Muslim Honour Killing In Canada: Three Daughters & “First Wife” Murdered By Father, 2nd Wife, Son

Murder Trial Update: October 22, 2011

The murder trial is in progress in Kingston, Canada where the court has been told that police wiretapped the family auto after the discovery of the four drowned women in a submerged car.

The father is alleged to have been tape recorded saying…

“May the devil shit on their graves,”

“They committed treason themselves. They betrayed humankind. They betrayed Islam. They betrayed our religion…they betrayed everything.”

“I say to myself, ‘You did well.’ Were they to come to life, I would do it again.”

“There is nothing more valuable than our honour.”

National Post: “I would do it again” Court hears horror of alleged honour killing

Canadian Press: Family saw slain girls as treacherous for having boyfriends, court hears.

Our original story published July 24, 2009…

"Sister" Turns Out To Be Wife Number Two

19 Year Old Daughter Was “Rebellious Young Woman”

Father was “disgraced” by behaviour of his three daughters, so…

Worldwide, Muslim honour killings of women and girls are so common that if North American or European papers were to cover every reported case there would be little room left on the front page for any other stories. But when a Canadian father, his second wife and a son plot weeks in advance to murder the family’s three teenage daughters and wife number one – well, that makes the news.

We like to believe that everyone wants the same things in life. This is just another reminder that not everyone shares the same values, and that some cultural values and standards may not be compatible with a free and democratic society. If you need further reminding, blogger Atlas Shrugs put together a photo album of some recent honour killings.

Que the apologists who maintain that this has nothing to do with Islamic values…

Family’s plans to murder daughters, first wife hatched months before: police

KINGSTON — A Montreal couple allegedly began making plans to kill their three daughters, along with the husband’s first wife, weeks before the bodies of all four victims were found in a car submerged in the Rideau Canal.

Mohammad Shafia, 56, his wife Tooba Mohammad Yahya, 39, and their eldest son Hamed Shafia, 18, all face first-degree murder charges in the deaths which came to light after a Nissan Sentra was discovered in the canal near the Kingston Mills Locks. Conspiracy charges filed at the Kingston courthouse Thursday reveal investigators believe plans to commit the murders were hatched as far back as May 1.

The small detail in the indictment added yet another twist in a story that only becomes stranger at each turn.

A relative of the couple has told reporters she believes the murders were carried out as so-called honour killings. The Kingston police confirmed Thursday that Rona Amir Mohammad was Mohammad Shafia’s first wife and that he was also married to Yahya. A relative who sent an anonymous email to The Gazette alleged that Shafia was “disgraced” by his daughters’ behaviour in Canada and that he wanted his first wife to return to Canada while hiding the fact they were married…

… continue reading this story at The National Post (old broken link now replaced with current National Post story October 22, 2011)

Our thanks to BFP reader Sargeant for alerting us to this story!

Further reading

July 23, 2009: Rise in Canadian ‘honour killings’ should not be ignored: expert

September 6, 2008: Pakistani Parliamentarians Defend Mass Honour Killing: 5 Women Buried Alive… But What About Bajan “Traditions” About Women?

June 27, 2008: Brother Charged In Muslim Honour Killing In Canada

May 11, 2008: Mother’s Day – Why The Culture War With Muslim Fundamentalism Will Last A Hundred Years

January 4, 2008: Two Texas Girls Murdered By Father In Muslim Honour Killing

December 11, 2007: Canadian Father Murders Teenage Daughter Over Refusal To Wear Muslim Headscarf Hijab

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74 responses to “Muslim Honour Killing In Canada: Three Daughters & “First Wife” Murdered By Father, 2nd Wife, Son

  1. Pied Piper

    I’ve been following this story closely. It sickens me. Those 3 young girls were beautiful.

    It does not speak well of our immigration department when a man can enter our country with two wives by simply lying and claiming one was his cousin. Where are the background checks? Why did it take a phone call from the deceased woman’s sister to discover that she was, in fact, his first wife? With the huge influx of Muslims we have here, we will continue to see more of this kind of thing in Canada. I am very glad they were caught on their way to the airport before they made their escape to a country where they could not be prosecuted.

    It will be interesting to see what these poor women did to “dishonour” their family.

    Editor’s Note: The above comment was copied from a previous story as we posted this article about the four Canadian honour killings. Thanks to BFP reader Sargeant for alerting us to this story.

  2. victor

    It was reported in the UK today that at 2am on 2 JuIy, a 24 year oId MusIim had acid chucked in his face and aII over his body, by reIatives of a married MusIim woman he was having an affair with. Witnesses saw from their windows as a gang of MusIim men did this. The man had 90% burns, was bIinded, had his tongue destroyed, was stabbed and hit with bricks. He is stiII in intensive care. Even if he Iives, he won’t have a Iife but wiII be on disabiIity benefit for the rest of his Iife, payed for by guess who.

