Should Barbados Allow Saudi Arabia To Fund Local Mosques and Islamic Schools?

“What would we on Barbados do if a so-called “Christian” Missionary now started to preach that slavery was ordained by God?

Would we accept them and their ideas into our society? Would we reason with them? Would we show them the errors of their ways, the evil of their beliefs?

Would we allow their textbooks to be used to teach Bajan children?”

UPDATE: June 30, 2010

We’ll be running a few articles in the next few weeks about Islam’s position on slavery, women’s rights and freedom of religion. This article was first published on BFP in 2007 and is worth another look as we take some time to once again consider what the most respected Islamic scholars say about their religion.

Original article first published February 9, 2007…

If A “Christian” Missionary Arrived Today And Said That Slavery Was Ordained By God – What Would Barbados Do?

Missionaries and other folks have been coming to Barbados and trying to convert others to their various faiths since the earliest times. Some have been good people representing mainstream religions and some have been good people representing less popular religions.

We’ve also had our share of bad people – who did evil while professing to represent good. Some came from across the ocean and some were born Bajan. Not all preacher folks who came from abroad were bad, and not all the religious leaders born in Barbados had good in their souls.

We’ve seen some organized religions change their actions and interpretations of their scriptures. We’ve even seen some religions change their holy scriptures to comply with current values and history (which is a different topic for another day).

The Anglican Church Used To Own Slaves On Barbados

God knows the evil that was done in His name on this little island. The money to purchase the lands and the slaves was initially sent from England, and many Barbadian slaves were at one time branded like cattle – burned – with hot irons with the name of the religious organization that owned them. “Society” was the brand applied at the church-owned Coddrington Plantation.

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Many of the men and women who owned and branded my ancestors called themselves good Christians

– and perhaps even believed in their hearts that they were good Christians. Are they in Heaven or Hell? I’ll leave that to God. As Auntie Moses likes to remind her children – the bible says that some folks who enter Heaven are going to be powerfully surprised at who is there, and who is not.

Christians Worked To Change Hearts and Their Laws

Over time, good people changed their understanding of their religions, and changed the practices of their religions. This did not happen overnight and neither was it a smooth or peaceful process. Before Christian governments worldwide outlawed slavery there was much work, failure and suffering by many as they sought to change their fellow Christians’ views and the laws of their counties.

Today, people’s understanding of what it is to be a Christian means that any person who supported slavery now would be shunned by Christians. A slave owner today who dared to call themself a “Christian” would be taken to task immediately by Christians.

What would we on Barbados do if a so-called “Christian” Missionary now started to preach that slavery was ordained by God?

Would we accept them and their ideas into our society? Would we reason with them? Would we show them the errors of their ways, the evil of their beliefs?

Would we allow their textbooks to be used to teach Bajan children?

Barbados Mosques Use Saudi Text Books

Saudi Arabia has poured billions into spreading the message of Islam throughout the world, and the Barbados Muslim community has not been exempt from this funding – nor from receiving the educational texts and other teaching and religious supplies from the Saudi Ministry of Education.

These texts and other teaching supplies are being used at the Al-Hudaa Muslim School, the Islamic Teaching Centre, Makki Masjid and other places of Islamic education and worship in Barbados – to teach the children of Barbados citizens and others of their faith in Barbados.

Saudi-Supplied Children’s Textbooks: Christians are “Pigs”, Jews are “Apes”

Mosques and Islamic schools all over the world use materials supplied by the Saudi Ministry of Education and other sources at the centre of Islamic thought. That’s only natural seeing as how Saudi Arabia views itself as the birthplace and centre of Islamic thought. (Note to our Persian friends – we’re well aware of your views about part of that statement, but I’m sure you will understand that we are only repeating the Saudi attitudes.)

There is one big concern though that has surfaced dozens of times worldwide as non-Muslim citizens of various countries become familar with the Saudi textbooks being used to educate children around the world…

Many of the most widely distributed Saudi texts and teaching materials extol lessons and information that are completely at odds with the values and attitudes of modern societies. These educational materials teach children the Saudi Wahabbi message that Christians are “pigs” and Jews are “apes” and that non-Muslim religions are “worthless”.

Similarly, many Saudi-produced “educational” television programmes are supplied to schools and mosques via DVD and satellite. In the next while, Barbados Free Press will be linking to some of these programmes, and we can assure our readers that they will be shocked at the “educational” materials that are being supplied to Islamic schools around the world.

British Educational Inspectors Taken To Task For Failing To Vet Saudi Educational Materials

Today, the latest in a long series of worldwide exposes and scandals about Saudi-supplied religious “educational” materials is taking place in the UK where the principal of an Islamic school is refusing to withdraw materials that describe Jews as “apes” and Christians as “pigs”.

While the content and source of the books at this school is no longer shocking the public – who are growing far more aware of the situation with each passing story – the focus is shifting to the Educational Inspectors whose job it is to ensure that British educational institutions are teaching within the laws of the land, and meeting the approved academic standards.

Which brings us to those Saudi-supplied “educational” materials being used to teach children in Barbados…

We would ask if Barbados educational authorities have reviewed the materials and curriculum being used to teach Muslim children – but thanks to a letter from a reader, we believe that we already have the answer: “No”

Folks, its time to start asking questions about how we all want to live together in Barbados – and to remind our elected and appointed officials that they have a duty to ensure the quality and content of the education being given to all our children.

Here is an Evening Standard article on the situation in the British school that is at the center of this week’s scandal. Next week, it will be another school in some other jurisdiction…

We do use books that call Jews ‘apes’ admits head of Islamic school

The principal of an Islamic school has admitted that it uses textbooks which describe Jews as “apes” and Christians as “pigs” and has refused to withdraw them.

Dr Sumaya Alyusuf confirmed that the offending books exist after former teacher Colin Cook, 57, alleged that children as young as five are taught from racist materials at the King Fahd Academy in Acton.

In an interview on BBC2’s Newsnight, Dr Alyusuf was asked by Jeremy Paxman whether she recognised the books.

She said: “Yes, I do recognise these books, of course. We have these books in our school. These books have good chapters that can be used by the teachers. It depends on the objectives the teacher wants to achieve.”

In another exchange, Dr Alyusuf insisted the books should not be scrapped, saying that allegedly racist sections had been “misinterpreted”.

The school is owned, funded and run by the government of Saudi Arabia. Mr Paxman asked: “Will you now remove this nonsense from the Saudi Ministry of Education from your school?”

Dr Alyusuf replied: “Just to reiterate what I said earlier, there are chapters from these books that are used and that will serve our objectives. But we don’t teach hatred towards Judaism or Christianity – on the contrary.”

During the programme Louise Ellman, MP for Liverpool Riverside and chairman of the Jewish Labour Movement, accused the school of inciting racial hatred and hit out at Ofsted inspectors for failing to discover the textbooks. She said: “This whole situation is unacceptable. It is incitement. It is part of a deliberate Saudi initiative to install Wahabbism extremism among Muslims and in the rest of society. If Ofsted has not drawn attention to this, that is a failing of Ofsted.

… continue reading this article at the Evening Standard (link here)

… and here is a second article: Saudi-backed school “taught racism”

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75 responses to “Should Barbados Allow Saudi Arabia To Fund Local Mosques and Islamic Schools?

  1. This is a very well written article, informing the Bajans about the Saudi’s educational methods. Indeed the power of the written word has sparken a lot of controversies all over the world and only by educating each other the cause and effect of such words, will we as a member of the human race learn to grow.

    I applause the Bajans for raising awareness to such teaching methods. The world has moved on and ancient words have crumbled away into dust. Bajans know all too well what violence can do to the island, and must work together as a unified voice to ensure the Bajan way of life is peaceful which means educating that hatred is not part of peace.

  2. reality check

    as the violence from the new brand of “jihadism” increases in the world, as taught by the Saudi sponsored wahabi sect, it will become more and more evident that we have sold our souls for oil and cheap energy.

    This means our leaders have turned a blind eye, to the propogation of hate by these violent and non-democratic regimes.

    Aside from exposing and purging the hate mongers from our midst, we must do everything humanly possible to use our god given intelligence and ingenuity to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels and these dictatorships. This is a long term process but needs to be consistent and determined.

    Perhaps, we could start in our own country with a regime that is increasingly dictatorial and accountable to no one. It is not an accident that the BLP is attracted to the likes of Chavez, Fidel and the Communist Chinese.

  3. blahblahblah

    yawn yawn yawn. the great islamic conspiracy to take over little barbados.
    most muslims in barbados are of indian descent and follow a group that originated in india- tablighi jamaat- and preaches a very non-political message centering on spiritual reform. ask any of them what they think of wahhabis and they will reply that wahhabis are heretics. it is highly unlikely that they will be using saudi material when they follow quite a different school of thought.

  4. blahblahblah

    bfp how do you account for the monumental increase in the numbers of muslims especially through conversion in north america and europe, despite all the negatives that are highlighted about the religion? women are converting in huge numbers and not just latin and black women in the us but white educated professional women in both europe and the us. how do we address this problem?

  5. Justice

    Was in depth research done before writing this spiel? There are fundamentalist Muslims as there are fundamentalist Christians. Are our local Muslims fundamentalist? Is any assertion in a textbook taken for granted or is it discussed, analysed and assessed for value first? Relax, BFP. The West continues with its centuries-old fantasy of world domination by someone…or other

  6. akabozik

    “There are fundamentalist Muslims as there are fundamentalist Christians.” says Justice.

    There is zero equivalency between “fundamentalist” Christians and fundamentalist Muslims. Zero.

    That comparison doesn’t wash.

  7. akabozik

    To blahblahblah –

    A short Yahoo search shows much information connecting the Tablighi Jamaat sect with acts of violence and terrorism. I’m afraid that your information has not calmed my concerns:

    I found this online with references here.

    http://www.meforum.org/article/686

    Tablighi Jamaat has long been directly involved in the sponsorship of terrorist groups. Pakistani and Indian observers believe, for instance, that Tablighi Jamaat was instrumental in founding Harakat ul-Mujahideen. Founded at Raiwind in 1980, almost all of the Harakat ul-Mujahideen’s original members were Tablighis.

