Heard On The Streets Of Bridgetown, Barbados – Fact Or Only Rumours?

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Bajans are hearing rumours from many mouths about a lawsuit that has been launched from overseas naming the prime minister, cabinet ministers, judges, and businessmen.

According to our sources there are allegations of corruption and behind the scenes dealings in our country. We also hear a rumour that a reporter at The Nation News was told to “forget” about looking into the story. You KNOW that draws our attention like bees to honey! (Oh… awkward. If the rumours are true at all the bees won’t want any part of this story!)

That is pretty well what we’ve heard, but we’ve heard it from so many unrelated people that we’re wondering if there is some fire in all this smoke.

Barbados Free Press is looking to hear more and if anyone has specifics let us know.

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120 responses to “Heard On The Streets Of Bridgetown, Barbados – Fact Or Only Rumours?

  1. Anonymous

    what exactly is the nature of this lawsuit? This sounds very general? What type of lawsuit could possibly involve so many persons at the same time?

  2. Anonymous

    This might turn out to be another rumour……just like the one which says another woman recently gave birth to a child for Owen Arthur!!
    Is there anyway a member of public can check the registry to see how many time Owen S Arthur is listed as a father??

  3. akabozik

    I haven’t heard this rumour before.

  4. more

    I had a gut feeling today when I read the construction business post.

    I hope the court case rumour is true.

    Something has to happen. This bold-faced corruption could not just keep going unchallenged.

    BFP please give us more soon.

  5. Anonymous

    What is the construction business post and what initiated this gut feeling?

  6. Yardbroom

    Anonymous

    I do not know the foundation of these rumours and therefore will not at this juncture venture there, also I will not subscribe to the view that a person has or has not fathered a child.

    On a more substantive point is it a legal requirement for a father to be named on a birth certificate?

    I think not.

  7. Justice

    What kind of lawsuit could have so many defendants? On what basis can a judge be sued for giving a judgment? Is there any more to this rumour? And a lawsuit cannot result from a bribe since the briber is equally implicated. Sounds fishy to me…

  8. Thistle

    It will die a natural death, just as that FBI investigation of some Big Ups did a few years ago when it was alleged that – was it the Comptroller of Customs? – was involved. Mia squashed it one time. And what about the arrest of Tom Adams in Miami for possession of cocaine which was hidden up in Barbados, but splashed all over the Australian newspapers! When you got power you can make anything happen. Yes, bring on some talk about the Freemasons!

  9. Anonymous

    NNM yur link is to a bio on Chief Justice David Simmons. Is David Simmons being sued as chief Justice or from before? or when he was Attorney general? Is Simmons being sued? I don’t believe it or the papers would print it they can’t hide that he is too big to hide that story if he is being sued in another country. The prime minister too if the rumour is true is being sued in another country how could they hide that?

  10. Another Anonymous

    Is the lawsuit “from overseas” in Barbados or some other country?

  11. crossroads

    could it be a golf course issue?

  12. LLS?

    Maybe one of those flyover by night Ltd liability Societies? They probably have plenty of prinicples (principals?)

  13. concerned

    Will this be another story we will have to read in the international press because our press failed to cover it? Why the secrecy?

    Perhaps it is only rumour.

  14. Another Anonymous

    I meant

    ‘Is the lawsuit “from overseas” going to court in Barbados or in some other country?’

  15. more

    Anonymous I was anticipating the story on money laundering. Perhaps this rumour will be related.

  16. ?

    What is David Simmons relationship with the Nation newspaper anyway?

  17. natnews

    ? Comment went into space.
    what is David Simmons relationship with the Nation newspaper anyway?

  18. Anonymous

    This is not a rumor. Someone saw the court papers. I can find out more at work today.

  19. concerned

    Anonymous,
    Please find out if Hallam Nicholls, Glyne Bannister or David Shorey is involved?

  20. natnews

    Where can we get a copy of the court papers?

  21. Zulu

    natnews
    Got any friends in the registry? You may want to start there. That is how I found out that Mia has renewed her license to practise. Barbados is a small place and things can’t hide for long. Have patience and rumours and everything else will come to light if true. On the other hand, some ppl may end up with egg all over their you-know-what.
    And it won’t be their faces.

    ****************

    BFP Comments

    Hi Zulu

    I missed that. Mia has renewed her law license? When did this happen and do you have any additional details… It makes for a great headline!

    Robert

  22. BFP

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    BFP Comments

    Hi Zulu

    I missed that. Mia has renewed her law license? When did this happen and do you have any additional details… It makes for a great headline!

    Robert

  23. Anonymous

    I don’t see the drama in the fact that a lawyer might renew a license to practice, while otherwise temporarily involved in running government.
    This would be a routine thing to do, to keep it up with the times, wouldn’t you think?
    Renew it annually, or lose it, not so?
    and which professional wants to lose that, simple so, for lack of mere renewal??

    *******************

    BFP comments:

    The question is… Had the Deputy Prime Minister allowed her law license to lapse and is now renewing it?

    That is significant. If she has normally renewed it every year since being elected then it is not newsworthy. How about it… does anyone know if Mia’s license had previously lapsed?

  24. Wishing in Vain

    does anyone know if Mia’s license had previously lapsed.
    I do not know if it lapsed or not but I do know that she has lapsed in her ambition to be the next PM she is a spent force actually she may well be fighting for her seat in the house this is the result of a person who’s greed and verbose mouth has led her down the path of self destruction.
    Making homosexuality and prostitution legal was her strength and her voice, what a world we live in when a self confessed lesbian a minister of cabinet the deputy PM can inflict her wayward lifestyle on a nation, Owing is bad but can you guess what it would be like with Mottley as a leader???

  25. a friend

    My friend says if this case was filed in the registry she would know but she thinks she may have seen the papers and she thinks somebody may have made 3 copies of them.

  26. Wishing in Vain

    What are we talking about here,
    Our politicians are never carried to court nor are they ever charged so why are we making a mountain out of a mould hill??
    But who are we talking about as being involved with these legal actions could it be the developer of the waterpark bringing legal action against those he paid bribe money to ie Nicholls, Bannister and Owing for their failure to deliver on their promises for his water park????
    Or is corruption money not making it to the right bank accounts and someone is squealing like a stuck pig???
    Could the investigation into VECO the buliders of the storage facility and the Jail now hitting home????
    It could be a revelation as to how much and to who these flyovers are connected and who is the main actor here somehow the name bannister and Nicholls are on the tip of my tongue.

