Our Barbados Waterpark Trusted Source Was Correct… (Will Matthew Kerins Go Ballistic?)

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WATERPARK ANNOUNCED For Ocean Park Aquarium

Ocean Park Aquarium To Get “Swim With The Dolphins” Attraction

BFP Trusted Source: Developer Of Competing Caribbean Splash Waterpark Told To Wait “Until After The Election”

Our sources at Barbados Free Press are a mixed bag who range from anonymous folks we have never met to people we have known all our lives. Some sources are well meaning while others have undisclosed agendas – even to the point of trying to feed us false information to damage our credibility.

It’s a tough world out there as far as journalism is concerned, made tougher still by the fact that we at BFP are amateurs that the government would love to shut down.

When we publish a story based upon inside information, we try to provide our readers with some assessment of the credibility of the source. Sometimes we caution our readers that we don’t know where the information came from. Other times we describe a source as “trusted” or “previously reliable”. You can’t count upon us to be perfect or 100% accurate, but you can always rely upon us to be honest and straight up with our readers. When we make mistakes, they are honest mistakes and we will tell you so.

Of course, when we are 100% bang on with an insider story, we like to brag about it a bit. Can’t blame us for that!

Government Approves Ocean Park Aquarium For Dolphin Swim & Waterpark

Over six weeks ago on April 22, 2007 we told our readers that the Government of Barbados had given approval for Ocean Park Aquarium to build a “swim with the dolphins” attraction. Our story also related that Ocean Park Aquarium had applied to build a waterslide feature, but that this approval was “on hold” because of concerns within the government about how competing waterpark developer Matthew Kerins would react when Ocean Park received approvals but he did not.

We see in today’s Nation News that Ocean Park has announced their new “swim with the dolphins” project – but they have also announced the waterpark development. (see The Nation News $10m More In The Ocean)

What Does This Mean For Kerins’ Caribbean Splash Waterpark?

As we told our readers over six weeks ago in our story Source: Caribbean Splash Waterpark Developer Told “Wait Until After The Election”, the Government of Barbados has a bit of a sticky wicket in Caribbean Splash developer Matthew Kerins.

According to our source, Kerins feels betrayed that he has paid over US$2 million in “consulting fees” to various Barbados “consultants” and has yet to receive permission to build – especially after a “very pleasant” meeting in 2005 with Mr. Leonard Nurse and Prime Minister Owen Arthur wherein the Prime Minister confirmed Mr. Nurse’s advice to Kerins that the waterpark should be built on government-owned land at Graeme Hall.

There is a popular resistance against the waterpark at Graeme Hall and area locals have collected over 6,000 signatures on a petition against the development. Widespread negative publicity about the waterpark, plus a general backlash against large scale developments near the proposed Graeme Hall National Park has made open support for the waterpark political suicide for a government that is on the ropes with many constituents.

The government would like to tell Matthew Kerins to “blow salt”… but is worried about what Kerins might further say in public regarding that matter of his 2 million dollars in “consulting fees”. Mr. Kerins has already been too vocal about these fees for the government’s liking, so the government has told him to keep quiet and wait until after the coming election when the government would be in a much better position to give their blessing.

So far, that strategy has worked for the government – but now that Ocean Park has let the cat out of the bag regarding their project, will Matthew Kerins hold his tongue and his temper?

Will Matthew Kerins really get his approvals after the election… or will the government then tell him that he is a plucked chicken and out 2 million dollars?

At least if Matthew doesn’t get his waterpark, he will know that he has been plucked by the best in the business!

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131 responses to “Our Barbados Waterpark Trusted Source Was Correct… (Will Matthew Kerins Go Ballistic?)

  1. Anonymous

    With luck, we can get Mr. Kerins to become a regular on Barbados Free Press!
    – and contribute exciting material of great interest!

    Is he aware of BFP’s existence? (he must,surely)
    How do we encourage him to post?
    Anyone have Kerins’ email??

  2. lawrence loughlin

    Same old, same old gross misrepresentations of facts and figures. We wish all business well in Barbados, which includes Ocean Park Marine Aquarian. Why not !!

    In business we feel it is best to be a King of a trade instead of a Jack of all trades. Our target market is not only tourism but most importantly local Bajan families. Ocean Park Marine Aquarium is geared more for tourism. Our project will be a wholesome playground for children and youngsters never tire of going to playgrounds. Therefore, we will have a high percentage of repeat visitors. When the tourist season is slack the children are off from school. This extra demand keeps our business on a even keel. This equation makes for a very successful business model.

    You act as if you are speaking for all Bajans which you do not !!!! I can take extreme comfort and knoweledge that my private polling suggests 93% of Bajans polled were enthralled about the Water Park. I even went a step further, by saying I am willing to do a referendum on the issue. If 75% or less of Bajans do not want a Water Park, than we gone. I have no fear of what the outcome would be, DO YOU. To win by this percentage would be a historic win by any measurement !!

    Are we not a DEMOCRACY !!! Let the PEOPLE have their voice.

  3. Peltdown Man

    lawrence laughlin

    my private polling suggests 93% of Bajans polled were enthralled about the Water Park
    ___________________________________

    Same old, same old gross misrepresentations of facts and figures.

  4. Thistle

    Peltdown Man: Could you, or is there someone who can give us the true figures representing the poll? I find it hard to believe that 93% of Bajans would be enthralled at the idea of a water park at Graeme Hall. Yes, a water park maybe, but definitely NOT at Graeme Hall. Ocean Park sounds far more sensible.

  5. BFP

    Hey Lawrence…

    1/ What about that US$2 million in “consulting fees” that Kerins keeps talking about? Exactly where was that spent? Please assure us unequivocally that none of the “consultants” were related to any member of the government in any way.

    (We can’t see US$2 million in value so far – so please explain how Matthew got to this figure)

    2/ Why should we allow the waterpark to be built on public lands?

    3/ If (when) the waterpark fails, the costs to dismantle and clean up the site could run into the millions of dollars. Would Caribbean Splash be willing to put up a cash deposit to be held in escrow against this possibility?

    We’re talking millions here, so think about it before answering!

    That will do for a start.

  6. Private poll

    Of thirteen?

  7. Wishing in Vain

    I am not about to setup a defence for Keirns and company because they went about this the wrong way from the beginning we all know that the gov’t is corrupt and dishonest and will accept bribes but there is a right way and a wrong way to do business and paying those in positions of power is certainly not the right way and furthermore Greame Hall Park was not an option at all for such an operation.
    However let me put an angle on this that may fully explain why Ocean Park may have received their approval on this matter, one of the partners and shareholders of Ocean Park is Mr Ralph Johnson also of Lucky Horse Shoe fame a place that strives off of slot machines and another slot machine location as well, , Mr Johnson and Mr Haloute were completely left out of the new deal Hallam Nicholls, Glyne Bannister and Owing Arthur drew up with americans Washington and Johnson to operate these 2,500 new machines on the island and Mr Johnson has been hurt by the actions of these bastards to completely ignore him in the allocation of these new machines being one of the earliest operators of slot machines in Barbados made even worst by his good friends Hallam Nicholls and Owing being involved and not making him part of this deal.
    Now in an effort to calm his feelings and gain his continued party support they have opted to grant him the permission for Ocean Park in exchange for him to keep his mouth shut and not make any waves with these 2,500 new machines coming into the island to be placed in every nook and cranny so many more poor Barbadians are to be now exposed to these machines if you thought that people went home pennyless before just wait for this to hit home.
    If I were Mr Ralph Johnson and Mr Elias Haloute I would be looking over my shoulder at each and every move the same Owing and Hallam Nicholls made because I can assure you they are not for you but for their own pockets and themselves.

  8. more

    Small potatoes!
    Johnson and Haloute are getting part of other big deals some of which are at the moment “pie in the sky” with yet unknown to them tight strings attached.
    Too easy for too long!

  9. Tudor

    Larry, as I understand it most barbadians are in favour of a water park, BUT NOT AT GRAEME HALL.
    You should hold your referendum and then leave as Kerins stated publicly that if we didn’t want the park he would take it to another island.

  10. J. Payne

    I find the credibility of BFP to be pretty good. At first I was like noooo way—- because it is a stark difference from what you get from the Advo-Nation-StarCom media empire so it sounded like way—- off but if you stick around long enough things begin to ring true around here… Keep up the good work BFP.

  11. Justasking

    Hi Lawrence,

    Just a couple of questions to add to those of BFP.

    1) In your private poll how many people did you interview? Five? Where did you carry out the poll? Cocktail Party? Funeral? Wedding? Rum Shop?Your neighbours?

    2) Did you tell them that your water park was going to destroy 17 acres of agricultural land used for research by The Central Agronomic Research Station/Ministry of Agriculture?

    3) Did you tell them the land belongs to the citizens of Barbados and you only want to lease it? By the way how much are you leasing it for and the terms of the lease?

    4) Did you tell them your waterpark can only be a financial success if you lease Government/public land but will not be viable if you have to buy private land?

    5) Did you tell them that the Government regulatory agencies did not support the water park at Graeme Hall?

    6) Did you tell them that the Ministry of Agriculture does not support having the water park at Graeme Hall?

    7) Did you tell them that one of the regulatory agencies said that your EIA was unsatisfactory and merely a scoping study? Have you carried out a new EIA and corrected the deficiences?

    8) Did you tell them that you restricted access of the public to the EIA and would not allow any photocopies to be made of copies in the Public Library?

    9) Did you know that according to the website http://www.graemehallnationalpark.org over 6000 citizens of Barbados signed a petition suporting a National Park at Graeme Hall. Do you know that would be equivalent to getting about 10 million signatures in the USA? Just think about it.

    10) Friends Of Graeme Hall have published a Reference Guide, freely distributed it, made it available on the website showing their plans. When are you going to do the same and make your EIA available on a website so the public can judge?

    11)What is the current status of your application to Town Planning? Was your application turned down and you are now appealing?

    Hey, I am just asking. Pun intended!

  12. J. Payne

    At first I liked the idea of the waterpark because it gives Barbados a leg up to matching some of the fun features of the Sandals all-inclusive resorts. But now I say don’t put it in Graeme Hall. Anywhere but there… Can’t they even build this water park on stilts over the Ocean similar to the Arawak Cement plant???

    http://www.arawakcement.com.bb/

    So long as the dont damage any corals or pollute the water.

  13. Wishing in Vain

    This petition is signed by a Peter Simmons is this the same Simmons the former Ambassdor to the UK ?? and family of the CJ if this is the case it speaks volumes about the strong feelings that exist for not having a water park in Greame Hall when he is willing to put his name on such a document that links Keirns to Owing and their dishonesty and their skullduggery.

  14. Justasking

    J. Payne
    June 6th, 2007 at 1:10 pm

    But now I say don’t put it in Graeme Hall. Anywhere but there… Can’t they even build this water park on stilts over the Ocean similar to the Arawak Cement plant???
    ———————————————–
    Everyone except, Laughlin, Kerins and the people he polled agree that the water park should not be at Graeme Hall.

    And I would agree that if you did do a poll a majority of people would say that they think a water park for Barbados is a good idea. However the devil is in the details. Where? How large? Environmental Impact and how will it be mitigated?

    Kerins/Laughlin severely restricted themselves when their main criteria in site selection was that they needed to lease government land in order for the project to be financially viable. That criteria alone should set off alarm bells.

