Blogging Around Barbados: BIM Has A Tough Day, Downtown Smells, and Sir Roy Says “Make Sure Your Local Merchant Has Dark-Enough Skin”

I have been lazy lately and didn’t post this last night even though I promised the others that I would put something up. Didn’t even get to church on Sunday let alone to the big ceremony. Too tired. My other BFP friends caused enough trouble yesterday, so today I’ll have a look around near and far to see what might be seen…

Is There Anybody Out There?

Our friend BIM at Is There Anybody Out There? blog had a rough day at the PTA fundraiser. Drop over and cheer her up!

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Nothing Like The Smell Of Urine Downtown! It Smells Like… Victory! (But Not For Decent Citizens)

Got a little carried away with one of the lines from Apocalypse Now as the war to see who owns Bridgetown continues. So far the tourists and business people are being defeated by smelly drug addicts, criminals, lazy bums and the mentally ill that society has abandoned – all politely called “street characters” by The Nation News.

See the story in The Nation News: Keep Out Vagrants!

Sir Roy Says “Make Sure The People You Do Business With Have Dark Enough Skin”

Yup – that’s pretty well what Sir Roy Trotman, the general secretary of the Barbados Workers’ Union, said in a church service Sunday. (link here)

Sir Roy, you are so 1960’s. You wouldn’t like my son at all – his skin is much too light for your racial standards. I like him just fine, though.

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44 responses to “Blogging Around Barbados: BIM Has A Tough Day, Downtown Smells, and Sir Roy Says “Make Sure Your Local Merchant Has Dark-Enough Skin”

  1. akabozik

    Sir Roy Says “Make Sure The People You Do Business With Have Dark Enough Skin”

    … can’t we all just get along?

  2. Bajanboy

    People who focus on race as an explantion or excuse for their success or failure in business are missing an important point. Consumers today in Barbados do not really care about white, black or indian. Instead, quality, competitive prices and excellent service are what consumers care about.

    In the late 1990s, the Barbados government government leased the old Harbour Police Station to a group of 10 black small business owners for a modest rent. This group contained the most successful black businessmen in Barbados at the time such as Rawle Branker and Andrew Bynoe. The aim was to show that black business owners could come together an develop and operate a sucessful tourism business, The Bayshore Complex. It failed and has now be taken over by the owners of the Boatyard.

    What is the moral of this story? Using race as a foundation on which to base the development and growth of any business is dooming it to failure.

  3. shoreline

    Bajanboy a sorry tale on Bayshore. I concede some black businessmen clueless especially running beachfront tourism enterprises.

    Fact is white tourism busineses over the years have squeezed out black businesses by making sure they dont get any customers.

    Check the tourist industry .Whites control from top to bottom. The means of production so to speak.That control my friend is based on race. Not a frig to do with biz acumen.

    Isnt that fellow at Boatyard a two time convict? Now you say he take over Bayshore. Any laws against convicts operating businesses ..anyone?

    The moral of your story is false in bimshire. Whites blatantly do not support black businesses. Sir Trotman knows of what he speaks.

  4. ME

    Two time convict. ?
    what was he guilty of, any major crime. While I support your point of view, your argument stinks.

  5. RRRicky

    Roy Trotman is living in the ’60s alright, the 1860’s.

    I moved on from the colour of my skin two decades ago. I AM ME

  6. Anonymous

    God Bless! Is this what Barbados is really like?

  7. West Side Davie

    Part of Barbados is like this. Part is not.

  8. Hurricane

    Shoreline is full of sh*t. Typical ‘blame whitey for all my troubles’ tune. YAWN!. How on earth can white businesses ‘make sure black tourism business get no customers’. Rubbish. Those mental shackles chafing you, b*tch? BTW, no, there are no laws preventing convicts from operating business in Bim. No laws for non-convicted criminals either apparently. Look at what Grant did to Sam Lords Castle. Whitey’s fault too? Maybe we need MORE convicted criminals like Defreitas running tourism projects, seeing as he is a runaway success… wait a minute… GEMS… oh sorry, those criminals have’nt been tried yet. Carry ya ras fool.