    Famous for the December 1998 hijacking of an Air India passenger jet and the May 8, 2002 murder of a busload of French engineers in Karachi, Harakat members make no secret of their ties. “The two organizations together make up a truly international network of genuine jihadi Muslims,” one senior Harakat ul-Mujahideen official said.[15]

    More than 6,000 Tablighis have trained in Harakat ul-Mujahideen camps. Many fought in Afghanistan in the 1980s and readily joined Al-Qaeda after the Taliban defeated Afghanistan’s anti-Soviet mujahideen.[16]

    Another violent Tablighi Jamaat spin-off is the Harakat ul-Jihad-i Islami.[17] Founded in the aftermath of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, this group has been active not only in the disputed Indian provinces of Jammu and Kashmir but also in the state of Gujarat, where Tablighi Jamaat extremists have taken over perhaps 80 percent of the mosques previously run by the moderate Barelvi Muslims.[18]

    The Tablighi movement is also very active in northern Africa where it became one of the four groups that founded the Islamic Salvation Front in Algeria. Moroccan authorities are currently prosecuting sixty members of the Moroccan Tablighi offshoot Dawa wa Tabligh in connection with the May 16, 2003 terrorist attack on a Casablanca synagogue.[19] Dutch police are investigating links between the Moroccan cells and the November 2, 2004 murder of Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh.[20]

    There are many other cases of individual Tablighis committing acts of terrorism. French Tablighi members, for example, have helped organize and execute attacks not only in Paris but also at the Hotel Asni in Marrakech in 1994.[21] Kazakh authorities expelled a number of Tablighi missionaries because they had been organizing networks advancing “extremist propaganda and recruitment.”[22]

    Indian investigators suspect influential Tablighi leader, Maulana Umarji, and a group of his followers in the February 27, 2002 fire bombing of a train carrying Hindu nationalists in Gujarat, India. The incident sparked a wave of pogroms victimizing both Muslims and Hindus.[23] More recently, Moroccan authorities sentenced Yusef Fikri, a Tablighi member and leader of the Moroccan terrorist organization At-Takfir wal-Hijrah, to death for his role in masterminding the May 2003 Casablanca terrorist bombings that claimed more than forty lives.[24]

    Tablighi Jamaat has also facilitated other terrorists’ missions. The group has provided logistical support and helped procure travel documents. Many take advantage of Tablighi Jamaat’s benign reputation. Moroccan authorities say that leaflets circulated by the terrorist group Al-Salafiyah al-Jihadiyah urged their members to join Islamic organizations that operate openly, such as Tablighi Jamaat, in order “to hide their identity on the one hand and influence these groups and their policies on the other.”[25] In a similar vein, a Pakistani jihadi website commented that Tablighi Jamaat organizational structures can be easily adopted to jihad activities.[26]

    The Philippine government has accused Tablighi Jamaat, which has an 11,000-member presence in the country, of serving both as a conduit of Saudi money to the Islamic terrorists in the south and as a cover for Pakistani jihad volunteers.[27]

    There is also evidence that Tablighi Jamaat directly recruits for terrorist organizations. As early as the 1980s, the movement sponsored military training for 900 recruits annually in Pakistan and Algeria while, in 1999, Uzbek authorities accused Tablighi Jamaat of sending 400 Uzbeks to terrorist training camps.[28]

    The West is not immune. British counterterrorism authorities estimate that at least 2,000 British nationals had gone to Pakistan for jihad training by 1998, and the French secret services report that between 80 and 100 French nationals fought for Al-Qaeda.[29]

  8. Justice

    Are you telling me that because you can find the political propaganda above, because someone or other put it on a websitefor their own ends, it is correct? Get real! And, even so, what does all this have to do with us? And what is the difference between a fundamentalist Christian who kills abortion doctors and a Muslim extremist, pray tell? I know…I know…the Muslims want to take over the world, right?

  9. akabozik

    And what is the difference between a fundamentalist Christian who kills abortion doctors and a Muslim extremist, pray tell?

    Hello Justice

    Two big differences.

    First, virtually all Christians would dispute that a person who murdered an abortion doctor could be a Christian. A wacko, yes, but a true Christian obeying Jesus? No.

    Quite the opposite with Muslims where thousands of murders are committed each year in the name of Allah – and the vast majority of Muslims remain silent at this supposed corruption of their religion.

    The second is the very numbers of Muslims who believe that the Quran authorizes violence to spread Islam. (Which the Quran does)

    With 1.2 billion muslims in the world, if only 5% believed in violence to spread the religion, that would be 60 million people and the largest most violent death/suicide cult in the world. But I think that 5% is very low.

    Whatever the number is, they are murdering in virtually every area of the globe in the name of Allah, and that is another big difference.

    As far as the Muslims wanting to take over the world, the 5% or whatever it is say just that. Why don’t you believe what they say and see the murders that they commit to further their cause as proof that they mean what they say?

  10. liz

    If this information about text books in schools is correct……I ask…..if Queens College was using a text book that referred to Muslims as “pigs” what would happen?

  11. Rumplestilskin

    I do not have enough info to analyse this. I do however agree that no religion or sect should teach, or be seeing to be teaching ideas of hatred or ridicule.

    None. Not Christian, Moslem, Hebrew, Atheist. Nada.

    Generally re security, though, don’t worry, be happy.

    ‘Big Brother’ be watching.

  12. Justice

    Bozik, I’m enjoying our discussion. So, if a Christian fundamentalist should, in accordance with fundamentalist dogma, shed the blood of an abortion doctor whom he considers to have shed blood by way of the abortion, Christians need not say anything, he is a wacko not a Christian after all. But if a Muslim follows the Koran as you say and blows people to bits and other Muslims keep quiet, the entire religion stands condemned? And, maybe you can help me, do not Christians want to take over the world too?

  13. K3445

    Justice you are going way overboard in your quest as bozik says for “equivilency” between millions of Muslim terrorists and their supporters (millions of them) and a handful of crazies who might call themselves christians but have zero support.

    As someone else said during the last time this faulty comparision was made…

    “when 19 Christians hijack a bunch of airliners taking families to Disney world, slit the throats of the pretty stewardesses and then murder thousands by crashing them into high buildings – CALL US THEN.”

  14. blahblahblah

    no religion can claim a monopoly over exemplary behaviour by its followers. christians colonised and brutalised asia africa and latin america and they claimed a right to do so because they were christians.

    as for muslims not condemning terrorist acts that is incorrect. umbrella muslim organisations in both the uk and the us issued lenghty documents condemning in no uncertain terms terrorism. fatwas were issued by numerous clerics saying those who engaged in terrorism were destined to hell. a large group of clerics in saudi issued a similar fatwa. muslims in the uk and us joined in large numbers various vigils, protests etc against terrorism.

    this is never given coverage in the media. but hey when the powers that be want to justify their huge defence budgets and arms contracts and their hunt for oil they need a bogey man, they need to keep people in fear, so you will always have that “other”, that monster seeking to destroy us, dominate us etc

    i have no time for religion and religious zealots but what is interesting is that despite all the attention on islam and terrorism etc, the religion is growing rapidly and many of our young people from all levels of society are joining.

    what do we do about that?

  15. godless

    The last thing we need in Bim is more religion, look at the world, and at the base of most problems you will find religion providing nutrition for hatred in all forms. To the previous writer Christians and particularly the Catholic Church have done so much more damage and committed far more atrocities in my life time than was done when those towers fell. The only thing is that they don’t tend to kill as many white people.

  16. Pat

    I am not religious, I practice no religion but have basic knowledge of many. To think that Moslems are more cruel and murderous than Christians is ridiculous. You will always find a few bad in the Islamic faith, Zionists, Southern Baptist fundamentalists, etc.

    However, the only reglion that had a policy of killing, in fact eradicating whole populations, tribes and wiping out their history has been the Christian religion. Just for land, jewels, gold and other wealth, which they had to die and leave.

    Most of it was done for and with the consent of the Bishops of Rome, the Emperors of France and the in-breds in GB who are also head of the Anglican Church.

    In Canada the fastest growing religion is the Islamic faith. Most of it from immigrants, but now main stream Canadians are becoming disenchanted with the older faiths and moving to Islam. It is a worldwide trend. The Moslems live as a community. They support each other and share what they have. It is truly amazing. The Christians and others, in my humble opinion, are out to accumulate wealth and material things at all costs.

  17. God Bless David

    All o’ dem need to learn to bun de herb an’ chill out…

  18. K3445

    Pat says…

    “In Canada the fastest growing religion is the Islamic faith. Most of it from immigrants, but now main stream Canadians are becoming disenchanted with the older faiths and moving to Islam. It is a worldwide trend.”

    a/ Your sources for this statement please.
    b/ Point: Because Islam says “join or die” and “if you leave we’ll kill you”, and killings for those reasons happen every day somewhere, the “growth” of Islam can hardly be compared to trends in other religions.

    It is like saying that Europe “embraced” Nazi politics during the invasions of 1939 to 1942!

    stupes

  19. Pat

    K3445: a/ Statistics Canada.

  20. blahblahblah

    akabozik

    u quote a right wing website that is full of inaccuracies and conjecture. i dont have the time to waste to do a critique!

    K3445

    a) check any census, check the numerous research papers and articles done on this.
    b) how dumb can one be? i was speaking of conversions in europe and north america. once again the figures are there. or u just have to visit some mosques or islamic centres. i have worked in north america and europe and i can count at least 35 friends/acquaitances/people i met at some seminar who had converted- educated, professional and mostly white. what about all the blacks and latins in the us who are converting?

    what is it that attracts these people to this religion? and how do we deal with these people converting?

  21. K3445

    blahblahblah say “K3445

    a) check any census, check the numerous research papers and articles done on this.”

    No… blah blah blah

    YOU check ’em. You’re the one claiming this fact so you source it out and post it here.

    That’s the way things work unless you’re just full of BS.

  22. RRRicky

    Pat says “now main stream Canadians are becoming disenchanted with the older faiths and moving to Islam”

    That is quite a claim. Quite something if true!

    Your sources please or STFU!