    Now, if they take that requirement out they could consider some other sites, but they have said in their EIA that if they have to buy private land the water park will not be a financial success.

    I guess they have a conundrum.

    The other thing is that due to the scope of their project they will need to do an EIA for whichever location they select.Unfortunately the one they did for Graeme Hall was, according to the regulatory agencies, unsatisfactory. So unless they improve in this area they will once again run into problems.

  15. M. Mollygan

    info_at_caribbeansplash.net or info_at_barbadoswaterpark.com

    Do you feel lucky? … punk.

  16. Anonymous

    Laughlin is an ‘old money’ Trinidadian surname, from what I know.
    So. the Kerins waterpark is an American/Trinidadian combine, huh?
    Would seem so. Please correct me if I’m wrong

  17. Anonymous

    Laughlin & DeGannes…you know the name?
    Port of Spain. check the T&T phone book

  18. BFP

    M. Mollygan said,

    “info_at_caribbeansplash.net or info_at_barbadoswaterpark.com

    Do you feel lucky? … punk.”

    Barbados Free Press replies…

    Hi Matthew. How are things?

    When you don’t get your approval after the election, then what?

  19. Peltdown Man

    These jokers think that it’s okay to permanently disrupt the lives of the residents around Graeme Hall so long as 93% of Bajans want it. I, for one, am sick of hearing that individuals should sacrifice their right to live peacefully in their own homes “in the interests of tourism” as GIS tried to put it in the case of the rally, and as the water park promoters are now putting it. Surely the idea of increasing tourism is to better the lives of ALL Bajans. This means that those entrusted with the planning of our infrastructure have a duty in a democracy to defend the rights of those whose lives will be disrupted. Either that, or compensate them. We are on a slippery slope. No one could claim that it is comfortable to live in Barbados right now, with constant road construction, deplorable traffic conditions, dust, and noise. These things are only acceptable in the name of development if the population has some idea as to when it will all end, and when they will get to live their lives in some sort of acceptable equilibrium. Right now, there is no end in sight, and that is troubling. As for the proposed water park, I predict that it will become a major polluter, requiring massive amounts for chlorine to keep it safe, as its proximity to Graeme Hall Bird Sanctuary will mean that large amount of bird faeces will be deposited in the water. This has turned out to be a major health concern in area in N.America where water parks have been mooted. Finally the “business model” mentioned by Laughlin above is surely not serious. Do we know what the entrance fee for the park will be? Are Bajan parents really going to send their kids there every day during vacations? Do they SERIOUSLY think that one more tourist will visit barbados because there is a water park? Get real guys, and forget the “consultancy fees”. Slink off back to where you came from.

  20. Somebody Help Barbados

    mr.laughlin…

    i am sure i am closer to the ground than you….you are gith BFP does not speak for all of us so let me speak for me my family and close neighbours….

    we do not give a ……………. about you or your water park….families go to water parks when they have money….you see anybody in Barbados except the government and the drug dealers that have money…stupse..

    we trying to juggle the food bill and the gas bill with the price of the house spots…think we have time to come to a water park to make rich ppl richer…stupse…

    you seem to have gone to the same school of economics as noel lynch and owen….a place where after spending miiions on world cup to move heaven and earth it turns out to be our finest hour…stupse…

    there are some water parks in the states and Cananda that you can visit and not complete in 1 day…in that case you have to go back…but after we see your half acre park(by taking out a line od credit) who say we gun be repeat visitors…you should join up with trevor eastmod and you and kerin can become comedians…because you two seem to be good at making people laugh….

  21. Wishing in Vain

    We are up for the higgest bidder Condos, beach front development, water park, marinas,slot machines, over priced jail and the list goes on.

  22. Justasking

    Peltdown Man, you are right on target. As a Nation we have to start thinking seriously about quality of life not just numbers. There has to be balance between development and environmental concerns. See link in Nation for comments by Liz Thompson.

    http://www.nationnews.com/story/289058399373997.php

    If we do not be careful the very things that are being supposedly developed for tourism may end up damaging it. An argument could be made for a water park but to put it at Graeme Hall would be shooting ourself in the foot.

  23. Somebody Help Barbados

    what does comment awaiting moderation mean?

  24. reality check

    SHP

    I believe BFP has stated that they have an automatic check in the system to put comments on hold until they can delete spam and inappropriate comments.

    Half of my comments are automatically held for moderation until the part
    time workers at BFP can sift through the wheat from the chaffe. Its not personal its part of the internet age.

    Unless your comment is outrageous it will show up in the not too distant future.

  25. chébajan

    Ok for all who are in a position of positing without knowledge, which i dare say all minus Lawrence in this forum are guilty of, i must express some points of truth and interest. As being one of the “consultants” paid for services and having absolutely and gratefully no association with any govt anything (never voted in my life and will die that way), i have to lend some information.

    First and foremost I can assure you and every Barbadian that there was and is a staunch position taken by Mr. Kerins not pay a single cent in any bribery type situation for the attainment of this water park.

    Second, all of the malarkey about destruction of agricultural research land and blah blah blah about disrupting peoples homes comes down to the single view that those who live on the ridge above the park do not want their view impeded by such a park. Not that money was spent on doing research of the environment in several locations in Barbados and that this one was approved by the govt as being ok in not harming the environment. (Defenders of environmental issues such as myself would have had issue if i didnt know first hand this to be true) What i do know to be true is that a certain someone who has a certain house who is in a certain powerful position started all of that hoopla to see this thing stalled. (oh and the land, isnt that being used to grow cotton? how slavery like, isnt that the same cotton we see sitting in bails in the refinery doing absolutely nothing? and the same cotton company who has yet to do anything with our sea-island cotton while europeans come here and export it to make products and make millions off of us without us seeing a cent?)

    Thirdly the minister who is in disagreement of said location should be thoroughly investigated for his position. Which includes friends, family, associates, lunch and dinner dates, guests at home to see exactly why it is that he is in such a disapproving state. Hmmm i wonder what we will see?….

    And lastly, how on earth Just Asking, can 6,000 signatures equate to 10,000,000 in the united states? Based on simple math alone, nothing to do with the scale of populations that you would want us to factor into such a statement, with a population of 300 Million people versus a popluation of 280 Thousand you want me to believe that you could get 10 Million persons in America to sign a petition? Or that 3.5 percent, which is what your 10Million equates to, (by the way that would be 9,833 bajans you would need not 6,000 do the math) of bajans vehemently oppose this water park? What about the rest of Barbados, the other 274Thosand bajans who have not had the opportunity to sign any petition in regards to the jobs that would be provided by the water park and so forth. And since we are comparing Barbados to America (lol) lets look at Disneyland or Disneyworld which employs thousands, sees several thousand in visitors yearly, has increased in numbers over its years of operations, created characters for children to view, (as would Caribbean Splash) televsion shows, entertainment value for the likes of numerous entertainers to make a living (instead of playing at a hotel like they do here, or in the gap) and move on with those careers to higher careers. Not to mention the income for such an entity (yes it is a business). But unlike most conglomerates here in Barbados it will not belong to the plantocracy generation or generations that came post-colonial slavery and actually give the govt money from a source other than the already taxed out average citizen.

    Now when weighing in or speaking on behalf or against something, especially when views aren’t jaded (i no longer do any “consulting” on behalf of the waterpark, i just thought it was a phenomenal idea, and still think it is) I suggest we get REAAAALLLL honest about what we speak. If you don’t want to see your precious value of homes devalue, as you think is the case, or you just simply don’t see how you too can profit from said organisation, then please state that. But then again when will we ever in this country hear someone outright say publically that they are/have raped and pillaged the land for their own benefits then turn around and say someone else cant do it?

    This country is in serious need…of an overhaul..political…economic (by that i mean get the money out of the hands of those who after slavery just stayed and profited and passed it on generation after generation)…structural (do we really need all those condos which don’t bring in a dime to the overall needs of the country?)…and personal (lets start to tell the truth, if 50,000 tonnes of peanuts can be delivered to the door of CBS to save a TV show, A TV SHOWWWW, then for crying out loud the people of this country can start to do more!!!!)

    Pity tho, im just chébajan who will probably be wiped out for my views, but as previously stated a revolution is needed and this Waterpark can be the beginnings of one. Lets not be afraid.

    Stand tall bajans, let your voices be heard (all of them, not just 6,000) and do something for your future generations. They are the ones who will have to inherit the things being done today, good or bad.

  26. Anonymous

    The worst thing about all of this is that the Ministry/Minister responsible for this mess is saying nothing. We do not know whether approval has been granted or not.

    The residents of the area are who will have to live with this and have the right to know. Make the Government tell us or keep as much noise internationally as we can by writing to every international environmental organization which has an address.

  27. L. Laughlin has no credibility in saying 93% of their so-called “poll” were in favour of the water park at Graeme Hall.

    This poll is on record with Town and Country Planning as part of the application process. The names and addresses of those polled contains no one from Graeme Hall Park nor Tino Terrace, the two most affected areas. Most were from Amity Lodge, Rendezvous, Vauxhall etc.

    Those who attended the two Town Hall Meetings at Christchurch parish hall will recall that the poll was vague in its wording, not mentioning the location, nor the extent of the affect it would have on those living nearby. Those who voted in favour in the idea of a water park admitted afterwards they had been gulled into doing so, and regretted the deception.

    If a poll were taken now of the residents in the surrounding areas it would certainly be 93% AGAINST Caribbean Splash in Graeme Hall where it would undoubtedly pollute the Nature Sanctuary, besides destroying the fine National Park project.

    But the surrounding residents do not have the sole right to vote on this. It concerns ALL Barbadians.

    When Caribbean Splash’s proposal was first exposed, there had been no concept of Graeme Hall National Park. That arose after the fury of citizens that the last remaining open area close to Brindgetown should be pillaged by commercial adventurers.

    It seemed a wonder that out of this crass commercial proposal should come the unique opportunity for a national park for future generations to enjoy.

    Loughlin is, if I recall correctly, the so-called “Barbadian roots” which Kerins claimed at the Town Hall Meeting; Loughlin is Kerins’ uncle (or somesuch) and is financially involved in the Caribbean Splash scheme.

    Nothing Loughlin says about Caribbean Splash can be taken seriously. He has a vested interest in the project and is prepared to lie blatantly in the hope of profit, and has repeatedly done so.

    Kerins has admitted Caribbean Splash would not be nearly as profitable unless it is on the “free” land leased from Government at Graeme Hall. None of us would object to a water park in a more suitable location, and it should shame every Barbadian to think that officials at the highest level may well have been bribed to give away what belongs to the nation.

    Unless Owing Arthur comes out with a statement before the election that his government will never approve Caribbean Splash at Graeme Hall’s agricultural lands, he will be virtually admitting that he is financially implicated.

  28. Zulu

    The GOB owns Bath plantation, why can’t the project be taken there? A most suitable place to put it, I think.
    Near the old satelite earth station. I am sure the govt can lease that land to the operators of the water park and everybody will be happy.

