Baptist Minister and Buddhist Monk Also Under Investigation For Incitement Of Terror
Oh… wait a minute, we got it all wrong – but you knew that already.
It was Muslim “radicals” who planned to blow fuel lines leading to John F. Kennedy International Airport and murder thousands of ordinary men, women and children. Of course, they say that their interpretation of the Koran and Allah’s wish for them is to kill non-believers and so be blessed.
Cue the Caribbean Muslim organisations…
Will the Muslim spokespersons now say “These guys are not true Muslims. Allah will punish them for murdering” or will they say, “We now fear a backlash.” without clearly denouncing the actions of the terrorists? Or will they say “We don’t believe it. It’s a set-up. No Muslim would ever do that!”
Like we say… Cue the Caribbean Muslim organisations…
CNN: 4 Charged With Terror Plot At JFK Airport
UPDATED: Nation News Headline Story Omits The “M” Word!
From Our “We Told Ya So!” Department…
The Nation News headline story this morning JFK Plot tells all about the plan to murder thousands of men, women and children whose only crime was to live near the jet-fuel depot and distribution pipelines…
Who Was Going To Terrorise and Murder?
Them. They. Terrorists. Radicals.
Call them anything… but for Allah’s Sake, just don’t say the “M” or the “I” words!!!!!
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June 3, 2007 at 4:19 am
Lets see
Trinidad basically now controls the Barbadian economy.
Guyana and Trinidad have horrible and maybe unsolvable crime and constant political instability.
Thank God we have the CCJ!!!
We are now saved for only a $100 million dollars or so. Remind me. I forgot, how many caribbean countries have joined this new INDEPEDENT body? Wasn’t this the brainchild of our government led by our Chief Justice?
All these terrorists will no doubt shortly be in jail and we can all look forward to a united caribbean and common market with the Rule of Law fully in place ( plus a devalued EEC currency ).
June 3, 2007 at 6:42 am
I’ve expressed by disagreement before, with the idea of mulsims living in Bim and a contributor kindly, informed us that daily, more are coming in with all of this emigration from Guyana and elsewhere – in my view, a huge mistake. It’s irrefutable, that wherever muslims go, in number, trouble follows. Nobody can persuade me of the ‘wisdom’ of allowing muslims into our country.
Do you fancy risking possible, injury to Bim’s economy and reputation when one of these miscreants eventually, comes from Bim?
Know anybody who works in the tourism industry, not to mention any other aspect of our country’s existence and all because of our PM’s lack of wisdom.
Trinidad, Guyana – they’re getting closer, guys. As I’ve warned, before; the clock is ticking even louder.
June 3, 2007 at 9:53 am
Bimbro: Bajans call the radio call-in programmes regularly, and write letters to the newspapers, with their concerns about “Guyanese in Barbados”. Not “Muslims in Barbados”. I can tell you openly that their concern is not based on RELIGION, but rather on RACE! They are unhappy about Bim being flooded with East Indians. If the Guyanese were all black, I don’t think it would be a problem. Bajans seem to be blissfully unaware of the wider picture. Some of the East Indians coming here are Hindus, who appear to be peaceful people. Guyanese coming here have “contacts” who hide them from Immigration. They also assume false names and are up to all kinds of tricks to avoid being deported. There was one Guyanese woman who had been deported from Barbados SEVEN times and she told Immigration that they would never stop her from coming here! These are the facts, Bimbro, and in my opinion, Immigration is not doing enough to stop the flood. Either they can’t be bothered, or they’re being rewarded handsomely. Sad, isn’t it.
June 3, 2007 at 10:11 am
Enjoy teh blog, pop in from time to time, BUT maybe BFP is a little too susceptible to hype from North America.
How many times has dubya claimed “we must fight them in Iraq so we won’t have to fight them on our streets”? Apparently that’s why he needed all those billions and US lives wasted.
Anybody else wonder if you-know-who and his parties’ falling popularity has anything to do with this?
And another perhaps not inconsequential point -. this “plot” was foiled by old fashion police work, no illegal wiretaps, no extraordinary rendition and no torture. The “threat” was actually like those that law enforcement agencies have always had to combat, as opposed to a threat unlike anything that has ever been faced before and therefore requiring the suspension of all civil liberties and standards of common decency.
Oh well.
June 3, 2007 at 10:19 am
Thank you, Thistle. I’m opposed to any, or too, many Asians being allowed to emigrate to our country, period because they have no genuine regard for us and will, most certainly, eventually, delight in taking over our country from us, as they do wherever they go . However, my main worry is with the insidious, pernicious, evil muslims who thrive on evil and disharmony.
I am very, disappointed to hear that Barbadians, on the whole, don’t seem to be alert to the danger of having those people, among them!
As for the Immigration personnel, we clearly, have to keep a close watch on them.
June 3, 2007 at 10:29 am
We are heading rapidly to the point of no return. 30,000 Guyanese estimated on this island – 10% of our population. Who knows who many Trinidadians, St. Lucians, Vincentians and this GOB is chastizing immigration officers for doing their job. Instead of control they are merrily opening our borders to more. All it takes is one crazy planting a bomb in St. Lawrence Gap and we become the Bali of the West. It will take decades to recover.
June 3, 2007 at 10:49 am
Do our immigration officials have a security warning list of Trinidadian and Guyanese muslim radicals if they try to enter at our borders? I wonder what happens if Abu Bakr’s henchmen land at our airport, do our security services keep tabs on their activity?
Is anyone monitoring if fundamentalist doctrine is making its way into the Friday prayers at mosques in St. Michael? Is the Ministry of Education monitoring what is being taught to the young minds at the Al-Hudaa Muslim School?
We are so dependent on tourism, all it takes is one bomb to change our way of life.
June 3, 2007 at 10:50 am
Get In The Action: Oh, how right you are! But I beg you – don’t give them any more ideas (St. Lawrence Gap, etc.). Bajans are still fooling themselves that “it can’t happen here”, yet many of the things that we’ve been saying all through the years that “can’t happen here” ARE happening here right now. How wonderful it would be if the Chief Immigration Officer could say to Owing, “P…ss off and let me do my job”, but that will never happen unfortunately.
June 3, 2007 at 10:55 am
Go to
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6715985.stm
and see what BBC is saying about two of these Caribbean Cuckoo’s being assoc. with our dear Islamic friends at Trinidad’s Jamaat al Mislimeen !!
I love Islam: it’s such a CARING religion, so peaceful so tolerant, so entirely full of spin and bullshiRt, and oh so dangerous in a cutely-schizophrenic kinda way.
Don’t you feel that way about them,too?
All warm and fuzzy..that inner feeling?
No?
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Well, Boys & Girls,
if we weren’t on the map before,
we sure are now!
June 3, 2007 at 11:01 am
Thistle
It is very worrying. I travel every few weeks and I see how easy Caricom nationals get into our country. It’s almost a rubber stamp. I fear that our borders are not as secure as we would hope. Can you imagine the tailspin our tourism industry will be in, if they find Abdel Nur hiding in Barbados, with the support of Bajan muslims. It’s not impossible.
June 3, 2007 at 11:42 am
Thanks, ‘Plot Thickens’ for the BBC link. I see that the vermin who were arrested for the 1990 coup attempt in Trinidad were released just two years later, in 1992. Is it any wonder that they feel emboldened enough to try, again.
Let’s hope that when they put the bastards away, this time, that they don’t see the light of day again for an extremely long time, if at all, ever!
June 3, 2007 at 5:01 pm
You never know who is looking for a few extra votes and from whom.
June 3, 2007 at 6:14 pm
This is one of the reasons we are working in Guyana. We have serious problems over there, and today Stabroek News tells us that 3 of the 4 men are Guyanese.
On the race or religion question, the Beeb goes on to tell us that Jamaat al-Muslimeen seems to be mainly supported by black Muslims. There’s no way the race element of this will be sidestepped in Guyana though, and it will be manna for a lot of misguided people.
I don’t particularly care whether it is a fishy coincidence this comes out in G8 week or not – presumably these guys were going to do it, so it accurately highlights the awful problem we have been discussing.
How on earth can the authorities keep tabs on the vast number of extremists? Just as pertinently, how can we keep on top of them without losing our own liberties – a debate which is presently raging in UK, and has kicked off again this weekend.
Check out this abominable quote in Stabroek:
‘Opposition Leader Robert Corbin […] described Kadir as an outstanding citizen of Linden and Member of Parliament who had led a distinguished career as a civil engineering professional.
Corbin said he was aware the former Member of Parliament was a devout Muslim. “We knew that Mr Kadir always had ties with international Muslim organisations who helped him to carry out activities… and we at the PNCR did not know him ever being involved in any illegal or criminal activities, and we have nothing on record on misbehaviour on the part of Kadir,” Corbin said’
I try and stay out of party politics, but I don’t see much to be proud of there. Religious extremism is a malaise, a sickness of the mind which can be cultivated by a jawdropping variety of factors. It is just a matter of time till Muslim extremists visit another tragedy somewhere.
By the way, nice leader BFP, quite appropriate.
June 4, 2007 at 1:52 am
Little Barbados; we are not immune from violence which plagued other countries. We have been lucky and I hope this luck continues.
Every one still remembers that awful September in the USA. Innocent people, including Bajans lost their lives. Since then, travelling has been a nightmare for the ‘true travelling public’. U.K. citizens were still favoured when they reached the shores of the USA.This all changed after the ’shoe bomber’, Richard Reid.
Citizens in the English caribbean were not regarded as dangerous in comparrison to those of Middle Eastern origins.
This will change now, thanks to those group of gentlemen.
A word of caution!
Those men have not been tried and found guilty in a court of law, yet.
June 4, 2007 at 2:12 am
“Thank you, Thistle. I’m opposed to any, or too, many Asians being allowed to emigrate to our country, period because they have no genuine regard for us and will, most certainly, eventually, delight in taking over our country from us, as they do wherever they go . However, my main worry is with the insidious, pernicious, evil muslims who thrive on evil and disharmony.”
“I’ve expressed by disagreement before, with the idea of mulsims living in Bim and a contributor kindly, informed us that daily, more are coming in with all of this emigration from Guyana and elsewhere – in my view, a huge mistake. It’s irrefutable, that wherever muslims go, in number, trouble follows. Nobody can persuade me of the ‘wisdom’ of allowing muslims into our country.”
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Dear Bimbro,
Thank God (or The Great Pumkin) that you are not in charge of this country. Talk about Xenophobia. I hear you loud and clear: Let’s round up all the Asians and kick ‘em out, oh and all the Muslims too!
You appear (to me at least) to be no different from the Whites in the South of the US who would (or still do) make life a living hell for Blacks. Or the Germans and the Jews, back in the day.
As for the East Indians, ever heard of Mahatma Gandhi or the Hindu philosophy? Not all East Indians are muslims, and not all are violent.
Unfortunately, I’m not expert with regards to Islam/Muslims, so I couldn’t tell you what they preach and advocate. If it’s violence and mayhem, then fine, gather them up, meet with them, tell them the rules and regulations in Bim and if they don’t like it, get out, or face the consequences if they break the rules. We don’t want no trouble in Barbados.
Brimbro, you cry and complain about people taking over our country. We ourselves are letting other people take over our country. Our own elected Government allows it to happen, and you want to point the finger? We have only ourselves to blame, not other people. Case in point: Owen & Co. are regularly in bed with the Chinese. Are Chinese Asians okay with you?
I am not pro-religion, nor pro-race. If you’re black, white or pink, Christian, Hindu, Muslim or Martian, you can sit down and have a drink with me and be my friend. I’m not interested in your colour, nor your faith and least of all, your politics. You are a person and I am one, too. Better yet, if you’re a cute girl, I’m even more willing to be your friend. Just don’t force your religion and you beliefs upon me, because I’m not going to force mine on you.
My main point here is that we can’t just put up walls simply because someone is Asian, Black, White or Martian. At the end of the day, we are all living on the same planet and we are all inter-connected. Everyone depends on everyone else and Barbados is no different. We are small island with no resources and a small population. We have to be open-minded, but cautious and careful, obviously.
Save that kind of talk for when Earth is attacked by aliens. Then watch and see how all of us will suddenly unite.
Yours,
The Bystander.
June 4, 2007 at 2:52 am
The Bystander:
Be careful…..others have been raked over the coals for that point of view before on this site.
Just a word to the wise.
June 4, 2007 at 3:23 am
Some guy up north promised his citizens and the world in general that after invading a certain country/s “the world will be a safer place”. well we’ve now seen how much safer we are.
It seems that when u harmed someone ,the victim has a couple of choices:-turn a blind eye,seek justice through legal means[lawcourts etc] or retaliate to hurt.it seems to me the guy up there chose to harm the wrong people[this time muslims],and those who are sympathetic{u hurt 1 u hurt all doctrine} with them are now trying to retaliate.thats why you see them being attacked/plotted from all corners..
Tell me another thing, where was the “civilized world “when iraq/afghanistan were invaded. u.n. sanctions,penalties etc, no no just turn a blind eye like nothing happened.muslims will obviously see this as an injustice,hence conservative muslims who sit on the fence will be coerced to join the extremists who will attract them with verses/quotes/speeches that enjoin fighting/standing up to/defending against the “enemy”.
Any time there are injustices being done people will always rebel.
I mean even here in bim ,some men burn down their own house if his estanged wife gets to keep it. people chop up one another if they find out that de uder partner was horning them.
If those in power ruled with justice i doubted there would so much anger/hate in this world.
i always remembered what someone told me along time ago when the palestinian vs israeli conflict was the only news where u heard the word terrorist. about the palesti.. .He said….the less they’ve got, the less they’ve got to lose. In my opinion i feel this is the reason we see so many suicide bombers,they see people around them being humilated and say to themselves i maybe next ,so i may as well go down guns blazing blown up whatever than to stamped upon .
In closing, in pirates ofthe caribbean1-2-3 did ya notice the pirates [sparrow bloom kiera] are portrayed as the good guys.we were always taught pirates r bad.
ONE MAN’S TERRORIST IS ANOTHER MAN’S FREEDOM FIGHTER.
so here ’s a salute to all those ‘terrorists’ like Bussa,simonbolivar,marcusgarvey,frenchresistance, greenpeace?,abe lincon n all those ‘american terrorists’ who fought against the british for their independence in 1776.
June 4, 2007 at 3:43 am
re: thank you thistle,im opposed to any………………………
dear mr.bimbro, if u change the word asian with blacks/africans and changed the word muslims with slaves i would’ve thought that u were a british master writing an article in ‘britannia forever’ in 1722 or thereabouts.
June 4, 2007 at 7:20 am
Bimbro says that Asians “will, most certainly, eventually, delight in taking over our country from us, as they do wherever they go.”
Care to elaborate on this statement, bimbro, and name any country where Asians have “taken over”…?
To me, this sounds like an opinion based merely on bigotry rather than fact.
June 4, 2007 at 9:35 am
So Bimbro, you have no problem with USA and UK, not to mention Hong Kong, Germany etc deporting all Bajan relatives who work and live in those countries earning a decent, valid and highly-contributing living, not to mention in some cases very well representing our Nation?
The authorities might see them as drug peddlers (aka the Yardies) or Jamaat-al-Muslimeen, if your take on it is used as standard procedure worldwide.
Talk about the dark ages!
June 4, 2007 at 11:24 am
“The Bystander:
Be careful…..others have been raked over the coals for that point of view before on this site.
Just a word to the wise.”
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Dear Chase,
What point of view is that? The one where I don’t care about a person’s colour, creed, religion or politics? The one where I am willing to get along with you, so long as you do my friends, family and myself, no harm and do not try to force your beliefs and religion down my throat, even if you are a Muslim?
I’m going to be raked over the coals for that? If so, then go ahead. BFP and its readers have raked me over the coals in the past when I asked for a link to my little blog. Thank you for the advice, Chase.
This island cannot afford to live in isolation. We are part of the Caribbean and a part of the world. We cannot simply say ban all Asians and think that that will solve everything. Imagine if the Indians did come in their numbers for CWC, how would we deal with that?
Why don’t we ban the ‘BET culture’ as well? All that thug life, gang-banging, 22-inch-chrome-rim nonsense? Maybe the violent crime and murder rate will drop. Maybe.
Oh, and you see that computer/car/TV/electronic gadget you use? That’s made somewhere in Asia. We should stop using those things as well, I mean, if we don’t want ‘their kind’ in Bim, then we shouldn’t use their products either! Bring back the donkey cart, at least road deaths will decrease dramatically.
Let’s kick out the Guyanese too. They’re stealing all of our jobs, right? (wink, wink, sarcasm.) Never mind the fact that we Barbadians refuse to work for those very same jobs because they are ‘beneath us’ and the pay may or may not be to little.
Businesses hire the Guyanese. Do you think they really want to? I don’t know. But if we’re not interested in the work, businesses have to survive and they will find labour elsewhere. Same thing with the US. They can find a cheaper labour pool in Asia, so, in the interest of their bottomlines, they shift.
(sarcastically) Round up all the Guyanese and put them out. Oh, and don’t forget, Bajans rushed to Guyana years ago for the same reasons they rush to us here and now.
Chase, Voltaire said: “I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.”
Brimbro & Co. are fully entitled to express their view, however dangerous I may think it is (I mean, come on, ban people from entering our country based upon their race, isn’t that extreme?) So I guess other countries should adopt that same position and ban all Caribbean people from coming over.
Round up all those Caribbean citizens, or better yet, direct ties to the Caribbean and deport them! Start with the bajans living in the US/UK. (sarcasm)
It will be a sad, sad day when countries start doing that. The world will revert back to a time when there was hardly any international travel, etc. and citizens will stay in their own countries. I guess I could live with that, so long as the ratio of women to men is favourable towards the men!
Yours,
The Bystander.
June 4, 2007 at 11:32 am
Posted this in the wrong place. Apologies, here it is again:
Recent Salafi Manhaj (famous “only kill justly” quote) lecture went to Trinidad also. Barbados secret service, police and Muslim community should be aware, and vigilant at this stage, and work with anti-terrorist groups.
In spite of the fact that we are not racist it is an absolute necessity to ensure radicalism does not penetrate our country, and that includes or local Islamic community.
Here’s a link to show Sunni Salafi link between Bim, Canada and Trinidad. See the tiny Trini flag, Bajan flag, Canada flag and contact names:
http://www.troid.org/
June 4, 2007 at 11:51 am
Well, ’samizdat’, somebody referred earlier to Bim now being owned by the Trini. asians and, in the UK, there’s hardly a business which is n’t owned by Asians which means that they’re the employers which, to all intents and purposes, to me, means that ‘they have taken over’! What does it mean to you?
Bigotry is a term used, far too often, in my view, by people who have nothing much sensible, to say and just want to ‘put down’ the other side, like racist or homophobic.
I’m not interested in insulting people just in FACING the truth.
Rumplestilskin, I’m not aware of any large number of Barbadians, or in fact any, at all, being terrorists, sucicide bombers, and the rest. If I were then I’d prescribe the same remedy for them.
You can’t imagine Bim not being over-run by Asians. Well, I can’t recall ever seeing an Asian while I was living there and in the UK, where I grew up, there were about half a dozen Asians only, in my school of perhaps, a thousand pupils and about one, african. The situation is entirely, reversed now, of course. It just goes to show how limited is the experience of some of you and how, deeply the asian onslaught has penetrated your psyche.
How many black people, especially, west indians, do you suppose are in Asia?
Chase and others, if you’re happy for your country to be run-over by asians, then that’s a matter for you!
June 4, 2007 at 12:03 pm
Bimbro: Waste of time trying to get some people to accept what you and I know (each time I visit the U.K. I ask myself, “My God, where are the English?”). When this place finally gets taken over, like Guyana over the years, those who welcome Muslims here will hold their heads and bawl (Trini expression!) “How did this happen?” just as the English are asking themselves that question now. What’s worse, as a backlash, the BNP in the U.K. is picking up votes like crazy as you probably know, and that is frightening.
June 4, 2007 at 12:38 pm
Bimbro:
Just a question.What would you do to stop or control this problem if you had the chance?
June 4, 2007 at 2:29 pm
Is that an invitation to become PM of Bim, Chase? No, I don’t want to be, anymore. I’m, too, old now….but, I might be open to persuasion – you never, know.
But, were I PM of Bim, I would need to know precisely, the identity of everybody entering Bim and the ethnicity of all proposed immigrants. I would not tolerate an excess of Asians going there, to take over our country and I would be most reluctant to allow, in particular, ANY muslims there, at all. I would also favour banning the religion in Bim, altogether, for starters. That’s only my first policy.:)
Any shops in Bim, still owned by Bajans? It’s only the beginning!
Thanks for your support, ‘Thistle’. It’s nice to speak to somebody who has wider knowledge and experience than some of the folks here seem to do.
June 4, 2007 at 2:41 pm
Bimbro wrote:
‘in the UK, there’s hardly a business which isn’t owned by Asians’
Thistle wrote:
(each time I visit the U.K. I ask myself, “My God, where are the English?”)
You guys are despicable.
I’m a Brit, of Bajan/Jamaican heritage. I lived and worked in many parts of the UK until relocating to Bim three years ago, and I want readers of BFP unfamiliar with the UK to know that both of you are spouting rubbish.
Of course there are serious race issues in the UK, and some (exclusively urban) areas in London and the Midlands have large “ethnic minority” minority communities.
But to suggest that the UK as a whole is being “taken over” by non-whites/foreigners of any kind is a racist lie – the kind of lie I as a black Brit grew up hearing.
Shame on you both.
June 4, 2007 at 3:12 pm
“Any shops in Bim, still owned by Bajans? It’s only the beginning”
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Dear Bimbro (and Thistle),
Let me see if I understand you. It’s because of foreigners and Asians in particular, that there is a lack of Barbadian-owned businesses?
I find that hard to believe. We have only ourselves to blame for this situation. Furthermore, if it disgusts you so much, STOP buying from them. That’s like saying it is because of white people that there are no black-owned businesses in Bim.
Blacks are the majority in Bim and have a lot more power than they think they do. To bad Malcolm X isn’t alive and in Bim. But wait, he was a Muslim too, right? Maybe MLK instead.
Go and find 100% Barbadian owned and operated businesses and support them. When you find them, let me know, I’ll support them too! Throw away all your foreign owned goods. Buy Bajan. Make a difference. Ooops, can’t happen. We are dependent on them and they are dependent on us.
What do you think will happen when this fancy gas line between Bim and TT comes online? Doesn’t that scare you too? One of the largest customers is supposed to be BL&P! Our lone supplier of electricity. Yet our Government is still pushing ahead with it. I can see the future headlines now. TT and BB have big fall out, TT cuts supply of natural gas to BB, BB suffers.
I agree 100% with you that there are many non-bajan owned businesses in Bim, but why are you blaming that on outsiders and Asians? Why not do something about it?
Let’s say you become PM. Besides dictating what religions/faiths people can choose (I suppose your religion/race is the only right one, correct?) What will you do to address the business ownership issue?
If I may humbly suggest:
1. You need to start educating Barbadians from young to take risks and to learn to rock the boat! We’ve always played it safe because that is what our parents told us. “Be thankful for what you have…” Rubbish! We have to strive for more and challenge the status quo! We have to get up off of our tails and recognize that the world does not revolve around us!
2. You need to start teaching business and entrepreneurship skills from an early age at school. Our current education only favours professions, lawyer, doctor, engineer, etc. What about business leaders and capitalism? What about learning about economics and how the world works? Or are you content with waiting on God (and the Great Pumpkin) to provide for you? Our educational system just churns out employees for the established businesses in Bim, of which, there are hardly any black owners. (I don’t like the race issue, but it’s valid here.) Where are the learned intellectuals of our time? Hah. Our very own Government intimidates and tries to silence independent thoughts/voices. How can a country truly develop with that sort of foolishness going on?
3. When you’re PM, do something about foreign land ownership. There are some countries that only allow foreigners to lease land, they cannot own it. We need to do that here. You can’t do much about business ownership because then you’ll be messing around with capitalism/markets/etc. Money goes where it is respected and I won’t invest in a country where my money is not respected. Without direct foreign invesetment, BB will lose big. What’s your plan for recovery?
4. Are all Muslims extreme? If not, then is it fair to ban all of them? I see your point though and I am willing to agree with it partially. For the record, I’m not Muslim, nor Christian. I don’t follow any particular religion nor do I support any.
5. Mr. PM, tell us, now that you’ve isolated us from the rest of the world (no Asians, no foreigners, no Trinis, no Guyanese) how do you plan on ensuring that we Barbadians have a sustainable future. One where generations of Barbadians will live in prosperity.
Yours,
The Bystander.
(P.S., BFP, sorry for the length of this comment.)
June 4, 2007 at 4:00 pm
Well…….I had to ask .
Now that I see you response,I understand exactly where you are coming from,your views and your feelings.
There is no need for a response from me as The Bystander has responded in kind and it would only be a duplicate to his post.
At least we know were you stand on the issue for sure.
June 4, 2007 at 4:46 pm
bimbro and thistle sound very much like hitler and his rantings about jews taking over germany. the two of them have the right to say what they wish but as far as i am concerned they are disgusting.
like it or not the movement of people is a phenomenon that has been part of history for centuries and nothing can stop it.
June 4, 2007 at 5:44 pm
This bystander chap nails it for me also Chase.
Thistle is right about the rise of the racist BNP in Britain being frightening though. The worst thing about this, is that its not just loonies who are voting for them; decent people are beginning to vote for them too. Trouble-a-plenty lies down that road.
I can understand the fear about rapidly growing ehnic minorities. When I used to travel from Wales to London, stepping off the train in Paddington station was such an immediate culture shock that it was like stepping into another world for me.
I empathise, and would also like to see Britain drastically reduce immigration pretty sharpish
One thing I would throw into the mix though. Have people seen the projections for mass people migration when global heating starts to bite in a few years time…?
Pause for a moment…
Now tell me, when you read that sentence above, did you assume the problem would be inward migration and you wanted to stop them.. or did you assume it would be Bajans wanting to leave because of deteriorating conditions on the island?
If you have a problem with immigration, the best thing you could do is join an environmental group and start pushing the debate in Barbados.
By the way, great to see Voltaire quoted here! That’s actually one of his better ones, he unfortunately came up with some racist stuff as well, but I put that down to living in unenlightened times ~ which is why I find racism, religious extremism and apathy toward social problems today so difficult to tolerate. We have enough facts before us to come to enlightened conclusions, and inaction means sharing some guilt.
No apologies for the long post.
June 4, 2007 at 7:23 pm
I said I would end my contributions and I fully intend to do so. However, the use of comparatives like Hitler, and to call people racists and bigots for saying what the facts support is counter productive in finding solutions if there are any at this the 11th hour of a crisis out of control. And the making of which must fall squarely on the shoulders of politicians of all stripes in the Nations involved. Because of similar problems in Canada I felt compelled to contribute this last set of thoughts because of some of the misguided nonsense I am reading!
I cannot speak about the problems in the UK because I do not live there, but I can speak about the problems in Canada especially Toronto and I am using my 50 years of living here to do so. And without prejudice, racism, bigotry or any other such foolishness as motives. There is a saying that goes if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck it is a duck!
Let me begin by saying 90% of all of our immigrant population are law abiding people, contribute significantly to our great nation, work hard, raise decent children, and live the Canadian dream as all other Canadians do. Then there is the other 10 to 15% who are common thugs, criminals, drug dealers, gun runners, rapists and lowlifes. These are the ones causing mayhem in our country and regrettably but truthfully and the FACTS support this 99.9% are a sub culture of MAINLY black Jamaicans.
Politicians want us to ban guns, control guns, do this do that but what they never face or ask is this. If we could eradicate or deport all of these thugs back to Jamaica our problem would be 99 % solved. Instead of worrying about guns no one asks why are these blacks the only ones using guns? That should be the focus of the problem. If we sent these thugs back to Jamaica where possible our gun crime would be greatly diminished or end!
Thistle who visited Canada said in a response to me what a wonderful country Canada is but then added “Your crime is really bad” what she did not qualify and obviously has the smarts to do so is that our crime is being committed by a sub culture of blacks of Jamaican origin. Without them we would have no or little violent crime.
We, like I suspect many Nations have opened our borders to any and all without proper screening of their characters, integrity etc and we have ended up with what we deserve. The scum of society. Back when I and anyone else emigrated to Canada you had to submit a picture of yourself, along with a complete medical exam, a police report showing you had no criminal record and a letter from your reverend, pastor whatever saying you were a good person. Most of these requirements today are banned as being racist and the results are now obvious to all!
The tragedy of it all is this. The good immigrants of all colors and ethnic background wish this policy was still in effect because they like every other Canadian are sick and fed up with the bloody crime, whining and complaining of these lowlifes.