  23. CaribDigita

    I try to stay out of the whole ‘religion’ thing because sometimes I find it all quite silly. Just look at all the wars in this world which have been waged over religion and religious beliefs. Anyhow, I don’t think Barbados has the power (as a so-callled open democracy) to stop the Saudies from sponsoring their own ‘houses of worship’ for an affilated religious community in Barbados. That would be seen as an interference in the Islamic faith practicing their religion freely in Barbados.

    One thing I would like to point to, is the author of this piece touching on an interesting point in the beginning about questioning what would happen if missionaries (of the Christian faith) came to Barbados now and started preaching a current view to Barbadians that blacks or others should be slaves. I would build upon that by saying as an example if you can, ponder that Barbados is still a colony of the United Kingdom (As the same colonial history of Barbados just transplanted to another time and place) in that case it would be easy to understand that with the British people’s current more “laissez faire” attitude towards homosexuality a vast numbers of Barbadians would now be getting indoctrinated under that country’s churches that the current British Society’s views towards homosexuality is (for the most part) an accepted way of life. Heck many churches in other parts of the world are even starting to teach this. If the British were forcing their current manifestation of religion on Barbadians as they practice it now, it is likely Barbados would have many “openly lesbian or gay bishops”/ministers by now.

    The point is, religion changes over time. To get back to my original point, religion is just another way to live one’s life. Is it for everybody? no. but I believe you can tell any religion in Barbados how they can or can’t put their own money towards worship.

    There’s a saying here in the United States. “Your rights end, where your fist and my nose connect.” That is to say, you’re suppose to be able to do whatever you want until your actions encroach upon someone elses. In regards to those missionaries. If they came to Barbados and said that Blacks should be slaves. That is their free speech if they can find some blacks that want to sign legal document with them promissing themselves as slaves that would probably be their right to. But can they just come along and extend it to the unwilling. no. If the Muslims in Barbados want to take Saudi money they would be free to go by whatever views their faith partners want to teach them as long as it doesn’t rub up against my rights.

  24. John

    Was Barbados really a colony of England?

    Did the English Government actually send out people on its behalf to claim it?

    It is true that it was claimed in the name of James K of E but the first people who came here seem to have been people looking to escape the religious persecutions of England and make a new life. They seem to have been organised along the lines of a business enterprise.

    Wasn’t the settlement of Barbados, or for that matter America, not an exercise in private enterprise, with the government/king of England used merely as a means of legitimization?

    They were taking somewhere the Pope said belonged to Spain after all.

    It is quite unlike the state sponsoring Columbus to find and claim the New World for Spain.

    The Charter of Barbados and the American Declaration of Independence I don’t think have a parallel in the Spanish or Portuguese scheme until perhaps Simon Bolivar in South America in the 1800’s.

  25. PIG

    I am not a pig or an an ape.
    The question is whether Barbados should allow incitement; and education towards fundamentalism. The next step could be violence towards those who deny, speak out, or resist.
    Focus on that.

  26. JO JO

    Pat, said ” However, the only religion that had a policy of killing, in fact eradicating whole populations, tribes and wiping out their history has been the Christian religion. Just for land, jewels, gold and other wealth, which they had to die and leave.” NO ! NO! These things were done in direct contravention of the very faith they supposedly ( with emphasis on supposedly) embraced. True Bible believing Christians repudiate such actions. It is NOT the policy of Christianity. However, the more devout the followers of Islam purport to be , and the more they esteem the teachings of the Koran the less respect and value there seems to be for the lives of those outside their faith. All the rest are just infidels. Name a trouble spot where Islam is not involved? Possible, perhaps but takes some thought.

    Why are there converts? Nature abhors a vaccuum,people are looking for purpose, people crave power, take your pick. Those disillusioned with life today can take solace that if they die as a martyr for allah, eternal bliss is secure, or so they are promised… there are reasons.
    Jo JO

  27. CaribDigita

    About the comments about Islam growing. From what I’ve seen, this is true in drips and drabs. Many US television networks stations such as PBS, Link TV, the Independent Film Channel (IFC), Current TV(The Al Gore station) have done documentaries showing these stories about people in influential places switching to the Islamic faith because of its “peaceful message”.

    It is true that about 1/5 of the world’s population practices Islam don’t forget it is all over the Middle East, parts of Africa (especially North Africa) and it reaches heavily into the South East Asia especially the islands of South East Asia like Indonesia, Philippines, etc. etc….

    The problem with the middle east is we just have too many people fighting over these religious holy sites which are all located in a confined area. Christians, Jews, Muslems etc. all have holy sites a mere stones throw away from one another.

  28. Onlookers:

    The above is typical of the pattern of rhetoric whenever serious issues over the current surge in Islamism [and note my use of “ism” — I am speaking of that key estimated 10% that is radicalised (made by a Saudi prince BTW), and on the unfortunatley larger circle who are sympathetic] come up.

    Notice the distractions, distortions, finger-pointing at the real or imaginary faults of others, confusion over the declared intent of Islamists and their links to the founding era of Islam and the foundational teachings and examples.

    A few basics:

    1] Quran 9:5 and 29, [my square-bracketed explanations]:

    >>5, PICKTHAL: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship [i.e convert to Islam] and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. [This is the notorious Sword Verse that is said to abrogate over 100 more peaceful verses, such as the famous “there is no compulsion in religion” as it is in the last or next to last Surah “handed down.”]

    29, PICKTHAL: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture [i.e. Jews and Christians] as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute [Jizya tax on defeated groups, in effect a sign of their perpetual subjugation] readily, being brought low. [This is the Verse of Tribute, which again has precedence as it is in that Surah, and it established the foundation of the system of subjugation of Jews, Christians, etc under Apartheid-like Dhimmitude. Look the term up to see why such a harsh comparison is unfortunately apt.]>>

    2] In short, there is a reason why radical islamists often believe that the Quran mandates the spreading of Islam by the sword — there are over 100 similar texts. These were paralleled in the example set by Mohammed [cf relevant Hadiths] and his key followers, starting with the four rightly guided Caliphs. Within 100 years of the Hejira, 622 AD, the Jihad-based Muslim empire therefore stretched from Spain in the West to India in the East. [What were they “defending” all the way from Yathrib/Medina to France, close to Paris or the Indus valley?]

    3] Jesus, by contrast, taught us to love our enemies and pray for those who despitefully use or persecute us. The NT’s “sword verse” Rom 13:4, recognises a then pagan state — Rome — and its officers, starting with Nero — as God’s servants to protect us in justice; which BTW implies accountability under God for true justice. (That is one subtlety in “Give to Caesar what is his, and to God, what is HIS.” For, who decides what is legitimately, Caesar’s?]

    4] While, sadly, many who have identified themselves as “christians” have done appalling things; in no wise can this be properly viewed as a credible interpretation or following of foundational examples. (Mr Rudolph for instance, was roundly and soundly condemned for his wickedness, he was in no wise viewed as a hero; as, unfortunately, the self-acknowledged head of the 9/11 plot — Mr Bin Laden, often is viewed in the Muslim world.)

    5] Similarly, the ending of Atlantic slavery was in large part driven by the rise of a softened conscience during the C18 – 19 Evangelical [often: “fundamentalist” — NB gen., an abusive term of contempt to be avoided] Awakenings. A hard heart that refuses to see unwelcome truth and turn from sins is a human problem, not a Christian one. But, granting that, the Christian faith at its best has indeed more often than not, fostered such reformations, at personal, institutional and community levels. In our time, it is time for Islam to do the same on the sort of concern BFP has highlighted.

    6] The problem of Saudi-funded Wahabbi texts is a known, serious one. The contempt towards those of other faiths is quite explicit, and has to be addressed by reform-minded Muslims. It is not to be dodged through red herrings rdagged out to handy straw men that can then be pummelled and triumphalistically burned.

    In short, time for some serious thinking . . .

    GEM of TKI

  29. Rumplestilskin

    China has just sent a strong message to would be ‘non-conformists’ there.

    The Chinese administration has just executed a Muslim ‘militant’ for ‘plotting to split the motherland and having explosives’.

    I guess China does not have much patience for potential troublemakers?

    Should they have? Bear in mind if you went into Saudi or Dubai and started to preach Christianity you would be executed too, so don’t just condemn China off the bat.

    Life sometimes makes for strange bedfellows, for example China and the West while having different ideologies basically will be thrown together ‘against?’ any Muslim radical ‘push’ should it occur.

    China and the West are also co-operating re the production and marketing of goods, despite differing underlying principles.

    I guess this China and Western co-operation is much the same as Saudi co-operates with the West when the oil production and sale issue arises.

    But much of the funding for Islamic teaching derives from Saudi (isn’t this thus western money?), which made it from oil sales to the West!

    Some say that the funding for 9/11 etc came from Saudi. Indeed, most of the hijackers were in actual fact Saudi! Indeed, as we all know, Bin Laden’s father is a construction magnate in Saudi.

    Isn’t globalisation interesting?

    Can I sell you a pint of lager old boy? But by the way, I don’t like where your car is parked, can we duel it out afterwards?

  30. PIG

    The Barbados Ministry of Education sets out the guidelines for school curricula in Barbados. Without a doubt the noted phrases would contravene the guidelines set out, in that they are racist and do not promote equality among all students/persons. One would therefore hope that these books would be removed from all schools, and this would be directed by the Ministry, because racism and abuse have no place in the curriculum. QED.

    In the temples is another story. If others are called worthless, apes, or pigs, inside the temples, and this is being taught to solicited converts, then this is incitement to racism, and a nice atractive supremacist agenda. Whether this is legal or not is thrown out to the blog, and to the legal minds?

    To the bloggers who say that violence is confined to the Middle East, reflect on the fact that these Saudi books have just been discovered in both UK and Canada. Therefore the violent brand of supremicism and racism that they teach is now right here in Barbados.

    Yes indeed, isn’t globalism wonderful. Let’s sell Barbados’ integration, freedom, safety and (so far)peace of mind- for the Saudi investment.

