Murder In Christ Church Barbados. Headless Body In Brush, Woman Had Hands Tied Behind Back

Children find woman’s headless body

CBC Website – Monday, 16 April 2007

There was a gruesome discovery this afternoon in Canevale Christ Church. The body of a woman was found headless in a bushy area by a group of children.

Eyewitness say the body was discovered by a young boy trying to recover his kite.

The tail was apparently stuck in a tree and the youngster was trying to free it when he came across the gruesome site on the ground below.

Shortly afterwards while telling adults what he had seen the trembling child threw up. Some of the people who also got up close before the police arrived told CBC they saw a naked, bent over, headless and mutilated body of a small woman. Her hands were tied behind her back.

Police, with assistance from Defence Force officers, quickly cordoned off the area and combed the scene looking for the missing head but up until news time it had not been found.

Last Updated ( Mon, Apr 16 2007 )

All the above came from the CBC News website (link here). We repeated the entire article because the CBC website is very slow tonight and you may not be able to access it. Thanks to BFP reader J for the tip.

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84 responses to “Murder In Christ Church Barbados. Headless Body In Brush, Woman Had Hands Tied Behind Back

  1. Jerome Hinds

    Strange circumstances, I did not recall a ” missing person ” report about someone fitting that description.

    Not much details as yet to determine how long the person had died / missing.

    As a nation we have to curb our brutish tendencies.

  2. Anonymous

    Crime in Trinidad BAD, boy!

  3. I forgot!

    Somebody didn’t pay their drugs bill!

  4. ??

    Jerome, once again we agree we simply cannot tolerate this. What penalty will the culprit face when/if captured… sorry life in prison seems too good. If it is thought that hanging is too brutal we should consider lethal injection but brutal murderers must be stopped for good!

  5. Jerome Hinds

    ?? Question Mark,

    Your ” thinking ” has improved now that we have entered the last half of April 2007….!

    Must be because of the dismal showing of the BLP with respect to the handling of CWC 2007….!

    Are you a policeman / know one…..??

    Ticket sales in Barbados going so well…that policemen are given 2,000 free tickets for the game today…..England vs South Africa…!

    Any Questions from you….??

    Have a nice day…!

  6. Jerome Hinds

    resident of pickwick

    April 17th, 2007 at 11:51 am

    Francine Charles on radio screaming about why LOC decide to or not to open Pickwick Gap to allow spectators in and out of Oval. Woman sound like she wants to fight. The lies and confusion coming from LOC are mind boggling. I dont know what to believe anymore except that so far World Cup has been a fiasco.
    ********************************************

    ?? Question Mark,

    Before jumping to the defence of your BLP connivers, pay some attention the concerns of your fellowman like the one above….!

  7. ??

    Lets not go there I think we still seriously disagree on those points.
    No I am not a Policeman but I saw your posts earlier on the tickets. I have not seen any Official notice on this but if you are right does that mean that the majority of the force will be at the game today making it the safest game ever…. Now with that I am pulling your leg.

    It is unfortunate that Sundays match was not between the Indians and Pakistani teams as was widely expected hence so many tickets sold. I am told contrary to some speculation on this blog that the ticket payments were non refundable so the money received will stay with LOC. I cannot however confirm the total revenue that represents. I can say though that the 5000 bajans and others who were at the game on Sunday enjoyed themselves..

    Keep posting and try to be a bit more civil and we can have meaningful debates.

  8. ??

    I agree that some actions by the LOC seem strange.. including barriers etc

  9. No - Name

    Francine is obviously under some stress. That was not good for her image in the PR Realm. She must remember that there is life after CWC and potential employers/clients might be listening to her/onserving how she is handling the situation.

  10. Lady Anon

    Back to the actual report. Could this once again be a case of domestic abuse?

    Jerome indicated that he does not recall a “missing” person’s report. Pure speculation, but I don’t believe she is missing yet. Within a few days, family members will come forward saying they have not heard or seen so-and-so for a few days and they will piece it together.

    Domestic abuse, pure and simple. (In my mind, that is)

  11. Observer

    Lady Anon:

    Without letting the cat out of the bag,Barbados is a very small community.The victim might very well be a case of outright murder as opposed to domestic abuse.
    I happen(maybe)to know first hand who the victim maybe (at least 90%).
    Sadly enough the situation was like a time bomb waiting to happen.
    We’re just waiting for comfirmation from the police,like I said before this is a small place and the news reaching me seems to point in that direction.I hope it isnt so but if it is it will be a tragedy for myself and others.

  12. Analysis

    Naked. hands tied behind back. Beheaded.
    This is not domestic abuse.

    If you kill ******* she not gonna cook for you any longer!
    This is a drugs bill that was un-paid,
    or a *** who knew more than she should, about some drugs(or murder) something,
    and had to be eliminated, in a maner(naked,beheaded,hands tied,execution!)
    so that OTHERS WOULD LEARN, and toe the line.

    I almost-parallel this to the killing of ‘TONE’, about a year and a half ago.

    This is NOT Domestic Violence.

