BREAKING NEWS: Nets To Be Placed To Hold Feces Off Carlisle Bay Beaches – Cruise Ships Will Dump In Carlisle Bay!

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How Many Cruise Ships Will Dump How Many Tons Of Sewerage Into Carlisle Bay Each Night?

Last night on Best & Mason on 900AM, a query was made about what would happen with all of the sewerage from the yachts and cruise ships in for Cricket World Cup. That was hushed up as fast as you can say “oops” – but our little hummingbird tells us that the !@#$ really hit the fan this morning…

Minister of Health Dr. Jerome Walcott was livid today at a meeting and he tore such a piece out of the Environmental people that Walcott’s voice was heard through walls and the door.

Red Flag To Be Set For Carlisle Bay – Feces Nets To Be Installed

At the end of the meeting, it was resolved that a Red Flag will be set for Carlisle Bay, feces nets will be installed to keep all the yuck off the beach, and the dumping of the cruise ships’ sewerage will be coordinated so dumping times are staggered. Hopefully, this will keep the nets from being overwhelmed with turds and tampons.

Welcome to Cricket World Cup, Folks!

Ain’t nothin be free.

Photo: Brown’s Beach, Barbados – will really have an appropriate name during Cricket World Cup! Photo by a friend of Shona’s. Thanks!

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66 responses to “BREAKING NEWS: Nets To Be Placed To Hold Feces Off Carlisle Bay Beaches – Cruise Ships Will Dump In Carlisle Bay!

  1. akabozik

    No. They can’t. They won’t.

    No way.

    Tell us this is not true!

  2. 2kewl!

    Turds and Tampons

    That’s the name for my new DeathMetal band, dammit!

    Sooo cool – many thanks man

  3. EkoFreako

    No ship-borne sanitary disposal service exists in Barbados?
    If not, I smell a business opportunity for a service whereby a tender vessel ties up alongside for an hour or so,
    takes away the turds and tampons,
    dropping them the required 7-miles-or-more out to sea
    (attended by the Coast Guard to ensure correct distance from land)
    – and back in for another load!

    Such a nocturnal operation would be both unobtrusive and non-threatening to the shoreline.

  4. Rumplestilskin

    Hmmm. If this is true then..we have truly reached a new low.

    Carlisle Bay is after all, THE best beach in Barbados, long, smooth, can swim in parts and beautiful.

    So why do we ruin it so?

    Wha lawd, imagine de curry from de Carnival Destiny.

    Swimming in dat? Yuh made or whuh?

    Three hundred and sixteen million dollars for loadsa…..

    It’d be hilarious if it was not so sad.

  5. Rumplestilskin

    Can’t the ships offload the sewage by Port St.Charles?

    or it only be offloading where de poor people swim?

    On de nicest beach in Barbados?

  6. Anonymous

    The (several?) ships are not going to haul up anchor, to travel ten miles, to dump poo!

    When the agreements and contracts were being drawn up, several months ago, the cruise ships were happy to provide a stationary accommodation resource,
    knowingly oblivious of their requirement to dump waste matter(they don’t care)

    Cruise ships routinely dump their poo en route to Here and There, at night, in mid-ocean.

    Stuck in a port for (three?) days..even two nights,
    they still gotta dump poo(don’t we all!)
    and guess where? In situ!

    They are not going to haul up anchor to go out 7 miles, to dump and come back in, to moor up again.
    No-one thought of this when ordering up the floating hotels,
    but you can be sure it was in the minds of those who run/operate the cruisers.(they just didn’t say anything)!

    What a crappy situation. Eeeuuwww!

  7. Anonymous

    Don’t cruisers have holding tanks on board?
    what are International Health Laws on the subject of Marine Waste Disposal?

  8. bp

    Hey! What are you worrying about? The whole south coast dumps its 7 million gallons of raw untreated poop every day just one kilometre off carlisle bay!

  9. turds and tampons

    whats going on—within 5 or so stories we have scat festival and now this?

    This highlights the detailed thinking and action plan that our government has for the environment.

  10. BK

    wait correct me if I am wrong but isn’t the sea its own cleaning agent?

  11. Bajanboy

    This story is not true. All modern cruise ships have sophisticated sewage treatment plants on board, so at worst they will be dumping treated effulent. Of course, for the hundreds of yatchs to be anchored in Carlisle Bay, its another story. I heard they were going to have a mobile marine sewage boat to go around and collect the stuff.