    Detectives beIieve “the famiIy feared being shamed in their community”! Good heavens. There’s a speciaI unit of poIice, the “osman unit”, to protect peopIe from “honour attacks” by the MusIim “community” and the woman in question is being protected by the unit as it is feared she wiII be next. The British taxpayer has to pay for aII this protection as weII as the cost of hospitaI care for the man. This goes to show what happens with uncontroIIed immigration, imported brides etc. from mainIy primitive viIIages in Pakistan and BangIadesh. A MusIim community Ieader commented that “this is a cuIturaI thing” – thank you I don’t caII it cuIture and I think we shouId stop honouring that kind of behaviour with the word cuIture – and he said the same kind of event happened in other reIigions.

    Yeah, right. This kind of thing hits the headIines when it is a reIigious kiIIing in any other faith it is so rare but these MusIim kiIIings are just a daiIy event in the UK, where MusIim women are just treated Iike insects, as they are in most of the MusIim worId. A MusIim girI with a British passport is treated Iike goId dust to be soId off to a man who wants to get into the UK. After that she is a mere sIave, even though she has been educated etc. They get murdered so the man, who now has a British passport can get a girI from home; again, money changes hands and so it goes on. the women are expendibIe, a means to an end. It’s disgusting and meanwhiIe miIking the benifits system, everyone is on the doIe etc. Can you beIieve it, 5 of the 7 men arrested – don’t forget the witnesses and the CCTV footage – are on baiI!!! Guess who wiII be on the next pIane to Pakistan on a faIse passport? This wouId not be such a reguIar occurence if stricter immigration ruIes were in force.

  3. Hoser

    I do not mean for this to be a racist statement, but this kind of behaviour should stay within it`s own country.

  4. victor

    That’s my point, Hoser. Now Iet’s stop this getting to Barbados.

  5. J

    The first wife may in fact be BOTH cousin and first wife. In some cultures cousin marriages are not uncommon

    I take it that the 3 accused are innocent until proven guilty?

    Killing is ALWAYS DIShonourable.

    Muslim immigrants need to learn to take it light. Nobody in the larger community give’s a rat’s ass whether your teenage daughter is teking man or not. If you can’t stand her bahaviour let her find work and move to her own place. Wuh ya can’t see won’t hurt ya.

    And another truth since the second wife is 37 and had a 19 year old daughter clearly she was fooping Mr. Shafi (and maybe others) when she was only 17 ( and he was 37) so you have to ask why are they acting outraged? Don’t they know that the fruit don’t fall far from the tree?

    Stupid people.

    Wicked too.

  6. Canuck

    The values and societal norms of Afghanistan are almost totally opposite to Canadian society. What else can you expect?

    As long as Canada allows mass immigration from barbaric societies, we will see more of this.

  7. PiedPiper

    Here is the crux of the matter…….what brought “shame” onto the family and their excuse for murdering 4 women.

    From The Toronto Star: Trouble appears to have been percolating inside the Shafia household. Montreal’s child protection agency, the Direction de la protection de la jeunesse, visited the family on three occasions several months ago, sources told La Presse in Montreal.

    Hamed Mohammad Shafia was harsh and authoritarian with his sisters, police sources said, and Zainab had complained to police, who referred the matter to child protection services because the brother was not yet 18.

  8. crossroads

    Canada ? sorry it was’nt the state of Texas!

  9. CanuckBajan

    You don’t think that Barbadian or Canadian women and girls are being abused and even killed by men and boys in their lives? Keep dreaming!

    We may not call it “honour killing” but it’s the same thing: power and control over another person.

    It happens all over the world and it’s up to everyone of us to make sure it stops.

  10. Leprechaun

    I beliefs this man was just following his religious beliefs, which clearly are are ridiculous.

    In a Christian society we must also be weary of Christian beliefs however. Think of all the people that God, Lord wants to murder.

    If you look in the Bible, there are an amazing number of people that God wants his followers to murder. For example, in Exodus 35:2 God lays down this commandment:

    “For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death. ”

    Think about that how many people work on the Sabbath in Barbados — all the employees of Esso, Texaco, Shell, grocery stores, convenience stores, power plants, airlines, hospitals, emergency services and on and on and on. Don’t rabbis, priests and preachers work on the Sabbath? God wants all of them dead.

    Then look at Deut 21:18-21. It says:

    “If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father and mother, who does not heed them when they discipline him, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his town at the gate of that place. They shall say to the elders of his town, ‘This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death. So you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel will hear, and be afraid.”

    That is a whole lot of teenagers that we are supposed to kill.

    Then there is Leviticus 20:13:

    “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them. ”

    All homosexuals need to be killed. What about this:

    “If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbour, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death. ”

    That’s a lot of people who need to be killed.

    In other words, if we actually listened to what God says, we would need to kill at least half of the people in Barbados tomorrow. The word of the Lord tells us to kill half of the Barbados.

    I hope this doesn’t cause all the Christian readers to go on a murderous rampage.

