Ikael Tafari Smoking Something Again

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Our regular readers know that to a person, the BFP team stands directly opposed to “doctor” Ikael Tafari’s philosophy, world view and agenda. We believe that his stance on the legalisation of marijuana and so many other issues makes him an inappropriate person to hold a government position as a representative of Barbados.

That said, there is a certain humour to be found in studying how Tafari thinks. His worldview is so warped that it is actually entertaining to try and decipher how he connects the dots.

With his single minded agenda and a consciousness that is raised above that of mere mortals through the inhaling of burning THC, Ikael Tafari’s analytical skills can best be described by the phrase “1+1 = green lawn chair with talking mongoose”

Why Did The Windies Fall?

According to Tafari, it was those damn “neo-colonial” forces, of course! (That’s code for “whitey” conspiring to keep us poor black folk down)

Why did the West Indies once dominate international cricket?

According to Tafari, when the West Indies dominated cricket, it was BECAUSE of Black Power and radical socialism! When we fell, it was because England couldn’t stand to see a bunch of blacks winning!

That’s it, folks. For poor pot-smoking Tafari, we po’ black folk be always held down because of them damned whiteys.

No matter how Tafari carefully crafts his words, he is still a racist at heart whose philosophies continue to impose a mental ball and chain upon each new generation he encounters.

If a student lacks a slave’s attitude, Professor Tafari will do his best to personally install those mental chains of racism. It is self-defeating madness to allow him access to our youth. It is self-defeating madness to continue to publicly fund his racist rantings and to give him the credibility of a position with the Government of Barbados.

This is our government representative to the world – the Director of the Commission for Pan African Affairs…

from The Nation News…

Then, in the most assertive period of our history in modern times, the 1970s and 1980s – fuelled by the Black Power movement and radical socialism – gave birth to the Lloyd and Richards teams that propelled us unquestionably to the top.

However, with the defeat of the radical movements of that period and the resulting counterforce of the resurgent neo-colonial powers in the 1990s, we began a long political descent as the gains of earlier eras were one by one reversed. Insularity in the regional team again raised its ugly head. And England and Australia – alarmed at the dominance of a cerebral game like cricket by an invincible black team – feverishly pumped superior material resources into the game, building cricket academies and borrowing our own master-strategies of the 1980s.

… Ikael Tafari in The Nation News African Crossroads: A Warrior’s Last Dance

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113 responses to “Ikael Tafari Smoking Something Again

  1. Straight talk

    Oh Lord help us if these PEP and PDC loonies are the only credible alternatives to our present system.

  2. Anonymous

    Welcome to the wacky 21st.Century, Straight talk!

  3. Anonymous

    dont blame his twisted thinking on pot he’s a victim of the social sciences krap that goes on at uwi with the neohistorians busy rewriting it from a black pov

  4. Straight talk

    I tried to get my head round Hutchinson’s ramblings, but failed miserably.
    So, seeking insight, I took two long draws on his
    recommended consciousness enhancer, and then all was revealed.
    A devious scam perpetrated by the unemployable on the gullible.

    To unravel the mystery I decoded Ikael Tafari’s assumed name anagrammatically, the result :-
    “Is alike a fart” and musing on the relevance of this choice of nom de plume, I came up with
    1 Noisy
    2 Anti-social
    3 Atmosphere polluting

    I may be wrong, and if so are there any other suggestions out there?

  5. yatinkiteasy

    Tafari was a normal white(or nearly white) boy…Hutchinson was his surname …then his parents sent him to study in Jamaica..there he started to smoke a lot of their strong stuff, the rest is History. I cant believe our tax dollars( a million or so per year) goes for this nut to spend on his pet projects..Interesting what happens when he comes out against king arthur on some issue…he will be dumped the same as Comissisong.Meanwhile people at QEH suffer for lack of working equipment and supplies.
    What a shame!

  6. james

    The problem with this idiot is that he discredits debate on some of the genuine social issues in Barbados. Blaming everyone else Mugabe-like (a man he probably admires) is a fabulous way of avoiding responsibility for your own actions. I agree with the comments above, don’t take task with the guy for being stoned, take him to task for being a racist muppet. As if we didn’t have enough to worry about…

  7. John

    I tried reading it too. All I could do was shake my head.

    …. I have never heard or seen the new one about throwing old slaves into gullies.

    Maybe Ras Ikael picked it up on one of his trips!!

    He should quote his reference, being a Dr. and all.

  8. james

    and don’t get me started on the fact that he credits cricket success in the past on black power and radical socialism. it’s a bit like saying that the English cricket team is beaten by almost everyone now because of Tony Blair. It’s not: it’s because they’re crap.

  9. Chase

    “If I was educated …..I would be a damn fool”……Robert Nesta Marley.

  10. cat eyes

    Why focus solely on Tafari when the government has Trevor Prescod in his cabinet? Prescod lambsasted the DLP for choosing a “Syrian” , meaning Taan Abed as a candidate and he also insulted Dr. Esther Byer-Suckhoo by referring to her surnames and her East Indian heritage (her dad is Black Barbadian, mum is East Indian Trini.) If you check Hansard you will read his ramblings on the whites, Indians, Syrians. His mouthings are offensive. No-where have I read condemnation of their behaviour before today. But they must be saying something the PM likes because he fired Commalong for Tafari and fired Hammie La for Prescod.

  11. Brabsoda

    Ikael, in trying to explain the failure of the West Indies team, is doing it the only way he knows how to and that is to blame the white man for everything. He has been programmed to think this way. Unfortunately, he is playing into the hands of the top cricketing countries because this type of assessment will get us nowhere.
    Until we realy get to the core problems of the WI team and solve them, we will continue wallow at the bottom of the ratings, which is 8th position for ODI’s.

  12. True Native

    Cat Eyes: As far as the so-called Press/Media in Barbados is concerned, the BLP can insult white people as much as they like and get away with it (Liz Thompson, Noel Lynch, Trevor Prescod), but if a Dem just happens to mention the “W” word, all hell breaks loose. If Owen Arthur had been a Dem, instead of a Bee, all kinds of insults would have been hurled at him. Up to now, he can’t speak without that insipid smirk on his face, which, according to a body language expert, shows that he is and never has been confident in the position he found himself in. Come to think of it, he can’t speak properly. Period.

  13. Embers.

    How schizophrenic he must be. Born white or certainly white-enough!, he now thinks like not just a black, but a downtrodden black.
    30 yrs. ago, his recruiters did their work WELL, thoroughly transforming his mind.
    Instead of getting on with the job of 21st.Century nation-building(we could use some of that)
    he fans the emotional embers of 18th.Century slavery, hoping to burst it into the flames of glorious Black Revolution(which worked soooo well in Trinidad around 1970).
    Get a life, young Hutchinson: ain’t gonna happen,dude!

  14. True Native

    Sorry, the line above should have read, “is NOT and never has been confident in the position …”

  15. samizdat

    I agree with cat eyes.

    Trevor Prescod is a really nasty piece of work, virulently anti-white. And we all know about Liz “Caucasian pig-farmer” Thompson. I’ve met them both, and you can virtually smell their hostility to white people.

    Ikael’s another matter. I’ve known him and his family for years. I’ve never got a bad vibe from him on the personal level. His public anti-colonialist/anti-white mouthings as a born-again pan-africanist are strangely at odds with his very gentle and easy-going personality as a man.

    That said, I don’t think any of us need worry about his having undue influence on the youth. When he lectured at UWI, he was generally well-liked by students, but at the same time hardly ever taken seriously. In fact, he was regarded by all of us as a kind of clown…

  16. Justice

    Bfp,

    I am still laughing with tears in my eyes from your assessment of Ikael’s thinking…green lawn chair with talking mongoose indeed. He does write some nonsense at times, doesn’t he? What a pity!