  29. Wishing in Vain

    pandora
    Unless Owing Arthur comes out with a statement before the election that his government will never approve Caribbean Splash at Graeme Hall’s agricultural lands, he will be virtually admitting that he is financially implicated.
    How in heavens name can he say anything of real substance when all of them are on the take from the ones like Keirns and company why do you think that there is so much going on with regards to blocked access etc and Condos enmasse.
    When the true extent of this stealing and blatant corruption is exposed you will be amazed and ashamed to be associated with this gang of crooks.
    Sadly the longer it is left without elections being called the greater the stealing will be, it will continue right up to election day if given the chance, this will be by election fraud this really is scary to me that in their greed for power and control we could be exposed to election dishonesty.
    Are we likely to see ballot boxes filled with pro BLP votes even before a single is cast ?? Or are we going to see every Guyananese those here and those not here voting for the BLP???
    Scarry thought is it not???

  30. Thistle

    Che Gevarra (oh, excuse me, chebajan): After that long, boring diatribe and blah, blah, blah, you may not be “wiped out” (even with toilet paper), but the bottom line is: NO BLASTED WATER PARK FOR GRAEME HALL.

  31. Anonymous

    Uneducated Idiot

    You are just what your name indicates.

  32. Wishing in Vain

    Thistle
    Right on to you.
    There is so much nonsense going on in BGI it is absolutely amazing indeed, only goes to show when politicians go bad what confusion they can create.

  33. Justasking

    M. Mollygan
    June 6th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
    info_at_caribbeansplash.net or info_at_barbadoswaterpark.com

    Do you feel lucky? … punk.
    ———————————————-
    M. Mollygan – , did we miss something. What is this post about?

  34. Citizen First

    Chebajan,
    you wrote – “but as previously stated a revolution is needed and this Waterpark can be the beginnings of one. Lets not be afraid”.

    really now! I can see it now Mathew Kerins, National Hero! (…stupse).

    My position on the issue is that as the land is publicly owned (state property) then it should be used for

    a) the enjoyment of the public (National Park, recreational space, nature sanctuary) or

    b) for some social project (housing, public hospital, agricultural lands for scientific work etc.) or

    c) by a state owned and controlled entity if commercial activity is going to done.

    Whatever is done should be in accordance with appropriate environmental impact assessments and national physical planning objectives . The land should NOT be given/leased/sold to a private concern least of all a foreign private concern.

    My preference is for (a).

  35. Justasking

    Chebajan,

    I stand corrected on my comment that 6000 signatures is equivalent to 10 million in USA. However your figures are not correct either. According to http://www.centralbank.org.bb
    Barbados population is 266,800 and 6000 is 2.25%. According to http://www.census.gov the USA population is 302 million and 2.25% of this is 6.8 million.

    I had not realized that the US population had grown and was working with old data. However it still does not detract from the argument. To replicate the effort in Barbados of getting 6000 signatures or 2.25% of the population you would have to collect 6.8 million signatures in the USA.

    How many signatures did the water park developer collect? How many people did Lawrence Laughlin poll?

    You said “…..money was spent on doing research of the environment in several locations in Barbados and that this one was approved by the govt as being ok in not harming the environment.” Really? Where? Contrary to your statement here is what the Environmental Unit has to say (page 6 of the Developer’s EIA) in recommending against development the water park:

    “The Ministry doers not support the conversion of agricultural land for this type of development. The Environmental Unit is of the view that a development such as this is not in keeping with the sustainable use and conservation of natural resources”.

    And on page 10:

    “Graeme Hall is a watershed area that is not fully understood from a hydrological standpoint. There is an assessment project that is currently being undertaken by the Coastal Zone Management Unit (CZMU) of the Ministry of Housing Lands and the Environment in collaboration with other relevant stakeholders on the hydrology of the swamp. The results of such a study will assist decision makers to better understand the dynamics occurring within this watershed so that they may better be able to coordinate developmental projects within the watershed area. The Ministry does not recommend placing a facility of this nature within the watershed area”.

    Here is a challenge for you. Since you were a well connected former consultant get hold of a copy of the EIA and quote the government agencies that supported placing the water park at Graeme Hall.

  36. Somebody help Barbados

    k thanks for the clarification reality check…lol..didn’t take it personal…just never appeared before so i was wondering…thanks

  37. CheTwistindewind

    chébajan: If I were you, I would distance myself from that rather poor consulting job that Kerins got.

    You missed a few things:

    Mistake No. 1: Government failed in its due diligence to Mr. Kerins by recommending waterpark use of land at Graeme Hall that has been designated agriculture/open space by the last official APPROVED Physical Development Plan. The PROPOSED Plan, which calls for a MASSIVE land use change from Agriculture/Open Space to Residential/Urban Corridor, is up for vote in Parliament. Can you imagine the ruckus that will happen if they pass it as it is? Oh, not just a ruckus – much bigger.

    Mistake No. 2: Kerins and Government made the assumption that it would be okay to hammer out a defacto developer subsidy by leasing government land without appropriate and transparent public disclosure.

    Mistakey No. 3: Kerins promised he would leave if nobody wanted his waterpark. He hasn’t, which means he is a liar.

    Mistak-o Numero 4: Kerins, and you, assume that just because men and women of integrity live on the hill, it nullifies any argument they may have against the Waterpark. You would do much better if you showed respect, not just for them, but for the fact that they are NOT against your little waterpark, they are simply against you putting in in the last significant green spot on the South Coast.

    Mister Che, I suspect you are a good man and a patriot at heart, and that you want what is best for Barbados. Some of your comments at the end of your note were reflective of that.

    The Prime Minister can make this right, if he wants to.

  38. CheTwist: “The Prime Minister can make this right, if he wants to.”

    Too true! But he hasn’t shown anything but arrogent disregard for public opinion on this matter for nearly two years for obvious reasons.

    What sort of democracy do we have where our “esteemed” leader will apparently put lining his pocket above the public good?

    Voting him out is too good for him. This is criminal negligence and abuse of office. In a less law-abiding country he would be strung from the tallest tree.

  39. Just asking

    Hey Zulu it cannot be sited at Bath remember we just gave that away to CLICO to develop, wonder if that was the trade off for the money deposited

  40. John

    Just asking

    Wonder what the land at Bath is designated for in the legal Physical Development Plan?

    …. and hey, if it belongs to Government, is Clico seeking the same deal with Public lands in Barbados as Mr Kerrins is/was?

  41. Peltdown Man

    Chebajan

    First and foremost I can assure you and every Barbadian that there was and is a staunch position taken by Mr. Kerins not pay a single cent in any bribery type situation for the attainment of this water park.
    __________________________________

    Methinks the gent doth protest too much!!

    After all, why would he mention it at all?

  42. justasking2

    chebajan

    First and foremost I can assure you and every Barbadian that there was and is a staunch position taken by Mr. Kerins not pay a single cent in any bribery type situation for the attainment of this water park.
    ————————————————-
    Chebajan
    You are free to write what you like, however, I
    know this statement to be untrue.

  43. right on

    Laughlin sweet !! He wants us all to vote not you people who want to rob us for some silly national park. will you at graeme hall pay for that or let all of us Bajans pay for a few people can keep their view. I suggest they get funny money and buy seaside land , not rob the people. I want water park, all my friends want watyer park and nobody says bad things about water park except you stupse people. I sitting here at sunset crest with kids and wish I go to WP now !!! Everybody want water park so stop funny talk.

  44. Peltdown Man

    Right On, I have seen no comment here that says there should be no water park, just that it should not be at Graeme Hall. You may make all the fuss you like to get a park, but my bet says that you will use it a couple of times and then move on to something different. In any case, do you know how much they will charge as entry for you and the family? Will you then be forced to pay through the nose for any food and drink you buy? Think they’ll let you in with a picnic? Think again! Finally, “Everybody want water park “, but nobody wants it in their back yard. I guess that you must be one of those people who doesn’t give a toss about anyone else, so long as your selfish needs are met. Nuff people like you in Barbados, “Right On”, and you will eventually destroy it.

  45. Justasking

    Lawrence Laughlin, are you going to reply to any of the 11 questions I asked you? I suppose most of them are rhetorical and can be answered with an emphatic NO. However in the interest of transparency and democracy can you give a response to Number 11? Here is the question again:What is the current status of your application to Town Planning? Was your application turned down and you are now appealing?

    You could also answer the BFP question (We can’t see US$2 million in value so far – so please explain how Matthew got to this figure).

  46. mebajan2

    mebajan2

    pandora
    It looks like you have been sniffing the herbs again.
    If the waterpark is going to be such a bad commercial venture for the Graeme Hall area, would you be happier if an alternative proposal to build 500 condos on the whole of the 299 acres, was approved instead?….because you should be checking with Town Planning. And whilst you are busy doing this (after another spliff which you will definitely need once you get an answer), check if the Minister responsible for the land knows about it and for how long!

    Peltdown Man

    How much will you pay? I hope it is like in Florida or the Gold Coast in Australia, where the natives get a hefty discount….and have you heard of campaigns? there are like loss leaders in supermarkets.
    Do some research. Start with this link:
    http://www.waterparks.org
    You can pick any waterpark in the world and see what is being charged. I belive that Mr. Kerins has already done that and would have had to submit figures to the relevant government departments.

    Thistle
    There is only one statement to make about your comments….you appear to be a NIMBY.

    Justasking
    From info@caribbeansplash.net
    “Do you feel lucky?…punk”, the answer is yes…loser.
    And when you take a “quote” from a document, it should be the full “quote” and nothing but the “quote”. I have also seen a copy of the EIA and you are certainly not being truthful.

    Justasking2
    Stop being a coward and make your statement about Kerins and bribes being paid in a public arena like the national presses in Barbados or anywhere else in the world (or even in public) for everyone to see and hear. Then if you REALLY know this statement to be true, let’s see if Mr. Kerins (and a few Government Ministers) take the bait and sue the socks off your buttocks.

    Open question to BFP
    Who did the NIMBYs on the hill bribe (in a certain government department) to try delaying tactics on this application? And how much was the NIMBY fund depleted by? Just Asking??

    Chebajan
    I’m right behind you (girl or boy / man or woman).
    You are the first one that has started to make any sense about tis project. I have only just discovered this Blog and it is clear that there are quite a few disgruntled citizens who have axes to grind with several government ministers..but they can’t all be taking “bungs”, can they?

  47. mebajan2

    Justasking
    In case Mr. Loughlin does not see you blog entry, why not let me give you an answer from the inside looking out….it would appear that there has been such a cock-up in the handling of this application that most of the commentators from the various government departments are running scared now that it has reached crunch time to give a decision, and are actually denying that comments can be attributed to them. So it looks like it will be passed up the chain as a classic Peter’s Principle example. I wonder where the buck stops?
    As for the US$2M, ….oh! my boss is coming and could be looking over my shoulder, so I can’t say it now, but will be back later!!

  48. right on

    Chebajan I am big momma who is upset with these people. I hear they take big money to say bad things. Huh here they want to steal are land for free maybe worth 200 million dollars than go to banks for how many millions ???? so we can take walk!!Who pay for upkeep of big silly national park. We all suuppose to go in hot blazin sun for a walk they going to have umbrellas built onto bikes. They think we stupid Chebajan let them people at graeme hall take up a collection and buy land. we give them people a mercedes and we get a YAM! Who you think you kiddin. You robbin the people for silly national park .You tell me water park will cost to much for me but you want to rob us bajans of 300,000,000.00 dollars !!! Who paying you under table !!