  31. Kathy

    If I ever went to Saudi Arabia, I would not wear my accustomed short-sleeved shirt and skirt, but I would dress modestly out of respect for their customs. I would not take any duty-free rum, pork products or dogs. However, I object to lack of respect for MY customs – a few examples from other countries of what may be coming to Barbados:

    1) Muslim taxi driver in London refuses to transport blind woman with seeing-eye dog, because dogs are unclean. Discrimination against the blind is illegal there.
    2) Many Muslim taxi drivers in Minneapolis refuse to carry any passengers with duty-free liquor, forcing them to wait for a non-Muslim driver (one woman was refused 10 cabs in a row).
    3) Many Muslim countries officially dispute the right of the Danish to have free speech in their own newspapers (I found the Mohammed cartoons distasteful too, but I did not feel the urge to torch any European or American buildings).
    4) Muslims in Paris won a court battle to prevent soup kitchens serving free food containing pork to the poor, since poor Muslims would be discriminated against. The pork soup being served was a traditional French meal for the poor.

    I read mainstream news web sites for all the above stories. Google finds them easily. I would also be concerned to see a group of young Muslims growing up in Barbados with the belief that slavery is God-ordained, and that Bajan Christians are descended from pigs. I have a real big problem with millions of people in the world considering my and my children’s murder as a blessed event that would send them straight to heaven.

    Sharia law may be acceptable in its originating countries in the Middle East (except for the women), but don’t force it on me in my country! We fought hard for our rights, and we are not going back!

  32. Kathy

    Excellent comment. It also brings to the fore the linked — do bear with me to show why I say that — issue over in the Advocate and Nation on veiling and women near the cricket cup site.

    For, let us observe that the veiling evidently in question is the style that covers the whole body in heavy cloth to the point where only eyes are visible, behind a mesh. That is indeed a security concern as there have been incidents where Islamist terrorists — and note again my use of IST — have in pursuit of Islamist supremacy over the whole earth, have used the disguise of muslim women as a cover for attempted murder in the name of their religion.

    Peaceful Muslims in the Caribbesn therefore should take the lead in finding a way to address the very legitimate security concern without making unrealistic demands or implying a threat to make a “scene” before the international media that could sour the whole Cricket event. [There have been too many recent incidents that smack of that sort of exploitative media game, e.g the case over the six Imams who imitated terroristic patterns of behaviour then made a big stink over “discrimination” when security concerns and actions followed.]

    But this is also not just a security concern.

    For, why is it that it is specifically WOMEN’s faces that are viewed as objects of shame such that a woman should only show it to another woman, as if her face were a private part? [In short: What of men’s faces? Why would women’s faces be objects of shame, but at the same time, men’s faces are not? Does not this smack of an artificial culture of shaming, disrespect and subjugation, of half of humanity? And, does that not line up with perceived the attitude of contempt towards Jews and Christians that is being raised in the concern over the claimed use of Saudi textbooks in Bajan Islamic schools? (BTW, can someone kindly confirm the fact objectively and independently?)]

    Further to this, the fact that it is men who are speaking up for “their” women, more or less, tells us that this may well be a seriously retrogressive step on basic respect for all, and for equal rights and dignity for all of Adam’s children.

    I think the time has come for a serious, respectful but fearlessly critical and frank dialogue within and with the muslim community across the Caribbean.

    GEM of TKI

  33. Salafi Manhaj

    It is unquestionably strange what I am reading and obvious Barbadians are in general ignorant concerning this beautiful religion called Islaam. Please observe the following point.

    1. Wahabism is has nothing to do with Suicide bombings, terrorism, hijacking, killing innocent men women and children. Rather the great Scholar taught what he knew from the Book of Allaah and the way of the Prophet which is to single out Allaah alone for all worship and avoiding worshipping other than Allaah. I thick Bajans who are seeking the truth should not only read the biography of Shaykh Muhammed Abdul Wahab but they should read Wahabi Myth. Here is an exert ” The word “Wahabism” is in fact nothing but a meaningless appellation which is used by people in two cases: The term “Wahabism” is often used to describe those who closely stick to the verses of the Qur’an and the narrations of the Prophet Muhammad (may Allah raise his rank and grant him peace) in all religious affairs. Consequently, instead of directly attacking Islam for those things that do not appeal to their desires, they call anyone who follows these texts “Wahabis.”

    Another different and contemporary usage has appeared for this term. Anybody who belongs to any of the current Qutbist type groups or movements that call for political overthrows, endless blind purported Jihads which are based upon principles other than those found in Islam and led by people who have no knowledge based background in Islamic scholarship, are entered into a giant umbrella group called “Wahabism.” This is done even though these followers of Sayyid Qutb despise the Salafi/”Wahabi” scholars and their creed.

    Hence, in the first case, “Wahabism” is used to mean “anything I don’t like about Islam,” and in the second case, “anything I don’t like about what the contemporary Qutbist movements do; things that have no basis in Islam.”

    The media and general population are invited to actually begin to study the principles of Salafism/”Wahabism” and report about it accurately, especially as it seems that the “War Against Terrorism” seems to slowly be turning into the “War Against Wahabism.”

    Some Western intellectuals are doing something to contest this trend, but they are few and far between, and their knowledge of the nature of Salafism is limited. Gary Leupp, a history professor and coordinator of the Asian Studies Program at Tufts University, posed the following question concerning this current of thought: “In Saudi Arabia itself, is “Wahabism” really the threat posited by some neocons? John Esposito, director of the Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding at Georgetown University, suggests otherwise.”

    Professor Leupp quotes Esposito as saying: “Even conforming to an ultra-conservative, anti-pluralistic faith does not necessarily make you a violent individual.” Leupp adds: “There are of course millions of peaceable if ultra-conservative, anti-pluralistic Christians.”

    Driving in his point, Leupp cites F. Gregory Gause III, a professor of political science at the University of Vermont, when he warned the House Subcommittee on Middle East and South Asia about the “dangerous trend” of linking “Wahabism” with terrorism, wherein he explained that this phenomena “is not Saudi or ‘Wahabi’ in any exclusive sense. It is part of the zeitgeist of the whole Muslim world right now. It is undoubtedly true that the al-Qa’ida network was able to recruit many Saudis. But it would be a mistake to attribute this simply to some purported affinity between ‘Wahabism’ and al-Qa’ida’s message of jihad.”

    Stating that although “some Saudi clerics and intellectuals have supported al-Qa’ida’s message [note: the supporters of Sayyid Qutb, the Qutbists],” he adds that “the vast majority have condemned it [note: the Salafi/”Wahabi” scholars].”

    “Moreover,” he says, “Al-Qa’ida has been able to recruit both fighters and intellectual supporters from many countries – Egypt and Pakistan, to name but two – where ‘Wahabism’ is not a prominent intellectual current.”

    From the great works of the Shaykh that all should read and come to know is

    1. Three fundamental Principles
    2. Four Principles
    3. Six principles
    4. Uncovering the doubts.
    5. Thing that nullify one Islaam
    6. The meaning of Tawheed (Singeling out Allaah alone for all worship.
    7. The meaning of Taghoot (The meaning of that which is worshiped other than Allaah.) etc

    Not one of his writing call to Terrorism, destabilizing of governments hurting innocent people.

    I will continue with more details however I invite you to come and the Grand Salle on April 11 and 12 between 7 and 10 for a conference called Islaams war against terrorism.

    for the Wahabi myth http://www.thewahhabimyth.com/

    To be continued…

    ***************************

    Comment by BFP Robert…

    It is too bad that all these Muslims who are strapping bombs to themselves and their children and blowing up people on their way to work are so misinformed that each one believes they are doing what Islam demands.

    Please, Salafi Manhaj, in very clear and unequivocal language – tell us that the Koran and Islam do NOT authorise violence to spread the religion or to keep Muslims from converting to other religions.

    Please, Salafi Manhaj, in very clear and unequivocal language – tell us that Muslims who convert to other religions should NOT be killed.

    We await your answer.

    Thanks!

    Robert

  34. Chase

    Jo Jo
    You said name a trouble spot where Islam is not involved……..can you name a trouble spot where Europe or the West (christianity) are not involved also?
    **********************

    BFP replies…

    Thailand, Malaysia & Indonesia to start.

    Christians have been fleeing for their lives from Indonesia. Whole families and villages slaughtered. Many forced conversions. Millions of Christians gone – dead or run away leaving behind businesses, homes, possessions.

    The same is happening with Buddhists in Thailand and Malaysia. Some areas where Muslims were a minority 15 or even 5 years ago are now almost 100% Muslim.

    Anyone seriously trying to argue equivalency between Islam and Christianity or Buddhism is not playing with a full deck.

  35. Straight talk

    @ Chase
    Try Darfur, Somalia Nigeria & Kashmir?

  36. Salafi Manhaj

    Bismillaah Ar Rahmaan Ar Raheem

    …It is unquestionably a tremendous blessing upon our country Barbados to have links with the Noble and Illustrious Islamic Scholars in Saudia Arabia, the birth place of the Muhammed (May there be peace upon him) the final Prophet of mankind.

    The final Messenger said “The scholars are inheritors of the Prophets”.

    Indeed the Saudi Scholars are known for deep rooted knowledge, piety, wisdom and love of Allaah. They teach the None has the right to be worshipped but Allaah and that supplication, prayer, bowing, prostration, fear, hope, trust, repentance are for Allaah alone. They teach all acts inwardly and outwardly from statements and actions are for Allaah alone.

    Now, what did Allaah his Messenger and the Saudi Scholars say about suicide, killing innocent people, hijackings etc.

    SUICIDE IS NOT FROM ISLAAM RATHER IT IS A BID”AH (INNOVATION)

    Allaah said in the final revelation to mankind “Oh you who believe! Eat not up your property among yourselves unjustly except it be a trade amongst you, by mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves. Surely Allaah is most merciful to you. And whoever commits that through aggression and injustice, we shall cast him into the Fire, and that is easy for Allaah” An-Nisa 29-30

    As for what the final Prophet said “Whoever kills himself with something in this world then he will be punished with it on the day of judgement”.

    The Final Prophet also said “There was a man who sustained a wound so he killed himself so Allaah said My servant hurried to bring death upon himself, So I declare paradise unlawful for him.