  17. why do these people always ignore the fact that the west indies team has always been mixed. it aint name the black caribbean team its the west indies and as such we’ve had many indians, some whites and even a ‘chinaman’ represent the region.

  18. No - Name

    I agree with much of the above, Ikael Tafari is a plain and simple MAD MAN! …and Owen and Mia, Commalong’s cousin, was just as mentally insane and assinine to have employed a white man who believes or pretends to be black.

    As long as he is in the frame of mind we will get nowhere. What is it the Ikael has achieved. Has he been able to bridge the gap between the whites and blacks of this island? Instead both white and black persons think the man is crazy. He certainly is no role model and in no way in a position to seriously influence the local population in relation to race relations and the relationship with Africa.

    I wonder how he introduces himself at the conferences…..Hi, my name is Tafari, I am a true black brother….though phenotipically I am white, geneticaly I am black and I have the biggest black heart one can ever have …

    I really think the pot got to him when he was a student in Jamaica.

    It affects people in different ways…..it made Ikael think he black and makes a female politian BITE private parts dangerously.

  19. Ikael is not far of in his commentary. While i don’t know that black power and socialism where the causes that led to Viv Richards and others demonstrating mental toughness, and a refusal to give in to the dictates of superiority/inferiority complexes, the fact is that they was some militancy, in these former cricketers approach. It was during their reign that we witness rule changes, that any reasonable person would find difficult to dismiss that these changes may have been intended to confine the West Indies. It is clear to me that the one thing that is abundant in this present crop of W.I players is fear, and intimidation, two things that can paralyze the most talented, most skilled person into a state of near inactivity. The willingness to fine young players like Tino Best for petty infractions like exhibiting to much exuberance tells me that the ICC having changed their name from Imperial to International can still be proven to demonstrate little tolerance for the winiest attitudes of W.I. cricketers past. It is almost as if they had said never again will we allow this to happen, and rather than adapt to these changes and restrictions to continue winning we have become emotional, speak of unfairness, and hold out for sympathy that will never come. I played my cricket angry. I never spoke to the opposing team on the field of play. Always polite to the Umpire. Even when given a bad decision, I never fretted, I would just add the umpire to the opposing team, and did so again if one of my fielders does an injustice and drops a catch. By this i mean that if i could not trust the umpire to be fair then i did not bowl for LBW decisions, if my wicket keeper or slip fielders were having a bad day and seem unreliable in hold that catch, then i didn’t bowl my away swingers. Sometimes i could only trust myself to deliver that wicket. It is a mind game that we will continue to lose if we continue from the “head of our country to the lowliest of workers :D” to give way to every polish looking Jack with a cool accent and that by his/her use of words,spelling and grammar continues to befuddle and befools us that they have something that we don’t. We can beat them again if only we can shut them out of our minds and play our cricket angry, Viv Richards style. 😀

  20. epiphany

    I’ve not lived in Bim for a while, but when I was growing up there people of Tafari’s complexion were called “red” – have I missed something? How come it’s now considered white?

  21. Anonymous

    pott might give yuh the munchies, but yuh doan bite de nunu. tired tell wunnuh, daah gyurl doan smoke de herb. she nuzes de other thing that makes you belligerent and dominant (sound familiar? huh?) you’re mixing up your ddruggz again but then thats what the dea wants you to do

  22. Lady Anon

    epiphany…because he is white.

  23. True Native

    epiphany: The “red” thing is still very much alive. Some of the nasty minded BLP people call David Thompson “the red boy”. It doesn’t happen in the other islands – only in Barbados.

  24. Why wunnuh don’t leave Ikael alone? Duh got black people trying tuh be white down to the bleaching of their sking, straightening their hair, and or wearing wigs. Wuh wrong wid Ikael living the lifestyle he has choosen? This is not be seen as an argument for dope smoking. 😀

  25. John

    Adrian

    You are right, ….. and I love the disclaimer at the end!!

  26. samizdat

    Commisiong and Mia Mottley are cousins?

    Well, well, well. I never knew that.

    Listen, can someone who knows please post a list of all the Mottley family members in positions of power and influence in Bim?

    Arturo Tappin and Adisa Andwele are Mia’s cousins too, right?

    Maybe Ikael too? I know for a fact he married his first cousin…*ahem*

    In fact, how about a list of ALL powerful family connections? Would make fascinating reading, for sure.

    Nepotism rules, people…

  27. ??

    look closely and you will find family connections in all sectors of the community but hopefully no connection between Jerome Hinds and ?? , who knows.

  28. samizdat

    ??

    *laughing*

    Who knows indeed? Maybe you’re my cousin….

  29. Underdog

    yatinkiteasy
    April 24th, 2007 at 11:28 am
    “… he started to smoke a lot of their strong stuff, the rest is History. I cant believe our tax dollars( a million or so per year) goes for this nut to spend on his pet projects…Meanwhile people at QEH suffer for lack of working equipment and supplies.
    What a shame!”

    …That was just so well said that it needed to be said again. Makes me feel helpless, though that this is the way things just are.

  30. ok, i’ll buck the trend

    I am not entirely familiar with Dr. Tafari’s broader worldview, but I have occasionally read his African Crossroads column and found that (like ALL columns and columnists) I have some points of agreement and disagreement. But, certainly I wouldn’t dismiss his arguments about EVERYTHING purely on the grounds that he is in favour of legalising marijuana.

    In fact, I think he makes reference to 2 important factors that need to be considered when analysing the decline of West Indian: (1) “the emasculated social background” and (2) the failure to make the transition to “scientifically-programmed professionalism”.

    Although I am of the opinion that he places to great an emphasis on the (seemingly) negative attitudes of the former colonial powers, nonetheless I think he raises some issues that are worth further discussion by the powers-that-be in WI cricket. Please don’t dismiss the entire article on (apparently) solely personal reasons.

  31. rastaman

    bfp doesnt like ikael and so anything he writes is attacked. forget the man and his preference for marijuana an actually read the article. he makes a number of very valid points in it. and i guess u r not cricket fans because if u were, u would know that black nationalism was very prominent factor at play in the west indies team of the 70s and 80s. read viv’s or holding’s autobiographies. ask any of those former players their thoughts about tony greig and his statement about “grovelling” and the way that propelled them into crushing england. ask those who didnt go to south africa for rebel touors their thoughts.
    bfp and its followers need to stop being so petty. u dont like ikael and so u blanketly condemn whatever he says. i for one dont agree with much he writes in his monday column but i read it with an open mind and if he makes a good point i will say so. your personal attacks on him is a reflection of the sort of people u r. u need some maturity if u really want to claim to be a viable alternative to the poor media in barbados and if u want to have any sort of credibility.

  32. John

    rastaman

    How does black nationalism explain the dominance of West Indies over India in our heyday?

    … and what about Pakistan? Pakistan is probably the only team in the world that we played when we were dominant that consistently gave us a run for our money.

    I think that our past players played first for love of the game and thus became at one with the game. That oneness allowed our players to do things that were out of the ordinary.

    I do think that the issue of colour entered the game when we became dominant. I think if anything, it caused us to fall from prominence because we forgot what love for the game was, and oneness with it. We thought it was because we were black that we were so much better.

    Cricket does not work that way, it is magic.

    We still need to rediscover that love, when we do, we will once more excel. It is because our current players do not play for love that their performances stand out so starkly against those of the past generation.

    We are trying to play Australia and New Zealand and South Africa at their game, which we cannot.

    We need to make them match ours, which they cannot.

    The day our current crop twigs will see things change.

    …. and that is why Pakistan could match us in our heyday. They had players who loved the game as well, and became one with the game.

    The games between Pakistan and WI were thus epics.

    Remember Star Wars ….. “Luke, let go. Let the force!!”

    We once could let go, and had the force, but we have become confused and we are merely poor imitations of what we once were.