    **************************

    BFP edited for language.

    george

  13. concerned

    A shocking tragedy for everyone. Mutilated, bound, decapitated. Not a simple crime by any means.

  14. Lady Anon

    As I said it is mere speculation on my part, as I am not privy to the information that others obviously have.

  15. Analysis

    Apologies for the Imus language: sorry.
    ———————-
    Observer, thanks for your input. We look fwd. to your further input when you get confirmation.
    Interesting what you said about this being a situation ‘on the boil’, just waiting for a time and place to happen. So sorry for you,too.
    Please do let us know, and thanks very much again for your input.
    Please do come back.

  16. concerned

    Analysis, was “TONE” the person whose hands, eyelids and other parts were cut off, he was photographed naked and the photos put on the internet for all to see?

    Was anyone ever caught for that horrible crime?

  17. Analysis

    Yes…’Tone’ was the one who was surgically dismembered! His body was found in the back of Susan’s white car, in a cart road somewhere.
    A solid-background young man I worked with…his bro. got ahold of a copy, and together they SAW THE VIDEO that was filmed (“for future reference”!) and the details were appalling, and this colleague of mine is NOT one to kid around,I can assure you. I questioned him closely on certain details, and the deduction is that this was a very professional hit team that may have been imported for the occasion! Hi-quality professional chef stainless steel ‘cutlery’ was used, not Collins/machete.
    I emailed details(as I then remembered them) to The HEAT newspaper, about 6mths. to a year ago, if you can dig up that issue(had it keeping,but seems to have been chucked out,sorry).
    (I still have the pics somewhere, but have never been able to get ahold of a copy of the DVD)

    The eyelids cut off are thought to be indicative that Tone saw too much.
    The hands cut off are becoz he/Tone used to steal people’s drugs and sell them.
    The willie cut off was …who knows?
    he may have interefered with de wrong body’s girlfriend, or it may have been for pure shock value! (he was BAWLING,by that time!)

    There were two guys doing the job, and a third man behind the camera!
    Imported from Colombia? who knows! Entered at GAIA? or at Btown Port? not likely.
    Such persons come ashore and leave as they see fit, in a fast pirogue, here on the island for maybe 12 hours total, do the job and gone!
    – no $60 Escape Tax for them at GAIA!

    No-one was ever caught for that crime, and to the best of my knowledge the local cops looked for the hands but never recovered them. The hands may have been taken back to The Boss, as evidence of a job well done!

    When the underworld wants to ‘send a clear message’ they do stuff like this(above) or a beheading: this is not standard stuff.
    On the other hand, the recent beheading could just as easily be the work of some spiteful, entirely-wacko ex-boyfriend…who knows??
    Will we ever get the real truth?
    We depend on Observer to come back and let us know. He/She seems personally-close to the situation,most unfortunately.Must be quite awful for him/her.

  18. from archives

    ‘All-out’ search

    published on: Dec/31/2005.

    POLICE ARE STILL working around the clock to solve the mysterious disappearance of Antonio Barker. So said police public relations officer, Station Sergeant Barry Hunte, during a media briefing at Central Police Station yesterday.
    Stressing the force’s focus was to find Barker as soon as possible,
    Hunte added they had interviewed over 100 people in relation to the case since September.
    Barker, 22, of No. 62 Sapphire Avenue, Rock Dundo Park, St Michael, was snatched from in front of his home on September 19 by four men, and bundled into a car.

    Responding to suggestions that Barker might have been abducted by four non-national thugs, Hunte said investigations had been very thorough and
    there was nothing to “substantiate that hypothesis”.

    Hunte denied suggestions in the media that there had been little dialogue with Barker’s family on his disappearance, instead disclosing that police had communicated with his parents as recently as Thursday.

    Commenting on investigations into the murder of Anthony “Tone” Coward, of Kingsland Terrace, Christ Church, in October, Hunte again said there was no evidence to support allegations that he had been abducted by four non-national criminals.

    Asked specifically if police had interviewed any non-nationals in connection with the disappearance of Barker and the murder of Coward,
    Hunte would only say that a number of people had been interviewed.

    ============================

    I may have been wrong earlier, when I said it was two men doing he work, and one man behind the camera.
    Based on the mention,above,of four non-nationals…it could be that there were three men doing the job, with a cameraman recording: four sounds more practical,too!

  19. Observer

    Well as expected ..it is who I thought it was,this is so tragic and senseless.
    Because of the type of person killed ,I bet my pension that there will be the usual ‘investigation’ and then it will die a natural death (no pun intended).I am waiting to see what the outcome of this will be.
    If you dont believe that non-nationals come here to do hit jobs ,you ar living in a cave,just an example are Tone,Woggy and the QEH orderly from St.Lucy,just to name a few.
    These people land here,do their job and take back trophies for their bosses.
    This case however is different as the person involved was sadly not even in a position to be malicious……in my point of view (and I may be wrong) this is most likely a case of being the wrong place at the wrong time………at least her worries are finally over and may she finally rest in peace.

  20. Analysis

    Many thanks for your further input, sir.

    so sorry that this has happened to someone you know, or is close to you. Bear up!

