DLP Leader David Thompson Tells A Whopper Of A BIG LIE

“Barbados needs a change of Government. Barbadians are ready to change their Government. The DLP is ready to assume the mantle of leadership of Barbados.”… DLP Leader David Thompson quoted in The Nation News (link here)

DLP leader David Thompson smells victory in the air. It doesn’t take much intuition to determine that the mood on the streets towards the ruling BLP elites is foul – so Thompson’s message is that his party is “ready to govern.”

As if that will solve everything.

Thompson’s Big Lie Is This…

Thompson says that the DLP’s Barbados citizens will govern better than the BLP’s Barbados citizens. That is the lie. The DLP people will govern as the BLP people govern because Barbados has no integrity standards or laws to deter the corruption of those who govern.

Our political system has NO RULES about accountability, transparency, integrity & conflict of interest standards or laws that allow citizens to access government information.

In such a free-for-all system it would take a saint to not become corrupted.

The DLP like the BLP have never instituted conflict of interest guidelines or integrity standards for their own candidates – let alone for the country.

Thompson and his DLP piggies don’t want integrity standards…

… They can smell the sweet rewards of that piggy trough – now so close and just within reach – and they don’t want to do anything that would jeopardise their ability to feed once they form the government.

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We still remember David Thompson’s “fatted calf” speech.

So now he says, “Don’t worry. Elect us. We’re honest. TRUST ME!”

No thanks, David. Not until you take action about integrity standards. Your fine words mean nothing to thinking citizens.

We still remember your “fatted calf” speech.

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Thompson’s Fatted Calf Speech

At the 2006 DLP Annual Conference, Leader David Thompson made reference to the killing of the “fatted calf” that would be shared when the DLP forms the government…

“We have learnt our lesson as a party. The fatted calf, under David Thompson’s watch, will be slaughtered and shared among those of you who have stood this course.

The fatted calf will be slaughtered and shared among those of you who have fought the battles and who would have won for us a glorious victory at the polls.

We have no time to waste, my Comrades”

Thanks to the BLP Blog for the copy of Thompson’s speech and for reminding us again that without rules, one party is just like the other party. People are people – without rules few can resist the temptation.

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126 responses to “DLP Leader David Thompson Tells A Whopper Of A BIG LIE

  1. True Native

    Well now, there we have it, folks – Either vote for the PEP, or DON’T VOTE AT ALL. Whatever you do, don’t vote for the Dems because David Thompson is a liar and the Dems are piggies waiting to feed at the trough. Don’t vote for Owing and his crowd because they’re a bunch of crooks. So, we’re left with “Don’t vote at all” OR “vote for Comic-Song.” Um … knock, knock, anyone at home? What was it we heard MONTHS ago about an expose on money laundering?

  2. Wishing in Vain

    Lets lay off him at this time as the other option is sickening and sad moreover let us wait for the DLP manifesto and you will see some surprises.
    We have a group that are vile and wicked and corrupt it needs to be broken up and if we find that the DLP are no better we can revert to the others in 5 years so what would have lost?
    We would have saved ourselves the burden of another 5 years of wholesale stealing and kick backs and corrupt deals starting an the PM and filtering all the way down to even the most junior of members in the house.
    Really we have nothing to loose and all to gain in this election with a change of gov’t.

  3. Justasking

    BFP, remind us what the “fatted calf” spech was about.

  4. BFP

    Wishing in Vain…

    The “manifesto” is just more words.

    Let the DLP institute conflict of interest rules for their own members NOW.

    This very day.

    Let the DLP show leadership and actions. Not more damned fine words.

    They have had more than a year with Thompson in charge. That’s more than enough time had they been sincere or concerned about integrity and conflict of interest.

  5. Wishing in Vain

    I am sure that those in authority will read your comments and then act accordingly, this I have no doubt about.
    We need change and we need it now this rape cannot be allowed to continue unchecked.
    For if it does we may no longer own this piece of the land we call Barbados.It may well be sold out to the Irish and others for the payments of massive debts and deals.

  6. bajangyal

    so you dont want the BLP anymore and you dont want the DLP running the govt….what party would you want then? the PEP?

  7. BFP

    Hi bajangyal

    We want RULES that will govern those whom we elect or appoint to government.

    Laws that will control their corrupt behaviour and allow citizens to hold their officials accountable. Laws that will allow citizens access to information that we all own.

    Without instituting these laws it doesn’t matter who we elect.

    Wake Up!

  8. laughing barbadian

    vote out the bees and vote in the dees next election its simple then u will see a change

  9. laughing barbadian

    the question is what type of change will we see

  10. political pimp

    DAVID THOMPSON HAS A VALUABLE CONTRIBUTION TO MAKE GIVE HIM A TRY

  11. BFP

    Ah…. but who will make a “valuable contribution” to David Thompson if we elect him?

    Without laws governing election financing he will be able to put “campaign donation” cheques into his personal bank account … and there won’t be a thing we can do about it.

    If we even find out.

  12. BFP

    “Just trust us” doesn’t work anymore.

    Won’t get fooled again.

  13. J. Payne

    I have a question for people here. If there was SOMETHING you could ask the DLP in considering them for the upcoming election what would that be?????

  14. Wishing in Vain

    My advice is to stick with what we have got and do not complain for the next 50 years as sure by that time we would have installed a raving dictator.

  15. Anonymous

    Please type a comment? And get thrown off for the FOURTH time?

  16. Zulu

    That’s why we the ppl are calling on the Dems to say what they are going to do. Just tell the electorate that they will institute trnsparency and integrity into their governance. IS THAT SO HARD TO DO?

    *******************

    BFP Comments

    Zulu… for the DLP to merely SAY they will do such and such when elected is no longer an acceptable answer. The DLP and the BLP have both promised integrity legislation in the past… decades ago. Why should we believe them this time?

    Let the DLP (or the BLP) institute conflict of interest and integrity rules for their own candidates immediately, publicly. Then, maybe, we’ll listen to them.

    And what about the fatted calf speech? Is Thompson now going to say “I didn’t really mean it” ?

    YOU can choose to believe more promises. BFP wants to see real actions.

    A promise is a comfort to a fool – and we have all been very, very foolish.

  17. Warrior

    You’ve read it here first folks!!!** BARBADOS HAS GONE TO HELL IN A HAND BASKET.

    This is the true litmus test. As I said in a previous post I do not subscribe to this “if none – any” propaganda. We in Barbados find ourselves between the Devil and the deep blue sea and the funny thing is…..we can’t swim.

    I have news for you Wishing in Vain we no longer own this little rock – sad but true. When one conglomerate can own from Highway 1 to St. Thomas somet’ing wrong.

    Every vulture in the world is circling to pick Barbados’ bones, Neal & Massey, Bermudez and all of the other mergers and take overs that have happened over the years some we know about some we don’t know about.

    There are some sad and green guava times coming for Barbados and thing about it is that those who have come alongside of , got into bed with and partnered with us mean us no earthly good.

    Look for the social structures to go from low to rock bottom, the crime in ways that we have never imagined or experienced to happen, you think ppl disappear yet- just wait.

    This is the coming tsunami and hurricanes that we spoke about all last year, that we made jokes about, we thought it was water but it is the present and looming catastrophe and economic wash out.

    Who will stop it Mr. Arthur? – I think not.

    Mr. Thompson? – Not before he get to the trough!

    According to my old Grandmother “in dese times it betta tuh be a wata’ wash crab”.

  18. Wishing in Vain

    My question would be what is their plan of action with regards the Medical care in this island is it one of building a whole new facility with a caring minister of health at the helm?

  19. Zulu

    WIV
    I take ur last staement as tongue- in-cheek.
    J. PAYNE
    My single question to the Dems is simple: Will you state whether or not that we can expect any integrity rules from your government, starting with your elected AND selected(Senate) MPs?