    So I really can’t find much in what Ras Ikael says with which I agree, and besides, I think he is factually incorrect as my first comment says!!

  33. Hants

    Dr. Tafari’s is smart enough to get a job based on an image he created for himself by adopting the religion of another race.

    The dreadlocks and beard gives him the physical image to pull off this transformation to African culture.

    If he does something positive for the Humanity its all good.

  34. John

    It looks like SL will get to the final.

    If they do, they will meet Australia or South Africa.

    SL has what we once had, but threw away.

    If SL is in this final, what you will be watching, using Star Wars imagery, is a battle between Darth Vader and the Force.

    It boils down to whether the Force will be with SL and they play their own game, or whether the Empire will overcome the Force!!

    May the Force be with SL!!

  35. John

    … In many ways, Cricket is like Star Wars.

    The Empire always strikes back, and reigns supreme, ….. until the Return of the Jedi!!

  36. rastaman

    i never said black nationalism is an explanation of our dominance but it played a part in our attitudes towards thrashing england and australia. my point is that people on this blog are very intolerant. if you dont agree with them you are accused of being a blp mole planted here. ikael spouts lots of rheoric but his article was varied and was about much more than what bfp selectively highlighted. bfp accuses the media or being partisan but many of its posts are also partisan to a certain right wing world view.

  37. Yardbroom

    I believe that West Indies cricketers have missed the experience of playing County cricket and League cricket in England. During our dominant years most of our players had the experience of playing overseas at the highest level, that is no longer the case, the variety of wickets and playing conditions enabled our players to prosper.

  38. J. Payne

    So— the CEO of the American Express Credit card is being held down by ‘whitey’ too???

    Shucks last I heard AMEX was the “Rich People’s Credit Card.”

    Barbados can’t afford to have him in Government as right. The government was trying real hard to get Barbados back as a Category I airport (as viewed by the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration – FAA) Small hint. Legalising the ‘stuff’ anywhere in Barbados is not the way to get the rating raised.

  39. J. Payne

    P.S. this is the Chairman and CEO of the American Express Credit Card.

    Kenneth I. Chenault — http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2002/black.history/stories/08.chenault/index.html

  40. Get In The Action

    What sheer rot! The couple million wasted on Pan African affairs could have paid for a new piece of equipment at QEH, or held a few more qualified teachers or nurses who left for greener pastures. Instead we have this left wing poppet spewing drivel.

  41. Get In The Action

    He and that other lunatic Julian Hunte should start a herb Kibutz in Foster’s Fun Land and take a bunch of the other crazies with them.

  42. True Native

    Glad somebody else realises that Julian Hunte is a lunatic!

  43. Rumplestilskin

    Cat eyes says ”No-where have I read condemnation of their behaviour before today. ”

    Agreed. If such were to happen in USA or England i.e. a political leader there used racial abuse such as this, can you imagine the reaction, particularly here?

  44. Chase

    BFP is just like any other blog on the internet.It was created by humans with their own agenda.
    Many times they have posted inaccurate stories and when egg lands on their face,they create spin to sidetrack you from the real issues,chances are I will be banned or put to always moderate…but who cares?
    When I first started reading BFP I was impressed but this was short lived.If BFP dont agree with you for one reason or the other then you are forever castigated in their eyes.
    If you are a muslin,back Israel,smoke weed,BLP or anything that dont fit their profile ….well you know what the end will be for you.
    For a group that preaches free speech,it is hard to see it on this blog..if you ruffle their feathers you will hear….start your own blog on wordpress in 30 minutes.What a shame!!
    Just because BFP does not like a particular person means that anything they say is totally wrong as in the case of Tafari.
    The thing is that a lot of their followers are so consumed by hate that they gobble up BFP’s fodder and this is what they want.
    If I am banned,then so be it but this site has become no better that pudding & souse.
    For a good read and more mature reading….I recommend we look at Bajan Reporter….now that is a blog worth reading.

  45. Rumplestilskin

    By the way, I hope that they understand the reputation that they are building (or have built) internationally, with the use of such language.

    Do they?

  46. Rumplestilskin

    Chase says”If I am banned,then so be it but this site has become no better that pudding & souse.”

    What got you started. I believe that is highly unfair and ridiculous.

    Issues here have been highlighted are significant in nature and to the core of what matters to Barbadians such as the hospital, GEMS reporting, national debt etc.

    Maybe you yourself do not like such criticism and therefore are guilty of what you now accuse BFP i.e. refusal to accept the views of others, just because you do not agree with those views?

  47. Rumplestilskin

    As a matter of fact, what is being discussed above (as part of the content of this particular thread), i.e. use of racial terms in a disparaging manner, by Cabinet members, is extremely serious.

    Such would not be accepted in any other ‘developed’ country…to which we apparently aspire.

    Thus, to compare with pudding & souse is ridiculous.

  48. Chase

    Rumplestilskin:

    Criticism is something I welcome but I think you missed my point as a lot of others will.I accept the views of others,that is how people like DFX and Patrick Porter will always have my respect.When I first started reading this blog,as Patrick would say…the fire was in my belly.
    All that I am trying to say is that you cant paint everyone with a broad brush just because you dont like them .Sometimes people make valid points even though they are on the other side of the fence.
    Issues that are highlighted here important yes I agree.What I dont agree with is …..the fact that if you are perceived as one who has no favor with BFP then all of you opinions or thoughts are automatically regarded as nonsense.
    You tell me if I am wrong in saying this.

  49. Chase

    I was being general in my posts about BFP.

  50. No - Name

    BFP,
    Talking about laundries….what is the latest on the long awaited/promised money laudering information???? When can we expect it?
    If it is not coming then level with us?Please don’t do a Barney Lynch on us! i.e promise and don’t deliver!!

  51. Rumplestilskin

    Chase:

    I disagree. I myself have previously made posts which one of the BFP moderators, cannot remember which, clearly stated his disagreement, but did not refuse to hear my point.

    I think one of the dangers in assessing the moderation of a blog and yes, their ‘agenda’ and taking their and others reaction to obvious ‘spammers’ and ‘party hacks’ to be their reaction to any criticism.

    I do not think that complete disregard to any dissenting opinions has been demonstrated, where such dissenting opinions were from other than obvious ‘party hacks’.

    And I mean ‘party hacks’ where such is clear for all to see.

    In the same way as dissenting opinions towards Government actions should not be taken to be taken and automatically assumed to be ‘party hacks’ of the other persuasion, we can have dissenting opinions of all kinds, without ‘labelling’.

    I have seen posts other than mine that have been disagreed with but respected.

    I fully understood your point, but again, one has to be careful in making your own point, as including comparison with trash like ‘pudding & souse’ makes your own post appear trivial and merely to raise dissent for the sake of it.

  52. DFX

    Chase!

    Why you don’t leave de pudding & souse to me? LOL I have to agree that sometimes the guys here are little less than tolerant of opposing views. But that I guess is why it’s their blog site. We also have to bear in mind that though that they are alot better than the stuff I used to line my sons hamster cage with (until I had to feed it and didn’t latch the door properly, but that is another story)

    Thanks for the compliment as well! I think this site has allowed us to make many like minded friends that we might not have otherwise made. Any news on Patrick? Hope all is going well for him.

    The wife has me booked on friday night. She got us invited to no less than Sandy Lane! I gonna be a big up whitey for a couple hours on Friday WISH ME LUCK! Might be back here begging for a loan to pay for my carbonated beverages (can’t ask for a coke in the big ups’ place lol)

    If I don’t get beat up by the wife for doing something stupid on Friday I have secured a temporary VISA for us to help Banks get rid of some of the beers they might have left over next weekend 😉

    Take care

    DFX

  53. John

    rastaman

    Suppose Ricky Ponting were to say that his intention was to make the West Indies grovel, as did Tony Greig.