  9. Bajanboy

    Hurricane, don’t be so tough on Shoreline. There is some merit to his arguement. However, life is not fair and the business environment it is even less fair. Businesses can gain a competitive advantage in a number of ways. If Bayshore could not get cruise passengers because Foster and Ince preferred to deal with the Boatyard, it is because they are both white owned businesses, or because the Boatyard offered a better product. I am sure it was because of a bit of both.

  10. Hurricane

    Bajanboy, are you trying to tell me that there are no black owned tour operators that can carry tourists to Bayshore, barely two miles from the seaport? Indar Weir is a trot down Bay Street, and from what I can tell almost every taxi driver operating from the seaport is black. So why is it incumbent on Foster and Ince or any other white owned business to ferry customers to Bayshore’s doorstep? Why did they not send their own transport to pick up tourist, as Defreitas does? White business will soon tire of being the whipping boy for the failure of others, when quite often the opposite is true. Ask Eddie in Speightstown who his greatest supporter is in the local business community, aside from his customer base. His initials are RLS. That ‘black’ consortium was handed a gilded gift in Bayshore by our government, with taxpayers property, and they SQUANDERED it. PERIOD. They should take full responsibility for that, not blame the ‘White Business Boogeyman’. Boogeymen are the constucts of children. WHAAAHHH!!!

  11. gunslinger

    bajanboy – please don’t talk what you don’t know. people in the business know yr argument is utter crap

  12. Anonymous

    oh my the whites are out in full force tonight. which one of yall representing the highgate gardens posse?

  13. John

    Isn’t success or failure in business n some way dependent on the ability to build a family?

    Write down all the successful businesses, black and white and see if this isn’t true. Concentrate on the businesses who have been around for decades.

    If you then throw in the Indian, Moslem and other races you will get a surprise!!

    Anyway, back on track on the street characters.

    Hope this lot won’t decide to do what was done in Jamaica and send in the arny to sweep the streets clean for CWC!!

  14. Reparation

    Hey Anonymous yuh ball nick outside edge first slip gobble it. Hurricane out.
    Methinks they all represent Highgate posse. Shoreline argument got dem by short and curlies.
    What Indar Weir got to do with it.

    Look I onside wid shoreline.
    The truth hurts. Hurricane in pain.
    Vex cause truth is out. Racism alive in bimsha.
    When dat finish everybody white, black , others got equal opportunity tuh prosper.

  15. Bajanboy

    All I was saying is that there may be some truth to the belief that some white owned businesses may prefer to deal with other white owned businesses due to friendships or family connections, but this should not be used as a convenient scapegoat when a black owned business fails. Bayshore failed because it was badly run, and not because it was black owned or conspired against by white owned businesses.

    Correlations among business ownership, race and control of the economy is such an emotive topic and the truth is that supporters of both sides lack hard data to support their views, and therefore must rely on anecdotal evidence and their own prejudices and stereotypes to support their claims.

  16. reality check

    lets raise this issue to a little higher level folks.

    of course opportunity should be given to everyone who is capable of earning it but to a large extent this is created from such fundamental things as a strong family unit who believes in education, hard work, helping your other family members and neighbours ( networking ) and above all respect for others regardless of race or other such criteria which a person has no control over.

    I am assuming Sir Roy has some basic level of education and should know better than to play the race card. This drags us all down from what should be issues of moving us forward and upward.

  17. Hants

    Racism, apartheid, race based hatred is certainly raising its ugly head in the above comments.

    It is better that you use this medium to let off steam and keep your nastiness from your daily actions.

    The difficulty is that the underlying current of racism in Barbados will take more time to root out and will require tolerance by all races.

  18. Red

    Reality Check – Of course Sir Roy has some basic level of education, that is exactly why he plays the race card.