Who does not like this truth about the situation let me apologize to them.
What amazes me is when these youths get into trouble up here all you hear the mother say is He was a good boy and I know he would not have been doing anything wrong like that to deserve being shot. Yet he has a police record that spans years.
The mothers of these thugs are just as much to blame for the carnage as is their siblings. And everyone asks how can people like this get passports and landed immigrant status? I say ask the damn politicians they brought them in!
June 4, 2007 at 7:33 pm
WATCH OUT BARBADOS.
They’ve named one terror suspect in Jamaica a month or two ago. Now one in Guyana and one in Trinidad and Tobago. The USA is punishing CARICOM for going along with Chavez…. MARK MY WORDS. the FBI will find— a Bar-bajan soon tooo…..
June 4, 2007 at 7:34 pm
I predict they will say it’s a muslim somewhere down cheapside… Don’t forget Barbados has an FBI office too so the CIA/FBI can pull it off… They pulled off the bombing of the Cuban airliner off Barbados already in the ’70s….
June 4, 2007 at 7:36 pm
Dear Bystander, you should n’t use Malcom X to support your case. Was n’t he assassinated by another MUSLIM! That supports my argument, not yours.
I assume that, by now, you’ve realised that I don’t live in Bim, anymore.
I’m not too, worried about the pipeline, ‘By’. I’ve got to assume that, to an extent, Arthur knows what he’s doing. You voted him back two or three times, so I assume that he does. I assume that the Trinis need the custom just as we need the electricity.
I have to accept it when you say that there’re insufficent black-owned businesses, in Bim. I don’t know as I have n’t been there for a very, long time. However, perhaps you could suggest why that is. If I were PM, there would have to be many more. I would absolutely, insist upon it and give black, people all the assistance I possibly, could to set up in business. Absolutely, no asian-takeover in MY Bim!
You would n’t need to worry about my ‘interfering with capitalism’. I’m a confirmed capitalist. I would like to see a great deal more capitalism in Bim but especially, by black people.
It’s ok, I would n’t keep out the world, mainly the muslims and allow in only a certain number of asians. It would probably, still, far exceed the number of us, which they allow into their countries.
R u going to vote for me, now?
‘hitlers’, it’s silly to say that ‘nothing can stop it’. That’s why you can’t emigrate to just any country in the world which you’d like to, or, say, Mexicans to the US, except without extreme difficulty.
I don’t disagree with much of what you say, ‘Gob’, except to say that I’m not impressed by Voltaire’s quote. It takes more than a famous name to impress me. He lived a long time ago, and was n’t in the position which we face, today in Bim and elsewhere.
Looking forward to all your support.
June 4, 2007 at 9:01 pm
“Dear Bystander, you should n’t use Malcom X to support your case. Was n’t he assassinated by another MUSLIM! That supports my argument, not yours”
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Dear PM Bimbro,
Sorry, my bad. I didn’t realize he was taken out by another Muslim, not that I doubt you or anything like that, but was this really the case, can anyone confirm this for the sake of accuracy? I will also do a little Googling tonight.
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“I have to accept it when you say that there’re insufficent black-owned businesses, in Bim. I don’t know as I have n’t been there for a very, long time. However, perhaps you could suggest why that is. If I were PM, there would have to be many more. I would absolutely, insist upon it and give black, people all the assistance I possibly, could to set up in business. Absolutely, no asian-takeover in MY Bim!
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Dear PM Bimbro,
There are few black-owned businesses because of the following (among other reasons I suspect, but these are, I think, most important:)
(Note to BLP and DLP: WAKE UP! The BTP is on your tail, Bimbro Thistle Party.)
1. You need to start educating Barbadians from young to take risks and to learn to rock the boat! We’ve always played it safe because that is what our parents told us. “Be thankful for what you have…” Rubbish! We have to strive for more and challenge the status quo! We have to get up off of our tails and recognize that the world does not revolve around us!
2. You need to start teaching business and entrepreneurship skills from an early age at school. Our current education only favours professions, lawyer, doctor, engineer, etc. What about business leaders and capitalism? What about learning about economics and how the world works? Or are you content with waiting on God (and the Great Pumpkin) to provide for you? Our educational system just churns out employees for the established businesses in Bim, of which, there are hardly any black owners. (I don’t like the race issue, but it’s valid here.) Where are the learned intellectuals of our time? Hah. Our very own Government intimidates and tries to silence independent thoughts/voices. How can a country truly develop with that sort of foolishness going on?
As for the ‘Asian’ take-over. You have to take the good with the bad. If you limit outside investment in Bim, be prepared for the consequences. We are not self-sufficient and never will be. No country is. Even the big boys need other countries. The US doesn’t have any oil, so they have to deal with the countries that do. Trinidad has oil, but they still need Bim. Bim has a stable economy/politics, so we’re attractive to outsiders.
We are all connected and need each other. Each country does what they do best and trades with those that offer what they can’t produce. As a result, trade between countries (tangible/intangible) will occur and problems will occur as well. Culture clashes, politics, religion, race, etc.
PM Bimbro, keep the Asians out if you want. I can’t vote for you on that. You got my vote for the black-business support, once you reform education and encourage capitalism, entrepreneurship, etc. But remember, just because you’re black doesn’t mean you are entitled to a handout! There are some white businessmen who started with nothing at all and through hard work and sweat, they made it. Why should black people be treated differently? Give everyone an equal footing and let the best man (or woman) win!
As for Voltaire’s quote, it wasn’t my intention to impress anyone by dropping the name. The name means nothing to me as I am far from being well read. I simply liked what he had to say: “I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.”
Maybe these few words of mine will one day be popular and have great significance: No man is an island, even an island is no longer an island.
Good luck with your platform.
Yours,
The Bystander.
June 4, 2007 at 9:40 pm
Bimbro: It sounds as if you’re anti-white as well. That’s where we would differ. As regards colour I have absolutely no prejudice whatsoever. If I sound harsh on Muslims it is not because I dislike all Muslims and all Asians – far from it – they are hard working people with business acumen and they know how to save money instead of licking it out on brand name clothes and ghetto blasters and fancy cars. It is Muslim RADICALS that I hate. It would seem that some people on here love them.
June 4, 2007 at 10:38 pm
Thistle, please quote anything that I’ve said that could be construed as “anti-white”?
All I’ve done is call you (and Bimbro) out on the racist implications of what you say.
As for what you say about “radical” (if by that you mean violently anti-Christian)Muslims, that’s a much more specific and less sweepingly anti-foreigner statement.
And so of course I can agree with you.
As for you Bimbro, and your admission that you haven’t visited Barbados for a very long time: I think many of us on this blog who do live here find the uninformed comments of people like you pretty foolish and inconsequential.
But then again, seems BFP is becoming the net equivalent of Down To Brass Tacks: the home for some silly old men with too much time on their hands…:}
June 4, 2007 at 11:29 pm
“Bimbro: It sounds as if you’re anti-white as well. That’s where we would differ. As regards colour I have absolutely no prejudice whatsoever. If I sound harsh on Muslims it is not because I dislike all Muslims and all Asians – far from it – they are hard working people with business acumen and they know how to save money instead of licking it out on brand name clothes and ghetto blasters and fancy cars. It is Muslim RADICALS that I hate. It would seem that some people on here love them.”
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Dear Thistle,
Please allow me to make one thing crystal clear to Bimbro and yourself:
I do not support nor endorse, in any form or fashion, the policies and/or philosophies/beliefs of extreme Muslims, or any other religious/political/etc extreme group.
So if you were trying to imply that I am one of the people on BFP that love Muslim extremists, you are sadly mistaken.
Understand me clearly, if you are an extreme Muslim and/or you are looking to do evil towards innocent people, friends/family and myself, then I will look upon you in a totally different light and let the Bimbro’s and the Thistle’s of the world deal with you accordingly. I don’t care if you’re Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Martian or George Michael.
So, Thistle, I hope you and I now have a CHRISTIAN understanding.
Get it? LOL!
Yours,
The Bystander.
June 4, 2007 at 11:43 pm
Samizdat: I think you’ve got your knickers in a twist! I was not referring to anything you stated, or I would have mentioned your name. I said to Bimbro “It sounds as if you’re (Bimbro) anti-white as well” (as well as being anti-Jamaican and anti-Muslim.) So cool it, my bro. Yes, it is radical Muslims I fear – not peaceful ones. I just wish the peaceful ones would speak out against the radicals, but they won’t, which makes you think they’re in agreement with the terrorists.
June 4, 2007 at 11:56 pm
Bystander: I have no problem with having a CHRISTIAN understanding with you, but I’m wondering just how CHRISTIAN it can be on your side, when you constantly refer to God as The Great Pumpkin?
June 4, 2007 at 11:58 pm
Work hard 24/7.
Spend minimally, and that on business enhancing necessary items.
Cultivate like minded achievers.
Stay focussed on the goal of independence.
Success for anyone who will take this discipline is 5 years down the road.
If you really want it, it is waiting for all the deserving, whatever colour.
It will never be handed on a plate, it’s too hard earned.
There are no short cuts for the man at the bottom.
Pride and Industry!
June 5, 2007 at 12:17 am
“Bystander: I have no problem with having a CHRISTIAN understanding with you, but I’m wondering just how CHRISTIAN it can be on your side, when you constantly refer to God as The Great Pumpkin”
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Dear Thistle,
Kindly read through all of my comments from Day 1.
I always post (unless there was a typo):
God OR The Great Pumpkin.
God AND The Great Pumpkin.
I DO NOT refer to God AS The Great Pumkin.
Look at my posts for today. Do a search for ‘pumpkin’ in your browser and see what word I use.
Stop with the Spin! Sheesh.
Yours,
The Bystander.
June 5, 2007 at 12:17 am
SINCE 911 I BELIEVE ABOUT 10% OF WHAT AMERICA HAS TO SAY. THIS TO ME IS ANOTHER PLOY TO DIVERT ATTENTION AND ALLOW THEM TO HAVE A RENEWED FOCUS ON THE WAR ON TERROR. POOR CARRIBEAN!!!!
June 5, 2007 at 12:19 am
“Work hard 24/7.
Spend minimally, and that on business enhancing necessary items.
Cultivate like minded achievers.
Stay focussed on the goal of independence.
Success for anyone who will take this discipline is 5 years down the road.
If you really want it, it is waiting for all the deserving, whatever colour.
It will never be handed on a plate, it’s too hard earned.
There are no short cuts for the man at the bottom.
Pride and Industry!”
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Dear Snowflake,
Well said! No arguement there. Full agreement.
Yours,
The Bystander.
June 5, 2007 at 12:53 am
Farmer:
I too share your view.
With all the lies about Iraq,I have a hard time believing anything the Americans say now.
What I find coincidental is that this has come at a time when Hugo Chavez and South America are becoming a thorn in America’s side.
One has to be careful,this could be a ploy to threaten the Caribbean or hold us to ransom for their own agendas.
Remember when we didn’t sign the first shiprider agreement..our airport got a failing grade.I just hope we are not to be used as pawns in their games.
June 5, 2007 at 1:56 am
[...] I wonder what Prime Minister Bimbro would do with regards to the whole environmental issue? Just kidding [...]
June 5, 2007 at 2:49 am
Ah, my bad Thistle. A stupid misreading on my part. Sorry dude.
June 5, 2007 at 4:23 am
This may well be another piece of mis information generated by the US administration to get more sympathy or reason for starting another war, Bush at his best, I have little or not trush in anything american since 9/11 they are dishonest as ever.
June 5, 2007 at 4:26 am
trust
June 5, 2007 at 4:29 am
I second that emotion or third it ( whichever). This whole thing is just a little too convenient . All of a sudden after all the World Cup ’security ‘ has been put in place , we have this turning up ‘proving’ to us that we did the right thing just in time .Phew.Very smooth . Why go back to New York again , obviously the security would be so much more tighter than other places. My theory is that the string pullers( whomever they may be (and i think i have a pretty good idea , they are the ones that benefit most from all this smoke and mirrors stuff) feel that this will bring back memories of 911 and hence the fear factor will be that much greater and the hence the cry for even more’security’ . Read into that further erosion of our rights , we need to be ‘protected’ you know.
June 5, 2007 at 4:42 am
Is anybody else deserving of banning from Bim?
I aint saying, nuttun!:)
Visa regulations might need tightening, though.
Bystander, I’m not anti-white. However, I am, pro-black.
North Star, I have just seen and read your post of yesterday at 7.23 pm and would like you to know that I, 100% agree with everything which you said. The situation in the UK is even worse, and you probably, can’t even imagine how it could be worse, but believe me, it can.
However, I don’t propose to say anything further on that subject, at the moment, because we’ve already got somebody ‘accusing me’ and I had n’t said, anything, yet.
Don’t stop your contributions, North Star. The more light shed on this and other problems, the better.
I, so, admire your guts in speaking-out. It’s amazing how cowardly, our people can be about recognising the truth.
Bystander, you said; As for the ‘Asian’ take-over. You have to take the good with the bad. If you limit outside investment in Bim, be prepared for the consequences. We are not self-sufficient and never will be. No country is. Even the big boys need other countries. The US doesn’t have any oil, so they have to deal with the countries that do. Trinidad has oil, but they still need Bim. Bim has a stable economy/politics, so we’re attractive to outsiders.
Don’t worry, Bystander. Clico can stay! I think they’re Trinidadian, i.e. East Asian.:)
June 5, 2007 at 6:01 am
like catholicism .and colonialism each has created its bug bear, freedom is only a word touted by the powerful, we none of us are free,just look at our supermarket shelves and you will know for sure we are not free. heh heh heh ,..
June 5, 2007 at 6:07 am
as for those so called terrorist i will wait and see .remember us election is next year, innocent until proven guilty . that is the American way is it not?
June 5, 2007 at 7:29 am
In politics, in our personal lives, it’s the same terrible thing. You get busted as a liar, and no-one will believe you ever again – even if this time you’re telling the truth.
Just like the little boy who stupidly cried “wolf”. When the snarling beast really was about to devour him and he cried out for help: no-one believed him.
Until it was too late…
June 5, 2007 at 8:54 am
Who really believes that there are terrorists in the Caribbean??? What are they going to hit??? Seriously. If terrorists made it into the Western hemisphere I telling you they are not going to go for a small country like Barbados, those terrorist would go str8 for the US border and trying and sneak across…. What they gon hit in Barbados? Some ole piece of American owned gas station or something? Com’mon now they would go for big targets in the US.
Plus the USA already did this script… But this is Patrick Mannings fault…. Manning stepped out of his place saying that Atlantic LNG is soo “importaint” to the USA, and he say how little Trinidad in this hemisphere is providing Energy Security to the USA during the Iraq war… And all kinda thing. And how Manning not only wants to expand Atlantic LNG in T&T ( http://www.atlanticlng.com/ ) But—- firstly he say he want to build a gas pipeline going to Guadeloupe and Martinique first and after that… (Because those two have a good ratio betwen 1) distance of pipeline and 2) amount of population.) Then he wants to extend it further heading towards St. Kitts and Montserrat where it starts to become expansive to build to however past there it becomes less expensive as it comes Dominican Republic (with 7 million people) Haiti with 8 million. Or Puerto Rico… But THEN he said he wants it to land either in the Bahamas and goto Florida OR he wants it to goto Cuba and then land in Miami where it would tie into the US national grid just like Canada’s pipeline does. But besides that plan Manning also suggested that he wanted to build an LNG plant off the coast of Louisiana….
That was when the US jointly found Trinidadian “Terrorists” up in Canada…
Then Manning said LNG plans in the US again…
So then the US found—- those “Trini terrorists” a couple years ago in Florida…. Juss in time for US elections…
And now Manning is moving forward on his pipeline… The Caribbean is the only region in the world that has ignored Bush’s warnings. (On the ICC, On Chavez (Backing Chavez for the UN seat), On PetroCaribe, On Iraq, and NOW the uppity Prime Minister from down de bottom of de Caribbean gon move forward and build the pipeline in we face to spread development in other countries working with Venezuela????)
The USA’s position…. That’s it….. put out a P.R. story soo damning it’ll force International business to flee. And give tourists the idea that terrorists are in the Caribbean and to stop visiting dey… And Voila… Terrorists now supposedly in Guyana and T&T…
June 5, 2007 at 10:01 am
It is sad when a Government’s credibility is so worn that we can be so cynical.
US foreign policy has been so helter-skelter that it has ruined perceptions of the US for many.
The ‘conservative media-machine’ did a job on Clinton, spend a load to destroy him.
Clinton had the world at USA’s fingertips, he had peace internationally for US, he ‘did’ one humanitarian war in Bosnia (to prevent the slaughter of Muslims by Christians), which US came out of quickly and effectively, US cosmopolitan cities loved him (check the voting demographics when he lost) , there was a budget surplus.
But, he was depicted as a terrible President by the conservative media and effectively ‘neutralised’.
Under Bush, USA has not yet found Bin Laden nor Al-Zawahiri the brains behind Al-Quaeda, Iraq is about five to ten years from some resolution to its civil war, it looks like the Afghanistan government will either have to fight the Taliban again eventually or lose control and on top of that there is a massive budget deficit, then also the thousands of American lives lost in Iraq and the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives also lost.
At least Haliburton has not suffered financially.
But USA has suffered. At the end of 911 the USA had the world’s sympathy. But recent US foreign policy has squandered the goodwill built by Clinton and of all right thinking, reasonable persons who sympathised after 911.
No one supports terrorism and indeed abhors such activities, but the folly of a roughshod attitude which ‘labels all as the few’ is a misdirected approach which as an example has resulted in thousands of US soldiers and a few hundred thousand Iraqi’s dead and has not helped the cause, not to mention ignoring the United Nations at the beginning, thus losing able support.
The few in the Caribbean are extremists, it is wrong to label persons whether Muslim, Christian, Hindu whatever.
Extremists need to be dealt with and Trinidad dealt with the Muslimeen incorrectly from the beginning. How can you ‘pardon’ people in a coup who committed murder and the ‘pardon’ was achieved from the then President while a gun was to the PM’s head?
The should all still be in jail, full stop. One cannot pander to extremists, they must be dealt with harshly.
June 5, 2007 at 10:54 am
The evidence of an extremist root in Barbados is there.
Many Bajans show racism against Muslims; and many Bajans have traditionally been racist against Americans (continue to read above), and many Bajans are racist against Guyanese, Indians, Jews; and lots of other minority groups.
Will Barbados ignore the growth of its own Islamic Extremism (also very dangerously supremacist and racist/fascist in itself)?
How long will Barbados continue to use its own racism as a blindfold to ignore these things?
June 5, 2007 at 11:13 am
North Star: I’m glad you made that valuable contribution before you exit this blog (which I hope you won’t). No need to comment on what you said because it was comprehensive and well-said. However, as you will note, there are some left-wing loonies on here who would have one believe otherwise. The latest rubbish they’re spouting is that the Kennedy Airport averted disaster was simply a plot by the FBI and Bush to target the Caribbean and to punish us (not sure for what). It is well-known that most Caribbean governments have friendly relations with Cuba, and have had for years, so why aren’t we punished for that on an on-going basis, then? Why pick now? The left-wing loonies would also have you believe that Bush had the twin towers blown up too! Pathetic, isn’t it. (I’m waiting for the lashes, cos they’ll come)
June 5, 2007 at 11:21 am
“Bystander, I’m not anti-white. However, I am, pro-black.”
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Dear Bimbro,
I never said you were anti-white. This is what I said:
“PM Bimbro, keep the Asians out if you want. I can’t vote for you on that. You got my vote for the black-business support, once you reform education and encourage capitalism, entrepreneurship, etc. But remember, just because you’re black doesn’t mean you are entitled to a handout! There are some white businessmen who started with nothing at all and through hard work and sweat, they made it. Why should black people be treated differently? Give everyone an equal footing and let the best man (or woman) win!”
You have me mixed-up with Thistle who said:
“Bimbro: It sounds as if you’re anti-white as well. That’s where we would differ.”
Search the web page for yourself and check the comments properly.
A few comments ago, Thistle was telling me that I refer to God AS The Great Pumpkin when clearly, if he had spent the time to search, he would see that I always say (unless there was a typo) God AND The Great Pumpkin (i.e., two different entities) or God OR The Great Pumpkin (here again, two different entities.)
Come on guys, learn to use the ’search’ function of your browser and get your facts straight before you starting accusing people of something they never said.
Yours,
The Bystander.
(P.S., PM Bimbro, glad to see that you have some more company i.e., North Star. More discussion, debate and opposing views, is always good.)
June 5, 2007 at 11:31 am
The Bystander: I stand corrected – TWICE. My mistake. Yes, yes, yes, God OR the Great Pumpkin/God AND …… etc. (I know you’re dying for me ask WHO is the G.P., but you know what? I couldn’t care less.) Enough already. Sheesh ….
June 5, 2007 at 11:59 am
Who or What is the Great Pumpkin??
I dont know about you Thistle but I am curious.
June 5, 2007 at 12:13 pm
The Bystander:
Is this what you refer to when you say the Great Pumpkin?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Pumpkin
June 5, 2007 at 1:01 pm
“The Bystander: I stand corrected – TWICE. My mistake. Yes, yes, yes, God OR the Great Pumpkin/God AND …… etc. (I know you’re dying for me ask WHO is the G.P., but you know what? I couldn’t care less.) Enough already. Sheesh ….”
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Dear Thistle,
Now, now. Don’t hate me because I believe in The Great Pumpkin. Just kidding.
Chase found a good link (thanks Chase, you hit the nail right on the head!)
Behold, The Great Pumpkin:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Pumpkin
Yes, I am a Charlie Brown/Snoopy fan.
Yours,
The Bystander.
June 5, 2007 at 1:37 pm
Thistle
I have observed the points you have brought to my attention and do not take them lightly and that is why I do not really want to participate in this Blog because some and who do and have every right to their opinions seem to be living in a world of their own and in denial.
With terrorist being the most hated, hunted and killed peoples in the world why may I ask that the Caribbean region should be exempt from these people plotting with extremist in that region to blow up the gas and pipelines in NY as being claimed to be the case. Why is this so hard to understand and I will give you one of many points that can be made to show why!
Terrorist are smart people and may have believed that the Caribbean would be the last place the FBI or any other Intelligence Agency would suspect AL Qaieda to go and recruit terrorists to do their evil job. Why is it always that Bush the FBI and the bad USA are behind screwing the world 24/7?
Yes Bush invaded Iraq wrongly as it turned out there were no weapons of mass destruction but having said that the threat, violent acts and presence of Terrorists have been felt all over the world and not just in the USA and this has been more than proven. They blew up buses in London, they hit Pakistan, Russia, Italy to mention but a few so they are not only targeting the USA. What some on this Blog is suggesting is nothing short of ignorance not because they are left wing. Is it the USA, Bush and the FBI blowing up all of these other targets too?
Look at what happened in Grenada a decade or so ago. Look at what happened in Barbados territorial air space with Cubana Airlines. Trinidad, Guyana etc. Political insanity is all around us including the Caribbean and so is radical extremists.
Anyway I will let you folk solve the problems of the world but this is what strikes me as odd. Why is it when any of the Nations in the Caribbean get into trouble they always call on the USA, Canada and the UK to help them. Maybe seeing as how they have become so close to their brother Castro and the Chinese Nation they are the ones they should now ask for help and financial assistance and leave us barbaric Nations alone. After all the peoples of Cuba and China love the humanitarian, Democratic ways of their leaders and countries dont they, or am I wrong?
June 5, 2007 at 2:02 pm
Hi Bystander and others, sorry for that earlier error Bystander – it was n’t an accusation so much as a reply by me to a question asked.
I’m still waiting to hear if anybody else should be banned from Bim. I believe so, but will ‘hold-fire’ on that one, for now.
North Star, I well understand your frustration with our people. I’ve encountered it before. As you said, they’d rather live in a dream-world.
I remember so well, during ‘the first’, cold war – looks like another’s just about to begin – how these commi-supporting people and countries when anything went wrong, suffered natural disaster etc. – would always run to the US or free West for aid. I can hardly, ever remember the great communist master, the USSR, offering them aid, but they could n’t wait to stab the US in the back!
I think it takes courage to be honestly, critical – courage which most people don’t have. For them, it’s far easier just to follow the pack, like sheep.
Words like stupidity and ingratitude, come to mind.
June 5, 2007 at 3:29 pm
[SNIP]How can you ‘pardon’ people in a coup who committed murder and the ‘pardon’ was achieved from the then President while a gun was to the PM’s head?
The should all still be in jail, full stop. One cannot pander to extremists, they must be dealt with harshly.
[end SNIP]
It was the British Privy Council that made that decision to pardon the members of the Al Jamaat which overthrew the Trinidad Government in the 1990 coup attack. The British Privy Council ruled in their favour even though that same Al Jamaat was holding people hostage in the parliament at the time and forced the government to sign that pardon (under duress) in order to not kill anymore members of parliament…. They also took over Trinidad’s state owned broadcasting station too some how it was good enough for the British law lords… And they let all off the hook…. Because after that coup was over, many in Trinidad wanted every last one of them to hang…. Of Trinidadians had their way as Sugar Aloes sang they would have “pop their neck”….
June 5, 2007 at 3:34 pm
That should have been [If] Trinidadians had their way as Sugar Aloes sang– they would have “popped their neck”….
June 5, 2007 at 4:00 pm
Re: North Star
June 5th, 2007 at 1:37 pm
Terrorism hapends where it does for a purpose or reason it doesn’t just happen.
Do you know the actual history of Al Qaeda? Those that do KNEW Saddam wasn’t “Funding them” as Bush said because they were enemies. Saddam would have though Al Qaeda was a threat to his regime because Al Qaeda wanted to topple him.
Al Qaeda was the United State’s answer to the Russians(Commies) trying to take over Afghanistan. The United States did not want Caspian Sea oil falling into the hands of Russia. So the CIA trained Al Qaeda out in Utah for months and after training returned them to Afghanistan with US war tactical training. (That is why the United States can’t defeat Al Qaeda.) Because Al Qaeda knows how the US thinks and the US- fighting Al Qaeda is like the US going after a low budget of itself.
Al Qaeda was suprised when they actually threw the soviets out of Afghanistan and they decided they would over throw Israel, and restore it to the Palestinians. Especially the Palestianians displaced after informal creation of Israel in the 1920’s and formal creation of it in the late 1940s. And the other doctorine Al Qaeda recruits on according to the CIA is they want to overthrow the “Corrupt” regimes in the middle east which they claim are keeping muslims poor and subservient to America which they claim is sqaundering the oil wealth of the middle east.
That’s how it was born. Once the US started to prop up Israel and the royal families in the middle east. (Especially in Saudie Arabia) they turned their attention on financially buckling the United States.
Since then Islamic extremists have come up with new ideas. Al Jamaat believed they could create the first– Islamic republic in the Americas through brute force. They saw the PNM and the UNC fighting and Squabling and the seized the moment overthrew the govenment, killed several MPs in the Red House, burned down the main police station in Port of Spain and took over the state owned TV.
I don’t believe Al Qaeda is in the Caribbean. They have however started to penetrate into Africa offering money in exchange for people to carry out their attacks. They piggy back onto the instability there where they can comfortably grow and recruit. They’re also in south east Asia. (In places like Bali) where that last big attack was because the Philippines, Indonesia, Sri Lanka.. All around dey— those are all extremist Islamic hotbeds. Those countries have been having civil war for years with Islamic extremists.
Australia recently has been a target because they want to get AU out of Iraq. Spain was a target because they wanted to get Spain out of Iraq(which they did succeed at.)
Barbados has not ruffeled Al Qaeda’s feathers and has not purposely given them a reason to strike luckally so Barbados prob. wont be a target. Also the good thing about Barbados is it so far has been largely isolated from the terrorists outside of the hemisphere.
Historically for persons to fly from the old world to the new they needed to pass through Europe. The good thing about that in this case is the EU and the USA share no fly lists. Any terrorists in Africa, Europe, Asia etc. that wanted to get to the Caribbean had to go through Europe, Canada, or the United States itself. Terrorists en-route would be taken out coming from Europe. As you may have noticed, any time a terrorist has been on the plane coming from Europe they turn that plane around, land it… And take the person off. So to get to Barbados they can’t get past that barrier. Venezuela has slightly changed that by having direct flights between Caracas and Tehran, Iran now though. There was a report somewhere that Iran wanted to have some Iranians in Venezuela that if the USA attacks Iran those Iranians would do a slow march towards the Mexico border where they would try to sneak into the USA to carry out attacks themselves so that means it is less probable that they would goto Barbados which is expensive and doesn’t have much US intrests vs. them trying to go directly for their goal….. Their goal is to undermine the US economy, not Barbados’ so there would be little incentive for them to flock to Barbados. The US regards the Caribbean as their sphere of influence and you can bet any extremists setting up in the Caribbean would get the crap bombed out of them plus they would ethnically stick out like a sore thumb…. Plus the FBI is in Barbados their attache office I think???? The terrorists would literally be putting their foot in the lions mouth to run to Barbados. I don’t think it’s a target IMHO.