    This lot of WI cricketers could do nothing about it, whether they were inspired by black nationalism or not.

    The mistake Greig made was he stirred up a natural human reaction, one which I believe ensures survival of the species. When attacked, band together, gain strength from one another and come out fighting.

    At the time he made the comments, we had been mauled by Australia 5-1, but, we had a team with individuals who were becoming more and more at one with their love, cricket. The result is now history.

    Michael Holding broke down and cried when Chappell was out, the umpire would not give him, and he would not walk. He went away, and came back stronger, as did other members of the team. They each knew they were playing with their all, and with passion so they kept going.

    The result was that in the 1980’s, the Australian captain broke down and cried off the field, infront of reporters. I remember it clearly. The Force was with the West Indies.

    It is almost inconceivable that we would watch an Australian captain break down in tears now, just as it is impossible to imagine the Michael Holding we watch on TV today crying over an umpire’s decision, but he did … and with justification.

    The Australians went away, did their grieving, addressed their problems and struck back.

    Ricky Ponting would never get caught saying what Tony Greig did although he might think it. First of all it is unsportsmanlike and not politically correct, second, it is plain dumb to give strength to your opponent.

    We have just lost the ability as humans to let the Force in. It is evident in the society we have become. We are just incapable of producing the people of character we once did when our society was strong, ordered and far simpler. We have forgotten the basics.

    … and that is why this lot of cricketers could not do anything about it if an opposing captain said it was his intention to make us grovel. It has less to do with skill or talent than we imagine. It is something inside, and it can’t be coached or trained easily.

    …. but it can be awakened!! , and inspite of what I say above, we do have the bits and pieces of greatness in the young men who are there and they will excel once again and make themselves and us happy.

    May the Force be with them.

    If they get it right, England may be in for trouble this summer!! But it is up to them to wake up and start looking for the Force.

  54. politically correct

    Julian Hunte is not a lunatic, just mentally challenged

  55. John

    pc

    …. he also knows more about Barbados and understands its people and how they think better than any body I know!!

    In some ways he is a genius.

  56. Rumplestilskin

    John, I have not yet seen the printed word, or indeed the opinion expressed that says it so RIGHT!

    Your last five paragraphs…..bingo.

    By the way, I agree with the rest too.

    In case people forget, our ‘decline’ in general began earlier, but Marshall almost single handedly prevented this. What a bowler, what a player.

    That is your passion right there. Amby and Walsh early on also carried on where Marshall left off, but then things just went too far.

    I think both Powell and Taylor have in them what it takes.

    Now with the right management and captain, we can get there again.
    I do not think it needs to take the five or ten years mentioned by Lara.

    It can begin tomorrow, as you say..that spark.

    Fire.

  57. True Native

    John: Perhaps you think a genius is someone who robs people out of their hard-earned money by way of N.I. payments and when he goes out of business the staff are told that their contributions were not paid into National Insurance. Perhaps also you don’t listen to his pathetic ramblings on the call-in programmes. I was visiting a friend one day who was listening to Brass Tacks and when J.H. came on, he immediately turned off. “There goes that madman again,” he said. Are we all wrong, then?

  58. John

    …. no, we just have different perceptions!!

  59. True Native

    Yeah, right!!

  60. John

    A madman once watched a man outside the psychiatric hospital try to repair a flat tyre.

    The man put the four nuts in the hub cap and by mistake kicked it over and the four nuts rolled into a drain.

    While he was racking his brain deciding what to do, the madman from behind the grey gate, suggested to the man that he take one nut from each of the other wheels and use the three to secure the tyre he was changing. That way he could get on about his business and replace the nuts when he had the chance.

    The man was very appreciative and remarked to the madman that he could not be mad.

    The madman responded, Yes I am mad, just not stupid!!

    It is a matter of perception!!

  61. Peltdown Man

    For once, I agree with Yardbroom. It’s not just passion for the game, but experience, that counts. All the greats from the 80’s played county or league cricket. Playing day in, day out imposes discipline, requires fitness (sadly lacking in today’s team), and it allows you to get a good look at your international opponents on a regular basis. I suggest that anybody would have reacted to Towny Grigg’s statement the same way. That he has a South African accent didn’t help, either.

  62. John

    Peltdown Man

    What we don’t really put into the equation is that by the time a West Indian made the team, he had been playing the game since childhood, day in day out.

    In terms of # of hours spent at “practice”, he had more than an edge on his opponent from Australia or the UK. He was generally fitter, keener and did not understand the concept of impossible.

    County Cricket smoothed him and made him more rounded. It taught him about percentage cricket. Sometimes I think this was of tremendous benefit to our players, other times I think that County Cricket benefitted from the injection of the raw talent which didn’t understand that such and such a shot could not be played to such and such a ball.

    Today, our players have clocked up relatively few hours compared to our players of yesterday. They are generally not as fit, have been conditioned not to question, and are more indisciplined than the past.

    ….. but, their opponents have made enormous strides from where they were, and they have done this by making the game pay money, for practice, discipline and fitness, a concept which works in large countries.

    Should (or is it can) we ape the large countries?

    Maybe a fraction of the money spent on the stadia in one go should have been spent on trying to catch up.

    But then we wouldn’t have the mess that we have which has made us stop and think!!

  63. Chase

    DFX:

    Just make sure that if you beat up your wife on Friday…let the gaurd know how to deal with the law when they come.

    Hope Patrick is getting better and doing well…said he will be here for Xmas.Hold on to that Visa tightly….we’ll hook up sometime over the weekend and put down a few beers (actually I prefer Heineken…had a bad experience with Banks or brooklax).Keep me posted on your status ok.

  64. John

    Peltdown Man, Yardbroom

    You all got me thinking and I find it difficult now to think of West Indian Cricketers who came out of County Cricket into the West Indies Side.

    Holding was sent to Australia Christmas time 1974. Experts cursed the selectors left right and centre, the boy is too young, he should not be going, and yet, he earned his keep.

    He came back to the West Indies to face the Indians. He roasted them at Sabina Park, so much so that the Indian Captain declared his innings to protect his bowlers.

    He then went to England in Summer. England brought back Brian Close, tried David Steele and generally wilted under Holding, Roberts and Daniel.

    I don’t know when Holding played County Cricket, but he was an established world class fast bowler by the time he did. His name was made by the time he got into County Cricket.

    Likewise I remember Ambrose just appeared on the scene one season out of the blue, not from County Cricket.

    So I am not so sure just how much West Indian Cricket benefitted from County Cricket. I would agree that it gave our players another option to earn money from their skills, and of course to improve them, but West Indies Cricket was great because it was great.

    Why on earth would an English County side of today hire a mediocre West Indian when they can hire a great Australian, or South African, or Indian, or Pakistani etc.?

  65. Collymore Rock 'Em

    From the WICB webiste at:

    http://www.windiescricket.com/Article.asp?ID=463231

    After saying that the team for England would be announced today, we now hear:

    “…Unfortunately, it was impossible to get the entire Board together to discuss and decide on the Captain for the Tour as required by the WICB’s Constitution.

    A full Board meeting is scheduled for Sunday, April 29, 2007 in Barbados. At that time the matter will be addressed.”

    What reason to look further for what ails our cricket? The incompetence of the WICB, from checking birth certificates, to failing to appoint a fitness coach, to now having to override their own press release, has been demonstrated again and again for the past dozen years.

    Dey say bad referee mek men play bad. Wha bout incompetent boss?

    Maybe Clive Lloyd can help us again?

  66. Yardbroom

    My comment was not intended to suggest that County and League cricket in England made West Indian players, because the players would have to have been players of some worth “before” they would be employed by a County, although lesser players did play in the Yorkshire and Lancashire Leagues.