  27. akabozik

    If there were 3 copies made then there are probably a hundred copies floating about. Can anyone find one?

    No! What does that say?

    Like I say this morning I never heard of this. Could be a rumour and only a rumour. Bajans are famous for rumours and rumours. I don’t believe anything til I see some papers.

    No papers mean only a rumour. Waste of time BFP and get everyone excited for nothing.

  28. more

    BFP this suspense is torture, you need to give us more. We have longed for something to happen and we need to know for sure something is really happening.

  29. a friend

    My friend says somebody big up went crazy when the papers reached. She had to run for cover.
    The papers are real.
    Ask David or Owen.

  30. a friend

    Chambers in Bridgetown buzzing.

  31. Wishing in Vain

    This appears to be heating up do we have anything further to add to it??
    The part that stuns me is if it is true that a Judge or judges are implicated this is a sad day that our justice system is corrupt as well, guess the feeling that the CJ being straight out politics and becoming the CJ was not going to be a good call has come to pass the linkage between he the court system and politics was too close for comfort.

  32. Zulu

    BFP
    My source has promised me to post the info re: Mia’s renewal of license to practise law on this site.
    Will wait and see if the person keeps his/her word..

  33. Zulu

    License was not paid for in A while” my source said. There is no reason for me to doubt the person. Info from that source has always proven true. I would be surprised and perhaps disappointed were it not so this time around.

  34. Zulu

    ….”in a while…”

  35. Dr. Know

    Without going into details, I can assure you BFP .. there is validity to these rumours. You guys are going to have some kind of fun when this breaks.

  36. Wishing in Vain

    So there maybe more in the mortar than in the pestle? where are we going with this?

  37. Perchance

    WIV hopefully straight to the new polling districts and vote Owen and his floozies out.

  38. Wishing in Vain

    There is nothing that would make me happier to seen Owing,Mottley get kicked out office in no uncertain terms!!!!

  39. Anonymous

    Mia is a rapacious Politician. Her only reason for being in existence like Owen is to get all she can from businesses in the private sector.

  40. It IS Real!

    The list of names is who is who bout hey! bfp you get them soon eamil

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  42. Rumplestilskin

    Do not get too excited. Remember anyone can bring a lawsuit. There must be substance and evidence for liklihood of succeeding.

    There are also ‘nuisance’ actions etc, which might be instigated just to embarrass.

    Such as Sydney Burnett Alleyne would bring suits for some outlandish reason.

    So even if a suit has been filed, do not get too excited yet.

  43. Rumplestilskin

    Wishing in Vain says:”The part that stuns me is if it is true that a Judge or judges are implicated this is a sad day that our justice system is corrupt as well”

    Not so fast, as I said above, a lawsuit is thus that, it could be frivolous, designed to embarass and have little merit.

    Many people have axes to grind. Do not jump to conclusions.

  44. bajemonkey

    Hi Guys just to digress. I was under the impression that the BMW cars here for CWC were not to be sold to parlimentarians or their respective families. I was told today that William Duguids’mother bought one. Does anyone know if this true. Could you check on this BFP.

  45. Justasking

    Why not just ask Dr. Duguid? Dr. Duguid, did your mother or any family of yours purchase one of the so called CWC BMW cars?

  46. Anonymous

    Justasking
    May 25th, 2007 at 1:20 am
    Why not just ask Dr. Duguid? Dr. Duguid, did your mother or any family of yours purchase one of the so called CWC BMW cars?
    ******************************************
    Do not expect Dr. Duguid to provide a ” straight ” answer…..especially if he was overseas studying !

    Whenever he chooses to LIE…..that’s the line he uses !

  47. Wishing in Vain

    Duguid is quite likely the second most liard person in that party, and you exepect to get a straight reply out of him??? give me a break please!!!!

  48. Warrior

    The rape continues!!!

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  50. Wishing in Vain

    What are we hearing on this matter today???

  51. akabozik

    OK now I believe there is a lawsuit against the PM and many other big shots. I heard something this morning supposed to be claimed in the lawsuit. WOW. It sound true. I will email bfp now

  52. Anonymous

    Kingsland.

  53. Wishing in Vain

    Simmons, Bannister, Greaves, SBG could it be that this is the suit by an american investor against SBG???

  54. Wishing in Vain

    Please see below here is an extractfromthe site http://keltruth.com/
    The Government appears to be complicit in a transaction bereft of even minimum standards of transparency required in countries around the world,” says Allard. “This is something which should be a matter of concern to all Barbadians who rely on their Government to uphold laws which protect the interests of all citizens and assure foreign investors that Barbados respects and observes the rule of law.”

    Allard’s law firm has also written to Prime Minister Owen Arthur and Attorney General Dale Marshall this week advising them that he has elected to proceed according to the Additional Facility Rules of the International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes, established by the World Bank to handle disputes between investors and contracting states, of which Barbados is one.

    Allard’s lawyers have also presented to the Government his list of suggested arbitrators for the dispute and have asked the Barbadian Government to do likewise.

    ——————————————————————————–

    SYNOPSIS
    Kingsland Estates Ltd. (KEL) is a private, family-owned company comprising over 1,000 acres of prime real estate on or near to the ABC Highway and on the South Coast.

    A takeover bid by a company called SBG Development Corporation in the late 80’s to early 90’s failed.

    Other bids were made but did not go very far because, for one thing, KEL had not produced audited financial statements subsequent to the failed SBG bid. 1993 was the last time audited financial statements were produced by Coopers & Lybrand now PriceWaterhouseCoopers.

    In 1997 a company called Classic Investments Ltd. put forward a conditional proposal which was subject to a debt capping. All of the shareholders except one have accepted this proposal and signed contracts with Classic to sell their shares. Simplified, this offer is BDS$857,100 to each of the 7 shareholders, subject to debt-capping of BDS$11 million, and warranties that Mrs. Knox (a shareholder) could not make without a better knowledge of the financial state of the company.

    Mrs. Knox wanted to buy all of the other shares instead, but was required to pay cash with no conditions and no capping of the debt. Her requests for even basic financial information were refused. The reason given was that the company could not afford to provide this information.

    The offer from Classic entailed signing warranties which could not possibly be evaluated without the unavailable information. Mrs. Knox could not in good conscience sign the warranties.