  49. chetwistindewind

    mebajan2,

    You are a clever one to use the famous zoning argument, “okay, would you rather have a nice amusement park or a bunch of screaming housing units (or a pig farm).” An old, pathetic argument.

    What you don’t get, or continue to ignore, is the fact that the land isn’t approved for housing or a waterpark. Yet. Everyone has known this for a long time. If you get lucky and Parliament passes the Physical Development Plan which re-zones Graeme Hall ag to residential/urban, it will put a lot of MP’s on the hot seat and for sure cost many of them their seats. I’m betting they don’t want to do that.

    You showed yourself when you referred to “natives” too, in regard to hefty discounts on waterpark tickets. You’ll most certainly get lots of points in Barbados for that one.

    And it was an especially nice drop kick when you asked, “Who did the NIMBYs on the hill bribe…?” An excellent leading question, based in no fact whatsoever and designed to intimidate, offend, and otherwise disrespect people of integrity who have a legitimate concern about development in the last green space on the south coast.

    The common elements underlying the Kerins’ waterpark argument is one of disrespect and money-grubbing. Pathetic.

  50. Justasking

    mebajan2
    June 7th, 2007 at 10:40 pm
    From info@caribbeansplash.net
    “Do you feel lucky?…punk”, the answer is yes…loser.
    And when you take a “quote” from a document, it should be the full “quote” and nothing but the “quote”. I have also seen a copy of the EIA and you are certainly not being truthful.
    ———————————————————–
    Mebajan2, since you have seen the EIA you will know that there is an addendum titled “Addendum to Environmental and Social Impact Assessment Report”. Briefly this document is an addendum to the initial submission and contains responses to the EIA by the regulatory agencies and subsequent comments by Coastal & Environmental Engineering Solutions Inc on behalf of the developer/Kerins/Loughlin et al.

    Are you familiar with this document? Now turn to page 6 and see this direct quote by the Environmental Unit, word for word “The Ministry does not support the conversion of agricultural land for this type of development. The Environmental Unit is of the view that a development such as this is not in keeping with the sustainable use and conservation of natural resources”.

    This is the full quote. If it is not, or a lie, then you bring the truth.

    Now turn to page 10 of the same document for this comment by The Environmental Unit. Again word for word this is a direct quote from the document:
    “Graeme Hall is a watershed area that is not fully understood from a hydrological standpoint. There is an assessment project that is currently being undertaken by the Coastal Zone Management Unit (CZMU) of the Ministry of Housing Lands and the Environment in collaboration with other relevant stakeholders on the hydrology of the swamp. The results of such a study will assist decision makers to better understand the dynamics occurring within this watershed so that they may better be able to coordinate developmental projects within the watershed area. The Ministry does not recommend placing a facility of this nature within the watershed area”.
    This is a straightforward quote from the document. Nothing left out, nothing embellished.
    Your contention that when you quote, it should be a full quote is absolutely correct. That is why I have given you the page numbers to assist you. Go check. What has been omitted? What part of the quote is not truthful?
    To prove your point that these are misquotes and lies why don’t you ask Kerins/Laughlin to post the “Addendum to Environmental and Social Impact Assessment Report” on the web for all to see. Then we would see who is misquoting or being untruthful. They could post on the Caribbeansplash website or right here on BFP. It is only 27 pages.What do you say? Can you use your influence with them to do the right thing in the interest of transparency and accountability? Let the public be the judge of who is being untruthful and misquoting.

  51. Zulu

    Just asking
    I never knew that Clico had/has an interest in Bath Pltn. That being the case, why can’t Kerins and friends approach Leroy Parris and work out something? I guess that won’t happen because they will have to pay, really pay, and not lease anything.

  52. Justasking

    mebajan2
    June 7th, 2007 at 11:06 pm
    Justasking
    In case Mr. Loughlin does not see you blog entry, why not let me give you an answer from the inside looking out….it would appear that there has been such a cock-up in the handling of this application that most of the commentators from the various government departments are running scared now that it has reached crunch time to give a decision, and are actually denying that comments can be attributed to them. So it looks like it will be passed up the chain as a classic Peter’s Principle example. I wonder where the buck stops?
    ————————————————————–
    Mebajan2, So there has been a cock-up in handling the application? Did Kerins and his local “consultants” think they would be able to roll right over the poor old “natives” (your word, not mine) of Barbados? Thought it would be a slam dunk?

    The only commentators from the various government departments that we the public know about are the ones that responded to the EIA and they rejected it in writing. So they won’t be running scared and denying comments. Their comments and recommendations are in black and white and part of their professional duty and responsibility to Government and the Citizens of Barbados.

    Who are these Government departments that are running scared? Did they make certain verbal assurances to Mr. Kerins? As a businessman Kerins should know that if he had assurances they would be a lot more helpful if they were in writing. Or are you talking about the various “consultants” that made certain comments?

    You say “…….now that it has reached crunch time to give a decision,’ In The Barbados Advocate of March 11, 2007 the Chief Town Planner (CTP) is quoted as follows “What I can say is that we carried out a thorough and professional assessment which was forwarded to the Minister, and at the same time it went to the Minister the applicant received a copy if it.. So the applicant is fully seized of what our assessment was and what our recommendation is”.

    Would Mr. Kerins care to share what the recommendation was? I doubt it but based on what the CTP is quoted as saying in The Advocate the recommendation was against the water park at Graeme Hall and Kerins has opted to ask for a hearing and not decided to accept the recommendation and move to another island as promised/threatened at the Town Hall Meeting.

    The CTP is quoted in the same article as saying “the decision would ultimately be Prime Minister Owen Arthur’s to make, as the Minister in charge of planning…’ Let us be in no doubt as to where the buck stops.

  53. John

    chébajan
    June 6th, 2007 at 6:46 pm

    First and foremost I can assure you and every Barbadian that there was and is a staunch position taken by Mr. Kerins not pay a single cent in any bribery type situation for the attainment of this water park.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If Yardbroom’s comment elsewhere about the outlawing of corrupt payments to foreign politicians by the US since 1977 is correct, of course Mr. Kerrins would not pay a single cent in bribery.

    The FBI ain’t no sweetbreads and if Mr. Kerrins is an American, well, ……

    Yardbroom, can you give details about this?

  54. Alibaba

    I am not one of those people who would say that Mr. Kerins bribed any local officials. However, I am sure he had “consultants” and they would have had to be paid. He said he has expended$2 million to date and no physical work has started. So it must have been on “consultant” services

    What would be interesting to know is who was the “consultant(s)” that managed to get the BADMC to agree to lease the land for the waterpark development. Who gave Mr. Kerins the assurance that this audacious development would be approved on 17 acres of government owned agricultural land?

    Who assured him that the Ministry of Agriculture would not object but then in the EIA they said they did not support it.

    Is it these “consultants” that Mebajan2 is referring to when he says “….. most of the commentators from the various government departments are running scared now that it has reached crunch time to give a decision……”???

  55. Fuzzy

    Professionally, I sympathise with Kerins because I think his advisors played fast and loose with his money, and they offered up shoddy work.

    Then again, it might not matter how bad the consultants were. He must know that Graeme Hall is a political time bomb, and an impossible place build his waterpark. It seems to me that the Government of Barbados will soon face an angry water buffalo if they don’t come up with a better idea, quickly.

  56. Alibaba

    Fuzzy, who is the water buffalo? Kerins? The people of Barbados?

    Either way the Government is caught between a rock and a hard place. However they only have themselves to blame in allowing certain “advisers” and “consultants” to lead the water park investors down the garden path.

    Someone in government at a high political level, has to have assured Kerins that he could carry out his development on Government land. It is possible the message came down through the civil service but it came from on high. There is no public servant in this Island that could have given that assurance.

  57. Alibaba

    The following was taken from the objection letter addressed to Chief Town Planner as posted on http://www.graemehallnationalpark.org

    “The EIA states that the water park is to be built on lands vested in the Barbados Agricultural Development and Marketing Corporation (BADMC) and that “consultations with the Board of Directors of the BADMC have not indicated any opposition to making the land available for the Water Park Complex through some type of lease agreement.”

    Here is the mission statement taken from BADMC website http://www.agriculture.gov.bb/default.asp?V_DOC_ID=813

    “The mission of BADMC is to develop agriculture through innovative technological applications, technical and marketing research, and to create opportunities for investment that engenders enterprise, food security and prosperity in the agricultural sector.”

    Believe it or not they also have a “vision” statement: “To be the prime provider of agribusiness services that underpins competitive and sustainable agricultural development in Barbados”

    It seems that the board of the BADMC at the time, were unaware of their mission and mandate and lost their vision when they did not indicate “any opposition to making the land available for the Water Park Complex through some type of lease agreement.” Anyone knows who the chairman and board members were at the time this decision was made. My understanding is that the board has changed since then. Wonder what the stance of the current board is?

    Are these the ones Mebajan2 is referring to when he says “…..it would appear that there has been such a cock-up in the handling of this application that most of the commentators from the various government departments are running scared now that it has reached crunch time to give a decision, and are actually denying that comments can be attributed to them”. Whoever they are I don’t blame them I would run like hell. Kerins is like a bull (someone said buffalo?) in china shop and everyone better watch out. He is angry but as fuzzy said you have to have some sympathy for the man.

  58. Fuzzy

    I meant to say “American water buffalo.”

  59. John

    He has to watch how bad be behaves because I suspect that even the appearance of “corrupt payments to foreign politicians” will invite the wrath of the FBI and Owen and Dale will end up with another one of those reports.

  60. Peltdown Man

    mebajan2
    You can pick any waterpark in the world and see what is being charged
    _________________________________

    What’s your point? It’s not how much is charged, but whether and how often locals can afford to enter. Laughlin claims that their business model uses locals to make up revenue shortfalls in the tourist low season. Under those conditions, I don’t see that it makes sense to offer massive discounts and still stay in business. But then the business is not viable in this size of market either. How many waterparks operate in the U.S. or Europe in population markets of only 260,000? In any case, no matter what the entry fee, losses will be recouped by overcharging on food and drink.
    Also, tell us MEbajan2, where is the water going to come from? Do you know how much it will need every day just to replenish for evaporation? Are you willing to put up with dry taps to keep it viable? Of course, you could always pick up your soap, shampoo and towel and head off down there for a bath.

  61. mebajan2

    Alibaba,
    The BADMC ia a wholly owned quasi-governmental entity. It has a Board which reports to the Minister of Agriculture for representation in Parliament, at Estimates time, etc.
    It also spends loads of money each year, which you and I are paying as taxes.
    Picture the scene in October 2003, whereby the possibility of leasing 17 acres on a site which had been derelict for the preceeding 20 years, at a sum which was being quoted in millions, and you should start to understand why so much nodding of heads took place at the presentations to Board members.
    Note that the proposal called for minimal or no disruption to the existing agenda of the BADMC, because it has been proved that the two entities can co-exist on the Greame Hall site.
    Picture further the scene that the legislation creating the BADMC appears to state that the Minister of Agriculture only has to receive the minutes of the Board meeting, AND that he cannot influence ANY decision taken by the Board (that’s the quasi- bit).
    Do you then wonder why it took the Ministry of Agriculture 9 months to acknowledge that a copy of the proposal for the waterpark had been hand-delivered to their offices before discussions took place with the BADMC, and also why it is that the Ministry of Agriculture is against the project?
    Do you not find it strange that Mr. Kerins has remained silent on most of the topics about the waterpark? Here is something for thought.
    When the application was submitted to Town Planning in 2004, within 3 months it was transformed from being derelict into a vibrant garden of eden. Conspiracy? On who’s part?
    Is there a similarity here to the siting of the oil terminals on land near to the BADMC offices in Christ Church? Was that not agricultural land?