  21. Observer

    I guess by now we all know and have seen the picture of this lady in the news paper.

    Thanks Analysis for the kind words.

    What frustrates me the most is that she is just like a lot of other young people in Barbados who will fall through the cracks.
    She had a very bad drug problem from young and it just got worse.Family is a very important part of life but sometimes they let you down.
    Not to say that she was not to blame for her condition but I know first hand that some of us are stronger than others and it is the weak ones who rely on our strength.Sadly this strength can come in the form of vicious ,vindictive people who prey on the same weakness.
    Still she didnt have to go in this manner and I hope the person responsible be caught swiftly and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
    My only other concern is for the others who will fall through the same cracks……knowing that a similar fate awaits them.

  22. Ann

    hi to everyone, im literally sick hearing of this incident, i grew up with this young lady,we were practically neighbors, hearing of her situation is so sad, i pray for her kids and family as well as my island, i live in new york and am having a difficult time trying to find a photo to go with this story, can someone please post a link if at all possible?stay safe and God bless

  23. J. Payne

    The thing about hanging. Is it already on the law books (if not by actual print) then by technicality because Britiain carried it out and their usage would have been passed onto Barbados up until the time of independence.

    Lethal Injection brings up a whole other set of question. Hanging by all means is pretty much free. Setup the condemned person after they have exausted all of their appeals to the courts. Place them on a piece of board over an open whole put a rope around dey’ neck. kick out the board and the die after they spine is instantly severed by their body weight and they suffocate. Pretty much free…

    Lethal Injection requires ammending the law books. Then buying these “humane” expensive drugs more than likely means from America and the debate (just like life in prison) becomes who wants to pay more for them to die by injection when government could save the money and put it towards the disadvantaged in society?

  24. Observer

    Ann:
    Funny enough,it is on the front page of the daily nation but if you go to the website at nationnews.com,there is only the pic of tourists jumping in a pool …..the page is doctored to show only happy tourists faces.
    I will try to scan it for you later as I left my paper elsewhere.
    I too know her personally and it is a shame.

  25. I have been searching for about an hour for a news story like this. I am in Lakeland, Florida, and a coworker of mine told us she just found out her sister was found murdered and beheaded. This has got to be the same person, unless beheadings are commonplace in the Caribbean. I dont know who here knows the girl personally, but I’d like to know if this is the same person and if there is more information out there about what happened. Her mother and a 2nd sister are in New York. My coworker is planning to fly down next week for the funeral. Can anyone give me more info or direct me to an updated story? Any info would be very helpful.

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  27. Ann

    thank you Observer, thats all i saw on the NATION site also, Karen along with her sisters and I attended the same primary school, Karen and I were in the same classes attended the same church etc. I havent been able to sleep at all, my head is just filled with visions of her from childhood until the last time i saw her and as you know was a BEAUTIFUL girl, I remember the little boys at primary school fighting over her and she would just smile, what a beautiful smile she had, Cheqsixx, you must be talking about her eldest sister ” In…..” if so yes this is the same person, have a blessed day everyone.

  28. Observer

    Ann:
    She was the best looking girl in the area,she had all the guys drooling when she walked past.
    I knew her …and my brother-in-law has a little boy from her.
    As I said in my other posts,she fell through the cracks of society about 10 yrs ago,I hope we can save others.
    I knew for a fact she tried to kick the habit but to no avail.Her weakness was her down fall but at least lets hope she will be in a better place.
    Others will only see her as a paro and a crackhead but I see her and the many others as human beings,and she was a beautiful one .
    RIP Karen.I will always remember you for the person you were …… not the person drugs made you into.

  29. jinxoo7

    Hang them i say !!!

    What i will never understand is why lawyers will appeal so passionately for the lives of murderers to be spared, when these sick individuals never gave a second thought to crimes committed, to the families they have destroyed .
    Yet, it is deemed “Inhumane” for them to be kept on death row ! Was there anything humane about the way this young lady died???

  30. Cheqsixx

    Ann-
    Yes that would be the sister. She is obviously devastated about this. She said she hadn’t spoken with her in years, which I’m sure makes it that much more difficult. What makes it even more terrible is her mother will not be able to return, for “legal” reasons. That alone must be impossible to handle, a mother losing a child but unable to be there to say goodbye. If Karen ever possessed the same inner light her sister has, she must have been an extraordinary person. Tragic as it is, all we can hope is that Karen is in a better place and that her killer(s) find justice. If you know “I” personally, I will gladly pass along any messages you might want to convey to her.

  31. Ann

    Hey ALL,hope you all are doing well,Observer, you are so right and i think she was a model at some point wasnt she? anyway i need to speak with you so hit me up me on msn at bajanqueen35, and Cheq, its all soo sad I offer my condolences as everyone here does, looking back wont help big sis at this point, she just needs to pray and have good friends to lean on for support, have a great weekend and stay safe everyone.