    Forced to choose between selling her shares to an unknown entity for a price and terms which could not be substantiated by any financial information, and striving for her preemptive rights under the articles of the company, Mrs. Knox chose to fight to keep her legacy.

    To date Mrs. Knox has lost in the courts of Barbados and before the Privy Council in London. For a brief summary, see the Privy Council tab of this web site. The shareholders of KEL have “won” the right to sell their assets to an outside company for a fraction of what they are worth. The legal interpretation of the company’s articles was a surprise to many who were actually acquainted with the writers of the articles.

    One Barbados government entity has for years owed millions to KEL for a property in the Kendall Hill area, while another branch of the Barbados government simultaneously attempted to foreclose on the beachfront properties for non-payment of debt, without the knowledge of the shareholder attempting to buy the company. This effort was thwarted by an alert lawyer who notified Mrs. Knox of the attempted foreclosure, thus preventing the company’s assets from being significantly depleted. As far as we know, the KEL directors did nothing to avert the foreclosure.

    ——————————————————————————–

    The report on the Construction of a Golf & Country Club at Kingsland, Christ Church (with a cost of US$800M) which was brought to our attention by an alert reader from New York is no longer accessible through the below link.

    http://www.britishcaribbean.com/news

  55. Wishing in Vain

    Please see below here is an extract from the site

    http://keltruth.com/

    The Government appears to be complicit in a transaction bereft of even minimum standards of transparency required in countries around the world,” says Allard. “This is something which should be a matter of concern to all Barbadians who rely on their Government to uphold laws which protect the interests of all citizens and assure foreign investors that Barbados respects and observes the rule of law.”

    Allard’s law firm has also written to Prime Minister Owen Arthur and Attorney General Dale Marshall this week advising them that he has elected to proceed according to the Additional Facility Rules of the International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes, established by the World Bank to handle disputes between investors and contracting states, of which Barbados is one.

    Allard’s lawyers have also presented to the Government his list of suggested arbitrators for the dispute and have asked the Barbadian Government to do likewise.

  56. Yardbroom

    There is a cancer deep in the root of the upper echelons of Barbadian society. I do not know if it is our history which has provided the nutriment for such a malignant growth, but there is a disregard for honest principles bordering on arrogance.

    It would appear that nothing is exempt from the clutches of greed, if it cannot be found out.

    That the people in positions of authority who should be respected are behaving in such a manner makes me sad, I am not angry, just sad, is there no honour left?

    Dishonesty is not only shoplifting from the stores of Broad Street, it includes Machiavellian plots at corporate level to deprive others of what is legitimately theirs.

    There is nothing more dishonourable than being appointed or elected in a position of authority by ordinary people and then seeking to enrich yourself at their expense.

  57. Wishing in Vain

    Maybe it is the results of the recently conducted poll that Owing paid to have done which shows him holding 11 seats to the DLP 19 that has him hot water.
    And the longer he waits the more one sided it will become because people are fustrated at their corruption and stealing and arrogrance.

  58. North Star

    Yardbroom what you have to realize sir is this. The world over is suffering from the sameMALIGNANCY that has you sad. Barbados is not alone!

    Politicians come before you in an election and tell you that they will do all the things you want them to do and when you vote them into office they not only do the complete opposite to what they promised but anything they want to do and with impunity. How do we stop it? tell me sir, by “Integrity” Legislation as some want?

    In the big USA and Canada Politicians do as they please and none of us can do dick about it! That is a fact sir not fiction!

    Yardbroom it comes down to what I have been saying and no one is listening. “Democracy” and the “Democratic” process does not serve the people any longer but only the politicians. Politicians have changed the rules to favor them. We hear and we are told if you do not like what the Government is doing “Vote” them out of office, but when you do that and a new team comes in they too do as they damn well please.

    That is why most people with intelligence DO NOT VOTE because nothing changes.

    Not only are politicians crooks but up here in Canada we are now thinking of Legislation that MIGHT but don’t hold your breath allow us to come down hard on BIG INDUSTRY Executives who too are stealing, lying and doing all the things we expect only lowlifes.

    Get use to it these are the TIMES we live in.

  59. bajemonkey

    Gentle men this is quite a refreshing turn for our little democracy. The above means that this situation will be vented for the whole world to see. NO cover-up Colreidge Street. The outcome will be interesting and will provide the launch pad for what we all covet TRANSPARENCY and ACCOUNTABILITY in government.
    With regards to the International Court for the Settlement of Investment Disputes I.C.S.I.D, I would direct you to Google Philippe Laws. He is one the international leads in this area and lectures at the London School of Econ L.S.E.
    This Court was set up by the First World countries to protect the investments of their citizens, in non-traditional geographical zones. This is how it works.
    Example only: Sandy Lane starts to use DDT on it’s golf course. Our Public Health/Environmental people indicate this to be a serious public health/ environmental risk. The Govt Of Barbados then pressures a reluctant Sandy Lane to cease and desist. Sandy Lane cries foul and suggest Govt position was a threat to earnings. They could take this to I.C.S.I.D. If they won The financial burden placed on Govt to settle would be enormous. Sandy Lane Laughing!!
    Real Case. In Canada a joint Canadian/American company was putting ( I think Manganese) in the gas. This would give better mpg rates. It was deamed a public health/environmental risk. Federal Govt issued a cease and desist order. The company sued I.C.S.I.D and the Canadian Federal Govt had to pay CDN$300,000,000.00 to company for loss of earnings.(Not sure of exact figure) THESE DUMMIES LIKE KERRIE SYMMONDS/DALE MARSHALL et al sign treaties and then don’t read them.
    Is it not interesting that a dispute resolution mechanism created to limit our ability to curtail the behaviour of some unscrupulous foreign entity is now going to protect us. White people laughing at we and maybe just maybe we deserve it. This country appears to function like a “Primate Reserve”
    This lot will auto-destruct and what a sght that is going to be. The question is this, “Can this little democracy weather this impending catastrophe?”
    Have no fear the message is also being sent to Thompson et al. Good work BFP where is Harold Hoyte(Fraud).

  60. Hants

    Northstar voting is important.

    Don’t think that all politicians and political parties are the same.

    If you do not vote, you are giving away your rights to the governance of your country.