  62. mebajan2

    Fuzzy,
    I would like to agree with you about Kerins probably being a bit “fast and loose with his money”, if prior to the application for the waterpark being submitted, I was not aware that there were some very top level meetings with VERY important people and that everyone kept nodding approval at those meetings. There should be about 30 copies of a very classy presentation package being hidden away in the vaults of these people right now.
    Perhaps Mr. Kerins is waiting for the right time to informs US, the Bajan public.

  63. mebajan2

    Peltdownman,
    Get Justasking to let you have a read of the EIA and the Addendum. The answers to your questions are detailed in there. Also, it would be unwise of Mr. Kerins to make public his cash flow projections, don’t you think.
    here is something for you though..Look at the cost of cruising on catamarans, Jolly Roger etc in Barbados at present. This is for 4 hours at the max. The waterpark in the world are for all day entry. Even if it costs the same as current tourist are paying in Barbados, it can still succeed. And that is with the discount for locals factored in.

  64. mebajan2

    right on
    The Graeme Hall sanctuary started out by stating that the noise at the waterpark would drive away the birds and that sewage would be dumped into the swamp area.
    Fact- the Graeme hall santuary is currently holding numerous raucous parties with bands like the merrymen et al (note not a black bajan band – not enough noise) at least twice a week and the noise being generated therefrom is not affecting the birds. Perhaps this is the season during which these birds migrate to places like Trinidad or South America?
    Fact- the Ministry of Agriculture has for the past 20 years or so been using all sorts of chemical mixtures on the land (as part of their experiments), and the residue have been seeping directly into the swamp area.
    Fact – the houses in the immediate environs of the Sanctuary have all dug suckwells to get rid of their sewage from time immemorial and can you guess where the reside has been going? in the swamp!!
    Fact – in the EIA for the waterpark, the applicant has insisted that sewage from the waterpark MUST be allowed to flow into the South Coast pipeline, but what does the Sanctuary and the NIMBYs on the hill accuse Mr. Kerins of….dumping seage into the swamp and thereby affecting the Sanctuary.
    Fact – if the Government of barbados were to vote for a National Park at the Graeme Hall site, guess who will be footing the bill for the next 100 years or so for its upkeep…not the NIMBYs on the hill or the Santuary, but the poor hard working citizens of Barbados (more taxes for everyone). At least the waterpark was offering a very handsome lease sum for use of the 17 acres.

    Trying to express legitimate concern about development in Graeme Hall and using the auspices of a national newspaper like the Nation to expouse bile about the project , or blogging half truths in the BFP, does not seem to me to be “designed to intimidate, offend or otherwise disrespect people of integrity”. On the contrary, whilst it appears very clever, the other 99.9% of the citizens of Barbados should be given the opportunity to have a constructive voice on the matter also.

  65. mebajan2

    Justasking
    Let’s get back to my comment about “quote”.
    YOU HAVE DONE IT AGAIN.

    You are quoting the comments made by the various government departments, BUT YOU ARE NOT quoting the replies from the consultants or the Applicant that immediately follow each of your “quotes” (even though the “quotes were made in the 1st quarter of 2004 on an original document which has been updated several times insitu).

    And by the way, is it right that I have heard that it appears to be widespread knowledge amongst the original commentators on those documents that the more recent replies which were submitted by the consultants / developer (circa 2005, 2006, 2007) somehow seems to have been recorded as reaching the Town Planning Department but has never been seen by the original commentators?

    Do you wonder why they are scampering for every corner when questions are being asked?

    The Chief Town Planner and the Applicant are both mandated to follow the rules currently in place to deal with submissions of this type.

    You really want to be asking for the law to be changed…but don’t go blaming Mr. Kerins for keeping quiet.

    He has been told repeatedly that his chances would be jeopardised if silence is broken. Go check the rules and stop accusing the man of committing a sin of the worst kind.

    Oh, and things have moved on quite a bit from March 11, 2007 and your “quotes” in the EIA and Addendum. These are living documents, used as bases to be updated by subsequent meetings so that an informed decision can be reached by those required to do so.

    You should really try to get Town Planning to update you since it would appear that you have a god given right to be kept informed of every move.

    What do you think the job of the Chief Town Planner and the Minister responsible for the final decision is? .. it is to protect the interests of the citizens of Barbados and however long this takes it is for them to decide, not you or me.

    I think that it is time to just sit back and let the process takes it path to a final decision.

    And finally, if paying a bribe has resulted in this application taking 3 years to reach the stage that it is at, what is the going rate to get a decision in say 3 months? and are there different rates for different government departments?

    Please publish, as I would like to see the smiles on the faces of my colleagues inthese departments!!

  66. Alibaba

    mebajan2
    June 8th, 2007 at 3:39 pm
    ————————-

    mebajan2, Your statement ”…. on a site which had been derelict for the preceding 20 years,…..” is an outright lie. Someone from The Ministry of Agriculture please come on this site and respond to this accusation.

    You comment that “….why so much nodding of heads took place at the presentations to Board members.” Quite naturally this would have given you encouragement and the board members may have salivated at the prospect of “millions”. Did Mr. Kerins think a nod and a wink from the BADMC board was the green light for his project?

    However, to be charitable to them they would not have been aware of the implications of placing a facility like a water park in the Graeme Hall Watershed. We have not yet become a banana republic and the proposal had to be vetted by the regulatory agencies and the addendum to the EIA clearly shows, as quoted already on this site, that they categorically rejected siting the water park at Graeme Hall. Mr. Kerins knows that because it is in his Addendum to the EIA! Why don’t you ask Mr. Kerins to post the Addendum for all to see? Then we could end this back and forth about who is being truthful or not.

    As to why it is that the Ministry of Agriculture is against the project, I can only guess but maybe it is because The Cenral Agronomic Research Station uses the land for research. Does Mr.Kerins think there is a conspiracy against him just because so many disparate groups, government departments and citizens are against the water park? Hey, this is a democracy and this is democracy at work!

  67. mebajan2

    Peltdownman

    You asked where the water is coming from and I told you to get Justasking to let you read his copy of the EIA and the Addendum.
    However, this may take a long time to come to fruition, as it appears that it can only be used to espouse half truths.
    The Barbados Water Authority has no objection to the provision of a desalination plant as part of the application for the provision of all of the water that will be used on the slides and in the pools etc. A plant capable of delivering 100,000 gallons of water per day has been suggested which is more than adequate to replenish the amount of water that will be lost due to evaporation. Water storage tanks capable of holding in excess of three days supply of water would be built underneath the car-parking areas and run-off water would be used for irrigation purposes. In discussions with the Barbados Water Authority it was proposed that surplus desal water could be produced to cover any drought periods in the Christ Church area, as apparently, pumping stations across Barbados are not interlinked, so water cannot be pumped between stations. Surplus water would have been available at cost plus handling charges, but not at a profit.
    Desalinating sea water to produce potable water has a residue called brine. There are several methods of dealing with this residue and the one suggested by the waterpark is the same that is being used at Sandy Lane and by IONICS at Spring Garden. However, the Bird Sanctuary and the NIMBYs on the hill are adamant (without having seen any plans) that the waterpark will be dumping brine into the swamp (another whole lie).
    The discussions with the Water Authority all took place before the application was made.

  68. John

    mebajan2
    June 8th, 2007 at 5:21 pm

    “And finally, if paying a bribe has resulted in this application taking 3 years to reach the stage that it is at, what is the going rate to get a decision in say 3 months? and are there different rates for different government departments?

    Please publish, as I would like to see the smiles on the faces of my colleagues inthese departments!!”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The more the word “bribe” is used the more likely it is to interest the Law Enforcement Agencies in the US.

    Any smiles which you say your collegues in Government Departments currently have will disappear.

    “Corrupt payment to foreign politicians outlawed since 1977 by the US”, remember that phrase.

    Keep using the B word and Mr. Kerrins, Barbados, you and your colleagues are going to attract the attention of those Law Enforcement Agencies.

    All those “shopping” visits to Miami will end.

  69. mebajan2

    John,
    “Shopping visits to Miami will end.”? Shame on you!! You are assuming that the briber and bribees will come forward and make themselves known. I am only interested in the going rates for the different departments, because some of the bloggers on BFP are adamant (even confident) that this is hapenning or has happened.
    I agree with your concern though and am willing to blog about facts, as long as there is a level playing field for all.
    At the moment it would appear that the odds are stacked up against 99.999999% of the population of Barbados and that a group of about 10 or so are dictating what they think should be debated to the detriment of the laughter of children and adults alike.

  70. John

    mebajan2
    June 8th, 2007 at 8:19 pm
    John,

    “Shopping visits to Miami will end.”? Shame on you!! You are assuming that the briber and bribees will come forward and make themselves known.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    …. or that the long arm of the law will put an end to their shenanigans.

    I really don’t assume any briber or bribee to come forward. It might be the decent thing to do but bribery isn’t decent so I don’t assume anything decent to come from the briber or bribee.

    What I expect is that they will be rooted out by straightforward honest to God police work.

    I kind of like the use of the B word you have adopted because the more lights that shine on these people the more likely their acts will be closed down.

    So, keep on using the B word.

    Don’t stop on my account.

    If you can add the phrase “corrupt payments to foreign politicians” every now and again, so much the better.

    ….. and even better if you link the corrupt payments to foreign politicians to US citizens or Corporations.

  71. right on

    All this mumbo jumbo of dis and dat. Our pastor Griffith brung our church group that plan for national park by friends of graeme hall comitte. we gonna get those bikes with built on umbrellas. now we gonna get to shoot arrows everywhere ? you look at that internet the cost of playing that stupid game thousands dollars !! he tell me I can’t afford water park. I spend 150dollars every week at cheffette. I think I can affoed water park. my children dont want to walk in blazin sun on your park and we cant afford that arrow sport. must be one of those friends comitte who likes sport and wants us the people to pay millions for his silly game. we also get another bowtanical garden and fish pond when we can walk across strret and fish good fish. this whole thing very smelly. bajan people give 300,000,000.00 for this silly park. you crazy man. who are these friends only comitte comitte and same camittee. they are like mongoose in the night. anybody tell me there names out there. people tell me you get big money for tearing our govrment apart and saying smelly things out of your mouths. I call you people the robbing comittee. no way ever you get that national park we need hospital education and cheaper homes first !!!

  72. John

    mebajan2
    June 8th, 2007 at 8:19 pm
    John,

    “At the moment it would appear that the odds are stacked up against 99.999999% of the population of Barbados and that a group of about 10 or so are dictating what they think should be debated to the detriment of the laughter of children and adults alike.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    99.999999% of the current population of Barbados, lets say 268000 persons is 267,999.9973 persons.

    What you are saying is that 0.0027 Bajans appear to be dictating what they think should be debated to the detriment of the laughter of children and adults alike.

    Your estimate of 10 persons is way off the percentage you quote.

    Next time you are around Bajans ask them if they are aware of BFP and if the contribute.

    Then make another guess at the percentage and if necessary, revise the number of persons who do participate in this blog.