  11. PiedPiper

    The simple fact of the matter J, is that Muslim women are not allowed to make decisions for themselves. All decisions must be made by the men of the household. The second wife, who was married to Shafi at the age of 1 or 17, no doubt had no choice either and was married off to him by the men of her family.
    Up till now, we have no evidence that the 19 yr. old daughter was fooping anyone only that she had become friendly with a Pakistani boy at her school.
    It was disgusting enough to kill her but why also kill her 17 and 13 yr old sisters and their auntie. Four lives lost and for what? So that some man can feel all powerful and maintain his family’s honour? Honour what?

  12. PiedPiper

    Man, yuh all gone along fuh drinks and leave muh last post in moderation or the spam bucket?

  13. BFP

    OHHHHHHHHHHHH, I am soooooooo feeling badly this day. Must get up strength for tonight! Again!

    Ohhhhhhh!

    Your comment is ok now.

  14. J

    My point Pied Piper is that in every culture, and every era, and in every religion people in their late teens start to seek out sexual partner(s). Ideally this occurs within marriage, but if we live in the real world we know that this seeking will occur whether or not it has the approval of the parents, the community, the religion or the state

    It is called being normal.

  15. PiedPiper

    I knew that was your point and I agree with it. Also, I didn’t mean to type that the 2nd wife was 1 or 17 but 16 or 17.

  16. PiedPiper

    You better get up your strength, last lap still a long way off. :)

  17. Bajan Muslim

    Quote: “I beliefs this man was just following his religious beliefs, which clearly are are ridiculous.”

    I would like you to show me where in Islamic beliefs and Islamic law ‘Honour Killings’ are encouraged and approved of.

    Thank you

  18. Pat

    My friend, that depends on who/what this god is and who actually wrote the stories in the Bible and why they wrote them.

    I enjoy Guy de Maupussant and Hans Christian Andersen much more than the Bible. To me they are the same, you just dont take them seriously.

  19. victor

    You say it happens aII over the worId. It’s taken thousands of years and a hard struggIe for Western society to give women equaI rights and to protect them from this kind of treatment by Iaw. Incidents where wives daughters and femaIe reIatives are beaten or kiIIed in non-MusIim society are not the norm and are treated seriousIy as an aberration and a crime unIike in MusIim society where they are accepted as “cuIturaI” and happen aII the time. I know it is wrong to say this but I get so angry I feeI we shouId have our own “honour kiIIings” and kiII the men who feeI they can dishonour women by treating them in this way.

  20. victor

    The bibIe is not the Iaw, however. ReIigious sects often Christian, break the Iaw aII the time by kiIIng chiIdren so caIIed posessed by the deviI etc. or comitting incest, having muItipIe wives and so on. These peopIe are breaking the Iaw, even if they quote the bibIe to justify their actions. We have a secuIar society, not one based on outdated reIigious texts Iike countries with sharia Iaw where women’s inequaIity is ENSHRINED by Iaw, for instance inheritance Iaws and the rights of husbands to keep chiIdren in cases of divorce.

  21. PiedPiper

    You are absolutely correct, Bajan Muslim. No where in the Q’uran is it stated that women are to be killed for dishonouring their families. This is strictly a cultural aberration of Islamic Law by backward societies who still view women as chattel. No where in the Q’uran is it stated that women must where hijab or burque, only that they should be modest in their dress and appearance.

  22. The faster you guys realize that these religions preach murder and violence, the better things will be. And if you think christianity is much better you are sadly deluded. Pick up the bible some time and don’t just read the “nice” parts.

    As for Islam, here is a sahih hadith filled with love, peace, and forgiveness (Yeah right!).

    Sahi Muslim No. 4206:
    “A woman came to the prophet and asked for purification by seeking punishment. He told her to go away and seek God’s forgiveness. She persisted four times and admitted she was pregnant. He told her to wait until she had given birth. Then he said that the Muslim community should wait until she had weaned her child. When the day arrived for the child to take solid food, Muhammad handed the child over to the community. And when he had given command over her and she was put in a hole up to her breast, he ordered the people to stone her. Khalid b. al-Walid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and when the blood spurted on her face he cursed her.”

  23. PiedPiper

    Ok, Rohan, I know you to be a very well read and clever fellow. I must confess, I am confused. Why do so many moderate Muslims, claim that Islamic law does not teach or approve of honour killings?

  24. Bajan Muslim

    Even with the hijab and burqa, you can find Islamic scholars who use proofs from Quran and Hadith concerning the laws of hijab and what must be covered for men and women etc. but can anyone even show me an Islamic scholar who approves of Honour Killings?