  20. Zulu

    Warrior
    We are on our way to hell, but not yet there. There is still hope. How much I really can’t say, but there is hope.
    If we the ppl don’t do anything about it when the bell rings, then we can expect to say hello to the devil soon after.
    The one doing the welcome poem at the gate would be Owen “SeeMore” Affa.
    We will be the ones to see more corruption.

  21. BFP

    BFP Comments

    Zulu… for the DLP to merely SAY they will do such and such when elected is no longer an acceptable answer. The DLP and the BLP have both promised integrity legislation in the past… decades ago. Why should we believe them this time?

    Let the DLP (or the BLP) institute conflict of interest and integrity rules for their own candidates immediately, publicly. Then, maybe, we’ll listen to them.

    And what about the fatted calf speech? Is Thompson now going to say “I didn’t really mean it” ?

    YOU can choose to believe more promises. BFP wants to see real actions.

    A promise is a comfort to a fool – and we have all been very, very foolish.

  22. Jerome Hinds

    BFP,

    I’ll repeat again…accountability, transparency, integrity & conflict of interest standards or laws are not only for politicians but for every citizen & institution involved in the Body politic of Barbados !

    Therefore there must be wide discussion on this…..which the DLP has pledged to engage !

    What you need to address for us…..is why after all the questionable projects under the BLP…Owen Arthur says NO to implementing such laws…!

    David Thompson & the DLP on the other hand has pledged to have the ” change of land use ” policy debated in Parliament….rather than leave it to a Minister of Government as currently obtains….!

    About Thompson’s fatted calf speech….“We have learnt our lesson as a party. The fatted calf, under David Thompson’s watch, will be slaughtered and shared among those of you who have stood this course.

    The fatted calf will be slaughtered and shared among those of you who have fought the battles and who would have won for us a glorious victory at the polls.

    We have no time to waste, my Comrades”

    BFP

    Should the the DLP win the next election and given what the electorate were told by Mascoll, Grant, Kerrie Symmonds, Johnnie Tudor et al while they were on the DLP side……would you welcome them back in the DLP fold to share the
    ” fatted calf ? ”

    While they were chomping at the BLP from the DEMS camp….what has changed since they have joined the BEES…?

    ** Has Greenland opened…?

    ** Has audited accounts for GEMS been produced…?

    ** Has the UDC business plan improved…?

    ** Has the CBC produced audited statements…?

    Go back to the statements of Mascoll, Grant, Kerrie Symmonds, Johnnie Tudor et al while they were DLP members about these issues…!

    BFP,

    Then we would realise where your call for accountability, transparency, integrity & conflict of interest standards or laws should really be directed..!

    Political parties are still elected on what they promise to do…!

    Governments lose office when they fill to deliver those promises….!

  23. crossroads

    I voting for integrity laws/standards as well as conflict of intrest laws……………..NUFF SAID!

  24. de gap

    The Scotchman sounds like he’s stomping for Stalin.

  25. crossroads

    a lack of accountablity and acceptance of responsibility is not only shown by our politicans, but by the whole of our society,…………. Welcome to Barbados

  26. ??

    Note Jeromes change in tone….. I wonder?? quick to be critical of BLP backs off when DLP under pressure…..

  27. Jerome Hinds

    Should read

    ” Governments lose office when they FAIL to deliver those promises….!

  28. Bajanboy

    I really do not understand the DLP. They are being given the election if they would just stand up and promise to introduce a few pieces of key integrity and accountability legislation. Maybe they do not want to be in power if they cannot steal.

  29. Jerome Hinds

    ??
    May 22nd, 2007 at 6:53 pm
    Note Jeromes change in tone….. I wonder?? quick to be critical of BLP backs off when DLP under pressure…..

    *****************************************
    ?? Question Mark ,

    You cannot make up your mind to stay on the BFP site…..using your usual sign – in name !

    Where were you yesterday to comment about the plight of the school meal workers being given bounced cheques & broken promises ?

    Roosevelt King says he is in the red…..yet you BLP blights saying CWC 2007 a success…..!

    The DLP is under no pressure…..it is Owen Arthur who says no to Integrity Legislation….!

    Rawle Eastmond recent pronouncements on the subject is only to further expose how DIABOLICAL Owen is…..!

  30. BFP Cliverton Not Logged In

    To Jerome Hinds…

    Not good enough by half.

  31. Jerome Hinds

    BFP Cliverton Not Logged In
    May 22nd, 2007 at 7:01 pm
    To Jerome Hinds…

    Not good enough by half.
    **********************************************

    Your attack on the DLP has little merit if you cannot address the issue of what the DLP defectors were able to change once going over to the BEES camp !

    They condemned everything the BLP did & said while they were in the DEMS….!

    However, with the promise of Ministerial, Senatorial & Chairmanship picks from the BEES…..they now remain silent while all they condemned remains UNCHANGED….!

    BFP,

    How is that for Accountability ?? transparency ?? integrity ?? standards…..?

    Crossroads is correct when he says…..

    crossroads

    May 22nd, 2007 at 6:48 pm

    ” a lack of accountablity and acceptance of responsibility is not only shown by our politicans, but by the whole of our society,…………. Welcome to Barbados. ”

    BFP,

    You have to raise this debate to the level of the arms of government involved in the Body politic in this country….!

    The DLP & David Thompson are not an arm of Government…..but they have pledged that once given that responsibilty the issue would be addressed at that level….!

    It still remains TRUE…Political parties are elected on what they promise to do…!

    Governments lose office when they fail to deliver those promises….!

  32. Thistle

    Bajangyal: You’re right – I think they want the PEP. Have fun with Commissiong, BFP.

  33. Overly Idealistic

    Can’t vote in the BLP again. – had 2much already.
    can’t vote in the DLP,since they’re not good enough.
    Can’t vote in the PEP since that might result in a leftist Marxist-Leninist state
    with Hilary Beckles or Bobby Clarke as PM
    and that wun’t be cool at all.
    So. nobody to vote in. cool!

    Now what?
    We can sit here all idealistically, saying that simply NO-one is squeaky clean enough for the job, or we can vote in BFP…oh dear…can’t do that, coz they’re all anonymous en ting.
    so. now what?

    This is such fun!

  34. Yardbroom

    Conflict of interest rules are not some mana from heaven they will go some way towards preventing the corruption that exist in Barbados politics, but do not be completely fooled on that score.

    What we need are men/women of honesty and integrity in Government, who have the interest of the citizens of Barbados at heart.

    With dishonest men/women in Government with all the rules in the world they can be circumvented, it is the men and women of the right calibre we need.

  35. Thistle

    And where do we find them, Yardbroom? In La La Land??! Even in dear old Mother England, MPs have been kicking against integrity legislation. Yes, in ENGLAND, of all places!

  36. BFP Cliverton Not Logged In

    Without laws against corruption, who can withstand the temptation?

    Without laws mandating citizens’ rights to access government information, how will we discover who is corrupt?

    Why are the political elites so dead set against laws that only say they are to remain honest when in positions of authority?

    We the citizens of Barbados DEMAND laws that define and criminalize any misuse of office by an elected or appointed government official.

    Why the resistance?

  37. BFP Cliverton Not Logged In

    Yardbroom says…

    ….nevermind any laws.

    For anything, Yardbroom?

    Or is it just politicians that you think don’t need any laws?

    Think man!

  38. Zulu

    BFP
    Your point(s) is(are) well made. You are right about instituting REAL rules for members and candidates NOW.
    Good point.

  39. What election?

    “I really do not understand the DLP.
    They are being given the election if… “

    What election are they being given?
    You have a date for elections?
    Have elections been called? – when?
    Are you jumping the gun on everyone’s behalf?

    I believe I’m right is saying that elections are constitutionally due in 2008,
    that’s a long way away, right now.

    Sound to me like someone’s THIRSTY for elections, to the point of pretending that election fever is upon us, but when last I checked, there has been no declaration of a date,
    other than lots and lots of rumour,gossip and speculation on all our parts!
    Suggest you ‘hold your horses’, like how the DLP are doing.

    My goodness, we’re anxious!