    What County and League cricket did, was to allow West Indian players experience on wickets with grass, which are more conducive to swing bowling. The atmospheric conditions are also different, this coupled with the wickets means players cannot just play through the line of the ball, as allowance has to be made for deviation off the wicket.

    They also got the opportunity to know the opposition, as top players from other countries played County cricket in England. Their game became sharper as professionalism was the norm, those elements of their game, harnessed with natural talent was the mix that propelled West Indian cricket to greatness.

  67. jodiperry

    Let me say if the popular sentiments expressed on this blog regarding Ikael’s article are representative of the mindset of average Barbadians, well I think you guys should take a pass at heading up any serious undertaking by Caricom, CSME or CCJ. With the exception of Adrian, Chase etc the other posts are come off as rantings of a personal nature and does no justice to the article in question. Attitude in any discipline takes you much further than aptitude and cricket is no different. And the last of the WI captains to have that killer instinct was Viv Richards. And yes it was fueled by black radicalism or whatever you want to call that sense of fearlessness and overconfidence that characterized the team at that time. Richie Richardson although a talented batsman and captain did not have it however he never showed any sign of being intimidated. Lara and most of the team on the other hand are plain scared and intimidated and this is evident in his pre and post game statements which are dotted with the word ‘hope’. Hoping and wishing are not courses of actions, (lara thinks they are) they are deafeatist attitudes which gives ure opponents a mental edge. A little black militantism would go a long way in overcoming this mental handicap seen in our players today.

    FYI Marijuana is legal in Holland, Spain and in the plant form in Switzerland and I dont see their communities falling apart or kids in droves stoned out of their heads. MJ legalisation or decriminalisation is a legitimate question which needs to be addressed in the cbean like the 100s of other laws that we ‘inherited’ from our ‘masters’ which are outdated and not in our common interests.

  68. Rumplestilskin

    Jodiperry:

    I agree, one must first know the facts before espousing on a topic.

    In terms of attitude being of significance I agree, but that has nothing to do with ‘black militancy’.

    It has to do with not being out drinking at 2:00am before a match.

    In terms of your own post, you are incorrect, actually Holland IS having major problems resulting from the free availability of marijuana.

  69. Rumplestilskin

    Further, your description of ‘rantings of a personal nature’ correctly describes your own obvious preference for marijuana legalisation as the facts (example of other countries given by yourself) do not support such a position.

    People in glass houses and all that….

  70. Yardbroom

    I have not made any comment on marijuana in terms of the rights or wrongs of legalisation, however for the record marijuana is only available in special coffee shops in Holland and they are not many, you can not go into any shop in Holland and buy marijuana.

    Marijuana has been known since about 2000bc and I do not know of any society which can attest to being better for its legalisation, or constant useage.

  71. Rumplestilskin

    As for the fearlessness of Viv Richards, perhaps it arose from what he had that those today do not, rather than ‘black militancy’.

    Possibly, just possibly it arose, as Yardbroom noted from being internationally trained in the ART of cricket, specifically in England, even before he became ‘great’.

    How many of today’s players, Lara included, can say that???

    One should be careful of making suppositions without consideration of the facts, all of the facts rather than a ‘romanticised’ notion which suits ones own personal preferences.

    Like a science experiment, it is easy to draw wrong conclusions.

  72. La De Da

    My “two cents” on why the WI cricket team is failing is quite simple– The West Indies is NOT a COUNTRY.– Want proof–go back 40 years and remember “One from ten leaves nothing”–Fast foward to the present– Trinidad and Tobago sponsors the weather news on BBC World Service on TV– their slogan ” T & T the true Caribbean”– what does that make the rest of us,–“the false Caribbean” —– CSME or whatever you bring is not going to change anything. Listen to Rawle Branker, make it a business, run it like a business, get rid of the people he reffered to as being on the WICB for 30 years and say nothing and move on.

  73. Jerome Hinds

    samizdat
    April 24th, 2007 at 4:19 pm
    Commisiong and Mia Mottley are cousins?

    Well, well, well. I never knew that.

    Listen, can someone who knows please post a list of all the Mottley family members in positions of power and influence in Bim?

    Arturo Tappin and Adisa Andwele are Mia’s cousins too, right?

    Maybe Ikael too? I know for a fact he married his first cousin…*ahem*

    In fact, how about a list of ALL powerful family connections? Would make fascinating reading, for sure.

    Nepotism rules, people…

    ************************************************

    Ian Estwick at the NCF is Mia’ s cousin .

  74. John

    Captain Short, Sir Clyde Walcott etc. are some of the men I identify with WICBC which”controlled” WI cricket when cricket was great. Were they incompetents? Why was WI cricket great under their watch?

    I think to make cricket a business in WI will be the end of WI cricket. I did not hear what Rawle Branker said so will not attempt to answer it. I will point out that since we have had CEO’s who are from the business community, remember the guy from Jamaica, Pat Rousseau, we have gone downhill. It may be mere coincidence.

    We simply cannot compete with the world on strictly business terms. We did well in cricket in the past because our society was capable of producing the men with the qualities to do well at cricket.

    No amount of training or coaching can do this if they have not got those qualities already from home. It cannot be bought because we do not have the resources like a big country to buy it.

    I think our decision is whether to shut shop in international cricket (heresy) or to really address the societal issues of our various countries.

    The great thing about honestly and diligently addressing societal issues in our countries is that we get an extra bang for every young person we manage to produce who becomes a committed contributor to the improvement of our countries. Some of these young people will once more do WI cricket proud.

    Lets try and use some common sense and eschew the spending of money for a change. Let us really try to make our countries better. Besides the turning around of our cricket, we may end up with countries in which it is fun to live once again and to be a part of their development. and once again, cricket will be the expression of our joy at being West Indian.

    Let us try to become human once again!!

    We have really screwed ourselves and our children up.

    … and as to whether WI is a country or not, of course it isn’t. That is why we cannot compete with the world in cricket based strictly on business.

  75. John

    Rumplestilskin

    You are right, Sir Viv and Andy Roberts did receive training at the Alf Gover cricket school before they entered WI cricket.

    Much is made of Sir Viv’s fearlessnes, and he was fearless, but so too was Sir Garfield. Yet they were totally different men.

    I believe that Sir Viv became arrogant over time because he was blessed with skills ordinary mortals do not have and took them for granted.

    I think that it is that arrogance which robbed WI cricket of its dependence on skill and I believe in someways Sir Viv actually contributed to its fall.

    For not only did that arrogance transmit itself to West Indian society who thought supremacy was its right and did not worry to nurture the skill, it also gave strength to opponents to rise up and overcome that arrogance …….. and they did!! …. as we once did when faced with Tony Greig and his comments. Perfectly human!!

    I think we lost the Force we had through our arrogance when we were on top!!

    We really need to get back to basics if we want our cricket to do well again.

    Sadly, it may however be too late. …. but life goes on!

  76. samizdat

    Estwick? That big buffoon?

    Why am I not surprised….

  77. jodiperry

    Rumpel:

    I grew up 4 streets from Viv Richards and his family on Drake Street (now Viv Richards Street)in Ovals and played numerous 1 tip games in Ovals park with him and his brother Mervin so I was not guessing or hypothecating here about black militancy or confidence. Lara would

    2nd . I do not support the legalisation of MJ in the Caribbean, personally I dont think we are developed enough as a society and do not have the law enforcement mechanisms like Holland and Spain to do so.

    My point was that we inherited laws from Britain which were passed to suit Britains interests and culture, that needs to be revisited now we are independent. My problem with MJ in the caribbean is the amount of law enforcement resources we waste on the guy smoking the wrong cigarette while the real gun toting crimnals operate with impunity due to the fact that the police enjoy going after soft targets while major crimes go unsolved. In the cbean we cannot afford the ‘war on drugs’ like Britain and the US we just dont have the manpower or financial resources.
    In Holland (and yes there are as many coffee shops as Sex display windows) MJ is viewed as a health problem like Alchohol and both the supply and demand are controlled and monitored closely by law enforcement.
    Holland doesnt have a problem with MJ as far as i know, with prostitution yes and a couple of ‘windows’ were closed last year due to a problem with money laundering or tax evasion. I live in paris and before in switzerland and have visited holland and spain numerous times and their communities are none the worse off for mj being legal.