    You do realise that the 267,999.9973 Bajans do not have to read the Blog and if only 0.0027 persons do, you have nothing to worry about.

    Even Minister Lynch could do better than this.

  73. Fuzzy

    Kerins can continue to lobby individual points re the EIA to justify the waterpark, but the real issue is about land use on the last remaining green parcel on the South Coast.

    It’s political now. The technical discussions have little to do with what will happen at Graeme Hall.

    Mr. Kerins, has it occurred to you that the government of Barbados could help you fast-track an alternate site? It would be a lot easier, and a lot cheaper. The Graeme Hall forces are growing stronger every day.

  74. Justasking

    mebajan2
    June 8th, 2007 at 5:21 pm
    Justasking
    Let’s get back to my comment about “quote”.
    YOU HAVE DONE IT AGAIN.
    ————————————————————-
    Mebajan2, I quoted the comments of the various government departments to show that the regulatory agencies did not support the water park at Graeme Hall. A fact that you have not denied. Of course the water park consultants did not agree with the comments of the regulatory agencies. However their professional duty is to protect this country and its citizens while the consultant’s job is to promote the interests of their client. It seems you have access to the EIA so you post the consultant’s replies and see if it bolsters your contention that I have quoted selectively. My bet is you will not because the consultant’s replies were very lame. Basically they just disagreed with what the Government Agencies said, as would be expected

    You seem to be an insider and know what’s going on and from your comments it is clear that the recommendation was against the water park and Kerins has now asked for a hearing and has been or is in the process of going through that procedure.

    It would be amazing at this stage if the regulatory agencies will now turn around and contradict everything they have said before. We can take it that their position stands. Kerins position seems to be that he was given certain verbal assurances by certain persons (obviously not the regulatory agencies) and he is holding them to their word.

    One really has to wonder who these people are that led Kerins to believe that it would be plain sailing for his water park.

    I am inclined to agree with Fuzzy that at this stage it’s political. The technical discussions have little to do with what will happen at Graeme Hall. The “decider”, to quote George Bush, will need to make the final decision.

  75. Justasking

    mebajan2
    June 8th, 2007 at 5:47 pm
    Peltdownman
    You asked where the water is coming from and I told you to get Justasking to let you read his copy of the EIA and the Addendum.
    However, this may take a long time to come to fruition, as it appears that it can only be used to espouse half truths.
    ——————————————————–
    Mebajan2, once again why don’t you ask Mr. Kerins and Mr. Loughlin to post a copy of the EIA and addendum on the web so we can judge who has espoused half truths. I have challenged them to do this on this blog on several occasions but to date just silence.

  76. Justasking

    mebajan2
    June 8th, 2007 at 5:47 pm
    Desalinating sea water to produce potable water has a residue called brine. There are several methods of dealing with this residue and the one suggested by the water park is the same that is being used at Sandy Lane and by IONICS at Spring Garden. However, the Bird Sanctuary and the NIMBYs on the hill are adamant (without having seen any plans) that the waterpark will be dumping brine into the swamp (another whole lie).
    The discussions with the Water Authority all took place before the application was made.
    ——————————————————-
    Mebajan2, Funny that you should bring up the subject up the subject of brine and desalination. If you don’t mind I will quote a bit (selectively of course!) from your document (EIA and Addendum).
    EIA Page 21 – In order to achieve the required non-potable water demand for the water park it is estimated that 94000 (ninety four thousand) gallons per day will be pumped out as feed water to the desalination plant. In the process 50% or 47000 (forty seven thousand) gallons will be lost as brine.
    You say in your post “There are several methods of dealing with this residue and the one suggested by the waterpark is the same that is being used at Sandy Lane and by IONICS at Spring Garden.” My understanding is that they are putting the residue (as you call it) into brine wells.
    So what you are saying is that Kerins plans to pump 47000 gallons of brine per day into a well in the Graeme Hall watershed? In this watershed the surface and subterranean water and any contaminants contained therein ultimately drain to the lowest point, which just happens to be the Swamp and Graeme Hall Nature Sanctuary, a National Heritage Site.
    Are Sandy Lane and IONICS disposing of their brine in wells in a watershed that will ultimately end up in a wetland and sensitive ecosystem?
    This is what the Environmental Protection Department (EPD) had to say on page 22 of the Addendum with regard to “Wastewater Management and Disposal”
    “There is insufficient information about the quantities , flow rates and quality/composition of wastewater (including wastewater from sanitary facilities, food preparation showers, pools and rides and brine from the proposed desalination plant) expected to be generated from the proposed facility, Several wastewater disposal options are proposed, but there is not enough discussion of the pros and cons of each option, or of the potential impacts of the recommended options (i.e. connection to the south coast, Sewerage System). There is also a lack of information about the disposal of brine from the desalination plant and the related impacts of said disposal.”
    Response to these comments by developer’s consultants.
    “As previously stated, once final designs for the project have been prepared, the developers will be able to provide details of expected wastewater volumes including that from sanitary facilities……….. Similarly, finalization of the design of the desalination plant will provide an indication of the quantity of brine which will likely be generated. We therefore consider that these are all design issues which can not possibly be provided at the outline application stage. Such details will be provided to the EPD once the conditions for proceeding to final design stage are known.”
    Really? Developer will provide the details once conditions proceeding to final design stage are known? That is called putting the cart before the horse
    No wonder the EPD commented on Page 16 of the Addendum “Generally the report was found to be unacceptable because little actual information was provided about the nature, magnitude and scope of the development’s potential impacts. In cases where impacts were assessed as significant or not significant, insufficient information was presented to provide a clear rationale for this assessment. The document provides information at the level of a scoping study, in that it identifies some of the issues and impacts that are likely to be important, but the level of information provided about these issues and impacts is not adequate for this to be considered to be a satisfactory EIA”.

    What more can I add? With the kind of comments made by the Governments regulatory agencies how could any right thinking person give approval to a water park based on a wholly unsatisfactory EIA.

  77. me bajan 2

    will the real alan marshall stand up

  78. me bajan 2

    stop hiding alan if you feel this is true than come out and state your name.

  79. me bajan 2

    alan please tell the rest of barbados who is to pay for the national park. you!!! or the people on the ridge!!!

  80. for sure

    me bajan 2

    get your facts straight before putting your mouth into gear

    Click to access GHSection6-Final.pdf

    “Funding Options
    The opportunity to create the new Graeme Hall National Park can be based on a multi-faceted programme financed by the IADB, European Union, and international grant funds, and a strong network of public and private stakeholders:”

    but we will all pay dearly for the waterpark! that’s for sure.

  81. Allan

    me baja 2 , will the real Matthew Kerins stand

  82. Anonymous

    For Sure, how can that imbecile mebajan2 get his facts straight when he spends his time insulting those “on the hill” by calling them NIMBYS. It wouldn’t take Einstein to figure out WHO and WHAT he is.

  83. right on

    I dont care who lives in them bigb homes on ridge. they got good education and work hard. they deserve fruits of labor. they aint gonna steal that valuable land from bajan people.we vexed because now they very greedy people. they want nobody there so they take land from us with some sugar coated silly ass national park. they don’t want water park lets build cheaper homes there. they dont want that to. HUH !! who you kiddin. my church group now knows whats goin on. we gonna look for computers now. you will hear our voices soon. you tearing our govrment about and anything else. you part those trini terrorist group of heathens ?? I think you should be investigated. Nobody want that silly ass national park !! you gonna have ambulances there when we get heat stroke from walkin in blazin sun from the garden path you leading bajans to.. another bowtanical garden and shooting arrows all over the place. Jesus Lord of Mwercy !! Bajans aint dat stupid child.

  84. Waterboy

    Anonymous
    June 9th, 2007 at 11:16 am
    For Sure, how can that imbecile mebajan2 get his facts straight when he spends his time insulting those “on the hill” by calling them NIMBYS. It wouldn’t take Einstein to figure out WHO and WHAT he is.
    ——————————————————
    Anonymous,

    NIMBYS, Natives who knows what will be next from Mebajan2. You better watch out or he will come for you. He is mad as hell that a bunch of natives and NIMBYS ask questions about Kerins waterpark. Takes is downright personal!

  85. Salt of The Earth?

    Salt Water, when desalinated, leads to two things.
    Salt – and water.
    We know what to do with the water.
    But what about the salt?

    Is salt a useful commodity?
    Maybe we can think of a use for salt (cooking? flavouring food?)

    Sounds to me like we’re disposing of a perfectly good resource, that’s half of the desal effort!

  86. Anonymous

    Thanks for the warning, Waterboy. Sickos usually take things personal and get nasty! I got broad shoulders.

  87. Anonymous

    right on,..
    if your church group ‘knew what was going on’,
    they wun’t be now lookin for computers in yr. 2007, after the rest of us done computerise these last 10-15 yrs. now.

    Maybe your church group should stay away from computers: they are the work of the Devil himself.
    They work by pure White Man’s Magic! (technology)
    – not a good thing!
    Take my advice and DO NOT COMPUTERISE.
    Stick with the old ways.

    Listen to the Closed Brethren…The Devil occupies the air waves, and is a technological S.O.B.!!

    You shouldn’t be listening to RADIO,
    or speaking on CELL PHONES.
    These tech “advances: are not good for you,only for me.
    Seriously…take my advice and stick wid de old, yuh heer?

  88. J. Payne

    Re: # Somebody Help Barbados
    June 6th, 2007 at 4:15 pm
    [ . . . ]
    there are some water parks in the states and Cananda that you can visit and not complete in 1 day…in that case you have to go back…but after we see your half acre park(by taking out a line od credit) who say we gun be repeat visitors…you should join up with trevor eastmod and you and kerin can become comedians…because you two seem to be good at making people laugh….

    Me: Hi Somebody Help Barbados,

    I agree. There’s a few in the USA as well the closest one to Boston would have to be Water Country. The main difference that you’d probably see between Water Country and- this park in Barbados is every few years Water Country puts in place the newsest fastest ride and advertises it all over TV as well. Then as soon as you get the chance to ride that. A few years later they have something new asking people to come again. I’m not soo sure this one in Barbados is going tobe able to keep constructing-deconstructing-constructing-deconstructing all the time soo around a sensative place like the Graeme Hall swamp…. But as another member on hear already stated the wildly mostly birds. Will be a big problem in keeping this water sanitary. And the high level of chlorine in the water if allowed to flow into the swamp at any time could kill some of the wildlife.

  89. J. Payne

    Re: # Somebody Help Barbados
    June 6th, 2007 at 4:15 pm
    [ . . . ]

    But as another member on hear already stated the wildlife (mostly birds), will be a big problem in keeping this water sanitary. And the high level of chlorine in the water if allowed to flow into the swamp at any time could kill some of the wildlife.

  90. me bajan 2

    will somebody from b.w.a.please tell everyone how much chlorine is in the drinking water?

  91. me bajan 2

    hey allan will your national park flower center put andromede gardens and flower forest out of business.
    just asking?

  92. John

    me bajan 2
    June 9th, 2007 at 5:44 pm
    will somebody from b.w.a.please tell everyone how much chlorine is in the drinking water?
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If you are the same as mebajan2, please realise that as you pointed out earlier only 0.0027 Bajans take part in this blog and dictate what is or is not to be debated.