  61. Yardbroom

    North Star
    I hear what you say and in part I do agree, but the impact of a dishonest politican or official in Canada, America, or England is not quite the same as Barbados. Dishonesty is dishonesty wherever it rears its ugly head, but in a small country like Barbados the avenues which are open in comparison to large countries are literally nonexistant.

    A professional who is overlooked, or not chirping the right tune in a large developed country, can move to another town or state and carry on his or her life as if nothing has happened. In Barbados people are crushed for stepping out of line as a result there is a culture of fear, often generated by those in authority, that is why we should be vigilant in the selection of those who represent or adjudicate over us.

  62. North Star

    Yardbroom trust me your take on this matter is flawed.

    Our Politicians go no where they just keep on ticking and screwing us royally. Our Newspapers are deluged with the same frustration you express 24/7. Believe me I have lived here 50 years and I know a bit about the political culture. And unlike Barbados our Newspapers allow a lot of latitude for bashing our politicians.

    The tragedy of it all though Yardbroom is this. Even were they to get lost as you suggest by moving, the new generation of scoundrels are equally corrupt. The people here as in Barbados is crying out about it.

    And the politicians of Barbados are like the Green Monkey they micmic every damn thing they see our politicians getting away with because there is nothing you and me can do about it. Think about what I say. Other than the vote what can you do to change things? And what has the vote done for you me and the majority in changing dick in our respective countries?

    You talk about a malignancy and that name for it is very appropriate I might say, because there is no cure for the bloody thing

  63. North Star

    Hants that line unfortunately my friend has become tired for many in North America with 45 to 50 % not voting.

    Hants you have to see the exercise working for the MAJORITY and my dear friend this is not happening as a result the system is failing and quickly. I am not proud of it but I understand why it is failing!

  64. North Star

    Hants and Yardbroom let me say that I probably should not even get involved with the politics and other issues involving Barbados because I do not live there and it is is none of my business what goes on there. Tomorrow the sun will still rise here whether I contribute to the BFP or not and my life will not change.

    I merely get involved because I was born in Barbados and I have a lot of good memories of it and I want what is best for ALL of the people in my Native land.

    I realize I am very opinionated and that gets people all upset but you know I sometimes get the opinion and think that Barbadians live in their own little world not realizing how many of their problems, concerns etc are being experienced in much larger and far more developed countries than theirs.

  65. Hants

    North Star I live in Canada but what goes on in Barbados is my business because I own property in Barbados and I sometimes do Business in Barbados.
    You too have a right to comment on Barbados because you were born there and it is one place you can always go back to if you wanted to.
    Most Bajans on this board want to hear your opinions whether we agree with you or not.
    Remember you are a Barbadian first even if you love wherever else in the world you live.

  66. Maat

    A strong and vibrant cadre of independent candidates may be one solution to the problem of voters not voting. Think about it; when 45-50% do not vote, that number is in fact the majority, this is assuming that the other 55% are split between the 2 or more existing political parties. If this non voting majority could instead vote for independent, non party representatives, they would at least have a say or a voice in the system. It was interesting to read that Barbados was governed by a group of independents for hundreds of years before our forty year experience as a 2 party state.
    The democratic process has more or less undermined itself to be meaningless to many people as the agenda of the party outweighs the requirements of the constituencies that are supposed to be represented. The internal party mechanism for discipline of party representatives restricts representatives from going against party policy, at least in pubic.In a place like Barbados, for a politician to even speak of dissent in private, is just a time lag away from the comments being made public. Therefore many MP’s hold their tongue and draw their money. What would an MP do if their cabinet colleague invited or tricked them them into taking part in a corrupt enterprise or kick back? They are unlikely to go public about knowledge of such proposals and may even feel obliged to protect criminality if they are convinced that their for knowledge and silence constitutes conspiracy. This is how it works with a political party. A whistle blower (grass/telltale/informant) on internal party or cabinet misdeeds would be be ostracized by the rest. They would be seen as letting the side down. They could actually face financial ruin, rather than be heralded as a hero for standing up for the truth.
    An independent candidate or MP would have no such allegiance. If they witness an inappropriate action by other MP’s or members of cabinet they would not need to follow any party protocol other than to make it public knowledge and to shame those involved.
    Power to the people

    Peace

  67. Yardbroom

    North Star
    Most of the contributors on this board are Barbadian – as I am – or have an interest in Barbados, hence our contributions.
    I am aware that the voting electorate in some developed countries borders on 40-60% of the electorate however that is not a reason to walk away from a situation which will have an impact on our lives, regardless of if we vote or not, having said that, people should be free to exercise the freedom not to vote if they so wish, although there are countries like Australia, where voting is thought so important that the freedom not to vote is not an available option.

    Good governance come from the “people” who have been elected, the Laws of the country ensure some recourse to inappropriate behaviour. I have always felt there is merit in integrity legislation as it offers an avenue of challenge to Government officials.

    My concerns however are that the people who will draft the necessary legislation and because of their position in Barbados politics, would be on the various bodies that would oversee compliance, are untrustworthy.

    Does that mean we should do nothing, no it does not, for if we did nothing anarchy would rule, we can never insulate ourselves from the reality that surrounds us.

    There comes a tide in politics, as in other things which is unstoppable and when it turns its forces are so great there is no turning back, perhaps this is the time for that tide.

    Who would have thought six years ago – knowing the politics of Barbados – that a news medium would become available for people to express pent-up emotions about the rape of our country.

    Hants
    I concur, we must have hope about a situation we can change, for without that, we have nothing.

  68. North Star

    I have no problem or argument with any of that Yardbroom and Hants. All I am saying is, people the world over are getting tired election after election of being had by politicians and have become cynical and have opted not to participate. And yes you are right maybe that is not the correct attitude, but then people give up after years of frustration of seeing no change and being left out of the process.

    The needs of the Majority are never addressed only those of big industry, the wealthy and the politician. Do we have lobbyists looking after our interests? Do we have the big bucks to pour into the campaign funds of politicians for them to do us favors? Do we get the tax breaks or subsidies that are given to big industry? Yet the “Majority” that comprises of the little people mainly are the biggest contributors to the Government treasury!

    What YOU describe as being YOUR situation in Barbados where you claim those entrusted with enacting Legislation or acting on the peoples wishes do not do that because of “Dishonest” ways comes right back full circle to what we all were railing about the past two days.