    Try explaining to a congregation or assembly that social class is what makes people different.

    First, people have been fed the line for years that colour makes us different, so you have to uneducate your audience.

    Second, it is far simpler to scapegoat using Black and White since people can easily see that as a difference. It is harder to identify someone as Middle Class when you look at them.

    Until people realise that life is a class struggle they will continue to be at a disadvantage. Government needs to do more to improve the earning capability of the working classes (it can’t be THAT hard to improve minimum wages in Barbados by an act of Parliament). The social equalisation programs of the 1960s and 1970s have been effective, but they have grown stagnant since as recent politicians are more centred of self-service as opposed to serving the people.

  19. jude

    Sir Roy Says “Make Sure The People You Do Business With Have Dark Enough Skin”

    Is this an actual quote or just your interpretation of what you think Sir Roy meant? I see no reference to anything like that in the article … I think your blog is trying to stir up racial tension and could be viewed as an offence against the laws of Barbados. You should be more careful what you publish.

  20. liz

    election coming – distraction needed –
    make race a huge issue – standard practice

  21. Anonymous

    Sir Roy Says “Make Sure The People You Do Business With Have Dark Enough Skin”

    Is this an actual quote or just your interpretation of what you think Sir Roy meant? I see no reference to anything like that in the article … I think your blog is trying to stir up racial tension and could be viewed as an offence against the laws of Barbados. You should be more careful what you publish.
    ———

    You’re right. But this site is all about sensationalism and scandal. The asses they are…

  22. K23B7

    I understand BFP’s statement and it is a paraphrase of what Sir Roy said.

    What Sir Roy said is the problem and that is what BFP is highlighting. Sir Roy called upon black people to make their purchasing and business decisions based upon the race / skin colour of the store owner.

    This type of foul statement has been acceptable in Barbados for years. Same as PM Owen’s “negrocrat” taunts.

    Can you imagine the horror if a white person had of addressed a white congregation in the same manner as Sir Roy except to tell white folks to buy from white-owned businesses?

    We have a double standard in Barbados: It is OK to make public race-based business decisions if you are black, but not if you are of white or indian coloured skin.

    BFP upsets some people because it cut through the crap and pointed out what Sir Roy really said.

  23. Anonymous

    oh dear another whitey. the whites or indians wouldnt need to tell their people to patronize them. it is obvious that they already DO. all sir roy asked is for blacks to do more of the same thing. u self righteous idiots always trying to look victimized.

  24. K23B7

    I guarantee that my skin is darker than anyone here. 100%

    kwa heri

  25. Cleanup Time?

    For YEARS,now…I’ve been saying that,
    as a Tourism Country!,
    we should have all the paro’s and vagrants off our Tourism Streets!
    It simply looks bad.

    And not just for the duration of Cricket-07, but for all time!

    And if we need to build a new wing onto the existing Mental,
    or practice euthanasia for these fine citizens of ours,
    then DO so, but for God’s sake DO something, anything!

  26. K23B7

    Euthanasia?

    We already have cultural euthanasia going on full bore and these homeless are part of the fallout.

  27. Cleanup Time?

    I’m not talking cultural…I’m talking the real thing.
    geting rid of absolutely useless ppl who are absolutely useless by their own hand, by their own doing.
    Are you waiting for global human population to reach 9 billion, before you start the euthanasia thing?, because it’s coming, you know?
    -that is for sure..you can bank money on it, as politically incorrect as it sounds…even if it is to get rid of the lesser examples of us
    exalted human beings, and not just mere stray dogs.

  28. Carson C. Cadogan

    Is there something wrong with what Sir Roy said?

  29. Father Time

    Actually no ..there is nothing wrong with what SirRoy said.

    The dismaying thing is that he should have to tell his fellow black ppl to support their own!!

  30. akabozik

    Father time said “Actually no ..there is nothing wrong with what SirRoy said.

    The dismaying thing is that he should have to tell his fellow black ppl to support their own!!”