    This means unfortunately that no one from BWA will be available to answer your question.

    Why don’t you try and answer it yourself by searching the internet?

  93. Anonymous

    Me bajan2 or is it Mebajan2? Maybe you are morphing into something or someone else?

    I see you have been a busy little bee today. Look, we know your boss is angry because his unsatisfactory (according to EPD) water park EIA and Addendum have been exposed.

    We know it really hurts to have all those facts from the EIA quoted for all to see. As per your request I actually quoted a reply from Kerins consultant (“Such details will be provided to the EPD once the conditions for proceeding to final design stage are known.”). Ouch that really hurt.

    We know that according to you that “most of the commentators from the various government departments are running scared”. Guess they haven’t had good nights sleep in weeks! Still trembling with fear of the wrath to come!

    We know that according to you “so much nodding of heads took place at the presentations to Board members of BADMC” and now you are wondering what the heck went wrong.

    We know that according to you “it took the Ministry of Agriculture 9 months to acknowledge that a copy of the proposal for the waterpark had been hand-delivered to their offices before discussions took place with the BADMC” and that you still don’t understand why the Ministry of Agriculture is against the project. They are against the water park? Thought it was only the NIMBYS on the hill, Bird Sanctuary and the Government regulatory agencies? Definitely a conspiracy.

    We know that you said “Picture further the scene that the legislation creating the BADMC appears to state that the Minister of Agriculture only has to receive the minutes of the Board meeting, AND that he cannot influence ANY decision taken by the Board (that’s the quasi- bit)”. Mr. Minister of Agriculture, take note that Mebajan2, water park insider and former consultant has said that you cannot influence any decision taken by the board of BADMC. The water park is coming to the lands currently used by your Ministry and you can like it or lump it!

    We know that according to you “that there were some very top level meetings with VERY important people and that everyone kept nodding approval at those meetings. There should be about 30 copies of a very classy presentation package being hidden away in the vaults of these people right now. Perhaps Mr. Kerins is waiting for the right time to informs US, the Bajan public”. Please, please stop making empty threats. Ask Kerins to inform us the Bajan public as well as the NIMBYS and the natives. Come on knock our socks off with that classy presentation. Kerins bowled the BADMC board over for sure but it seems not the regulatory agencies and the Ministry of Agriculture. Let him dazzle the Bajan public.

    I was not at the Town Hall meeting last year but I heard that those present were not at all impressed with the developer’s presentation. So hope this one is a new one for his sake.

    Well at least us natives can sleep well at night knowing that our regulatory agencies and Ministry of Agriculture have done their job and given their professional advice so that when the time comes the “decider” can make the right decision.

    Mebajan2 and Me bajan 2 have a great weekend!

  94. Justaskin

    Sorry, that last post was by “Justasking” not “anonymous”.

  95. right on

    You justasking and anonomous. you 2 people ? Tell me just this. whos gonna pay for this silly ass national park. how much is it gonna cost to build. itsa big place and how much to keep up each year? nothing ever mentioned about that in that plan we shown. I aint paying naught son!!! you take up a collection and pay yourself. you not one of those comunist that just take things from the people? we vote here. I meet with my church group tomorrow and we will pray for the good Lords guidance and pastor Griffiths

  96. for sure

    right on,

    I already gave me bajan2 the infromation about funding but see the link again below. It is all there on the website for you to see (unlike the water park) and when you get the rest of those members of your church their computers be sure to let them check the site.

    At least then they will be able to post sensible and infromed comments.

    I hope that when your church group meets tomorrow that your prayers will be answered and the Lord will give you the guidance you asked for.

    Here is a small piece of scripture that that I am sure is well known to you.

    We are people who place our faith in God as creator, sustainer, and ultimate owner of creation, who hope in God to restore and reconcile creation to its fullness, who are imparted with a love for that which God loves. Therefore we are impelled to act in behalf of creation. God has created humans with the awesome privilege and responsibility to serve and care for creation. In turn, creation serves humankind (Genesis 2:15, 16). Living within God’s created order brings social harmony, material sufficiency for human needs, and personal fulfillment.

    I will also remember you in my prayers. God bless.

    for sure
    June 9th, 2007 at 10:13 am
    me bajan 2

    get your facts straight before putting your mouth into gear

    Click to access GHSection6-Final.pdf

    “Funding Options
    The opportunity to create the new Graeme Hall National Park can be based on a multi-faceted programme financed by the IADB, European Union, and international grant funds, and a strong network of public and private stakeholders:”

    but we will all pay dearly for the waterpark! that’s for sure.

  97. chetwistindewind

    Here is some material from the Friends of Graeme Hall:

    “For those of you who have been to the Graeme Hall Nature Sanctuary, you know that this land is an oasis of tranquility, beauty and refuge – a place that recharges the human soul as God had intended.

    We are acutely aware that we are but temporary stewards of God’s Creation, and that it is our responsibility to ensure that these lands will be protected and saved for our children, and our children’s children, for the next 200 years and more. The proposed Graeme Hall National Park is a legacy for the people of Barbados, in perpetuity.”

    ————————

    “The Earth is the Lord’s and everything in it; the world, and all that lives upon it.” (Psalm 24:1)

    “We are people who place our faith in God as creator, sustainer, and ultimate owner of creation, who hope in God to restore and reconcile creation to its fullness, who are imparted with a love for that which God loves. Therefore we are impelled to act in behalf of creation. God has created humans with the awesome privilege and responsibility to serve and care for creation. In turn, creation serves humankind (Genesis 2:15, 16).”

  98. right on

    you fotgot shelter the homeless and feed the poor I guess you dont have to worry about that. that land can shelter many people. we gonna start organizing

  99. mebajan2

    hey right on, I agree with you if no water park than lets put afforadble housing or offer the land in a lottery for single mothers with children.
    But i must say that i’am dissapointed that the friends of graeme hall would stoop to using the lords name for a personal gain. It makes me wonder why they have never been a voice of the people of barbados when golf courses or subdivisions are destroying
    agriculture lands. The friends of graeme hall should apologize for using the lords name in vain.

  100. mebajan2

    I will pray for them

  101. mebajan2

    To all at b.f.p.and freind of graeme hall, If your conerns are about the future of your children, country, and your national park, maybe you should spend some money on much wiser things such as not alowing trinidad from taking over your country.
    Then you will have nothing!!!

    allan get your priorities in order

  102. John

    mebajan2
    June 10th, 2007 at 1:50 pm
    hey right on, I agree with you if no water park than lets put afforadble housing or offer the land in a lottery for single mothers with children.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Why would we need more houses when the population of Barbados is not growing?

    Why not just make housing more affordable.

    It is only since the number of houses has increased that the price has increased too!!

    Mybe we should try reducing the number of houses and see if we could get the price to come down.

    One thing is sure, if there are fewer houses to build competition for work increases and prices come down!!

  103. Crusty

    Seems that plenty people have swallowed the line
    about a land shortage in Barbados. Take a Sunday
    drive and look at all the rab land sitting idle for
    however many years.

    Where to site a water park is a fundamental issue.
    Developer wants a site near the main highway and
    close to population. Bath does not qualify on this
    basis. But Newton and any number of locations up
    Highway 2 would fit. How about buried in one of
    the old quarries?

    National Park advocates want a site close to
    population in part because we lack public parks.
    Graeme Hall Swamp certainly qualifies.

  104. John

    There will be a water shortage long before a land shortage.

    In fact we have a water shortage now but as Crusty says driving about you will see lots of “rab” land!!

    The shortage is expressed during the year by certain districts having intermittent supply. The number of those districts which are affected increases when the dry season comes.

    Rain relieves the shortage because it removes the demand for irrigation water. So these last couple of days of heavy rain almost certainly will have eased the woes in those districts affected which cried out for water up to last week. Wonder what Greenland looks like?

    Next time the dry season comes around, there will be more districts crying out for water. It is a natural cycle. The available sources of easily available fresh water in the Coral area are committed fully. Just check Appendix A28 of the 2005 Economic and Social Report and look at Water Output. It is stuck and has been since 1995/6.

    Outside of the Scotland District, the possible locations of the Water Park will be limited by the location of “sheet water” and underlying salt water which occurs around the coastline and a certain way inland as well as through the St. George Valley.

    If the land which is already developed or spoken for in terms of Zone 1 is removed there are really very few places where the Water Park could go where sea water is easily available and would not have to be piped.

    In Christ Church, there is the current spot under debate, Gibbons Bogs where the aviation fuel has contaminated the ground water and along the plain under Wilcox Hill used at the moment for vegetable production and housing. Newton is too far inland to be able to bore to “sheet water” and its underlying salt water.

    Parts of St. Lucy qualify. There is a highway down that side and it leads right to the affluent St. Peter and St. James population centres. Its MP is constantly crying out for development although I am not too sure what his position would be on the Water Park.

    Lets say St. Peter and St. James disqualify themselves because of land prices and water. All the land over the sheet water area is spoken for or earmarked for high end development.

    The Rayside Quarry at PlumTree will probably affect Trents Pumping Station and is probably too far inland, like Newton in Christ Church, to allow access to the “sheet water” and underlying salt water.

    Most of the St. George valley is out because of the pulic water supply. Between Hampton pumping station and the sea in the St. Philip area is suitable. There is water, population, highways, everything.

    Mr. Kerrins might have to buy the land but if he is so hellbent on having a water park, whats the problem. If he needs to lease Government land to make it viable then it comes down to finding the land Government owns up that side. There is the Home Agricultural Station, ….. oops, back to agriculture.

    St. Thomas is out as are parts of St. John and St. Joseph out of the Scotland District as there is no “sheet water” and underlying salt water there. Extracting water here would be reducing the water available for the public water supply not to menton adding a contamination source.

    On the other hand, the water resources of the Scotland District falling in the Parishes of St. Andrew and parts of St. Joseph and St. John are largely untouched. Remember, Bath was given as a possible site for the Water Park at the beginning.

    For me it would be close to sacrilege to put a Water Park down there or anywhere in the Scotland District National Park a la Mr. Kerrins.

    But that is another story, ……. another fight.

  105. right on

    Pastor Griffiths says I should not use the term silly ass national park anymore. its disrespectful but he thinks it is not wise to do. cost to much money says he. better use of that valuable land and better places for a national park like scotland district and Bath area. I got a good idea. you always complain about water so they should put a carnival there. they don’t use water. no water no problem. you got your bird place already so you dont need farm land for that. who ever heard of national park that is farm land. thata crazy !!

  106. mebajan2

    the reason for wanting to use goverment land is so they can keep the entry cost down if you had to spend 20,000,000.00 on land acquisition it would be hard to keep the entry fee affordable .but with a lease you can keep the entry fee down and more affordable to the locals.

  107. mebajan2

    john you are right about the water shortage in certin areas, but i was told that caribbean splash is putting in a desalination plant and that could help in the christ church area when there is a shortage.

  108. Justasking

    mebajan2
    June 11th, 2007 at 12:38 pm
    john you are right about the water shortage in certin areas, but i was told that caribbean splash is putting in a desalination plant and that could help in the christ church area when there is a shortage.
    ————————————————————–
    Mebajan2,

    Is Mr. Kerins still planning to pump 47,000 gallons for brine into a well in the watershed?

    You never responded to my previous post. Maybe you are waiting on Mr. Kerins to get back to you?Here is the relevant part again just in case you missed it.