  78. Get In The Action

    John

    I agree with you that the decline in work ethic and change in attitude started with Sir Viv as Captain. The arrogance he displayed seems to have permeated to the teams today. He had the skills, the crop we have now don’t and we are left with only the poor work ethic. We have a bunch of “super stars” who are too good in their own minds to put in the effort and disciplin that’s needed to be the best again. Just read the comments coming out about lacklustre training sessions, rebellion against the fitness coach who resigned, late night partying led by Lara, Lara turning up to practice when he wants, and one and on. Bennet King had no control over this team, they did as they wished.

    I disagree with the comment that our cricket should not be run like a business. The time has come to put an end to the poor decision making from a poor management structure of cricket administrators.

  79. Get In The Action

    So many bad decisions over these years and they continue – the latest being the impass with WIPA. Tell me, if this was run like a business with one decision maker at the top would it take almost a week to make a decision on the captain for the next series. As it stands now the team is leaving in 12 days and because the Board cannot convene until Sunday, the Captain will not be chosen, and by extension the team for the tour ratified. There is no time for a training camp, no time for the team to gel – we’re heading straight into another whitewash and it goes on and on and the fans become more disillusioned. The Caricom Governments have spent a bomb in infrastructure and have a vested interest in this sport. Disband the WICB, and install a WI Management Team as a Caricom body. Bring some professional management to this mess rather than the continued nonsense that we endure.

  80. Rumplestilskin

    Two things John just said struck important points:

    ”No amount of training or coaching can do this if they have not got those qualities already from home”

    and

    ”We really need to get back to basics if we want our cricket to do well again. ”

    The first is important as we need guys of character who can meet difficult challenges on and off the field. In the past, character was built by our youngsters being raised in a family oriented environment, in a community environment. Training in behaviour and influences came early and in a wholesome way. This has changed.

    The second is important because that is exactly what Australia do…the basics perfectly. Nothing fancy, just stick to the basics and become expert at the ‘structured game’.

    And they dominate doing just that. Its not rocket science.

  81. Rumplestilskin

    By the way, both of the above points are supportted by Dr. Rudi Webters article in yesterdays Nation, mentioning that the youngsters come to the cricket academy with less than required technical skills, fitness, attitude and mental strength (paraphrasing re the four foundation requirements).

    Character, skills, fitness. Basics which we have lost.

  82. Rumplestilskin

    Finally, I am hopeful that with an improved selection policy and player policy/ training and discipline program we can improve rapidly.

    When things are bad its easy to improve specific areas and this may be reflected in results sooner than many think.

    But it starts with the right SELECTION of players with character and skills.

    We have a few of those around. We do. But the selectors need to do their job and sift these out.

  83. Get In The Action

    Rumplestilskin

    Do you think that our cricket academy has failed? It’s been a few years now and no word of successes. I also understand that they are launching an academy at the new Lara Stadium in Trinidad. As usual are we each going to do our own thing? Is a Kensington Academy next? Our cricket needs strong central management.

  84. Rumplestilskin

    The question must be whether the cricketing talent is ‘coming through’ from the Academy.

    Unfortunately, due to continuing results the raw data would indicate the answer to be no.

    However, are we really in a position to judge the success or lack thereof when we assert that the ‘raw talent’ itself has some ‘issues’ such as individual character to deal with?

    An academy certainly has the potential to train technical skills and fitness levels. However, individual responsibility for performance and an individual’s commitment must exist to be able to accept training. From what we are hearing such is not the case.

    In terms of my reference to Viv, being trained by the ‘best’ at the time, while having personal committment we may assert was one foundation for his success, if we may humbly do so.

    However, in going overseas he also had the experience of living independently, dealing with other cultures and interacting internationally.

    In doing so he would not just have seen ‘the local boys’ but the international requirements and committment required for success. Anyone who studies internationally sees such committment and becomes aware of the level of dedication required to succeed.

    I guess in summary, all of the personal, environmental and training requirments came together to make those 70’s guys successes.

    Michael Holding for example was an athlete, thus must have already been committed to very high level training and mental strength (apart from giving us that wonderful action).

    All of those guys probably also came from backgrounds, both family and community which supported hard work and success.

    Work and cricket were ‘life’.

    Assertions above are obviously my own viewpoint, I do not know those great gentlemen but in my opinion the evidence is there to support such as above.

    I think that to go forward selection policy is critical in getting the right guys in place. Guys who have character, can think and react appropriately under pressure and are consummately dedicated.

    Without that there can be no success.

  85. Rumplestilskin

    As for the Academy, I agree that one central academy would be my preference.

    Even with this, we should consider sending small groups overseas for periodic training say to Australia or England in groups of three or four for a month or two at a time, under supervision and with strong disciplinary policies.

    This will assist in aiding international development for those chosen. Another option is to work out some ‘player exchange’ programs with clubs in UK, Australia, South Africa, India etc for periods of a few months at a time.

    This will go some little way towards bringing back the international experience lost by the reduction in county cricket vacancies.

  86. David

    I think we of the West Indies would have to be smoking something if we allowed the Board to be located in a place like BVI, a place that has absolutely no connection to cricket, where there is no obligation to report true accounts, and no law to force it. QED.

    Oh, I forgot- it already has been done.

  87. Yardbroom

    Jodiperry
    You stated ” 2nd I do not support the legalisation of MJ in the Caribbean, personally I don’t think we are developed enough as a society and do not have the law enforcement mechanisms like Holland and Spain to do so.”

    Since we are on the same page as regards legalisation, I will expand just a little.

    You have nailed the problem in the above, I believe the legalisation of marijuana in the Caribbean would fail for another reason that being we do not have the resources for the health and welfare support mechanisms which would be needed.

    Regardless of if we like to admit it or not there is a culture that surrounds marijuana useage, this is not to suggest everyone who smokes marijuana is antisocial because that is clearly not the case. Marijuana’s legalisation is too important an issue for experiment, particularly in the West Indies where we have limited resources for the problems which would naturally ensue.

    ” In Holland ( and yes there are as many coffee shops as Sex display windows”)

    The sex display windows are generally in Red Light districts and they are surely not common place in the streets of Holland. It is some time since I last visited Holland, however I am going there next month, perhaps I will check things out, on second thoughts I will keep away from Kanal Stratt my wife would not find that funny. I will stick to our original plans, visit Anne Frank’s house and contemplate the beauty of Rembrandt’s masterpieces.

  88. John

    Yardbroom

    Enjoy yourself!!

  89. True Native

    One minute we hear we’re all Dems on this blog; next minute we hear we’re white! Oh, what a mixed bag we are! We like it so.

  90. Yardbroom

    John
    Thanks, we will.

  91. John

    Rumplestilskin

    “Michael Holding for example was an athlete, thus must have already been committed to very high level training and mental strength (apart from giving us that wonderful action).”

    This is another aspect of West Indian society that has always intrigued and baffled me.

    As a region, we still produce athletes who can compete with the best in the world, and beat them. By world I mean the real world, not the small cricket playing world. Many train in the US.

    Perhaps we are not as badly off as things appear.

    Are the financial rewards in amateur athletics so much more than in cricket?

    I remember Michael Holding and Seymour Newman opening the bowling for Jamaica, before Holding became a test cricketer. Both were athletes, and both were good fast bowlers. Holding chose cricket, Newman athletics.

    Perhaps we should look to invest in the development of athletics and encourage the cross over to cricket. That way we get returns possibly from two sources on our investment.

