Gardin’ Barbados Democracy Asks “Why Doesn’t The DLP Support Graeme Hall National Park?

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37 responses to “Gardin’ Barbados Democracy Asks “Why Doesn’t The DLP Support Graeme Hall National Park?

  1. Pogo

    Create park for future
    generations=
    1. showing Barbados has class, and
    2. maturity before the world

    Pave over park/build waterpark and condos for instant profit=
    1.disgusting greed, and
    2. a confirmation that no one in power in Barbados deserves a legacy of caring and thoughtful government

    Politicians, it is up to you.

  2. Thistle

    I have asked the question what do the DLP intend to do about Graeme Hall over on their blog, and have been met with a stony silence.

  3. reality check

    Clico has 10 acres in the proposed National Park

    What do you think DT is going to do?

  4. RedCent

    Maybe they’ll reduce the price of a 25 lb. cylinder of bottled propane gas.
    I bought one last night
    for the shocking price of Bds. $ 31.01

    ((WHY the .01 ??))

  5. Anonymous

    How do we start a brand new Gov’t.?
    Just say no to B.L.P.
    Just say no to D.L.P.
    Just say NO to P.E.P.
    (more of the same opportunistic krap!)

  6. Marcus2

    You guys are really clutching at straws.

  7. Yam P][e

    so wat is the DlPs view on the park?
    that wud make for a very interesting discussion, I bet they have the same views, or even worse..
    wudn’t want to cut their highly dependent clico sponsors, now would they ?

  8. softman

    In terms of democracy, I am amazed that this parliamentary term can to end without the St. Joseph hospital report being laid. I hope the opposition raises a stink about this.

  9. Pride of Barbados

    Softman,
    David Thompson has been talking about it on the political platform at the recent spate of meetings. You can access the videos of these meetings by going to the DLP website.

  10. softman

    I would like to see this issue become a point of contention in parliament. Where the opposition puts the government on the spot to either publish the report or face a walkout /boycott of parliament.

  11. Wishing in Vain

    Updated Comment by Wishing In Vain…

    It would seem to me that if Mr ESAF see thru Owing Arthur where honest (now that is a big ask) with himself he would set an election date and let the people decide and get a move on in this country, right now all that is happening is that the island is on auto pilot while we drift along, there needs to be some soul searching and the only way that will take place is with the announcement of a date for elections to be held.

    Then once and for all we may get some responses to the questions we have been asking like are the Chinese here legally or illegally ?

    Who collected payments for the awarding of the prison contract and who did the sloppy work on the tender for the prison contract ?

    Who is the one working behind the scenes with the flyover project is there the name Bannister and Nicholls involved here as well ?

    Who are the local partners of the company that was formed to deal with the importation of the 2,500 slot machines that Nicholls and Owing own ?

    Where did over $ 300 million go with Edutech was it to any of Mottleys good friends in the business ? Was there any action taken with regard to the over costing on that bath that was built by Liz Thompson’s husband ?

    How many more cheques have their been like the one that Owing deposited to his personal bank account to the tune of $750,000.00 ?

    Any other underhand land deals that are on the cards now that these same gang of crooks are involved with ?

    The Ministry of Health when will the finally decide to fire Jerome Walcott and get the health of this country back on track ?

    The Ministry of Tourism ??? do we have a few days to expound on this fiasco, or should we just wait and see that the figures after the CWC fiasco will be worst arrival figures on record because with these unreasonable and high airfares the traditional summer tourist will not be flying but we must all remember this was our finest hour ?

    Or are we about to hear what really is the matter with regard to that Gov’t building at Newton that has been building for at least 5 to 6 years now what is the real story there ?

    What did we the taxpayers pay for the construction of the storage facility built by VECO and how many others tendered on this project my guess is this was the only one allowed to quote ?

  12. Royalrumble

    The report on the St. Joseph Hospital is incomplete and this is due mainly to the fact that up to now no one in the DLP is willing to release the information on the whereabouts of the files that were taken from the Law Courts.

    A number of files critical to the St. Joseph Hospital inquiry were instructed by the last DLP Government to be taken from the Courts by members of the Defence Force and has not been seen since.

    If there is to be closer in this matter those files would have to be returned. It is as simple as that.

  13. more

    RR what the he11 you talking? How come we only now hearing this crap?
    Are you talking nonsense again or can you prove what you are saying?