    Would fathertime agree that there is nothing wrong then with white ppl telling white ppl to “support their own!!”

    You can’t have it both ways. Either this type of behavior and language is ok for everyone or it is not.

  31. Senator Trotman’s remarks were so mild that he would never be accused of “Playing the Race Card” were they not blown up by BFP’s headline into a race issue.

    When accused by Anon and Jude of “trying to stir up racial tension” BFP admitted, “You’re right. But this site is all about sensationalism and scandal.”

    K23B7 correctly states, “We have double standards in Barbados. It is OK to make public race-based business decisions if you are black, but not if you are white…”

    Fanning the race issue, the way BFP does, may be healthy for blog activity, but is it good for Barbados? With more an more people overseas tuning in, they will get a distorted impression.

    *****************

    Comment by George on this comment by Pandora…

    Pandora said…

    “When accused by Anon and Jude of “trying to stir up racial tension” BFP admitted, “You’re right. But this site is all about sensationalism and scandal.””

    Pandora… put your brain in gear and read who said the words before writing such nonsense. BFP said no such thing. BLP’s Anonymous said it.

    George

  32. The White Rabbit

    So who is white and who is black? As an acquaintance has pointed out, nobody is white and nobody is black, We, as humans, are all brown, some tending toward a darker brown and some toward a lighter brown, but all brown nonetheless. By even using the terms “white” and “black” we exacerbate the problem by setting up a non-existant polarity. If one took all the people of Barbados and put them in a line starting at one end with the darkest of the browns and grading to the lightest of the browns at the other, nobody, and I mean nobody, could ever tell where to draw the lines to separate the “races”. That there are self-identifying groups that interact together cannot be denied, but the basis of those groups is not race. We now find people talking about “whites”, “blacks”, and “Indians”, and soon to be singled out will be Syrians, Lebanese, etc, as if, somehow, these groups constitute “races”. In India the populaton ranges from Dravidians who might come close to passing for “black” on the basis of skin color to Aryans (not used in the Nazi sense of the word) who would easily pass for “white” based on the faulty assumptions of those who need more education on what actually defines self-selecting groups. Do “Indians” thus constitute a “race”? If so which one? Would Syrians or Lebanse constitute a “race”? If so which one? How much “black” must a person have to be “black”? How much “white” to be “white”? The White Rabbit (used here only in the Alice-in-Wonderland sense) suggests that as long as we employ terminology that is faulty our conclusions and our actions will be faulty. There is no “white” and there is no “black”, there is only being brown, there is only being human. Let us not look at the external configuration of a person to evaluate worth, let us look at how that person treats other people to see who we want to be our friends.

  33. BFP

    Pandora said…

    “When accused by Anon and Jude of “trying to stir up racial tension” BFP admitted, “You’re right. But this site is all about sensationalism and scandal.””

    Pandora… put your brain in gear and read who said the words before writing such nonsense. BFP said no such thing. BLP’s Anonymous said it.

    George

  34. Hurricane

    Anonymous says…’u self righteous idiots always trying to look victimized’
    Pot calling the kettle black? HAHAHAHA what a dope.

  35. Indo

    I glad this topic turn out the way it has. BFP put a purposely scandalous and sensational headline, and white idiots and black fools arguing between themselves who dirtier. Interesting.

  36. Hurricane

    And yet another pot of dope…

  37. Kathy

    Saying that black businesses need extra support is insulting to black businesses. People of all shades should support deserving businesses impartially – where there is merit, go there. Success comes from hard work and talent. I consider myself colour-blind in the area of supporting businesses. If I find a good service or product, that is where I will go (except that I would prefer not to add any more profits to any close cronies of the current government, who are probably getting enough sweetness as it is). I will not buy the Nation or the Advocate again.

    I look at the stories of the heroes of Barbados and think about how some of them succeeded against great odds, some coming from very poor beginnings. That is what Barbados is all about – not getting a hand-out, but striving for excellence and achieving greatness.