  40. BFP

    Jerome…
    On what basis do you believe the promises of the DLP when they say they will institute integrity legislation once they are elected?
    Why do you believe them? Trust? Hope? Wishes?

    Why not set a precondition for your support… that the DLP institutes conflict of interest and integrity standards for their own candidates right now?

  41. Yardbroom

    Cliverton

    Where did I say never mind laws for anything, please reread my words I never said anything of the sort.

    To suggest that because someone does not agree with you they are not thinking is beyond the pale.

    No one and I repeat no one is the “fount of all wisdom”.

  42. Jerome Hinds

    BFP
    May 22nd, 2007 at 8:33 pm
    Jerome…

    On what basis do you believe the promises of the DLP when they say they will institute integrity legislation once they are elected?

    Why do you believe them? Trust? Hope? Wishes?

    ******************************************
    The very same reason why I along with the other thousands of BFP bloggers…….believe that BFP would publish the long PROMISED……Money – Laundering story…..!

    The very same reason I believe the DLP & BFP….TRUST ?? HOPE ?? WISHES ??

    Political parties / Web Sites / Blogs……remain credible on what they promise to do…!

    Governments / Web Sites / Blogs….lose credibility when they fill to deliver those promises….!

  43. Jerome Hinds

    The very same reason why I along with the other thousands of BFP bloggers…….believe that BFP would publish the long PROMISED……Money – Laundering story…..!

    The very same reason I believe the DLP & BFP….TRUST ?? HOPE ?? WISHES ??

    Political parties / Web Sites / Blogs……remain credible on what they promise to do…!

    Governments / Web Sites / Blogs….lose credibility when they fill to deliver those promises….!

  44. Anonymous

    I voting for one party and that is the DLP!!

  45. BFP Cliverton Not Logged In

    So Jerome…

    Again I ask.

    Why do you believe the DLP this time? They could have instituted conflict of interest standards for their own candidates anytime in the past 12 years or in the past year.

    Or tomorrow.

    Why do you believe them if they will not take that simple step?

    Why do you allow the DLP your support if they will not take that simple step?

    Blind loyalty? Wishes? Hope?

    Impose some conditions on your loyalty, Jerome.

  46. BFP Cliverton Not Logged In

    Yardbroom,

    I misread your statement and in my zeal attributed meanings to your words that weren’t there. Apologies.

    As to me being the “font of all wisdom”, from the moment I arrived back home George reminded me that my newly acquired degree “isn’t worth using as toilet paper” until I find suitable employment. George and I seldom agree on anything worthwhile but he might have a point this time.

    As to the money laundering article, Marcus says it is half written.

    Later this week you will understand why the delay.

  47. Jerome Hinds

    BFP Cliverton Not Logged In…..you are in bind !

    You accept Owen Arthur’s response that there is no need for Integrity Legislation in Barbados !

    While you now condemn the DLP for promising to institute such legislation !

    By the way, do you need to personally institute conflict of interest standards…….to prevent you from doing what is Moral & Just…?

    The debate about Integrity Legislation must embrace all facets of our system of governance i.e Executive , Judiciary , Parliament etc !

    It takes a blind person not to see these things !

  48. Jerome Hinds

    Should read,

    ” By the way, do you need to personally institute conflict of interest standards…….to ENSURE THAT you DO what is Moral & Just…? “

  49. BFP Cliverton Not Logged In

    Jerome…

    How the H*** can you say that we accept Owen Arthur’s statement that there is no need for Integrity Legislation in Barbados.

    Are you drinking this afternoon?

    We’ve taken Owen to task a dozen times for this because he is the man in power. All our readers know this. You know it too.

    What is the matter with you today, Jerome?

  50. Yardbroom

    Cliverton,
    Accepted, in very good faith.
    Yardbroom

  51. Brooklyn Samuels

    Yardbroom wrote: “With dishonest men/women in Government with all the rules in the world they can be circumvented, it is the men and women of the right calibre we need.”
    ———-

    Yardbroom, methinks your head would be a stirring candidate for the chopping blo….er, I mean to say the political arena.
    You struck at the core of the problem. What man or woman would stand up in Barbados, for the sake of integrity and honesty and service? Is there no one? Seriously? Who is respected by members of all parties, who would not succumb to wealthy special interests? Who would place ideals and the welfare of individual Barbadians above their own personal comfort?

    Trevor Carmichael?

  52. Anonymous

    BFP Cliverton Not Logged In,
    As to the money laundering article, Marcus says it is half written.

    Later this week you will understand why the delay.
    __________________________________
    “Just trust us” doesn’t work anymore.

    Won’t get fooled again.

    _____________________________
    YOU can choose to believe more promises. BFP wants to see real actions.

    A promise is a comfort to a fool – and we have all been very, very foolish.
    ___________________________________

    It really coming fuh trute?????

  53. Jerome Hinds

    BFP Cliverton Not Logged In

    That is my point !

    We the supporters of BFP have given you time to deliver on your PROMISE on the Money – Laundering story !

    We the electorate of Barbados have given / will give the DLP time to deliver on their PROMISE to implement Integrity Legislation !

    *** On the BFP Money – Laundering story…..BFP Cliverton Not Logged In says…

    ” As to the money laundering article, Marcus says it is half written.

    Later this week you will understand why the delay. ”

    *** On the Integrity Legislation the DLP says,

    ” dlpbarbados

    March 31st, 2007 at 2:16 am

    Hi Jerome

    The Democratic Labour Party through its political Leader and President has indicated that the party if given the opportunity to form the next government of Barbados will put in place accountability and transparency legislation in place.
    The party has to examine of course the different models across the Commonwealth to adapt that which is most applicable to our situation. ”

    ( Reproduced from the DLP Blog )

    All we mere mortals out here can do is wait to see if the BFP & DLP will keep their PROMISE…!

    Careful note should be paid to the subject matter in the link below :

    http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/19990628/cleisure/c5.html

    BFP Cliverton Not Logged In……I am very sober !

    I repeat…

    Political parties / Web Sites / Blogs……remain credible on what they promise to do…!

    Governments / Web Sites / Blogs….lose credibility when they fail to deliver on those promises….!

  54. BFP Cliverton Not Logged In

    Ok Jerome…

    We are behind by a few weeks on the money laundering article.

    Are you really attempting to equate the DLP silence on integrity legislation for 12 years with our promised article?

    If so, we are in luck! For just as soon as we present the article, the DLP will declare conflict of interest rules for its candidates.

    Pretty silly where you are taking the argument, Jerome.

    I take it that your support for the DLP is colouring your judgement.

    Again… if the DLP and Thompson were serious about integrity legislation, they could have said so a year ago.

    They could introduce conflict of interest rules for their candidates and sitting members tomorrow.

    ‘nuf said.

  55. Jerome Hinds

    BFP Cliverton Not Logged In

    It all hinges on the credibility of the PROMISE !

    You are asking us to hold faith with you…..that you will deliver on the money – laundering PROMISE !

    The DLP is asking Barbadians to hold faith with them…..that they will deliver on the enactment of Integrity Legislation PROMISE once in Office !

    It this coloured judgement….?

    BFP Cliverton Not Logged In……BFP & the DLP has ask us to be PATIENT & WAIT….!

    ‘nuf said.

  56. Hants

    The title of this thread is in keeping with what I expect from the BLP blog,the Nation and the Advocate.

    What next?

    BFP supports the reelection of the BLP as OWING promises Integrity Legislation?

  57. Thistle

    BFP: DLP Leader David Thompson tells a Whopper of a BIG LIE.

    Eh? A WHOPPER of a BIG LIE? Your English Grammar is slipping (do they still teach it in schools these days?). Either he told a whopper of a lie, or he told a big lie. Not both. Furthermore, how can it be a lie when the event hasn’t come to pass yet? How will you react if he does indeed get the integrity legislation passed. Beak brek? I hope so.

  58. reality check

    Eventually we are all judged by what we do in life.

    While the BFP appears to be late with their promised money laundering articles they have produced remarkably manyfold for the people of Barbados by having an open and free discussion of ideas—often entertaining.