    That being a Press in Barbados that does not, will not or cannot do it’s job by being open and critical of the policies and conduct of those political pundits responsible. But in addition to that I find mainstream Barbadians very apathetic about things in general in Barbados. This personally I think is the biggest stumbling block to your concerns. And in many instances the same is true in larger countries. I know it is here.

    In bigger countries or at least it is so in North America we do not have that press silence or political influence over the press that Barbados seems to have and as a result like the BFP our mainstream press, TV and other sources are bringing relevant matters to our attention 24/7. Another important point is this, we have very good “Opposition” party’s that hammer away daily at contentious issues and much of our Parlimentary debates are seen live or recorded on TV. All of these things influence voters because they are seeing the big picture and are being kept informed.

    However at the end of the day and at election time after doing your homework and VOTING the big let down comes when after two or three years of the new party the scandals start, flip flops occur and you realize you are no better off than with the last bunch of scoundrels. That is why the people HERE are becoming indifferent and I must say I cannot blame them.

    However technically you are correct voting is important. But what I think needs to be done is that the entire and present political process needs to be changed to suit the times and conditions you and me have concerns about because the vote is changing nothing. That is the bottom line!

    Everything it seems is reviewed by Politicians and others and change implemented to keep whatever they are changing in step with the times but not elections or politicians conduct.

    When you vote these people in they have at least 4 years to screw you and there is little you can do to remove them until the next election. In addition when they are campaigning they can promise to do anything so long as it gurantees them getting in but after that there is not one damn thing that says they have to do what they promised. At least not up here and that is what P———es people off.

    Have a great weekend you two.

  69. Zulu

    Wait a minute folks. Something fishy bout dis one.
    I can’t believe that big money involved and I not hearing the name David Shorey. He has always been the bag man and something tells me that he can’t be far behind. My gut feeling is that he is somewhere in the shadows.
    BFP, bring on the news.

  70. akabozik

    BFP why don’t you print what you got in your email?

  71. anon

    why dont we make it mandatory for all persons to vote and like the french have our polling day on a sunday

  72. Peltdown Man

    Zulu
    Wait & find out. You’re not far off the mark.

  73. John Doe

    I guess you guys didn’t know that David Simmons is one of the largest shareholders of the nation corporation and Starcom network.

    It will be great when the shareholders regester of companies finally becomes a public document, then you will be able to see who ones what.

  74. Vigilante

    Why do you continue to post lies about our CJ? Since some of you follow him so closely, you should recall that on 7 September 1994, when he was sworn in as AG he announced to the press at Government House that he had resigned his directorships in all companies. Go and check the registry of Corporate Affairs. As someome who does know the CJ, I can tell you that he sold his shares in the Nation corporation when he became CJ to prevent even the possibility of a conflict of interest arising. John Doe et al, the depth of your nasty lies is pathetic.

  75. Wishing in Vain

    What are you sggesting that the CJ sold the shares to his childern for safe keeping???
    Vigilante surely you are not so easily misled or fooled.

  76. files

    Vigilante, “Go and check the registry of Corporate Affairs”
    Will we find the files to check or will they be “misplaced”?

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  80. Caan Understand

    80 comments and many days later, none of your ‘well placed’ ‘100%’ ‘reliable sources’ have CONCRETE information. No wonder this country’s GR(gossip rate) is so high. I guess the freepress management don’t bother, (like one local newspaper) to GET IT RIGHT! Does anybody….ANYBODY here have THE FACTS? If you do ….then PLEASE, for the love of this country and INTELLECTUAL discussion POST THEM. If you don’t (and all of you know who you are) then go, buy a deck of cards, and find something else better to DO!
    Geez!

  81. Straight talk

    Caan understand:
    Let me give you some christian understanding.
    If you have facts, please feel free to post them here, and the speculation will stop immediately.
    That is why we here on BFP are demanding access to the facts on how our tax monies are disbursed.
    Integrity, accountability and transparency is all we ask in this democracracy.
    We are treated to obfuscation threats and downright lies.
    This system refuses to change itself, so our protests will continue until it sees reason.
    Meanwhile back to the game.

  82. Caan Understand

    Straight Talk:

    In your ‘christian’ understanding, do you think that rifling, sifting though and adding to propaganda will give you the answers you seek.
    The key to understanding and making informed statements lies in education.
    Educate yourself. Understand key concepts. Learn about the role of the CDB and other financial insitutions. Understand that Macro Economics and governance is not the same as simple Macro-Economics. Delve into the conception (or misconception) that OUR Government’s decisions are all made independently of any other Political or Economic external Governance.
    I implore you to read Philosophy. Research the literature of “Sherlock Holmes and the Dissatisfied Voter” There is an old addage, “Seek Ye First to Undertsand”.
    I do get that making money and seeing it spent without much understanding of how it is spent can incur on our feelings a level of dissonance.
    But AFTER you have read literature on Economics, Politics and Philosophy ask yourself this question. “Can I reasonably expect that all of the things which my family and I enjoy have come as the result of ‘bad’ management?”
    If anyone who visits this site is truly in search of education and answers, they will seek other means of finding information. Whether it is by public forum or by aggregate investigative journalism.
    But, as for your “christian understanding” you won’t get the answers you desire through your prayers.

  83. Jerome Hinds

    Caan Understand
    May 30th, 2007 at 5:56 pm

    ” But AFTER you have read literature on Economics, Politics and Philosophy ask yourself this question. “Can I reasonably expect that all of the things which my family and I enjoy have come as the result of ‘bad’ management? ”

    **********************************************

    Caan Understand,

    Pleaseeeeee understand this !

    Some Barbadians pay taxes have a home , a job & a car.

    But look at this….this BLP government has MISMANAGED the funds of these said taxpayers on a yet :

    ** to be OPENED Greenland Dump (10 years….over $ 80 million)

    ** to be AUDITED accounts on GEMS ( 8 years…over $ 100 million )

    ** to be FINISHED ( legally & physically ) Warrens building ( 8 years….$ 180 million & counting)

    ** to be FINISHED new prison ( 2 years…moved from $ 100 million UNDER 1 AG….to…$ 292 million UNDER another AG )

    So while these same Barbadians have a home, a job & a home…..should they still be satisfied with this level of…..BAD MANAGEMENT…!

    On the subject of Economics…..read John Maynard Keynes on financial prudence !

    On the subject of Politics…..read Nelson Madiba Mandela views on politics for the disadvantaged !