  14. distraction

    Is RR trying to distract us from a bigger issue i.e. BS&T/Allan Fields??!!

  15. Wishing in Vain

    What a load of bull from royal idiot the silly report has been laid with the Govenor General some years ago but the lovely group of gangsters we have as a gov’t have not seen it fit to release it to the public, the inquiry did the job that it was intended to do and that was to discredit Mr Taitt but there was no real benefit to them any longer to reveal the results of the inquiry hence it has sat collecting dust.
    Royal idiot you should be ashamed of yourself for spreading lies and untruths as you have, you are dishonest like your party of gangsters.

  16. softman

    The information so far is that the report has in fact been laid. Is that incorrect? Surely the government must release it to the public.

  17. J. Payne

    The DLP and the BLP are really almost two of the same party. They are infavour of almost the same things…… Barbados needs a new party.

    I think it all starts in puting together a party manifesto. Then a party constitution to spell out what will and what wont be tolerated in the new party. Then you put up some candidates in every constituency that the BLP/DLP are running in. As long as those party members get the most seats in their constituency then guess what? The party has a house in the parliament and can start to bring justice for the people back to this system.

  18. cat eyes

    Please! Please! Enough of the innacuracies. Stephen Lashley, DLP candidate, was at the forefront in the Greame Hall issue and has publicly given voice to the issue. He even offered his legal services free of cost to the residents of Graeme Hall. How could this site carry comments to the contrary when it would have carried Lashley’s contributions a few short months ago?
    If files were missing how can RR explain the completion of the report? And the fact that the GG has it? RR aka Sylvan Greenidge aka turncoat Dem is one of the most confused human beings we have ever had the misfortune to read.

  19. Pride of Barbados

    Cat Eyes:

    Thank you for giving us that information on the DLP take on Graeme Hall. It is heartening. You won’t read anything good about the DLP on this blog. It’s mostly negative.

  20. comment

    Cat Eyes,

    I heard Mr. Lashley and others in the DLP speak out against the waterpark and for the National Park but just a few DLP members speaking out cannot speak for the whole party.

    The leader must speak out too.

  21. cat eyes

    Comment you are nitpicking. A government always has spokespersons. The leader does not speak on everything; likewise, the Dems have spokespersons too.

  22. comment

    Cat Eyes,

    The Prime Minister has final responsibility for Town Planning so the others in the party can talk until they are blue and make no difference at all.

    Now that is nitpicking at its best.

  23. WHAT?

    “The leader does not speak on everything”

    Cat Eyes, where are you living? Since when does the leader, the PM, not speak on everything? Now-a-days he always has the last say on EVERYTHING!!

    Tell me I lie?

  24. cat eyes

    What?
    I must have missed it, but what is the PM’s last word on the Chinese labourers in Bim who have no work permits? His last word on the misquote of the rebuilding of the prison – the “mixup” with quoting BDS$100m that the new AG says is really 100 pounds sterling or US$150? The PM and Minister of Finance knows that the currency of the realm is Barbados dollars and that all quotes for government spending must be quoted in the currency of the realm. Unless of course the remaining real estate on the island has been bought by Warren Buffett and he hasn’t told us yet…

  25. The Issue of Graeme Hall has been spoken to by several members of the Democratic Labour Party. As recent as the 17th of June Mr. Stephen Lashley gave quite a lenghty presentation on the Grame Hall Issue. A week before that Mr. Ronald Jones speaking in Parliament was able to elicit from the Minister of the Environment that Graeme Hall was declared a Ramsat site and therefore falls under the convention which governs such site.

    The DLP has not been silent on this matter. To suggest to the contrary is to create an issue for the DLP. The Graeme Hall site must be protected and should not be opened to major man made projects.

    The Government is the one whose feet should be held to the fire for their silence and inaction. The Democratic Labour Party supports green spaces in Barbados, the protection of wetlands, open windows to the sea, the safeguarding of our gullies and protection of our last remaining indigenous forests. This is the beginning of the process of fashioning a holistic policy on the environment. Everything cannot be achieved in a day. Furthermore the Leader of the DLP has placed confidence in the persons who speak to these issues as they affect our people and the environment.

    On another issue. Royalrumble is again a stranger to the truth. Mr. Jerome Walcott has the St. Joseph Hospital Report in his possession. He has been known to flash it about in parliament from time to time. Royalrumble is a purveyor of mis-truths and blatant propaganda, but he has to eat, so forgive him.