    The DLP appears to have done nothing substantive but make promses instead of acting like a true opposition for roughly the same time that David took over the party.

    The Emperor David appears to be wearing no clothes and Jerome appears to be delivering the same yarn to the weavers.

    Its time to put up.

  59. DFX

    Thistle,

    They still teach English in schools these days, and in mine too, somehow I remember a play by a fellow named William something or the other and it had a line about a cut being the most unkindest cut of all. So if he could get away with after hundreds of years I see no problem with what BFP posted.

    LOL

    DFX

  60. DFX

    OOPS!
    “get away with it after”

  61. BFP Cliverton Not Logged In

    Whew!!!!! Sorry about the using baddest grammer folks!

    Now…

    What exactly has the DLP or the BLP done during the past 12 months to ensure that their candidates have no conflicts of interest?

    Oh….

    Thought so.

  62. Jerome Hinds

    BFP Cliverton Not Logged In
    May 23rd, 2007 at 1:21 am
    Whew!!!!! Sorry about the using baddest grammer folks!

    Now…

    What exactly has the DLP or the BLP done during the past 12 months to ensure that their candidates have no conflicts of interest?

    Oh….

    Thought so.

    ***************************************
    The very same thing like BFP…..Promisinig , Promising , Promising….!

    Are they any more promises in the store….?

  63. Jerome Hinds

    Should read,

    ” Are THERE any more promises in the store….? “

  64. Thistle

    BFP Cliverton Not Logged In:

    “What exactly has the DLP or BLP done …?”

    You want a straightforward Limey answer? BUGGER ALL!

    Jerome, you’re my pal, man, but Clivie is right, and TWO WRONGS DON’T MAKE A RIGHT! Tell the DLP to get their fingers out.

  65. Red Lake Lassie

    Cliverton is in a state today. I think he needs a girlfriend PDQ! 😉

    I don’t understand why Thompy and O$A don’t know that stealing politicians are the only thing Barbadians see when we see them two. BFP is 100percent about promises are no good this time. Why dont Thompy put up rules for his own party it woudl make the blp look so bad.

  66. Hants

    BFP are you losing focus here?

    The BLP is the party in power in Barbados.

    The DLP is the opposition. Attacking the opposition makes no sense. They do not have enough seats in the house to stop Government from wasting taxpayers money.

    The people of Barbados can do that by Electing the Dems.
    The power is in the hands of the voters on voting day.

    All DLP can do is wait until they are elected and try to correct the problems created by the BLP.

    BFP says “Zulu… for the DLP to merely SAY they will do such and such when elected is no longer an acceptable answer. The DLP and the BLP have both promised integrity legislation in the past… decades ago. Why should we believe them this time?

    Lets be fair. 12 years have gone since the DLP was in power. Are you suggesting that they can’t be believed because more than 12 years ago under different leadership they failed to pass Integrity legislation.

    Well BFP let us hear from you who you believe and which party you are supporting in the next Election.
    We know who the Advocate is endorsing. What about BFP?

  67. Jerome Hinds

    Good points Hants.

    The BFP have to reconcile with these salient points as far as electoral politics are concerned…

    Political parties are still elected on what they promise to do…!

    Governments lose office when they fail to deliver on those promises….!

    For starters…..BFP going ” soft ” on Lynette Eastmond & Owen Arthur tells us a lot of where they might be heading…or GONE…!

    Wednesday, February 14th, 2007…9:16 pm
    Government Minister Lynette Eastmond Volunteers To Answer Questions By Barbados Free Press Readers

  68. bajejun

    BFP I have to agree with jerome, you made a promise to make known certain fact, your announcement alone on your blog would indicate that you were prepared to go public with the information, however because of whatever reason you failed, time has passed you made your promise yet failed deliver, now you ask us to hold, wait and see what you do, yet you have the power to print it today if you desired. Amazingly you condemn the DLP , for saying the same thing . Whether it is two days, two years or 12 years. If I make a grand announcement about something I will do without putting a time frame on it, the expectation is immediate, If after that grand announcement I then find excuses my credibillity is in doubt. Give the DLP a break you condemn them with the same fork tongue.

  69. stealth bomber

    I barf at this talk of integrity legislation by the dems. will frank da silva, david thompson, brandford taitt and leroy parris have to abide by this too ?

  70. Wishing in Vain

    We are spinning tops in mud here there can only be one outcome in the upcoming election and that is the removal of the blp from office and to meet this goal Owing, Mia , Lynch, Atherly , Clarke and all the rest need to loose all their seats and we the people have the power in our hands to make this happen how we use this power is the question.
    What is for certain this country CANNOT withstand another 5 years of this gross mismanagement and wholesale stealing that this present regime has masterminded and lived out of for the past 12 years.
    They need to go forthwith at great haste, and let us install a new cadre of people to save this country from its doom.

  71. reality check

    It appears that the only real opposition in Barbados for the past year has been th BFP not the DLP.

    Unfortuneately, to date they are not a political party and we are left without transparency, accountability and the like but rather a bunch of
    pathetic defenders from both parties who can only promise things will get better.

    One can only assume the fatted calf story is completely accurate and the next set of pigs are salivating at the overtaxed, plundered and emaciated milk cow that Barbados has become. Citizens and taxpayers beware. The fingerpointing will start very soon but the substance will be non-existent. Despair

  72. Red Lake Lassie

    I understand exactly why BFP is hard on the DLP because the DLP are next up and they are acting exactly like the BLP because they know they will win.

    The DLP yardfowl is attacking BFP because BFP is showing the world that the DLP is same as the BLP. No diffrence.

  73. samizdat

    1. The current administration is corrupt to the core. That is now beyond dispute.

    2. Filling a vacuum left by an intimidated or compromised local press, the BFP and similar blogs have come to play an increasingly influential role in documenting examples of this corruption.

    3. It’s clear that one BFP’s primary goals is to hammer home relentlessly the desperate need for transparency/accountability/integrity legislation, regardless of what political party is in power.

    4. The BFP is understandably sceptical as to whether a DLP adminstration, once in power, would be any less corrupt than the present government UNLESS compelled to be so by legislation. Its pre-election promises are meaningless unless backed up by an irrevocable manifesto commitment to such legislation.

    Seems to me that’s really all this thread is trying to say – though perhaps not very lucidly or accurately (Thompson is actually misquoted if you read The Nation article).

  74. Hants

    Reality Check the BLP is the Government and can make things better.

    The DLP is the opposition and will state their intentions in a manifesto.

    The DLP is a solid cohesive party, capable of the good Governance of Barbados. They have in place proper organisational structure to challenge the BLP in the next Election.

    Barbadians will have a clear choice in the next Election and I hope they choose the DLP.

    Lest you forget, Barbados has thousands of educated people capable of running for office and a lot of them are members of the DLP.

    BLP spin doctors would like the public to believe that they have a monopoly of capable people.

    Bajans know better.

    The DLP is a real and better choice.

  75. samizdat

    Let me pose a question to all contributors:

    Is your desire to oust a corrupt government so desperate that come what may you will vote DLP (or even PEP) next election, irrespective of any firm commitment to integrity/conflict of interest legislation?

  76. passin thru

    samizdat says Thompson is misquoted by BFP (?)

    I cut/past this from the Nation article:

    “Barbados needs a change of Government. Barbadians are ready to change their Government. The DLP is ready to assume the mantle of leadership of Barbados.”

    I cut/paste this from BFP:

    “Barbados needs a change of Government. Barbadians are ready to change their Government. The DLP is ready to assume the mantle of leadership of Barbados.”

    Where did BFP misquote Thompson? Or was it The Nation that misquote him?

  77. passin thru

    What bout fattened calf comment from Thompson? Sounds like a piggy wiggy getting ready to eat. If Thompson is so honest why did he not make some rules for his party already?

    Fat calf for the DLPs! That is Thompson’s promise.

  78. passin thru

    Hants says “All DLP can do is wait until they are elected and try to correct the problems created by the BLP.”