    I suggest you read this book by the great Shaykh Abdul Musin Al Abaad al Badr. http://spubs.com/sps/downloads/pdf/MNJ140006.pdf

    This book clearly shows Islaam is against terrorism.

    Now as it relate to the Scholars in general and the Saudi Scholars specifically then we say they only teach what Alaah and his Messenger have said from the understanding of the companions of prophet Muhammed.

    As for a drop in the ocean of knowledge the Saudi Scholars refuting terrorism then see the following links,

    http://www.al-athariyyah.com/correct_pos.html
    http://www.salafitalk.net go to the section Misconceptions around Salafiyyah – Terrorism etc..

    Lastly, we do not spend much time with claims not backed with proofs for any claim not backed by proofs is only a claim. For verily many accuse those of there own crimes.

    In Barbados you do not have to worry about muslims killing themselves or killing people unjustly. The salafis in Barbados follow what Alaah and his Messenger said and as you read above Islaam is against suicide and killing innocent people. What you have to worry about in Barbados is rape on the rise, pornography in schools, murder, prostitution, molestation, homosexuality, the jails bursting at the seams due to the rise in crime. This is what our country needs to look at. How amazing it is a person with a log in their eye criticizing the one with a speck.

    … And on a bigger scale look at the amount of Christians who killed and terrorized people for centuries . Just take a little look at history. It was Christians who enslaved our fore parents not muslims!! It was Christians who killed Muslims by the thousands during the crusades!!! Oh how quick people forget!!

    To continue…

  37. Salafi Manhaj

    …The great Imaam (Leader) of the sciences of Jarh wa Ta’deel (criticism and declaring someone trustworthy) and “Saudi” Scholar said regarding those who speak ill about Allaah’s religion and the final Prophet these weighty words

    “As for what follows:

    Some newspapers and other forms of media have spread hurtful, vicious information that could only emanate from the jealous, arrogant enemies of Islam and its Prophet (may Allah raise his rank and grant him peace).

    That conduct comprises a calumniation of Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah and a distortion of his message by jealous individuals and Christian organizations, as well as envious and irresponsible columnists, like those who write for the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten.

    Its writers mocked the best of Mankind and the most distinguished of the Messengers, Muhammad (may Allah raise his rank and grant him peace), the likes of whose nobility, honour, justice, and manners the earth has never known of. Neither has it known of a more complete and comprehensive message than his, nor a more just and merciful one.

    It is a message that embraces belief in all of the prophets and messengers, honoring them and defending them from calumniation and defamation. It has also preserved an accurate history of the prophets, including Jesus and Moses. So whoever disbelieves in Muhammad and speaks of him in a derogatory manner has disbelieved in all of the prophets and disparaged of all of them.

    Recently, some uncivilized miscreants made fun of the Prophet, drawing various pictures of him. Twelve despicable pictures, one of them portrayed him (may Allah raise his rank and grant him peace) wearing a turban resembling a bomb on his head.

    We say to these criminals and their envious supporters in Europe and America: You are accusing others of your very own crimes! (*)

    Let it be known that never did Muhammad (may Allah raise his rank and grant him peace), nor his righteous successors or any of his honorable companions, ever establish factories for even the most primitive of weapons, like swords and spears, let alone atomic bombs, long-range missiles, or any other weapon of mass destruction.

    Never did Muhammad (may Allah raise his rank and grant him peace) build a single weapon factory. Rather, he was sent as a mercy for the entire creation, to guide all Mankind towards happiness in their worldly lives and in their hereafter, such that they fulfill their Creator’s right upon them, for it is He who created them to worship Him alone. Whoever rejects this is truly a criminal deserving punishment in this life and the next, by the Lord of all that exists, the Creator of this universe and its Master.

    As for you O Westerners, claimants of civilization, you have constitutions and statutes that destroy upright moral character and permit all kinds of forbidden acts, the likes of fornication and homosexuality, as well as usury which destroys the economies of entire nations, and the eating of improperly slaughtered animals (dead meats) and pork, something that causes the loss of concern for women’s values, and thus a man does not feel protective of his wife, sister, or daughter, and thus she fornicates with or intimately befriends whomever she pleases. These are some of the means which lead to ruin, and they have been prohibited in all of the prophetic messages.

    As for bombs and all other weapons of destruction, war planes, tanks, and long-range missiles, you are the ones who engineered and manufactured them with your satanic minds that only think about transgression, animosity, oppression, attacking, tyranny, conquering entire races of people and enslaving them, spilling their blood, and usurping their natural resources. You think only about annihilating those who oppose you and stand in the way of your greedy aspirations, your oppression and spreading of hatred. All this wrapped up in the name of civilization, human rights, freedom, and justice!

    All intelligent people know this about you. For your dark history is overflowing with uncivil and terrorist acts, a history recorded against you by both your enemies and allies alike.

    Anyone who does not know this should read about your history and your occupation of numerous nations, or at least read the history and some horrible results of your two World Wars. For example, the number of fatalities in the First World War in Europe reached “More than 10 million, and they were the elite of their nations’ youth. And more than twice this number had incurred serious injuries disabling them for the rest of their lives.” [Refer to: At-Taareekh al-Mu’aasir: Uruubbaa minath-Thawratil-Fransiyyah ilal-Harbil-‘Aalamiyyaith-Thaaniyah, p.505. (Lit: Recent History, Europe from the French Revolution to the Second World War)]

    The number of soldiers killed in the Second World War reached: “17 million, along with another 18 million civilian fatalities – all of them killed within a period of only five and a half years. Experts have estimated that the military expenses alone reached $1,100 billion, and that losses caused by the war reached the value of $2,100 billion. Added to this are the number of entire cities destroyed, the amount of earth scorched, the agriculture that was flooded, and the factories and plantations that stopped production, not to mention the number of livestock that were destroyed or lost.” [(Al-Harb al-‘Aalamiyyah ath-Thaaniyah by Ramadhaan Land, p.448-449) (Lit: The Second World War)]

    The Hiroshima Bomb

    Stated the author of the book, “al-Harb al-‘Aalamiyyah ath-Thaaniyah” (p.446-447) (Lit: The Second World War), “And perhaps it is appropriate to speak about this first atomic bomb. Let us relay what was reported directly from one of the Japanese in his interview with Marcel Junod, a representative of the Red Cross, speaking about the reality of this most frightening explosion. He said: …And suddenly there appeared these intense, muddy pinkish lights, accompanied by an unnatural tremor. This was immediately followed by an asphyxiating wave of heat and violent winds that ravaged everything in their path.

    Within only a few seconds, thousands of people who walked the roads or sat in the city’s main streets were burned alive. A great number were then killed by the intense heat that spread all over. Others were left lying on the ground screaming in pain with deadly burns all over their bodies. Anything that had been at the point of impact – walls, homes, factories, and other buildings – was completely and totally annihilated, with all traces of these things sent hurling into the sky in a ghastly whirlwind. Trams were plucked from their steel tracks and flung as if they had lost their weight and substance. Trains were lifted off the ground along with their tracks as if they were mere toys. Horses, dogs, and livestock were all befallen with what befell the people. Every living thing had lost its life in one painful turn of events too difficult to describe. Trees were engulfed in blazing fires, rice fields lost their color, and farms crackled and burned away like dry straw.

    As for the surrounding areas that escaped instant death: Homes were crumbled and only piles of wooden boards remained amongst bricks and stone foundations. Everything was crushed as if they were cardboard houses in a zone of destruction 10 kilometers in diameter. Those who survived found themselves totally surrounded by raging fires. The few people who managed to get to any type of shelter in time died painful deaths from gamma radiation within 20 to 30 days. By nightfall on the day of the blast, the blaze slowed down and then died out, finding nothing left to fuel it. Hiroshima had passed away into nothingness.”

    These are some of the landmarks of your civilization that you sing and boast about, and become insolent towards Islam and its Prophet with. Yet you continue intensifying every form of oppression and corruption and you go on inventing more and more weapons of destruction, annihilation, and devastation, and this – by Allah – is the utmost limit of barbaric and animalistic behavior.
    ( Or do you think that most of them even listen or use their intellects?
    They are only like cattle, rather, even more astray than that. )
    [Soorah al-Furqaan 25:44]

    So crown yourselves with your own bombs, including the Hiroshima bomb and its likes, and crown your leaders with them. Consider all other weapons of mass destruction as your fangs and claws that you use to prey upon wild animals and all of Mankind.
    ( And those who oppress shall see what kind of outcome overturns them. )
    [Soorah ash-Shooraa 26:227]

    Written by: Shaykh Rabee’ ibn Haadee ‘Umayr al-Madkhalee
    1426/12/28 (corresponding to 2006/1/28)”

    That is it for now.

    Don’t forget the Grand Sall where all these affairs will be explained.

  38. Salafi Manhaj

    Bismillaah Ar Rahmaan Ar Raheem

    …It is unquestionably a tremendous blessing upon our country Barbados to have links with the Noble and Illustrious Islamic Scholars in Saudia Arabia, the birth place of the Muhammed (May there be peace upon him) the final Prophet of mankind.

    The final Messenger said “The scholars are inheritors of the Prophets”.

    Indeed the Saudi Scholars are known for deep rooted knowledge, piety, wisdom and love of Allaah. They teach the None has the right to be worshipped but Allaah and that supplication, prayer, bowing, prostration, fear, hope, trust, repentance are for Allaah alone. They teach all acts inwardly and outwardly from statements and actions are for Allaah alone.

    Now, what did Allaah his Messenger and the Saudi Scholars say about suicide, killing innocent people, hijackings etc.

    SUICIDE IS NOT FROM ISLAAM RATHER IT IS A BID”AH (INNOVATION)

    Allaah said in the final revelation to mankind “Oh you who believe! Eat not up your property among yourselves unjustly except it be a trade amongst you, by mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves. Surely Allaah is most merciful to you. And whoever commits that through aggression and injustice, we shall cast him into the Fire, and that is easy for Allaah” An-Nisa 29-30

    As for what the final Prophet said “Whoever kills himself with something in this world then he will be punished with it on the day of judgement”.

    The Final Prophet also said “There was a man who sustained a wound so he killed himself so Allaah said My servant hurried to bring death upon himself, So I declare paradise unlawful for him.

