Amazing Barbados Photo: Blacks, Whites, Asians, Mixed Races Attend Party Together! Actually Enjoy Each Other!

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Graeme Hall Nature Sanctuary Site Of Astounding Happening!

Yes, folks – we couldn’t believe it ourselves (what with all this talk of that one incident last week between a light-skinned homeowner and a dark-skinned young man – link here) – it is true that several hundred people of all races, colours and religion all met last Saturday at the Graeme Hall Nature Sanctuary, and actually enjoyed each other’s company!

The event was the official launch of the proposal to establish the Graeme Hall National Park – but it felt more like a party than a meeting to Shona and Marcus.

One Racial Incident At Party…

There was one very serious racial incident at the party though. For a few minutes around 5pm, the cash bar ran short of cold Banks beer and two men of different races argued over who would get the last cold one.

A Barbados Free Press reporter was there to witness the whole nasty incident…

“Please give the cold one to my friend here” said the one chap.

“No, I insist. Please have it yourself” said the other fellow.

“No. No. I don’t mind a warm beer. Besides, it’s almost cold” was the terse, racially-charged reply overheard by BFP.

This potential powder-keg of racial hatred was defused by our own Marcus, who had the presence of mind to say, “Well if you two idiots are going to continue holding up the line, I’ll take the last cold one.”

Well done, Marcus!

* Spot Marcus in the above photo and win absolutely nothing! 😉

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77 responses to “Amazing Barbados Photo: Blacks, Whites, Asians, Mixed Races Attend Party Together! Actually Enjoy Each Other!

  1. Hants

    Good public relations for Barbados. Well done BFP.
    Now we can sing that Trinidad calypso “all uh we is one” and Bob Marley’s “One love”.
    You should have made a video and sold to the BTA

  2. This more refelects the Barbados that I know and socialize in, I feel sorry for anyone that can’t say that they have had experiences like this.

  3. Green!

    This more reflects the Barbados “upper classes” (as the dregs would see it..)
    i.e. people with intelligence and careers,
    people who came from homes with Mummies and Daddies,
    people who grew up with Encyclopaedia Brittanica..
    (“whuh dah?”)

    Let’s visit The Pine,now..
    (from whence The Highgate Intruder came?)
    and we see an ENTIRELY different Barbados,
    with a Mudder, telling de chile
    “You just like you RaaaamGoat Fadder if/when I could find he, fuh de money fuh you new Timberlands – an’ you talkin bout you want whuh?
    – Hooked on Fonix?
    Whuh dah?”
    – not to mention
    “You want killin, jes’ like he! – I did never like you, OR he!”

    And so, our differences are really Class and Education, and our privileged view on a relatively-pleasant life.

    We have now arrived at the social situation where we have 3rd. and 4th. generation Unwanted Children.
    Let me make this plain for you.
    I’m talking about the unwanted children of unwanted children, of unwanted children of unwanted children.
    After a few generations of this,
    the abuse,neglect and ROUGH ‘lifestyles’ of these unfortunate Lesser Mortals starts to get into the DNA,if you will,
    and such humans(I find it hard to call them people)
    CANNOT mix with the nice folk depicted in the photo accompanying this article,
    for several reasons:
    1. They can’t speak English!
    2. Even if they could,
    they have difficulty communicating meaningfully!
    3. Even if they can communicate,
    there simply isn’t much in their little heads but Jamaican Dub Music,
    and the blood-spurting violence they so deliciously drink in at the video stores and gaming arcades
    where the ‘reality’ is to be baaaad!

    Am I connecting with you, on these points??
    SO. All dis idealistic talk of “All of we is one” is essentially theoretical only,
    nicely-Politically-Correct,
    but beyond that,
    it’s wildly impractical!

    So when one class meets the other
    sparks are gonna fly!

  4. Out Dey in Bim

    Very true Green.Some people who are not willing to face reality need to ponder on these things.
    I have found in B’dos that people tend to form streotypes of persons from different groups – whether class or racial groups.
    I have found it useful to remind myself when I am confronted with someone less fortunate or in unfortunate circumstances – I say – ‘there but for the grace of God go I.

  5. Im with you on that 100% Out Dey in Bim

  6. John

    Shine some light and watch the evil shrivel!!

    Imagine if we were in other countries with many times more unwanted people, where female babies are routinely disposed of to address the issue.

    Think Calcutta, Mother Theresa, light, darkness.

    Forget money and possessions, they will come if needed. Just get the priorities right.

    The example is there for each to follow.

  7. Edgar

    It is a pity that the photograph in the Nation was not a true representation of the makeup of the crowd present at Graeme Hall. However a good time was had by all and most importantly the concept of a National Park was launched. This is a wonderful opportunity for bajans of all classes and backgrounds to get involved and create a legacy for future generations of bajans and visitors to enjoy. To say nothing of addressing some of the engineering problems facing Graeme Hall presently.

    I noted that you made a passing reference to the very insulting paid ad by Matthew Kerins,which ran in the Advocate 2 days last week. I would urge you to post as it should be required reading for all Barbadians. I look forward with anticpation to the respondence from both the NAtion and the Freinds of Graeme Hall Committee.
    I urge Barbadians to sign the petition calling on the Govt to establish a NAtional PArk.

  8. I urge the Black people of Barbados particularly the ones that are not in the same class as Green and Andrew to not sign this petition. We need a WATERpark to compliment the existing 1000 + RUMshops to provide the pleasure we need to dull the pain of our miserable existance. Rum and Water has always been a good mix. People of Barbados, uh mean de real working poor, those of you who face a real threat of incarceration after being beaten black and blue, while being reminded that your are a no body, don’t be fool by these pictures, these people are of the same class, and you are not part of it, “know your place” as they would often say to you. Sign any petition with your interest not theirs.