June 5, 2007 at 5:14 pm
Mr. Payne you are obviously becoming a pain in the anal canal to many on this blog because of your way out crap to justify that the suspected terrorists captured in the Caribbean is a hoax or that it is a plot by the FBI.
This nonsense is unworthy of a response because it is gibberish and has no relevancy to what I have said. I have not defended Bush for invading Iraq I have merely stuck to the relevancy that terrorists can and will use any Nation to carry out attacks.
Terrorists and Terrorism can and will strike anywhere in the world as we have already seen. Therefore what makes the Caribbean immune from them using that area? If your argument was sensible why did CWC even worry about the elaborate details they put into place to protect against a terrorist attack?
The very people who blew up the Twin Towers did it right under the noses of the Americans. They were in the USA, trained in the USA and committed their act with precision and without warning.
Believe what you wish as that is your prerogative but do not insult my intelligence with BS.
Terrorist have served notice they will attack and kill anyone trying to put a stop to their cowardice. And no one is immune! These people are the true racists of the world they hate Jews, the teachings and Governments of the Free Western Democracies and even their own country and they kill their own people with impunity.
They are also controlling chauvinist pigs whose women have no rights or cannot have opinions of their own without being abused. They should all be nuked but most live and hide under rocks because they are gutless
June 5, 2007 at 6:09 pm
hOW IS IT THAT IN ALL OTHER SECTIONS OF THE PRESS IT WAS STATED THAT THE ACCUSED TERRORIST IN THE JFK PLOT WERE MUSLIMS,AND HERE U R STATING THAT THEY ARE OF ANOTHER RELIGIOUS PERSUASION WHICH IS IT?
June 5, 2007 at 6:20 pm
Advent Glory
I do not know who you are addressing your question to? In case it applies to my latest submission where did I say what “religious” persuastion did anyone belong to. I said Terrorists did I not? I doubt all terrorsists are from the same or identical religious group/s.
Whether the ones involved with JFk are Muslims or not what difference does it make? A terrorist is a terrorist with one intent!
As a matter of fact during the Iraq war I think if I am not mistaken an American was caught who claimed he converted to Islam tofight the USA.
June 5, 2007 at 7:23 pm
According to the left-wing loonies, the Caribbean suspected terrorists aren’t terrorists at all – it’s just a plot by Bush et al. Read what a relative of one of the suspects wrote about him in Caribbean 360 (www.caribbean360.com ) today.
June 5, 2007 at 8:23 pm
North Star: “They were in the USA, trained in the USA and committed their act with precision and without warning.
Believe what you wish as that is your prerogative but do not insult my intelligence with BS.”
Me:
Simple timeline on Al Qaeda history.
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban-time.html
You can also refer to the National Geographic films on 9/11 where they’ve outlined the U.S.-CIA’s training of the Taliban before 9/11. As have countless other sources likewise documented. The United States Government even acknowledges their past training of the Taliban and how they turned on America.
Actually very many of them were from outside the country and flew in just before 9/11. Mohammad Attah the soo called “master mind” passed through the state of Maine just that morning to Boston, were he hooked up with the rest and boarded the plane. His flight to Maine was from Canada where he had just got off a Trans-Atlantic flight from Europe.
( http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/inside911/index.html )
P.S. have you started building your anti-terrorism bunker yet if you dont mind me axe’n? U seem to believe the hype? Remember not to stand up in any bare canefield the terrorists might spot you..
Have you noticed? France did not side with the USA and they have MILLIONS of muslims yet no attacks. Germany likewise? Terrorists have targets and they go after those targets. The very second Denmark sides with the USA their embassy gets rocked in response. Yeah- man that was a pure coincidence right?
I just say it is weird that 2 times before the USA has led a big hoopla of running up and down looking for soo called “Trini terrorists” and both times so far they had to let them go for lack of evidence.
You doan remember the bunch they catch about the Sears Tower plot too??? and the FBI’s crack down on a next set in Toronto?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-06-03-toronto-terror-suspects_x.htm
I don’t support any terrorists! All I say is the United States created the beast now they can’t control it. If it was Barbados that created it and if Barbados was a target I would have said shame on Barbados for creating it. It have nuffin to do with any anti americanism.
North Star: Therefore what makes the Caribbean immune from them using that area? If your argument was sensible why did CWC even worry about the elaborate details they put into place to protect against a terrorist attack?
Me: What are they going to attack? What will they accomplish??? The USA made up all this gibbrish about
North Star: Terrorists and Terrorism can and will strike anywhere in the world as we have already seen.
Me: Like where???? Name a place they targeted that was not political target or an already established base of instability.
North Star:The very people who blew up the Twin Towers did it right under the noses of the Americans. They were in the USA, trained in the USA and committed their act with precision and without warning.
Me: On a building that symbolises U.S. money, influence and power. They hit that… They hit the pentagon and they were aiming for the White House so the story goes. All targets that represent something. They weren’t planning to hit some random building or else they probably would have hit somewhere right here in Boston… They took off from here….
June 5, 2007 at 8:28 pm
North Star:
For someone who said he was finished with this blog ,dont you think you are being harsh on one who speaks his mind?
You let the words of others stop you from expressing your right to free speech….does not say much for you.
I have been chastised on this blog before but only the moderators can stop me from blogging.Maybe you are too thin skinned on certain issues.
Your contribution to this blog helps to create balance, so why would you let your frustrations of other peoples’ views stop you from making yours..isnt this the reason for these blogs?
I happen to agree with some of what J.Payne has to say…..but I also agree with some of what you have to say,therefore as far as I am concerned ,now it up to me to sort out yours,his and mine ,in order to come to some understanding as to the real truth.
Come now…….behave like men and keep blogging….how am I to be educated …you sure as hell dont learn this in school.
June 5, 2007 at 8:43 pm
Chase I agree with you it has been the long goodbye that has now ended. How is that?
June 5, 2007 at 8:55 pm
That is not good but do what make you feel happy.
All the best.
June 5, 2007 at 11:28 pm
I am pleased North Star has left, this time for good, no more Frank Sinatra’s.
I love BFP for setting ideas free, and North Star was politically correctly stifling.
J Payne, I, a free thinker, have sympathy with most of your views,
most of which, I suspect, are unacceptable to BFP moderators, bigotted as they are to their specific agenda.
That is their right on their own blog, and notwithstanding their foibles, we would be poorer without this BFP safety valve.
June 5, 2007 at 11:31 pm
The above post is not Anonymous, it is Straight talking.
June 6, 2007 at 1:25 am
Were the exploded Africans deserving of terrorism?
Were the Balinese guilty of a crime?
Were the London tube riders legitimate targets?
Were the Madrid bombings righteous?
Selective and convenient memory, and justifiable to some writers?
Were the grasshoppers who flew out the windows of the World Trade Centre escaping heat, to their deaths below, deserving of that punishment? The fire fighters? The general and restaurant workers? The rest? Just who was killed who deserved it? Were the people in World Trade Centre all Americans? Did these people resemble a legitimate target to someone?
Were the 24 people killed in the Jamaat coup in Trinidad guilty of a crime, and deserving of death?
Was the son who was “shot down in the street and died” in Jamaica the true wages of his own sin, or someone else’s?
For those who hate, for those who seek justification for non-pursuance of peace, for those who believe themselves better than others, in Barbados and anywhere around the world, keep laughing when your most hated group suffers….. until it happens to someone close to you and your family.
There are those of us who have spent their lives hoping, waiting and even praying………..for peace.
It is a duty today to remind you and to warn you of the dangers to our local communities so that the reasonable among us may prevent YOUR (yes YOUR) respective violences from penetrating our society.
What can you say and do to stop this? Sometimes it appears there are more insane ones among us than sane.
And that is another reason why this little silly blog is relevant.
For years I read the garbage printed above in the Nation, Advocate, and heard it from those younger than myself, and from the elders, many so-called respected ones of our society. And heard it from my racist teachers. And in some of the churches. As the Lord is my witness I even heard it from my own mouth.
Until I realised that it wasn’t me, it was you.
Some of you think you know a lot? There are many here among us who are entirely capable of no balanced, logical thought whatsoever!
June 6, 2007 at 2:26 am
What of those innocents on the Air Cuba flight? Where are the alleged terrorists being harbored? The USA is under pressure to extradite a man or men wanted for the bombing of a passenger plane and so they turn the pressure around to us extraditing men that talked about bombing.
Instead of bending over backwards to disown extremism and kissing the back side of Bush, our leaders should agree to extradite these suspects so long as the US extradites the Cubana airline bomber suspect, or is government sponsored murder of civilians not considered terrorism?
Peace
June 6, 2007 at 4:14 am
It is really amazing when anyone says anything about the USA how you are branded.
If only they would stop being so hypocritical for once and let the truth be known.
Our Caribbean leaders are to hand over these so called terrorists,yet still Luis Podosa walks around a free man in the USA.How many innocent people,including Guyanese did he kill?
Why not a swap?Is it legal to extradite a man who has already been deported.
Are we going to take everything the US say as the gospel?
Some people are ready to ridicule you as soon as you have to question anything ,then accuse you of being left-wing (another american term).
There are always 2 side of the coin…it is in us to look at both,some may not like it as it messes up their agendas, but most of us will.
June 6, 2007 at 4:17 am
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB153/index.htm
June 6, 2007 at 6:50 am
Exactly. Creating terrorists in any fashion does nothing but pushes global extermism to new heights until it becomes out of control.
But look at this now….
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Article: US Diplomat : Trinidad no terrorism hotbed
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:26:00
Link: http://www.cananews.net/news/131/ARTICLE/11528/2007-06-05.html
“PORT OF SPAIN, Trinidad, CMC – The United States Monday denied international media reports that oil rich Trinidad and Tobago is a “hotbed for terrorism” following the arrest of three Caribbean born nationals on charges linked to a plot to bomb the JFK International airport in New York over the weekend.”
[ . . . ]
The statement said that the US diplomat “gave the assurance following concerns expressed to the Prime Minister that the current climate surrounding the issue of international terrorism leaves the door open for much mis-representation about Trinidad and Tobago.
“Ambassador Austin attributed any negative representation of Trinidad and Tobago in this matter to ‘false conclusions being drawn based on a paucity of information’ and also a lack of understanding of the complexity of the issue on the part of the international media”.
[ . . . ]
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For as-much of a “MAJOR threat” as the JFK “plot” was? the US is now awfuly quick to assure Trinidad’s Prime Minister that their country is not a terrorist hotbed????
Did they just need to incite some panic on the fly yet again? Because this would be the third time Trinis were targeted and nothing found. I’m going to let the investigation continue and wait for the results because afterall maybe the 3rd time they’ll find something. *smirk*
I just find it odd how the USA could make the assertion only one— week afterwards that Trinidad isn’t a hotbed for terrorists… As they sometimes say… That’s not what you were claiming a week ago.
June 6, 2007 at 7:48 am
North Star, my dear fellow, don’t let that fu**er J. Payne stop you from posting. I’ve been reading some of his contributions and frankly, they sound like so much BS to me that I can’t be bothered to read them all. As I’ve said before on here, “it’s easy to criticise, far more courageous to stand up for justice and decency”. I fully, agree with everything that you’ve said. Let the muslims and terrorists f***-off and I FULLY, AGREE WITH THE US invading Iraq. The dissenters here, would too, if they’d been one of the many victims of the evil, dictator.
Don’t listen to the shi*s, North Star. You’ve got a right to express your opinion and you stay and do so, if you’d like to. I frankly, enjoy reading your posts because I can see that there’s a man with intelligence, experience, guts and honesty.
Frankly, you get these ‘internet-bullies’ on every forum which is n’t monitored and controlled, really carefully. They’re like bullies in life, normally. They can’t seem to help it and should be dealt with. I’ve no time at all for bullies and admire your courage in standing up to him/them. For the monitors of this forum to allow them to succeed is only to the detriment of the forum and annuls the purpose of the blog which is to facilitate, FREE SPEECH.
Chase, I know that you mean well in advising the two to ‘behave like men’ but ‘behaving like men’ has nothing to do with it. Do you mean that is normal and manly, for a man to be rude and bullying. Well, it may be for you and the men to whom you’re accustomed but I don’t see why it should be. If you ask me, some enlightening of your attitude is required there.
Chase, if North Star has gone and I hope that he has n’t, in fact I’M HERE AND NOW INVITING HIM TO RETURN, whether he always agree with me or not, I’M SURE THAT HE WON’T HAVE BEEN ‘HAPPY’ TO GO, as you intimated. Bullies should not be encouraged and in fact, I wish that the contollers of this blog WOULD BAN THEM. NOT BANNING THEM DOES NOT HELP THE FREE FLOW OF DISCUSSION AND INFORMATION, THE REASON FOR WHICH THIS BLOG WAS SET UP!
June 6, 2007 at 9:01 am
Hello Maat and good morning
Are you possibly Muslim and Bajan? How come not one single Bajan Muslim will address the forum and say what the Muslim community is doing against Salafi Manhaj types? Do you know who this character actually is? Are we acting locally, or are we acting globally and ignoring the local?
Hello all, and good morning. Are local Americans extremist candidates?
Why didn’t Barbados hand over Ron Biggs for extradition? Does this make Barbados a legitimate terrorist target for those who did not get his extradition?
Does the non-extradition of a possible (probable?) Cuban terrorist make Americans a legitimate terrorist target for wicked people that some of us admire?
June 6, 2007 at 12:19 pm
Bimbro:
I really dont get your point.Right at this moment it is you who sounds like the bully.It is you who is cussing ,ranting and raving (probably frothing at the mouth).
I said ,after asking North Star to return,that if it is his wish…then do what makes him happy as we all do as men.Going was his choice.Why should others be banned because you dont agree with them?
The free flow of discussion as you described would be impossible if only one view is allowed,if we all agreed on the same issues ,what would be the point of discussion?
At some point all of us are rude on this blog but who gives anyone the right to think that they are better than others,
Tell me which part of my attitude needs enlightening and I will surely oblige…..but remember..I too will ask of you…can you deal with that?
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I FULLY, AGREE WITH THE US invading Iraq. The dissenters here, would too, if they’d been one of the many victims of the evil, dictator.
My question to you on this is simply,with the invasion and execution of the said dictator,has things improved in Iraq after 4 years?
Go check for yourself and see that even the ones who were under the dictator’s rule are still suffering.
June 6, 2007 at 12:32 pm
Do not let us all get too worked up about these charges as we have seen the almighty USA can be a lot of huff and no puff most of the time but will bend the facts to get a charge going.
Luis Podosa really should be in jail somewhere after his crime but instead because he was a CIA operative he is shielded by the USA from court action what do we have here DOUBLE STANDARDS.
June 6, 2007 at 12:34 pm
Educationanlists:
The decision by Barbados not to hand over Ronald Biggs to Britain was made by The supreme Court after the hearings concluded.
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/barbados/index.html?offset=60&
The fact that he was kidnapped from Brazil under a ‘citizens’ arrest for money most likely played into his favour.
Also ,to compare a man who played a minor role in a robbery to one who plotted and carried out (with the full knowledge of the US agencies) such an act of terror is like comparing chalk to cheese.
June 6, 2007 at 12:54 pm
If the trial has been conducted in absentia and he has been convicted “I” as only one have no problem concurring, as terrorism is not to be admired. “I” as only one will not, however, use the above to make the conclusions about the entire US government and system of democracy one way or another. One may wait and see, observe the voting pattern will be in the wake of a war that was pre-emptive rather than in response,m just as one may see what wwill happen here in this county’s upcoming voting pattern.
If one sees a double standard one may be correct in part. Does this implied double standard hold true to a blanket statement covering all innocent Americans, all Democrats, all Republicans? Why is there such and anti-American feducation here in Bim? Could it be the media, the Gladstone Holder wannabees, and our traditional-biased media educating us oin America, as they themselves have been taught by teacher? No way, ha!
Nor can a decent human being use any of the above writings as justification for terrorist acts against innocent Americans, or others, whether in America, or in other parts of the world.
That would be hypocritical of us?
Let us please take some time and efffort look to prevent terrorism and its precursors in Barbados.
This whole point, as interesting as it is, distracts us from our local duty of focus, which is finding and suppressing the Salafi Mahaj type of influences within Barbados.
June 6, 2007 at 1:57 pm
“This whole point, as interesting as it is, distracts us from our local duty of focus, which is finding and suppressing the Salafi Mahaj type of influences within Barbados”
Firstly, Islam totally condemns the killing of innocent civilians.
Secondly, I do not know many Muslims in Barbados who call them self ‘Salafis’, but I do know other Muslims in the Caribbean who refer to themselves as ‘Salafis’, and I know that they are opposed to ‘terrorism’, suicide bombings, and 9/11. This opinion is also reflected in the writings of their major scholars.
So just because a Muslim calls himself a ‘Salafi’ does not automatically mean he has ‘terrorist’ idealogies.
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BFP Asks…
BM, you say…
“Firstly, Islam totally condemns the killing of innocent civilians.”
What is the difference between an “innocent” civilian and a “not innocent” civilian who (presumably) can be killed without condemnation?
Don’t you understand that we (non Muslims) are fed up with Muslims “denouncing” violence while using weasel words – leaving holes and outs and qualifications?
Let me hear you say without qualification that the Muslims who murdered all those folks on 9/11 are burning in hell and are not with their virgins in Heaven. Say it… or don’t say it. But whatever you say, please don’t use weasel words.
June 6, 2007 at 2:15 pm
I would find it very hard to believe that anyone on this blog ,especially Bajans ,promotes or agrees with terrorism in any form.
We however, are now fully aware of the double standards and unfair practices of the USA and their foriegn policies.
With this in mind ,any right thinking person would obviously question their actions now before jumping on the terror bandwagon ,as many have done before.
To question them is taken as being against them(as said in that speech by the President……”you are either with us or against us”).
Just because all of us don’t follow blindly like sheep does not mean we are for terrorism,some of us are just practicing free thinking.
I take offense for the characterization”Gladstone Holder wanna bees”.
The man has passed but it was people like him who opened the eyes of young people like me to the double standards of US foreign policy.It was him,in his column who thought guys like me to think and seek the truth ,rather than follow blindly.
On second thought…..no offense taken…..my apologies…….please….. call me a Gladstone Holder wanna bee.:-)
June 6, 2007 at 3:44 pm
Unfortunately, if BFP past writings are correct re the location of origination, “Salafi Manhaj” is a Bajan. So regardless of what we ‘believe’, the truth is ever so slightly different.
We would like BM to say who are these people, and what is being done?
Come again?
June 6, 2007 at 4:36 pm
Chase, if there’s anything about my writing which is n’t clear to you then I can only suggest that you read it again. I can’t be bothered to explain what should be as obvious as ABC. I know when you’re talking to a person who is n’t going to be persuaded, whatever I say. As North Star said, “prefers to live in a dreamworld”.
It would, obviously, have been much better if they could simply, have assassinated Sadam but they either could n’t or would n’t. I guess it’s not the politically, correct thing to do these days, consequently, many innocent people had to suffer for years in Iraq and now the Americans are suffering too, with the loss of their good sons, in that god-forsaken country.
Iraq is going to break-up, was always going to, once Sadam left, either under the Americans or whomever, just as Yugoslavia did. Indeed, it’s already started to do so. The fact that it’s happening under American patronage, is neither here nor there. It was bound to happen, anyway.
Finally, yuh got a muslim pun hay, talking foolishness?????? OMG!!!!!!!!
P.S. Yes, I’m always incensed by bullies and will continue to be, thank god.
June 6, 2007 at 5:40 pm
bimbro
this is exactly what i was talking about. the injustice n double standards of usa.
If saddam was such abad man why didnt they invade earlier or took him out earlier.but then u know what ,he was their toy in the 80’s vs. iran so he was the hero while iran the villian.why take out only saddam ,why not egypt ,syria,s.arabia etc bcos they also suppress their population.
thank god u r incensed with the u.s as they r biggest bullies around.
June 6, 2007 at 6:15 pm
dear BFP or amp [anti muslim press],
let me try to to attempt to answer your questions.
most muslims r caught in a catch-22 situation. bcos even though they r taught to respect life n so on,on one hand they see their fellow brethen killed w/out justification and nothing is done abuot it by the powers that be,and on the other hand when they see the same powers suffering similar loses they will probrably say “see ,thats how we feel”. the thinking is “others dont care a s**t about us so why should we be feeling for them”.
the alqaida/bin laden type has declared war on usa.therefore when alqaida or whoever attacks, the casualties will be considered in u.s terms as”collateral damage.”
bcos americans r killed it is so hurtfull,but when muslims r killed all over by american bombs/foreign policy by way of turning a blind eye not a tear is shed.
With regards to your last statement only God can judge who goes to heaven or hell,not us.
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Comment by BFP
Perhaps you can explain how Bush & Company are responsible for the 3000 teachers and children murdered by Islamists in Thailand in the past 4 years? Start with the teacher who was gunned down on August 23, 2006 while walking to his classroom in Narathiwat. Then please explain on August 21, 2006 the three Buddhist fruit pickers who were gunned down in their orchard in Yala by Islamists. Then explain the man who was murdered for selling pork on August 14, 2006 in Yala by Islamists. After that please explain the murder in Narathiwat on August 16, 2006 where Islamists shot a Buddhist shopkeeper to death to draw a crowd – then detonated a bomb and killed 3 more civilians and a police officer.
After that, please explain how on August 3, 2006, 11 Islamists murdered a mechanic and then shot his 5 year old daughter for good measure. When you finish that, consider on July 24, 2006 the Buddhist teacher who was shot down for being a Buddhist – in front of his class of 10-year olds. Now let’s move to June 28, 2006 when 5 Islamists in Narathiwat stormed into a Karaoke bar that wouldn’t stop selling alcohol. The owner was shot dead and 5 patrons were shot in the knees.
OH HELL…. Let’s give you the list for ONLY A FOUR MONTH PERIOD an you take each one of these brutal murders and tell me how the USA is responsible for each one.
Moron.
Date Country City Killed Injured Description
9/22/06 Iraq Baghdad 13 0 Three women are among thirteen people tortured and executed by Muslim terrorists. At least one was beheaded.
9/22/06 Pakistan North Waziristan 1 0 A man is kidnapped and executed by the local Taliban.
9/22/06 Afghanistan Kandahar 19 0 Nineteen innocent laborers are massacred by religious extremists who bomb their bus then shoot the survivors.
9/22/06 Pakistan Sargodha 1 0 An 85-year-old Shia cleric is gunned down by radical Sunnis.
9/22/06 Afghanistan Jalalabad 1 0 The Taliban kill a Pakistani truck driver during an attack on oil tankers.
9/21/06 India Damhal Hanjipora 1 0 A man is murdered in his home by the Mujahideen.
9/21/06 Iraq Karbala 3 0 Three civilians are shot to death by Islamic terrorists.
9/21/06 Iraq Baghdad 38 0 Thirty-eight victims of sectarian hatred within the Religion of Peace are found tortured and executed around the city.
9/21/06 India Tangmarg 1 4 A 13-year-old boy is killed when Muslim terrorists throw a grenade into the street.
9/21/06 Pakistan Haripur 8 3 A schoolchild is among eight killed when gunmen open up on a family van.
9/21/06 Chechnya Grozny 5 0 Five Russians are brutally slaughtered by Muslim gunmen at point-blank range as they are sitting in a vehicle.
9/21/06 Iraq Baghdad 28 22 Six Jihad attacks leave two-dozen Iraqis dead and several more with burns and bullet wounds.
9/20/06 Afghanistan Wardak 1 2 Religious extremists attack three policemen, killing one and severing the leg of another.
9/20/06 India Doda 1 0 A 36-year-old woman is killed in her home by the Mujahideen.
9/20/06 Iraq Samarra 1 26 A Fedayeen suicide bomber runs his car into a house, killing a young boy and injuring twenty-six others.
9/20/06 India Gul Zada 3 2 Local Islamists riddle a car full of bullets at a traffic stop, killing three occupants.
9/20/06 Iraq Baghdad 43 15 Forty-two people are killed in a suicide bombing and various acts of sectarian violence around the city.
9/19/06 Afghanistan Helmand 1 0 The Taliban execute a Turkish engineer taken prisoner three weeks earlier.
9/19/06 Pakistan Bajaur 0 5 Five women are injured when Taliban terrorists bomb their car as punishment for working at a humanitarian agency.
9/19/06 Iraq Baghdad 12 44 Muslim radicals bomb a gas station, killing two civilians. They also mortar a residential neighborhood killing an additional ten.
9/19/06 Iraq Mahmudiya 13 7 Thirteen people are murdered by Islamic radicals in at least two separate attacks.
9/19/06 Iraq Baqubah 11 0 Islamic gunmen kill at least eleven people across the city in a spasm of religious violence.
9/19/06 Kosovo Klina 0 4 Four elderly Serbs are injured when Muslims throw a bomb through their apartment window.
9/19/06 Iraq Sherqat 18 11 Jihadis exterminate eighteen Iraqis with a car bomb followed by a suicide blast.
9/18/06 Iraq Baghdad 27 13 Twenty-seven people are murdered by Jihadis in various attacks around the country.
9/18/06 Pakistan Laddha 1 0 A tribesman is lynched by the local Taliban.
9/18/06 Iraq Mosul 4 0 Islamic radicals kidnap and torture four women to death.
9/18/06 Iraq Baquba 4 5 Sunnis gun down four members of a Shia family.
9/18/06 Iraq Tal Afar 21 27 Muslim radicals bomb a marketplace, massacring twenty-one innocent shoppers.
9/18/06 Iraq Ramadi 13 10 A suicide bomber blows himself to Allah, taking more than a dozen unwilling souls with him.
9/18/06 Afghanistan Heart 12 17 A dozen innocents are blown apart by a Fedayeen suicide bomber on a motorbike.
9/18/06 Afghanistan Kabul 4 11 At least four people are killed in a suicide car bombing.
9/18/06 Somalia Baidoa 5 18 At least five people are killed in a car bomb attack on the Somali president.
9/18/06 Afghanistan Kafir Band 4 39 Four Canadian soliders, and an unknown number of civilians are killed when a suicide bomber on a bicycle targets a patrol handing out candy to children.
9/17/06 Iraq Baghdad 24 0 Twenty-four more tortured and executed victims of sectarian hatred within the Religion of Peace are found.
9/17/06 Somalia Mogadishu 2 0 A 70-year-old nun working at a childrens’ hospital is shot to death by radical Muslims, along with a guard.
9/17/06 Iraq Kirkuk 21 63 Two suicide bomb attacks by ‘Holy Warriors’ take the lives of at least twenty-one innocents.
9/17/06 Iraq Baqubah 2 3 Jihadis attack an electrical plant, killing two guards.
9/17/06 Afghanistan Helmand 2 0 Two policemen are murdered by Taliban extremists in a roadside attack.
9/17/06 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 11 A suicide bomber kills an innocent civilian in a blast along a city street.
9/16/06 Iraq Baghdad 47 0 Forty-seven more tortured and executed victims of sectarian hatred within the Religion of Peace are found.
9/16/06 Iraq Ramadi 4 8 Jihadis send four civilians to Allah with a roadside incendiary bomb.
9/16/06 Afghanistan Kabul 3 1 Three humanitarian workers are blown apart by the Taliban.
9/16/06 Iraq Baghdad 1 0 Muslims stab a Christian to death in a marketplace in retaliation for the pope’s remarks.
9/16/06 Thailand Hat Yai 5 79 At least five patrons of a shopping district are killed when Muslim militants set off six separate bombs.
9/16/06 Iraq Samarra 4 0 An al-Qaeda ambush leaves four tribesman dead.
9/16/06 Iraq Baghdad 3 22 Two bombs, including one strapped to a corpse, kill three people.
9/15/06 Yemen Haradmut 1 0 One of two suicide attacks on oil facilities in Yemen nets the death of a guard.
9/15/06 Iraq Mussayab 1 0 Islamic radicals kidnap a man, cut off his legs and head, then dump his body in the river.
9/15/06 Iraq Baghdad 22 0 The bodies of two-dozen more victims of sectarian hatred are found across the city.
9/15/06 Thailand Narathiwat 2 1 Two civilians are brutally shot to death by Islamic militants while traveling on a road.