    Hogwash! They could have already created integrity rules and put them to their members. They could have made rules for their own MPs. They could have created legislation all ready to be declared when they are elected. They could have asked the government about conflict of interest rules every day in speeches. DLP could have published their rules in the papers. Wait? They only wait for the fat calf.

  79. Yardbroom

    Regardless of which party you support – I have adroitly never mentioned or supported a particular party – on a fair analysis of the situation, one would conclude the present Government by their actions in government and in some instances inaction should be removed from office, if for no other reason than to register the displeasure of the electorate.

    With regard to Integrity Rules they are laudable and their is merit in their enactment, but the problem then becomes who is on the commission or the body which oversees compliance.

    My reasoning has always been, we need the type of person who is honest enough to enter politics for the good of his/her country and fellow citizens.

    I have been chided for seeking those citizens, but we have to believe that in the population of Barbados such people exist. I cannot believe that in the population of Barbados, we cannot find a few dozen honest men and women with the ability and intelligence to govern our fair country.

    Someone even suggested how can we expect to find such individuals, have we become so corrupted as a country that ordinary elements of honesty and decency are considered unatainable attributes in the general population.

    We are in danger of saying that everyone is dishonest and a thief, not only politicians and government officers, but the general population from whence they came.

    Perhaps I am shouting against the wind, but I cannot subscribe to the belief that those people are not out there. Perhaps there might have to be a change of habit or personality on the road to Damascus for some politicians , but without that as a country we have no future.

    The points I have alluded to are in many instances beyond the immediate, but the past has as much bearing on the present as the present will have on the future.

  80. Rumplestilskin

    Well said Yardbroom. I agree with your sentiments but for one point.

    It would appear that the electorate generally are more impressed with the ‘brand’ of politician who excels at verbal abuse on the platform, who loves to pander to whatever their wishes even if only by empty promises, who dips to the bottom of the barrel in ‘playing ‘politics’ i.e. the alleged cutlass-wielding on the platform, who are willing to ‘buy’ votes rather than rely on a sound and decent philosophical approach to political leadership.

    The old saying that the people deserve the Government that they get has some merit.

    Unfair? We as a people stand back and accept such things as price gouging after mumblings of complaint. We do not act i.e. leave things on the shelf, as a group. A few may take a stand, but we as people, as consumers as users of services i.e. minibuses, do not take a stand against things that need correcting.

    I was extremely please and proud a few months ago when the UWI students took a stand against minibuses servicing their route, after the abuse by three women against two students.

    The good needs to stand against the bad. Are there too many bad? Have we got complacent? Can you imagine three women assaulting two girl students and it not be raised nationally into something more, apart by the students themselves?

    Immoral, disgusting behaviour by some decrepit individuals that needs to be wiped out. They should be made to leave it to their own living rooms, not subject the rest of us to it.

    For every negative their is a positive or counterweight.

    Which is why extremism and hard retaliation sometimes occurs, because if the balancing forces are not used to prevent negative behaviour early, the counterbalance must be all that greater.

    Such disgusting behaviour as exampled above provides food for those political and religious extremists who seek to push their agendas on a society. Such gives them inroads by showing the existing decay and offering an ‘alternative’.

    Balance and counterbalance.

  81. Rumplestilskin

    I am looking forward to the DLP’s new push back to agriculture, even in those plantation properties owned by large insurance companies.

    No more land conversion to condo units from agriculture, we have plenty of arid land.

    I am looking forward to new rules on public project tendering, management and financial publication.

    I am looking forward to new rules on integrity legislation.

    I am looking forward to new rules on appointment to the Senate, to provide truly independent Senators, there are only a couple now.

    I am looking forward to a rethink on CSME and what it means to us, we must stop short of common currency.

    I am looking forward towards a more realistic traffic plan, including stopping of the flyover project.

    I am looking forward to a revived healthcare program, including plans for a new state-of-the-art hospital, with plans for having the old QEH as either consolidated Government offices or sold to private enterprise. Increased training for nurses both in quality and volume output and with better pay when they are qualified.

    I am looking forward to an improved Police service remuneration program.

    I am looking forward to a review of the secondary school education system, including behaviour and life-counselling for students.

    I am looking forward to a review of our fishing industry, with a view to improving the quality of our fishing vessels that they may go further, fish more effectively in deeper waters, source a ‘free’ food from international waters.

    I am looking forward to accountability in Government and the Public Service.

    What say you Mr. Thompson?

  82. Crusty

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogenes_of_Sinope :

    “Diogenes used to stroll through the Agora at full
    daylight with a torch (or, as legend sometimes has
    it, a lantern). When asked what he was doing, he
    would answer, “I am just looking for an honest
    man.” Diogenes looked for an honest man, and
    reputedly found nothing but rascals and scoundrels.”

    The rest of the article makes interesting reading too.

  83. Thistle

    Hants, I agree with you. I did not vote in the last G.E. because I did not like the DLP wimpish fool who was the candidate. But I’m truly perplexed by the rantings of bloggers running around like chickens without heads: “Oh, God, vote out the BLP”, “oh God, DON’T vote DLP”. No use asking what do they want, then, because we KNOW what they want – what we ALL want – honesty and integrity. As a rule, it takes a very strong person of honesty/integrity to enter politics because they’ll get dragged down by the crabs in the bucket. So – will we get honesty/integrity if we (a) don’t vote at all? (b) vote for the PEP? It looks to me as if people on this blog are heading in that direction. Winston Churchill once said, “A decision is better than no decision”. My conclusion? I am willing to give the DLP a chance. If they mess up, they gone through the eddoes. And after that? Well, who knows? I could be over the Other Side looking down (or Up – I don’t know which!) and laughing at the whole lot.

  84. Peltdown Man

    All this talk about integrity legislation. What makes you all think that it will make any difference? How many laws are being broken now? Nobody cares.

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  86. BoD

    Yardbroom for new extensive Board of Directors of FTC, commissioned for drafting new laws on integrity, and recommendations on transparency.

  87. North Star

    As usual Rumplestilksen has made good points of his expectation if David Thompson forms the next Government.

    And let me add these wishes to the list. Under no circumstances should Graeme Hall ever be developed and turned into a Water Park by some greedy US developer who knows such a project is not and will never be sustainable but will make him a lot of money while ruining the Barbados landscape and a valuable wetland. This would be madness! Graeme Hall is a National treasure and resource that Barbados has few of.

    We must at all costs start dedicating certain sections of the islands landscape as “greenbelt” areas and not allowed to be developed. Too many people are raping the natural resources of Barbados especially foreigners to live there part time and who are wealthy enough to walk away from their investment when they ruin the island.

    Instead of making visitors alone pay a heavy and unjustified “departure” tax maybe some form of taxation should be applied to seasonal visitors owning properties in Barbados most of which are huge and wasting the energy resources of the island at the expense and cost of two and three generation Barbadians.

  88. ??

    Seems Jerome is having problems taking pressure. To answer one of your queries I made a decision to back off posting on BFP, and concentrate my efforts on more productive activities, but still check evry day for comments and found it interesting that when under pressure you become very defensive. You want integrity legislation now for BLP but thing in the unlikely event that the DLP wins election there should be broadbased discussion. What utter garbage. I support calls for integrity legislation NOW. Your recent comments are as nonsencical as the utterances of the representative of St Luci at the Brittons Hill meeting. Stop trying to fool people that you are for integrity legislation when in fact you are not.

  89. Herman

    BFP you are again unfair to David Thompson. Where is the big whopper lie he told? In our Westminster system with small numbers in Parliament the opposition is little more than a pressure group. This BLP government must remain the focus of our scrutiny. They have absolute power. Owen Arthur is as close to a dictator as one can get. Why attack Thompson? With 24-6 majority BLP can pass any law. David Thompson and DLP cannot.
    BFP you should instead post the following pressing topics for discussion.