  9. There is no way that anyone would get away with inflicting that kind of beating on my son. No way.

  10. rightvwrong

    Green—A Tale of Two Barbados—well put but unfortuneately dead on—and its all there for clever politicians to leverage and abuse for their own self interest so they can feed at the trough of international handouts ( or is that loans which can never be paid back )—never to make real or fundamental changes as the situation is almost past fixing and the money too powerful a drug.

    The National Park seems to be one thing for Barbadians that could have a real and lasting effect on the landscape and peoples lives. Lets see if citizens from both parties will get on board and make this happen?

  11. Jane

    Adrian, the majority of people who will be affected one way or another by the waterpark and do not want it there are not white. Do not let the reporting deceive you.

    This matter is about a cross-section of the Barbadian population spread over 4 constituencies!

    Check the facts for yourself then come back and let us know what you find out.

    Or better still google the area and see for yourself who will be affected. You may find that the people who do not even know what is going on will feel the impact first.

  12. Jane

    “There is no way that anyone would get away with inflicting that kind of beating on my son. No way.”

    Adrian, your son, whose picture you posted on another blog, will not be a criminal at 15 for obvious reasons. He will probably never have any criminal intent in his life.

    In Barbados there is a large young population who have not had the guidance of a loving, caring family who discipline them out of love. This is a very big problem here.

    I do not condone violence but I do believe in justice and fairness. So let this horrible matter take its course. None of us has the right to prejudge it without hearing the facts.

  13. Green!

    Green! has NO problem with a Splash Waterpark for Barbados,
    – just not at Graeme Hall!

    We’ve already relocated it to Carson Cadogan’s backyard,
    so the matter is settled.

    We HAVE a new location for the waterpark..
    so now both Kerins and Carson can be happy at last!
    Isn’t true love a wonderful thing?

  14. Edgar

    A National Park benefits ALL Bajans, not a chosen few from any particular class, colour or neighbour.
    It is time for us to start appreciating our country and doing things to protect the environment and the health of all bajans.

  15. Jane it is without saying that Mr. Goodridge and Son would have to save some of those licks for me. I can’t deny that if i were in there presense right now that i would not seek to infringe their rights with my foot, fist and whatever other impliments i may find.

    …..It is not a white of black thing for me. For me there is no difference in attitudes between the blacks and whites in those areas. Some of the worst verbal abuse i have ever recieved in Barbados and i have received quite a bit, and that was directed at my percieved station in life came from person who look like me but live to their estimation several rungs up the social/class ladder from me. I am not misguided as to where it comes from. Barbados is a highly segregated society and it is so by, Jobs, enclaves, colour, family name etc. I didn’t make it so and I cannot change it by myself, and until I see a concerted effort to do so, I will vote, agitate for those causes, and support only those causes that have my lot, my class, and social rung, interest at heart. It is really simple if the cause has to many persons from “high society” agitating for it, I will more likely than not view it with sketicism and probably not support it, as it will more likely than not be for them.

  16. Jane you talk about Justice and all i see is the ignorance that led too and proceeded this incident

    How is it that the issue of Breaking and entering, self defence etc are being entertain in defence of these two when they claim to have done nothing wrong, not a scatch on them to make believe it is so. Ingnorance?

    The police charged the minor with tresspassing. why? they probably thought that Highgate gardens with it’s lovely wall was “private’ property. And i know that is’t residents both Black and white like to think of it as such, but no one wants to pay for the upkeep a private road. Is this not ignorance?

    How come this all transpired on October 6 the Minor sent to Dodds for being beaten and we knew nothing of it until the Mother publicly complained? Why was the case “reopened”? but first why was it closed? Ignorance?

    Jane don’t tell me to let Justice take it’s course, because since October 6 if left to it’s own devises “JUSTICE” would have been fully a sleep. Justice had it’s opportunity to do the right thing because as we are told it is blind, apparently not class or colour blind, and it failed, and i would add deliberately fail to be blind to the social standing and class of both the accuse and the victim, and to this day still errs in it’s unbalance application of justice by having the minor still incarcerated in legal custody for having on his person, a weapon (scissors) since when is a scissors a weapon when not used in the commission of a crime? and the accused is free on bail after discharging a weapon a (gun) Ignorance?

    This will certainly be a teaching exercise for my son, as he loves Barbados, bit too much I think.

  17. Janes says: Adrian, your son, whose picture you posted on another blog, will not be a criminal at 15 for obvious reasons. He will probably never have any criminal intent in his life.

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    Jane are you saying that this minor has a criminal history prior to this incident? I must have missed this report. But pray tell why, what law allows for the abuse of free persons with criminal past????? pray tell how does this kid’s background and family issues allow for the his face to look the way it did???? are you telling that if it were my son traveling that road at that time that he would have been over looked by Mr. Goodridge and son?

  18. Phoenix

    Adrian, come on, snap out of it. You have made many valid points, in particular the point that barbados is very segregated. Unfortunately you have ruined your valid point by your narrow minded mentality, which i find way too many barbadians have developed when regarding anyone with fancier car, or bigger house, or better job than they have. I am not saying you fall into that category but you are displaying the same mentality and its quite sad.
    Can you not see that it is this idea of “you dont treat me as an equal, therefore i will do the same” that is destroying and has destroyed communities around the world?
    I for one dream of a barbados where equality reigns and everybody carries the title “barbadian” instead of “”bouge” and “ghetto”. And unfortunately it will take individuals like yourself and myself to achieve this, because a group is a collection of individuals.
    Plain and simple a water park will bring money fast but when the surrounding area is destroyed we will then loose money in the long run.