9/15/06 India Surankote 1 5 A young boy is killed when Hizb-ul-Mujahideen terrorists lob a grenade into his family’s home.
9/15/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A man is killed in his home by militant Muslims.
9/15/06 India Watergam 1 7 al-Mansoorian terrorists attack an Indian security patrol, killing one member.
9/15/06 Iraq Baghdad 1 0 A Christian is killed when radical Muslims attack a Catholic church.
9/14/06 Afghanistan Bakwa 2 2 Religious extremists attack a police station, killing two officers.
9/14/06 Iraq Baghdad 2 25 A religious extremist targets a U.S. patrol in a suicide attack, killing two soldiers.
9/14/06 Sudan Otash 4 9 Arab militia attacks a group of refugees, killing at least four.
9/14/06 Iraq Baghdad 32 0 The tortured bodies of thirty-two victims of sectarian hatred are found.
9/14/06 India Hathiwara 1 0 A photographer is kidnapped and beheaded by the Religion of Peace.
9/14/06 Iraq Baghdad 10 39 Islamic terrorists set off two bombs, one at a photography shop and the other in a city street, killing ten innocents.
9/13/06 Iraq Baghdad 69 0 Sixty-nine victims of sectarian violence are found bound, tortured and murdered over a 24-hour period.
9/13/06 Iraq Baghdad 14 57 Jihadis kill fourteen people on a city street with a car bomb packed with shrapnel.
9/13/06 Afghanistan Farah 1 0 A UN humanitarian worker is murdered by Muslim militants on a road.
9/12/06 Syria Damascus 1 14 Terrorists shouting ‘Allah Akbar’ detonate a car bomb and attempt to storm the U.S. embassy. A Syrian guard is killed.
9/12/06 India Thandi Dhok 2 0 A husband and wife are murdered in their home by the Mujahideen.
9/12/06 Iraq Bani Saad 7 3 Seven Shia worshippers are murdered in their own mosque by Sunni bombers.
9/12/06 Iraq Baghdad 6 15 Six civilians are shredded by a Jihadi car bomb in a commercial district.
9/12/06 Turkey Amed 10 13 An ultra-nationalist group with Islamist ties bombs a bus stop, killing ten Kurds, including seven children.
9/11/06 Iraq Baghdad 16 7 Sixteen people are blown to bits by a suicidal Sunni on a bus.
9/11/06 Iraq Baghdad 4 3 Four civilians are killed in a Jihadi shrapnel bombing.
9/11/06 Afghanistan Khost 6 36 A 12-year-old boy is among six people murdered by a suicide bomber at a funeral for a previous victim of a suicide bombing.
9/11/06 Thailand Yala 1 4 A Buddhist woman is gunned down by militant Muslims in her grocery store.
9/11/06 India Kulgam 1 0 A security official succumbs to injuries from a terrorist ambush.
9/10/06 Afghanistan Gardez 3 3 A suicide bomber kills a regional official and two others.
9/10/06 Pakistan Wana 1 0 A tribal leader is gunned down by Islamists as he is walking home.
9/10/06 Iraq Mosul 1 0 A barber is murdered by religious fundamentalists.
9/10/06 Iraq Baghdad 6 29 Two car bombs set by Islamic militants kill at least six people.
9/10/06 Iraq Tuz Khurmato 4 1 Jihadi gunmen murder four oil workers.
9/9/06 Pakistan Miramshah 1 0 The local Taliban pump a 70-year-old man full of bullets and leave him with a note attached to his body.
9/9/06 Iraq Baghdad 21 51 Jihadis murder twenty-one innocents in a series of bombing and shooting attacks across the city.
9/9/06 Iraq Mosul 1 1 A 10-year-old boy is killed and his mother injured inside their home by Muslim terrorists.
9/9/06 Iraq Baiji 3 3 Three civilians are killed in separate bombings.
9/9/06 India Doda 1 1 The Mujahideen gun down a man and seriously injure his wife.
9/9/06 Pakistan Garjakh 2 0 A man murders his nephew and nephew’s girlfriend for an ‘illicit relationship.’
9/9/06 India Sonwar 1 1 A taxi driver is killed, and a young girl severely injured in a Mujahideen attack.
9/9/06 Indonesia Poso 1 0 A young Christian woman is killed when Islamic radicals throw a bomb at her house.
9/9/06 India Ahlan 1 0 A civilian is killed by Islamic militants.
9/9/06 India Doda 2 0 The Mujahideen raid a police station, killing two officers and stealing weapons.
9/9/06 India Bandipore 1 1 Islamic terrorists open fire on a fruit vendor.
9/8/06 Iraq Baghdad 7 0 Seven victims of sectarian violence are found bound, tortured and executed.
9/8/06 India Malegaon 31 297 Pakistani-backed militants are thought to be responsible for multiple bomb blasts that leave thirty-one dead and three-hundred injured.
9/8/06 Iraq Baghdad 3 6 A woman and child are among three people killed by an incendiary bomb planted by Islamic terrorists.
9/8/06 India Doda 1 0 A man is kidnapped by the Mujahideen. He dies two days later from injuries suffered.
9/8/06 Afghanistan Kabul 18 30 The lives of eighteen people are snuffed out by a Fedayeen suicide bomber in a downtown blast.
9/8/06 Pakistan Barkhan 5 21 Five people are killed in the bombing of a bus station.
9/7/06 Iraq Baghdad 36 64 Islamic terrorists mow down nearly forty people in various attacks around the country.
9/7/06 Iraq Suwayra 3 0 A woman is among three people tortured and beheaded by Islamic radicals.
9/7/06 India Budbug 1 0 The Mujahideen invade a home and kill a resident.
9/7/06 India Srinagar 1 0 A high school student succumbs to injuries suffered from a terror attack the week before.
9/7/06 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 A young college student is murdered after converting from Islam to Christianity.
9/7/06 Afghanistan Kabul 3 11 Three British soldiers die in a single day from attacks by religious extremists.
9/6/06 Afghanistan Yaqubi 2 1 A sucide bomber kills a teacher and one other person.
9/6/06 Iraq Baghdad 27 38 A horrible car bombing kills eight Iraqis and injures dozens more. The bodies of nineteen victims of sectarian violence are found elsewhere.
9/6/06 Pakistan Kaga 1 0 A 12-year-old girl is killed in her home by al-Qaeda backed militants.
9/6/06 Indonesia Tangkuran 1 0 A Christian is killed in a bombing attack by militant Muslims.
9/5/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Muslims gun down a man sitting in a tea shop.
9/5/06 Lebanon Rmeileh 4 4 Four members of a detail investigating a Christian’s death are themselves killed in a bombing by Muslim radicals.
9/5/06 Iraq Baghdad 4 3 Four Shia pilgrims are gunned down in two attacks by Sunni extremists (the other in Latifiya).
9/5/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Muslim militants set fire to a house, killing a 61-year-old man.
9/5/06 Thailand Yala 1 2 An older woman is killed in her home by Islamists.
9/5/06 India Sopore 1 0 The Hizb-ul-Mujahideen murder a student returning home from classes.
9/5/06 Pakistan Phuldayun 1 0 A Muslim man guns down his wife, a young mother, in an ‘honor’ killing.
9/5/06 Sudan Khartoum 1 0 A newspaper editor is kidnapped and beheaded by Islamic hard-liners after publishing an article questioning Muhammad’s parentage.
9/5/06 Iraq Baghdad 18 6 Eighteen innocents are murdered in at least four separate terror attacks around the country.
9/4/06 Iraq Basra 2 2 Islamic terrorists attack a British patrol, killing two members.
9/4/06 Afghanistan Parwan 3 1 Religious extremists attack a police vehicle, killing three occupants.
9/4/06 Jordan Amman 1 5 A terrorist yells, ‘Allah Akbar’ while gunning down a British tourist and injuring five others.
9/4/06 Afghanistan Kabul 6 7 Six civilians are killed by a Fedayeen suicide bomber. The casualties included children.
9/4/06 Philippines Jolo 5 20 Abu Sayyaf militants kill five troops trying to apprehend two Bali bombers.
9/4/06 India Kashmir 7 11 Seven Indian troops are killed in three separate attacks by Islamic militants.
9/4/06 Iraq Baghdad 33 0 Thirty-three victims are found tortured and executed by sectarian rivals.
9/4/06 India Tangmarg 2 0 An off-duty soldier and his kid brother are brutally murdered by Islamic extremists.
9/3/06 Turkey Istanbul 1 0 An Imam is stabbed to death by a religious fanatic.
9/3/06 Iraq Khalis 4 19 Muslim terrorists bomb a market, killing at least four patrons.
9/3/06 Iraq Baghdad 6 15 Jihadis mortar a residential neighborhood, killing six people, including two children.
9/2/06 Afghanistan Helmand 3 1 The Taliban muder three police at a checkpoint.
9/2/06 Iraq Karbala 17 0 Fourteen South Asian pilgrims are massacred by Sunni terrorists, along with three other locals.
9/2/06 Iraq Baghdad 9 36 A series of bombings and sectarian shootings leave at least nine civilians dead.
9/2/06 India Gani Hamam 1 0 A vegetable vendor is murdered by the Mujahideen.
9/2/06 Algeria Adekar 4 5 Islamic fundamentalists ambush a security patrol and kill four members.
9/2/06 Algeria Ouled Hamza 2 0 Two community guards are murdered by Islamic fundamentalists.
9/2/06 Afghanistan Nimroz 4 10 The Taliban kill four Afghan police officers and abduct ten others.
9/1/06 Iraq Mahmudiya 1 3 A child is killed inside a home that Jihadis try to level with a rocket.
9/1/06 India Pulwama 1 2 A man is murdered by the Mujahideen in an attack that also injures two family members.
9/1/06 India Darwashbagh 1 0 Islamic militants abduct and murder a civilian.
8/31/06 India Dangiwacha 1 0 Islamic terrorists invade a home and kill the daughter of a policeman.
8/31/06 Iraq Jbela 1 8 A wedding party is the target of a terrorist bombing.
8/31/06 Iraq Baghdad 4 11 Jihadis target a police patrol, killing four officers.
8/31/06 Thailand Yala 1 27 Islamists set off two dozen bombs in garbage cans, killing at least one person.
8/31/06 India Saroti 2 0 Islamic terrorists brutally murder two police officers.
8/31/06 Iraq Baghdad 63 282 Sunni radicals send rockets into a Shia neighborhood, slaughtering over sixty people, including twenty-four women and nineteen young children.
8/31/06 India Dawoocha 1 0 The Mujahideen murder a woman in her home.
8/30/06 Pakistan Wana 1 0 A 14-year-old boy is abducted and murdered by the Mujahideen.
8/30/06 Iraq Kirkuk 4 10 A suicidal Sunni on a bus kills four other humans.
8/30/06 Pakistan North Waziristan 2 0 Two men are beheaded in separate attacks by the local Taliban.
8/30/06 Iraq Baghdad 24 35 Sunnis bomb a crowded market, slaughtering two dozen and leaving many more in physical agony.
8/30/06 India Devar Lolab 1 1 Islamic terrorists kill a policeman and injure a civilian.
8/30/06 Iraq Diwaniya 13 0 Thirteen Iraqi soldiers are captured and brutally executed by Islamic militants.
8/30/06 Iraq Numaniya 3 0 Three Shia brothers are shot to death by radical Sunnis.
8/30/06 Iraq Buhriz 5 2 A child and three women are among five members of a family murdered in the car by militant Muslims.
8/30/06 Iraq Hilla 14 38 Fourteen people outside a recruiting center are blown to bits by Islamic terrorists.
8/29/06 India Budgam 1 0 Terrorists slit the throat of a 17-year-old boy.
8/29/06 Ingushetia Nazran 1 0 A police officer is gunned down by Muslim militants.
8/29/06 Iraq Baiji 1 1 Religious fundamentalists gun down a bakery worker.
8/29/06 Iraq Baghdad 20 14 Twenty civilians are kidnapped and killed in at least two separate attacks.
8/29/06 Iraq Baqubah 21 5 Twenty-one victims of sectarian violence are found in and around the city.
8/29/06 Afghanistan Kandahar 2 1 A suicide bomber kills two civilians.
8/28/06 Afghanistan Heart 1 0 A Turkish engineer is murdered by religious extremists while traveling on a highway.
8/28/06 Iraq Baghdad 20 62 A Fedayeen suicide bomber ends the lives of sixteen others near the entrance to a government building. Four others are shot to death.
8/28/06 Afghanistan Leskergah 19 41 Nineteen innocents at a marketplace are blown to bits by a Taliban suicide bomber. The casualties included fifteen children.
8/28/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 A man is murdered by Islamic terrorists at a petrol station.
8/28/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Muslim militants attack a man delivering donuts, killing him and then cutting off his ears.
8/28/06 Afghanistan Kabul 1 0 A second Turkish engineer is murdered in a garage by the Taliban.
8/28/06 Pakistan North Waziristan 1 0 Islamists kidnap a man, pump him full of bullets, then attach a note to his body.
8/28/06 Pakistan Naushki 1 0 A mob enters the home of a barber and shoots him to death.
8/27/06 Iraq Abara 3 0 Two brothers and their cousin are brutally slain by Religion of Peace rivals.
8/27/06 Iraq Khalis 9 15 Jihadis bomb a food market, killing at least nine patrons.
8/27/06 Iraq Baghdad 12 45 Two bombs, one hidden on a minibus and the other outside a newspaper office, leave a dozen Iraqis dead and forty others in agony.
8/27/06 Iraq Khalis 16 25 Terrorists storm a house and a café, killing sixteen people, including those rushing in to help the victims.
8/27/06 Iraq Basra 7 0 Seven people are killed by a bomb hidden on a motorcycle.
8/26/06 Ingushetia Ossetian Border 3 1 Terrorists attack a vehicle, killing three Russians inside.
8/26/06 Iraq Tikrit 3 2 Sunni extremists storm a bakery and murder three Shia workers.
8/26/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 Muslim militants ambush two pick-up trucks carrying soldiers, killing at least one.
8/26/06 Kosovo Kosovska Mitrovica 0 9 Nine people are injured when a Muslim hurls a bomb into a bar.
8/26/06 Iraq Iskandaria 3 17 Three people are blown apart in a Jihad car bombing.
8/26/06 Iraq Baqubah 4 11 Sunnis attack a Shia family, killing two women and two children.
8/26/06 Iraq Basra 4 0 Four civilians are killed in two separate attacks, including a woman.
8/26/06 Thailand Yala 2 5 Two Thai soldiers are killed by a remote-controlled roadside bomb.
8/25/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 25-year-old man is murdered by terrorists as he sat in his truck.
8/25/06 Afghanistan Ghazni 2 2 The Taliban kill two local officials in an attack on a community.
8/25/06 Iraq Balad Ruz 3 3 Three teenage boys playing soccer are blown apart in a Jihadi bombing.
8/25/06 Iraq Baqubah 9 0 Nine people are killed by Jihadis in various attacks.
8/25/06 India Doda 1 0 A woman is shot to death by the Mujahideen.
8/24/06 Iraq Baghdad 2 9 A suicide car bomber kill two civilians.
8/24/06 Iraq Balad 3 0 Jihadis kill three policemen.
8/24/06 Iraq Mosul 7 0 Seven civilians, including five members of the same family, are murdered by sectarian rivals.
8/23/06 Pakistan Sindh 5 11 Five members of a family, including a 3-year-old girl, are murdered in their home in an honor killing.
8/23/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A schoolteacher is gunned down by Muslim militants as he is on his way to teach.
8/23/06 Iraq Mosul 1 11 A suicidal Sunni kills a woman with explosives.
8/23/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Militant Muslims murder a community guard.
8/23/06 Iraq Baqubah 14 0 Fourteen victims of sectarian violence are found here and in Latifiya.
8/22/06 Iraq Baqubah 7 0 Islamic militants bomb a market, killing seven people.
8/22/06 Afghanistan Gayan 5 0 Religious extremists ambush a police vehicle, killing all five officers inside.
8/22/06 Iraq Baghdad 7 1 Seven civilians in a house are mowed down by Muslim gunmen.
8/22/06 Afghanistan Kandahar 2 3 A young girl and a Canadian soldier are murdered by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
8/21/06 India Baramulla 1 0 The Mujahideen gun down a man near his house.
8/21/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A man is murdered by Muslim terrorists in his living room.
8/21/06 Thailand Yala 3 0 Three Buddhist civilians are gunned down in an orchard by Islamic radicals.
8/20/06 Iraq Baghdad 20 302 Sunni snipers take down sixteen Shia pilgrims taking part in a religious festival.
8/20/06 Afghanistan Helmand 3 0 Three policemen are killed by a Taliban remote-controlled bomb.
8/20/06 Thailand Pattani 1 1 Muslim gunmen fire into a truck loaded with laborers, killing one.
8/20/06 Ingushetia Alkhasty 2 0 Islamic militants are suspected in two nighttime attacks on police officers in their homes. One was set on fire in front of his family.
8/20/06 Afghanistan Panjwai 5 11 The Taliban attack a police post, killing at least five Afghans.
8/20/06 Iraq Baqubah 6 0 Six Iraqis, including two brothers, are gunned down by Islamic militants.
8/20/06 Iraq Jurf al-Sakhar 2 0 Two civilians are brutally killed by Islamic terrorists.
8/19/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Radical Islamists shoot a plantation worker as he is riding a motorcycle to his job.
8/19/06 Afghanistan Paktika 1 0 A man is murdered by the Taliban.
8/19/06 Israel Bekaot 1 0 An Israeli is killed by a Fatah gunman in the West Bank.
8/19/06 Iraq Baqubah 12 0 A dozen farmers, university professors and students are gunned down by sectarian radicals.
8/19/06 Egypt Cairo 1 0 A Christian cobbler is stabbed to death by an angry Muslim.
8/19/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 Islamic terrorists shoot a man to death on a city street.
8/19/06 Algeria Telagh 2 1 Fundamentalists slit the throats of two victims, then place a bomb under the bodies to kill civil workers.
8/18/06 Iraq Baghdad 7 0 Seven Shiite pilgrims are gunned down by Sunni terrorists while en route to a religious ceremony.
8/18/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 58-year-old man is murdered in front of his house by militant Muslims.
8/17/06 Iraq Suwayra 6 0 Six victims of sectarian violence are fished out of a river, blindfolded and showing signs of torture..
8/17/06 Iraq Daquq 2 1 A bomb blast ends the lives of two civilians.
8/17/06 Thailand Pattani 2 0 Two men are shot off their motorbikes by Muslim terrorists in separate attacks.
8/17/06 Iraq Baghdad 3 28 Sunnis use a car bomb to kill three Shia civilians.
8/17/06 India Budgam 1 0 In a gruesome attack, militant Muslims kidnap a craftsman and then cut off his head.
8/17/06 Iraq Baqubah 9 0 Three brothers are among nine people assassinated by Islamic radicals.
8/17/06 India Srinagar 3 2 Three policemen are killed in separate attacks.
8/17/06 India Wutligam 1 0 A civilian is shot to death by the Mujahideen.
8/16/06 Ingushetia Nazran 1 1 A Russian is killed when Islamic separatists attack his vehicle with automatic weapons.
8/16/06 Iraq Baghdad 8 28 Religious radicals set off a bomb at a flea market, killing eight shoppers.
8/16/06 Iraq Baghdad 13 43 Jihadis massacre thirteen innocents with a twin bomb attack in a commercial district.
8/16/06 Iraq Muqdadiya 7 20 A female suicide bomber kills seven innocents at a bus station.
8/16/06 Afghanistan Ghazni 1 1 The Taliban murder a police officer.
8/15/06 Philippines Basilan 1 0 Abu Sayyaf is suspected in the assassination of a high school principal.
8/15/06 Iraq Muqdadiya 3 0 Islamic radicals gun down three bakers.
8/15/06 Iraq Mosul 9 36 A Fedayeen suicide bomber slaughters nine other people outside a political office.
8/14/06 Iraq Mosul 6 1 Muslim gunmen kill six civilians in three separate attacks, including three blacksmiths.
8/14/06 India Sopore 1 0 A grenade attack on a bus stop fatally injures a civilian.
8/14/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 56-year-old man is shot seven times in the head by Islamic separatists.
8/14/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 Islamic fundamentalists murder a pork seller.
8/14/06 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A rubber plantation worker is murderd by Islamic terrorists.
8/13/06 Israel Shlomi 1 21 Hezbollah fires rockets into an Israeli neighborhood, killing a 70-year-old man in his home.
8/13/06 Philippines Jolo 3 0 Abu Sayyaf kidnappers stab a businesswoman to death and behead her son after taking them captive. A policeman trying to rescue them is killed as well.
8/13/06 Iraq Baghdad 62 148 Sunni bombers massacre Shiites in a series of neighborhood bombings, racking up over sixty dead and one-hundred and fifty injured.
8/13/06 India Shopian 1 1 Harkat-ul-Mujahideen kill a 20-year-old woman and leave her sister-in-law critically injured.
8/13/06 Thailand Narathiwat 4 12 Islamic radicals kill a shopowner to draw police, then detonate a bomb, killing three additional civilians and injuring twelve.
8/13/06 Pal. Auth. Jenin 1 0 Islamic Jihad executes a man in front of a crowd of people.
8/13/06 Pakistan Baltistan 1 1 A bomb hidden in a toy kills a 14-year-old girl.
8/13/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 2 A man is killed by Muslim gunmen in a drive-by shooting while he is having tea. Two elderly patrons are wounded.
8/13/06 Afghanistan Bermel 5 6 Five Afghan soliders are killed when the Taliban stage a terror attack on their post.
8/12/06 Italy Brescia 1 0 A 20-year-old girl is killed by her family for having a relationship with a non-Muslim.
8/12/06 Iraq Mosul 12 4 Jihadis murder a dozen Iraqi civilians in a series of bombing and shooting attacks.
8/12/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 A circus owner is killed by two Muslim terrorists posing as customers.
8/12/06 India Drogian 2 0 Two elderly people are shot to death in their homes by Islamic terrorists.
8/12/06 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A policeman is gunned down by Muslim militants while on patrol.
8/12/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Islamists shoot a policeman in the back as he is leaving his house.
8/12/06 Iraq Baghdad 3 9 Three civilians are killed when Jihadis place a shrapnel bomb in a residential neighborhood.
8/11/06 Afghanistan Ghazni 2 1 Two civilians are killed by a roadside bombing.
8/11/06 India Arra 3 0 A Hindu mother and her two young children are brutally slain in their home by Muslim fanatics.
8/11/06 Afghanistan Spin Boldak 1 0 A suicide bomber kills a Canadian soldier in a transport convoy.
8/11/06 Iraq Baghdad 6 0 Religious radicals kidnap, torture and murder six members of a rival sect.
8/11/06 Afghanistan Nuristan 3 4 Three U.S. soldiers are killed when Taliban militants bombard their patrol with rockets.
8/11/06 Afghanistan Ghazni 1 0 Religious extremists kill a man outside his home.
8/11/06 Philippines Pikit 2 0 Two policemen are ambushed and executed by the Moro Islamic Liberation Front.
8/10/06 Israel Karmiel 1 0 A baby girl is killed by Hezbollah rockets fired on her family’s home.
8/10/06 Israel Dir el-Asad 2 11 A young mother and her 4-year-old son are blown apart in their home by a Katyusha rocket.
8/10/06 India Pattan 1 2 The Mujahideen gun down a civilian and injure his wife and neighbor.
8/10/06 Philippines North Cotabato 1 5 A bombing attack by Islamic militants leaves one dead and five injured.
8/10/06 Iraq Najaf 35 122 At least 35 innocent people at a market are blown to bits by an Islamic fanatic wrapped in explosives.
8/10/06 Israel Jerusalem 1 0 An Italian tourist is stabbed to death by a Palestinian youth.
8/9/06 Iraq Baghdad 18 2 Terrorists open fire on a street vendor grilling fish, killing five civilians. Thirteen other bodies are found elsewhere.
8/9/06 Ingushetia Nazran 1 13 Radicals bomb a prosecutor’s house, killing his brother.
8/9/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 An elderly gas station owner is shot to death in a Muslim terror attack.
8/9/06 Pakistan Angoor Adda 1 0 An elderly man is shot to death by Islamic militants.
8/8/06 Iraq Muqdadiya 3 0 Three people are shot to death by Jihad militants, including a teacher.
8/8/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 A rubber tapper is murdered by Islamic terrorists.
8/8/06 Iraq Baqubah 5 20 At least five people were killed when Muslim radicals blow up an apartment building in the middle of the night.
8/8/06 Iraq Baghdad 15 0 Fifteen bodies are found by police from sectarian violence.
8/8/06 Iraq Baghdad 10 69 Muslim terrorists set off two bombs at a bustling market, killing at least ten people.
8/8/06 Dagestan Makhachkala 3 0 Islamic separatists bomb a government official’s convoy, killing three people.
8/7/06 Iraq Khalis 4 7 Terrorists blow up a minibus, killing four civilians..
8/7/06 Iraq Fallujah 6 2 Six civilians are killed when Sunni terrorists set off a bomb by the side of a road.
8/7/06 Russia Karachaevsk 1 0 A local Imam is gunned down by Islamists for performing healing.
8/7/06 Iraq Baqubah 6 15 A senseless attack on a checkpoint by Sunni terrorists leaves at least six Iraqi soldiers dead.
8/7/06 Pakistan Garhiyoum 1 0 A tribal leader is abducted and beheaded by Muslim extremists.
8/7/06 Afghanistan Daigh 2 0 A 70-year-old woman and her 13-year-old grandson are pulled from their home and hanged by the Taliban.
8/7/06 India Donipawa 1 0 A civilian is abducted and murdered by the Mujahideen.
8/6/06 India Sopore 1 17 A woman is killed when Islamic terrorists lob a grenade into the street.
8/6/06 Iraq Baghdad 16 0 Police discover sixteen victims of sectarian violence in two location in the country. Women were among the dead.
8/6/06 Israel Haifa 3 189 A crowded residential area is the target of Hezbollah rockets. An Israeli woman is among three dead.
8/6/06 Israel Kfar Giladi 12 14 Hezbollah successfully hits a gathering of people in a community, killing twelve Israelis.
8/6/06 Iraq Tikrit 15 22 Fifteen mourners at a funeral are slaughtered by a suicide bomber.
8/6/06 Thailand Tala 1 0 A rubber plantation worker is machine-gunned to death by Islamic radicals.
8/6/06 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 52-year-old Buddhist civilian is gunned down by Muslims.
8/5/06 Israel al-Aramshe 3 4 A 60-year-old Arab-Israeli woman and her two daughters are killed when a Hezbollah rocket lands in their home.
8/5/06 India Poonch 1 0 The Mujahideen capture a village head, beat him up and then shoot him in the head.
8/5/06 Iraq Baghdad 9 0 Radicals kidnap and torture to death nine members of a rival Muslim sect.
8/4/06 Iraq Ubaydi 3 9 Three civilians are killed when Jihadis lob mortars into their neighborhood.
8/4/06 Iraq Hadhar 10 12 A Fedayeen suicide bomber plows his car into a crowd of specators at a soccer game, killing at least ten.
8/4/06 Israel Mughar 1 2 The mother of two young children is killed in her living room by a Hezbollah rocket.
8/4/06 Israel Karmiel 2 82 Two people are killed and dozens injured by more ‘Party of Allah’ rockets.
8/4/06 Afghanistan Kandahar 2 2 Two children are killed when religious extremists lob an explosive into a house.
8/4/06 Iraq Kut 7 0 Seven people are kidnapped and beheaded by Islamic radicals.
8/4/06 Iraq Dujail 4 8 Muslim terrorists barge into a home and kill four family members.
8/3/06 Iraq Mussayab 3 22 Jihad gunmen attack a wedding party, killing three members.
8/3/06 Tajikistan Dushanbe 1 0 An Islamist kills himself and a police officer with a grenade.
8/3/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 1 Islamic militants shoot a mechanic to death and seriously injure a 5-year-old girl.
8/3/06 Afghanistan Kandahar 21 13 A Shaheed martyr murders twenty-one innocents at a market by detonating explosives strapped to his body.
8/3/06 Israel Acre 5 92 Five Israeli civilians, including a father and daughter, are killed during a 90-minute rocket barrage on their town from Hezbollah.
8/3/06 Iraq Bahgdad 10 32 Allah’s butchers detonate a bomb in a rubbish pile, killing at least ten bystanders.
8/3/06 Iraq Wajihiya 4 0 Muslim radicals invade a home, killing three women and a man.
8/3/06 Israel Ma’a lot 3 0 Three Arab Israelis are killed by a Hezbollah rocket attack.