  12. bajejun

    We could as well stop calling Barbados the Island in the sun and start calling it the Prostitute in the sun, because it seems that anything can be done to us in the name of making a dollar. As is the norm every prostitute has a pimp, guess who ? I say no more.

  13. BFP

    Bajanboy says…

    “This story is not true. All modern cruise ships have sophisticated sewage treatment plants on board, so at worst they will be dumping treated effluent.” (spelling corrected)

    Hi Bajanboy

    If by “treated” you mean truly treated as a ground-based sewerage processing plant would – you are wrong. At most, the cruise ships have a filter for “non-organics” and a centrifuge or grinder to liquefy the solids before everything is pumped overboard.

    But some of those cruise ships are not that new – and none were designed with sewerage holding capacities that would allow them to spend the entire time in harbour without either being emptied or dumped in situ.

    One of our sources says that tidal tables will also be taken into account to try and have a coordinated pump on the outflow.

    We actually had two independent sources on this story, so something is happening and something big and bad happened at the meeting with the Health Minister today.

    HEY DR. DUGUID… we know you’re here. How about it? Can you cast any light on what happened today at the Health Ministry?

  14. What does Ian Bourne have to say on this matter? Isn’t Sanitation PR his portfolio? Just because his department’s trucks don’t collect it, marine waste must fall somewhere within their purview.

  15. Bajanboy

    They should at least cruise a few miles offshore (like the three miles required in the US). I hope the government comes clean on what they propose. Dumping organic matter far ofshore probably has no serious effect on marine life (think how much crap fish excrete into the see each year), but I still would not want to be swimming in it. This whole situation stinks. I see a public relations nightmore developing.

  16. That is Coastal Zone Management Unit, sigh! Let’s see if we can get this straight, every piece of “litter” does not mean we clean or pick it up – **e.g.** Giant African Snails are Agriculture; Beach Litter is either Nat’l Conservation Commission or CZMU depending on if it’s in or out the water… Drains are the iffy part – some are SSA; some are NCC; while still others fall under MPT!

    There is a lot more but am too sleepy to recall now…

    So please consult the relevant folk for what you need to hear!

  17. Mike

    This is a big load of crap in truth.

  18. Observer

    Bajanboy: “This whole situation stinks”

    Well it certainly sounds like it has that potential.

  19. How about this for thought?

    When all the cruise ships leave, the turds and tampons that have been caught in the net be dumped on the government properties? [We certainly don’t want to leave all the turds in the ocean for weeks, do we now?]

    It would save the Ministers [P.M., Health, etc..] the cost of manure to fertilize their lawns. After all, isn’t that what the current Ministry members are about, cutting corners and selling out Bajan values?

  20. Bio

    Like all fecal matter, the natural tendency to decompose and return to nitrogenous earthly material is a quick one.
    Not to mention the fish having a simply yummy time!

    Tampons may take a little longer to decompose.
    I imagine they have a half-life (in saline)
    of about 2 weeks, tops.
    Don’t worry about it – it’s only a little poo.

    You should be a LOT more worried about what happens to the effluent you and I flush, every morning of life,
    into the islands Pleistocene coral cap – Our Aquifer –
    and how and why is doesn’t(somehow) get into the island’s ever-shrinking Potable Water table!!

    The sea is somewhat self-cleaning,
    given currents and detritus eaters,
    but our cumulative island-efflent problem is what keeps SSA employees up, til 4 a.m. !!

  21. Jerome Hinds

    Hmmm. If this is true…… then after CWC we will have to rename that area…..Car – loo Bay….!!!!

    Despite some obvious positives, this story maybe another example of the… s^^t…. the hosting of this event may potential dump on our evironment.

    Let’s all hope this story does not turn out as stink as it sounds….!!!

  22. “Bio” has a point that our decomposable effluent is not the long term problem, its the plastics that do not decompose and have our oceans at saturation point already. Ocean sailors will confirm that.

    Judging from what happens when tampons clog a toilet (which is not infrequent in staff toilets) it will take many moons for that type of item to decompose.

    Its the tetrapacs and plastic bags that will still be choking fish thirty years from now that will give us an unhappy reminder of CWC.

    But I think we do not give enough credit to modern day cruise ships for disposing of their waste efficiently, there has been so much of an outcry about it internationally. Even today’s yachts have self-contained non-polluting toilets (like “portapotties”).