  19. Phoenix thanks for the response, but please forgive me if you don’t take your opinions to seriously. It is not narrow minded at all and it is not a view that those without the fancy car and the big house cultivated all on their own without any help whatsoever from the owners of such material luxeries. You can dismiss these as narrow-minded and as petty jelousy but the truth is the question “Do you know who I am?” whether verbalize literally or acted out all over this incident is predicated on percieved class, which is driven primarily by Where you live, how much square foot of living space you have, what is your last name, your complexion and other petty things that both sides have allowed to become more important than they should be. Narrow-minded? I have percieved these things and apparently you haven’t.

    There is no waterpark now what money is the country gaining from it’s absence and that it will lose after it is said it would become less viable?

  20. snippet of info..

    ..from an email rec’d.
    —————————————-
    “Dat somet’ing about Mark Goodridge, nuh?
    Looks like a set up to me. Little bird told me dat Mark had represented the wife of the editor of the nation in a real messy divorce. Tit fuh tat?”
    ——————————————
    I sell it as I bought it.
    i.e,. cut and paste

  21. Jane

    Adrian, none of us has full details. Cuh dear wait and see. One thing we can be sure of is that we got misinformed.

    This is a compliment. I am telling you that your son at 15 would not be travelling that area at that time period, unless he was living there.

    Next time you are in Barbados drive through the area and see for yourself that it is just a middle class neighbourhood which as existed for as long as I can remember.

    http://bararchive.bits.baseview.com/archive_detail.php?archiveFile=./pubfiles/bar/archive/2006/October/19/27672.xml&start=0&numPer=20&keyword=mark+goodridge&sectionSearch=&begindate=1%2F1%2F1994&enddate=12%2F31%2F2006&authorSearch=&IncludeStories=1&pubsection=&page=&IncludePages=1&IncludeImages=1&mode=allwords&archive_pubname=Daily+Nation%09%09%09

  22. Bajans are something else fuh trute. All dese doppelgangers droping in with their little comments. Lynette Eastman once spoke about the Barbadians and their penchent for hoarding information and keeping it away from others. So that they can bragg that they are “in the know”, and the Phoenix arised only to tell me that in am ‘narrow minded’ well if i lived on an island which is only 21 miles longs and 14 miles wide with the highest point under 1,200 feet and can still entertain the idea of some place being too far or that some hill is too steep or high, or some place being “exclusive”what might I deem to be narrow minded? anything?

    I remember at the height of the a fire burning at Mangrove landfill that the lowly residents of Archall St. Thomas were as effected as the High Society folks down wind in Sandly lane, St.James.

  23. Jane

    Right, good Adrian. People living in developed countries have an advantage on us here. We in Barbados are the narrow minded ones.

    Real progress is not in our consciousness yet.

    And yes, accurate information is hard as hell to come by. It is convenient to have it this way when you want to control what people think. So do not believe everything you are fed.

    Now we have the internet so it is not that easy to fool people.

  24. Jane what is your purpose for sharing this story with me? I have no interest in believing anything a DEFENSE LAWYER says. The symbolism of their letters and knighthoods are lost on me.

  25. Jane don’t put words in my mouth, I did not call anyone narrow-minded but sought to defend myself of the said charge, by asking what i think are legitimate questions base on our enviornments. I have learned how to argue (i don’t debate :D) without much name calling or labeling, as it is but a ploy to silence people. I merely sought t0 have the Pheonix reflect on his accusation to see if it can be fitted to him, I don’t care to do it for him.

  26. Jane says: Do not believe everything you are fed. I will assume the your use of the word fed doesn’t have any other connotations to it. Like for example that i can’t feed myself, and should i treat the article you referenece the same way too?

  27. rightvwrong says:
    October 19th, 2006 at 2:39 pm
    Green—A Tale of Two Barbados—well put but unfortuneately dead on
    ——————————————————-

    Fruendel Stuart gave a tale of two Barbados also but his went very different than that of green’s.

    He claims that the ideas that led to the formation of the BARBADOS ELECTORS ASSOCIATION back in 1941, by the planter class and merchant class, The same year as the formation of the Barbados Worker Union are still at work today, and why could this not be true, in the late 1980’s a book that has since disappeared called economic injustice in Barbados laid it out plain and simple. What is clear is that attitudes then are still with us today.

  28. snippet of info..
    October 19th, 2006 at 7:18 pm
    Looks like a set up to me. Little bird told me dat Mark had represented the wife of the editor of the nation in a real messy divorce. Tit fuh tat?”
    ————————————————————-
    Is the third attempted defense strategy? Only kings and fools can do no wrong, Is Goodridge & Son not be responsible for their actions?

  29. Nope…it’s ok to beat underage children to oblivion while showering them in racial slurs…especially when you’re white…hahah…but seriously, are you single Jane?

  30. Phoenix

    Hey adrian i apologise for calling you narrow minded, especially if it offended you, you’ve got some seriously valid points and i appreciate what you have said so far. You are clearly more educated and informed than myself.
    I used narrow minded because that is the term that came to mind in describing the mentality i’m seeing becoming so common in barbados. People are segregating themselves and putting up walls between each other on both sides as you said, and I really dont think it is healthy for a small country such as ours.
    However, upon reflecting on myself as you suggested, I dont find myself narrow minded, i realise the segregation and the unfairness, and the labeling that goes on in this country, but i dont think it is narrow minded to believe that this situation can be changed if EVERYBODY decides to make said change an initiative. Even if it takes a few decades.