8/2/06 Iraq Suwayra 11 0 Eleven bound and tortured bodies, victims of sectarian violence, are pulled from a river.
8/2/06 Iraq Diwaniya 1 0 Radical Muslims murder an employee of a human rights group outside his home.
8/2/06 Iraq Baghdad 3 9 Three day laborers looking for work are blown to bits by Islamic bombers.
8/2/06 Israel Nahariya 1 0 An Israeli man is killed by a Hezbollah rocket while riding his bike.
8/2/06 Iraq Baghdad 12 14 Children as young as 11 are blown apart when Sunnis deliberately target a soccer match with a bomb hidden in a gym bag.
8/2/06 Iraq Beiji 24 0 Two-dozen people aboard a bus are slaughtered by a remote-controlled bomb operated by radical Sunnis.
8/2/06 Thailand Pattani 1 0 Islamists kill a guard at a construction site with a bomb.
8/2/06 Thailand Songkhla 3 1 Thai Islamists kill three policeman with a bomb planted along a railroad track.
8/2/06 Iraq Baghdad 14 37 Islamic terrorists target a bank with bombs, killing more than a dozen innocents.
8/1/06 Iraq Baghdad 56 91 At least fifty-six people are killed in five Jihad attacks by sectarian militants. Most are burned or blasted to death in bombings.
8/1/06 Afghanistan Helmand 3 1 A Taliban ambush on a NATO patrol leaves three British soldiers dead.
8/1/06 India Srinagar 4 2 Four Indian soldiers are shot to death by Islamic militants in two separate attacks. One was outside a hospital, and the other a shopping area.
7/31/06 Afghanistan Farmay Adha 8 16 The Taliban bomb a memorial service at a mosque, killing eight.
7/31/06 India Kangan 1 0 A man is abducted and murdered by the Mujahideen.
7/30/06 Iraq Iskandariya 4 11 Jihadis bomb a group of civilians traveling along a road, killing four.
7/30/06 Iraq Baghdad 15 0 Fifteen victims of Religion of Peace sectarian violence are found in various parts of the city bearing signs of torture.
7/30/06 Iraq al-Rasheed 23 0 In a horrible massacre, a dozen armed Sunnis force three minibuses of Shia pilgrams off the road, forcibly disembark the passengers, then machine-gun them to death.
7/30/06 Thailand Yala 1 1 A Muslim terrorist poses as a fruit seller in order to gain the confidence of two other fruit sellers, who he then guns down.
7/30/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A man is abducted and shot in the head by Islamic radicals.
7/29/06 Iraq Suwayra 2 0 Two Iraqi soldiers are kidnapped and beheaded.
7/29/06 Iraq Kirkuk 3 15 Jihadis kill three people with a car bomb.
7/28/06 Iraq Baghdad 4 6 A bomb planted between a mosque and a youth center kills four people.
7/28/06 Jordan Amman 1 0 A woman is hacked to death by relatives after delivering a baby out-of-wedlock.
7/28/06 Ingushetia Nazran 2 0 Two Russians are killed when Muslim sniper target their car.
7/28/06 Afghanistan Tagab 1 11 Religious extremists attack a police post, killing at least one officer.
7/28/06 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 Suspected Islamic terrorist assassinates a government minister.
7/28/06 USA Seattle, WA 1 5 An ‘angry’ Muslim-American barges into a local Jewish center and shoots six women, one of whom dies.
7/27/06 Iraq Baghdad 32 101 A car bombing and mortar attacks by Jihadis on a shopping district rack up more than thirty dead bodies.
7/27/06 Iraq Baghdad 19 0 The bodies of nineteen abductees showing signs of torture are found in various parts of the capital.
7/27/06 India Doda 1 6 A 14-year-old girl is killed when a militant Muslim tosses a grenade at her family.
7/27/06 Israel Abus 1 0 al-Fatah terrorists kidnap a 60-year-old Israeli man and then murder him, leaving his body in the truck of a burning car.
7/26/06 Afghanistan Zabul 1 8 Religious extremists fire on a truck carrying road workers, killing one of them.
7/26/06 India Sajan 1 0 Muslim terrorists slit a young girl’s throat.
7/26/06 India Renipora 3 0 Three Indian troops are killled in a Mujahideen ambush.
7/26/06 Afghanistan Kandahar 4 0 Four security guards are killed by the Taliban while in route to help another victim.
7/25/06 Israel Kfar Mrar 1 48 A 15-year-old girl is killed by a Hezbollah rocket.
7/25/06 Iraq Karbala 3 0 Three members of a wedding party are gunned down in a drive-by shooting.
7/25/06 Iraq Baghdad 25 0 The bodies of twenty-five abductees are found in four separate locations across the country.
7/25/06 Afghanistan Kabul 2 4 The Taliban kill two civilians with a roadside bomb. Four others are injured.
7/25/06 Iraq Baqubah 5 0 Five farmers are kidnapped, tortured and executed by Religion of Peace radicals.
7/25/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 The employee of a wood-processing plant is killed by Islamic gunmen.
7/25/06 Thailand Pattani 1 0 Militant Muslims shoot a man off of his motorcycle as he is riding to work.
7/24/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A Buddhist teacher is gunned down by Muslim militants in the classroom in front of his 10-year-old students.
7/24/06 Iraq Mosul 10 4 Five Iraqis are killed by a Fedayeen suicide bomber and two separate shootings leave five others dead.
7/23/06 Iraq Baghdad 42 94 Thirty-three of Baghdad’s poorest people are blown apart by a Sunni car bomb place just outside an open-air market. A second bombing nets another nine.
7/23/06 Thailand Pattani 1 3 Islamic radicals murder a 60-year-old janitor as he is buying vegetables for his wife.
7/23/06 Afghanistan Yaqubi 3 2 Three little girls are murdered by the Taliban in a grenade attack on their home.
7/23/06 Afghanistan Khost 1 3 A suicide bomber kills one other person.
7/23/06 India Larkipora 1 0 A political activist is shot to death by the Mujahideen.
7/23/06 Afghanistan Charsada 2 0 Two ‘World Vision’ humanitarian workers are murdered as they are returning from a charity mission.
7/23/06 Iraq Kirkuk 22 159 At least twenty-two souls are lost to a suicide bomber bent on achieving Islamic paradise.
7/23/06 Israel Haifa 2 14 Two Israelis are killed by Hezbollah rockets.
7/23/06 India Chatroo 1 1 Islamic militants murder a civilian and abduct another.
7/23/06 India Mawar Handwara 2 1 Two civilians are killed in a bombing by Islamic militants.
7/22/06 Iraq Baqubah 7 0 A suicidal Sunni bomber sends seven innocents to Allah.
7/22/06 Iraq Baghdad 7 1 Jihadis open fire on workers in a house, killing seven.
7/22/06 Afghanistan Kandahar 6 20 A religious extremist approaches a crowd of civilians and then detonates himself, killing at least six innocents.
7/22/06 Afghanistan Kandahar 2 8 Two Canadian troops are killed when a Fedayeen suicide bomber rams his car into their vehicle.
7/21/06 Iraq Baghdad 38 0 Police find 38 corpses of those killed in sectarian violence.
7/20/06 Thailand Pattani 3 1 Militant Muslims spray a police booth with automatic weapons, killing three officers.
7/20/06 Iraq Kirkuk 4 20 Four people are killed in a Jihad bombing.
7/20/06 Iraq Baghdad 8 31 Three separate terror bombings leave at least eight people dead.
7/20/06 Iraq Baiju 3 0 Islamic gunmen murder three oil refinery engineers.
7/20/06 Iraq Beiji 12 0 A dozen people examining a corpse in a car are killed when Jihadis detonate the vehicle remotely.
7/20/06 India Vehil Nowgam 1 0 A youth is executed in public view by the Mujahideen.
7/20/06 Iraq Muqdadiya 7 0 Seven people are killed in two separate Muslim terror attacks.
7/20/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 60-year-old fruit grower is gunned down by Islamic militants.
7/20/06 Iraq Basra 4 5 The throats of a mother and her three children are slit by Muslim terrorists in their home.
7/20/06 Iraq Fallujah 9 13 A Fedayeen suicide bomber ends the lives of six other people. Three others are kidnapped an tortured to death.
7/19/06 Iraq Mahmudiya 24 0 Eighteen people are kidnapped, tortured and shot to death. Another six in Suwayra.
7/19/06 Iraq Kirkuk 4 16 Four people at a café are killed by a bomb.
7/19/06 Iraq Rasheed 3 11 Muslim gunmen storm a market, shooting three people to death and injuring eleven.
7/19/06 Israel Nazareth 2 9 Two brothers, ages 9 and 3, are blown apart by Hezbollah rockets in their front yard.
7/19/06 Iraq Baghdad 12 29 A marketplace shooting and two bombings by Sunni radicals leaves at least a dozen innocents dead.
7/19/06 India Palhalan Pattan 1 0 A civilian is murdered by the Mujahideen.
7/18/06 Iraq Mahmudiya 14 0 Police find fourteen more victims of sectarian violence, blindfolded and shot at close range.
7/18/06 Philippines Maimbung 1 2 At least one policeman is killed in an attack by Muslim terrorists.
7/18/06 Iraq Kufa 59 132 A suicidal Sunni drives an explosives-packed minivan into a crowd of Shia laborers looking for work. Over fifty lay dead in the ensuing horror.
7/18/06 Iraq Tikrit 2 0 Radical Muslims cut off a girl’s head, then place it on a bomb, which kills another civilian when it detonates.
7/18/06 Israel Nahariya 1 60 An Israeli civilian is killed by a Hezbollah missile as the terror group fires multiple rockets into civilian areas.
7/18/06 Iraq Mosul 4 2 A suicide bomber punches his ticket to Allah, taking four other souls with him.
7/18/06 India Kulgam 1 0 A boy is kidnapped from a cricket match by Islamic terrorists, tied up and killed in front of a crowd.
7/18/06 Algeria Ain Defla 4 0 Four munincipal guards are shot to death in an ambush by Islamic fundamentalists.
7/18/06 India Mahore 1 0 A 6-year-old child dies from gunshot wounds after Muslim radicals fire into a family home.
7/18/06 Iraq Haditha 3 0 Three translators are brutally murdered by Islamic terrorists.
7/17/06 Israel Nablus 1 6 Palestinians throw a bomb at a group of Israeli soldiers in the West Bank, killing one.
7/17/06 India Poonch 1 0 Fedayeen attack a police station, killing a constable.
7/17/06 Afghanistan Gardez 5 22 A suicide bomber kills five people, including four civilians.
7/17/06 Chechnya Grozny 2 1 Jihadis spray two policemen with machine-gun fire in broad daylight.
7/17/06 Pakistan Torghundai 1 0 Islamists attack a police post and kill one officer.
7/17/06 Chechnya Grozny 2 0 A cleric and his brother are assasinated by gunmen at point-blank range.
7/17/06 Iraq Mahmoudiya 41 90 Sunni gunmen attack unarmed civilians in a market. Dozens of innocents are massacred.
7/17/06 Iraq Mahmoudiya 12 0 The bodies of a dozen victims of sectarian violence are found around the city.
7/16/06 Israel Haifa 8 17 Hezbollah fires Iranian missiles at an Israeli city, killing eight residents.
7/16/06 Iraq Kirkuk 2 0 Two barbers are murdered by Islamic fundamentalists.
7/16/06 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A man is stabbed to death by Muslim militants and dumped into a river.
7/16/06 Iraq Baghdad 6 40 Separate terror attacks leave ten civilians dead about forty injured.
7/16/06 Iraq Mosul 6 0 Three woman are among six people executed by Muslim radicals and dumped.
7/16/06 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 40-year-old retired policeman is killed by Islamic militants as he entered his home.
7/16/06 Thailand Pattani 1 0 Islamists on a motorcycle pump four rounds into a civilian.
7/16/06 Iraq Baghdad 26 22 A suicidal Sunni bomber slaughters twenty-six Shiite patrons in a café.
7/16/06 India Darhal 2 0 Two civilians are abducted and murdered by the Mujahideen.
7/16/06 Thailand Pattani 1 0 Thai Jihadis murder a 71-year-old man standing in front of his house.
7/16/06 Iraq Muqdadiyah 3 0 Three people, including a boy and woman are gunned down by Shia radicals.
7/15/06 India Hilltak 2 0 Two adults are killed inside their home by the Mujahideen.
7/15/06 Iraq Kirkuk 1 2 A bomb placed inside a computer explodes at an Internet café, killing one.
7/15/06 Iraq Baghdad 5 4 A suicide bomber kills two policemen. Elsewhere, Jihadis gun down three brothers.
7/15/06 India Ganderbal 2 3 The Mujahideen kill a civilian with a grenade. An injured man succumbs to injuries a day later.
7/14/06 Israel Meron 2 3 Hezbollah rockets kill an elderly woman and her 5-year-old grandson. The boy’s mother and father are seriously injured.
7/14/06 Iraq Baghdad 7 5 Muslim radicals bomb a rival mosque, killing seven.
7/14/06 Philippines Zamboanga 2 1 An Abu Sayyaf member carrying a Qur’an guns down two policemen.
7/14/06 Pakistan Karachi 3 1 A suicide bomber kills a Shiite cleric, his nephew and a guard.
7/14/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 52-year-old man is gunned down by Islamic radicals.
7/13/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 6 Islamists set off a bomb in a market, killing one person.
7/13/06 Israel Nahariya 1 29 A woman is killed in her home by Hezbollah rockets.
7/13/06 Israel Safed 1 21 A 70-year-old Israeli woman is killed by a Hezbollah rocket.
7/13/06 India Magnar 4 2 Two children are among four people killed by Lashkar-e-Toiba radicals, who gun down villagers in a heinous attack.
7/13/06 Iraq Kirkuk 3 5 Jihadis use a car bomb to kill three people.
7/13/06 Iraq Mosul 5 5 A suicide car bomber sends five others to Allah.
7/12/06 Israel Lebanese Border 7 2 Hezbollah stages a cross-border raid into Israel, killing seven Israelis and capturing two.
7/12/06 Afghanistan Zabul 3 0 Three Afghan border guards are killed by Islamic extremists.
7/12/06 Iraq Tikrit 2 0 Two carpenters are murdered by Muslim militants.
7/12/06 Iraq Baghdad 7 20 A Fedayeen suicide bomber walks into a restaurant and sends seven patrons to Allah.
7/12/06 Afghanistan Khost 1 5 A child is killed by a suicide bomber.
7/12/06 Iraq Muqdadiya 20 0 Twenty bus drivers are kidnapped and brutally executed by Sunni radicals.
7/12/06 Afghanistan Spin Boldak 2 8 The Taliban place a bomb in a fruit cart, killing two innocents.
7/12/06 Somalia Jowhar 1 0 Islamists shoot a man to death for complaining about new religious taxes.
7/11/06 Iraq Baghdad 23 15 In three horrible attacks, Islamic radicals kill twenty-three innocent people, including ten Shias on their way to a funeral.
7/11/06 India Mumbai 200 714 Lashkar-e-Toiba and local Students Islamic Movement of India set off coordinated bombs that kill nearly two hundred train commuters during the busy rush hour.
7/11/06 Somalia Mogadishu 140 150 Islamic militias stage a Jihad attack a compound. At least one-hundred and forty are killed in the following two days.
7/11/06 Iraq Baghdad 15 13 A double suicide bombing by determined Muslims ends the lives of fifteen innocent people.
7/11/06 India Srinagar 9 43 The Mujahideen hurl grenades at tourists, killing nine, including four women.
7/11/06 Iraq Baqubah 19 0 Nineteen people are gunned down by Muslim terrorists.
7/10/06 Iraq Suwayra 5 0 Five civilians are kidnapped and executed by the Mujahideen.
7/10/06 Algeria Tipaza 6 4 Algerian fundamentalists kill six people in an attack on a community.
7/10/06 Iraq Baghdad 6 28 Jihadis kill six with a car bomb located outside a restaurant.
7/10/06 Iraq Kirkuk 3 8 A Fedayeen suicide bomber murders three others.
7/10/06 Pakistan Malir 1 0 A prominent Sunni is gunned down in a sectarian attack.
7/10/06 Pakistan Babara 2 0 Local Islamists kill a tribal leader and a community guard in a pre-dawn attack.
7/9/06 Iraq Baghdad 19 59 Radical Sunnis bomb a Shiite mosque, killing nineteen innocents.
7/9/06 Somalia Mogadishu 19 20 At least nineteen people are killed when Islamic militias attack a compound.
7/9/06 Kyrgyztan Jalal-Abad 1 3 Islamic militants gun down a policeman.
7/9/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Muslim radicals gun down a young man at a rubber plantation.
7/9/06 Iraq Baghdad 41 0 Radical Shiites set up a phony roadblock and shoot 41 Sunni civilians to death in retaliation for a mosque bombing.
7/8/06 Iraq Baghdad 13 14 Five horrible attacks on civilians by Muslim terrorists leave thirteen dead, including six people who were merely collecting rags.
7/8/06 India Kulgam 5 32 Five people are killed when Islamic militants lob grenades at a female political figure.
7/8/06 Chechnya Shelkovskaya 4 2 Four civilians are murdered by the Mujahideen in an ambush on their vehicle.
7/8/06 Ingushetia Sunzhensky 2 1 Militants ambush a car with automatic weapons, killing two occupants.
7/7/06 Iraq Baghdad 5 9 Shia terrorists bomb two Sunni mosques, killing five people.
7/7/06 Iraq Baghdad 3 30 Sunnis mortar a Shia mosque, killing at least three innocents.
7/7/06 Iraq Tal Banat 6 46 Six Shia worshippers at a mosque are blown apart by Sunni radicals in a bombing.
7/7/06 Iraq Khadimiyah 4 38 Islamic terrorists massacre four children in a mortar attack on a field where they are playing.
7/6/06 Iraq Kufa 13 41 Sunni ‘freedom fighters’ blast two buses full of Shiite pilgrims with a car bomb, killing at least thirteen.
7/5/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 A man is shot to death by Islamic gunmen while riding a motorcycle.
7/5/06 Afghanistan Kabul 1 47 Three Taliban bombs against commuter buses leave at least one person dead.
7/5/06 Nigeria Kumutu 3 30 Nigerian ‘Taliban’ attacks Christian villagers, killing at least three.
7/5/06 Iraq Baghdad 2 10 Jihadis bomb a restaurant, killing two people.
7/4/06 Chechnya Avtury 6 14 The Mujahideen fire rockets at a truck convoy, killing at least six Russians.
7/4/06 Iraq Karbala 6 0 Six civilians are killed execution style by Muslim terrorists.
7/4/06 Philippines Patikul 2 0 Abu Sayyaf terrorists ambush and kill two government soldiers.
7/4/06 India Sarharda 1 0 Lashkar-e-Toiba kidnap a man, take him to a field and then slit his throat.
7/4/06 Turkey Gaziantep 1 0 A pregnant 16-year-old girl is brutally slain in her bed by her brother in an ‘honor killing.’
7/4/06 Somalia Mogadishu 2 0 Hard-line Islamists open fire on a group of teenagers watching a World Cup match, killing two, including a girl.
7/3/06 Iraq Diwaniya 3 0 Religious fundamentalists kill two alcohol traders. A third person is beheaded elsewhere.
7/3/06 India Poonch 1 0 Hizb-ul-Mujahideen kidnap a police officer then cut out his eyes, ears and penis before slitting his throat.
7/3/06 Iraq Hawija 1 0 Islamic terrorists kidnap and behead a civilian.
7/3/06 Iraq Mosul 5 28 Jihadis bomb a crowded market, killing five innocents.
7/3/06 Afghanistan Herat 1 6 A female university student is murdered by religious extremists.
7/3/06 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 6 Fedayeen suicide bomber kills one other person.
7/3/06 Afghanistan Kunar 5 1 Five laborers are shot to death by Taliban extremists.
7/2/06 Iraq Baqubah 2 3 Two members of a family are killed when Islamic terrorists set off a bomb outside their home.
7/2/06 Iraq Baghdad 3 29 Three separate bombings kill three people and injure over two dozen others.
7/2/06 Pakistan Lower Dir 6 7 Six members of a security patrol are killed by a Taliban landmine at an Afghan refugee camp.
7/1/06 Afghanistan Sangin 3 4 Two Brits and an Afghan interpretered are killed in an attack on their compound by the Taliban.
7/1/06 Iraq Baghdad 62 114 Sixty-two Shiite shoppers are blown to bits in a horrific marketplace bombing by Sunni terrorists that leaves over a hundred others in various stages of suffering.
7/1/06 Iraq Mosul 2 6 Two people are killed by a suicide bomber.
7/1/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Radical Muslims shoot a 22-year-old man to death as he is sleeping in the back of his pick-up truck.
7/1/06 Iraq Haditha 5 12 Jihadis mortar a residential neighborhood, killing five residents.
7/1/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 Muslim terrorists shoot a civilian off of his motorcycle.
6/30/06 Iraq Baghdad 7 0 Six bodies are found dumped in a house and Jihadi terrorists elsewhere gun down an Imam.
6/30/06 Pakistan Ipi 1 0 Shouting “Allah akbar,” executioners shoot a man to death in a public square.
6/30/06 Pakistan Gadi Wind 1 0 A group of Muslim bulldoze a Christian family’s house, killing an infant.
6/30/06 Pakistan Spinkai Raghzai 1 3 Local Taliban shoot a rival religious leader to death.
6/29/06 Iraq Baghdad 8 4 In separate attacks, Jihadis kill eight civilians including a baker, and electrical worker, a garbage collector and a university professor.
6/29/06 Iraq Kirkuk 4 27 A suicide bomber kills four Iraqis at a funeral.
6/29/06 Iraq Kirkuk 2 0 A 15-year-old girl is among two people kidnapped and murdered by radical Muslims.
6/29/06 Algeria Albalouta 2 11 Islamic fundamentalists attack a communal guard post with rockets, killing two people, whose bodies they later burned.
6/29/06 Iraq Hilla 14 0 Fourteen bodies are found in Hilla, Kut and Karbala. The victims included women and children who were killed in brutal fashion.
6/29/06 India Kashmir 2 0 Two civilians are shot to death by radical Muslims in separate attacks (Kangan and Bandipore).
6/28/06 Nigeria Izom 1 0 A 20-year-old woman is stoned to death by a Muslim mob after she criticized Islam.
6/28/06 Iraq Baqubah 3 12 Jihadis use a car bomb in a crowd of laborers looking for work. Children are among the casualties.
6/28/06 Philippines Maguindanao 1 2 A government official is gunned down and two 9-year-old girls are wounded by suspected Muslims .
6/28/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 5 Islamic gunmen storm into a karaoke bar, killing one and injuring five others.
6/27/06 Afghanistan Kunduz 2 8 Fedayeen bombers target German peacekeepers, but kill two civilians.
6/27/06 Thailand Yala 5 1 Islamists target a convoy of teachers with a bomb. Five security guards are killed in the explosion.
6/27/06 Thailand Narathiwat 2 0 Two villagers are murdered by Islamic radicals.
6/27/06 Iraq Kirkuk 3 21 Jihadis blow up a gas station, killing three patrons.
6/27/06 Iraq Baghdad 3 3 Three policemen are killed in a roadside terror bombing.
6/27/06 Iraq Baghdad 3 10 A nail-packed bomb at a market kills three.
6/27/06 Somalia Lafole 6 0 Islamic militias break a truce and attack two checkpoints.
6/27/06 India Rajpora 2 0 Two people are kidnapped by Islamic militants, and then exectuted with their bodies thrown into a stream.
6/27/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 A man is killed in his home by Islamists.
6/26/06 India Bandipore 3 0 Islamic radicals gun down three civilians.
6/26/06 Iraq Baqubah 18 25 Islamic terrorists bomb a crowded market, slaughtering at least eighteen innocents.
6/26/06 Iraq Hilla 6 56 Six shoppers at a market are murdered in a Jihad bombing.
6/26/06 India Baramulla 2 0 Two civilians are murdered by the Mujahideen in separate attacks.
6/26/06 Pakistan Guldar 5 0 Local Talibanis attack a civilian and kill him along with four family members.
6/26/06 Pakistan North Waziristan 6 5 A Fedayeen suicide bomber plows into a checkpoint, taking the lives of six Pakistanis.
6/26/06 Pakistan Karachi 1 0 A Muslim man slits his pregnant wife’s throat in an honor killing.
6/25/06 Iraq Baghdad 3 0 Islamists read from the Qur’an as they execute three Russian hostages in cold blood. The last two are forced to stand over the blood and decapitated body of the first.
6/25/06 Iraq Baghdad 5 22 Two Jihad bombings, one in a shopping center and the other on a minibus, leave at least five Iraqi civilians dead.
6/25/06 Iraq Hawija 3 0 Three Shiites are killed in a drive-by shooting.
6/25/06 Israel Kerem Shalom 2 3 Hamas takes credit for an attack on Israel that leaves two IDF soldiers dead and a third kidnapped.
6/25/06 India Tral 1 0 The Mujahideen kidnap a policeman and then torture and execute him.
6/25/06 USA Denver, CO 1 5 Saying that it was ‘Allah’s choice’, a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.
6/25/06 Pakistan Karachi 2 0 Muslims gun down two civilians in a suspected sectarian attack.
6/25/06 Israel Ramallah 1 0 An 18-year-old Israeli hitchhiker is picked up by Palestinian terrorists and murdered.
6/24/06 Iraq Baqubah 14 5 Three civilians at a car dealership are among fourteen who loose their lives to Islam in four terror attacks.
6/24/06 India Srinigar 1 9 An Islamic militant tosses a grenade into a crowded street crossing.
6/24/06 Iraq Suwayra 1 0 A young woman is tortured and beheaded by angry Muslims.
6/24/06 Afghanistan Khost 1 0 Religious extremists kill a policeman as he is driving to work.
6/24/06 India Palhalan 1 1 A 12-year-old boy is killed in a Mujahideen ambush.
6/23/06 India Lal Chowk 1 0 Islamists murder a police officer on a city street in the capital.
6/23/06 Iraq Hibhib 10 15 Shia terrorists bomb a Sunni mosque, killing at least ten.
6/23/06 Afghanistan Zabul 4 0 The Taliban kidnap four civilians and then cut off their heads.
6/23/06 Philippines Shariff Aguak 6 9 Six shoppers are blown to bits when Filipino Muslims set off a bomb at a crowded market.
6/23/06 Iraq Baghdad 5 0 The bodies of five factory workers, kidnapped the day before, are found in a river.
6/23/06 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 A Swedish journalist attending an Islamic rally is shot fatally in the chest.
6/23/06 Iraq Basra 5 15 At least five people are killed when Islamic militants bomb a gas station.
6/22/06 India Rajpura 1 0 A civilian is killed in his home by the Mujahideen.
6/22/06 Iraq Hawija 1 0 A carpenter is murdered by Islamic terrorists.
6/22/06 India Sopore 2 20 Muslim militants hurl a grenade at the house of a religious rival, killing a woman and a child, and injuring twenty others.
6/21/06 Dagestan Khasavyurt 2 0 Two policemen sitting in a car are slaughtered in a brutal shooting attack at a traffic stop.
6/21/06 Algeria Bouira 6 3 Islamic fundamentalists ambush a security patrol, killing six individuals.
6/21/06 Pakistan Bannu 3 1 Three Pakistan policemen on patrol are murdered by al-Qaeda backed terrorists.
6/21/06 Iraq Baghdad 4 6 Jihadis murder two people with a car bomb at a crowded market. Elsewhere, a Sunni imam and a high school teacher are gunned down.
6/21/06 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 7 A Fedayeen suicide bomber kills a civilian and injures seven others.
6/20/06 Iraq Baghdad 2 18 Islamic terrorists kill two civilians in a bomb attack on a commercial area.
6/20/06 Iraq Basra 2 3 Elderly patients at an old age home are targeted by a Sunni suicide bomber. Two are killed.
6/20/06 Algeria Blida 5 0 Five farmers are murdered by Islamic fundamentalists in a gruesome knife attack.
6/20/06 Iraq Suwayra 7 0 The bodies of seven victims of Islamic radicals are found handcuffed and tortured.
6/20/06 India Aaora Missipora 1 0 A political activist is shot to death by the Mujahideen.
6/19/06 Afghanistan Kandahar 4 0 Four members of a construction company are killed when religious extremists attack their vehicle.
6/19/06 Pakistan Wana 1 0 Militant Muslims assassinate a tribal chief.
6/19/06 India Tangmarg 1 0 A civilian is abducted and murdered by the Mujahideen.
6/19/06 Iraq Baghdad 7 13 Seven civilians are murdered by Islamic terrorists in two car bombings.
