More Barbados Cops Leaving

The best that Police Commissioner Dottin can do is to try and keep them until after Cricket World Cup… and then they are out of here. This is not Commissioner Dottin’s fault – he has been ordered to make bricks without straw.

Twelve good officers leaving because the Government of Barbados pays them less than the chaps who drive the garbage trucks.

Read it and weep…

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27 responses to “More Barbados Cops Leaving

  1. Anonymous-

    “the Government of Barbados pays them less than the chaps who drive the garbage trucks.”

    I have never driven a ‘garbage truck’ and I find this offensive. Are these chaps lesser people than the police, in your opinion? Also, have you considered the number of these ‘chaps’ in relation to the size of the RBPF? The cumulative wage that all of these SSA truck drivers get is less than that of the much larger RBPF.

    You should also try to cite your sources. It makes me believe that none of you has ever ventured past secondary school. Where is the data that shows that they are paid less than SSA truck drivers?

  2. RRRicky

    I understand BFP’s point and obviously so do the police who are quitting.

    I also understand that being a police officer requires a higher level of education, skills and training than a garbage worker.

    The government obviously does’t understand that simple fact and from your comment neither do you.

    Anonymous it is sooooooooo obvious that you are assigned to post on BFP as your job. There is maybe even more than one of you because you post 24 hours a day.

  3. Carl Moore

    Fast forward 10 years

    Over 130 vacancies in the Royal Barbados Police Force and no Barbadians interested? This is a very serious matter.

    Fast forward ten years ahead: those positions are now filled (as they must be), by “foreigners”; not those who work on building sites, or the cane fields and other jobs Barbadians don’t want to do, but those who will be enforcing the laws, reporting law-breakers, arresting Bajans.

    Talk about xenophobia? We ain’t seen nothing yet! It may not be such a bad thing in the long run.

    Carl Moore

    November 24, 2006

  4. BFP

    Excellent point, Carl

    Cliverton

  5. Anonymous-

    Anonymous it is sooooooooo obvious that you are assigned to post on BFP as your job. There is maybe even more than one of you because you post 24 hours a day.
    ..

    You could also think of me of the party Santa spreading Christmas cheer and fighting the BFP grinch.. to add to your silly suggestions.

    In any event you will all be rid of me by month end. I retire in six days to a lovely house overlooking Lugano with the wife. BFP and all that comes with it will be the last thing on my mind.

  6. RRRicky

    Anonymous has been sitting at his desk for the past month with nothing to do. Out to pasture with the old ideas and those who cannot contibute in a worthwhile manner any longer, eh?

    I’ll never be able to retire. Never. Work til ur dead is going to be the new rule on this island. Already raised the retirement age and they will do so again.

  7. John

    St. Lucia just brought in 9 British policemen, why don’t we!!

  8. Adrian

    Anony-mousE- says:
    You should also try to cite your sources. It makes me believe that none of you has ever ventured past secondary school. Where is the data that shows that they are paid less than SSA truck drivers?
    ————————————————————

    ….If you are going to find fault with their opinions, you are also charged with presenting counter arguments, complete with your own set of facts, to disprove BFP assertions. I am sure no one will think of questioning whether you attended a post secondary/tertiary educational institution, but some may question if the time there was well spent. 😀

    …so where is your proof that the BFP’s Police/Garbage Collector’s pay scale differences is incorrect? Demonstrate to us why you were awarded a post secondary academic paper trophy. 😀

  9. Hants

    Why not start Police officers salaries at $40.000 per year.
    A Policeman has to wear clean uniforms and detectives have to wear decent clothes except when the go undercover.
    They face a higher level of danger than he average person.
    Their job requires a high level of discipline.
    They provide the security and the rule of law and order.
    Prehaps the Government should spend less on luxury vehicles and pay the Police a decent Salary. I am sure more Young men would join the force.

  10. Hants, do you kno how much money $40.000?.

  11. Hants, do you kno how much money $40.000? is.

    Other then my correction…
    So what do we do, lower the truck drivers pay ? haha

  12. Hants

    Disposable Arts that works out to $3300 a month before taxes.
    If you live in Barbados you can tell me what kind of House,what kind of car and what decent food a person can afford on $2400 a month in after tax income.

  13. Littleboy56@caribsurf.com

    How come we cannot pay the police well but a minister recently spent $56,000.00 of Government’s (taxpayers’) money on a trip to Australia?
    Another used only limousine service on a 9 day trip to England costing us 9 thousand pounds.
    Money is no problem but the problem will soon be “no money”.

  14. Pat

    Disposable arts thinks $40,000 a year for a policeman is a lot of money? I wonder what he makes. $40,000 a year is not even a good pension in Canada. It is about average.

  15. Pat and Hants you two are either idiots, or either blind…..read hants first post: “Why not start Police officers salaries at $40.000 per year.” Note, $40.000 IS NOT $40,000.

  16. Hants

    Disposable Arts please Temper your hostility ., I am sure everyone understands but to be sure, I meant 40 thousand dollars Barbados money per year which is thirty three hundred dollars a month before taxes.
    After tax that is twenty four hundred dollars a month.

    What is wrong with paying a Policeman that.

    In Barbados that is not a “middle class” salary.

  17. Spooky

    At the height of Police demand for higher wages Owen Arthur said the Police were not special in relationship to rest of civil service. I absolutely disagree. Police work is most dangerous of all that makes them different whether Owen likes it or not. I remember Hartley Reid, Police Union President weeping and offering up prayers for Owen to yield during that standoff. Did the Police get increased salaries? The Police deserve to be paid better. Someone mentioned other islands recruiting British cops. I say hell NO! That is neocolonialism and should never take place in Barbados.