    On the subject of Philosophy…..read Plato & Socrates on what is a good life !

    http://steveweber.typepad.com/steve_weber__politics_and/2006/01/the_management_.html

  84. Straight talk

    “Seek ye first to understand”, an adage I wholly endorse.

    No it gives me no answers sifting and rifling any available info, it merely raises more questions, and therefore, suspicions.
    Rifling and sifting is the only avenue open to we plebs, undeserving as we are to be given truthful, factual information by our elitist representatives.

    Our admittedly unsatisfactory probings have exposed the truth about many of mismanaged projects procured and managed by your much vaunted PPE graduates, which would have been hidden forever if the meritocracy had its way.
    ” There’s nothing to see here, move on.”

    I challenge you now to name one large capital project initiated in the last eight years, that has come in on time and at the original quoted price.

    As for Sherlock Holmes I believe he told Watson, ” when you have eliminated all possibilities, what is left, however improbable, is the truth” and using Conan Doyle’s analysis I am usually left with criminal incompetence or blatant corruption.

    I welcome your input, but please do not use this blog to browbeat commentators.
    You do not know who you are attempting to belittle.

  85. Jerome Hinds

    wow !

  86. Wishing in Vain

    On the lighter side of life folks a piece of trivia has there ever been a ruling party in Barbados with so many members in the house of uncertain gender as is in this one??
    And secondly why have we not heard a squeak out of Lynette Eastmond or Duguid on this site for sometime now? have they been added to the walking wounded???

  87. Caan Understand

    Jerome Hinds:

    I take your point and I, nor can anyone else, regardless of political affiliation disregard the above. Clearly there are issues regarding ‘mismanagement of funds’ on the part of the current party. I agree that MPs or whoever should be held accountable for the mismanagement of not only funds, but projects as a whole.

    What I would like you, Mr Hinds, and other members of this forum to do is while engaging in counting and summing figures (which may very well be precise) is to say how the ‘mismanagement of funds’ of GEMS, GREENLAND, the project at WARRENS, and the new Prison affects you at a personal level (e.g. your basket of goods, and the furnishings of society at large when under this same Government we have had higher cash flows and a much higher foreign reserve than at any other point in our history of Management and those large reserves are often seen as a strength, as it indicates the backing a currency has.

    Again, let me say that I am not in disgreement, but in much accord that money needs to be better managed on the part of our projects and a greater degree of financial and economic prudence exercised by not only our current leaders, but our hopefuls as well.

    I am not swayed by counting or figures. What is of interest to me is not on the bottom line, but the side notes. Of the $ 652+million how much remains within the local economy? What does our Balance of Payments look like? ( I ask these questions not only of you but myself as well)
    Ask your finance minister. How much cash injection have we had over the last 8 years of ‘mismanagement’? When the ‘other party’ is counting figures ask them to quote on either side, as they always seem to talk about expenditure. What about Income and Cash flow?

    GO down to the Youth Trust! Learn a trade! Start a business. Export something! Urge your fellow citizens to reduce consumption (since we all have a part to play irregardless of the Government).
    Let your personal bedget help to reflect on the Current Account as a Surplus! DO YOUR PART! Some say that this nation never knows what it wants. We want everything for free. Well, nothing is for free. We all enjoy luxuries at a cost. You got to give to get.

    But HEY! You know that they say “Damned if you do, Damned if you don’t”

  88. Caan Understand

    Mr Hinds

    I know that the good life which you speak is the life of an active and inquiring mind.

    I also know that the good life is a life that questions everything and doubts everything owing to the process of self-awareness, and of a better and more precise understanding of the world around us.

    But I implore you to recognise that the world around is a “constant paradigm” a cycle.

    I have lived in Barbados all my life and I have watched the political landscape since I became eligible to vote in the last general election. I am yet young, and like you, Socrates, restless. I am quite the cynic.

    The fact that you are have acknowledged Socrates on this blog shows me that you are just quoting and not enlightened.

  89. Caan Understand

    Straight Talk

    If you interpreted my sarcastic banter as an attempt at belittling you ARE as uninformed as I had previously NOT thought.

    You must forgive my blatant attempt at endorsing an agenda of constant intellectual criticism and not reckless propaganda.

  90. Caan Understand

    What is it the other party plans to do ANYWAY that will be so different from what is happening now?

    Just as presidential hopeful Senator Barack Obama has outlined his plans, shouldn’t the ‘other’ local party do the same?

    How does the manifesto compare? OR contrast?

  91. Straight talk

    CU:
    An opposition’s duty is to oppose, question and hold to account the government.
    The DLP is failing all these respects and as a consequence cannot expect the electorate to consider them ready for taking on the mantle of office.
    As for their manifesto, there is no requirement for one until the bell rings, but as outlined above any manifesto by a party of no earned credibility will be judged in the same terms as the PEP, as lacking credibility, and discounted.
    Be sure this blog shows no fear or favour to whoever may be underperforming in public service, as the DLP may discover.

  92. Jerome Hinds

    BFP & fellow readers my apologies for the double postings above. On the first try I did not get a confirmation that it had gone through.

    ********************************************

    Caan Understand
    May 30th, 2007 at 7:41 pm

    ” What I would like you, Mr Hinds, and other members of this forum to do is while engaging in counting and summing figures (which may very well be precise) is to say how the ‘mismanagement of funds’ of GEMS, GREENLAND, the project at WARRENS, and the new Prison affects you at a personal level (e.g. your basket of goods, and the furnishings of society at large when under this same Government we have had higher cash flows and a much higher foreign reserve than at any other point in our history of Management and those large reserves are often seen as a strength, as it indicates the backing a currency has. ”

    *****************************************
    Some simple questions & answers for you.

    The uncontrolled , unbridled mismanagement that you & I recognise does not allow for any meaningful increase in our disposable income…!

    You may point to Income tax & salary increases but where is the offset when food prices & cost of doing business in Barbados escalates ?

    The price of cement will soon go up…Do you recognise the impact this have on building costs ?

    The price of hardwood from regional sources have gone up….Do you recognise the impact this have on building costs for persons not able to build a wall house ?

    The higher cash flows you speak of under this BLP gov’t……is the direct result of unbridled borrowing…to finance projects that are yet to be completed….!

    Check the most recent Central Bank Governor report 2007 about GAIA and Kensington Oval…!