    (1)BFP cyberspace voice of the people but where is the promised money laundering expose?
    (2)The merger/take over of BS+T with/by Neal and Massy. Does white corporate structure prefer light skinned Trinis to take over businesses instead of Bajan blacks. History says yes.

  90. John

    The problem we face is that we get candidates put up by the parties who have little or no merit.

    It is at candidate selection that democracy falls down.

    As an example, in St. Lucy this time we will no longer have the PM’s brother to vote for as a candidate for the BLP.

    He lost that right because 26 people voted for someone else. However 25 voted for him.

    So we in St. Lucy who are going to vote B will have a candidate who 26 people from St. Lucy support and say is proper.

    It is at the constituency branch level that we are being screwed.

    Who knows, many of the 26 people who voted for the alternative to the PM’s brother may have been brought on the party bus from the District Hospital for an outing.

    The DLP may very well be no different.

    We have two options:

    Either we have to invade the two party branches by joining up and ensure we don’t get a candidate foisted on us by the party hierarchy who get to stage manage the candidate selection process.

    Maybe we move the party hierarchy too!! The parties can be changed from within by democratic means.

    Or, more of us must be prepared to stick our necks out and run as independents.

    Imagine if Parliament was run by independents, a bit like it was for 300 plus years!!

    …. and if these options are not palatable and we don’t want to be soiled by politics by taking part in the democratic processes of our country, then we then must either take what we get or ensure that the necessary rules to control the excesses of the candidates are in force, and …. enforced.

    How we get that done without being a part of the process is unimaginable!!

  91. ??

    Herman, your comments are interesting but DLP has power through PAC which Mr Thompson refuses to use Why? surely if there is corruption in givernment the PAC is the body to investigate/report Thompson has a majority on PAC yet fails to act. Re BS& T I think your comments are interesting but the real question is who owns BS&T surely it is the shareholders, what say ahve they had in the issue? Will B’dos benefit …. inthe long run perhaps but I honestly think that BS&T and Neal and Massey lost public support because of poor PR. They need to show how we will benefit.

  92. BFP

    Hello Herman

    Why have you changed your name from “Anonymous” that you have been using for some time?

    The big lie being told by Thompson is that Bajans under the DLP are far more honest than Bajans under the BLP.

    People are only people, and where there are no rules and much temptation people cannot resist lining their pockets. That is true no matter which party they support – Bajans of all political stripes are just ordinary people.

    Currently there are no laws against elected officials awarding government contracts to themselves, their family members or their friends. Conflict of interest and integrity legislation would make that illegal.

    Currently there are no laws requiring an elected official to disclose assets and income, so there is no way of auditing their integrity or of holding them accountable for illegal or unethical behaviour.

    Currently, there are no laws respecting campaign financing or how monies are to be managed or declared. Therefore, the Prime Minister can deposit all the “campaign donations” he likes to his personal bank account and he is not breaking any laws.

    Illegal or unethical behaviour is undefined in law – which means anything they do is legal.

    Thompson and the DLP could have easily implemented rules for their own members during the past year if they really cared at all about conflict of interest & integrity.

    But they did not. Why?

  93. Herman

    ?? I am unsure of make up of PAC. My understanding is GOB forms majority. Thompson might be chairman but in essence he cannot get far without support of GOB members. We know and understand that is never going to happen. PAC is a toothless tiger. Quisling Mascoll prior to betrayal threatened to use PAC to investigate and censure Owen over GEMS, UDC etc. Move flopped because membership biased heavily towards GOB.

  94. Hugh

    ?? Neal and Massey and BS&T lost public support because it is part of a never ending loss of Barbados in the name of “Globalisation?????”

    If this is such a good deal why don’t all the big companies in Barbados try to”merge” with bigger companies.

    What is wrong with this. “WHOLLY BARBADIAN OWNED.”

  95. John

    Here is an example of what we have as candidates in St. Thomas.

    Cynthia (B) and Haldene (D) after a couple of weeks of farmers complaining about water shortages and householders hollering for murder arrive on the scene.

    Their pronouncement, it is all up to the BWA.

    The problem I believe is a strategic one and supercedes BWA whose role is a tactical one.

    BWA is able to pump a fixed volume of water in a given year from the various aquifers without destroying them. This is the strategic limitation within which they have to work.

    The demand for water is increased by drought.

    At the moment there is a short (hopefully) period of drought so demand has increased.

    However, the supply has been capped by natural causes so what happens is somebody has to go without.

    Normally, there are areas which are routinely supplied by tankers and there are people who routinely go without. This is part of the tactical response to the increase by BWA.

    These tankers are unavailable to supply the extra areas that become exposed as a result of the increased demand.

    The BWA cannot respond tactically.

    More people than normal thus suffer.

    Candidates can’t play deaf.

    Solution:

    Not more tankers for BWA but send the candidates back to school to learn a little geography …… or replace them with people who know a bit about their own country.

    This way the development options for Barbados will become a bit clearer.

    … altenatively, we can wait for more rain to solve the problem by reducing the demand.

    Strategically, now is not a good time to call elections!!

    Wait for rain!!

  96. North Star

    Integrity Legislation can be a false sense of security because politicians will write the guidelines and no matter which party does that you can bet there will be enough protection in it to protect these buffoons from prosecution or jail. So be careful what you wish for because it might be a big let down if it happens!
    The system of “Democracy” and the peoples right to know all over the world has been degraded to such a point that most have no faith in the Democratic process. In major countries like Canada 45% or more of the populace especially the young do not vote because of cynicism.
    Democracy as we know it today in the Free world serves mainly politicians, the Industrial culture and the wealthy. And this is so because politicians of all stripes have puposely made it so and for their own protection and that of their allies.

    **********************

    BFP comments

    North Star, no amount of law-making will ever “solve” everything, but…

    Without laws against driving too fast, we have no way of making reckless speeders conform to what is best for us all.

    Without laws against using public position to award contracts to family members, we have no way of stopping this abuse of trust by politicians.

    The very first step is to criminalise the behaviour. Without that, politicians of all parties are freely able to do as they please without breaking any laws. It is as simple as that.

  97. John

    Simple question.

    How many people in St. Thomas voted to have Haldene and Cynthia as candidates for the whole of St. Thomas to vote for?

    Unless we feel these two people can represent our interests we have to take what we get!!

    Not voting or voting one party out and the other in does not really address the fundamental problem which is the quality of the candidates.

    So we get our Noels and Owens and …..

  98. Inkwell

    Oh dear, the BFP is stirring the pot again and as expected the DLP has army stormed out on counter attack with blazing guns and frothing mouths.

    I have been ducking down behind my desk to avoid the golf balls flying left, right and center and now that things have cooled off…..slightly, I take the risk of raising my head cautiously to make a few observations.

    Thompson’s fatted calf speech is a clear indication that we cannot expect integrity legislation from his party, no matter how many pretty words he utters now. Unless he comes out and categorically withdraws and apologizes for those remarks, we cannot believe anything he now says in regard to the implementation of such legislation AFTER we give him the government. Don’t tell me anything about manifesto promises, cause this is the same party which in the past repudiated its manifesto, claiming that it was not a social contract. The DLP lost me at that point and if they do not institute integrity rules for its members before next general election, they will not get me back.

    That the DLP proponents on this blog cannot see or will not admit that pressuring their party to institute these rules now is the only way that we will have a chance of rescuing Barbados from the greed of politicians is an indication that they don’t care about any such rescue, only to get their turn at the fatted calf.

    Their can be no excuse for the DLP not to have used the PAC to expose the government waste and corruption which they have been trumpeting, especially since it was reconstituted to give them control. They haven’t peed yet, but still refuse to get off the poe. What does that say about them?

    I say let them stay in opposition until they demonstrate that they are willing to do what we, the voters want…it will only take five more years. That is the only way we will bring about change.

    Five more years of tiefing under the present regime is a small price to pay for the eventual reinstatement of the power of the people.