    No cruise ship that dumps its waste within our territorial waters should be allowed back, and I believe this is a condition of their visits. Can anyone confirm this?

  23. Jerome Hinds

    greengage , says ,

    ” No cruise ship that dumps its waste within our territorial waters should be allowed back, and I believe this is a condition of their visits. Can anyone confirm this ” ?

    Really……… Greengage…..???… with US $ 15 million of Bajan taxpayers hardearned money sailing……….why would you want to put an end to my …….CARNIVAL…&….DESTINY….???

    Wha after all, we want to come back for some more from the BLP trough….!!!!

    Don’t try to LYNCH….muh…so…..!!!

  24. Brown’s beach is one of the best if not the best beach on the island. This is reprehensible

  25. Dont Panic

    Nobody above has factored in that for 99.9% of the time, the current in Carlisle Bay pulls WEST (that is away from the shore and out to sea) This is the reason why the untreated sewage (millions of gallons per day) that the South coast sewage system has been pumping into Carlisle Bay through the pipe that comes down highway 7 through between the Army and Light and Power and across the Hilton’s lawn and out to sea for some 3 or 4 years now has not affected the shoreline. The other matter is the Bridgetown system ,supposedly treated , but as a little birdy says, regularly dumped into the sea very close to Trevors Way untreated when the system malfunctions.— Worry about the big cruise ships, but don”t worry about the little poo that the visiting yachts will discharge into the Bay, nature and prevailing currents will take care of that like it has done for the untold millions of gallons of the UNTREATED sewage from the South Coast. The day will no doubt come when mother nature will bring an opposite current, — and then Standby for the Bajan crisis management system to kick in—-MAYBE–.

  26. John

    Carlisle Bay is notorious for causing ear infections.

    It may be pretty to look at but you swim at your risk!!

    Take a look at Google Earth and zero in on the dense “development” just inland from it.

    The simple solution is don’t go for a swim in Carlisle Bay, cruise ships or no cruise ships.

    I was told a while back that the dirtiest water was off Pebble, by the Pot, and Folkestone Park … but that was years ago, perhaps as much as a decade, when Mobil operated.

    With all the development which has taken place I figure that other places may surpass them by now.

    Me, I just keep out of the sea. ………. but the same processes occur inland and have the potential to affect our drinking water. There will come a time when …… shudder to think about it.

  27. Allan

    Is Barbados a signature to the Law of the sea? and if so surely cruise ships are not allowed to dump while berthed, certainly in Alaska they aren’t.

  28. Bio

    cut and paste..

    found it at..
    http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/1994/94JC01410.shtml

    ____________________
    Abstract

    Results are presented of two oceanographic surveys of the coastal waters surrounding Barbados, West Indies, during April and May of 1990 and 1991.
    In both years, observations of the hydrographic structure were made with a dense grid of conductivity-temperature-depth stations over the upper 500 m of the water column.
    Acoustic Doppler current profiler (ADCP) measurements of currents in the upper 250 m were made on radial transects from the island during three short surveys in each year.
    One fixed mooring was deployed south of the island for the duration of each cruise.
    Results from both years showed the circulation to be energetic, highly variable over short timescales, and sometimes flowing contrary to historical means.
    Surface ADCP and geostrophic flow patterns during 1990 suggested that the Barbados ridge, north of the island, played an important role in steering the circulation north of the island.
    The sudden reversal of the current south of the island between legs 1 and 2 of 1990, coupled with the presence of low-salinity surface water, suggested we may have witnessed an encounter between the island and the northern edge of a thin (less than 35 m) mesoscale pool of Brazilian Current retroflexion region origin.
    On the other hand, in 1991, several eddies, both cyclonic and anticyclonic, were observed near the island,
    suggesting the possibility of shedding of Von Karman type eddies from the island.
    © American Geophysical Union 1994

  29. reality check

    Bio

    please translate what all these varying flows mean for me contained in the abstract or study. How does this relate to moving the sewage we dispose of away from the island and are we just moving the pollution to somewhere else or will nature utilize it in its various processes?

  30. Bajan George

    The Barbados Marine Pollution Control act of 2006 may have specific details, but I was unable to download it from the Caricomlaw website.

    This is what I was trying to access:

    Click to access Marine%20Pollution%20Control.pdf

    In the 1980’s and 1990’s the University of the West Indies performed a number of related studies on ocean currents which were used to calculate hypothetical offshore sewage plume direction and dispersal rates. In turn this information was used to engineer the South Coast Sewage outfall at Needham’s Point. Coastal Zone Management Unit has a full library of these documents.