  18. Hants

    I wonder how Police are not special when they provide protection for the citizens on Barbados.

    People forget that Police not only arrest criminals ans report bad drivers but they are called on to assist firemen and Ambulance personnel when there is a vehicular accident.
    After a Hurricane while the PM is safe in his mansion Policemen will be will be out helping the unfortunates.

    I think they deserve to be well paid.

  19. De Orginal

    I do believe tht the time is right for us in Barbados to recognise the public servants who suffer inconvenience and are expected to expose themselves to increasing dangers. I do believe our police officers, nurses, firemen and prison officers are grossly under paid. The legislation which governs the functioning of these entities is outdated and colonial but why change it ?? It serves to control and keep these dedicated members of our society oppressed. 130 vacancies where did they come from ? Sounds like an inflated figure to me. Am I to believe that only since April we have a police force short of 130 people. Why did no one notice this developing problem?? I guess as with everything else its not important in Barbados until it reaches crisis level.

    I do thing BFP should investigate further.

  20. Rumplestilskin

    It is very sad that we cannot recognise the efforts made by law enforcement over the years.

    Further, bear in mind that our (thus far) political and social stability has kept us above water economically.

    If our crime levels, for any reason, spiral to that experienced currently by Jamaica, Guyana and T&T, then kiss our economy goodbye.

    We have forsaken farming and manufacturing, we do not have extensive land for farming as does Guyana, we do not have the natural resources, nor are we as close to USA as Jamaica, we do not (not yet or that I know of..correct me if wrong) have T&T’s oil.

    We rely fully on the hospitality and service industries.

    Thus, we had better keep our house in order crime-wise.

    Recognise also that our Police and other legal officers are coming up against (for those who have not joined forces with) drug lords and organised crime. This is true hell, as drugs are currently destroying the world, not just Barbados.

    Recognition for their bravery and risks should be obvious.

    But, it appears that our priorities are in pouring concrete, paying debt interest and struttin’ our stuff….what little we have.

    Ah well…….

  21. Pat

    Disposable Arts why are you quibbling over the placement of a decimal and a comma? That is not the issue. I knew what Hants meant. In some countries $40.000 is legal for forty thousand.

    Back to the discussion, if the police are not well paid, then it leaves them open to taking bribes, corruption, theft, drug dealing, or closing a blind eye to criminal activity. I am surprised no one in government has yet realized this.

    Maybe that is the problem with the force. They dont feel appreciated and really dont care too much about mainting the law and public safety. Unless they are better paid, something is going to give.

  22. John

    Spooky

    I did not see the whole extract on TV but I got the impression that the 9 British police were high level cops, brought in to deal with among other things corruption.

    I have also heard the opinion stated that many of the tourists in St. Lucia are from the UK and some of the crime in St. Lucia has its origins in Britain.

    In Guadeloupe and Martinique which are still Departments of France, Gendarmes from France regularly exchange with local Gendarmes and one of the reasons I am told is to prevent the small island family relationships from clouding the crime issue.

    Guess this doesn’t have much of an impact on corruption as Barbados is supposed to be least corrupt country in the Caribbean.

    The presence of foreign police in Barbados has real potential benefits in the reduction in crime in the island and is not necessarily neocolonialism.

    There are about 1 million tourists who pass through this island during the course of a year.

    Perhaps a few well chosen exchanges might reduce crime in Barbados and with it the demand for more police officers recruited at the lower level.

    One of the results if the demand for recruits dropped because of the reduction in crime might very well be higher salaries for those charged with policing this island.

    Money and man/woman power alone will not solve the crime situation in Barbados.

  23. John

    Hang on a minute.

    If Martinique and Guadeloupe are Departments of France then their index of corruption must be what France’s index is.

    So maybe the Gendarme swap does work after all.

  24. John

    Here is a link to the Corruption Perceptions Index.

    http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi

    France and Barbados are in some ways similar.

    Over the last three year period, France’s performance has been when compared with Barbados’:

    2004 7.1 7.3
    2005 7.5 6.9
    2006 7.4 6.7

    France’s performance has been based on at least 7 surveys while Barbados’ has been based on at most 4 surveys.

    France has improved from 6.9 in 2003, dropping by 0.1 this year while for the last three years we have been consistently falling.

  25. John

    Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao are part of the Netherlands. Guess that means the CPI for the Netherlands applies to them as well. The CPI is 8.6.

    So there are 5 islands in the Caribbean which have better CPI’s than Barbados.

    These five islands have one thing which separates them from Barbados, …… they are part of a first world country!!

  26. kas

    Ordinary people in Barbados are afraid of the police. A woman was seen being beaten on up by a cop only last month for a traffic violation in broad daylight.People who witnessed this were told to move on aint your bussiness. Great advert for Barbados .

  27. JJ

    Glad I found this site…

    As a serving police officer in the mainland UK, I was seriously considering looking for a transfer to the island if it was feasible…I totally agree with Pat…the wages there will not encourage the right people with the level of honesty and integrity required to carry out the job. Considering the average UK Officer is earning the equivalent of $120,000 then it is going to be hard to recruit outside of the island. I appreciate the climate is far better than here, however will the lifestyle match?? On the current wages I doubt it…. Hopefully things will change and I’ll get my chance to police the island