6/18/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 48-year-old man out for a Sunday drive is shot to death by Islamists.
6/18/06 Iraq Baqubah 13 0 Radical Muslims gun down three people in cold blood, as ten other bodies are found elsewhere.
6/18/06 Afghanistan Helmand 32 14 Some thirty members of the same family are massacred by the Taliban.
6/18/06 Thailand Pattani 1 2 An 88-year-old woman is murdered when Islamists open up on a crowd with automatic weapons.
6/18/06 Iraq Mosul 1 19 Jihadis murder a high-school girl and injure nineteen others with a car bomb.
6/17/06 Iraq Baghdad 3 14 Muslim extremists bomb a minibus, killing at least four passengers.
6/17/06 Thailand Yala 1 2 Islamists bomb a karaoke bar, killing one patron.
6/17/06 Iraq Baghdad 8 37 Jihadis target two markets with explosives, killing at least eight shoppers and leaving another 25 in various stages of injury.
6/17/06 Iraq Baghdad 23 52 Two suicidal Sunnis slaughter dozens in separate attacks at traffic checkpoints.
6/16/06 India Kashmir 2 0 Two civilians are murdered by militant Muslims in separate attacks.
6/16/06 Pakistan Muzzafargarh 1 0 A man accussed of blasphemy is knifed to death by two religious men outside a courtroom.
6/16/06 Iraq Fallujah 5 0 Jihad gunmen massacre five truck drivers trying to make a living.
6/16/06 Pakistan Orakzai 4 0 Two girls under the age of 5 are slaughtered along with two women working for an NGO by Muslim gunmen who broke into their home in the middle of the night.
6/16/06 Iraq Baghdad 11 25 A Sunni suicide bomber hits a Shiite mosque, blasting eleven worshippers to Allah and leaving dozens more in agony.
6/16/06 Iraq Baghdad 3 16 Muslim terrorists fire mortar rounds into a residential neighborhood, killing at least three Iraqis.
6/16/06 India Bandipore 2 3 The Mujahideen stages a grenade attack along a city street, killing two civilians.
6/16/06 Iraq Yusifiyah 3 0 Islamic terrorists attack a checkpoint and kidnap two U.S. soldiers, who are later tortured to death.
6/15/06 India Dunga 1 13 Two brothers are brutally tortured by Islamists, who cut off their tongues, noses and ears. A 65-year-old man is also shot to death.
6/15/06 Iraq Baqubah 10 2 Muslim gunmen slaughter ten laborers as they are headed to work. All are shot to death.
6/15/06 Thailand Pattani 1 10 Islamists bomb a tea shop, killing a Buddhist patron. Just one of 41 bombs set that morning.
6/15/06 Algeria Gouraya 10 0 Two people are beheaded by Islamic fundamentalists, who also kill seven other persons in separate attacks.
6/15/06 Thailand Pattani 1 6 A man is killed by Muslim bombers targeting a city hall.
6/15/06 Afghanistan Kandahar 10 16 Religious extremists bomb a minibus carrying laborers, killing at least ten people.
6/15/06 Pakistan Hasilpur 1 1 An elderly man is killed by a Muslim mob as he tries to protect another man from torture over suspicion of blasphemy.
6/15/06 India Srundoo 1 0 The Mujahideen gun down a civilian.
6/15/06 Pakistan Karachi 5 6 Militants ambush a car carrying policemen on a city street, killing five people.
6/15/06 Pakistan Mir Ali 1 0 A journalist who was abducted six months earlier is executed by Islamists while in handcuffs.
6/15/06 Iraq Tikrit 4 15 Radicals storm a mosque and shoot a cleric and three others to death.
6/14/06 Iraq Baghdad 2 7 Jihadis detonate a car bomb near a market, killing two civilians.
6/14/06 Pakistan Thabi 1 0 A man is kidnapped and beheaded by local Taliban.
6/14/06 India Sopore 1 0 A man is murdered by Islamic terrorists.
6/14/06 India Bandipore 2 0 Two civilians are gunned down by the Mujahideen.
6/13/06 India Anantnag 1 0 The Mujahideen abduct a civilian, murder him and then toss his body in a stream.
6/13/06 Iraq Kirkuk 22 43 A series of Jihad car bombings leave at least twenty people dead, mostly civilians.
6/13/06 Iraq Baghdad 7 0 Islamists shoot a university professor to death as six bodies showing signs of torture are found elsewhere.
6/13/06 Algeria Skikda 1 3 A bomb attack by Islamic fundamentalists kills an Algerian soldier.
6/12/06 Iraq Suwayra 9 0 A 10-year-old boy is among nine people killed by radical Shiites and dumped into a river.
6/12/06 Iraq Baghdad 5 19 A suicidal Sunni blows up five Shiites at a market.
6/12/06 India Jammu 1 22 Hindu pilgrims at a busstop are the targets of a grenade attack by Islamic militants.
6/12/06 Iraq Tal Afar 4 43 A Fedayeen suicide bomber plow
June 6, 2007 at 6:25 pm
‘Uneducated idiot’, I’m sorry to say that I think you completely, misunderstood, my post.
By the way, why did you choose that name?
June 6, 2007 at 6:57 pm
“most muslims r caught in a catch-22 situation.”
awwww.
well isn’t that just a crying shame, nuh?
I feel so sorry for them, and all the other misguided idiots following this or that childish religion of psychological support,
to the point where we’re at war with each other,
both sides both religions being “peaceful” and “loving”…yeah yeah..yadda yadda yadda
just like the idiot Catholics versus the idiot Protestants in Northern Island,
self destructing just like they absolutely DESERVE TO.
Fools, all of them.
Keep “believing” ad infinitum…ad nauseum – FOOLS,all of you mindless believers!
My prophet vs. Your Prophet.
LMAO!
June 6, 2007 at 8:18 pm
mercy mercy,
so tell me, who r the guided ones?the non religious, the secular ones,well the way see it they r in the same boat. everybody’s fighting now adays for something or the other.
June 6, 2007 at 8:43 pm
hey brim,
the name was just trying to be sarcastic n funny at the same time.think ill change it though to something more barbadiana……like……..cheesecutter.Yeah thats it my new name will be cheesecutter.Bfp take note.
June 6, 2007 at 9:49 pm
Re: uneducated iddiot
June 6th, 2007 at 5:40 pm
If saddam was such abad man why didnt they invade earlier or took him out earlier.but then u know what ,he was their toy in the 80’s vs. iran so he was the hero while iran the villian.why take out only saddam ,why not egypt ,syria,s.arabia etc bcos they also suppress their population.
Me: Doan forget their big time ally now in Pakistan– Musharraf…. He wasn’t even elected he disposed the last government in a dey too coup. So forget that standing for Democracy ting too.. haha
And as far as your statement about Saddam being the USA’s toyboy… Yuh is right on de money. But doan tell Bimbro and dem nuh- he might burst a blood vessel in he neck or something….
Reference-
Article: Saddam Hussein Helped Detroit Church, Got Key to City
Date: Thursday, March 27, 2003
Source: http://www.FoxNews.com
Link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,82317,00.html
(Begin)
DETROIT — Saddam Hussein donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to a Detroit church and received a key to the city more than two decades ago, soon after he became president of Iraq.
The events contrast sharply with the attack Saddam’s regime is now facing from a U.S.-led coalition, reflecting his changed relationship with the United States since Washington helped Saddam covertly in his 1980-88 war with Iran.(End)
Everything is juss a single wheel turning.
June 7, 2007 at 1:14 am
dear bfp,
i see i’ve step on that big toenail of yours.i was trying to xplain to you why muslims didnt wholeheartedly denounce 9/11.bcos thats what u pointed out in particular.re:last para..
As for the whole list u give there i am sure muslims do not support these extremists.
mind u i noticed that almost half of the list is in iraq where there are 2 wars being fought. iraqi vs the coalition of the willing and ,sunnis vs shias.
another 1/4 is devoted to afghanistan whereu know its another war between the coalition of the willing and the taliban & al qaeda.
i also noticed u mentioned attacks on israel i was surprised they were only about 10 mentioned.do me a favour since u like lists give me alist of all the people that israel has killed in the last six months.n while u r at it give me alist of all those murdered in usa[iam not singling dem out just by way of example] by guns.
this is the thing,whenever a muslim kills someone he is labelled aterrorist/mugahidin/extremist/militant even though it may be a domestic dispute or some other matter.u know why ,bcos muslims r the “in ” thing now.
by the way 6/21/06 afgha…..how did the fedayeen end up there ,i thought they were in iraq.see what i tell ya.
6/25/06 irael hamas idf….u got to be kidding bfp.
9/5/06 pakistan, man kills wife in honour ……,oh lordy what does that have to do with militants?
9/22/06 afgan…taliban attack fuel tankers kill…1 driver….what should they do ,they r fighting the socalled govt ,tell the driver get out first…come on man they r at war…remember who said it “u r either with us or against us”.do soldiers in iraq ask first n then shoot or the other way around.
do me a favour, de udder day a woman in in usa killed her three children, find out for me if she was a muslim.or what was her religious persuasion.then i would do like u n get a list of christians ,then atheists etc.who have done something wrong.
se the bbc today,21 people were killed in kenyacheck out if their religios persuasion so i could put in 1 of my lists for u.
the thing is bfp i am in no way condoning extemists acts but today if a taliban[muslim] farts in kandahar it is heard on fox news as a breaking story .lol.
June 7, 2007 at 1:24 am
The list of Islamic murders/murderers is impressive and shows that BFP is really able to do very in depth research as to who was responsible for what and when. What was that I hear? You can also be mistaken and have poor sources of information Re; Crooked Veco executive!
Peace
June 7, 2007 at 2:19 am
BFP:
Do you realise that anyone too can post a list just as long, about the atrocities perpetrated by the USA?
That list is short compared to what they have done in the past.
Maybe Panama,Grenada and Somalia is enough to equal that list in short.
It is amazing how you profess to be ‘Christians’ but lose your cool so easily.
Temper ,temper…….be quick to reason not anger.
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Comment by BFP
OK, you’re on, Chase!
But first, let’s not change the subject… that list was in response to the argument that Muslim Extremists murder because of injustices by the USA – not religious fanaticism. So throw out everything on that list but Thailand – unless you think that the Muslims in Thailand are killing 5 year old girls because of the USA.
Now… about that list.
Please post a similar list for the same four month period of Christians who killed for religious fanaticism – ie: to please God, get the heavenly reward etc…
GO!
June 7, 2007 at 2:28 am
Comment by BFP
OK, you’re on, Chase!
But first, let’s not change the subject… that list was in response to the argument that Muslim Extremists murder because of injustices by the USA – not religious fanaticism. So throw out everything on that list but Thailand – unless you think that the Muslims in Thailand are killing 5 year old girls because of the USA.
Now… about that list.
Please post a similar list for the same four month period of Christians who killed for religious fanaticism – ie: to please God, get the heavenly reward etc…
GO!
June 7, 2007 at 2:51 am
OK uneducated iddiot and Chase…
Oops!
It is only a three month period…
Go to it Chase & UI…
Please come up with a list of murders by Christians done for religious reasons in the exact same period… from June 15, 2006 to September 16, 2006
Here is the revised list for a 3 month period in Thailand only…
Take each one of these brutal murders and tell me how the USA is responsible for each one.
Date Country City Killed Injured Description
9/16/06 Thailand Hat Yai 5 79 At least five patrons of a shopping district are killed when Muslim militants set off six separate bombs.
9/15/06 Thailand Narathiwat 2 1 Two civilians are brutally shot to death by Islamic militants while traveling on a road.
9/15/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A man is killed in his home by militant Muslims.
9/11/06 Thailand Yala 1 4 A Buddhist woman is gunned down by militant Muslims in her grocery store.
9/5/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Muslims gun down a man sitting in a tea shop.
9/5/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Muslim militants set fire to a house, killing a 61-year-old man.
9/5/06 Thailand Yala 1 2 An older woman is killed in her home by Islamists.
8/31/06 Thailand Yala 1 27 Islamists set off two dozen bombs in garbage cans, killing at least one person.
8/28/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 A man is murdered by Islamic terrorists at a petrol station.
8/28/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Muslim militants attack a man delivering donuts, killing him and then cutting off his ears.
8/26/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 Muslim militants ambush two pick-up trucks carrying soldiers, killing at least one.
8/26/06 Thailand Yala 2 5 Two Thai soldiers are killed by a remote-controlled roadside bomb.
8/25/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 25-year-old man is murdered by terrorists as he sat in his truck.
8/23/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A schoolteacher is gunned down by Muslim militants as he is on his way to teach.
8/23/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Militant Muslims murder a community guard.
8/21/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A man is murdered by Muslim terrorists in his living room.
8/21/06 Thailand Yala 3 0 Three Buddhist civilians are gunned down in an orchard by Islamic radicals.
8/20/06 Thailand Pattani 1 1 Muslim gunmen fire into a truck loaded with laborers, killing one.
8/19/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Radical Islamists shoot a plantation worker as he is riding a motorcycle to his job.
8/19/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 Islamic terrorists shoot a man to death on a city street.
8/18/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 58-year-old man is murdered in front of his house by militant Muslims.
8/17/06 Thailand Pattani 2 0 Two men are shot off their motorbikes by Muslim terrorists in separate attacks.
8/14/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 56-year-old man is shot seven times in the head by Islamic separatists.
8/14/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 Islamic fundamentalists murder a pork seller.
8/14/06 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A rubber plantation worker is murderd by Islamic terrorists.
8/13/06 Thailand Narathiwat 4 12 Islamic radicals kill a shopowner to draw police, then detonate a bomb, killing three additional civilians and injuring twelve.
8/13/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 2 A man is killed by Muslim gunmen in a drive-by shooting while he is having tea. Two elderly patrons are wounded.
8/12/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 A circus owner is killed by two Muslim terrorists posing as customers.
8/12/06 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A policeman is gunned down by Muslim militants while on patrol.
8/12/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Islamists shoot a policeman in the back as he is leaving his house.
8/9/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 An elderly gas station owner is shot to death in a Muslim terror attack.
8/8/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 A rubber tapper is murdered by Islamic terrorists.
8/6/06 Thailand Tala 1 0 A rubber plantation worker is machine-gunned to death by Islamic radicals.
8/6/06 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 52-year-old Buddhist civilian is gunned down by Muslims.
8/3/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 1 Islamic militants shoot a mechanic to death and seriously injure a 5-year-old girl.
8/2/06 Thailand Pattani 1 0 Islamists kill a guard at a construction site with a bomb.
8/2/06 Thailand Songkhla 3 1 Thai Islamists kill three policeman with a bomb planted along a railroad track.
7/30/06 Thailand Yala 1 1 A Muslim terrorist poses as a fruit seller in order to gain the confidence of two other fruit sellers, who he then guns down.
7/30/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A man is abducted and shot in the head by Islamic radicals.
7/25/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 The employee of a wood-processing plant is killed by Islamic gunmen.
7/25/06 Thailand Pattani 1 0 Militant Muslims shoot a man off of his motorcycle as he is riding to work.
7/24/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A Buddhist teacher is gunned down by Muslim militants in the classroom in front of his 10-year-old students.
7/23/06 Thailand Pattani 1 3 Islamic radicals murder a 60-year-old janitor as he is buying vegetables for his wife.
7/20/06 Thailand Pattani 3 1 Militant Muslims spray a police booth with automatic weapons, killing three officers.
7/20/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 60-year-old fruit grower is gunned down by Islamic militants.
7/16/06 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A man is stabbed to death by Muslim militants and dumped into a river.
7/16/06 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 40-year-old retired policeman is killed by Islamic militants as he entered his home.
7/16/06 Thailand Pattani 1 0 Islamists on a motorcycle pump four rounds into a civilian.
7/16/06 Thailand Pattani 1 0 Thai Jihadis murder a 71-year-old man standing in front of his house.
7/14/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 52-year-old man is gunned down by Islamic radicals.
7/13/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 6 Islamists set off a bomb in a market, killing one person.
7/9/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Muslim radicals gun down a young man at a rubber plantation.
7/5/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 A man is shot to death by Islamic gunmen while riding a motorcycle.
7/1/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Radical Muslims shoot a 22-year-old man to death as he is sleeping in the back of his pick-up truck.
7/1/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 Muslim terrorists shoot a civilian off of his motorcycle.
6/28/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 5 Islamic gunmen storm into a karaoke bar, killing one and injuring five others.
6/27/06 Thailand Yala 5 1 Islamists target a convoy of teachers with a bomb. Five security guards are killed in the explosion.
6/27/06 Thailand Narathiwat 2 0 Two villagers are murdered by Islamic radicals.
6/27/06 Thailand Yala 1 0 A man is killed in his home by Islamists.
6/18/06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 48-year-old man out for a Sunday drive is shot to death by Islamists.
6/18/06 Thailand Pattani 1 2 An 88-year-old woman is murdered when Islamists open up on a crowd with automatic weapons.
6/17/06 Thailand Yala 1 2 Islamists bomb a karaoke bar, killing one patron.
6/15/06 Thailand Pattani 1 10 Islamists bomb a tea shop, killing a Buddhist patron. Just one of 41 bombs set that morning.
6/15/06 Thailand Pattani 1 6 A man is killed by Muslim bombers targeting a city hall.
That is only 3 months.
June 7, 2007 at 3:09 am
dear bfp
re:Let me hear you say without qualification that the Muslims who murdered all those folks on 9/11 are burning in hell and are not with their virgins in Heaven. Say it… or don’t say it. But whatever you say, please don’t use weasel words.
the comments i made were in response to this comment above.where i mentioned briefly the reason why alqaida attacked was bcos of u.s policy etc….I didnt say that u.s was responsible for every extremists act of terror.
can u link the site where u get all this info from n if possible links to each of these thailand incidents.
re:old name is uneducated idiot so i not hiding or anything.
June 7, 2007 at 3:29 am
George W Bush!!
June 7, 2007 at 3:49 am
update :just checked these muslims in yala thailand[religion buddhist]. It appears to be another insurgency .funny thing though ,wikepedia states that about 1800 civilians killed while about 1400 insurgents/separatists killed.
now here’s the thing check the map ,this yala place is bordering malaysia[official religion islam].its probobly that these separatists are mostly muslims n they want their own homeland or join with malay….this is how SEPARATISTS fight,they humbug the govt by drive shootings etc. so that the govt would give in to their objectives and its just by chance that they muslims so therefore terroirists.
check srilanka, tamils have been fightin for own homeland eva since n doing the same thing ,but no no bfp ,they r not terrorists ,they r labelled separatists.
the kurds want their own homeland between south turkey n northern iraq and have been ’struggling’ against secular turkey and pre-bush iraq a long time now,but r they terrorists? nooo noo bfp ,they are separatists[even though maj. r muslims].
as i always say,ONE MAN’S TERRORIST IS ANOTHER MANS FREEDOM FIGHTER.
again i repeat i dont support their methods but separatists/small groups/minorities/light weapon groups will always resort to these tactics.
peace nah it getting late i sleepy.
June 7, 2007 at 3:51 am
The list of innocent Iraqis and Afghan civilians would take too long to post.
They were killed under the direct order of a Christian president who controls the worlds deadliest army.
These innocent people were killed by 5000 lbs bombs dropped on their city in the name of regime change.
Should I mention the list of innocent Lebanese people who died and are still dying from unexploded ordinance ?Not to mention the fact that these type of bombs are banned in warfare.Not to mention the fact that they were dropped purposely in civilian areas,AFTER the cease fire.
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BFP responds…
Sorry Chase… doesn’t cut it. Are you saying that Bush bombs and kills to fulfill Christian religious beliefs? Are you saying that murder is not only condoned but ordered in the Christian faith and that as a good Christian Bush is fulfilling scripture and commands from his god?
Now let’s get back to the subject… which is the thought or theory as posted by many on this blog that Muslim jihadists murder infidels not because their religion tells them to or because they are advancing Islam through the sword, but because the United States causes them to.
I have presented a list of non-muslims murdered by Muslim jihadists in Thailand. Primarily Buddhist teachers and ordinary folks. Children. 5 year old little girls.
Look at the numbers in just three months in such a small country. Perhaps you could do a little google search on it and discover the truth for yourself. Listen to what the Thai jihadists say for themselves. Read the detailed accounts of the murders and why the jihadists say they murdered this person or that little girl on her way home from school.
But you don’t want to recognise world-wide Jihad as being religiously motivated in fulfillment of the Koran. Nothing I can do about that.
June 7, 2007 at 3:54 am
I sleepy too….
June 7, 2007 at 3:54 am
well said Chase, how can we forget his ‘crusade’.
June 7, 2007 at 4:03 am
oohh thats another one Chase,the israelis otherwise known as jews/zionists whose objective is to live on land ‘God’ gave/promised them. smirk smirk no religious undertones there nuh.thats 2 lists for bfp to check when they have the time.
i dont how i gine get up to see my woman perform tomorrow oops i mean w.indies.
June 7, 2007 at 5:41 am
the world of international politics is so complex with religion, economics, politics, nationalism, greed etc all intertwined. but obviously christian evangelicals have a burning desire to always cry down islam and so their simplistic rantings are always about evil muslims bent on world domination!
i dont see how individual muslims in one part of the world can be held accountable for the behaviour of some fanatic half a world away.
tell me bfp, will you unequivocally condemn the rantings of evangelical christian bigots like jerry falwell, billy graham and a host of others?
or will you try and justify them because you yourself have an evangelical christian agenda? i guess you will preach to us about islam or call us morons or tell us to go and get our own blog on wordpress!
June 7, 2007 at 10:21 am
GOD BLESS THE USA AND GREAT BRITAIN! Without them many of you, so keen to criticise them now, would be scratching your as*es wondering where your next meal would be coming from. I don’t recall Sadam or any muslim ever doing anything for Bim. In fact, judging from the way he treated his neighbours, they would only be interested in ENSLAVING us. I’m not going to pretend that those two countries are perfect but they’re certainly, a million times better than we’d experience under any muslim, regime. Let’s see how many of you are prepared to go and live in a muslim state, that’s if they would n’t bar you on the grounds of your race, in the first place.
As North Star stated, many of you are living in a dream-world, state of mind!
As for the person who dared to mention Billy Graham in the same breath as Sadam Hussein and the murderous, muslims – you deserve a typical, muslim treatment – your head chopping-off!
June 7, 2007 at 11:36 am
Will Bimbro be banned for making threats threats to another poster?We will wait and see….others have been.
Quick to anger again……
BFP:Are you saying that Bush bombs and kills to fulfill Christian religious beliefs?
Chase: Hell yes!! He is a Christian…..they are Muslims..period!
BFP:Are you saying that murder is not only condoned but ordered in the Christian faith and that as a good Christian Bush is fulfilling scripture and commands from his god?
Chase:Hell yes!! ….to the best of his misguided ability.
BIMBRO: It is tiring to hear that silly refrain…..go live in a muslim country….According to you ,I already do remember?
It is only obvious that if you came up with one culture embedded in your life ,it will always be difficult to adjust.If you were born in a muslim country,you would be living by their customs just as comfortable as you are living now.
North Star said we are living in a dream world….but Chase says..The world is a cycle,just look and see what is coming around again.
June 7, 2007 at 3:14 pm
All of this is so sad, and so revealing on our want of ability to see the forest for the trees and the smoke.
For those who automatically assume that this “must be” a made-up accusation for US propaganda reasons, look back and see that we are looking at a plot that tracks back 10+ years, and that the principal means of information for the police was a duly wired informant, as the BBC report will repeatedly confirm. Of course it can all be made up, but is there good reason to infer to that? [What is the evidence of such fraud relevant to this case, other than prejudice and hostility? BTW, just in case: I take the view that there are reasons to think there may have been evidence tampering on the OJ case, e.g the "appearing" sock in the bedroom . . .]
Seems, on the reports, the initial recon was done and one of the implicated was on his way to a jurisdiction where monitoring by police agencies was impossible. So they wrapped it up without being able to get a nibble from the fish they were really after: el Shukrijumah. [Who is a Guyanese, Indian ethnic Muslim reportedly involved in major terrorist plots in our hemisphere and is held to be closely tied to al Qaeda, with a US$ 5 mn reward on his head.]
Regardless of how this particular case pans out when all the evidence is in, and on how we may think the Americans hypocrites [etc], we need to look very seriously at the global problem of Militant Islamism.
That is on the evidence not just an American [-provoked] problem, but one that is facing our region too.
Doubt me? Just think back to Red House, Trinidad, a certain fateful Friday afternoon, in 1990.
Then do some historical research over the past 1,400 years. Militant Islamism — not at all the same as “all [or even most] muslims” — is a problem.
Then, THINK, don’t just predictably react.
Ah Gawn . . .
GEM of TKI
June 7, 2007 at 4:37 pm
Chase, you’re so silly. Did I threaten to do so myself, or incite anybody else to do so? You are too, silly for a grown man. I stated that that was the punishment he deserved. I did n’t ask anybody to do it and DON’T ask anybody to. I am a law-abiding, democrat, UNLIKE YOUR MUSLIM FRIENDS, and should never condone anybody being punished unless as a result of a trial before a lawfully and properly, constitued court of law. Chase, you have destroyed a lot of your own credibility in my eyes, as well as, perhaps, in the eyes of others, for making such a silly, accusation!
Chase, I had no idea where you live until you suggested Barbados, by implication, just now. Loss of further, credibility, I’m afraid.
I see that the idiotic, Trini hiding for days from the police after running his mouth so freely and threatening this and that to the US, has now come out of hiding and submitted himself to the authorities. My hope is that he and the rest of them will end-up in Guantanemo. Might teach them to be more grateful of what we have, with Uncle Sam!
June 7, 2007 at 5:13 pm
And exactly where are you from Bim-bro?
If anyone else was to say what you said it would be a bad thing….like I always say ..insults are taken,so you have a very hard time trying to insult me .
Bimbro:
As for the person who dared to mention Billy Graham in the same breath as Saddam Hussein and the murderous, Muslims – you deserve a typical, Muslim treatment – your head chopping-off!
If a person came up to you and say these exact words,wouldn’t any one feel threatened?And you have the gall to call someone silly?
Maybe if I was one who swallowed everything that comes from CNN,FOX etc.then maybe I would have your respect…thing is I am a free thinking individual ,not the proverbial sheep that you would like us to be.
If being a Barbadian discredits me..well too bad.I cant be anything else than bajan ,no matter how long I may live in another country……..at least I am no Uncle Tom ,neither a sell out.
I do not agree with Militant Muslims violent and murderous ways of making their points but neither do I accept that others are not to blame for the situation we find ourselves in right now.
Another point to add to your comment:
If the Trini was such a bad ass terrorist as you would like us to believe,why surrender?Why not go down as a martyr and enjoy his virgins?Isnt this the way they are trained?
Thing is ,this guy looks like the regular city vagrant more than a militant.
The world is a cycle.
June 7, 2007 at 5:21 pm
For lengthy times we have waited for an indication of what will be done by the Muslim community, not about those who are non-extremist as written above, but those who ARE extremism inclined.
The Foundation for Islamic Development in Barbados put on lectures in Barbados at Clement Payne and at Grande Salle, encouraging hopeful converts. The first lecture was a Christian who converted to Islam. FID and the local Muslim community leaders are actively pursuing converts.
It was reported as hearsay (on Freepress) that Salafi Manhaj is resident at Islamic Teaching Centre, Harts Gap, and that it is the ‘converts’ who are the problem, i.e. a group of ‘Johnnie come lately’ Muslims in Barbados who are not born into the ‘real’ community.
Since Bajan Muslim and the local community refuse to acknowledge a responsibility to stop extremism from growing, today, after waiting sufficient time, one regrets in pointing a finger at the Muslim community saying to stop solicitation, whereby the extremists originate.
Back mid eighties the Saudis began outreach, and it continues. Sunnis from Saudi Arabia are outreaching all over the world, and out of Sunni are offshoots Al Qaeda, Salafi, Wahaabi and others. Yes, one agrees that almost all Sunnis, as all persons are of all persuasions, are peaceful. One need not quote the 5-10 percentage of possible extremism, as in previous threads, but the act of solicitation and spreading the mission, extremism is recognised as born in Bim, just like elsewhere, from the so-called innocent Muslim community outreach. This comes with a real responsibility.
It is time to recognise that the Muslim community can no longer dissociate from its responsibility, as it continues to try to do, while spreading a message leading to extremism in some of its quarters. Let the local Muslim community either take responsibility seriously to eliminate this or face scrutiny.