  31. Jerome H- I certainly don’t want to end your destiny, nor spoil your Carnival, merely make sure all cruise ships do not dump their refuse while in the harbour or within 12 miles of our coast. Even out that far seems wrong, but they can’t take it all back to Miami, I guess.

    Bio’s complex geophysical blurb was over my head, but reminded me that with Global Warming there is a distinct possiblity the Gulf Stream will stop or be diverted. This could play havoc with ocean currents. What has flowed west in the past for Barbados might flow east in future!

  32. Linch

    As a Linch without blarney (which is like playing Hamlet without the Prince) I’ll say, simply that what we are hearing confirms that CWC 2007 really is a lot of crap.

    At least the people who live in Emmerton will have some comfort that there is still some equity in Barbados. Me, I shall stick to my swimming pool and hope that I don’t “slow poison” myself.

  33. T

    And I will stick to my shower and keep praying.

  34. Wishing in Vain

    If there is any truth to this story and the facts are that these ships do not in actual fact have any methods of onboard sewage treatment systems it begs the question are we doing the right thing to encourage these large ships and the volume of ships into this region to pollute our prestine waters.
    Smaller vessels which are privately owned have sewage treatment plants onboard them, why then would these multi Billion dollars vessels not have the same? why maybe it cost money and is cheaper to dump their crap in our clean crystal clear waters.

  35. Jack 82

    Our pristine waters? Where would those be then?

  36. bp

    Check this out!

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/202830_cruiseship08.html

    Here is an excerpt:
    ANCHORAGE, Alaska — A Seattle-based cruise ship company will plead guilty to discharging 20,000 gallons of untreated sewage from one of its ships while docked in Juneau harbor, the U.S. Attorney’s Office said yesterday.

    In addition to paying $200,000 in fines and $500,000 in restitution, Holland America Line Cruise Ships will spend $1.3 million on a plan to prevent a similar accident.

    The company also will be placed on three years’ probation after the plea agreement is signed Monday in federal court.

    “It was a mistake and shouldn’t have happened,” company spokeswoman Rose Abello said. “We apologize and we admit it and we are sorry, and we have taken significant measures to make sure it doesn’t happen again.”

    The 700-foot Ryndam is equipped with an advanced wastewater treatment system. The problem arose aboard the 1,258- passenger ship Aug. 17, 2002, and was compounded when the crew ignored audible and visual alarms activated when a sewage tank approached maximum capacity.

  37. bp

    Or this article:

    Click to access cruiseshipfaqs_factsheet.pdf

    Q. Why are Oceana and other environmental organizations singling out cruise ship corporations to address
    ocean pollution problems when so many other types of ships contribute to pollution, such as oil tankers?
    A. Each cruise ship needlessly dumps 30,000 gallons of sewage and 255,000 gallons of dirty water generated
    by laundries, showers, sinks and dishwashers containing bacteria and viruses into our oceans every day they
    are at sea. They also cause other environmental problems, polluting the air, and dumping oil and other toxic
    chemicals into the ocean. They are the only type of vessel whose cargo is thousands of people. Most
    importantly, waste from cruise ships is 100 percent preventable.
    Q. Is it really true that cruise ships dump sewage in the ocean? Is it raw sewage and isn’t that against the
    law?
    A. Cruise ships dump both raw and “treated” sewage into the ocean and it is not illegal because they are
    exempt from the U.S. Clean Water Act’s discharge permit program. While some sewage is “treated,” it is not
    necessarily clean. It can still contain bacteria, pathogens and harmful nutrients. Such waste can be dumped
    just about anywhere in the ocean, except in Alaska, and raw sewage can be legally dumped once the ship is
    three miles from shore. Cruise line companies must take responsibility for keeping their waste out of our
    oceans.
    Q. Is pollution from cruise ships really going to harm marine life?
    A. Sewage carries bacteria and viruses that are harmful to humans, and it also can sicken and kill marine life
    including corals. It also carries the pollutants nitrogen and phosphorus, which contribute to algae blooms that
    cloud the water and in some cases kill fish. Oil, which is also released from cruise ships, is a very toxic
    substance that does tremendous damage to marine life. Finally, marine debris, or trash, strangles, starves and
    even kills marine animals such as sea turtles and birds. Plastic bags, for example, can be mistaken for food
    and eaten by sea turtles. The plastic fills their stomachs, and causes difficulty with digestion and loss of
    appetite. Since it provides no nourishment, such plastic debris can lead to starvation. No systematic studies
    have been done to demonstrate that cruise ship sewage is safe for marine life. We do know that sewage
    harms marine life, including coral reefs, regardless of where it comes from. Since cruise ships travel to some
    of our most pristine ocean areas, and passengers are taken to swim and snorkel on nearby coral reefs,
    companies should do everything in their power to avoid harming these delicate and disappearing marine
    species.