    I suggest you read this book by the great Shaykh Abdul Musin Al Abaad al Badr. http://spubs.com/sps/downloads/pdf/MNJ140006.pdf

    This book clearly shows Islaam is against terrorism.

    Now as it relate to the Scholars in general and the Saudi Scholars specifically then we say they only teach what Alaah and his Messenger have said from the understanding of the companions of prophet Muhammed.

    As for a drop in the ocean of knowledge the Saudi Scholars refuting terrorism then see the following links,

    http://www.al-athariyyah.com/correct_pos.html
    http://www.salafitalk.net go to the section Misconceptions around Salafiyyah – Terrorism etc..

    Lastly, we do not spend much time with claims not backed with proofs for any claim not backed by proofs is only a claim. For verily many accuse those of there own crimes.

    In Barbados you do not have to worry about muslims killing themselves or killing people unjustly. The salafis in Barbados follow what Alaah and his Messenger said and as you read above Islaam is against suicide and killing innocent people. What you have to worry about in Barbados is rape on the rise, pornography in schools, murder, prostitution, molestation, homosexuality, the jails bursting at the seams due to the rise in crime. This is what our country needs to look at. How amazing it is a person with a log in their eye criticizing the one with a speck.

    … And on a bigger scale look at the amount of Christians who killed and terrorized people for centuries . Just take a little look at history. It was Christians who enslaved our fore parents not muslims!! It was Christians who killed Muslims by the thousands during the crusades!!! Oh how quick people forget!!

  39. Anonymous

    When the attacks stop, and when the women do as they please, and when all groups, not just the Muslims in your Saudi -run lands have equal justice, we will believe you.

    In Barbados we have the choice to do and be what we want.

    This blog is about freedom of rights, and our expression under our own laws and constitutions.

    You are also free express, but you use this to accuse and condemn other groups of innocent people.

    You come for acceptance, but you do not accept.

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  41. Bajanboy

    Why don’t peace loving Muslims come out strongly against those preaching hate? I have always wondered if by their silence, Muslims in general do not tacitly support their violent brothers.

  42. Anonymous

    Check what this ‘educationalist’ is saying above. He sounds accusatively like an Al Qaeda precursor. Maybe he was expecting to have India and Pakistan here for the big super 8 clash in Bim, or maybe not, but this is definitely here with the support of the local community. I do not like what I read.

  43. Yardbroom

    The suggestion from Salafi Manhay promotes the idea that women – and I think he means Muslim women – are inherently promiscuous and therefore it is the religious duty of men to prevent them from fornicating, as it is a perception underpinned by Muslim teaching – if we are to believe Salafi Manhay – I will leave that statement for Muslim women to respond to.

    Barbados and its people would be better off without those incantations, we beseech you go, and leave us in peace.

    In Barbados we debate about many things, what we “worry ” about most is you in our midst. Leave us to our ignorant ways, we can see your finger of blood, pointing to a darkness we would rather not venture into.

  44. H’mm:

    Lets’ get back to basics on this — and yes we know that the temptation to violence and oppression etc are universal [we are historic victims of that], so tu quoquo arguments don’t resolve the matter:
    ____________

    Key Quranic Texts:

    >>Q 9:5, PICKTHAL: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship [i.e convert to Islam] and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. [This is the notorious Sword Verse that is said to abrogate over 100 more peaceful verses, such as the famous “there is no compulsion in religion” as it is in the last or next to last Surah “handed down.”]

    Q 9: 29, PICKTHAL: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture [i.e. Jews and Christians] as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute [Jizya tax on defeated groups, in effect a sign of their perpetual subjugation] readily, being brought low. [This is the Verse of Tribute, which again has precedence as it is in that Surah, and it established the foundation of the system of subjugation of Jews, Christians, etc under Apartheid-like Dhimmitude. Look the term up to see why such a harsh comparison is unfortunately apt.]>>
    _________

    These texts, over 100 others in the Quran, and many Hadiths [traditions of Mohammed, held to be normative for Islam], plus the foundational 100 years of history of Islam (Including Mohammed’s conquests and mass-slaughters), leading inter alia to the Sharia on the subject of war and peace, and dhimmitude [Apartheid-like status of conquered peoples, esp. Jews and Christians], are associated with three major historical waves of conquest in the name of Islam, by what we can descriptively label IslamISTS. (The third wave is currently active, and as other commenters have noted, the Thais, the Christians of Indonesia, the Nigerians, the Dinka of Sudan and many other non-western peoples have felt its lash.)

    Onlookers will observe that the Dawa Spokesman, Mr Salafi Manhaj, has not been able to confute the relevant facts of text and history, but has sought to introduce the distracting red herring of the sins of European- and derived Christendom. Mr Manhaj, we are very familiar with the sins of nominal Christendom [cf Equiano’s acid remarks on that], as victims, starting with the Islamic-European slave trade in Africa — we know who were the pirates who robbed I and sold I to the Englishman’s merchant ships.

    We have by God’s grace found liberation and independence, and are now charting our own course in the world here in the Caribbean. We have no interest in swapping a European Massa for an Islamist one. Thus, our concerns and discussion.

    Similarly, when we observe the status of women in Islam, and the implications of the fact of face veiling of women — the female face [but not the male one] as an artificial object of shame — we see serious implications on lack of respect for basic human dignity, oppression and exploitation. YB has aptly mentioned some of them.

    Further to this, while we are concerned with suicide bombing as an expression of the latest wave of militant Islamism, we note that those who most need to be persuaded that such is “unislamic” are not so much ourselves, as those who inflict this particularly vicious form of mass murder on innocents. In short, we would like to see Islam police itself effectively in this matter. Otherwise, it begins to look like a deniable tactic: reap the benefits, repudiate the means in propaganda when challenged.

    So, thanks for telling us on fine distinctions among Islamic theologies, but we have wider concerns than that, especially given foundation texts and examples as have been mentioned.

    Commenters and readers of this blog post, in particular have observed the number of Wahabi [etc]-associated, Saudi-funded Mosques and schools that have been repeatedly associated with Islamist radicalisation and Islamist violence across the world, and so express a very legitimate concern. For instance, we observe several cases of Caribbean converts to Islam who have been radicalised and have been implicated in violence and terrorism.

    Smooth denials and distractors therefore do not remove these concerns, unless we see plain evidence that the teachings in these schools in English and Arabic, conform to reasonable standards of mutual respect, justice, respect for women and peacefulness common in the Caribbean.

    We ain’t “swappin black dog fe monkey . . .”

    GEM of TKI

  45. Kem

    We observe closely the state of affairs in our neighbour Trinidad & Tobago vis-a-vis the conduct of Mr. Abu Bakr, who lets not forget attempted a coup in that said state. His radical teachings are adhered to by many there, and it is not outside the bounds of logical reason to believe that this type of teachings may soon rear its head here. I believe the concerns of Barbadian people, not just Christians are warranted with respect to the position of the Barbadian Muslim community on these issues. Freedom of exression and religious belief is a privilege extended to all Christian, Muslim alike however it must be accompanies by an equal if not superior measure of responsibility.

  46. Warrior

    What Barbados has here is a very clear and present danger.

    For the last five (5) years I have been telling friends and family about this threat that I perceive would be coming from the Muslim population. They all thought me to be a little off centre

    I have watched as they have increased in numbers whether by birth or arrivals into the country.

    Also watched as they amassed they wealth – check out the home owners in Hunte & King Street, Gills Rd, Whitepark Rd, Bank Hall Main Rd, in both directions, Pine Gardens, Belleville, Tweedside Rd, Government Hill and environs. Every Height, Terrace and Garden has been infused with them 2-3 lots side by side in land that was sold by the Nat’l Housing Corp. I thought someone told me that when one bought one parcel of land from the NHC one could not purchase another one from them. Land that has been difficult for the average Barbadian to get a hold of from the NHC is being bought en-mass by Muslims, and they are building Apartment buildings like crazy.

    Notice that they own the minibus and has the transport system under siege. It is out of this that the maxi taxi, ZR and minibus SUB-CULTURE has arisen to bite us in the proverbial butt. Our young ppl suffer daily at what goes on in these minibuses. Meanwhile the Muslims provide a specific bus to take their children to wherever they go to be educated.

    Notice that they women are covered from head to toe yet they continue to peddle the same apparel that allow our young damsels to expose their wares for the taking by the highest bidder. Still slavery my friend.

    Notice who owns the Rum shops on the corner of Westbury & Pres. Ken Dr. and and the property that runs from the corner to one block away from St. Leonards church. Also Notice the rum shop on the Corner of Seclusion and Black Rk Main Road

    Notice that the Government has taken pains to ensure that the Muslims in the areas surrounding Kensington are not disadvantaged in any way, yet they put tremendous strain on a business like Brankers and DaCostas Manningsby the Fontabelle Rd Project.

    Notice that the Government of Barbados has given over to them the inner workings of our Coast Guard and Police Department – the armed forces my friend as the Daily Nation put it. Only a complete raving lunatic would put a fox in his/her hen house.

    Notice who the influx of new Doctors are. Have you noticed the very ones that are so apposed to the Western ideals are so tech savvy with the Satellite dishes, internet, and such like in every home and at everyone’s disposal.

    Question:- why so many intellectuals and women are being converted to Islam
    Answer:-.Like a Moth to a flame.

    Meaning

    Irresistibly and dangerously attracted to something or someone. Origin:-( The phrase is a simple allusion to the well-known attraction that moths have to bright lights. The word moth was used the the 17th century to mean someone who was apt to be tempted by something that would lead to their downfall. This is referred to by Shakespeare in The Merchant of Venice, 1600:-( “Thus hath the candle singd the moath.”

    ***Rumple*** Big brother be watching.
    “The more you look the less you see. – Old Bajan addage.

    ***kairosfocus***
    H’mm:

    Q 9:5, PICKTHAL: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship [i.e convert to Islam] and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

    NIV Revelation 13:-14-17

    14Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

  47. Warrior

    Is not a Muslim woman the Director of the Barbados Drug Service. I stand to be corrected on this.

