti-foreigner text books filled with pictures of bombs and guns etc. used in Afghanistan’s schools by the Talibanian evil-d0ers to indoctrinate their young men in the way of jihad and hatred of non-Muslims.

    Turns out, as reported (but only once) by the Washington Post, those same text books were created and shipped to Afghanistan with funding from, and the active help of, the US government. Just google the following “Jihad schoolbook scandal” and you can read all about it. You’d never hear about it from watching CNN or Fox News, that’s for sure.

  30. NAT, i for one have read both quran and bible, i know what i am speaking of, have you ever read the quran?

    secondly which religion believes in slaughtering those who do not accept islam?

    nat do some research on how the quran was written, and history on islam, and see for yourself, its true that islam is the fastest growing religion, but i am sure u can find many turning from islam

    and nat, show me a part of the bible which promote violence or the slaying of anyone except for those who commit abominations against God and his creation bring me some proof then i will show u more that 100 parts of the quran that promote jihad and slaying of non muslims or those who refuse to accept islam

    note too, their proclaimed prophet killed more than 600 people with his sword who refused to accept islam

    i ready when u are lady, i research on many things u may just think about and i go deeper than any core, and yes i have islamic people i chat with online from india and iran, u will be surprised if only u do some research urself to see what will show, i bet u int even know de catholic church also responsible for many christian slayings as well, bet u int know what hitler did was legal too, hmmm, thats why its called research and homework.

  31. Nat

    As a Muslim, I HAVE read the Quran, thanks Kadri.

    As an educated Muslim, I am VERY aware in regards to the History of Islam and of course I know it is the fastest growing religion in the world- for a reason.

    In regards to killing- anybody can take verses out of context. The important thing is to understand what was going on in a historical context with each verse. Also to understand the meaning of the entire chapter, not just one verse.

    Ok Kadri, so chatting with ‘ISLAMIC’ people, who by the way are called Muslims, makes you an expert? Also, does it allow you to promote such dangerous ideas?

    And I don’t quite understand your last point- but I hope it means what I think it does. Just like Islam has its share of bad apples, and sad instances, so does the Catholic Church and all religions. Why? The religions aren’t flawed….its the people who are flawed.

    ********************************

    BFP Comments

    Nat, when contemporary groups of vicious Nuns, Baptists and Seventh Day Adventists highjack and murder planeloads of families on their way to Disneyland, or blow themselves up in the London tube – and their actions are supported by millions of Christians worldwide – your idea of equivalency of religiously-inspired violence might get some traction.

    Until then, Muslims had better start some introspection about what it is in their religion that inspires so MANY to violence.

  32. yes i believe you, people do have a way of painting a good picture of anything, i int stupid and many people who read the quran and muslims who switched to christianity know wa i talking bout, i wont argue with you, i will post some videos about female muslims confessions who moved from islam, also i will post many quotes from de quran on my blog for people to see, i dont believe in reading one line and giving my interpretation, ya gotta read a whole chapter sometimes to see wa gine on.

    but anyways, even so, any religion who promote death and murder of innocent people because of disbelief cannot be of GOD, if god is so merciful, he will allow us to make our own judgements, he is most powerful, which mean he would never in a generation want man whom he created who is mortal to take lives of others bcos of some religious doctrine? think about it lady

    i int pointing fingers to islam alone, we all know de catholics killed many christians too in de 1800’s which is known as de dark ages.

    remember bcos u have a qualification or experience does not mean u know or really understand, otherwise the world would be a different place simply because people dont listen to de little man who int qualified or experienced de wuk, look at liz fuh example.

    check my blog tru out the week for further details as from today, i will give 100% proof islam is false, then i gine onto other religions who brainwashing people.

    proof is what i have

  33. Nat

    BFP:
    How can you say Christians have never slaughtered or hurt innocent people? Crusades? Dark ages? Catholics in Ireland etc. It is funny how the media and society doesn’t label all Catholic priests as child molesters and all black people as criminals.Why not? Because we know the actions on SOME should not reflect on the whole.

    Extracts of Quranic Verses

    “Spread peace and feed the hungry, then you will enter the Garden of your Lord peacefully.”

    Feeding the hungry is necessary for a Muslim. God and the Prophet (peace be upon him) urged Muslims to share whatever little they have to the extent that if a Muslim has a date, he must share it.

    Even a mere discussion with the People of the Book (Christians and Jews) should be conducted with the best of manners. God says in The Qur’an:

    “And do not dispute with the People of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God are One, and to Him do we submit.” (al-‘Ankaboot 29/46)

    The principle of forgiveness in case of retaliation for a crime afflicted upon a person, is strongly emphasized in the following Qur’anic verse:

    “The recompense of an ill-deed is an ill the like thereof. But whosoever forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is from Allah. Indeed, He loves not wrong-doers.” (ash-Shoora 42/40)

    The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) elaborated on the saying of God. He said:

    “Indeed your Lord is One, and your father is one, so there is no virtue for an Arab over a non-Arab, or for a non-Arab over an Arab, nor for a white over a black, or for a black over white except by piety.”[6]

    From all of these Godly injunctions, we learn that Muslims must be militarily powerful; however, they should not be aggressors. God, The Exalted, The Wise, banned Muslims from being aggressors. However, He allowed them to wage a war of self-defense. He says in The Qur’an:

    “And fight in the way of God with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits; surely God does not love those who exceed the limits.” (al-Baqarah 2/190)

    And trust me, I know about radicals in Islam. I know they exist and they do get a disproportionate amount of attention in the Media too. I am from a very liberal sect in Islam which is constantly persecuted by many extremists. They do not allow us to pray freely or express our religion in many Islamic states- however, I do know that these people are misinterpreting MY Islam…the religion of peace and love.