    Can our new multi million dollar stadia host athletics meetings?

    We also need to address the level of fitness in our societies which really needs addressing, not that I am the fittest!!

    The personal qualities will take time!!

  92. jodiperry

    John, Get in the action: you guys are incredible.. the only WI captain who has never lost a test series is responsible for WI downfall and Courtney Brown (and his selectors) who has a gift of dropping crucial opposition batsmen like Inzi and the Waugh brothers on single digit figures gets a free pass.. mind you Ridley Jacobs was sitting in antigua fishing while all this was going on… even if we leave Viv out of the equation it’s unbelievable that you guys can suggest arrogant attitudes towards your opponent is contagious and somehow affects a side negatively….(*read Micheal Jordans bio for pointers here) WI downfall started under Richie Richarson’s captaincy when he had compete against not only the aussies and pakistan but inept cricketers on his own team and insular selectors who kept mooring them off on him (Courtney Brown) on him test after test ..go look at Browns record then look at Ridleys (both batting and wicket keeping) if you cant take my word for it…one is in the WI hall of fame in Antigua the other cant even make the local Cable & Wireless cricket side n Bdos. .. WI slide began when Brown dropped Waugh on 13 at Sabina park in JA in 95 and it has been all downhill from there ..nuff said

  93. Rumplestilskin

    John et al, one other tit-bit I have read, I suspect its true, but it throws a spanner in the works of the ‘go through the ranks’ type of choices for cricketers and places the emphasis on talent and personal committment.

    The tit-bit is that Curtly Ambrose only started playing cricket (I suspect this means competitively at 18.

    Now, I think it goes back to the above i.e. dedication. I also think that there are exceptions and most of us need the ‘foundation training’.

    However, why could Amby first bowl legitimately and then ACCURATELY and yet our current young bowlers who have been given the chance, with the exception of Taylor and Powell (who actually still yet need more work on line and length aka Mcgrath), not be able to bowl accurately but spray the ball wherever, whenever. In some cases not be able even to bowl ‘legitimately’.

    Mind-boggling huh. But now, can we say that Amby who has musical abilities and from that most likely significant mental concentration is just better able to know/focus on what he is doing?

    Some may jump on me for suggesting that, but what other reason? Look at the ‘ball placements’ of bowlers like Mcgrath and Pollock by the new tv technology. Every ball in the ‘chosen spot’.

    When they get lashed, their line or length immediately adjusted to avoid same or even for a wicket.

    But some of our young guys have extensive trouble getting the ball on a line and length in the first place, much less keeping it there. Amby used to have the batsman in trouble practically every ball, due to placement.

    Then, the disparity is made worse when you factor in his ‘late’ entry into cricket but some of these youngsters have apparently being playing from much younger.

    Did no older cricketers not explain the fundamentals to them, could they not learn that placement meant so much, or did pure pace carry them through until they reached the highest level, then to reach a ‘wall’?

    Or is it that they pure just do not listen to more experienced players as some suggest?

    Food for thought and until we find out those answers, it is the ‘individually talented and determined’ players who will make it to the top.

  94. Rumplestilskin

    Just one error above, Collymore has obviously been the most consistently accurate of our bowlers, although young Powell and Taylor seem to be trying to ‘get there’.

    Apologies.

    Yet, he is experienced and my reference is to the youngsters around.

  95. John

    Rumplestilskin

    All of the talents required of a fast bowler Ambrose possessed ….. and more.

    I have heard the story of Ambrose never having played cricket before he was 18.

    However, I have also heard the story of Ambrose on a rest day in a test in which he was playing being found by a van load of his opponents playing cricket with the boys of his village of Sweets ….. in the road!!

    His opponents were availing themselves of an island tour for some rest and relaxation. Curtly too was getting his rest and relaxation!!

    It must have upset the opposition batsmen no end and brought their period of rest and relaxation to an abrupt halt.

    So, I agree, I think the first story about his not playing cricket before 18 refers to competitive cricket.

    Curtly was another natural who did not need an academy.

    But that was true West Indies Cricket. We have outgrown it, become more sophisticated and now look to an academy to produce cricketers because that is how it works in the big countries.

    The real question is “Do we want the real thing, or will an imitation do?”

    I say go back to basics and play real West Indies Cricket. By all means have an academy to operate like a finishing school, but let raw talent emerge on its own. It cannot be manufactured, we just don’t have the resources.

    Sir Garfield Sobers was a great cricketer, some say the best, yet he will tell you that Collie Smith, his friend who unfortunately died in a car accident, was even better!! Neither had any formal schooling in cricket.

    The emergence of great West Indian cricketers has been a natural process, one of playing the game day in day out, realising personal shortcomings, overcoming them and the challenge of playing older boys and where possible and necessary, listening to heads who were older and wiser.

    It is perhaps the older wiser heads who recognised talent and pushed a youngster to realise his fullest potential who have also gone missing today. This was very much a private process.

    The inability to listen and empathise and the desire not to want to become involved are also societal factors which go into the recipe for our predicament.

    It is a reflection of the waning interest in cricket.

    …. and so we have no raw natural talent emerging, haven’t for getting up to 20 years if you sit and think about it!! It was drying up from the time of Sir Viv.

    Lara was probably the last!!

    We don’t want our legends signing autographs and giving interviews for money. We want them to add their collective wisdom to the older wiser heads who care enough to get involved in a youngster’s development and to remember and remind us all how it was for them.

    That is how legends are made.

    Most importantly, we need to find a way to properly compensate our cricketers when they go into retirement. Their dignity is important not only to them, but also to the youngsters who would aspire to be like them ….. and to us.

  96. Rumplestilskin

    Well said.

  97. Get In The Action

    Oh come on Jodiperry, one drop catch caused the whole demise of WI cricket. Richards was a fantasitc batsmen and he had success as a captain because he had what was left from the Clive Lloyd era. What he left, was this attitude that no matter what we are super stars. That is how are players think now, far from reality. He had a racist chip on his shoulder, he talked about Black Wash – screw the input of Indians, whites and Chinese to the history of WI cricket. It was all about Sir Viv. His arrogance and attitude started this downfall, Richardson just took the baton

  98. ILLUMINATOR

    People will probably find this controversial but what exactly has drug prohibition acheived . It did not work for alcohol and its not working for the other drugs either . You guys are getting on like if its actually stopping people from using , all its doing is diverting massive resources ( human and financial ) from other much more solvable problems . The US is spending a mint on the ‘war on drugs ‘ and is losing so do you think we are going to somehow amazingly trump them . Even worse is that it creates a massive black market that creates drug gangs , guns , encourages corruption and a whole lot of even more unsavoury problems that would be immediately greatly reduced if they were legalised.

    Remember alcohol prohibition had all the same problems which actually made it the main money earner for the mob and thats all we are doing again . Not to mention denying ourselves meaningful research into the industrial uses of cannabis which goes far beyond its intoxicating properties.

    It probably would be very difficult for most people to envision legalising drugs as them being illegal is so deeply ingrained in our minds but just remember that rum or spirit that you fire from time to time could have gotten you labelled a criminal or even shot . Its just a matter of perception and whether any powerful enough entities are willing to back it for whatever reason. Its time to wake up and realise that many laws are not really created for ‘our’ benefit at all.

    As for cricket , i am no expert by a long shot but a structured and efficient strength , fitness and nutrition program would go a long way in my opinion . Our ‘guys’ on a good day can beat any team in the world i feel but don’t ask them to repeat the feat too soon again as they just won’t have the gusto to maintain at that high level . The Australians have a coach for each part of the game , natural skill and ability is just not enough any more as the sheer volume of games would soon overcome you .

    I think that is one of the areas to be looked at but the overall problem of course is quite muli-faceted .