  38. Mike

    This should be a retricted zone of operation whereby only X number of shim are allowed to operate in a season soon as not to overload our sea resources wilth high levels of pollution from these vultures called cruise ships. Lynch are you awake to this or are you so indebted to Carnival you are forced to turn a blind eye?or are you willing to use your muscle?

  39. Of course there must be strict laws to protect our environment, marine and otherwise, and they must be rigidly enforced.

    But like it or not Tourism, whether of cruise day visitors, hotel longstays for a week, or villa owners for a few months, is the business we are in, like it or not.

    There is no future for us in sugar, only a past. But we are making good money out of tourism, and the world envies us.

    It’s only a question of handling matters right and we can continue to prosper without destroying our island and it indigenous culture. The tourists are transients, soon gone, leaving behind enough for the downpayment for the next SUV.

  40. T

    pandora wake up!

  41. T- I’m awake, (but we’re on another thread at the same time).

    If you disagree that tourism is our only economic future, please enlighten us what the alternative is.

    Now back to the other thread.

  42. What about IT? Is the ‘Net what we communicate on right now? Is that not what Lynette Eastmond sees as the future; have not Bajan inventors sold software to Irish companies?

    Apart from that, sugar is not totally dead – either we make it exclusively for ourselves or try to export some to the USA.

    We used to export to them years ago until Errol Barrow slapped Reagan, then shipments were cut to nil overnight (tried telling that to Elombe on the radio years ago, but he didn’t wanna hear me)!

    Now we are in a kinder, gentler different era [sic] how about we extend some feelers to try that way again? Can it hurt??

  43. John

    pandora

    It is manufacturing and services.

    Long stay tourist arrivals are capped because of the limited resources of the island. It is like having guests to visit you in your home. Just so many is enough. After that limit, you shout go home!!

    There is scope for growth in the cruise arrivals but then again …..!!!

    I don’t think tourism has much future as a growth industry. Right now it is about managing what we have and maximising what returns we can get from our visitors by supplying products and services whih they are happy to purchase. …. back to manufacturing!!

    So apart from selling our land, which is also kind of dead end, or building houses, also kind of dead end, manufacturing holds the key to our furure……. and sugar is a manufactured product.

  44. John

    …. and my understanding of what Adrian Loveridge is saying is that slightly over 50% of our hotel rooms are unoccupied over the period of a year. One explanation is that long stay tourist arrivals are down. I think he is saying that too.

    We are not doing a very good job managing what we have!!

    Instead we are looking to all sorts of diversification into golf course, condos, gated communities etc which we really cannot afford when the basic problem may be that our tourist arrivals are down.

    Are our tourist arrivals down, by how much, and why?

  45. insider

    “So apart from selling our land, which is also kind of dead end”

    John surely it depends how many times the same lawyer sells the same land to another person when it belongs to someone else, doesn’t it?

  46. John

    Insider

    Lowdown’s strategy is that every so often we nationalise the land that we have sold to foreigners and then sell it again. This would get around the dead end nature of this enterprise.

    But yes, I suppose if lawyers do this sort of thing too then we may not have to nationalise which after all, is a touchy subject.

    All we need to do is just produce more lawyers.

  47. Adrian Loveridge

    John… nail on the head.

    Yes! in 2004, our last ‘record’ year for visitor arrivals, the Barbados Statistical Service resported that our registered hotels, guest houses and apartments recorded an annual occupancy rate of just 49.7%. Against an industry average in the Caribbean in excess of 65%.
    If ‘we’ were doing so well, why would ‘we’ bring back the Best of Barbados programme for a sixth consecutive year.

    Compare the following, based on a average 7 night night stay with two persons sharing a room in US$.
    Room rate US$100.

    Example ONE (Best of Barbados)

    First night free and 6 nights at $100 = $600
    Daily complimentary breakfast, 50% discount on activities.