  31. John

    Government has taken the decision to allow gated communities in this country.

    How are Phoenix and Adrian going to get this decision changed, particularly when there are so many bucks behind it?

    Seriously though, if the argument is that “people are segregating themselves and putting up walls between each other” it would seem to follow that there was a time when people did not segregate themselves or put up walls between each other.

    I think there was such a time but we have allowed our politicians to con us into thinking the opposite. I posted a comment earlier on another story that I could not remember any time in my life where a difference in colour actually affected me or anyone I can think of. I do recall people, both black and white speaking racist words but remarked it was all talk and no action.

    I then corrected myself and said there were two instances I could remember but figured there were also just mout talk.

    I just remembered a third but did not actually hear the words. It was reported to me that Erroll Walton Barrow actually said in public that he looked forward to the day that all white people could be loaded on the Lord Combermere and taken out to sea and the ship sunk.

    All three have one thing in common. The words were uttered by politicians, ie Errol Walton Barrow re the Lord Combermere, Owen Seymour Arthur re Terry Ally and Elizabeth ?? Thompson re Richard Goddard.

    These “honourable” men and woman are or were our leaders.

    Am I to assume that they are all racist, or off their collective heads at the time they made the remarks in public?

    Adrian, I think the difference between now and then was family. A family is about love, individuals creating other individuals is just about sex and money, nothing wrong with either, but love gives the enjoyment and fulfilment.

    It may sound strange but I think in the past we were a far more loving society than we are now.

    When you look at the faces you pass on a day you see few smiles. Yet, we are supposedly better off today, thanks to our great leaders!!

  32. Jane

    An elderly friend told me that our problem is that we have never lived through the hardships of war. In wartime you had to cooperate and care for eachother or you would would not have survived.

  33. Hi Pheonix no need to apologize, I am not that easily offended, and when i am i single-mindedly focus on revenge. I just wanted you to be responsible for your words, and you have done that.

    …..True it is not narrow-minded to “Believe” in something in the face of a history that demonstrate the futility of such beliefs, it just makes you a dreamer. If we keep believing/dreaming and not educating ourselves about the history of our particular experience, and to do so from sources other than the traditional ones available in your bookstores, and then acting in a way that suggest that you are seriously interested in your own economic enfranchizement, then 50 years from now your children and grand children will be making similar comments. It is time for Black Barbadians to spend their money with people that look like them, It is time to stop supporting that enterprises owned by the folks that Green and Andrew does hop knob with. It is time for our policemen and leaders to execute their jobs with much stronger social conscience. If the police who responded to this incident has such a consccience they would have at least asked about the injuries on the minors face and taken all parties in for questioning.

  34. John: Have you listen to Freundel Stuart’s time line about the planter/merchant class, Deighton Mottley, cornbeef and biscuite politics, The Goddard Mottley nexus? the length that these people have gone to maintain their selfish hold on Barbados? I don’t concider Barrow’s statement in the light that you would wish to bring it in here now. I perferr to believe that Barrow made his statement out of fustration, the same fustration that led Hillary Beckles to write his Book the Mutual affair economic injustice in Barbados, the same fustration that see those who are hugely benefiting from the status quo employing all manner of tactics to keep serious enfranchizement from happening.

  35. Jane
    October 20th, 2006 at 3:26 am
    An elderly friend told me that our problem is that we have never lived through the hardships of war. In wartime you had to cooperate and care for eachother or you would would not have survived.
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    Jane sorry i can’t continue to conversate with you until you help me find the infomation about the Minor’s criminal pass. Until you do I will be hard press to believe that you do not see others that look like him as guilty of whatever and doing so without any proof.

  36. Jane

    Adrian, don’t worry, we will converse later on as soon as the whole story is told and it will be.

  37. Anonymous

    Jane we did live through the hardships of war, several times. Just that we choose not to consider the sacrifices and lessons learnt by the generations before us as worthwhile.

    In fact, we were entirely self sufficient in food in the 1939-45 war, how, by simple old time common sense, everybody did a little, noone starved. The amazing thing is that our historians would have us believe that the riots of 1937 were entirely based on race and we hated one another.

    If this were really so, there would have been starvation in Barbados between 1939 and 1945. The plain fact is we did not and I think it is fair to say that our historians are out to lunch.

    It worked here to overcome the effects of the U-boat menace to imports as it did in Leningrad to overcome the seige of the Nazis.

    Read about it!! Ask your parents about it. Don’t listen the clowns and get brainwashed with rubbish when cold hard facts are so easily available.

    Don’t believe me!!

    Figure it out for yourself.

    Your elderly friend is right, just that you aren’t listening to him or her.

  38. John

    Adrian

    I guess you understand from what I told Jane what I feel about our historians. Like you, I ain’t too impressed by letters and ole talk!!

    I have long since ceased taking them seriously, try it and look for facts yourself. Then you would understand even more than you do now.

    BTW, I am on a new computer at a different location so haven’t figured out how to work it yet. The Anonymous to Jane is me, John!! I am not hiding!!

  39. Jane
    October 20th, 2006 at 2:03 pm
    Adrian, don’t worry, we will converse later on as soon as the whole story is told and it will be.
    —————————————————————–

    So why is it taking this long? I am very skeptical of Lawyers accused or not. This may very well be the Truth according to whom is telling it. The most dishonest people in Barbados comes from the higher neck of the woods.