  38. Father Time

    “Would Father Time agree that there is nothing wrong then with white ppl telling white ppl to “support their own!!” ? ”
    ………..
    Father Time agrees that it is entirely okay for Whites to tell whites to support whites.

    Father Time realizes that Political Correctness is dividing us, and causing weird stances.

    Father Time grants permission for birds of a feather to flock together,
    as is our natural human inclination.

    Father Time recognizes that racism is a natural human condition which Political Correctness seeks to artificially suppress,
    and that said racism doesn’t necessarily have to come to acrimony or blows, although it’s there, all the time:
    we are learning to control it quite well, and much of our island rancour is caused by overcrowding on this tiny island, more than any other factor,
    – a condition most Bajans are unaware of
    (Bajans think that 1,600+ ppl. per sq. mi. is the norm: – it’s not!)

    Father Time is ‘kinda-white’ but has several good “black” friends, particularly down de islands, where Bajan Racism is seen as being to our national detriment!

    Father Time further recognizes Bajan Storms in Teacups and slow news days!,
    and that most Bajans couldn’t care one whit who owns a store
    as long as the prices can compare wid S.Y.Adam,
    whose $14.95 sandals I wear to death, and proudly inform anyone who cares to know!

    Father Time sez Money Rules All.

  39. John

    Singapore has I believe 4 million people on 228 square miles.

    Now that’s over crowding, about 8 times worse than BIM.

    Search the net and see how they deal with water and garbage.

    It is as they say, “just beyond the imagination” of the politicians we have.

  40. Anon 2

    This classification thing is for the pro’s. Forget the tourism aspect…what about agriculture?
    Let’s try this one…BUY BAJAN!
    (lol…that would be good if only I knew what percentage of the labour had to be Bajan to ensure I was buying Bajan and not well…I dunno..Guyaneese?)

    We go around in circles re: race on this website.

    Let’s talk about solutions for our island so our young people have a future here…anyone interested let me know. I’m tired of the years of waiting on the government to provide solutions.

  41. BFP- OK, my brain was out of gear. I thought Anon’s comment ended at the little line and that BFP had added the final part. Silly error. I will try and be more careful. (But my criticism of fanning the flames of racialism unnecessarily still applies).

  42. BFP

    Hi pandora

    Thanks for coming by. We may not always agree, but you bring some considered opinions and comments to BFP and we appreciate that.

    Cliverton

    … and we’ve spoken to old George about the “brain in gear” comments. He’s kind of curmudgeonly sometimes but he means well! (He is the oldest of all of us – really old!) 🙂

  43. John

    Race and Colour are the most emotive topics in Barbados and on BFP.

    The more we talk about them the more we realise that they are not such insuperable problems.

    Talking about these issues shines light on them and the evils associated with ignorance can shrivel up and die.

    The longer I live the more I realise that it is natural to be around other humans, and to wish one another well and not harm. Colour is irrelevant.

    I think the politicians and hangers on of the 60’s onwards have alot to answer for where stirring up hated is concerned, but guess what, many of them are dead and gone long and possibly doing their answering elsewhere.

    Talk, shine light on the issues, express opinions freely. All of a sudden we will realise that there are far more important issues in life ….. and we will move on.

  44. indian

    hellow everyone i am a indian it doesnt mean that i don’t like black i think in life you should like everyone because u don’t when you in your death bed who would come and look after you. I am family to Sy Adam and the owner of that store always tell us he gone stay on his two feet and help the bajans people in barbados would cry if Sy Adam & Son had to close down because few stores only have they prices low because of Sy Adam & Son reason they would cry because some bajan works for less money and they have children bills to pay ect that why the ower like to bring in school clothes to help the bajans its not about making money or anything like it he doing to help out the poor and i think in life that what i would like to do people shouldnt be racist nor think there no one like them because today u would have alot and tomorw you wouldnt never think full of yours self because you would never no when you would go down.