  25. Bajan Muslim

    At least quote the hadith correctly:

    Sahhih Muslim, Number 4206:

    ‘Abdullah b. Buraida reported on the authority of his father that Ma’iz b. Malik al-Aslami came to Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Allah’s Messenger, I have wronged myself; I have committed adultery and I earnestly desire that you should purify me. He turned him away. On the following day, he (Ma’iz) again came to him and said: Allah’s Messenger, I have committed adultery. Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) turned him away for the second time, and sent him to his people saying: Do you know if there is anything wrong with his mind. They denied of any such thing in him and said: We do not know him but as a wise good man among us, so far as we can judge. He (Ma’iz) came for the third time, and he (the Holy Prophet) sent him as he had done before. He asked about him and they informed him that there was nothing wrong with him or with his mind. When it was the fourth time, a ditch was dug for him and he (the Holy Prophet) pronounced judg- ment about him and he wis stoned. He (the narrator) said: There came to him (the Holy Prophet) a woman from Ghamid and said: Allah’s Messenger, I have committed adultery, so purify me. He (the Holy Prophet) turned her away. On the following day she said: Allah’s Messenger, Why do you turn me away? Perhaps, you turn me away as you turned away Ma’iz. By Allah, I have become pregnant. He said: Well, if you insist upon it, then go away until you give birth to (the child). When she was delivered she came with the child (wrapped) in a rag and said: Here is the child whom I have given birth to. He said: Go away and suckle him until you wean him. When she had weaned him, she came to him (the Holy Prophet) with the child who was holding a piece of bread in his hand. She said: Allah’s Apostle, here is he as I have weaned him and he eats food. He (the Holy Prophet) entrusted the child to one of the Muslims and then pronounced punishment. And she was put in a ditch up to her chest and he commanded people and they stoned her. Khalid b Walid came forward with a stone which he flung at her head and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and so he abused her. Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) heard his (Khalid’s) curse that he had huried upon her. Thereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said: Khalid, be gentle. By Him in Whose Hand is my life, she has made such a repentance that even if a wrongful tax-collector were to repent, he would have been forgiven. Then giving command regarding her, he prayed over her and she was buried.

    I dont have much time, but I just want to say that if God, as our creator, prescribes a punishment for those who break his commands, and a method
    for that punishment to be carried out (i.e every person can not go around punishing people and take justice in their own hands), then who are we, the creation to oppose Gods law.

    What about those who believe that everyone who does not believe that Jesus pbuh is the son of God are going to be thrown in hell? Isnt that cruel? To be burnt in hell for eternity? Who is to blame for that cruelty?

  26. Hants

    In Canada, honor killing is planned premeditated murder.

    If found guilty the punishment is life in prison.

  27. Sargeant

    Every time a Muslim man acting alone or in concert with others kills his wife, daughter or other female relative because they act in ways that he thinks is out of conformity with his beliefs, we hear that his actions are not condoned by Islamic laws or beliefs. The point is the murders do happen and someone believes that their or their family’s reputation is besmirched and the only way to assuage that reputation is to kill the person(s) responsible.

    So I would appreciate if “Bajan Muslim” could tell me what was the driving force behind these killings. I notice that the males are never the ones being murdered maybe they have carte blanche to do as they want but for females its another matter.

  28. canadian

    “barbaric” ? let us be careful here. A little read up on that country’s history would reveal a sordid picture in which the “civilised” countries had a huge part. So let us not elevate ourselves just quite yet, as even you would know Canuck, how often we read of Canadians arrested for pedo related crimes here and in some cases far away in Thailand.
    And what about this..on National Geographic Taboo show the other night, there was this guy who is not a doctor but he will tattoo your eye or split your tongue in New Zealand.
    And how could i interpret a beautiful young lady from Barbados with the tattoo of an AK47 (or looks like it) on her neck when that is the choice of weapon for mass slaughter.
    My point is this.. that man and all those who believe that their actions are justified because of some preceived interpretation of a verse in a religious book should feel the full brunt of what our law provides.
    Let’s us not turn this to either an immigration debate or what constitute civility.

  29. Sargeant

    BFP release my post

  30. Jenney

    Well if you lead a degrading immoral life then you cant expect sympathies espeacially from Families. I dont agree with honour killings and doesnt justify anything but if you know the consequences then why do indulge in this demeaning behaviour?….Am sure there are other ways to be rebellious. No Father in his right mind would want his daughter/dauhgters having sex intercouse outside marriage or indilging in degrading behaviour. People should always be aware of what they are doing and always try to lead a righteous life.

  31. canadian

    Bajanmuslim, i will not comment of any aspect of the Koran that you quoted, but i must admit that i find this: “I dont have much time ” in your 2 nd to last paragraph, a bit baffling. On a subject that most of the world ,outside of the Muslim one that is, truly don’t comprehend and can’t accept . But please find the time, and enlighten us. As you have commented , and rightly so, interpretation of other holy books can lead to an equally damning consequence.However, being the fastest growing religion , the onus is on the learned of that religion to explain. Let it not be said that this grand religion is about extremism ,intolerance and ignorance.

  32. PiedPiper

    Jenney, you seem very young but I will ask anyways. How have you concluded that Zainab was leading an immoral life or that she was indulging in demeaning and degrading behavior?
    You holy rollers crack me up, you see the devil around every corner.