  99. samizdat

    Ok, here’s another controversial point of view:

    We now suck at cricket. Well, so what?

    Do we really have nothing else to be proud of?

    Yeah, I understand the historical perspective, the importance of the post-colonial challenge to the imperialist supremacy, and so on.

    But that battle was won, triumphantly. Do we still so desperately need success in a sport to feel validated or significant on the world stage? If we do, it suggests we haven’t grown up as a culture. Worse, it implies that without cricket, we have nothing, no confidence in our identity. And that’s just pathetic.

    We had an era of supremacy: it couldn’t possibly last for ever. Nothing can. The Greeks once had the largest army in the world. The Portuguese (who?) were once a European superpower.

    So, let’s love cricket, be passionate about even. But let’s keep it in perspective, and not bawl like little girls if our team lose. It’s only a game, not . And we have so much else to live for and be proud of…

  100. samizdat

    The penultimate sentence got scrambled.

    It should have read: “It’s only a game after all, not a culture war.”

  101. Yardbroom

    People unwisely make an analogy with alcohol prohibition in the USA, in their efforts to garner support for the legalisation of drugs.

    Alcohol was legal before prohibition, therefore people used it at will, the situation changed from legal useage to prohibition, hence the problems that ensued.

    A completely different situation applies to drugs, they are not “now legal,” therefore the comparision does not stand up.

  102. Rumplestilskin

    Both your posted noted with some valid points.

    Illuminator, I agree that the resources used to combat drugs are out of proportion and one option is to have Government ‘pharmacies’ or licensed pharmacies only providing to citizens certified by doctors as needing, then we eliminate the ‘gang element’.

    Such has crossed my mind many times.

    Food for thought though.

    Note that although the US has spent massive resources on the ‘prevention of drugs’, guess who has used monies from drugs for its international ‘projects’ vs foreign governments…CIA.

    So, when a Government arm is itself profiting and using such culture to forward its own programme, can a general anti-drug programme for everyone else really work?

    In respect of cricket and ”fitness and nutrition program would go a long way in my opinion ” you are very right. BUT, how about when there are allegations that the Aussie fitness trainer quits because players are not listenting, or say it is too hard? We need to enforce discipline and tell those players goodbye, if indeed such happened.

    Discipline needs to be enforced, that is the one of problems.

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  105. Bimbro

    I have n’t read the full article above but admit to having heard of this Rasta (Ikwhever -e-name is) guy before and thought to myself – why? What’s so wonderful about him and why has he become a significant person in Bim. I still can’t see the reason!

    My view is; if day want to smoke pot then let them, then when they lose their minds don’t bother spending any of the State’s valuable tax money on treating them. You know that there’re people who, no matter how much you warn them of the danger of a thing will insist on doing it anyway, so just let the idiots suffer when they get into trouble. As long as they did it in private and did n’t encourage youngsters to participate.

    Also, so many people have made so much money from the illegal trade in the substance unlike honest hard working people who go out to work everyday that to legalise it may be the only way of killing its fascination and thus the market for it – akin to the end of prohibition.

    As for getting closer to Africa; you’ve got to wonder if the government’s taken leave of its senses.

  106. True Native

    Bimbro:

    Very well said! As to the question, has the government take leave of its senses – I don’t think it ever had any senses to take leave of. The emphasis in Barbados nowadays is all on the Bad and the Ugly – vulgarity, crudity, ugly clothes, ugly hair styles, ugly junk noise (they call it music) and most of all, emphasis on “Back To Africa”. You asked in an earlier blog if we allow Muslims here. Are you kidding? More and more coming in from Guyana every day. And Trinidad is close to owning us. Welcome to Barbados.

  107. Bimbro

    Hi True Native, sorry I’ve only just seen your reply. I’m disappointed to hear what you say about the state of Bim, today. What I can’t understand is why the government allows it. Can’t they see what you and others can? As for ‘Back To Africa’. Anybody, who says that, just makes me laugh because Africans here in the UK, generally, don’t want the slightest, thing to do with West Indians except, perhaps, to exploit them, if possibly, they can.

    As for letting muslims into Bim. I can hear Bim’s death-knell sounding, already. Are you going to return Arthur to power for a fourth, time?

  108. True Native

    Hi Bimbro, I’m surprised you found my comment after this long time! As to your question about Arthur. Well for me, NO WAY would I think of returning him to power (he never had my vote from the start anyhow). About the Muslims being “allowed” into Bim: Muslims have been settling in Barbados since the 1970’s and probably longer than that. There was no reason to be suspicious of them at that time because they were seen as peaceful people, which, in all honesty, I think they were. Then the radicals sprang up like mushrooms all over the world and now the “peaceful” Muslim children are being taught by clerics and in schools to hate Christians and Jews and to become suicide bombers (for each Infidel they kill they will be rewarded with 72 virgins in THEIR heaven!!) Yes, that’s how ignorant they are. Barbados is a democracy (well, until recently!) so don’t blame us for letting them in years ago.

  109. Jew

    Look. Suppose I was “a Jew”, a Jewish person, and I had lived here for say….a lifetime…. became a physician….and Bimbro came to me. Do you think I would break the Hippocratic oath and kill him as an infidel? Of course not.

    Now, suppose I was Muslim (not A Muslim, as we often write), and I was a physician, etc….?

    The point I am here trying to make is that yes, there is radicalism in Islam, but we have a great many Muslims here who contribute to growth of our GDP, and to our health care system, and in many areas, including education and many more.

    Jews, Christians and Muslims must work together to create a society with the freest of constitution, to eliminate racism, and to promote freedom in the religious structure, and freedom of speech.

    We could go either way, but I for one, if I was Jewish, would not like to read so much racism, as above about Muslim people. This is not logical or productive.

    It has nothing to do with drug use, but is relevant to the topics discussed above. Ikael Tafari quotes Carlos Castenada, a writer renowned for the use of natural psychtropic drugs, popular in university circles, but absolutely scary in terms of the survival of the brain cell. Check out by google who Castenada is and you’ll see!

    Also, further back in the thread, we forget Bradshaw and Browne winning the Championship Trophy (one before last) for the WI. just 3 years ago, in the fading light. I for one was proud of the WI team, and proud to be Bajan, when we won that one. Weren’t you?

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  111. Bimbro

    True Native, sorry only just noticed your post above. NOTHING in this world would ever persuade me that it is wise and prudent to have muslims in our country. Not only because of their obvious international war against christians and christianity but also because of my personal experience of them. However, if you wish to have them in Bim then, good luck to you. I don’t live there so my opinion does n’t really matter all that much. Would n’t it be nice if we could hear about christians being invited to live in muslim countries in the same numbers as in ours.

    I know what I call people who invite muslims into our country (and I could n’t care less how long they’ve been there already) – it begins with ‘a’ and ends with ‘s’. I leave you to figure it out if you’d like to. As for the British experience, well they’re such a hopeless lot that I can’t even bother to comment on them. America’s in a similar situation which they’ve discovered to their heavy cost but at least they now seem, belatedly, to have opened their eyes and are presumably, taking appropriate measures to deal with them.

    As you said, we’re democracies and sadly, ambitious politicians will do anything to gain power including allowing unfettered influx of undesirables into their country if they believe it will procurre them votes, as we have experienced in the UK!

    Democracy has been our saviour. I fear that it may in the long run, also prove to be our downfall!

    Anyway, I ‘wun be aroun den’ so it’s up to you and others to secure your successors’ futures. If you think the way to do so is to let more muslims into your country then the responsibility is on your shoulders. Hope for your childrens sakes and their children that you make the right decision!

    Good luck!

  112. Michael Swann

    Wow, you really do spend a lot of time attacking this guy.
    I have to ask if there is, perhaps, a personal dimension to this as is really makes for some remarkably shoddy journalism.
    You wouldn’t get away with work like that in the UK.

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