  40. John

    Adrian

    “If the police who responded to this incident has such a consccience they would have at least asked about the injuries on the minors face and taken all parties in for questioning”

    What I am hearing around and my senses are telling me is that if the police had got there first the boy would be stone cold dead and the only version would be the one from the police, …. and the coroner.

    But that is just gossip and eventually the truth will out.

    With the inconsistencies I have seen in the story from the Nation I will go by my sense of logic for the time being, until I am proven wrong, …. or otherwise.

    Been around long enough to be comfortable with that position.

    The Nation has alot to answer for, … like your historians.

    Hoad put it beautifully this morning in the same Nation, “they can’t even tell the difference between a cock and a hen”!!!

    Time will tell.

  41. Man John the way you and Jane responding to this make me remember a Lynette Eastmond article about Bajan information hoarders. Everytime you guys right something I end up having more questions. Here it is with you and Jane that i detect a willingness to believe a version the truth that would cast Mr. Goodridge & Son in the best possible light, even if it means destroying what little selfworth this minor may have remaining, that I would be implored to wait for justice, wait for the truth, that the hold story will come out etc. yet you are willing to until this time, to publicize all manner of gossip. Well not all manner, more like gossip that can be of benefit to Mr. Goodridge and Son. What is it now? Self defense doesn’t seem workable, breaking and entering ? nah, The minor’s alledged or assume criminal background superceeds any actions The Goodridge took on his face. Is it now that the police inflicted the injuries on the Boy? Is there not a black person that we are welling to sacrifice for the sake of these two?

    The Defense lawyer came to public with what is not true but has not told us the Goodridge’s version of the events, and i am very familiar with this tactic. The truth will on the condition of what evidence the procecution has. That way i will not have to be accountable for my actions. If Mr. Goodridge thinks that he is going to pick back up his life as if nothing happens, he will be in for a surprise.

  42. and John you know full that Time cannot tell anything, Time cannot speak, and men who can and refuse to do so can keep the whole truth under the carpet for generations. There is a coverup on the way in this case.

  43. John

    Adrian

    You can’t be a real Bajan and play you do not know the meaning of “Time will Tell”!! Have you been tricking me all the time?

    I have identified what I have said as gossip very plainly, no coverup!!

    We have been through the discussion on the duck test long ago and we agreed to disagree so I am not going there.

    I agree that Mr. Goodridge will never be able to pick up his life again where he left off. Neither will the boy …. and perhaps neither will we.

    All of us will have gone through a very tough patch of life. I think the discussion that is taking place will actually be beneficial to our country and to everyone who has become a part of it and I think that the open discussion we we are having will prevent there being any coverup.

    I was once told that you get no justice in a court of law, what you get is a decision. You are correct not to be too impressed by any letters or knighthoods behind or infront of any name. I live by that rule too.

    Everyone involved is human so the result can only be a human result.

    I think we are in another court here, the court of public opinion. Blog sites have a role to play, so does gossip, once it is identified gossip.

    You choose not to understand the point I am making about the police.

    If the police were in the position of Mr. Goodridge and confronted with an issue of self defence as is alleged, there would in all likelihood have been only one outcome. The boy would be dead.

    You live in the USA and I am sure you know it is unwise to give a policeman too tough a decision to make when he has a gun in his hand.

    His training takes over and gets him through.

    I do not think skin colour is relevant here so I say so.

    It is about the facts, and we will never get all.

    We are going to be left with the duck test.

  44. Ok John: one thing about you, you allways rises to my challenges, which are the results of not knowing personally. It’s the skeptic in me that from time to time puts up these challenges. So that leaves Jane that i have to figure where she is coming from.

    Jane any news on the How you know that my son will not be a criminal at 15, and how you know the victim to be a criminal? 😀

  45. John

    Adrian

    I would think the answer to the first question could be that you say you are prepared to go out to bat for your son and I have found you to stick by what you say and damn the torpedoes. So I know your son is in for some serious guidance.

    It is thus highly unlikely that he will turn out to be a criminal at 15, ……. that is of course assuming ….. well ………. ummm ….!!

    I don’t know the answer to the second one.

  46. Jane

    Adrian, we went through this already. It is clear from seeing the picture on another blog the pride you have in your children and that you love and care for them. This means that you will discipline them and will guide them and try to teach them right from wrong from the beginning of thier lives. Am I right?

    How old is your son? Is he a criminal?

    Whether or not the Goodridges or the boy are guilty or criminals is not the point here. The point is that the Nation only printed one side of a story. There are other stories being told which raise serious doubts as to whether the boy’s mother gave the Nation completely accurate information.

    As soon as more information becomes available we will get it. We have to be patient and not condemn either party without knowing more about what happened. When we have details we can better decide what we want to believe. Is this fair?

  47. Ok Jane: I understand that it is important to you that the victim has a criminal background, and that his mother lied. You don’t have any proof of this but it nevertheless can’t be the way it was related in the papers. I do not know what is stopping Mr. Goodridge & Son from telling what has happen if it is the way you and the rest of his friends would like us to think it happened.

  48. peter

    maryann brown

  49. peter

    maryann brown
    very good idea.

  50. Jane

    Adrian, I do not know what happened but I would like to hear both sides.