  33. Pat

    And who said that any of the three young daughters were having sexual intercourse or indilging (sic) in degrading behaviour? What gave him the right to muder any of them, especially a 13 year old? What about the first wife. I suppose she was like an old shoe to be cast off?

    I will not be surprised if the autopsy shows they were all virgo intacta. These young ladies hold to their religious beliefs.

  34. Anon 5

    Pat, good to see that you used decent words such as “having sexual intercourse” instead of fouling up this blog with revolting words like PiedPiper does. Thanks for keeping it clean.

  35. Anon 5

    BFP, I am resending my comment because this is the third time I have submitted a post and you have refused to publish it, it dont even get as far as the moderation box, it just disappears. Please give me a reason why you refuse to publish my comments.

    “Pat, good to see that you used decent words such as “having sexual intercourse” instead of fouling up this blog with revolting words like PiedPiper does. Thanks for keeping it clean.”

  36. rohan

    It’s simple. They lie! I just posted a passage that clearly shows a woman beong stoned to death for adultery. Like all defenders of religion, they expect you to NOT read their books for yourself.

  37. PiedPiper

    Anon5 aka Diggit, you can change your moniker as often as you life but you fool no one. I used the word “fooping” because I was responding to “J’s” post in which she used the word “fooping”. I notice you have called her up on the carpet for the use of that word. If you are so easily and highly offended by the use of certain words perhaps you can find a good and strict Christian blog where your tender eyes will be kept pure.
    BTW, if BFP decides not to post some of your comments, it is their prerogative. Some cheese with that whine?

  38. PiedPiper

    That should read “I notice you have NOT called her up on the carpet for the use of that word”

  39. So you rather focus on the particular translation I provided instead of the merits of the argument? Your translation does not change the facts:

    1) Woman committed adultery
    2) Muhammed had her buried up to her breasts in the ground and stoned to death.

    Then you argue, “if God prescribed some judgement who are we to argue?”

    We are human beings. With brains. To think. And the ability to know right from wrong. This is wrong.

    You can hide behind your barbaric religion all you want.

  40. Anonymous

    But god knows what s/he is talking about. There are far, far, too many people alive on the face of this planet today. Almost all of the ills and problems we face would be far less daunting if there were only many fewer of us. So, having established the need to reduce population, but realizing that not too many are going to volunteer to be among the reduction, god has given us what is at least a plausible list of those who should depart. All we have to do now is act on the will of god and all will be well. In fact, if we followed all the edicts of all the many gods across the wide wide world, it might turn out that there would be nobody left. Some environmentalists might actually like that scenario.

  41. Bajan Muslim

    What is your religion Rohan? What about the punishment people will receive in hell, isnt that cruel? Or dont you belive in hell?

    How do you determine what is right and wrong, according to your own desires? Besides how do you know your brain does not have a limit? After all you did not create it. In the same way your five senses only operates within certain limits and boundaries, the intellect can only operate within certain limit and boundaries. You cannot use intelect over divine revelation i.e the commands of the Creators.

  42. Bajan Muslim

    The punishment for adultery can only be carried out in an Islamic State and by the authorities. The offender receives a trial and there must be witnesses to prove that adultery was commited. If no one witnessed the act the adulterer is not even required to confess to the act. How is this related to honour killings?

  43. Bajan Muslim

    here is an article on honur killings for those interested

    http://www.newislamicdirections.com/nid/notes/islam_and_honor_killings/

    Why doesnt the media refer to these murders as honour killings? Is it because the people involved arent Muslims?

    Dad (Miguel Matias) Killed Daughter After She Text-Messaged Boy

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330929,00.html

    Man kills wife, five kids, himself after being fired

    http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/01/27/family.dead/

    Man (Christopher Alan Wood) Kills Wife, 3 Kids Before Fatally Shooting Himself in Maryland

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517060,00.html

    Elderly East Point Man Kills Wife, Grandson And Self

    http://www.11alive.com/rss/rss_story.aspx?storyid=133007

  44. Bajan Muslim

    more honour killings…..oh wait no Muslims involved so they are only murders

    German Man Allegedly Kills Family With Ax, Knife

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,482725,00.html

    Virginia Man Kills Family, One Son Survives

    Neighbors say they are stunned especially since the Carters frequently went to church and were known for their generosity.

    http://www.todaysthv.com/news/natInt/story.aspx?storyid=87280&catid=288

  45. Sargeant

    Perhaps the post by “Jenney” is more illuminating than we think. While the “spokesmen” say all the “right things” i.e. We do not approve of “Honour Killings” and Islamic Law does not condone such actions etc,.the adherents to the faith think that the victims’ behaviour (even without any proof) was “demeaning’ and “degrading” and they deserve whatever fate they received. In other words blame the victim.

    Not one Muslim country said the fatwa on Salman Rushdie was wrong.