  99. I back Northstar with respect to Graeme Hall National Park. So do the great majority, I feel.

    Why then has David Thompson not come out strongly in support of Graeme Hall National Park as a main platform for DLP? The Caribbean Splash venture stinks of possible bribery of Government officials, and Graeme Hall is an obvious Cause which many Barbadians will wholeheartedly support.

    Unless Thompson speaks out loudly for Graeme Hall Nartional Park and against Caribbean Splash, how can we have any faith in him? He needs emotional issues like this to be a credible leader.

    I will vote for his party if he supports GHNP. I will NOT vote for DLP if he and his candidates do not support GHNP.

  100. North Star

    BLP I am not arguing with what you suggest I am, merely saying what good has it done to stop corruption in other countries that have it in place?

    How many Canadian, USA or UK politicians have you seen sent to prision? It is different for the little people caught speeding, stealing etc but politicians are like the “teflon” man.

    A few years ago the Federal Liberals stole millions in the Sponsorship Scandal in Canada. No politician went to jail and the only fall guy Guite still isn’t in jail.

    Three weeks ago a scandal rocked the Provincial Ontario Government where they gave $20 million to organizations who supported them. There was no strings attached and no one consulted. It took two weeks of opposition battering before the Liberals finally conceded to hand the matter over to the Auditor General for investigation. That is my point.

    And yes it is like other laws but in many instances the results are the same. Are we reducing murders, drunk drivers, drugs because of these laws?

    They are required but results are poor at best

  101. Adrian

    North Star
    May 23rd, 2007 at 12:49 pm
    Integrity Legislation can be a false sense of security because politicians will write the guidelines and no matter which party does that you can bet there will be enough protection in it to protect these buffoons from prosecution or jail. So be careful what you wish for because it might be a big let down if it happens!
    The system of “Democracy” and the peoples right to know all over the world has been degraded to such a point that most have no faith in the Democratic process. In major countries like Canada 45% or more of the populace especially the young do not vote because of cynicism.
    Democracy as we know it today in the Free world serves mainly politicians, the Industrial culture and the wealthy. And this is so because politicians of all stripes have puposely made it so and for their own protection and that of their allies.
    —————————————————————–
    Soooooo we accept things as they are, recognize the futility of agitating for change, huddle in our two’s and three’s and whine? Is this how the canadians handle the vexing reality of their government?

  102. Adrian

    ha ha ha ha here i am again with the same old, tired refrain. BFP is oh so correct, yet still to a large extent the change is needed. Changing the actors in this pantomimic contrivance cannot give us the much needed change to the governance our lives and country, for such change must occur to the very system that gives life to all that we find disgusting about our political class. A system that at it’s very core insists upon the use of corruption, placements and the issuance of non-meritorious pensions, accolades and “knighthood”, in order to concentrate the power that it needs to be viable, cannot be made whole, by the enactment of laws and policies that seeks to curtails, the very activity that it breeds and breath. NorthStar is correct also, integrity legislation will not be the miracle we may think it can be, such laws are but a bigger set of teeth than what currently exist, like the “Prevention of corruption act” what good is any size and set of teeth if there is no meat with which to tear into? However, in-spite of the seemly futility of actor replacement in this continual enigmatic saga called Westminster bajanstyle, changing the current actors is indisputably necessary. It can serve to send a message to the political class, that no longer will the people be tolerating these rags to riches stories, that “lil black boys” will be held to the same standards expected of “non lil blackboys” when accessing our money and exercising power in our names, that the title “honourable member” will be grounded in the reality of their actions.

  103. Fuzzy

    Deb Thomas, you should watch what your representatives do: If any Parliament member votes for the proposed National Physical Development Plan, they will be voting against the Graeme Hall National Park.

    The proposed Plan is coming up very soon for debate and vote, and it calls for building houses and other urban corridor development for all of the agricultural lands at Graeme Hall. This would kill the National Park concept.

    The only way this can change is if there is some sort of amendment or directive to change the Graeme Hall land use designation back to Agriculture/Open Space/Nature Reserve on Map 4 and related pages of the PROPOSED 2003 (Amended) Physical Development Plan.

    There are good people in both the BLP and DLP who are aware of this problem. They should also know that just because there hasn’t been much publicity lately about the issue, it hasn’t gone away.

  104. Fuzzy- Thanks, but how will I watch what my rep does or says when they all talk out of both sides of their mouth and do so little?

    Is it too much to ask for the leader of the opposition to come out publicly in favour of Graeme Hall National Park?

    From what you say it seems we will wake up one morning to find that the National Physical Development Plan has been rubber stamped by the politicians, and Graeme Hall National Park will give way to more urban sprawl.

    Then we can all lament why we did nothing in time to save it. What a bunch of ineffective cowards we all are. At the next open house of the Nature Sanctuary we should throw all politicians present into an ecologically selected part of the water gardens to show we mean business.

  105. North Star

    To Adrian as I said to BFP change whatever you want to change I have no problem with that. But at the end of the day change will be measured in what it accomplishes. That is my simple point!

    When you introduce “Intergrity” legislation do you for one moment believe politicians charged with making the change and enacting the Legislation are not going to enact it where they are not protected from litigation or jail? Come on how naive can you be!

    Change that changes nothing is as bad as no change at all.

    In many instances if not all “Integrity” Legislation is as useful as the Iraqi Government bringing in hanging or a firing squad to deal with suicide bombers!

  106. Somebody help Barbados

    BArbadians always come across to me as if they are helpless. Come on people think, think, think…

    DAvid Thompson is one person. The BLP has an almost fully new slate of candidates. The BLP will be running back ms. bite it..and ms. marry-for-money-but-drop-the-marry-name-again-now and all of the other scoundrels. In the 2006 budget reply owen had to go back to greaves’ time to find dirt…we just have to go back to yesterday to find something the bees did wrong…LEt the new candidates of the DLP have a chance…keep lobbying for integrity legislation and The dees will have to give it…but the only pep i want is in a bottle and the bees got to go…

  107. Somebody help Barbados

    Correction the DLP has an almost fully new slate of candidates…

  108. Warrior

    Why is everyone acting so surprised and jumping on this “fatted calf”, fire rage wagon whilst the indians circling.

    We already know that there is not one honest politician to be found in Barbados, even if you were to put all of them in a barrel – throw in couple monkeys for good measure and roll them down a hill.

    We all know that both B and D dishonest as heck and still we here scratching heads and everything else. stuppseee

    If de man seh he gwine kill the fatted calf leh he kill um nuh! Then there would be none for he nor we.

    I really don’t understand all the hoopla. It is just a case of “If none – any”. I know who’s not getting my X. story done!!

  109. North Star

    Personally I think David Thompson could be the right leader at the right time for Barbados. Regrettably David his own worse enemy. He lacks passion, aggression, conviction and it seems the will to become the next Prime Minister by being too sub serviant and mellow. Mr. Eversley his spokesperson can only do so much but David has to address the real issues important to the ordinary Barbadian and that in my opinion he is not doing, but it is not too late for him to reverse his fortunes!

    David has to go on the public record and convince the masses that he is the savior of little people and as the Nike commercial says “just do it”.

    We have to protect the environmental assets of our Nation as most other Nations are doing who have much larger land masses than Barbados. Look after the needs of the majority, clean up schools, and a host of simple bread and butter issues, but more importantly foreigners must be told in no uncertain terms the best interests of Barbados comes first ahead of their motives for making money

    We have to put the brakes on indiscriminate development and concentrate on taking back our land from the clutches of foreigners who have no vested interst in Barbados other than to pillage its resources.

    David Thompson has to convince the decade old forgotten Barbadian that he will lead them out of the wilderness or he will become another one who just ran.

    Ask ones self this question. In spite of all of what is transpiring in Barbados as it relates to mega development, fly overs, etc what has all of this done in making a better life for the impoverished?

    And on top of this we are seeing the Tourism product fade into the sunset!

  110. Fuzzy

    Deb – so far, and interestingly, Graeme Hall National Park has been supported by good people of both BLP and DLP. The Park would serve the children of both parties, as well as others. Perhaps the Park represents a place where old adversaries could meet, with respect and perhaps friendship, knowing that there are thousands who may vote opposing positions, but at the core is the fact that all are patriots with a deep love for Barbados.