June 7, 2007 at 6:05 pm
How is it that in all other areas of the press, these men were said to be muslim ,but here they are
adventist
June 7, 2007 at 6:09 pm
dear educationalists,
2nd para .If the fid persues converts,they do not do it with the help of the local community.the majority of the local do not affiliate with this group. have u ever seen anyone from the local comm.. going house to house trying to convert bajans,i dont think so.however if a person is interested/inclined then there will be dialogue/literature etc.
4th/5th para …not really true…my info is although no one can be prevented from praying at a mosque,this type of group[salafis] was prevented from conducting classes at the mosqe in kensington.so much so that most of them congregate you know where in ch.ch. the problem is when they were told that such teaching/doctrine is not welcomed, local muslim community is labelled racist as most of them are indian descent.
last para…how will the local community eradicate this ‘problem’ when each person is entitled to his own opinion /persuasion.
June 7, 2007 at 6:40 pm
Chase, exactly, where I’m from is n’t of much consequence except to say that I do have some experience of living in Bim. However, I’m pretty sure that I stated earlier, that I’m resident in the UK.
Chase, if you can’t see a difference between meeting somebody in the street and making the comment to them which I did, and doing so on the internet where nobody knows anybody, nor where precisely, they are, then I’m sorry for you. Sadly, I’m getting more disappointed by you, by each contribution that you post.
I’ve no serious desire to insult you Chase, I’m just a little disappointed by some of the things which you’ve said. If I seriously, wanted to insult you Chase, I’d be ‘efing and blinding’ as we say in the UK. i.e. swearing quite badly! I in na angel!
Cool, bro, but I think you’ll understand that I’ve got no time for muslims of whatever shade, based on the geo-political profile of them combined with my personal, experience of them.
My dear, fellow, who said anything about being a Barbadian discrediting you? I’m a Barbadian, myself and I’m reasonably, happy to be one. There’re many worse things which one could have been.
Why did n’t the Trini surrender? Simple, ’cause he’s an effing coward like most of them. Like most people, I’d like to be allowed a few minutes alone wid he!
Educationalists, I can’t believe that Bim is allowing muslims into our country spreading their filth. In the long run, Bim will be doomed. They’re not content with Trinidad they want to send Bim down the sewer, the same way, too. You people must be joking.
CHRISTIANITY, FOREVER!
June 7, 2007 at 6:49 pm
Glory-B: Just tongue-in-cheek humour. Everyone knows they weren’t Adventists, just Muslims as usual.
June 7, 2007 at 7:08 pm
In Bimbros (I would have prefered Bimbo,but same thing )posting on June 7th at 10.21am,he asked God to bless America and Great Britian ,for as he stated, without them many of us would be starving,not knowing where our next meal would be coming from. POOR FELLA,you need to be educated, the poorest person in barbados could share what little he has with several poor,destitute persons in the U>S>A..America cannot ,or rather would noteven feed her own ,so how can she feed others. There are more hungry /homeless people in U.S.A than the whole population in Barbados so what are you telling me? As for Great Britian, Why do you think she fight so vigerously to hold on to many of these “Small” islands ? It was to make sure that she had a constant supply of “Free goods and labor, so as to build up her economy, when this was completed, and she saw it fit she “Gave them their independance ; She dont as you say feed us, she owes us “GRATURITY” And by the way ,thank you For opening some of our eyes as to the importanse of teeding ourselves
June 7, 2007 at 7:17 pm
My guess is that if we lived in Muslim state, most of us would have been stoned to death by now! In fact, here’s the puzzle: who stones the last person to death?
June 7, 2007 at 7:28 pm
Either stoned to death or your head chopped off with a sword and the grisly details shown on Al Jazeera.
June 7, 2007 at 7:37 pm
Bimbro:
Chase, if you can’t see a difference between meeting somebody in the street and making the comment to them which I did, and doing so on the internet where nobody knows anybody.
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Please explain to me the difference, as I am too silly.Are you trying to say to me that because you did it under the guise of anonymity,all is well?Isn’t the fact that it was in your heart to say it bad enough?
Bimbro:
If I seriously, wanted to insult you Chase, I’d be ‘efing and blinding’ as we say in the UK. i.e. swearing quite badly! I in na angel
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Neither am I an angel…in fact I am a Bajan ,no one can do it like we can…as I think you know
Bimbro:
but I think you’ll understand that I’ve got no time for Muslims of whatever shade, based on the geo-political profile of them combined with my personal, experience of them.
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Thanks for the confession,now we see you for the true person you are.You have a personal problem which discredits you from making balanced comments.I have often wondered about the venom in your post but now we all see why.With your bias ,you obviously will have a hard time contributing to the issue in any positive way.
I too am disappointed in you…at least you were honest to admit it in the end.
June 7, 2007 at 8:33 pm
Islam is de second largest religion in the world. It has like 1.5 billion followers. Its not going anywhere (have you ever tried to get rid of 1.5 billion people?) So everybody better learn to get along….. If not this gon be another dismal century….
June 7, 2007 at 11:17 pm
how come nobody replies to my comments.am i talking the truth or am i talking junk?either way please let me know your opinion.
June 8, 2007 at 3:28 am
Bimbro:
but I think you’ll understand that I’ve got no time for Muslims of whatever shade, based on the geo-political profile of them combined with my personal, experience of them.
June 8, 2007 at 4:07 am
Chase, Bimbro busted himself as a bigot right at the top of this thread (see my comment calling him out on it).
On a lighter note:
As someone who so clearly loves England (and all credit to you for that), perhaps you ought to take a little more trouble in mastering the basic rules of English punctuation (I’m thinking specifically of your often inept use of commas).
While in many ways you’re quite an interesting writer, your shaky grasp of comma-usage lets you down and reveals that your’re not particularly well educated.
A simple grammar primer should sort you out, though.
Hope you find this little tip helpful.
June 8, 2007 at 7:19 am
Chase said;
Thanks for the confession,now we see you for the true person you are.You have a personal problem which discredits you from making balanced comments.I have often wondered about the venom in your post but now we all see why.With your bias ,you obviously will have a hard time contributing to the issue in any positive way.
I too am disappointed in you…at least you were honest to admit it in the end.
Chase, again you surprise me. My bias against those people has been obvious from the start. I have never made any attempt to conceal it.
Saying that, because a person is biased, they can’t have a positive view is silly. If after listening to your points of view, I changed my opinion to being biased in the opposite direction, would that also, mean that I could n’t ‘make a positve contribution’ as you stated. The whole point of discussion is to arrive at a final ‘bias’, (opinion) otherwise one might as well not bother, in the first place.
Chase, on the subject of the punishment which I suggested for anyone daring to mention Billy Graham in the same sentence as Osama – I think you’re being a bit, too sensitive. You need to relax a little more. That’s the nature of these forums.
I’m glad for the debate, anyway and hope that I’ve learnt something and hopefully, that you have, too, good or ill.
Glory-B, thanks for the post. I find it interesting even though I may not really, agree with you. I hope that after such criticism that you’re not now a resident of the US, or it should seem extremely, ungrateful of you to say such things. However, even if you are not a US resident, many Barbadians are, and I think that most of them are probably, much more grateful than you for the privelege or they would n’t have fought so hard to become US citizens, or made their homes and lives, there.
Peltdown Man
June 7th, 2007 at 7:17 pm
My guess is that if we lived in Muslim state, most of us would have been stoned to death by now!
Well, said, Peltdown Man. Remind our poor, mis-guided Bajan brothers and sisters here what the reality of life in a muslim state would be like for black people. They seem to want to live in dreamland. Worry, too, about the number of them, already, in Bim. I would, if I were you!
Thistle
June 7th, 2007 at 7:28 pm
Either stoned to death or your head chopped off with a sword and the grisly details shown on Al Jazeera.
Again, well said, Thistle. I watch Al Jazeera reasonably, frequently and I’m convinced that it is just a muslim-mouthpiece. They try to give the impression of not being biased and being an impartial and normally, respectable news station but I still get the impression that what they’re really, about is pushing the muslim agenda. I think they hope that we’ll be too, dumb to see but, they’re mistaken there.
J. Payne
June 7th, 2007 at 8:33 pm
Islam is de second largest religion in the world. It has like 1.5 billion followers. Its not going anywhere (have you ever tried to get rid of 1.5 billion people?) So everybody better learn to get along….. If not this gon be another dismal century….
Payne, I so sympathise with you but, come on bro, do you think those peope want to get along with anybody? Their sole aim is to take over. You must be able to see that by now, or you don’t know them as well, as you think you do. It’s absolutely, impossible to reason with those people which is why it’s pointless trying and simply, a waste of effort. Don’t worry though. We, (Britain), and the US, of whom so many of you are so, critical, will protect you. Blighty’s rolling-out is newest right-hook this morning, so you and the rest of you can sleep a bit more easily, in your beds in Bim and Brooklyn, tonight. Just be a little more, grateful. We’ve got many more punches like those in the background, and, I can assure you, that the US, has, too not to mention our allies in Europe. Do you have any?
GOD BLESS THE US AND GREAT BRITAIN! JUST BE A LITTLE MORE GRATEFUL! TREMBLE……..
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-13591481,00.html
Sorry, I can’t help you Cheescutter. I found that last piece of yours, difficult to comprehend. I have n’t lived in Bim for a long time – maybe that’s why.
Samizdat, I think the significance of the very, important subject which we’re discussing here, is far more important than my use of commas. I’m sorry, if I’m not as ‘well educated’ as you, Sir but I’ve more, important things to say than you.
June 8, 2007 at 7:33 am
Also,
’stay way from Nelson Street’, and the wrong, women. Just to show how much I care. Poor bugger.
http://www.nationnews.com/life/317264887379286.php
June 8, 2007 at 8:10 am
cheesecutter
You asked for a response to your posting and since you feel or rather gave the impression, that you are being ignored I will respond. I have not been involved in the discussion, because most of what I would say has been said by others, therefore I would not be bringing something new to the discussion.
You stated…”how will the local community eradicate this “problem,” when each person is entitled to his own opinion/persuasion”
I believe each person is entitled to his opinion, hence this blog, with regard to persuasion I believe that is also allowed in Barbados without hinderance.
The discussion centres around the impact ones persuasion has on the society in which it is practiced. Some people say certain religions are to the detriment of society, apart from those societies in which they are the majority religion, and even then there appears to be unrest.
To me the litmus test is this, there are many religions in the world and many of those religions are the majority religion in certain countries.
If one can identify two countries in the world where the Muslim religion is in the majority and there is no civil unrest, let me know of them. I am simply asking a question.
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On a separate issue, it is rather sad when someone is critical of a fellow blogger and tries to put them down, not by weight of argument but by reference to writing style, grammar, punctuation or the lack of it.
We are discussing issues that we might or might not feel strongly about, what is important is the weight of understood argument, no more or less than that .
This is not a school.
It was Petrach Francesco 1304-1374 who said
” bare truth can often conquer ornate eloquence” I will leave it at that.
June 8, 2007 at 8:50 am
Bimbro: Whilst I am happy to hear about Britain’s newest submarine (Can’t beat British ingenuity!), I don’t see how that will deal with the overwhelming internal problems Britain, U.S.A. and Canada are facing with their ever-growing Muslim populations. The only political party in Britain with the guts to deal with that problem is the BNP, and they are too extreme because their prejudice extends to Jews and Blacks as well. That twerp, Cameron of the Conservative party is useless, so there’s no hope for the U.K. if he takes over the reins of government. It’s a no-win situation as I see it.
June 9, 2007 at 2:57 am
Cheesecutter makes some reasonable points and shows (in my humble opinion) wisdom as a free thinking person.
Many of us take the easy road out and follow religion blindly, without question, without the personal wisdom which comes from our spirit.
The intolerance of both the followers of Islam and Christianity is the problem.
One Bajan contributors condemnation of Muslims exhibits a primitive spiritual outlook. We should perhaps remember that the sentiments expressed about Muslims in Britain are very similar to those expressed by the National Front and British Nationalist Party regarding young Caribbean men and women. Many British people saw/see Caribbean people, Africans and Asians as invaders. We took their jobs, moved into their neighbourhoods, caused increased crime and depleted their social services.
Now many Caribbean immigrants think they are British, they now lament the new immigrants from Eastern Europe and North Africa. Some now fear the Muslims and so the bitter cycle continues; Until we realise that the driving forces are fear and love.
Which do you choose? Which do you prefer.
Neither Christian nor Muslim can convert anyone to their faith against their will.
We do not need fear.
Peace
June 9, 2007 at 10:53 am
Thanks for the reply and support ‘Yardbroom’. It’s nice to know that somebody still has some sense.
I’ve come across these characters before who, because they’ve had a better education than a person, think that their opinion is more important than somebody else’s. I’ve got no time for them and know what I would do with them, if I could. Can’t be bothered with them man. By their reasoning, I guess three-quarters of the Bim population would n’t be worth listening to! Sheer vermin!
Yardbroom said;
If one can identify two countries in the world where the Muslim religion is in the majority and there is no civil unrest, let me know of them. I am simply asking a question.
Good question, ‘Yard’. I’d be interested to know the answer too, indeed, even where they’re a minority, they’re trouble, as we know!
Thistle, I understand what you’re saying. ‘Astute’ won’t help us deal with the internal, muslim problems but it will help us deal with the external, muslim and other problems.
Completely, agree with you about Cameron and even Blair. When I think of ‘baby-face’ Cameron and Mr ‘What is important/It is important, Blair’, all I can do is laugh. Union-crushing Thatcher, followed but one, by ‘Africa-loving Blair’ has been to the all round, detriment of West Indians over here. Followed now by a ‘dead-pan’ Brown. Oh, Lor, it’s certainly, looking like it’s going to be an interesting time in British politics now, does n’t it – I DON’T THINK! I may have to opt for anti-depressants, to cope with the next 5 to 10 years. Anyhow, as least that prat Putin, will soon also, be gone which MIGHT provide an opportuntity, for some slight relief. Have to say, MIGHT, because we don’t know who he’ll be succeeded by, yet. Could be another Russian, Pr*ck! Anyhow, that’s another matter which I won’t go into now.
Maat, said; Some now fear the Muslims and so the bitter cycle continues; Until we realise that the driving forces are fear and love.
Sorry, Maat, I can only regard this as ’so much twaddle’! Up to yesterday I watched a programme on the beginnings of Islam. It has been steeped in bloodshed from the word, ‘go’!
To me, Islam in no more than an excuse for murderous bastards to spill the blood, of innocent people! If that’s what you’re interested in doing, then Islam is your religion!
I’m disappointed that nobody seems to be interested in the unfortunate, experience of our Bajan bro. in Nelson St. Maybe, Bajan men don’t matter to you, anymore.
June 9, 2007 at 11:46 am
Bimbro: With all the politically correct nonsense spouted from the mouths of the “authorities” in the U.K., I’m surprised you all are still allowed to eat bangers and mash, or have a bacon, sausage and ham breakfast! (For fear of offending the Muslims). In fact, I’m surprised you’re even allowed to have pig farms! Maybe that’s to come.
June 9, 2007 at 11:57 am
This guy Bimbro just dont give up!!
Some Muslim must have really lit a fire under your ass!
‘To me, Islam in no more than an excuse for murderous bastards to spill the blood, of innocent people’!
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Funny enough,that is what I thought of the Crusades (and they had the blessing of the church)
June 9, 2007 at 12:03 pm
Maat:
‘Until we realise that the driving forces are fear and love’.
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To use your words Maat,some (or most) people take the easy road and choose fear.
It it much easier to control and manipulate people once you have instilled fear in them.
June 9, 2007 at 7:23 pm
Why do professional, university-educated women and Nobel prize winners cover their faces, and continue to suffer with the lack of employment in Iran? Out of love for their husbands?
During the late 1990s and the first 5 years 2000-2005, during the campaign of public education by the Muslim community in Barbados, there were columns in the paper espousing the benefits if Islam. Daily and weekly letters to the editor from the leaders of the peaceful Muslim community were entertained, and widely read in both papers. These educationalaists paved the way for conversion campaigns and worked hard at promoting Islam in Bim. As time has gone on 3 mosques and Islamic parochial schools have been established in Barbados. We do not know the syllabus that is taught, whether the Saudi Sunni ways are imparted by the educationalists, or not, though it has been asked.
Now that the education programs and the conversion programs have born fruit the secretary “disavows any knowledge” of what is going on. However, it is not like that. Educationalists are responsible for the growth, the development and take responsibility for the new radicalism, here in Bim, and abroad.
Educationalists teach the establishment of the Caliphate, world domination by Islam, in parochial schools. The fundamental interpretations of Islam lead to fundamentalism.
Fundamentalism leads to a percentage of radicalism. That is why Islamic scholars in the west are calling for a change in Islam itself. But they are weak, and the trend of present fundamentalism is strong. It may not happen.
There is a type of bird that lays its egg in the nest of another bird. The innocent mother incubates it. The hatchling of the one egg grows quicker, and pushes the other hatchlings out being successful. The innocuous egg laid where it is laid by the free flying mother is designed to do what it is born to do.
June 9, 2007 at 9:43 pm
Sir Ronald Sanders summed this soo called “plot” up rather well.
Article: Commentary: Caribbean business may suffer from “plot” stupidity
Date: Published on Saturday, June 9, 2007
Source: http://www.CaribbeanNetNews.com – Caribbean Net News of the Cayman Islands
Link: http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-1975–6-6–.html
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“Two things are perfectly clear: First, these guys are not wild-eyed, young bombers motivated by the prospect of dying for a cause. They are all close to their sixties. Second, they were in the words of the Trinidad parlance “scrunting”. In other words, they had little money and were incapable of financing an operation such as the one allegedly contemplated for JFK Airport in New York.
It stands to reason that they would have had to be the pawns of a bigger, well-resourced group such as al Qaeda. But, the US experts say they were not. And, attempts to tie them to the one so-called Muslim group in the Caribbean with a link to terror, the Jamaat al Muslimeen, has so far lacked credibility. Certainly the leader of this controversial group has denied any connection to them.
They have done a severe disservice to Guyana, Trinidad and the wider Caribbean. But, more especially, they have hurt Muslim businessmen who seek to do business in the US and other places. Those persons will be checked and double checked and may even be denied visitor’s visas to the US, Canada, the UK and elsewhere because they are Muslim and from Guyana and Trinidad.
And, there is no pretending that there is not profiling of this kind by immigration and security authorities. There is. Now, it will get worse.
Beyond the effect on all Guyanese and Trinidadian travellers but Muslim businessmen especially, there is also the effect that this much publicised “plot to blow up JFK Airport by a terrorist group” will have on Caribbean tourism.
The headlines in newspapers and the pictures on worldwide television by media that enjoyed a feeding frenzy certainly put a beating on Caribbean tourism. Unfortunately, there will be tourists who will think twice now about holidaying in the Caribbean.” [ . . . ]
June 10, 2007 at 6:14 am
Thistle
June 9th, 2007 at 11:46 am
Bimbro: With all the politically correct nonsense spouted from the mouths of the “authorities” in the U.K., I’m surprised you all are still allowed to eat bangers and mash, or have a bacon, sausage and ham breakfast! (For fear of offending the Muslims). In fact, I’m surprised you’re even allowed to have pig farms! Maybe that’s to come.
Thistle, you’re so right. Life in the UK is so much bollocks, under always-politically-correct Blair. It would n’t be an overstatement to say that, at times, he makes me feel, quite ill. I feel as though, ‘thank god that he’s going’ but his replacment, Brown, does n’t fill me with any excitement, either. Thus, I feel the possible requirement for tranquillisers! Please don’t mention Cameron. He makes me feel even worse. In my opinion, we’re really ’screwed’ in this country by the current batch of MPs. They just, ‘do my head in’. Young, have little experience of anything outside of politics and about as interesting as a pig’s backside. I just hope that your people in Bim are somewhat more, inspirational. Mine make me feel like emigrating but, sadly, I can’t at the moment, for various reasons. Anyway, at least we’ve got ‘Astute’ and a number more on the way, so I can at least compliment him, on that.
In respect of the political-correctness; Duh in gun stop me having my bacon an eggs pun a Sunday morning, doah.
Don’t worry, the US and us will protect you, if anything goes wrong.
Chase, the only thing wrong with the Crusades is that they did n’t succeed, more completely. If they had then perhaps we would n’t be facing the problems we do today and will in the future.
‘Educationalists’, I can’t believe it. I was n’t there at the time but can’t believe that Barbadians have been allowing muslims to plant the seeds of your own destruction in Bim over the past several years and to be nurturing them, too.
My dear, fellow, in the long run, we will all be doomed. They’ve made the same fatal, mistake here, too. It will lead to our anhilation, in the end!
Unbelieveably, the US as well as Europe, has made the same mistake of inviting so many of them in – in fact any of them in at all because their rate of breeding is phenomenal. My dear fellow, we’re all doomed. They laid their eggs in our nests a long time ago, and now it’s only a matter of time before the end of us.
The best thing to do is to ban them and their religion and then to expel them from our country!
June 10, 2007 at 10:37 am
Just as Christianity has moved away from the fundamentalist and radicalist punishment, and domineering systems, and political domination as in non-secular countries like Iran, so could Islam.
We should live with love for fellow Muslims, when the change is truly implemented. That is why in this day we can echo the same calls made in other countries and point out the same truths.
The present teaching of fundamentalist interpretations to the Islamic youth (in Barbados too) will lead to future problems, and if these interpretations continue in parochial Islamic schools (in Barbados too), same as in ones in other countries, change will not occur. Change the ‘educationalists’ and it removes the danger of fundamentalism in the next generations.
It is the same here as it is in the USA, UK, others. Pointing these things out does not affect tourism- it is designed to try to help fix something- to enhance tourism.
June 10, 2007 at 11:34 am
Sometimes I have to wonder if one of the staff at BFP was horned by a Muslim? Anyways, isn’t it odd that this event happened when the public was at a lull on such issues?
Did anyone watch Fahrenheit 911 or Bowling For Columbine? I am sure Cheney-Halliburton orchestrated something through his puppet Bush Jr with Bush Sr’s blessing!
Isn’t this a good way to ensure Americans stay GOP even without Dubya The Pretender? It’s his last fake term and he has to find some way to pass the baton!
June 10, 2007 at 11:50 am
Brian Duffy: “Anyways, isn’t it odd that this event happened when the public was at a lull on such issues?”
Excuse me? A LULL? With radical Muslims all over the world, there is NEVER a lull. Are you a Barbadian? Do you live in Barbados? I think not. Well, Mister, we Bajans are very concerned about the rising Muslim radicalism and we don’t want it here. You can do what you like with Bush and his cronies, I don’t care. But actions speak louder than words and you appear to be doing the ostrich trick. Or are you one of the radical Muslims?
June 10, 2007 at 12:11 pm
Thistle… H’mmm, with a nick like that you could be of proud Scotch descent, but I have news for you – Scots loved to mingle with the natives and darkies, bosie! So that racial BS don’t cut it here!
So your Bill O’Reilly jingoistic diatribes fly over my head – I am a Bajan, grew up with Mohammed Sa’id’s brother at Kolij, have Dr Nagdy as my physician and I shop at both of Ishmael Adam’s branches. I have been invited as a nasrany (infidel/unbeliever) to not only a mosque on Hart’s Gap but attend a Naw-Ruz feasting, at no time was I shown any airport blueprints nor the latest in C4 plastique!
The worst that happened was to hear one night about how villainous are Israelis, and that did not bother me as I view them as Neo-Nazis (slaves who mimic their conqueror) against poor Palestine!
Has anyone tried to see what the REAL origins of these so-called Caribbean radicals?
Has everyone forgotten how Osame Bin Laden’s brother was a MAJOR business partner with Bush Jr? CNN hushed it up – if you think CNN does not censor then you have not visited Barbados Underground recently!
Have you ever visited the Flash website which categorically proves the 9/11 Pentagon attack was a Tomahawk missile from the good ole US of A?
Grow up Thistle, or do us all a favour & stand in front of a strong wind – a Muslim mess you up too? Instead of getting vex at their business practices, mimic them so as to best them at their own skill! Chupse….
June 10, 2007 at 12:36 pm
Brian Duffy huh? ‘Fraid you gave yourself away in some of your sentences. Oh, yeah. Now that I know who you are, I won’t waste time with you – i.e. after this, I won’t be answering you again. Just two things I need to correct: If I were descended from “Scotch” I would be whisky. The correct word pertaining to a descendant of Scotland is “Scottish”. As to the spelling of “kolij”??? Oh, yeah, you really gave yourself away there. What makes you think I am a fan of Bill O’Reilly? Have I ever said so? Think before you write again, hear? The Duffy bit doesn’t fool me.
June 10, 2007 at 12:57 pm
Brian Duffy:
What’s the address of the Pentagon website you referred to?
June 10, 2007 at 12:59 pm
Wow, so much for the term Free Press, eh? But thanks for the tip on Scottish history, Bill! What erudite debating skills
June 10, 2007 at 1:04 pm
I Googled it -
try: loosechangeguide dot com/ lcg2 dot html
OR
911research dot wtc7 dot net/ reviews/ loose_change/ pentagon dot html
June 10, 2007 at 1:15 pm
Patrick Porter: If you’re reading these blogs, though not contributing (don’t blame you), take warning – the Bournvita is on the attack again, but using different ingredients!! (Don’t laugh!). Take care.
June 10, 2007 at 1:23 pm
I truly resent the implication there – so please leave me out of this, for one thing I know about the difference between Scottish and Scotch!
Duffy is right – so much for a Free Press, if it is free then everyone would use their names and we can insult each other openly, it isn’t my fault you don’t agree with the man
June 10, 2007 at 4:09 pm
Chase, said; Some Muslim must have really lit a fire under your ass!
Chase, you’re quite right. I made the mistake of assuming they were normal, decent human beings. Probably, the advice which you and others would have offered me, had I asked. A big, mistake! You sound, vainglorious, as if it could n’t happen to you. I hope so, for your sake.
June 10, 2007 at 5:46 pm
Airbourne:
Checked out those sites, but Brian Duffy says he’s got a site which proves the Pentagon was hit by a Tomohawk.
I don’t believe a 757 could have hit The Pentagon and disappeared, but have never seen the frames not released by DoD showing which type of missile was used.
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Comment by BFP Cliverton
Bull*****.
If you want to discuss some theory that hundreds of Americans conspired to attack and murder Americans on 9/11 and are now concealing this… go someplace else.
Many other sites are happy to take that as a topic along with little green men from Mars etc. Go there.
End of story.
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Additional comment by Auntie Moses…
Cliverton, you been told ’bout your bad words too. Betta watchout or Auntie Moses gonna wup you good ‘an that is de promise. Hear now!
June 10, 2007 at 9:51 pm
Brian Duffy: Would that be Sa’id from Foundation from Islamic Development (FID)?
June 10, 2007 at 9:52 pm
“for”
June 10, 2007 at 10:43 pm
Hey Cliverton:
You think your education is complete now you’re back from the good old USA, it’s only just started!
You are in with a group,BFP, who believe the country is run by a corrupt elite.
I agree.
Where did they learn their tactics , or are they peculiarly Bajan?
If they have got one whole country sewn up, why do you believe they are unique?
Where were your favourite whipping boys, the muslim militants, before the six day war?
Waiting?
For what?
Have a sit down in shady corner, and just consider the events of the last 40 years, and then come back and tell me BS.
If you do you ain’t sat down long enough!
June 10, 2007 at 11:06 pm
So the six day war created the need for Islamic expansionism in Bim?
June 10, 2007 at 11:19 pm
I don’t know.
But it certainly expanded Israeli territory into previously Muslim lands.
June 10, 2007 at 11:25 pm
And Bim will be Muslim land?
June 10, 2007 at 11:45 pm
The events of the 60s politicised the rulers of muslim states.
Oil was their only counter against American backed Israel.
Those with enough oil treated America on an equal footing, as they knew the precarious state of US reserves.
Those betrayed by USA by opting for Eurodollars were invaded, pillaged and hanged, in the name of necessary regime change, as a second best reason as holders of Weapons of Mass Destruction.
I am no muslim apologist, I abhor terrorism, but let us retain perspective.
June 11, 2007 at 12:21 am
Yes, let’s indeed retain perspective, and not debate how Muslims could have existed 3000+ years ago in Judea and Samaria.
Back into perspective: Why we are educating in parochial schools towards world total domination of Islam? Why do we have rules for one that differ from another? Why are women to be treated differently than men? Can these things be constitutionally forced? Are they good for our society in this day and age, or are they ancient fundamental interpretations?
Yes, perspective would be good. Let’s talk about Barbados.
June 11, 2007 at 4:07 am
BimBro:
Chase, you’re quite right. I made the mistake of assuming they were normal, decent human beings. Probably, the advice which you and others would have offered me, had I asked. A big, mistake! You sound, vainglorious, as if it could n’t happen to you. I hope so, for your sake.