    LESS US$200 per person taxpayer airline subsidy.

    NET revenue to the country = US$100 per person

    Example TWO (Direct booking)

    7 nights at $100 = $700
    7 paying breakfasts at $15 per person per day = $210

    NET revenue to the country = $455 per person.

    NET revenue comparision

    50,000 ‘Best of Barbados’ visitors = $5 million

    50,000 Direct Booking visitors = $22.75 million

    Is this good management of our resources?

  48. John

    Thanks Adrian.

    I understand what you are saying.

    I agree.

    I think we are just messing around with our country trying this that and the other to solve an underlying problem we will not admit exists.

    Owen calls it Entrepreneurial Government.

  49. Ian Bourne says “sugar is not totally dead”.

    When it costs us twice the world price of sugar to produce it, and the only reason we have export sales is sheer charity, a legacy of our colonial past, I don’t know how anyone can say that is “alive.” It is a corpse on an artificial life support system.

    As a longtime sugar island we are loth to face the fact that SUGAR IS DEAD. We have to find alternative crops, but are still hanging on to the hope that by some miracle, sugar will be viable again. No way.

    Growing cane as a fuel for power production is equally futile. It is one thing to burn bagasse waste in sugar factory boilers when you are producing sugar, but to grow it for electricity generation can never be economic.

    As for manufacturing and services as John suggests, they are both useful in a marginal way. Neither offer the prospects of large scale employment to compare with hotel tourism and its collateral aspects e.g. taxis, restaurants etc.

    Unfortunately our workers have been treated so generously that the labour factor in our cost of production in manufacturing makes it non-competitive.

    People may forget that the largest employer in Barbados (outside sugar and Govt) was Intel’s electronics factory which has morphed into Sheraton Mall. We proved that we could produce highly technical electronic ware to Intel’s satisfaction. Cargo planes coame down daily with loads of parts which went back filled with finished goods. The reason the factory was closed down was because the tax waiver they had been given for 10 years was not extended. Since then, however, local wages have risen so that an Intel could never be repeated.

    True we can produce some items like Worcester sauce and confectionary cheap enough to compete with imports. But the great majority of items can be imported at a substantial discount to what it would cost to make here. That is merely Import Substitution- valuable in its way. But as for export, with certain exceptions like brand name Rum, we are at a disadvantage not only with high labour costs, but shipping anything from Barbados to an export market adds a cost which makes it uncompetitive. The raw materials for most goods have to be imported in the first place, another prohibitory cost.

    Pepper sauce? Ours is no better than any other Caribbean island can make, and there is a limit to the international market.

    Any way you look at it, Tourism is our bread and butter and will continue to be so long as we can hang on to it. If we face that reality we will only then come to terms with accepting tourists here with gratitude rather than resentment because they are more prosperous and whiter than we are.

    As has been said elsewhere we can protect our island’s culture and environment from the eroding influence of foreigners. They are prepared to pay a premium to share our paradise. We can and must guide them into our standards e.g. on accessibility of beaches etc.

    But delusions that we can find an alternative to tourism will only delay our efforts to improve our Tourist Product. Cuba is lurking on the horizon as a competitor much more accessible to North America. We could easily see a decline in tourism earnings if we are not careful.

  50. John

    bystander

    You are missing the point. Growth in Tourism arrivals is capped by the finite resources of the island.

    In addition, the arrivals seem to have been in a steady state of decline for many years.

    We really do not have any choices left but to go and look at what worked for us before and figure out how to make it work again.

    What on earth are we spending resources widening the ABC highway when we should really be looking at reducing the number of cars on the road?

  51. T

    Tourism is too fragile a basket for us to put all our eggs in.

    Bystander and John both of you have omitted to speak to the drug trade, money laundering and the offshore sector in Barbados. What are these worth to Barbados?

  52. BK

    Sugar is not dead if we consider that the byproducts do fetch top dollar. We need to get creative and not be afraid to break the mould.

  53. David

    Why don’t the land-holders plant fruit bearing trees: like mango, breadfruit, golden apple, mammie apple, star fruit, cherry, and guava? They don’t require huge maintenance, and are a better investment than cow-itch.

    Why not buy a big lawn mower and use the grass around the trees to feed livestock like the hardy black-belly sheep, or even let the sheep live around the trees? You hardly have to feed them much feed, or so it is said. Hotels could be proud to serve it, and the fruits of the land.