  32. Cheqsixx

    Not sure if you’re the one she’s talking about Ann, but “I” says hello and thanks everyone for the kind words. She said you may be “Hut…….”, from Arthur Seat? Hope I spelled that right. She says you may know her grandmother, “O….”. Anyhow, she looks forward to returning home, albeit not for the best of circumstances, for something so tragic as this. She seems to be taking things better as the days go by, and she has plenty of support here. So, I’m positive she will get through this about as well as can be expected.

  33. Observer

    Will do Ann.

  34. Ann

    cheq her and i were confirmed the same day, i lived a few doors away

  35. DFX

    To Ann, Observer and Cheq,

    I don’t know why, and I have not seen the pics yet, but this name rings a bell for me. I would like to tell you how sorry I am that you have lost a friend. Please know you have my prayers with you. I have a friend in Florida who is “slipping through the cracks” as well. I hope this will be a wake-up call for him and his family.

    May she rest in peace.

    Sincerely

    DFX

  36. Ann

    thanks Dfx i pray this DOES make him seek help, I’m also waiting for a recent pic, i’ll try to get the wednesday Nation tomorrow(i’m in bklyn) and there may be a tribute coming soon im told, take care and i pray your friend seeks help

  37. Observer

    Thanks DFX,we need to help them as much as we can to stop them from slipping.Years ago,I would have said it is their fault because I was ignorant to the issues,now I know different.

  38. Chase

    DFX
    how is you leg doing man…long time no hear…..we still have a couple beers to throw back,let me know when…..see if we can get Ian Bourne too,he like eclipse though.

  39. Anonymous

    VOB 5 : 30 pm news for 2007 – 04 – 20 reports another death of a woman in the Lower Burney / Fort Geoge area.

    Do we have a killer on thr prowl ?

  40. DFX

    Chase,

    This adjective foot can’t make up it’s mind what it doing. One day it good, next day you walking and you turn to look at something and BANG a bomb goes off in the ankle and you almost cry. But it is feeling alot better thanks. Due to circumstances beyond my control I have been off work for 2 weeks now (Thanks to CWC) and not having to move around as much has really helped. Looking forward to those beers. Ian would not be a bad liming partner as we are both old Kolij Rats even classmates for a while many moons ago.

    Will get clearance from the wife and then we can go help out Banks with early Xmas

    Later

    DFX

  41. Chase

    Anytime…..just put in the application for clearance early hear.
    Take care man.

  42. Nubia

    Karen and I attended St. Leonards Girl, we met when she was 11 and I 12.
    What a lovely girl and she showed such promise. Lost contact after school,
    but always thought of her and where life had taken her. This is very
    upsetting for me and I’m sure scores of other people who knew her. Nobody
    deserves to die this way. My prayers go out to her family but most of all
    her four kids that are left without a mother. Rest In Peace Karen

  43. Cheqsixx

    Hi this is one of Karen’s family members – thanks to the people who were sincere in their postings offering sympathy to our family. I am just a little concerned, because you have leaked a lot of personal and pertinent information about Karen’s sister and her plans. I really believe that this was unnecessary and I question your motives for posting in this blog. Grief is difficult enough without adding further complications such as personal information about her travel plans and her mother online. I happen to know for a fact that she must have purposefuly misinformed you about certain details because she does not trust easily for this same reason. Her mom will be attending the funeral and I as you refered to her is very personal and we all consider this a violation of her personal rights at such a difficult time. Please refrain from posting in this blog. We sincerly question your motives and will pursue this further!

  44. Shaine

    Hello everyone, I am Karen’s baby sister and in reading these blogs I thank those who posted kind words. Thank you!! For those who posted unkind words, unless you are dealt such circumstances (and I pray you never do), these words are painful. In death it does not matter how a life was lived-but it matters what affect it has on others. My family is devastated because no matter what life she lead, she did not deserves to die that way. I know someone of you know our family from childhood etc, and we thank you BUT privacy here is the key.

    To CheqSixx, “WE” know who you are and my sister is upset because you took private conversation and twisted it here to make yourself important. You and my sister are not THAT close and she knew you were not to be trusted. So for all future bloggers, I will try my best to reply to all other blogs. I thank you for your thoughts and prayers.

  45. WYFI

    Hi this is one of Karen’s family members – thanks to the people who were sincere in their postings offering sympathy to our family. I am just a little concerned, because you have leaked a lot of personal and pertinent information about Karen’s sister and her plans. I really believe that this was unnecessary and I question your motives for posting in this blog. Grief is difficult enough without adding further complications such as personal information about her travel plans and her mother online. I happen to know for a fact that she must have purposefuly misinformed you about certain details because she does not trust easily for this same reason. Her mom will be attending the funeral and I as you refered to her is very personal and we all consider this a violation of her personal rights at such a difficult time. Please refrain from posting in this blog. We sincerly question your motives and will pursue this further!

  46. WYFI

    Hi this is one of Karen’s family members – thanks to the people who were sincere in their postings offering sympathy to our family. Cheqsixx I am just a little concerned, because you have leaked a lot of personal and pertinent information about Karen’s sister and her plans. I really believe that this was unnecessary and I question your motives for posting in this blog. Grief is difficult enough without adding further complications such as personal information about her travel plans and her mother online. I happen to know for a fact that she must have purposefuly misinformed you about certain details because she does not trust easily for this same reason. Her mom will be attending the funeral and I as you refered to her is very personal and we all consider this a violation of her personal rights at such a difficult time. Please refrain from posting in this blog. We sincerly question your motives and will pursue this further!