  51. Adrian

    #
    Edgar
    October 19th, 2006 at 5:40 pm

    A National Park benefits ALL Bajans, not a chosen few from any particular class, colour or neighbour.
    It is time for us to start appreciating our country and doing things to protect the environment and the health of all bajans.
    ——————————————————————

    How many things are done to the benefit of all Barbadians, but in the day to day reality are not benefiting all of them? Sorry Edgar you will not get my support with such rhetoric, you are condemned by your day to day practices of segregation.
    It amazes me that BLACK BARBADIANS the ones from all those housing projects PINE and elsewhere would support anything own,operated, or even attended by WHITES AND THOSE BLACKS who have moved on, away and turn their backs on the rest of us. It amazes me. Not me I “know my Place” very well and i does stick to my kind at all cost.

  52. It never ceases to amaze me how people will use the race card in politics.

  53. Quotation:

    The enemy of the truth
    is very often not the Lie – contrived and dishonest..

    -but the MYTH –
    -persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic!

    John F. Kennedy

  54. ross

    “Not me I “know my Place” very well and i does stick to my kind at all cost.”

    Adrian didn’t you say that the neighbourhood where you live is 80% white or did I see wrong?

  55. Green!

    Adrian,darling..
    by your very internet presence here on this Forum,
    you are mixing with the better classes, and those of higher intellect.

    Do not be afraid,my son.
    You must, of necessity, leave behind those in De Pine without computers and internet access.

    One assumes your current ‘discomfort’
    is due to the odd transition stage you find yourself in,
    twixt those going forward via the new age of information and computation,
    and those who are now rapidly being left behind in the dust,
    still holding to the many old fashioned thoroughly-Bajan sentiments you express daily.

    Still..you’re welcome to join us.

  56. John

    Adrian

    I was thinking about how I responded to one of your questions to Jane, viz, “how do you know my son will not be a crininal at age 15” and then I read Jane’s response to the question.

    I realise what is really obvious from the two responses are that you have projected yourself as a family man who cares deeply about your children to the extent that you are prepared to do anything to ensure they are not harmed.

    Put yourself in your son’s shoes. He sees someone who is prepared to stand up for him. In time, he will in all likelihood when he becomes a man stand up for you.

    Isn’t this the essence of family?

    I think my response to you was predicated on the credibility you assumed in my eyes not because of your skin colour, but because of what I perceive you to stand for.

    Today. the family is highly underrated and there are some who would seek to destroy it. Yet, it is the most powerful unit of human endeavour on this planet. It can sacrifice when needed, provide succour for its members when there are times of trouble and explode into creative genius and economic growth when applied to the building of a business.

    How many businesses can you think of that have their genesis in the family?

    It can also be used for wrong doing and will work equally well there, the Mafia is a prime example. It is also based on the family.

    I look at the two parties here and I see a family and an individual. I do not see the boy’s father or the boys mother. I do not even see the boy except in the anonymity which I would expect to be accorded a minor.

    I was looking for the name of the reporter who broke the story. I have seen initials DS on the most recent story but I haven’t checked the paper from last Saturday to see if there is a reporter’s name attached to the story.

    I feel that there is something very unbalanced about what has been presented by the Nation and look forward to the entire truth if it ever wholly appears.

    I will listen to gossip and read BFP and the papers and put in my two cents worth but in the end I will trust my perceptions because they are all I have to guide me.

  57. Pat

    Green, we know that you practice racial discrimination, you admitted it yourself. Does everything you say on this forum have to be belittling, sarcastic and downright nasty? Who has kept those poor people in the Pine down? Who is partly responsible for the 4th generation of unwanted children? Just think man. Use your so-called higher intellect, read the history, analyze and accept the facts.

    From where I sit, and I read Adrian’s posts in another forum, he beats you hands down on education, knowledge and intellect. But, he has not forgotten where he has come from, he knows his roots. He is a big tree and a tree grows from and is anchored by – its roots. Remember that, foreign born spawn.

  58. John

    Wow Adrian

    It never rains, it pours.

    Poor Velzo must be green with envy.

    That’s what comes with being consistent in your pronouncements.

    It is hard not to recognize.

    Hope you don’t stop posting here because it has ceased to be a challenge and you miss being threatened with banning!!

  59. Adrian

    Hi there: Wasn’t home for most of yesterday. My son and I live at the local YMCA on saturdays, 😀 Karate, swimming, rockclimbing, video games, table tennis et. Last night my Portuguese neighbour invited me to a charity dinner, where my family was one of about five dark skin families there. A good time was had by all. Boy them Portuguese love some food 😀

    Ross Sticking to my own is much more than skin deep and there is much more to me than being Black. In my opinion Mr. Goodridge & Son’s behavior and the subsequent actions of the police has given this American concept of Black as a culture and identity a foothold to take root in the Barbadian society. As a Barbadian I am a product of the society that is Majority African Heritage and strong on English institutions. The 80% white town I live in is predominantly Catholic and Episcopalian (Anglican), there lifestyle, devotion to family and God is very familiar to me. I do not apologize for who I am, something that African Americans insist on from Caribbean nationals and Africans, and it isn’t working.

    My Immediate Neighbours, on one side is a anglo saxon last name Salisbury, who is very quiet and keeps to herself by will say hi or good morning if we run into each other. To the other side is my Portuguese friend who invites everwhere, we have been to each others house, and who’s father in law works with a Barbadian that i went to school with. To the Back of me is the State representative for my Town, who has invited me over for christmas and introduce me to all the powerbrokers in the city. He wanted to purchase my house but couldn’t afford it. 😀 Across the street from me is a Liberian immigrant who shares the same values of God, and family, and that i have a great relationship with. Did you know that Liberians make a dish out of cassava leaves? Next to him is a Cape Verdian couple who insist that my son joins their grandchildren in play whenever they are visiting, which is almost every weekend. So you see Ross this is what i grew doing and experiencing in Barbados. I brought my values with me and they coincide nicely with the values of these diverse persons, and the whites that i have day to day contact with are nothing like Mr. Goodridge & son.