    The unbridled, uncontrolled borrowing by this GOB does not allow for any direct benefit in the personal incomes of Barbadians…!

    Why can’t VAT be reduced on the building inputs of homes under a certain value…?

    Why does Barbadian manufactured products have a difficulty penetrating regional / extra – regional markets…?

    What has become of Owen Arthur’s sawn – song of the late 1990’s to join up with some of the OECS countries…?

    And you talking about Barbados’ strong currency….?

    Get away and do some serious analysis….!

  93. Jerome Hinds

    Caan Understand
    May 30th, 2007 at 7:50 pm
    What is it the other party plans to do ANYWAY that will be so different from what is happening now?

    Just as presidential hopeful Senator Barack Obama has outlined his plans, shouldn’t the ‘other’ local party do the same?

    How does the manifesto compare? OR contrast?

    *******************************************
    Caan Understand,

    The other party in our context (DLP ) have given the public a considerable amount of innovative alternatives as recent as March 2007 .

    The challenge you & others of your ilk have is to counter those proposals now that you have admitted in your posting of

    ” Caan Understand
    May 30th, 2007 at 7:41 pm………Again, let me say that I am not in disgreement, but in much accord that money needs to be better managed on the part of our projects and a greater degree of financial and economic prudence exercised by not only our current leaders……”

    Besides the mismanagement you have identified……
    thousands of Barbadians after 13 years of BLP rule are still waiting on the UNFILLED promises on

    ** Land from the land bank !

    ** Referendum on the republic !

    ** Removal of Nelson !

    ** Cessation of going to parliament for supplementaries !

    ** The restructuring of the Barbadian economy !

    ** Liz Thompson less than $ 50,000.00 houses !

    ** The closure of Mangrove Dump after the Arch Hall residents were compensated !

    Alas, I just remember……since you just acknowledged the BLP mismanagement…..that leaves NO time for them to REALISTICALLY pay attention to the concerns of Barbadians as shown above…!

    I just CAAN UNDERSTAND you & these BLP thugs…!

  94. Glory-B

    All this fathers name on certificate talk just gives me the jitters,,But “Glory B” a mans name cannot be placed on the certificate by the mother alone, The father must B present..Thank God 4 small mercies

  95. New Poster

    Is this a DLP run web blog?

  96. Wishing in Vain

    New poster just the real world exposed here the blatant corruption brought to the fore and to the light.
    These things really are happening in our island home .

  97. New Poster

    Seems to be a lot of name calling going on around here, what with commentators being called ‘thugs’. Seems to me a bit of a James L Sleeman Attitude.

    To JH:

    It seems that you and CU have a little spat going on, but it seems to me that while ST has accused CU of attempting to belittle, all that commentator is asking us to do is to have a little look at the root of the issues, and not give a 100% focus on the outcome. I vote in the USA but as an onlooker to the discussion, I can’t disagree.

    Referendum on the republic !

    Can be facultative (that is it can be initiated at the will of a public authority) or at the will of the citizens which can be binding or non binding.

    Land from the land bank !

    Choose yor battles. Are you honestly waiting from ‘abstract land’ from the ‘abstract land bank’?

    Removal of Nelson !
    What does he have to do with the forward movement of this country under barbados labour or democratic labour rule?

    Cessation of going to parliament for supplementaries !
    Try not having your ATM card when that thing that you want costs just $5.00 more and it is necessary to have it.

    The restructuring of the Barbadian economy !
    – I don’t think that I understand the comment, could you kindly eloborate…

    Liz Thompson less than $ 50,000.00 houses !
    -It is not impossible, at the fore…but somebody is going to pay the extra $10,000 (and maybe more) dollars. But what was she really talking about, the COST or the PRICE. I’s sure that there is a difference.

    The closure of Mangrove Dump after the Arch Hall residents were compensated !
    -only been in Barbados one year, don’t know much about this. What exactly happened???

    Oh!…and stop the name calling. It’s very unintelligent.

    CU:

    I agree that plans should be outlined, but as ST said we will have to wait until the bell tolls. I watched a few parliament debates and i find that all the democratic labour does is says “that is not a good idea” but never offers a solution.
    If you want the people behind you (DLP) you need to show them, prove to them that what you have is a good plan and a wonderful implementation. Prove it’s worth. Leave people wondering. “Hmmmm, what if?”

  98. What is this?

    WOW!

    These things are happening here? Quel Supris!

    We should all get back to our roots. Work the land, raise cattle and trade by barter. Seriously, this is not sarcasm. Maybe that is the answer to ALL of our societal ills.

    On the lighter side, I defy anyone to name 1, just 1 “not corrupt” Politician.

    I was just reading this somewhere. It is a criticism of modern politics and politicians.

    As CU said, when we say A, we must also say B.

    “Not only do people often disagree with their policies, they are sometimes seen as unscrupulous, willing to do anything to gain power, or abusive of their position and privileges.”

    “Politicians can also be criticized for becoming “career politicians.” A politician who makes politics the source of their income, yet has to face re-election every few years can be less likely to make bold decisions or side with an unpopular bill. Some feel that fear of “rocking the boat” leads to a stagnant political climate, in which it becomes hard to address injustices and create change. Various measures have been taken in attempt to mitigate this effect, such as the implementation of term limits.”

    Term Limits – sounds like a good idea.

  99. Jerome Hinds

    New Poster
    May 31st, 2007 at 1:21 pm

    ” Liz Thompson less than $ 50,000.00 houses !
    -It is not impossible, at the fore…but somebody is going to pay the extra $10,000 (and maybe more) dollars. But what was she really talking about, the COST or the PRICE. I’s sure that there is a difference. ”

    **********************************************

    Declare your hand !

    You questioned Liz Thompson’s idea above…..which were promised in 2004 !

    Yet you claim that you have…” only been in Barbados one year, don’t know much about this. What exactly happened??? ”

    Question ???

    Why you did not get all the facts while living in the USA ?

  100. New Poster

    If you must know, a friend of mine who lives on the island was, and has been closely monitoring the outcome as it directly affected her. She has recently got a home at Coverley in Christ Church.
    It is a development property so I know a little about the issue.

    You see, I understand some of the commentators who challenge you Jerome Hinds, et. al. You are more interested in confrontation that using the mode available to give VALUABLE input.