  47. Shaine

    Hello everyone, I am Karen’s baby sister and in reading these blogs I thank those who posted kind words. Thank you!! For those who posted unkind words, unless you are dealt such circumstances (and I pray you never do), these words are painful. In death it does not matter how a life was lived-but it matters what affect it has on others. My family is devastated because no matter what life she led, she did not deserve to die that way. I know some of you know our family from childhood etc, and we thank you BUT privacy here is the key.

    To CheqSixx, “WE” know who you are and my sister is upset because you took PRIVATE conversation and twisted it here to make yourself important. You and my sister are not THAT close and she knew you were not to be trusted. So for all future bloggers, I will try my best to reply to all other blogs. I thank you for your thoughts and prayers.

    Sorry for the 2nd post but in typing under such stress I lost my sense of grammar and spelling 🙂

  48. Jadsam

    Hi, this is Ingrid, one of Karen’s sister – my sister just called me and told me about this blog. She was extremley upset by some particular postings. Interestingly enough I have a co-worker who also told me about this blog. I saw no need to post here and did not expect to be doing so, however because of Cheqsixx aka. Kevin who works with me I am forced to respond. First of all thank all of you who posted for your sincere concerns for our family at this difficult time. Kevin, I am really hurt by the fact that you would take private information shared in grieving moments and feel the desire to go online and share personal information. I am glad that I followed my natural instints and did not trust you. You have violated me at a time when I need to be grieving. I will pursue this in lieu of my family’s request. The information you posted regarding my mom and my travel plans or the location where I work was unnecessary. My sister is dead and you semingly are getting your kicks from gosipping and seeking information for personal gain. I hope that you and your family never experience such a tradgedy and that you never have to deal with insensitive people such as yourself. I will see you at work on Monday.

  49. Basil

    It is very tragic that even in the most difficult of times there are people who will try to take advantage for their own personal motives. To the person who said they work with Karen’s sister, you should be ashamed of yourself and your covert actions. You pretended to be concerned for her with some thoughtful words, but your intent seemed to be to divulge information that was provided to you in confidence and trust. Barbados is a very small island and the people there know each other. For those of you who are unaware, the Allamby family is one of the largest families on the island and highly respected. The victim’s grandmother; mother; sisters; children and family are still alive. Karen spoke to her sister on a regular basis and they were very close even up til her death.We need to offer condolences, not just opinions or divulge personal or private information at this difficult time, as one can never know what the future holds for us. It could easily have been our family member or ourselves. She died a horrible death and the family is entitled to their grief. I know this family well and when you offend one you tend to offend all. Please be mindful of the fact that we never know when it is going to be our time. On behalf of those offering condolences to the entire family we wish them peace, comfort and privacy in their time of grief.

  50. Observer

    This world is filled with all kinds,here we are at this time sympathising with a family and some idiot has to be malicious.

    I hope in my postings I have not cause any discomfort to the said family,seeing that I have made a few,if this is the case then I am sorry.

    As for Cheqsixx………….get a life!!

  51. Ann

    OH MY GOODNESS!!! what happened here? ok, let me say this Ingrid and Shaine you guys and the rest of the family have my condolences,i know FIRST HAND what good upbringing you three had,as you both know there is and will be alot more said about K, the people that knew KAREN know better, we will remember her beautiful eyes and smile, i dont know what happened here but i’ve seen another board and the words people use cant hurt deeply, again people that dont know her,we all have our short comings in life,it may not be drugs but obviously its not a clean and compassionate heart when hurtful terms are used,the family needs prayers,the kids need prayers, i havent been able to sleep, i keep seeing her, i lit a candle the day i heard and i’m praying for resolution,i will continue to pray for you all, and you do the same,loosing my grandmother was NOT and easy thing for me,i still have my moments and i know this is way more difficult so take your time dealing with this, you will have a bunch of emotions shock anger etc. peace will come eventually,hold each other up, you were raised to be strong ladies, keep your heads UP,big hugs to u,
    ang S

  52. Ingrid

    Nubia thanks for your sympathetic words on behalf of my sister Shaine, my mother and extended family.

  53. Hants

    To Ingrid and the rest of your family, deepest sympathy.
    May your departed sister rest peacefully.

  54. Ingrid

    Thanks Hants. It has been really difficult for us. Regardless of what has been or is being said about my sister, she was a great intelligent and bueatiful personality who was full of life. The life she chose was not an easy one, but she truly did not deserve to die in such a gruesome manner. Your thoughts and your prayers are needed. My greatest comfort is knowing that my sister is at peace and that her earthly suffering has ceased.

  55. Straight talk

    Sounds like the lovely girl had great family support, and yet still this predicted tragedy happened.
    How? Why?
    What support was offered by those who could have intervened? and who can the grieving family turn to now in their mourning?