    Its amazing how many seek to live in non Islamic countries but are critical of the lifestyles that are found in those countries. Sadly it will happen again and again and……

  46. Bajan muslim wrote:
    What is your religion Rohan? What about the punishment people will receive in hell, isnt that cruel? Or dont you belive in hell?

    How do you determine what is right and wrong, according to your own desires? Besides how do you know your brain does not have a limit?
    ****
    Religion: None.
    Yes, the punishment people “will” receive in hell is cruel. Furthers my thesis that religions are cruel.

    How do I determine what is right and wrong? By asking myself if it’s something that I would like to be done to me. If something appears fair and/or just.

    Would I want my sister or mother to be buried up to her head and stoned to death? No. It’s a barbaric act. It is wrong! And your ridiculous book of fairy tales can’t convince me otherwise.

    If stoning to death a female is such a just act, would you do it to your sister or mother?

    Either be consistent in your beliefs or be a hypocrite. Have fun.

  47. Sing-a-song

    Which human being is so perfect, so righteous that he/she is justified in taking another person’s life (particularly for “immoral” behaviour) ?!!

  48. victor

    Rohan, what amazes is that these kiIIngs are nearIy aIways perpetrated by maIe reIatives and not just the husband’s reIatives, but fathers and sons of the woman. It does not matter what the bibIe or koran says. ReIigion is a private matter, go debate aII you want in your pIaces of worship. The rest of us wiII stick to the ruIe of Iaw, thank you. It may not be perfect but at Ieast it offers some protection against this demented murderous behaviour. Extremism must be deaIt with sternIy and justIy, with due curtaiIment of Iiberty if necessary. These guys are nothing but a menace to society. There’s so much often forced, intermarriage in MusIim society in the more remote parts of the MusIim worId, I can’t heIp but wonder if they are not Iunatics and totaIIy deranged. You onIy have to Iook at the IeveIs of congenitaI diseases in the MusIim community in Canada to imagine what is going on in their brains.

  49. Bajan Muslim

    I posted about six links to other cases where men murdered their wives and and children, but the media doesnt report it as Honour Killings, only as murders. I wonder if its because the people involved are not Muslims. The poeple involved were black white and latino.

    It says that my post is still awaiting moderation.

  50. BFP

    Since when do Muslim men kill themselves after killing their daughters? These murder/suicides you use as examples seem to be an entirely different act than the honour killings that are the subject of this article.

  51. Illuminator

    I agree with ‘Bajan Muslim’ that there seems to be an intentional bias to highlight one’s religion when heinous acts are committed by members of the muslim faith that is not done with other religions. It is interesting to note that the mainstream media in North America is dominated by Zionist control too…hmmm. Yet there is a serious lack of information on atrocities committed by the Israelis on the Palestinians.

    Its also interesting that Judaism , Christianity , and Islam all have common roots and seem to be pretty bloody and intolerant . I think we would all be much better off without them .

  52. Just Looking

    Can (anyone including )”victor” please tell me why he is using capital i (I) for the letter l (L)?
    It is distacting and a nuisance to say the least.

  53. victor

    Sorry, Just Iooking but the character before M on my keyboard is not working. I’ve been to have it fixed but they said it is going to be cheaper to buy a whoIe new Iaptop. Can’t afford it! The postings seem ok once the are up though.

  54. Anonymous

    Aretha Franklin – Respect (1990)

  55. Pat

    Victor,

    You must have spilled something on it. Happened to my organizer. I spilled coffee, the machine died.

  56. PiedPiper

    The latest developments: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/675034

    On the face of it, it appears that the daughter would not marry the man her father had chosen for her and was in love with another man.

  57. Straight talk

    Yet another daughter killed by religious nutcase family.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6736424.ece

  58. Darian

    The father wanted the daughter to marry her cousin. This is what the boyfriend/fiance has stated.

  59. victor

    Pat, I did tip a jug of water over the poor machine! Just the one character does not work but other keys have died too. @Bajan MusIim. It is the MusIims themseIves who caII them honour kiIIings. Sure, you can rake the worId’s press for instances of famiIy murders happening. This in itseIf is not unexpected, as most murder victims are murdered by famiIy members anyway, for many of reasons, usuaIIy money issues. However, the murderers don’t aIways justify their actions by citing reIigious texts as these MusIim murderers of women invariabIy do. How can you be so in deniaI about the situation? A BangIadeshi taxi driver toId me the other day that it is ok to beat your wife as Iong as the stick is onIy a certain size! It’s one thing for a man to go mad and attack his famiIy, there are aIways going to be nutters in society, but this is regarded as an unusuaI and sick action outside the MusIim worId. Its another matter when women are routineIy murdered because of “honour” and resorting to quoting the koran to justify it. Show me a devout MusIim who wiII deny that women are inferior to men. I am sick to death of hearing the protest “but they ruIe in the home!” Yeah, right. How many MusIim women have received a good thrashing at home for not “covering up” or Iooking at a man in pubIic? What about femaIe circumcision? It’s so reveaIing that the practice is so common and growing aII over the MusIim worId. Imagine a cuIture where it is deemed ok to remove a woman’s cIitoris because it is “uncIean” – and that’s just the miIdest form. Don’t Iet me start on the most severe kind. How disgusting to take away a woman’s source of sexuaI pIeasure on purpose?! It’s about the MINDSET, BajanMusIim. And it is that mindset which makes MusIim men feeI free to repress, subject, ensIave and murder their women and girIs, to go on about “modesty” and enforce it. In which countries are women not permitted by Iaw to vote, drive, wear normaI cIothes, go to schooI or go out without a maIe escort? That’s right, this idiocy happens in mainIy MusIim countries. Don’t get me started on Sharia rape Iaw, where 3 maIe – of course – witnesses have to vaIidate the woman’s cIaim…. For God’s sake, face reaIity. The whoIe situation is disgusting and beIongs in the Dark Ages.