    EIA Page 21 – In order to achieve the required non-potable water demand for the water park it is estimated that 94000 (ninety four thousand) gallons per day will be pumped out as feed water to the desalination plant. In the process 50% or 47000 (forty seven thousand) gallons will be lost as brine.
    You say in your post “There are several methods of dealing with this residue and the one suggested by the waterpark is the same that is being used at Sandy Lane and by IONICS at Spring Garden.” My understanding is that they are putting the residue (as you call it) into brine wells.
    So what you are saying is that Kerins plans to pump 47000 gallons of brine per day into a well in the Graeme Hall watershed? In this watershed the surface and subterranean water and any contaminants contained therein ultimately drain to the lowest point, which just happens to be the Swamp and Graeme Hall Nature Sanctuary, a National Heritage Site.
    Are Sandy Lane and IONICS disposing of their brine in wells in a watershed that will ultimately end up in a wetland and sensitive ecosystem?
    This is what the Environmental Protection Department (EPD) had to say on page 22 of the Addendum with regard to “Wastewater Management and Disposal”
    “There is insufficient information about the quantities , flow rates and quality/composition of wastewater (including wastewater from sanitary facilities, food preparation showers, pools and rides and brine from the proposed desalination plant) expected to be generated from the proposed facility, Several wastewater disposal options are proposed, but there is not enough discussion of the pros and cons of each option, or of the potential impacts of the recommended options (i.e. connection to the south coast, Sewerage System). There is also a lack of information about the disposal of brine from the desalination plant and the related impacts of said disposal.”

    When Mr. Kerins did that classy presentation to the BADMC board did he tell them what he was going to do with the 47,000 gallons of brine or “residue” as you like to call it?

    Did Mr. Kerins do that classy presentation for EDP as well? Seems they definitely were not impressed.

  109. Justasking

    mebajan2
    June 11th, 2007 at 12:29 pm
    the reason for wanting to use goverment land is so they can keep the entry cost down if you had to spend 20,000,000.00 on land acquisition it would be hard to keep the entry fee affordable .but with a lease you can keep the entry fee down and more affordable to the locals.
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    Mebajan 2, that is called a subsidy. So you want the barbadian taxpayer to subsidise Mr. Kerins commercial venture?

    Is the water park going to be run as a non-profit?

  110. mebajan2

    Allan, are you recieving any sort of payment for yor efforts from the people on the ridge.

    just asking?

  111. mebajan2

    one more thing allan, get in touch with
    c.t.p. to up date you on some things.maybe you are not up to speed.

  112. Peltdown Man

    mebajan2

    the reason for wanting to use goverment land is so they can keep the entry cost down if you had to spend 20,000,000.00 on land acquisition it would be hard to keep the entry fee affordable .but with a lease you can keep the entry fee down and more affordable to the locals.
    __________________________________

    Justasking was dead on. On what possible basis would the Bajan taxpayer subsidise a foreign company to operate a commercial venture of any kind in Barbados? To make it cheaper for Bajans to have fun?!! With that one blog alone, mebajan2, you have obviated the need for all other comments. The alternative that Kerins might suggest is “Okay, give me $20 million and I’ll go away”. Unbelievable.

  113. J. Payne

    “Justasking was dead on. On what possible basis would the Bajan taxpayer subsidise a foreign company to operate a commercial venture of any kind in Barbados?”

    Don’t forget doesn’t Barbados subsidize the cost of US airlines to fly into Barbados????

  114. Waterboy

    mebajan2
    June 8th, 2007 at 3:45 pm
    Fuzzy,
    I would like to agree with you about Kerins probably being a bit “fast and loose with his money”, if prior to the application for the waterpark being submitted, I was not aware that there were some very top level meetings with VERY important people and that everyone kept nodding approval at those meetings. There should be about 30 copies of a very classy presentation package being hidden away in the vaults of these people right now.Perhaps Mr. Kerins is waiting for the right time to informs US, the Bajan public.
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    Peltdown Man, I agree. The following quotes seem to indicate that the developer is holding a couple of aces up his sleeve. Or are they threats?

    Quotes from Mebajan2

    “Perhaps Mr. Kerins is waiting for the right time to informs US, the Bajan public.”

    “let me give you an answer from the inside looking out….it would appear that there has been such a cock-up in the handling of this application that most of the commentators from the various government departments are running scared “

  115. Yardbroom

    Am I missing something here, why is Barbados a small island in the Caribbean, surrounded by some of the most sparkling waters in the world, getting all steamed up about having a Water Park on a precious site.

    Graeme Hall is one of the few places in Barbados, where one can sit in solitude surrounded by the beauty of nature. To despoil what we have, which is precious to us for one of the many quick fix money grabbing schemes which from time to time descend on our shores, is mindless madness.

    Enough said.

  116. Peltdown Man

    Yardbroom

    Enough said, indeed!

  117. “mebajan 2”- You are so flagrantly in the pockets of Kerins and his promoters that your slick distortions and outright lies are a waste of time.

    You spend so much time fighting public opinion I get the impression you may even be on Kerins’ payroll as another “advisor.”

    If you want to produce “facts” tell us precisely who received that US$2million Kerins boasted he has “invested” at the Town Hall Meeting. We met the companies who prepared the feasibility reports for him, but the work they did would never justify that sort of outlay.

    Until you or another of his crooked cronies come out and tell us how that money was spent, the strong suspicion of bribery to public officials hangs over your heads. Speak up if you dare!

  118. mebajan2

    i say if not a water park than lets put affordable housing for single moms with kids. tell me allan how will you and the hypocrites on the ridge fight them
    just asking!!!

  119. mebajan2

    also please advise all that the national park will be a breeding ground dengue feaver .

  120. mebajan2

    yardbroom, can you tell me that dinner and dancing with the merry men is so tranquil for you and the birds. I thought music from the water park would have an effect on the birds nesting
    just asking

  121. mebajan2

    allan , i know now why you don’t care about entry fees

    (your white )

  122. Yardbroom

    mebajan2
    I generally sit in the afternoon or early evening, the merry men are not playing then.

  123. Stuart Heaslet

    The Merry Men as well as other events and admission fees, pay for not-for-profit Sanctuary operations. Other, louder groups have been prevented from in playing at the Sanctuary, and sound checks are always performed to ensure that the natural habitat is not adversely affected.

    Harry Roberts, general manager of the Sanctuary has faced a difficult mandate from Mr. Allard, owner of the Sanctuary: Make Sanctuary operations break even, but do not destroy the beauty and tranquility of the site with continuous high-density and high-volume entertainment.

    Most who visit the Sanctuary agree that it is one of the few places in Barbados where it is possible to take a break from the hustle of the island. Harry has done an admirable job maintaining this balance, and as a result of his efforts, operations are expected to be at or near break even within the next 12 months.

    People may want to keep in mind that the Sanctuary is an unusual international private-sector conservation model. About 10% of the total Sanctuary lands are actually open to visitors and special events. Money earned from this relatively small section of the Sanctuary has been paying for professional management of remaining wetland, mangrove woodland and wildlife habitat.

  124. Yardbroom

    One other observation, when the Merry Men or any other band for that matter stop playing, Graeme Hall will still be there, if Graeme Hall is laid waste under tons of concrete, it will be gone forever.

    In this new world of nature awareness, it would be a National disgrace to deprive our children and grandchildren of the natural beauty, we have in Barbados.

    Nature’s natural beauty is like the petals of a delicate flower, once ravaged and dislodged they cannot be put together again.

  125. mebajan2.1

    Me bajan 2 from mebajan2
    Your slip is showing. If you wish to steal my monicker in order to help expose selfish citizens like “justasking” (or is it allan johnson, as you would have us to believe), then please have the courtesy to leave out the spaces and join up the word. Also, at school I was always reminded of syntax, syntax, syntax. Get it right please.

    To all the other bloggers……I am now back at work and ready to resume where I left off last Friday, 8th June.

    to justasking
    I see that you still do not understand the brine issue. I am no expert (and I do not know Mr. Kerins, but I do know most of the “contractors” that would have been involved. I am frustrated that those who have the necessary resources to “frighten” or even threaten other citizens of Barbados are hell-bent on spewing out as much bile as possible and it is crystal clear that this is just a few who do not wish to see this development (Not In My Back Yard (NIMBY)).

    Democracy is about a level playing field and if the only avenues that ordinary citizens have to challenge tripe like what is being placed on BFP, is beng blocked by the NIMBYs on the hill, just because they have a gripe against the government of the day, then there is no hope for our future.

    But back to the brine…. As I said before, I am no expert, so I had to do a little investigation on this one. I have been told that during these supposedly pre discussions with the various government departments, mention was made of siting the return well for the brine 300 feet down somewhere in the vicinity of the Top Rock roundabout (just at the back of Plantations where there is also a well at present). I was also told that if you then were to compare the elevation of that area and that of the swamp, you will find that there is a significant drop from the swamp down to the roundabout.
    So unless someone has discovered a means of making water flow uphill (and that is what the brine residue will be), then it looks like there should not be a problem. But don’t rely on my sources…ask the Barbados Water Authority experts. Hope that shuts you up now “justasking”.

    John
    June 11th, 2007 at 4:57 am

    There will be a water shortage long before a land shortage.

    John….it would appear that you forgot to mention River Plantation and I have it on good sources that there is plenty of “sheetwater” there that could satisfy the requirements of the waterpark. But why not put the National park there?..Just stirring!!

    To all..this blog has started to bore me, so anyone who wishes to use the mebajan2 monicker can help themselves from now on, because if I return again, I will come under another disguise…perhaps as “justasking” or church loving “righton” or even “pastor griffiths”.

    Bye for now…my chest feels lighter already…and I now know the names of at least five of the ten NIMBYs!!!!!

  126. NIMBY

    You mean apart from being a pain in the tail you’re another one of those ISP hackers?

  127. right on

    Yardbroom wants to sweep us Bajans away so he can rape every flower around. his point is good that he wants to sit in tranquil solitude which means he thinks of himself. he wants nobody near him . does this mean anybody who buys land also can own land around him without paying. this is the greatest rip-off in Barbados history. they cry and yell these bloggers about a democracy but don’t want anybody to vote on water park or that stupid costly national parr that going to rob all Bajans of money. $300,000,000.00 dollars for a few peoples SOLITUDE AS YARDBROOM STATED !! IT IS OUTRAGEOUS !!!! IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN !!! I gone.

  128. I never hear so much rubbish in my life as is now being poured out to try and support Caribbean Splash at the expense of Graeme Hall National Park!

    After months of nearly unanimous condemnation of Kerins’ selfserving project on this blogsite, all of a sudden there is a concerted, organised chorus of ignorance.

    If it were genuine, I would sympathise with their ghetto ignorance which claims to be eager to turn Graeme Hall agricultural lands into an extension of the barrackyards they have crawled from. “Homes for “single” mothers” indeed! As if there were not scores of better places for that.

    As it is, those of us who have been in this blog from its inception can recognise contrived sabotage when we read it. Kerins like he putting more money out to try and balance the scale which has long toppled against his crass opportunism.

  129. Barbados Wish

    Right On is not too bright. The people of Barbados already OWN the agricultural lands at Graeme Hall. Not government. Not BADMC. Not Kerins.

    Also Right On seems to have lost his accent. How cute.

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