    — Black Like Whom?
    With immigration diversifying the Black population in the United States, efforts to address the culture clash within the Diaspora are gaining priority
    By Lori S. Robinson

  60. Adrian

    Green if you are confuse about symbols and the real things they represent then i am not. Contributing to this forum can never be real to me. The idea of “socializing” with someone on the internet has no real meaning to me. The ideas you have of yourself has meaning to you not to me. I don’t see how they can help me better understand your contributions. Maybe the failure of an author to articulate his thoughts to his audiance, is the audiances fault.
    Two things: I don’t envy your need to sell the idea of your intellect and or intelligense to others.
    two: If you cannot distinguish between a symbol (posting on this forum) from the real thing it represents (physical interaction) then number one would be an almost natural response and activity. 😀 But i know you do.

  61. John

    Adrian

    Have you ever met Mr. Goodridge and son?

  62. Adrian

    John don’t you think if i had i would have said so? For the record i cannot recall ever meeting a white Barbadian in Barbados, if i did it must have been so uninsteresting that i cannot recall. To the best of my knowledge none of the whites that i come into day to day contact with up here has ever been accused of the crimes as Mr. Goodridge & Son. ha ha ha but in case you had something else in mind, I have no such interest. I think this incident is worthy of it’s own website, don’t you?

  63. Adrian

    Pat thanks fo sticking up for me. Green see this is what i was talking about. You are selling the idea of your intellect and intelligense, and Pat is saying that she sees it in someone who has made no such pronouncement, and doesn’t think of himself in such light. Anyway self praise aint nuh praise. 😀

  64. John

    Adrian

    Actually, I was thinking intolerance.

    But then I recall that you stick to what you believe no matter what but still, I was kinda hoping ……

    Never met any white Barbadians in Barbados? Wow, so if there are none what’s all the hoo haa about racism! How long were you living in Barbados for?

    Actually, I haven’t either, I mean met any white Barbadians in Barbados.!!

  65. John says: actually I was thinking intolerence : could you expand on this?

    ….no i do not stick to what i believe no matter what, it does matter that what is presented to me is the truth, or can withstand some level of scrutiny, and probing, and most disprove any opinion that i may have on the matter. Even then holding to conflicting opinions in my mind and still be able to function is doable on my part.

    Meeting a white person in Bimshire: as in having a relationship, over a sustain period of time, I knew of several white bajans, Richard Williams former , a known drunk, and former GM of Sandy Lane several young boys who moonlighted as salesmen for Stokes&bynoe, M.E.R Bourne, F.B, Armstrong etc. I knew of Mr. Manning and Mr. Wilkinson who ran Bennetts plantation, and before him the Trihaynes from Bucks, still not impress.

    I don’t think that i have to have known any personally to know that they can be racist ones in their mist.

    Oh I should say that perfer to volunteer information about myself, when i feel too, only. 😀

  66. Kathy

    I have met Mr. Goodridge a few times, and did not find him at all racist or violent. I do not know him well, but I knew his in-laws – wonderful, gentle people. As a teenager, I was always made welcome in their house, along with every other young person that cared to visit, black, white, brown, Chinese, whatever. It doesn’t seem likely that a product of that family would grow up to be racist or violent. I was treated with extreme kindness by them, just as they treated all their other young friends.

    We need to keep an eye on what people in high places in government will be doing in the next few days or weeks, because I am very suspicious that the divisive nature of this situation could be used as a smoke-screen to take our attention away from something. Could be a “divide and conquer”. This idea was brought to my attention by a Romanian friend who described similar (but worse) police-related tactics at the start of the communist regime in her country in the 1940’s.

  67. John

    Adrian

    “Adrian, Have you ever met Mr. Goodridge and son? ”

    “John don’t you think if i had i would have said so?”

    “John, Oh I should say that perfer to volunteer information about myself, when i feel too, only.”

    ” John, For the record i cannot recall ever meeting a white Barbadian in Barbados, if i did it must have been so uninsteresting that i cannot recall.”

    “John, Wow, so if there are none what’s all the hoo haa about racism! How long were you living in Barbados for? ”

    Adrian, I thought I would pull out some of the statements we made over the past few interactions.

    I made one that was factually incorrect, actually I admit I knew it when I made it, ….. am … um … I lied….. (moment of silence) …. and you corrected me. I stand corrected. I have put Velzo right on this issue already. This is the statement.

    “Adrian, But then I recall that you stick to what you believe no matter what but still, I was kinda hoping ……”

    “John, ….no i do not stick to what i believe no matter what, it does matter that what is presented to me is the truth, or can withstand some level of scrutiny, and probing, and most disprove any opinion that i may have on the matter.”

    I consider it to be an absolute feat to meet a white Barbadian in Barbados, or for that matter a black Barbadian. Do you know what the colours white and black look like? I speak the terms more to be like everyone else and not because I understand them.

    You see, even if I use the definition of white to mean directly descended from european ancestors, post 1627, I consider it also a feat to have met someone who has such a pedigree in Barbados. I have done enough genealogy to know.

    …. and then there is the whole question of Moorish domination in Spain pre 1492 …..

    …. and then …….

    And so on it goes.

    The intolerance stems from your bland statement:

    “I brought my values with me and they coincide nicely with the values of these diverse persons, and the whites that i have day to day contact with are nothing like Mr. Goodridge & son.”