    I have also noticed that we speak about Mr. Lynch almost every day yet, we must not overlook the role the Billie Millar as played in events that I listed in the above post. That is why Integrity, transparency and ACCOUNTABILITY must be our focus. Must be the focus of every Politician leader, boss manager supervisor, playground bully who-ever otherwise who knows

  48. I read your comments on the above topic as I wanted to find a mosque in Barbados. Being a Muslim police officer in the UK, I have to answer quite a few questions to my fellow colleges some of whom are Christian missionaries regarding my faith and am quite tempted to answer some of the question raised above.

    First of all in regards to “if a Christian Missionary Arrived Today And Said That Slavery Was Ordained By God – What Would Barbados Do? “? That is a question every Barbados man, women and children would have to ask themselves as no religion allows slavery and Christians have used this to make it seem that slavery has been allowed by god. If people look back in Muslim history they will notice that one of the greatest man at the time of the Muslim era during the life of the prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was a black slave freed by the prophet whose name is ” Bilal ” and he was the man who called people to their prayers and still today Muslim all over the world use this call to call people to prayer.

    People look at the crusades done by Christian Missionaries and the blood that had to be shed to spread Christianity but than they base this historical behaviour with the spread of the Muslim religion, but those who say this may never have read Muslim history. Again if you look back in Muslim history you will known that nations came to the religion, and countries accepted the way of Islam without any war for example the spread of the Muslim religion in Indonesia was purely based on a Muslim trading their goods in a honest manner which was liked by the people of Indonesia and today it is the largest Muslim country in the world

    I can go on the answer all the question but by doing so will only create a debate. I only answered a few so people can actually read on the Muslim religion and make their own minds on the religion rather than listen to what the media portrays the religion as. We all known as soon as we turn on the TV or open a page on the newspaper we always see the negative side of the religion. But people never think about who are causing all this negative acts and how the Muslim religion rejects these actions. We read laws of the religion translated by a non Muslim person and are gullible enough to trust them without thinking about it ourself

    Finally to answer the quote “ Saudi-Supplied Children’s Textbooks with statements such as: Christians are “Pigs”, Jews are “Apes”. If this was the case than why does the Quran mention that the closest Prophet to Muhammad (PBUH) is Jesus and also “and you will find the nearest in love to the believers (Muslims) are those who say: “We are Christians.” That is because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not arrogant. And when they hear what has been sent down to the Messenger (Muhammad), you see their eyes overflowing with tears because of the truth that they have recognized. They say: “Our Lord! We believe; so record us amongst the witnesses.” [Al Maidah: 82-83]

    So let us ask these authors of the text book which says Christian are pig the statement above because the Muslim religion I follow is a peace and loving religion that debates with other religion in a respective manner for Islam does not allow a man, women or child to forcefully believe in the religion as that is not believing

    *****************

    Hi Abdul

    What about the verses of the Quran that state that a person who leaves the Muslim faith is to be killed?

    Thanks!

    Cliverton

  49. Bajan Muslim

    “We observe closely the state of affairs in our neighbour Trinidad & Tobago vis-a-vis the conduct of Mr. Abu Bakr, who lets not forget attempted a coup in that said state. His radical teachings are adhered to by many there, and it is not outside the bounds of logical reason to believe that this type of teachings may soon rear its head here. ”

    I would just like to say that the majority of the Muslims in Trinidad do not ‘adhere to the teachings of Imam Abu Bakr ( of the Jamat ul Muslimeen)’. He is not seen as the final authority or the leading scholar or Imam in the country.
    In any case you would have to explain what you mean by his teachings and then we could discuss what Islam says about these issues.

    I know that a lot of kidnappings and murders are blamed on members of the Jamat ul Muslimeen. I do not know if this is true or not, but Islam definitely forbids kidnapings for ransoms, gang murders, consumption and trafficking of drugs etc.
    I am not saying Imam Abu Bakr is responsible for these actions, but the media links these activities to the Jamat ul Muslimeen from time to time.

  50. A few brief comments on this thread that will not die:

    1] “no religion allows slavery”

    In fact, until the rise of the antislavery movement in C18, which was in large measure driven by awakened evangelical consciences, slavery was a universal phenomenon. What needs to be explained is the move towards emancipation and what drove it — in the lands shaped by biblical religion, it was the implications of the gospel as they intersected with rising power of the people [again deriving from biblical reasoning in large part . . . start with Duplessis Mornay’s 1579 Vindiciae and its immediate aftermath in the Dutch Declaration of Independence of 1581]] so that power elites had to take liberty seriously, and address oppression and the corrupting influence of power over other people. Once such was on the table, slavery was indefensible and collapsed morally. Institutional collapse followed.

    It is also a fact that many of the old pirates who robbed I and sold I to the merchant ships were Arab and Berber muslims. No mass-based, morally anchored antislavery movement arose in Islam, nor did abolition arise from within.

    From the likes of Equiano and John Newton and Wilberforce, we know that there was a repudiation of slavery based on core Christian principles in the West [cf Eq’s rebuke to “nominal Christians!’] But today in places like Sudan, slavery and the kidnapping based trade continue, and we do not see a mass movement of protest and reform within Islam in counter to this.

    Couple that to other similar issues and you will see why people are concerned.

    2] “the crusades done by Christian Missionaries and the blood that had to be shed to spread Christianity”

    It is this sort of slanderously unfair and unbalanced comment that leads us to serious concern even when we see more moderate Islamic voices.

    Most of the time the blood that was shed to spread Christianity was that of peaceful martyrs who died for their testimony, at the hands of those who hated them or viewed them as a threat. Thus, Tertullian’s “the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church.” [And Christian martyrs are not suicide bombers or the like.]

    Christian missions, especially evangelical missions over the past three centuries and the many missions of the first thousand years of the faith, are is exactly the opposite of the medieval crusades — go read the histories of Patrick in Ireland and Boniface in Germany, for instance. (So, the conflation of two very different meanings of “crusade” is inexcusable; this is the C21, after 50 years of Billy Graham’s crusades!)

    [And BTW, though the behaviour in war in the dark ages was by and large horrible, the medieval crusades were in origin a counterattack to centuries of quite similar Islamic jihads that came to the shores of Ireland and the heart of France, not to mention deep into India. “He hit back first” is not a proper defence.]

    Yes, horrible things have been done in the name of the Christian faith. And, those horrible things of what many Christians would for good reason describe as years of falling away from the central principles and praxis of the faith have long since been repented of and repudiated as utterly inconsistent with the core of the gospel.

    Indeed, there have been for many years now, walks of repentance and apology that have gone over the same regions of the crusades and sought to publicly do just that. Refusal to acknowledge that there has been a repentance from a period that was one of — frankly, apostasy bred by ignorance and power-blindness — does not bode well. SO does refusal to recognise the impact of the reformation, revivals and awakenings, and of the major Christian contributions to liberation, empowerment and betterment across the world for half a millennium, despite all the flaws and errors that attend any movement of flawed, fallible fallen men, is also telling.

    3] “if you look back in Muslim history you will known that nations came to the religion, and countries accepted the way of Islam without any war”

    And what of how Islam spread to Arabia under Mohammed, then across Asia, North Africa and Europe in the following 100 years — foundational years?

    In short, here we see a major double standard, demonstrated by citing an atypical example [Indonesia] and suppressing the major waves of Islamic conquest, including by the founder of Islam.

    4] “We read laws of the religion translated by a non Muslim person and are gullible enough to trust them without thinking about it ourself”

    Really now!

    As the person who originally quoted Marmaduke Pickthal, I take this one personally. Pickthal was a famous British convert to Islam, and an expert in Arabic whose translation has been well received — if anything it tones down for western ears. Other similar translations by Youssuf Ali etc are saying the same thing,and the consensus of Islamic scholarship is not in doubt, nor is the testimony of objective history.

    Worse, if you follow up my links you will see that I am citing from an Islamic web site, by an official Muslim group, for use in islamisation.

    Routinely, the Pickthal, Youssuf Ali and so on translations are used when it suits Muslims in propagation of the religion, but point out just what is taught and the pretence is made that the verses in question — well over 100 in aggregate and in a historical and situational context that makes the meaning all too plain — are not translated or understood properly.

    Sorry, we were not born just this morning.

    5] ” Bilal ”

    Manumission is not morally anchored abolition of slavery.

    Many captives in the jihad wars under Mohammed and his early successors were enslaved. Saudi Arabia finally officially outlawed slavery in 1962. As noted, in Sudan the trade an the practice still continue.

    For that matter, what was the precise status of Mary the Copt . . . Mohammed’s concubine/wife?

    And more . . .

    6] Saudi-Supplied Children’s Textbooks

    The issue is objectively established, not a hypothetical to be covered over by quoting earlier surahs and ayas in which Mohammed was trying to reach out to the Christians.

    The relevant issue for the current situation — including the ongoing jihad in Indonesia — is 9:29 ff, in which Christians and Jews are given as plunder to the Islamists, and in which the claim is made that the leaders of the faiths as we know it have fraudulently manipulated the sources. In other texts in the Hadiths, we find the roots of the apes and pigs teachings. And we know the hadiths as a body are also considered sacred, normative material.

    Sorry, this one is slander, it is advocacy of imperialism and apartheid, and it fails to fairly face the question of abrogation and its implication.

    Namely, that the earlier irenic texts are in practice subsumed under the later, aggressive ones. To this, history and current events bear massive witness.

    The challenge to Islam is to frankly face the issues concerned people are raising, not to hide them under misleading rhetoric. Then having faced them, the further challenge is to follow the example of C16 Christianity and initiate serious reform.

    7] “the majority of the Muslims in Trinidad do not ‘adhere to the teachings of Imam Abu Bakr ( of the Jamat ul Muslimeen)’. He is not seen as the final authority or the leading scholar or Imam in the country.”

    He is able to attract a critical mass of followers who have already plunged Trinidad into bloodshed and chaos before our watching eyes.

    In so doing, he is appealing to historically telling and threatening passages in the Quran and to troubling examples. When we see those who try to speak up for Islam, we see therhetoric of distraction when this comes up, not serious addresing of theissue.

    That underscores our underlying concerns.

    _______________

    Sorry, it is time to wake up and get serious about what we are looking at.