  56. Angie S

    Ingrid and Shaine you along with mom and the other relatives have my condolances, i posted earlier but i didnt see it on the board,normally i dont care what people say (its a hard lesson i had to learn way back) but i just wish people would stop judging when they didnt know Karen, I’m just glad there’s a forgiving God because if we were to be judged by “man” what would become of us all?no matter what she was God’s child and she gave herself to him years ago,and i’m sure she called him in her time of need, let’s leave the judging to God, its not going to help this family heal, no one knows when these things come on our own door step,ONLY then you can truly understand the pain involved ,keep praying stay strong,blessings!

  57. Shaine

    Thanks Angie S and Straight Talk. Unfortunately, the thing in life is you cannot always control what happens in a person’s life. You can always suggest, provide information, open doors etc, but it is only as good as the person making the step. My sister was a great person who chose a path she felt was necessary for her needs. As much as it hurt, sometimes you just need to be there in case of that small window of opportunity. Sometimes it takes a week–sometimes a year–sometimes it never opens.

    For all those who knew her, we just ask that you remember her for the person she is/was and not for all the trash talk and gossip. This curcumstance does not hold a preference and could have happened to a lawyer or a doctor. So, once again, thanks and on behalf of the family, we appreciate all the positive feedback.

  58. True Native

    Hugo Chavez is ordering the closure of the oldest radio/TV station in Venezuela, and there have been demonstrations in the streets of Caracas. Owing admires Chavez, right? Watch out, BFP!

  59. Angie S

    goodmorning everyone, as i sit her trying to see through my tears, i’m half way through a tribute that Carol Martindale wrote on Karen, I suggest that ALL those people that felt the need to tear Karen’s character down take a look at today’s Sunday Sun,maybe you’ll have an slight understanding of the PERSON of which you speak,I wasnt with Karen as much as some other people might have but in early childhood spent time playing and conversating with her,and were in some of the same classes up until moving on to high school, I normally dont post on boards but again, it was important to me for people to know the person behind the headline,its weird how the brain works, you can forget where you placed an item or what you were told “yesterday” but something happens like this and it just jolts the brain and all the old memories surface,thats what i’ve experienced over the past few days,I hope we all take something more from this incident than just the shock of it all, if some payed tribute to US today, what would they say? what time of person are you, how did you touch another’s life, was it postive or not, no one is perfect but i can assure you there are more positive thoughts about Karen than not,i know the questions you will have, but dealing with these issues are not easy and looking from the outside in, its seems easy to question, where was the help but in the end it takes that person also to find the strength to help themselves, i’m sure this family tried, all this is irrelevant now, I pray shes in God’s protective arms, I know this family values their privacy but please know i just had to say something because i saw and heard so many negative things being said,after reading the newpapers also i had to write and let people know she was loved and she touched lives,i also am very private but no way could i just watch all this things being said and remain silent when I KNOW (at least) a bit more than the people that were saying these things,I sincerely pray for strength and peace for you all,please tell mom i sent my regards, call on God hes the only one that TRULY understands, have a good sunday everyone

  60. Shaine

    Hi Ann…This is Shaine. We (“I”) just read this and we thank you for your kind words. We just here also remembering your home etc (smile) and that lead us to talking about past and fun times also. So we know who u r 🙂 Anyway, the tribute in the paper is a great start for getting those negative and cruel gossipers a slap in the face. WE know who Karen is/was and we know she lived a great life also. She took a path that was not great, but she was loved and always welcomed to come back to her wonderful life. Her family is hugeeeeeeeee and always have open doors. So to those that think she was on her own–she was not!!!!!!

    I am sad to see how people think and am appalled by such degrading gossip. Fortunately, my family and I stand strong and brave, and we are focusing on the greatness of Karen. It is nice to have others to do all the dirty work of consuming themselves with gossip while we move on and celebrate her life. It is times like these that people feel that they are immune to this happening to them. Rest assured, we too thought the same way BUT we are loving, srrong, and too positive to allow this to crumble us. It is a difficult time but Karen’s humour, laisez-faire personality, and thoughtful and kind spirit has given us the strength to move on and deal with our grief. I can tell you that even from above she has given my family comfort and peace.

    So Angie, take comfort in the wonderful person you know/knew her to be. She would want for you to celebrate her life and not sit in grief. Even in heaven she is having a great social moment (as we know her to always have a good time) and that’s what’s important. So please dear, wipe your tears and in regards to the death, as gruesome as it was, she is not angry nor restless—she is at peace and I can tell you that for sure. Take solace in my words and have a great day.

  61. Angie S

    awww (crying again ,darn

  62. Angie S

    dont know why only part of the message posted but i also said your words and understanding meant alot, take care

  63. Shaine

    U too 🙂 U also need to stop crying and try to think that she is next to you asking you to smile as wide as she is. She was a very fun person and one thing she loved more than anything else was to be happy. You need to be happy in remembrance of her. Find peace in these words dear….:)

  64. Angie S

    im better knowing my point got across in the manner it was intended, going to be off for a bit because i have to do the “mommi thing” tiff is 22 now and the other girls are 16 n 8, i know J must be so tall now, anyway enjoy the rest of your day, and what happened to the rest of you guys on the board?? hope you’re enjoying your day, take care.