    I thought I would bring these things to your attention and do so again particularly as you say you have never met Mr. Goodridge and son.

    Notice the descriptions you have used of the people you socialise with: anglo-saxon, Portuguese, Liberian, CapeVerdrian, the State Representative for my Town …….

    Would be interested to hear your definition of white.

  68. John

    Adrian

    “Adrian, Have you ever met Mr. Goodridge and son? ”

    “John don’t you think if i had i would have said so?”

    “John, Oh I should say that perfer to volunteer information about myself, when i feel too, only.”

    ” John, For the record i cannot recall ever meeting a white Barbadian in Barbados, if i did it must have been so uninsteresting that i cannot recall.”

    “John, Wow, so if there are none what’s all the hoo haa about racism! How long were you living in Barbados for? ”

    Adrian, I thought I would pull out some of the statements we made over the past few interactions.

    I made one that was flawed, actually I admit I knew it when I made it, ….. am … um … ….. (moment of silence) …. and you corrected me. I stand corrected. I have put Velzo right on this issue already. This is the statement.

    “Adrian, But then I recall that you stick to what you believe no matter what but still, I was kinda hoping ……”

    “John, ….no i do not stick to what i believe no matter what, it does matter that what is presented to me is the truth, or can withstand some level of scrutiny, and probing, and most disprove any opinion that i may have on the matter.”

    I consider it to be an absolute feat to meet a white Barbadian in Barbados, or for that matter a black Barbadian. Do you know what the colours white and black look like? I speak the terms more to be like everyone else and not because I understand them.

    You see, even if I use the definition of white to mean directly descended from european ancestors, post 1627, I consider it also a feat to have met someone who has such a pedigree in Barbados. I have done enough genealogy to know.

    …. and then there is the whole question of Moorish domination in Spain pre 1492 and its impact on Europe …..

    …. and then …….

    And so on it goes.

    (See next comment on intolerance)

  69. John

    The intolerance stems from your bland statement:

    “I brought my values with me and they coincide nicely with the values of these diverse persons, and the whites that i have day to day contact with are nothing like Mr. Goodridge & son.”

    I thought I would bring these things to your attention and do so again particularly as you say you have never met Mr. Goodridge and son.

    Notice the descriptions you have used of the people you socialise with: anglo-saxon, Portuguese, Liberian, CapeVerdrian, the State Representative for my Town …….

    Would be interested to hear your definition of white.

  70. anon

    Adrian and John you are boring us with your personal irelevant chit – chat.Why don’t you get each others e-mail addresses.Please enough of the one-liners that say nothing or the garbled gobbly-goo.

  71. Adrian

    Hi Kathy I hope you believe what you just wrote, I don’t. 😀 as for the devide and conquer comment I have to say that when i first heard of the “Willie Lynch” letter, which is an internet hoax/social virus by the way, i immediately asked if they had the name right, becuase i would have sworn blind that they were describing David Seale of R.L. Seale & Company LTD. 😀

    John are you in the habit of taking phone calls from anonymous person? what about advice? 😀

  72. John

    ok anon

    I get the message!!

    Just that Adrian and I go back a bit!!

  73. Jason

    I enjoy your little spats guys. Never mind anon because he has his own agenda and it has nothing to do with honest discussion in a public forum.

  74. Adrian

    But would take an A-NONE seriously? Does this A-none have a hole? 😀

    …..By December 6 all will be well and the Goodridges will be looking for next victim.

  75. Adrian

    John: I do not need a your opinions on what constitutes white, and who best exemplifies the description. The beating and the allegded uttering of racial slur took place in Barbados. In Barbados both Goodridges are said to be white, and they believe themselves to be. Could you quit speaking with fork tongues and plainly state where the intolerence on my part has occured?

  76. John

    Adrian

    I don’t have any opinions on what constitutes white other than it is pretty difficult to define!!

    I was really hoping you would give me your definition. I don’t recall the Goodridges saying they believe themselves to be white but I must have missed something. Perhaps it was their lawyer speaking on skin colour.

    Is Dr. Tafari white based on skin colour? Someone on this blog reckons he has a black mind? I asked for clarification of what a black mind is but have been unable to get it.

    Is someone black or white based on what is said? … but by whom? Maybe it is as simple as applying the duck test !!

    As to intolerance, one of the good things, … and bad things, about a blog is that a written record of statements exists. So for the moment, I will stick by my impression of intolerance. It is just an opinion at the moment of an ignorant John and may well change as time progresses.

    But, as you say, you don’t need my opinions.

  77. getting BYE

    Adrian,
    You write quite a piece. Tell me seriously -have you met the Goodridges before?
    You admittedly do NOT know Mr. Goodridge or his son, but consistently deliever judgement on the two.
    One other writer has described her personnal experience with some of the in-laws and you have been completely dismissive. (Please Ms. tell us more).
    I rather get first hand information than whatever you are conjuring up about these two.
    I hate to write at you but I really think you should condsider what you are writing before you write it.
    Additonally it is lovely that you spend time with your neighbours and friends of whatever complexion or nationality they may be. I am wondering if the Goodridges do the same?
    I hope this case will come to light infront of the courts as it should.

    P.S. Adrian, I am starting a special piggy bank. If you pitch in maybe we can hire a private investagtor to find out who the Goodridge’s friend’s are and if they go to the local YMCA on Saturday? And we can also clear up if this was a return trip to you know where for the minor. I know I said I wanted to wait until it goes to court but just saying…if you have some extra $$ we could try a thing.