    GEM of TKI

  51. Barbados needs Saudi funded schools like it needs a volcano (Soufriere).

    When I visited Barbados I noted that Christianity is very strong and the people, I believe, are Anglican.

    The Saudis should be allowed to come to
    Barbados, when Anglicans are allowed to have churches, in Saudi Arabia. Churches and (Jewish) temples are illegal in Saudi Arabia.

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  53. fund

    i will like to buld islamic school

  54. Anonymous

    I’m an Arab Muslim that moved over to Barbados from Canada. I really hope if I run into some of you people, that you take the time to know me and not pre-judge. You might be positively surprised. So far, everyone that I met has been amazing here and very helpful. Barbados feels like home. I have many friends in Canada that are of mixed races and religoions and we get along. It’s sad but a lot of people let culture pollute some of the core vaulues of the religion. I am not a Kuwaiti but I grew up going to their schools. The only Apes and Pigs I ever learned about were in the zoo 🙂 So don’t assume, and get to know your neighbor no matter what they look like. There are a lot of people like me out there. The media tends to generalize too much.

  55. Daley Reece

    Muslims do not believe that Jesus died. They based this belief on what the Qua’ran says. But both the Qua’ran and the Bible claim to be inspired, so we can’t settle it by appealing to that. Further, many other religious books claim to be inspiered of God; but that’s all it is, a claim. What must settle the issue is evidence. What’s the Bible’s evidence that Jesus did die for us?

    (1) Some of the writers were eyewitnesses, others got their information from eyewitnesses. (Luke 1:1-4; 1 John 1:1-5; 2 Pet 1:16-21; 1 Cor 15:1-9)
    (2) First century historians who were enemies of Christianity admitted that Christ death was true. Jewish historian Josephus writing in 93 CE., and Roman historian Tacitus writing about 100 C.E. (Jewish Antiquities bk 18:63,64; The Annals bk 15:44)
    They are other reasons, but I just wonder what reasons Muslims have for believing the Quaran’s version of Christ’ life, since there is no first or even second century evidence to confirm it, and Mohammed was not an eyewitness of the events?

    daleyveneita@live.com

  56. vlc

    The world is facing sever economic hardship and and civil protest. This increases the likely-hood that society will close in on itself and choose much more radical leaders. This is in fact what happened to much of Islam. It used to be a leader in the sciences. So it’s very important that everything is done to encourage positive change and not just let things run their course. I’m quite convinced that the brand of Islam we are unhappy with is completely incompatible with our way of life. However, there are more enlightened aspects of Islam. One very significant group known by some as ‘the root of the root of Islam’ is to be strongly encouraged. They are not just tolerant of others (tolerance takes very little effort) but actively seek to be more understanding of others and of themselves. They value education very highly because they see that an understanding of God’s creation brings one closer to the Creator; so they value education for their daughters as well as their sons in sciences, mathematics, philosophy, etc. They are sophisticated, highly educated and successful as a group; respected and not susceptible to violent propaganda because they can achieve success and fulfilment without it. These wise and spiritually or mystically minded Muslim have contributed hugely to Islamic literature for example Rumi, Omar Khayyám and Al-Ghazali. They have a lot to contribute to any society. Individuals in this dimension of Islam are known as Sufi.

  57. Muslim Bajan

    Hi BFP,

    I think you guys need to come from behind your Veils and see how the Muslims in Barbados practice their Islam. There is a History of Tolerance between Muslims and Christians in this land since the first set of muslims came to this Island back in the late 1920’s. I sense a deliberate
    attempt by you guys to create this friction which is Alien to bajan society. Ask any Bajan from Grape Hall to SilverSands . I thinkk BFP need to contact the Muslim Community( to speak to a qualified Scholar ) and try to get the facts on what is being taught here( and not rely on information from people with an agenda) and I’m sure you’ll be shocked to know that what ideas you are speculating in this article about the litreature is not present here. Further more all Litreature present in any Mosque or School has been carefully screened to ensure the accuracy of the contents. It is unfortunate that you are always willing to speculate and not try to get the facts.

  58. Bagehot

    BFP, stop living in the past….and I mean that in more ways than one. By the waY, what does the Bible say about slavery, women?

  59. Jack Bowman

    BFP says:

    “We’ll be running a few articles in the next few weeks about Islam’s position on slavery, women’s rights and freedom of religion.”

    Oh, goodie. So now I’ll have to dig out my stowed-away version of Leviticus.

    When you start running the few articles, BFP, please count me in as a discussant.

  60. dismanhey

    now i’m thinking …well we have a lot on our plates .i.e. a damning state department report which touches on prostitution and human trafficking (subjugation of women) ,child sex ,and exploitation of illegal workers , all happening in our pious society which we reminded of in every Monday’s edition;
    we had a national day of prayer for our ailing leader who has failed to disclosed his illness despite promises and we all know that tests don’t take that long..,
    but alas ,no : we will discuss the latest and fashionable phobia sweeping the western media ala you guessed it : FOX news .. on a topic which has no bearing upon us and of which we have so little grasped of.
    go ahead and get your hits, and hey maybe some joker will start a new online petition….very very small fish in an ocean

  61. kolijbajan

    Ok, Salafi. you win the BS award in the Spin Zone.

    The only reason Muslins can’t lay claim to hi-tech methods of eradicating humans is that they have sat in their caves and tents longer than others and did not have the smarts to do so. But they had more that enough desire!

    It is interesting to note that Iran and such are trying to reverse the trend of backward looking focus of Muslin societies because they see no other means to reverse the loss of power globally. This will be a long struggle that will not be successful because their repression of their own people creates unacceptable pressures at home, far less trying to “expore” their BS to others.

    To keep the issue centered in the No Spin Zone, would any Islamic country in the world allow a Christian school to be set up, and if it did, would they allow that school to teach children that Muslims are pigs and backward in their beliefs? Cut the BS, because we know the answer.

    The solution is simple: Barbados and others should allow diversity of religion unless their teachings become wepons of hate. A strong legistative standard of what is acceptable needs to be developed to measure these teaching, and quick action taken to stop the crap being used to BS our children. Barbados is a Christian country as Saudi and others are Islamic. We do NOT have to apologize for this by allowing some more religions more “leeway” in their means or worship.

    Would we allow a white supremist group to set up shop here and do the same thing? Let’s stop the spin and use judgement of our population and elected officilas (I know this is a stretch) to do the right thing.

  62. Observer

    On a small rock such as ours we cannot afford the luxury of any type of strife… all efforts should be aimed at the relatively seamless integration of our people – black, white, brown, Islam, Christian, rich, poor, etc.

    Religion while it serves as providing a moral compass for some, on the other hand it has been used by many over the centuries to drive a wedge between brothers, sisters, nations, ethnic groups, etc.

    Let us be careful how we embrace religion – in this case Muslim or Christian. We should leave fanaticism aside and try our best to respect the views of our fellow countrymen.

    I am extremely wary of religious extremist and I do sincerely believe that such monsters exist in our midst. Some call themselves Christian while other are Muslim.

    I do think that level headed persons should start a jihad to rid our shores of anyone using religious labels in order to demean a fellow Bajan. I hereby call on Harry Russell, BFP, and some of my fellow Bajans in New Kensington to temper your rhetoric. For your failure to do such is likely to result in further dividing our already deeply splintered nation.

  63. Jack Bowman

    kolijbajan says:

    “Would any Islamic country in the world allow a Christian school to be set up … Cut the BS, because we know the answer.”

    Actually, it’s painfully obvious that you do not know the answer, a circumstance that calls into question your cognition.

    Even a schoolchild, in two minutes, can learn that Christian schools operate without let or hindrance in the world’s biggest Muslim country.

  64. BFP

    Hi Jack

    The world’s largest Muslim country would be Indonesia with 202 million Muslims or so in its population.

    A few headlines about Christians in Indonesia might be in order…

    June 28, 2010: Muslim Groups Talk War Over ‘Christianization’

    Muslims behead 3 Christian school girls

    Extreme violence and persecution against Christians in Indonesia has taken a new dramatic turn at the weekend as three Christian school girls were barbarically beheaded by masked attackers.

    The shocking news has stunned the region, and is the latest in a long line of religious attacks in the country.

    The three girls were attending a private Christian school in the highly tense province of Central Sulawesi. The three were attacked by unidentified assailants, and a fourth girl was left seriously wounded.

    Police in the region commented that sickeningly one of the girl’s heads was taken and placed by the attackers in front of a new Christian church, and the other two taken and placed outside the police station.

    WARNING: GRAPHIC PHOTOS… Jack, if you’d like to see photos of some Indonesian Christians attending Christian schools as you say “without hindrance” you can check it out here>>> … Atlas Shrugs: Islamic Jihad in Indonesia

    Further headlines about how wonderful life is for Indonesian Christians…

    Seventeen Churches Closed Down in Aceh

    The authorities gave no reason for these closures that have deprived over 10,000 Christians of places to meet for worship. One congregation has tried to
    meet in the open air in a palm oil plantation. Christians in Aceh have been under increasing pressure since the implementation of Shari’ah (Islamic law) in
    the province in March 2002. Although Shari’ah regulations were only supposed to apply to Muslims, Christian women are being forced to conform to Islamic dress codes. Aceh is a strongly Islamic province and the implementation of Shari’ah was allowed by the national government as part of a special autonomy agreement aimed at countering a violent separatist movement fighting for an independent Islamic state in Aceh. As a result Christians are facing
    increasing difficulties and opposition.

    Forced Conversions, Circumcision in Moluccas

    Islamic Groups Shut Down Worship of Church in Indonesia

    Islamic militants kill 50 Christians in raid on Indonesian island

    Imprisoned Christian Sunday School Teachers in Indonesia Establish Church

    Christian Persecution in Indonesia Escalates in Street Attacks

    Indonesia: Aceh’s religious police regent says women in jeans make Muslims want to rape

  65. Jack Bowman

    @ BFP

    Ah, you got me on that one.

    I was just trying to keep the conversation lively.

    All best.

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  67. taseti

    christianity and islam are just different sides of the same coin.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKOZp_JVOSo .

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