  60. J

    Jenney wrote on July 26 at 9:59 “why do indulge in this demeaning behaviour?….Am sure there are other ways to be rebellious. No Father in his right mind would want his daughter/dauhgters having sex intercouse outside marriage or indilging in degrading behaviour.”

    Dear Jenney:

    Sex is NOT demeaning nor degrading.

    Sex is lovely.

    In this life there are no substitutes for sex.

    Fathers of adult sons and daughters should mind their own business and stop peeping into the sex lives of their adult sons and daughters.

    If Muslim men pay so much attention to the sex lives of their adult sons and daughters no wonder they become so upset.

    Peeking into a another consenting adult’s sex life is immoral and disgusting.

  61. victor

    J, a word of sanity in the darkness which is spreading so fast. We must do something!

  62. victor

    J, I just wanted to say that sex is one of the few things we have Ieft in Iife that is free . We have to pay for water, a home, food, even sometimes air itseIf, but the one thing we can do is make Iove, it’s the most beautifuI experience in the worId. You can do it by yourseIf; wiII that be taxed? There are issues that need to be adressed about the wiIIingness and appropriateness of participants, so that chiIdren are protected and coupIes can think it through but at the end of the day, Iove , marriage and having a famiIy is a spIendid idea and one that works very weII. Three cheers for those who Iove and spread Iove!

  63. Just Looking

    Sex is free? Tell that to the 1000’s of Bajan men who have to give something or the other to get it.

  64. victor

    Sure you have to give something to get sex but it does not have to be money or anything materiaI. the “thousands of Bajan men” who think they have to pay for sex are dispIaying an attitude towards the women they meet which shows they don’t understand that women who seII sex don’t reaIIy know how to enjoy it, or they wouId not demean themseIves by becoming just a chatteI. The guys shouId seek out women who do it for fun, not money, keep away from married women and make sure totake precautions not to make babies, catch or spread diseases! If you are the kind of guy who thinks of women as objects for saIe you wiII attract that kind of woman and scare off the others who wiII run a miIe.

  65. Goolam

    I guess Chris Benoit must have been a Muslim immigrant. Punish them IF they are guilty. Islamic law wants nothing less than death penalty for murder.

  66. An eye for an eye

    actually drowning in a submerged car would be poetic justice for the perpetrators

    too bad the trial and any prison time will waste taxpayers hard earned dollars

  67. What a lovely argument that can never come to any form of completions while religions continue to fester our minds. Obdurate and inchoate, are the two words come to mind. There are higher forms of understanding that don’t degenerate ‘The Supreme’. Hopefully mankind will gradually become aware of them, before he destroys himself and the Earth.

  68. Aceeba

    You know what if you people were even a little bit educated, understanding and knew even a bit about Islam, you would never play the immature “Blame Game.” Woman despite of religion, race, culture and etc… In today’s society are still being punished, put down and looked down upon no matter what.

    I live in Sydney Australia and there are a lot of murder cases where a man kills his wife, children and a woman kills her children and husband for many different reasons and I’m 100% that there are many cases similar to what I mentioned in America and other countries whether north, south, east or west. This man that is talking about “honour” well what HONOUR is he on about???? He is all over the news worldwide and people are spiting on him and his fake honour. He is hand chafed and put in Jail along with his wife and son so for his information he has no honour at least people didn’t know him before and now the whole world knows him, his family and points their fingers at them so when talking about shame he should feel now than ever before!

    It disgusts me how he says his girls didn’t obey Islam! I bet he doesn’t even know what Islam means; if he did he would have known what a great Sin it is to kill your own or someone else’s. If he knew Islam he would know that Islam has the same laws for both man and woman, in fact Islam was the first religion to give woman rights. Women back in the times of our prophet Mohammad (SAW) were doing business and were more successful than men and they were respect by all. Today some dumb idiots call themself Muslim and don’t know what it actually means but say to punish woman to do this and that but if they really knew Islam they would bow before every women, and not say a single bad word about them and the same goes for woman.