    ********************

    BFP Comments…

    Hey… nice words DLP, but let us clearly hear you (the party) declare…

    “Graeme Hall National Park should be declared as per the proposal”

    Well….

    We’re waiting!

  26. Pride of Barbados

    Thank you very much for that, DLP. I can now breathe a sigh of relief, especially learning that Graeme Hall has been declared a Ramsat site.

    *******************

    BFP replies…

    Graeme Hall Nature Sanctuary was declared a RAMSAT site, but this is but a fraction of the land of the proposed Graeme Hall National Park.

    The DLP can’t have it both ways. Is the DLP FOR the Graeme Hall National Park as per the proposal or AGAINST?

    Huh?

    Whatsay?

  27. Am I not right in recollecting that although Graeme Hall Nature Sancturary was declared a RAMSAT site, the Government of Barbados has never ratified the treaty? (AND THEREFORE HAS NO OBLIGATION TO HONOUR IT)

    I seem to recall this being disclosed from a year ago at the time of the Town Hall Meetings. Can anyone verify this?

  28. Wishing in Vain

    We now have it a very reliable source that the report is available for the public viewing but not this gov’t this is not about to happen.

  29. Yardbroom

    DLP
    Permit me to address you since you are on the blog now, in recent weeks members of the Government -even Ministers – and their supporters have started to refer to some members of your party as losers, because they have lost an election before or failed to gain high office at a previous attempt/attempts.

    This nonsense should be dismissed out of hand, not because of a wish for it not to be true, but due to objective evidence supporting its lack of credibility. Let us examine political precedent.

    Nelson Mandella was acquitted of treason in 1961, but was given a life sentence in 1964 on charges of sabotage and plotting to overthrow the Government. Did he give up, did he consider himself a loser, no he did not he came back after a long term of imprisonment to take over the ANC and lead his people to a resounding victory in the election.

    Jomo Kenyatta was sentenced to seven years imprisonment for his management of the guerrilla organization Mau Mau. He was allowed to return to Kikuyuland in 1961. did he give up, did he think he was a loser, definitely not in 1963 he became Prime Minister, and in 1964 was President of Kenya.

    Mahatma Gandhi was imprisoned by the British Authorties several times, he never considered himself a loser, neither did his people, he lived to be influential in the Indian Independence negotiations of 1947.

    For those who dare and seek to lead a people, they must have courage, the people’s wish is that you should succeed, think only of what you can do for your country, and your past efforts will pale into insignificance.

  30. Dear BFP and others.

    We find it interesting that the DLP is being called upon to state its position on many issues even before the people of Barbados gives it an opportunity to govern.

    The DLP surely cannot at this stage speak emphatically on every issue which BFP or the other commentators throw up. Our policy pronouncements have to be based on sound research and good judgment.

    The DLP is not insensitive to the issue of declaring the Graeme Hall Wetlands as a national park and therefore protected by legislation. We recognise the uniqueness of the Graeme Hall area and is opposed to any part of it being turned into a water park or used for any type of commercial development. The fragility of the Graeme Hall ecosystem must not be disturbed by callous development.

    According to you BFP, Graeme Hall Nature Sanctuary was declared a RAMSAR site. To the best of our information the entire 33 hectares are listed in the RAMSAR data base. Approximately 13 or so hectares are owned by the Graeme Hall Nature Sanctuary. Government owns about 19 hectares of the land and this must not past into private hands for exploitation and thus depriving future generations of the naturalness of that area.

    This information would suggest that the total area is in fact listed and designated a RAMSAR site.

    This information therefore throws up the terrible anomaly of a private developer seeking to establish a commercial venture within or proximate to this area. Any agency of government that gives permission for this venture would be flying in the face of the Ministry of the Environment, another governmental agency and its having Graeme Hall listed as a RAMSAR site.

    The DLP wishes to restate that under a DLP government, Graeme Hall will not be used for commercial development, but will be part of a protected zone which will cover areas such as the Graeme Hall National Preserve and other areas of environmental significance.