  65. Marcia

    To The Family of Karen:

    If you people have all this love for Karen as is said in your blogs. I have not seen any mention of any of any of you coming back to Barbados to try to help her with her drug problem. It seems from all indications that Karen fell off the wagon and that is the time that she should have been given all the help to recover from her problem, also bearing in mind that she was a mother of four (4) children which somebody now has to care for. Life is hard for everybody and families stick together through thick and thin. There is nothing we can say or do that could bring Karen back, but I hope that her soul comes back to haunt the person or persons who did this awful deed. May she rest in peace.

  66. Gail

    Hi Everyone,
    I too went to school with Karen and I was devastated when I read and heard about her brutal murder. No one deserves to die like that and I hope that God in his infinite mercy has made Karen one of his angels, because this is how I remember her. I wish that some of those closer to her could have reached out more. There for the grace of God, goes each of us!!!Do not judge because no one knows what lies ahead. My deepest condolences to the family. This is from the entire Kellman Family in USA and Barbados.

  67. Shaine

    To Marcia–Wouldn’t it be nice if you could have been a fly on the wall? Do you think because you have a view on the outside looking in that you have this “wonderful” insight? First, let me tell you something….Ignorance of drug use is what allows people such as yourself to have this misconception that help is that easy. Unless you tell me that you have a degree in substance abuse, then I beg to differ. I have a degree in Counseling, sweetie, and for your information, it is not something OTHER people can do–other people can extend the help, but it is up to the person to accept. If you were to attend any degree program in substance abuse, the 1st thing they say is that person need to accept that they have a problem. Furthermore, the implication in your post is that Karen was left alone. For that alone I will tell you that once again, your ignorance and nosey observation has no basis. So if you think that because you have not seen us or gotten the inside scoop that you have grounds for your implication of neglect, then I suggest that you grow up and before you go around accusing people of something, have VALID information. Apparently, you dont know me, but trust me–you do not want to go up against me in this trivial and ignorant rhetoric….

  68. Shaine

    Hmmmm. I like when people on the outside looking in think they have all the information. Marcia, you apparently need to validate your facts before coming onto a public forum making such extraneous and erroneous fallacies. I would hope you focus on something more relevant to YOU than to OUR family business, which of course you wouldn’t know because you are not family. In the mean time, go do some research on substance abuse and then maybe, maybe we can have a conversation of some importance 🙂

  69. Shaine

    Thanks Gail. Your kind words go far. Thank you and your family 🙂

  70. Sophia Browne

    Shaine, Ingrid and Ms. Allamby,
    You have my condolences. I was in stark disbelief when I heard this news last week. I sat beside and played with Karen at Sharon Mixed. We were close at Sharon and naturally drifted when she went to St Leonards and I Alleyne. However Karen lived her life, there is no point in regurgitating it in her death. What’s done is done. Let us pray that her soul finds rest and the monster who did this horrific act be caught and brought to justice. please let us not forget tha she leaves behind four innocent motherless children who will need all the love, care understanding so that they too do not get swallow up in the life’s cruelties. Again my deepst condolences from my family to the Allambys and Baileys.
    Sophia Browne, Atlanta GA, formerly of Browne’s Gap, Jackson

  71. Observer

    It is a shame that this is turning out on this blog as a contest to see who was or wasn’t there for Karen.
    I was probably the first to comment on her tragedy,figuring I would let others see her for the good person she truly was,now it is turning into disgrace to her memory.
    I wish BFP could please close this particular blog down so as not to let this disgusting debate continue.

    This is so typical Bajan.I blame the malicious people just as much as I blame the family members who dropped to such a low level as to dignify such obvious gossip with explanations.

    Please fellow bloggers……if you dont have anything good to say….DON”T say anything at all,that way we will all think that you are smart.

    To BFP…..let us try to make this blog something other than the tabloids…..for that we can read puddin’& souse.

  72. Shaine

    Hi Sophia,

    How is Kerwin? Anyway, thanks for your post and your warm comments.

    To Observer, apparently if this is not what you want to read you obviously have the option to not read. “WE” the family are not explaining anything, but just trying to thank people for their warm wishes. Unfortunately, you have not and will not “hopefully” ever be in this position and will never know what it is to have to hear such negative comments and not explain. Yet you gloat that you were the first to post warm thoughts, but accuse others of competing—hmm, kinda hypocritical, don’t you think? You dont know me as much as I dont care to know you, and what I choose to do here is frankly, none of your business. Since you feel the need to throw words of disdain around, I suggest you take the high road and just ignore what is not relevant to you. To speak on behalf of my family and try to “educationally” explain things is not dropping to low levels–but you know what they say–small minds think small. If you want to be acknowledge just say so, but choose and use your words carefully…

  73. Hants

    This blog is called “free” for obvious reasons which Observer does not seem to understand.