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    The Shia you don’t hear about
    By ANTHONY MANSUETO
    Special to the Star-Telegram
    http://www.star- telegram. com/245/story/ 161794.html
    Wednesday marks the Golden Jubilee of His Highness Prince Karim Aga Khan IV, global leader of the Shia Ismaili Muslim community.

    At a time when the news is dominated by sectarian conflicts between Sunni and Shia Muslims in Iraq, the jubilee offers an opportunity to learn about a very different, little-known but quietly powerful current within Islam.

    Like the vast majority of Iranians and a significant majority of Iraqis, the Ismailis are part of the Shia branch of Islam. Shiism emerged from an early dispute about leadership in the ummah, or Islamic community.

    The Sunni argued that the caliph, the successor of the prophet Muhammad, should be elected. The Shia argued that succession should remain within the direct line of the prophet’s closest relatives.

    But this division also reflected profound differences regarding the nature of leadership within the Islamic community. The Sunnis, stressing Islam’s historic emphasis on effective political engagement, opted for caliphs who were primarily political and military leaders; the Shia looked for leaders known for wisdom and spirituality.

    Eventually the Shia themselves divided. The vast majority (those we hear most about in Iran and Iraq) believe there was an unbroken line of 12 imams — the last of whom, Muhammad ibn Hasan ibn Ali, was born in 868 and was hidden by God in 939 rather than dying. Twelver, or Imami, Shia believe that he eventually will return to usher in a reign of justice.

    The Ismailis trace their own leadership from the seventh imam, Isma’il bin Jafar (721-755), and believe that the law, embodied in the Quran and the sayings and practices of Muhammad, is accompanied by a mystical teaching passed from one imam to the next. The current Aga Khan, who as a 20-year-old in 1957 succeeded his grandfather, is the 49th hereditary imam of the Shia Ismailis.

    The Ismailis’ belief in a deeper, mystical approach to the faith meant that they played an important role in the intellectual history not only of Islam but also, indirectly, of Europe.

    Ismailis were crucial in translating the Greek texts of Plato and Aristotle, which were lost to Western Europe, into Arabic. It was in this language that most were passed on, via Jewish translators in Muslim Spain, to Christian Europe.

    Ibn Sina (980-1037), known in the West as Avicenna, came from an Ismaili family. His text on medicine was used not only in the Islamic world but also in the West up until the 17th century, and his philosophy profoundly influenced that of Thomas Aquinas and thus the whole Roman Catholic tradition.

    Ismailis established the great university of al-Azhar — one of the world’s oldest, dating from 971 — and effectively built the city of Cairo, Egypt.

    Important beneficiaries of Ismaili patronage include the mathematicians al-Haytham and Nasir al-Din Tusi and the poet and philosopher Nasir e-Khusraw. Although I am not an Ismaili, I have an unusual connection to the Ismaili tradition.

    My family comes originally from Sicily, an island that has known many conquerors — most of them brutal exploiters. But the era of the Ismaili Fatimids, who governed Sicily for much of the 10th and 11th centuries from their capital at Cairo, was Sicily’s golden age. Agriculture, commerce, the arts, the sciences and philosophy flourished.

    Today, the Ismailis are but a small minority of Muslims, numbering about 20 million out of roughly 1.4 billion Muslims and 120 million Shia worldwide, but their presence continues to be felt.

    They are concentrated mostly in Central Asia, western China, parts of the Middle East, India, Pakistan and sub-Saharan Africa, as well as the United States, Canada and Western Europe. They are actively engaged in the struggle for social justice and human development.

    They work locally, through active participation in civic institutions, and globally, through the Aga Khan Development Network.

    The network is involved in an extraordinary range of activities from disaster relief, basic healthcare, rural development, microfinance and the promotion of private enterprise to architecture, culture and the revitalization of historic cities.

    The organization operates more than 200 health centers, including nine hospitals, in Afghanistan, India, Kenya, Pakistan and Tanzania.

    It is at the forefront of disaster relief efforts worldwide, focusing its humanitarian efforts on long-term capacity building. The network has been involved in microlending for more than 25 years — long before it became popular — and currently has a portfolio of more than $52 million in outstanding loans to more than 97,000 people in 12 countries. This is in addition to more traditional economic development projects involving more than 90 companies employing more than 30,000 people and generating more than $1.5 billion in revenue annually.

    The network’s education programs encompass more than 300 schools with 54,000 students across East Africa and South and Central Asia — most of which emphasize education for girls and women and focus on academic rigor and leadership development — as well as two universities: the University of Central Asia with campuses in the Kyrgyz Republic, Kazakhstan and Tajikistan and the Aga Khan University in Karachi, Pakistan.

    One project especially dear to me is the Aga Khan Humanities Project, which developed an undergraduate humanities curriculum for Central Asian universities that tapped into and helped conserve local traditions while preparing students to engage a broader intellectual universe.

    All of the network’s hospitals, schools, development projects and humanitarian assistance programs are open to people of all faiths and origins.

    The tension between Islam and the West reflects deep-seated economic, political and cultural contradictions. But when one looks at the Ismailis and understands their history, and their current contributions to human development and civilization, it becomes clear that relations between Islam and the West cannot be summed up simply as a clash of civilizations.

    We have learned too much from Islam — and much of that with the assistance of the Ismailis.

    Islam — and especially the Ismailis — has engaged and learned from the West. Let us make this century not one of new crusades but rather one of dialogue and collaboration in healing and building up our common home, the Earth. Let it be the time when we make it a true house of peace.

    Anthony Mansueto holds a Ph. D. in religion and society from the Graduate Theological Union in Berkeley, Calif. He is dean of communications and humanities at the Spring Creek Campus of Collin College in Plano.