    Where are the incentives to do these things, that would take 5-10 years to materialise, but at that point could make Barbados a surplus of organic production off the land, and a bread basket of cheaper food, and an exporter of produce, if planned well?

    Why can’t we simply tell the cruise ships to go out at night and dump offshore? Who would be responsible to cause this to happen? When will they come on line and confirm this will be the case?

  54. John-
    “go back into sugar,” “reduce the number of cars”? I only wish… but you can’t turn back the clock.

    I am not convinced that just because there has been a decline in tourist arrivals this indicates that Tourism has already capped out. Various causes have been suggested including the impact of 9/11 and international terrorism.

    Adrian L. has pointed out that on average only half our hotel beds are filled, and that 18 (?) hotels have closed down. Moreover there are fewer airlines coming here on a regular basis. We lost PanAm, Eastern and others, partially offset by Virgin & charter flights. If more airlines came back and even our remaining hotels were better filled, let alone new ones, I think there could be a decent increase in tourists arrivals.

    I recall the days when the hotels closed down for the summer. Only Ocean View had its “Perms” reclining out on the front verandah. We are now a 12-month destination and have spare capacity.

    Cruise ship arrivals may vary, but Caribbean cruises are a growth area and Barbados is very much en route. (Mediterranean cruises, in contrast have a poor future being a terrorist neighbourhood)

    Villas is also a growth market, like it or not.

    But even if Tourism is not much of a growth area for us it is still so important in terms of employment and income, that even if it stays anywhere near what it is, it will still be the giant dominating our livelihood which Services or Manufacturing cannot approach.

  55. John

    bystander

    “Adrian L. has pointed out that on average only half our hotel beds are filled, and that 18 (?) hotels have closed down. Moreover there are fewer airlines coming here on a regular basis. We lost PanAm, Eastern and others, partially offset by Virgin & charter flights. If more airlines came back and even our remaining hotels were better filled, let alone new ones, I think there could be a decent increase in tourists arrivals.”

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    Why did airlines leave?

    They went bankrupt and ceased to exist.

    How do we get more airlines to comeback?

    We don’t. It’s the tourists who create the business opportunity for airlines to take and make a dollar.

    Basic question remains. Why have tourist arrivals fallen? …. and it isn’t because the airlines have stopped coming to Barbados.

    “People may forget that the largest employer in Barbados (outside sugar and Govt) was Intel’s electronics factory which has morphed into Sheraton Mall. We proved that we could produce highly technical electronic ware to Intel’s satisfaction. Cargo planes coame down daily with loads of parts which went back filled with finished goods. The reason the factory was closed down was because the tax waiver they had been given for 10 years was not extended. Since then, however, local wages have risen so that an Intel could never be repeated.”

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    I find it unbelievable that the renewal of a tax holiday would cause cause Intel to leave.

    Firstly, we now have the offshore “industry” where taxes are extremely low and which attracts businesses, some on the level, some shady, to Barbados. The employment they create cannot be significant. These businesses are on a permanent tax holiday.

    I do not believe that any government in its right senses would allow a manufacturing operation employing over 1000 people, which paid its import and consumption taxes, NIS, etc. etc. to leave without extending or modifying the tax holiday in some mutually agreeable way.

    Right now we have one room shows which only need a computer and telephone connection to operate getting unlimited tax holidays!!

    Second, check google earth and measure the area of the site Sheraton is on. It is about 10 acres. The jobs created on one acre is thus about 100.

    Compare Westmoreland on 500 acres and employing directly perhaps 300 people, certainly not 50 times 100 people directly if it were compared to Intel’s direct employment.

    Then think of the types of jobs created by Intel and those created by Westmoreland. Intel no doubt had its share of maids and gardeners, but compared with Westmoreland, …. well there can be no comparison.

    Finally, think about the taxfree concession given Intel and compare it with the concessions given Westmoreland. Check the letter William Duguid made available that specified the concessions Westmoreland got.

    …… and after 10 years, like Intel, the Rooney family moved on. They sold their shares to another developer for $100 million having for the previous 10 years benefited from the concessions given by Government. They really cleaned up.

    Intel would have had severance to pay, but most importantly, it would have provided training and experience which it is unlikely any job at Westmoreland could match.

    ….. and that is without even considering the load Westmoreland put on the water supply.

    Yet we have Sandy Lane, Apes Hill and the possibility of Bushy Park.