  69. BFP

    Hi acceba,

    The treatment of women in all societies has been a travesty since time began. While we’ve made some progress in the West, it is unfortunately true that about 91% of all honour killings world wide are done by Muslims, and an incredibly high percentage of those crimes involve multiple family members acting in concert. Sources here.

    Then there is the truth that Islamic societies often legislate the Sharia and Islamic standard that women are lower, have fewer rights then men and are unequal under law. It is common in the Middle East for laws to stipulate lower penalties for murder and other crimes when “family honour” was the reason for the murder.

    Then there is the common practice in the Islamic world of cutting off women’s private parts so they cannot enjoy sex. Keeps them under control.

    You say Islam has the same laws for men and women, but that’s not true, and it is certainly not the practice in Islamic societies. You must know that, and if you were a true reformist you would be arguing against hundreds of millions of your Muslim co-religionists who, according to you, must misunderstand Islam.

    Just a few months ago… “The leader of Jamaat-e-Islami of Pakistan, the country’s largest and most powerful pro-Sharia party, recently affirmed that a woman should not report being raped unless she has four male Muslim witnesses who saw the act. He bases his claim on Qur’anic ground: “Why did they not produce four witnesses? Since they produce no witnesses, they verily are liars in the sight of Allah” (Qur’an 24:13).”

    How the “four witnesses” requirement translates into real life is explained by Malaysian Islamic reformist group Sisters in Islam …

    “In Pakistan, it is reported that three out of four women in prison under its Hudud laws [these are the laws of what it forbidden and permitted by Allah himself], are rape victims. Because rape is equated with zina [unlawful sexual intercourse] under Hudud law, rape victims are required to produce four pious male witnesses. It is of course nearly impossible for the rape victims to produce the four male witnesses required to prove their allegation. Therefore their police report of rape was taken as a confession of illicit sex on their part and they were duly found guilty.”

    One source is here, but there are hundreds on the web and as I am sure you are aware many agreeing with the “four witnesses” requirement in the Qur’an are Islamic scholars.

    Acceeba, you say:

    “I bet he doesn’t even know what Islam means; if he did he would have known what a great Sin it is to kill your own or someone else’s.”

    Apparently millions of Muslims must have a different understanding of Islam then you do. Perhaps you could explain to the publisher of The Reliance of the Traveller, the well respected manual of Islamic Sacred Law. The book says that no retaliation is to be taken against parents who kill their children:

    Book O: Justice, Section 1.2

    The following are not subject to retaliation:

    1- a child or insane person, under any circumstances (O: whether Muslim or non-Muslim.
    The ruling for a person intermitently insane is that he is considered as a sane person when in his right mind, and as if someone continously insane when in an interval of insanity. If someone against whom retaliation is obligatory subsequently becomes insane,
    the full penalty is nevertheless exacted. A homicide committed by someone who is drunk is (A: considered the same as that of a sane person,) like his pronouncing divorce (dis: n1.2));

    2- a Muslim for killing a non-Muslim;

    3- a Jewish or Christian subject of the Islamic state for killing an apostate from Islam (O: because a subject of the state is under its protection, while killing an apostate from Islam is without consequences);

    4- A FATHER OR MOTHER (OR THEIR FATHERS OR MOTHERS) FOR KILLING THEIR OFFSPRING, OR OFFSPRING’S OFFSPRING;

    5- nor is retaliation permissible to a descendant for (A: his ancestor’s) killing someone whose death would otherwise entitle the descendant to retaliate, such as when his father kills his mother.

    Reliance of the Traveller online:

    http://defendingislam10.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/the-reliance-of-the-traveller.pdf

  70. Galabb

    Google “honour killing western world” or “honour killing Canada” or “honour killing” in wikipedia … and prepare to be shocked!

    until Muslims the world over begin decrying this barbaric custom, they will NOT be accepted or respected by the rest of the world! It is the muslim masses who must take control away from the radical fanatics that rule them, or be painted with the same brush!

    Did you know some jurisdictions in CANADA have already and others ARE CONSIDERING forms of sharia law ….

  71. Green Monkey

    Saudi women with attractive eyes may be forced to cover even them up, if resolution is passed

    Islamic state fears effect of ‘tempting’ eyes on men
    Says it ‘has the right’ to issue repressive edict
    Women must already cover their hair and wear full-length black cloak

    Women with attractive eyes may be forced to cover them up under Saudi Arabia’s latest repressive measure, it was revealed today.

    The ultra-conservative Islamic state has said it has the right to stop women revealing ‘tempting’ eyes in public.

    A spokesperson for Saudi Arabia’s Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice, Sheikh Motlab al Nabet, said a proposal to enshrine the measure in law has been tabled.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2063143/Saudi-women-attractive-eyes-forced-cover-resolution-passed.html#ixzz1e4QwMv66

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