    I would like to think that perhaps there could be some bipartisan leadership in Parliament to make sure the integrity of the Park and the offers of support remain.

    Got a little mushy there…

    That said, I believe that if the proposed 2003 (Amended) National Physical Development Plan (as currently written) is passed by the representatives of the people in Parliament, it can only mean that the majority of people and their Government wanted houses and commercial development at Graeme Hall instead of a 240-acre (+-) Graeme Hall National Park.

  111. Warrior

    Inkwell
    May 23rd, 2007 at 1:08 pm

    That the DLP proponents on this blog cannot see or will not admit that pressuring their party to institute these rules now is the only way that we will have a chance of rescuing Barbados from the greed of politicians is an indication that they don’t care about any such rescue, only to get their turn at the fatted calf.
    **********************************************************
    A man persuaded against his will is of the the same persuasion still. If they don’t want the Integrity Legislation and they are pressured into bringing it then – of the same persuasion still. Some would say laws are meant to be broken.

  112. Inkwell

    If they don’t want integrity legislation then we should not want them. What will it achieve if all we get with a change of government is more of the same. That is what we will get, more of the same, if we do not insist now before elections on an upliftment of the standards of behaviour and accountability of our politicians.

    We cannot achieve it with the present lot in government because they are already entrenched, but we must exert all the pressure we can on the aspirants in order to achieve the desired change.

    North Star’s objectives and platform for the DLP and Thompson are laudable, but he has a difficulty in persuading the electorate that he is the man if he will not accept the need for integrity legislation.

    The other and greater obstacle in his way in my view is persuading the electorate to put the future of Barbados back into the same hands that were instrumental in frigging it up so successfully in the ’91 to ’94 period. That’s what I am really afraid of. What has changed that now qualifies Thompson to manage the economy that he as minister of finance chewed up last chance he had?

    Surely that is a worry that should occupy the minds of those calling for change at any cost.

  113. cat eyes

    But BFP forgot to add that Thompson listed his candidates and declared, at the Sunday night meeting, that his candidates, unlike the BLP rake and scrape crew, are for the most part qualified professionals WHO HAVE THEIR OWN MONEY!!!!
    Owen Arthur was eased into the leadership of the BLP after he appeared in Parliament crying, saying he would be forced to leave politics because he “could not live” on the income he was making. Some felt it was just he and Beverley, but he had hidden children he had to support. Bev was busy working in NY helping to support him. Clyde has always let it be known, before crossing, that his attorney wife supported him! Folks will also tell you of the fortunes of Noel, Liz, Prescod, Cynthia, Rommel, Farley et al BEFORE they became MPs in this govt. My grandad always said you never put a hungry man to share the food. Thompson advised that the crowd line them up against the Dems from St. Lucy to Ch. Ch. and compare them.

  114. Fuzzy- Don’t mind you got a bit mushy. I like a man big enough to cry on occasion.

    But for all the fine talk about how great Graeme Hall National Park will be for my grandchildren, why in tarnation won’t Thompson come out and say he and his party will fight for it? Is he going to make bucks out of the concrete jungle which will be the alternative?

    Are really going to have to sabotage Caribbean Splash to show we are serious?

  115. P.S. Make that final paragraph “Are we really…”

  116. E.L.F.

    speaking of sabotage, maybe the Earth Liberation Front might take an interest. They’re the experts.

  117. Najo

    I donot understand why would right thinking Barbadians think that David Thompson and the DLP is not able to manage our economy in an effective way. They are more that capable. David has the knowledge, experience and love for the poor working class Barbadian which as always been the core value of the DLP. LETS GIVE THE DLP A CHANCE

  118. Fuzzy

    Deb, I don’t know exactly why Thompson or anyone else in either party won’t stand up for Graeme Hall National Park, but maybe a few guesses:

    1. If BLP stands up for the National Park, they would be sending a bad signal to Caribbean Splash and Kerins. It’s easier for the PM to stall Kerins’ appeal to make life easier for now, or much easier should BLP lose the election which would pass the problem on to the next poor PM.

    2. Thompson won’t say anything because he is perhaps ignorant of the fact that healthy societies require open space based on known environmental and urban planning principles, or he is arrogant enought to think that he doesn’t have to publicise a stand on Graeme Hall and the upcoming Physical Develoment Plan vote in Parliament because he is confident he can get elected anyway. Or, he’s afraid that if he takes a stand that it will cramp his economic options later. It’s probably a combination of all things, and a terrible reflection on Thompson’s leadership.

    As to “sabotaging” the Waterpark proposal, I don’t think I would use that word. Bullying and bad manners aside, Kerins was following the rules that were given to him by an elite system that had never been challenged in the past. In this case, they were caught off guard, as the citizen reaction is being viewed, rightly, as a political wild card. I think it would be extremely helpful to everyone in if some sort of political and technical solution could surface that would perhaps give Kerins an opportunity to salvage part of his investment and relocate the proposed Waterpark somewhere else.

    There I go, being mushy again.

  119. Rumplestilskin

    Inkwell says ”The other and greater obstacle in his way in my view is persuading the electorate to put the future of Barbados back into the same hands that were instrumental in frigging it up so successfully in the ‘91 to ‘94 period”

    Again the propagation of an inaccuracy. As said before, the major difference between Barbados now and then was the world recession that Sandi had to navigate.

    Do you really think that if there was such a recession now that the BLP would do better?

    As it is, our futures are being mortgaged to the hilt in a world environment that should assist beneficial economic management.

    That shows to me who really has managed the economy in a more prudent manner.

    Are you going to give a transport contract to a man who can get you from Christ Church to St.Lucy faster on sunny days using nuff nuff petrol, or to the man who can get you there whether sunny or rainy, probably slower but using less petrol, without the flash of the speedy minibus?

    I will say it again, Sandi’s prudence and hard economic line saved the day and laid the foundation for the spending spree that has made it appear like sound economic management.

    How can you assess as sound economic management an administration that has not completed a project in the last ten years, with every project going way overbudget?

    And do not blame it on inflation. Consideration of inflation is part of budgeting for public projects.

    Need I repeat it? Every major public project for the last ten years has resulted in screw-ups and excess expenditure.

    Yet, people question whether the DLP can manage the economy.

    ???

    One last thing. When the DLP win the election and are forced to institute some hard policies, do not blame Thompson.

    Blame the current spending spree on unnecessary projects at the expense of healthcare, education and the productive sector.

    Money spent has to come form somewhere.

  120. Rumplestilskin

    PS: And for those who think that not voting for the DLP will avert ‘hard and prudent thinking’ in preference for short-term ease,

    the Piper has to be paid, whether today tomorrow or next day.

    The Piper going come for he money, you overstand???

  121. Rumplestilskin

    PPS A quote, to not ”lose stock of yourself”

    ”A pimper’s paradise, that’s all she was now
    A pimper’s paradise, that’s all she was
    A pimper’s paradise, I’m sorry for the victim now
    A pimper’s paradise, soon their heads, soon their
    Soon their very heads will bow
    Pimper’s paradise, don’t lose track, don’t lose track
    Of yourself Oh No!
    Pimper’s paradise, don’t be just a stock, a stock
    On the shelf, stock on the shelf
    Pimper’s paradise, that’s all she was”

  122. Rumplestilskin

    Keep it real folks, keep it real.

  123. Najo

    You are on the ball Rumplestilskin, let wisdom preveal, to bring the DLP to power in the next General Elections is the only wise choice.

  124. Verdana

    MR. THOMPSON WHAT ABOUT THE WORD “REFORMS”.

    This Country needs a lot of reforms, justice system in primis, very antiquated.
    I never ever heard a single comment about this topic from the DLP so is obvious that this individual wants to run things in the same way of present gov.nt. So what is the change???

  125. Wishing in Vain

    See the newspaper today there is a comment re changes in size and style of gov’t

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