    The thinking that takes us down such a path is strictly dead end.

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  57. Wishing in Vain

    MV Barney Lynch, MV Mia, MV Owing, MV Billie, MV Liz, MV Glyne, MV Jerome.
    Let me tell you something here if we do have 700 yachts in Barbados over this period stay far away from the coastal waters of this island as none of these pleasure yachts of this size will have sewage treatment processes nor do we offer the service of pumping the raw sewage for yachts in Barbados therefore they will be depositing whatever sewage directly into our waters daily for the duration of their stay.
    In other places there is the facility to dock and then use the dock services of pumping the holding tanks clean and then the raw sewage is discharged on shore not so in the case of Barbados there are no pumping facilities in Barbados neither at the Bridgetown Port or at Port St.Charles hence the need to discharge at sea and chances are that these yachts with limited docking space are not going to be moving an inch to discharge 5 miles offshore and then return to fight for a space to anchor, it just is not about to happen once they pick up an anchoring spot that will be their home for the duration of the world cup.
    Looks to me that we have come up short in this department as well and now we find ourselves in deep s___ because of our lack of planning and carelessness.

  58. Wishing in Vain

    February 27th, 2007 at 7:19 pm
    Folks did any of you see todays Nation newspaper where there is a front page story about the arrival of the Scotish cricket team much to my utter disgust here we have in a peaceful fun loving place like Barbados we are now being potrayed as gun bearing louts on high alert for a terrorist attack at our airport, could this not have been enforced more discretely and with a less in your face approach after all we all know that the gov’t can afford to buy guns they do not need to advertise that on the front page of the daily paper.
    To hell with the fun in the sea and the sun approach to tourism now welcome to Barbados where as you walk outside the airport your security will be taken care of by the armed guards standing outside the doorway they are there to prevent any bombs, snipers or groggist attacking you.
    This picture is a sad reflection as to where the cricket world cup organisers have stooped to carry out the wishes of the ones in dark suits.

  59. Harbhajan

    Wishing in Vain , says ,

    ” MV Barney Lynch, MV Mia, MV Owing, MV Billie, MV Liz, MV Glyne, MV Jerome ”

    —————————————————————

    Wishing in Vain , the MV Jerome you refer to above, is it our pal Jerome Hinds or the Minister of Health ?

    Wha loss wat pun SPIN…..

  60. Wishing in Vain

    No Walcott the backward ( in more ways than one)man from the hospitial.

  61. fred 01/03/07

    As a bajan living oversees,I can’t help but chuckle at some of the good comments I have read.Its about time we had a website like this.What took you guys so long.?I have been saying that for years.
    I come to B,dos every year and I point out areas where improvement could be made,but everyone thinks you come showing off,not realizing what we tell them is what we learn from the white man.They seem to want to hear it from the white.man himself,even though the white man might have just escape from prison.Thats what education and colonialism does for you.
    As far as the Cruise Ships and the sewage is concern,try doing a google search in Miami for the E.P.A which is the Enviromental protection Agency,and they will be able to give you all the information you need.Welcome to the turds.
    All the best from North America.

  62. Joe

    A racist comment is where one can substitute other adjectives and come up with a different feeling. Try substituting in the above post, “black”. A lot of **”white/black” people read and use this blog.

    (**insert your own descriptive, possibly racist adjective here).

  63. Joe

    And furthermore…to Rumple on Feb 22: substitute “black” for “indian” and some “local ethnic food”, yourchoice, instead of “curry” – see where that gets you!!

    How would you feel if someone said that about you??? Is it any wonder we need to sell tickets for the finals? That would be partly your fault.

    While the two of you may be trying to think about how to further insult and demean humans, I have taken a few minutes of valuable time, and have been to the cruise ship schedule:

    The only boat that is going to be docking here in the Port for more than 2 days running is the Carnival Destiny. All the other boats will be in port no more than 2 days, and one would therefore think that the hoilding tanks would be sufficient to get them through that time.

    As for Carnival Destiny, it would be of interest for someone, possiblt the BFP to contact the Barbados Port Authority and clarify whether it will be going off at night to dump its load, or whether it has sufficient holding capacity.

    Secondly, we await the Port Authority on word re holding tanks in Barbados. This is law in some of the islands; but I do not believe that we have the law here yet. Perhaps we Bajans could agree on something before we start with elections, and push this through in a sitting of the house?

    That is good and proper business.

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