    Karen’s family is honoring her memory by taking the time to respond to comments made here.She obviously has caring family and friends.

    BFP please keep the freedom of speech.

  74. Observer

    Shaine:

    You obviously dont understand what I was trying to say.
    I was never gloating about being the first to comment.All I was trying to say is that it didn’t need to become like this.As I have said before,if I have offended anyone I am sorry.I would just like for us to have good memories to cherish ,that is all.

    I have been and still am in a very similar position so dont think for one minute this situation is uniqe only to you,if you had read any of my earlier posts from the start,maybe you would see that my intentions are sincere because of my connection to the whole situation.

    I know you dont know me nor do I know you ,as to caring to know you …maybe because one of these days our paths are going to cross because of this .

    I can see that you are angry but that anger is misguided towards me ,I am not looking for acknowledgement……..just to help with the memory of a good person.

    My sincere apologies and condolences to your family.

  75. Observer

    Hants:

    It is because of the same freedom,that malicious people are trying create strife by commenting on things they know nothing about.Read from the first post all the way down and you will see what I am refering to.

    Yes,freedom of speech is good but when it is used to spread lies and gossip,what good is it??

  76. Angie S

    hi all, so i see karen has organized a reunion, hi Gail, say hi to Sandra, mom and the rest of the fam,and hello ms. Sophie*smiles* how are you and your family,Shaine, maybe you can set up something for friends of Karen on my space or something similar? just an idea, all the sharonites could come through,lol.Stay strong.goodnite all.

  77. As i read this blog forum, i am consumed with tears and it’s hurts to see the nonsense bickering. Never would’ve i have thought that this would’ve happened to Karen. When my mom called me crying telling me the news, because of the manner of how she died, i was more in rage than hurt by her death and the first thing that came to my mind was revenge and i wanted to find the person or persons responsible and give them a taste of their own medicine… and i still feel that way…. but then the reality of her death hit me a couple days later and i couldn’t sleep and i cried and cried and cried…. i’m even here crying as i write this. I still can’t believe it.
    All i want to say is that Karen, regarless of the way she lived her life, was a great person, and anyone that really knew her and not just knew of her, would know this. There is no need for anyone to belittle Karen or present rumors as well as re-introduce old rumors. It serves no significance to the situation. After all, no one is perfect and we all make bad choices and decisions. Also, as humans it is expected that we will make a mutitude of mistakes throughout life’s complex journey. That’s our burden as mortals…. but no matter what anyone may think or do, only GOD can cast judgement; and despite what some societal members deem Karen as, she was still loved; because she was family to some, a friend to others, and a caring mother. Having said that, i refuse to target anyone at fault and i won’t play the blaming game and point to when, where, and why she went in the direction she did, or even the persons and influences that contributed to her lifestyle, because doing so will not bring her back. All i can do is cherish the memories of the good times we shared and remember her in a positive manner. After all, Karen deserves that. It was bad enough she dealt with it in life, but damn, can she at least be free from it in her death.
    For the record, despite all the talk, i can confidently state that Karen was once one the most gorgeous women in Barbados (physical beauty and personality) and many persons, although they may deny and hide it now because they are too ashamed to admit it, were captivated by her qualities. This includes rich persons of many races and nationalities, politicians, and persons in high social standings. Maybe that was Karen’s curse… because she was extremely beautiful that so many older people wanted and lusted after her and ultimately took advantage of her and currupted her young innocent mind… for this, i will never forgive or forget them… and they know who they are.
    I am not going to get into a debate on here when the focus of this blog forum should be on positive aspects of her life and finding the culprit or culprits that committed this gruesome and heartless crime.

    ******************

    Comment by BFP Robert

    Dear Carlos,

    We at BFP are sorry for your loss and for all of those who loved Karen. If you or any of Karen’s family or friends would write a tribute and/or send us a photo of Karen as you remember her, we would be honoured to publish it in a closed forum (no comments) so the few who post inappropriately would not be able to spoil your tribute.

    BFP Robert

  78. Anonymous

    Its just so sad!!

  79. Hants

    Let us hope that this discussion on this blog shows Karen’s family that some of us view her as a fellow barbadian who deserved a longer and better life.

    Hopefully her children will be cared for in a manner that they can honour the best part of their mother’s life.

    Her family I am sure are doing the best they can and may they be blessed.

  80. Bajanboy

    To all of Karen’s Family and Friends:

    Pay no mind to the haters and gossipers here. Some Bajans are just like that and use the anonymity of blogs to spread their diseased thoughts.

  81. Yardbroom

    We have a free public forum.

    Sometimes it is useful to know it is free,
    but it is wise to acknowledge it is also “public.”

    My deepest sympathy to family and friends.

  82. BFP

    COMMENT FROM BFP ROBERT

    To Karen’s family and friends,

    We at BFP are sorry for your loss and for all of those who loved Karen. If you or any of Karen’s family or friends would write a tribute and/or send us a photo of Karen as you remember her, we would be honoured to publish it in a closed forum (no comments) so the few who post inappropriately would not be able to spoil your tribute.

    We will now be closing comments on this article.

    BFP Robert

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