    Xlnc4u
    Please go the links listed below and you can have information on the RAMSAR sites of the world as well as Barbados’ listing and a thorough description of the Graeme Hall ecosystem.

    http://www.ramsar.org/key_cp_e.htm

    http://www.wetlands.org/rsis/

  31. Justasking

    Please note that it is RAMSAR not RAMSAT. Check the following link page 2 of section 2

    Click to access GHSection2-Final.pdf

    This is the relevant section:

    “At the present time, the Government of Barbados recognizes only 81.54 acres (33 hectares) of the proposed (approximately) 240-acre Graeme Hall National Park worthy of full environmental protections, calling this particular area an “environmental heritage site” and recognized by the the Authority governing the Convention on Wetlands, initiated in Ramsar, Iran in 1971. The lands within the 81.54-acre (33 hectare) RAMSAR site consist of both private and public parcels, the majority of which are held by the Government of Barbados in the east, the Graeme Hall Nature Sanctuary in the centre, and Southdowns Enterprises, Inc. in the west. It is probable that other, much smaller parcels owned by individual landowners are within this Site, but full understanding of the boundaries is subject to survey.
    The RAMSAR site constitutes the primary 100-year floodplain of the Graeme Hall Watershed, and is thereby considered a “sump” for runoff from the Watershed, including the upland agricultural areas adjacent to the ABC Highway and Rendezvous Ridge. “

  32. BFP

    DLP says…

    “Dear BFP and others.

    We find it interesting that the DLP is being called upon to state its position on many issues even before the people of Barbados gives it an opportunity to govern. ”

    Yes, DLP, that is a big change in Bajan politics… the voters are actually demanding that their prospective leaders declare their policies and intents prior to being elected.

    “We are better than the other guys, trust us” is no longer good enough.

    Despite all the DLP’s flowery words in their response, we do not see clearly stated that they have looked over the proposal for the Graeme Hall National Park and are committed to it. The term “no commercial development” could also be translated to mean excluding businesses but not residential development.

    The clear translation of what they said is “At this time, we are not willing to commit to the Graeme Hall National Park as proposed”

    Cut the jiving and dodging DLP. Let your yes be yes and your no be no.

    “Here come de new boss. Same as de old boss. Won’t get fooled again!”

  33. Wishing in Vain

    BFP I disagree with you, they have stated that they are fully committed to leaving Greame Hall as a nature reserve.

    ********************

    BFP Replies

    Hi WIV,

    You’ll have to forgive us for wanting to pin them down, in writing, with the exact boundaries that they intend and how they intend to do this. So far it is nothing but weasel words from an anonymous poster claiming to be DLP. Nothing official in writing from the party. Will they allow residential development? Yes or No? Where are the boundaries?

    Is the DLP officially stating that they will act according to the existing proposal… or some other plan?

    Their response is not only not clear, it bears the hallmarks of so many other weasel word responses on so many topics that it is meaningless.

  34. Wishing in Vain

    GRAEME HALL NATIONAL PRESERVE MUST MAINTAIN ITS INTEGRITY
    The DLP wishes to restate that under a DLP government, Graeme Hall will not be used for commercial development, but will be part of a protected zone which will cover areas such as the Graeme Hall National Preserve and other areas of environmental significance.
    The DLP is not insensitive to the issue of declaring the Graeme Hall Wetlands as a national park and therefore protected by legislation. We recognise the uniqueness of the Graeme Hall area and is opposed to any part of it being turned into a water park or used for any type of commercial development. The fragility of the Graeme Hall ecosystem must not be disturbed by callous development.

    According to you BFP, Graeme Hall Nature Sanctuary was declared a RAMSAR site. To the best of our information the entire 33 hectares are listed in the RAMSAR data base. Approximately 13 or so hectares are owned by the Graeme Hall Nature Sanctuary. Government owns about 19 hectares of the land and this must not past into private hands for exploitation and thus depriving future generations of the naturalness of that area.

    The above as taken from theDLP website it is clearly stated on their website for all to see I would hazzard a guess if it is on their site it surely must be a policy position from a party standpoint.

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  36. Tudor

    Good on you BFP! It high time that the DLP committed itself to the National Park idea. Let us the voters know where they stand.

    Just for the record just because it has been classified as a RAMSAR site does not mean automatic protection. We have to be vigilant or this lawless band who make up the Govt will proceed with the change of use changing the Graeme Hall land from agricultural to housing ;out goes the National Park and in comes upscale housing and the “boys” make a dungbasket full of money.

  37. Tudor

    I understood from the Minister of the Environment that the RAMSAR treaty has been ratified. In fact there is a sign declaring such at the Sanctuary.