    This is why those “thugs” you speak of will always have the upper hand. These ‘thugs’ are what You might call a ‘gang’ of Leaders who I have just been informed are neither “Chasing the Magic Dragon” or “airing their dirty laundry in public”.

    Good Luck Jerome Hinds and others who are proponents of spewing garbage. Maybe your home should be at Mangrove (which incidentally may have been a smart abandonment).

    I am off to find a more accomodating blog and more affluent discussion.

    I bow out..God Speed! to the Current Administration.

  101. Wishing in Vain

    New poster you are badly out out of touch with reality and life in Barbados, there is no way moist sensible and reasonable persons living in Barbados could want this admistration to continue on one day longer that they have to, it is the time for them to exit stage left in a hurry.

  102. Wishing in Vain

    sorry “most”

  103. New Poster

    And enter “WHAT” stage right?

    A Democratic Libel Party?

  104. Wishing in Vain

    A DEMOCRATIC LABOUR PARTY a new beginning minus the vast corruption as we have here now.

  105. What is this?

    What is this?
    May 31st, 2007 at 2:12 pm
    WOW!

    On the lighter side, I defy anyone to name 1, just 1 “not corrupt” Politician.

    __________________________________

    What will make the DLP so different from the BLP.
    What is the difference when the voters choice is betweem horse manure and cow manure.(both are Labour Parties)

    Do you honestly think that ANYTHING will change in the longterm?

    Most to all of the DLPs or BLPs economic policies are based on the decisions made by the IMF and other bodies.

    Either can (and will) make promises. If you(general) think so highly of the DLP, why not elect the PNP. They both seem so similar.

  106. Wishing in Vain

    Would not touch David and Bobby with a ten foot pole them two too smart for me.
    Really we need a change and we need it now rather than later this corruption thing going too far and too deep in my purse strings

  107. What is this?

    fine.

  108. akabozik

    BFP is right about one thing. Without real laws against piggy feeding every politician will do it. We need laws so at least we can say that someone is breaking a law.

  109. ??

    WIV, I now see why you call youself wishing in vain…….. keep wishing but its all in vain… how appropriate maybe Jerome should call himself cussing in vain

  110. What is this?

    ha ha!
    yes
    what, (akabozik) is piggy feeding anyway?

  111. akabozik

    What is Piggy feeding?

    here it is:

    About The Barbados Piggies At The Trough Award

    The “Piggy” as the award is affectionately known, is presented annually to the Barbados politician or civil servant who best exemplifies the “chow down and climb right into the trough” spirit of Bajan corruption. The winner is the Barbados politician or civil servant who, in the opinion of the judges, best misuses position, political contacts or internal knowledge to benefit self, family or friends. (And yes, extra points are awarded for creativity or sheer brazeness.)

    Here’s the original announcement about the creation of the award…

    BFP Announces 1st Annual Barbados Piggies At The Trough Awards – US$1,000 Cash Prize For Winning Nominator

    https://barbadosfreepress.wordpress.com/2006/09/25/bfp-announces-1st-annual-barbados-piggies-at-the-trough-awards-us1000-cash-prize-for-winning-nominator/

  112. Jerome Hinds

    New Poster……who at times is not sure if to use the name…Caan Understand !

    A close relative to ?? and What is this ?

    You BLP bigots will not intimidate bloggers on this site from asking legitimate questions !

    *** On the issue of name – calling ……Owen Arthur to this day has not apologised to Terry Ally
    ( indentured servant ) DLP members ( goon squad ) Harold Hoyte (negrocrat ) !

    *** New Poster…..about being placed in a dump…ask Liz Thompson to remind you what she said she will do with the DLP members and Greenland !

    Legitimate questions about misappropiated funds , excessive borrowing , squandermania , broken promises , arrogance etc. as displayed by this BLP government…..will always hit your cajones !

    Because……these are the reasons in excess of 50 % of the electorate identify as reasons to change this government !

    Answer this one….how come in 2003 a weak opposition…..according to the BLP could have come within 1200 votes of winning an election ?

  113. New Poster

    Jerome Hinds
    May 31st, 2007 at 6:08 pm

    New Poster……who at times is not sure if to use the name…Caan Understand !

    808

    Jerome Said it ” Let It be so!”

  114. anon mouse

    Didn’t New Poster bid us farewell?
    We all know we cannot stay away from BFP even if we wanted to.

  115. New Poster

    anon mouse.

    I haven’t gone. I am just doing as Jerome suggested and out finding me some edu’macation’.

    I can’t seem to find and credible online articles to peruse though, about anything.

    Any Suggestions??

    Jerome I limit you to two links.

  116. ??

    Now Now Jerome behave yourself, Bigot is a harsh word which can rebound and slap you smack in the face……. You sound a lot smarter when you try to bring points of fact rather than be unfairly critical of those who do not share your point of view.

    16 to 12 I guess you find this distressing……. one day I will say … I told you so!

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  118. Wishing in Vain

    I am not about to setup a defence for Keirns and company because they went about this the wrong way from the beginning we all know that the gov’t is corrupt and dishonest and will accept bribes but there is a right way and a wrong way to do business and paying those in positions of power is certainly not the right way and furthermore Greame Hall Park was not an option at all for such an operation.
    However let me put an angle on this that may fully explain why Ocean Park may have received their approval on this matter, one of the partners and shareholders of Ocean Park is Mr Ralph Johnson also of Lucky Horse Shoe fame a place that strives off of slot machines and another slot machine location as well, , Mr Johnson and Mr Haloute were completely left out of the new deal Hallam Nicholls, Glyne Bannister and Owing Arthur drew up with americans Washington and Johnson to operate these 2,500 new machines on the island and Mr Johnson has been hurt by the actions of these bastards to completely ignore him in the allocation of these new machines being one of the earliest operators of slot machines in Barbados made even worst by his good friends Hallam Nicholls and Owing being involved and not making him part of this deal.
    Now in an effort to calm his feelings and gain his continued party support they have opted to grant him the permission for Ocean Park in exchange for him to keep his mouth shut and not make any waves with these 2,500 new machines coming into the island to be placed in every nook and cranny so many more poor Barbadians are to be now exposed to these machines if you thought that people went home pennyless before just wait for this to hit home.
    If I were Mr Ralph Johnson and Mr Elias Haloute I would be looking over my shoulder at each and every move the same Owing and Hallam Nicholls made because I can assure you they are not for you but for their own pockets and themselves.