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Wow….you never cease to amaze me at how you think.Because of some extremists,you degrade a whole people….by your logic I guess Whites are no good,Blacks are no good……are they any good people around according to your logic?
You want people to believe you love this country (which I doubt),yet all you do is cry down Muslims.I dont see them in the courts,hardly ever see them in prison,they are good business people….if you are dealing with the radicals and terrorists then do so but I think to degrade a whole people is very low ,even by your standards.
June 11, 2007 at 4:11 am
to YARDBROOM, re:june8th,8:10 am &
BIMBRO re:june9th,10:53am.
You asked for two muslim majority countries where is no civil unrest[i assume due to islamic militants/jihadis etc.].Well here’s 2 ,well like bfp here’s more than 2…………
Bangladesh
Bahrain
Brunei
Burkina Faso [civilwar,but no religious war]
Comoros
Gambia
Kuwait
Krygyzstan
Djibouti
Mali
Mauritiana
Maldives
Niger—not nigeria
Oman
Qatar–there was 1 incident bout 2yrs. ago,brit guy got killed,but as of today there is no evid. of a group,it was 1 person.
Senegal
Sierra Leon
Cote d’ivoire[ivory coast]
they r possibly more where muslims r significant of the pop. ,but less than majority….i’ll let bfp search that for u.
bfp ,by the way ,i found that site [o.p.r.t{ words r jumbled }]that provided you with the list ,nothing but a hate site.i mean it mentioned a ‘maid being tortured by her saudi employers for being lazy’, c’mon what does dat have to do with militants/radical islam/jihad types etc.to besides ,the same saudis were jailed by they peers.But then muslims r perfect so anything they do wrong must be mentioned in the news.
June 11, 2007 at 4:23 am
the people behind bfp wont come out and say it but it is evident that the are pursuing a christian evangelical agenda. the hatred they spout about muslims, the right wing evangelical hate sites they always use as sources and the way they see everything in black and white- if u dont agree with them about islam they attack you and call you apologists, moron.
as for people like bimbro, thistle and educationalists, where is your proof that muslims in barbados teach hatred or are interested in “expansionism”?
bimbro is so bigoted he cant see the correlation between his rantings about stopping muslims from entering barbados and the bnp rantings about stopping black people and all non whites from coming to england! but then when jerry and billy and the evangelicans have brainwashed you what can you expect. add in jealousy of the success of asian businessmen all over the world, the fact that some of these same guys probably got horned by a muslim and you have bimbro/thistle/ educationalists and their irrational rage filled rantings.
June 11, 2007 at 4:29 am
Can’t anyone ever question 9/11 on this blog without being threatened with expulsion?
Come on BFP …isn’t that a little bit harsh?
We all are not sheep and do not believe everything said by the US.
June 11, 2007 at 4:30 am
those figures bfp quotes and the site is full of *&^&
all sorts of unsubstantiated claims, lies, allegations and myths. give me some real figures that have been produced by neutral observers, ngos, human rights organisations, un agencies etc and i will then have a discussion. quote lies from an extremely partisan hate filled site and expect someone to take you serious? stupz
June 11, 2007 at 4:34 am
chase,
to speak of 9/11 would mean a discussion about us foreign policy, international politics and economics and would demonstrate to any right thinking person that the world is not some black and white place where it is muslims versus the rest of the world. it would show that much of the islamic radicalism is linked to political situations around the world and the power politics that occur between nations. much of it has nothing to do with religion which is used as a connvenient tool.
however the evangelicals and right wingers need to keep on spouting this rhetoric about islam and keep the people in fear. if there is no bogeyman their churches and oil companies etc wont be as strong as they currently are.
June 11, 2007 at 7:11 am
Chase said; Wow….you never cease to amaze me at how you think.Because of some extremists,you degrade a whole people….by your logic I guess Whites are no good,Blacks are no good……are they any good people around according to your logic?
You want people to believe you love this country (which I doubt),yet all you do is cry down Muslims.I dont see them in the courts,hardly ever see them in prison,they are good business people….if you are dealing with the radicals and terrorists then do so but I think to degrade a whole people is very low ,even by your standards.
I can understand what you’re saying, Chase and shan’t attempt to persuade you, any further. Let’s just say that I’ve had a lot of personal experience of them not to mention the international, political knowledge of them which we all have gained.
Cheesecutter, thanks for the effort but I’m afraid, that where they’re concerned, my mind is made up. They’re abominable.
Right Wing, I’ve never actually heard the BNP say that. Have you attended one of their meetings then? Are you actually, familar with BNP policies or are your utterings merely, what you believe BNP policies to be? In my experience, in the UK, (land of FREE SPEECH?) they’re hardly given a chance to say what their policies are, so how you can be so knowledgeble of them is something of a mystery to me. It’s no doubt that they’d want to get rid of/deport some of us and stop more from coming in, but all! Anyway, if they wanted to stop more blacks, as well as asians from entering the UK, I could understand that. It’s not only the BNP who think that they’re too, many blacks and asians here already, many ordinary people do too, including many BLACK , people so, Sir, let’s not try to deceive your readers!
June 11, 2007 at 8:24 am
Cheesecutter
Thanks for your list, I am indebted, once again many thanks.
I have no agenda against Muslims our paths rarely cross, I may also add I have no agenda against/for any other religious group.
My only ambition in life is to live in peace with my neighbours, do good to my family and friends, help my neighbours when it is desirous, or I am requested to do so, and improve if I can the country of my birth.
It is not my intention, has never been, or will never be, to encourage anyone to follow a particular religion, either through deed or religious exposition, in essence others can do as they please.
My concerns are that people in undertaking lawful pursuits are being blown to pieces. ( I must ask by whom)
In overseas travel one is subjected to a level of security unknown in previous years. ( As a result of what )
I am told I and others are the enemy, why? Because we are not of a particular faith, therefore we are infidels.
In a little island like Barbados, with no foreign policy of world note, people are being criticised for no other reason than trying to live a peaceful life in our borders, as we have always done, despite the little hiccups here and there.
When I attended school, our only interest was to get a good education. Perhaps I have not been educated enough to understand, as I look around the world blood seems to be pouring from almost every land, I wonder who is causing it.
Rules and laws of countries which have lived in peace for centuries, must be changed to accommodate others who make even more demands.
My only crime is a desire to live in peace, I have no intention to fight far off wars either to dominate or inculcate others. If I do neither means I am ignorant and uneducated that may be so, I wish to continue in my peaceful ignorance.
I always ask myself when someone has something good to offer me, what good has it done to their lives, if the example they set by their actions and their way of life seems unappealing, I say no thanks. In essence they should be the embodiment of their faith, the naked hate and bile I often see and hear is unappealing.
I will now return to my ignorance and solitude, I hope I have not told any lies or accused others of what they have not done.
June 11, 2007 at 9:56 am
Chase said; I have no agenda against Muslims our paths rarely cross, I may also add I have no agenda against/for any other religious group.
Chase, you make me laugh. Will you wait until they come knocking at your dooor then before you get a view on them! And does that also, apply to the KKK, or have you had personal experience of them!
Chase; My concerns are that people in undertaking lawful pursuits are being blown to pieces. ( I must ask by whom)
How much more evidence do you need, Chase? Maybe when they start doing it in Bim?
Chase; I am told I and others are the enemy, why? Because we are not of a particular faith, therefore we are infidels.
If I were PM of Bim, I would lock-up anybody in Bim who referred to any Barbadian as an infidel and, if they were a foreigner, deport them afterwards.
Chase; When I attended school, our only interest was to get a good education. Perhaps I have not been educated enough to understand, as I look around the world blood seems to be pouring from almost every land, I wonder who is causing it.
Chase, IT IS OBVIOUS who is causing it. You only need to have the guts to admit it to yourself. Go on man, be a little more courageous.
Chase; I will now return to my ignorance and solitude, I hope I have not told any lies or accused others of what they have not done.
Chase, you can return to your peace and solitude but that’s not going to help your children and grand-children in years to come, to deal with the filth! They may even ask, “and what did you do to help to prevent this situation from arising”? You’re an intelligent man and I think will want to give them a sensible, answer. I don’t think that you’ll be satisfied to say, “well what could I do”? Of course, I could be wrong! ‘Look-out’ for your children, I intend to ‘look-out’ for mine! You should know that they’re too, young and still enjoying the distractions of foolishness, like the internet and i-pods to be too, aware of what’s really, going on and by the time they wake up it could well be, too late. That’s why we’ve got to plan ahead for them. Unless, of course, you simply don’t care what happens to them.
I care what happens to mine! Take an interest and do what you can to secure the future for your children and your people.
June 11, 2007 at 11:36 am
Pardon my ignorance Bimbro but in reading your post,it would seem as if you are quoting me.Since I have not said any of the above,could you write it in such a way as not to give one that impression.
June 11, 2007 at 11:40 am
The word Chase seems to be stuck in your head……could it be that I am getting through to you…….just a thought
June 11, 2007 at 11:41 am
uhh…..bimbro, yardbroom not chase said those words u were quoting . re; I am told I and others are the enemy, why? Because we are not of a particular faith, therefore we are infidels.
that word can apply to any religion,that is ,can you tell me what a muslim or a hindu or bhuddhist is considered by christians? they will be called infidels. why bcos they do not believe in the concept of the trinity.hence non believers.
June 11, 2007 at 11:41 am
I see a lot has happened while I was in the real world! Um, it seems that Mr Bourne found one of the sites about the tomahawk thingy, I think there\’s another where you can buy a DVD? As for me and Bourne the same? We used to clash at Kolij, so I doubt it… Bourne! You remember the cadets?
Ha Ha!
Anyhow if you want more missile stuff, do like the man and search it on Google. I gone for now, as this place starting to get like Zanz – if you agree, you\’re cool but any dissent and you get curse from your ancestors back!
June 11, 2007 at 12:17 pm
Came across some interesting info after reading some blogs yesterday. If you google Brian Duffy(ll) and pull up the website, scroll down to where it says “Find where Brian Duffy is credited alongside another name”. Put in the name Ian Bourne and you’ll be in for a big surprise.
June 11, 2007 at 1:28 pm
That associated search on IMDb? My appearing as a cameo in From Barbados With Love? Everyone knows that, what a big deal! This is boring now, all want to reveal yet none declare – deal with the mote in your own eye first.
June 11, 2007 at 1:39 pm
I have always felt in my interactions with people, either personally, or on the blogs, to extend them a certain amount of courtesy, not for any reason in particular, but simply because that is the person I am.
I will not engage in name calling, or denigration of individuals however much I disagree with their point of view. If others take that course of action towards me, so be it. I will not be sucked into that level of debate or discussion.
When one attains in life, a level of real responsibility and authority it is best to be fair, and always use balance in dealing with people, particularly when you are making decisions that have a great impact on their lives. If I desist from useing intemperate language, or jumping to conclusions, that is simply because of training. I always need evidence before I make a decision, and as near conclusive as the circumstances permit, I have exhausted all I have to say on this subject.
June 11, 2007 at 1:58 pm
H’mm:
A few comments:
1] Jaghdeo:
This AM, on BBC, the pres of Guyana noted that he had seen the relevant surveillance documents and that there plainly was evidence of a plot.
He did not comment on the implications of one of the apparently implicated being on his way to Iran via Venezuela: Hezbollah has a base in Venezuela, and of course Iran is replete with technical capacity to move from ideas and recon to horrible reality.
So, I think some rethinking on the credibility of the basic claim needs to be done by those who were quick to dismiss as an American propaganda stunt. (And, a revisit of how we form our opinions and attitudes, too . . .)
2] The Pentagon attacks on 9/11
I am a bit disappointed — again — with the level of some remarks above.
Perhaps we need to ask thre Tomahawk missile theorists to account for the whereabouts of Mrs Barbara Olsen after her cell phone call from the hijacked plane in the vicinity of DC, cut off. (For those who have forgotten, she was the wife of ther Solicitor General of the USA at the time, a Cabinet Officer of the USA; and, a media commentator.)
Accounting for the missing aircraft and other passengers would also help.
3] Educationalist and issues of Responsibility
This commetner is right to raise the point that those who propagate a system that predictably turns out a certan fraction of violent radicals have some duties to put in place correctives.
Failing fulfillment of those duties, we have a right to act in our common defence.
4] Issues over Israel and the 67 war . . . .
This is bound to come up, sooner or later. My own conclusion on this matter is that 90% of what most of us think we know on that subject is, unfortunately, simply not so.
I strongly suggest we all take time to look at the discussion by Oran here, to begin to get a more reasonable picture on 1967.
On the broader picture of Israel as the product of a legitimate and successful nationalist movement willing to live in peace and friendship with its neighbours [NB: a good test here is if you know what the names Weismann and Feisal Hussein mean, together with the year 1919 - adn what the agreement betweent hese men was . . .], one can do worse than to start with a 1970 speech by long time Israeli foreign minister Abba Eban here.
Much more exists, and we need to begin to think about the reasonable point of balance on the story.
Key excerpt:
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. . . What is at issue now is not the self-determination of the Arab people, which is lavishly assured. Because of their 14 states and their 4.5 million square miles, and their multiple sovereignty, the Arab states face Israel on the wrong side of the balance of equity. Israel is the only nation which stands or falls in history by the way in which this conflict is resolved, yet the basis of the Middle Eastern tension lies in this refusal to regard Israel as an organic part of the Middle East. We find ourselves being victims of a grotesque paradox and fantasy, which regard the Middle East as an area in which Israel’s existence is optional, or illegitimate, or inorganic, or external or alien. Israel inorganic, alien to the Middle East, indeed.
There are 127 members of the organized international community, but there is one state and one alone which speaks the same tongue, upholds the same faith, inhabits the same land as it did 3,000 years ago. There is no parallel in all the history of nationhood for the strength and the mystery of this continuity. So much for the Middle Eastern past. The Middle Eastern present is determined by an international structure which endows Israel for the past 22 years with a right of sovereign equality on the same level as that of any other state. There must be some axiom, there must be some starting point in any international discussion; and the existence of legitimate sovereignties is axiomatic. It is the starting point, it is not the destination, of any negotiating process.
This then is the posture with which Israel faces the world in the long and unending dialogue between the Jewish people and the rest of mankind. Israel’s existence as a sovereign state is for us, not something to be defended, or to be explained, or to be apologized for. It is something to be proclaimed as an inexorable part of historic reality, and those who plan the future without it are building their concepts on foundations of sand.
There are some governments which in a benevolent spirit, offer to secure the consent of the Arab states to the recognition of our right to exist. It is sometimes my duty to say that we do not ask any recognition of our right to exist, because our right to exist is independent of any recognition of it. An international community which can accommodate 127 sovereign states from Afghanistan to Zambia in alphabetical order, from Fiji to Albania in chronological order, with dozens of statehoods, not all of which have such a sharp identity of spiritual and cultural individualism as Israel: such a world community can accommodate a state of Israel within a few thousand square miles and give to the Jewish people, after its long, tormented martyrdom, the opportunity to deploy its energies in creativity and in peace . . .
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5] Clashing with Bourne at Kolij:
You too . . . !
Okay, nuff said for now, on a “borrows” PC
GEM of TKI
June 11, 2007 at 6:35 pm
Sorry Chase, for attributing things to you which you did n’t say. You know this is n’t a proper discussion forum website and it gets a bit confusing sometimes. I know that you’re a sensible man!
I don’t know if you’re getting through to me, Chase. I can’t be bothered to read through all of those posts, again but I hope that I’m getting through to you, ALL.
Thanks for the correction and apologies to ‘my mate’, Yardbroom. I’ll sort out all of your thinking, yet!
Cheese, I’ve never heard a christian refer to anybody as an infidel. I think that it’s a disgraceful word and I would ban it. You’d be in for ‘tough-government’, under me, but it would do you all, good!
Yardbroom, re: your latest post; I hope that I have n’t been abusive towards you. Clearly, you’re a gentleman. However, that won’t stop them coming for you and yours when the time comes, if you’re not vigilant and try to make sure it never happens. Believe me, it happened to the Jews. Who could be more erudite than them but looked what happened to them in ‘39-’45.
Latest muslim news in Blighty, today; one of them and his brother killed his daughter and stuffed her body in a suitcase because she fell in love with somebody of whom they did n’t approve. And they’e the kind of people who you admire and try to encourage us to! UMBJ (you must be joking!)
Night, Night, Babadus!
June 12, 2007 at 9:27 am
More on 1967:
I strongly suggest that onlookers take time to explore the site linked below, on the SIx Day War, to help gain a broader perspective.
Let’s look closer:
1] Telling quotes and timeline:
In particular, there is a page of telling timelined quotes, here, that I excerpt a few items from:
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March 8th 1965 “We shall not enter Palestine with its soil covered in sand, we shall enter it with its soil saturated in blood” – President of Egypt, Gamal Abdel Nasser
May 13th 1967 Egypt must expect “an Israeli invasion of Syria immediately after Independence Day, with the aim of overthrowing the Damascus regime” [10] Soviet misinformation delivered to Anwar Sadat in Moscow.
–> NB: This misinformation was that there was an Israeli mobilisation to invade Syria. Both Israel and the UN provided the obvious refutation — the mobilised troops simply were not “there.”
–> On th strength of this, Nasser moved 5 inf divs, 2 armoured div, 2 inf Bde and 4 armorured BDE to Sinai, and initiated a plan to cut off Eilat, Israel’s oil port. [Due to US and USSR pressure, the invadsion was called off within minutes of its intended launch, May 27]
–> Nasser also closed the straights of Tiran, the act of war that triggered the 1956 invasion by Israel.
–> With the other Arabs, Israel was ringed by 500 k troops, 2800 tanks, and 800+ aircraft. Mobilisation long maintained would simply accelerate the starvation of the economy and attack against such odds of 2:1 on men, 3:1 on tanks [and most Israeli tanks were Shermans, fundamentally outdated circa 1944, going up against T 54, 55, 62 etc], and 4:1 on aircraft was evident suicide. No wonder the IDF commander, Rabin, had a nervous breakdown, and no wonder the PM had a breakldown while addressing the nation on radio about the issues.
–> NB: at this time, Israel did not control W bank or Gaza, and there was no campaign to create a Palestinian state out of territory annexed [but not generally recognised] by Jordan, or held by Egypt.
May 15th 1967 “Israel wants to make it clear to the government of Egypt that it has no aggressive intentions whatsoever against any Arab state at all” – Israel’s Prime Minister Levi Eshkol
May 18th 1967 “The Zionist barrack in Palestine is about to collapse and be destroyed. Every one of the hundred million Arabs has been living for the past nineteen years on one hope – to live to see the day Israel is liquidated…There is no life, no peace nor hope for the gangs of Zionism to remain in the occupied land.” . . . . “As of today, there no longer exists an international emergency force to protect Israel….The sole method we shall apply against Israel is a total war which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence”. – Cairo Radio’s Voice of the Arabs broadcast
–> Final solution, anyone?
–> Nasser had asked the UN force in Sinai be removed, and it was, so the buffer that had preserved peace for 10 years was gone.
–> This also allowed him to cut off Tiran, so Israel could not trade with Africa and Asia, which included Iranian oil shipments [Iran was then under the Shah]
May 19: Israel [will] not initiate hostilities “…until or unless (Egyptian forces) close the Straits of Tiran to free navigation by Israel” – Prime Minister Levi Eshkol message to France’s President de Gaulle.
–> Of course that is exactly what was done, in the teeth of International agreements:
May 22nd 1967 “The Israeli flag shall not go through the Gulf of Aqaba. Our sovereignty over the entrance to the Gulf cannot be disputed” – Egypt’s President Nasser
May 23rd 1967 “[The Arab blockade of Israel shipping in the Gulf of Aqaba is] illegal and potentially disastrous to the cause of peace. …The purported closing of the Gulf of Aqaba has brought a new and grave dimension to the crisis. The United States considers the gulf to be an international waterway.”President LB Johnson
–> Of course, the attempt of the intl community to challenge the blockade by sending though a regatta of maritime nations’ ships, collapsed. Within days of the collapse of such diplomatic efforts, Israel acted in self defence.
–> It did so by launching a Hail Mary strike: they literally bet their entire air force on hitting the Egyptians and knocking out the major opposing air force. It worked, and the rest is history.
–> After the war, they offered to return territories captured in what was plainly a defensive war in the face of a ring of steel, strangulation by act of war, and openly declared intent to wipe out the nation, once there was peace.
–> The joint Arab answer: no peace, no recognition, no negotiations.
–> So, forty years, follow up wars and a lot of tendentious claims notwithstanding, we see here a determined people acting in defence of what they should not have ever had to defend.
–> Yes there is a Palestinian Arab refugtee problem [but there was also a Jewish refugee problem resolved largely by resettlement in Israel], and yes we would like to see peace and the 1947 principle on the ground. But we must facet he fact that every time such a settlement has been in the offing, the Palestinians have gone to terrorist campaigns and “popular” uprisings — most recently in 2000. And, unilateral Israeli withdrawal form Gaza has just precipitated more war and terrorism [in response to perceived weakness] not moving to peace.
2] Connecting dots
In particular, the issue for too many has long been, and on evidence, is still not to have their own nation recognised and living alongside their neighbours and cousins, the Jews: they could have had that in the 1920’s, 1937 [on very advantageous terms], in 1947, in 1967, and in 2000, but rejected that and went back to terrorism and/or war.
When that is coupled to the sort of statements made and never retracted, as well as the types of terroristic tactics used in war, I think it is reasonable to infer that there is a hatred there on too many cases for Jews [not just "Zionists"] and that there is a refusal to recognise that there are other legitimate claims to nationhood in the Middle East — Jews and Kurds especially come to mind here.
That is shameful.
3] What about us?
We, as the victims of oppression ourselves, should look on with understanding and demand:
1] that the ME move on from hatred and murder to willingness to recognise that all peoples have a fundamental dignity based on being made in God’s image,
2] that all nations have a right to reasonable expression of their nationalism but not at the expense of that of others, and
3] certainly should not seek to build their own nationhood by resorting to threats of massacre of other peoples and to acts of bombing kids at a pizzeria or gassing civilians in villages or mass enslavement or genocide or mass rape [as in S. Sudan and Darfur] or the like.
Surely, that much is the least we can do!
GEM of TKI
June 12, 2007 at 10:19 am
H’mm:
While I await moderation results, I cannot but observe the consistent resort by commenters who seem to be coming from a secularist progressivist position, to [im]moral equivalency claims that target Evangelical Christians, instead of actually addressing the issue being raised on the merits.
1] Merits vs atmosphere poisoning
Now, if one can actually address a matter on the merits and show that the claims and evidence being used by BFP or others is wrong [as opposed to labelling sources pejoratively and dismissing without consideration] then one has a basis for then commenting thatsomething is wrong on motivation.
But, a look at this and other recent threads will show that just the opposite is happening. It is those who are ducking or dismissing responsible engagement of evidence who are accusing , labelling and dismissing others.
This should stop, as it will only serve to poison the atmosphere.
2] Islamist militancy
Consider instead: there is good evidence if you will only look, that there is such a thing as militant Islamism, and that it has resorted to violence to promote its agenda in the world.
That agenda unfortunately demonstrably ties into a lot of classic Islamic texts and teachings, as well as to the history of Islamic Empire starting in the 620s to 30s in Arabia and by the 730s stretching from India to France. Unfortunately, the more moderate Muslims have not stood forth in strong force to show from Islamic foundational materials, how the Islamists are wrong [we await the strong and definitive voice of Al Ahzar University or the like on this].
In the region, we see denials of properly Islamic foundations for violence but when an el Faisal comes back deported to Jamaica, after 4 years, the region’s Islamic authorities have yet to issue a refutation of the violent teachings in his openly available tapes; which played a key part in his trial and conviction. We have seen several Caribbean Muslims involved in terrotism, and now a case comes up again. Sadly: silence, apart from dismissive denials.
We need to hear from he moderate Muslims, on how they will police their institutions to prevent the trend we are seeing.
3] Evangelicals
And that has little or nothing to do with what Evangelical Christians in the Caribbean believe, teach and do.
Indeed, that is the precise thrust of the ironic headline above.
FYI, some have claimed the name Christian, and have claimed to be doing violence in the name of the Christian faith, especially in past centuries; we can and do show from foundational texts and history that there was no proper foundation for that, and that has been done. Indeed, the last Pope set out on missions of formal apology and penitence,a s a marker of how strongly the churches specific associated with those atrocities have repented of their past sins.
Evangelicals, by sharpest contrast, were last seriously socially active in our part of the world in the C18 – 19, against slavery. Most evangelicals, are disengaged from the public square, to a fault. ( We should be doing more on renewal and reformation to do good in the community.)
Nor is there any Right Wing Monolithic Evangelical voice — just to observe the serious level critiques of the close connexion between come Evangelicals and the Reagan Republicans, e.g. Billy Graham’s public rebuke to Jerry Falwell, and his work behind the Iron Curtain in the 1980’s.
Further to this, a Bible that lays out as the foundation stones of social ethics that rulers should do justice as God’s servants, that neighbour-love does no harm and so fulfills the requirements of core morality embraced in the Decalogue, and that one should look tot he plank in one’s own eye so s/he can see clearly to help one’s brother with sawdust in his eye, cannot be used properly to ground either hate or violence against one’s neighbour.
[Note I here mark the crucial difference between just use of force in defence of the community form enemies foreign and domestic, and unjust -- i.e violent -- use of force by the state as accountable to God for justice and its defence. In the passage that teaches on this, Paul envisions the pagan, Nero, as the agent of justice responsible under God for that commission. Of course, this was in the days when he was still under the Stoic philosopher and statesman, Seneca's and Burrus' tutelage and was acting justly as a result.]
When it comes to Islam, when regional evangelicals did meet together as a body — right there in Barbados in July 2003 — to seriously reflect on it, this is what we had to say, complete with links on why. I daresay one cannot through any fair reading find hate, bigotry or fear-mongering as the core motives in that document.
So, let us move on beyond prejudicial atmosphere-poisoning, and seriously address the matter on the merits. A sober re-examination of the current case in light of President Jaghdeo’s remarks on BBC yesterday morning will help.
GEM of TKI
June 12, 2007 at 10:20 am
Oops, sorry failed to close the address.
June 12, 2007 at 11:40 am
I sorry now that I did n’t adopt the nom de plume of Realist! – that’s french folk!
Went out de road this morning and passed a barber shop. Inside was a muslim young man pretending to be being friendly, towards the Jamaican barber. It’s sad to think, therefore, that a year or two from now he could be persuading him to be a suicide bomber.
Ah, some people are so naive!
June 12, 2007 at 11:45 am
Bimbro, I read in the Daily Mail this morning that an illegal immigrant has knifed to death a British policeman. Not one word about his race or nationality. Political Correct hogwash. Do you have details?
June 12, 2007 at 2:40 pm
Thistle, I think that this is the case to which you’re referring. I don’t think they’ve released his identity yet. Probably got to check that they would n’t upset the muslims first. However, I would n’t be surprised if he was one of them. With Blair letting every Tom, Dick and Harry (or should that be Aziz)into the country, unchecked, it’s no wonder we’re being presented with an increase in maniacs!
I’m just hoping that Arthur will have better sense.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007270180,00.html
June 12, 2007 at 2:51 pm
Bimbro: ARTHUR?? You gotta be joking, mate! He even boasted about employing an illegal Guyanese. I don’t think you can use the name ARTHUR in the same sentence as “better sense”! Actually, when I saw the area in which the incident occurred (Luton), I first thought of Eastern Europeans like Romanians because they’re into all kinds of criminal activities in the U.K. and a lot of them live in that area. However, we’ll wait and see.
June 12, 2007 at 3:01 pm
Thistle, sorry to hear about Arthur, my friend. As you know, I don’t live there but I keep hoping for the best for Bim. I remember though that the Bajans have returned him to power two or three times, so they obviously, have or had, a certain amount of confidence in him. What’s your assessment of him?
Two further examples of life in ‘wonderful’ Britain.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007270096,00.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007270120,00.html
Bim, please don’t copy these examples of ‘Blair’s ‘wonderful’ Britain’!
June 12, 2007 at 4:22 pm
I try hard not to think of those people but ‘every now and again something somes back to me’!
For those of you who, unlike me, ‘don’t have the good fortune of living in ‘wonderful Britain’, here’s one of our news items which you may have missed the other day, maybe even yesterday.
One muslim guy gets married and before long he’s encouraging his WIFE to become a suicide bomber!
I don’t think any more needs to be said. Bim, lock ya doors and batten down ya hatches, if you know what’s good for you – to them, at least!
June 12, 2007 at 6:20 pm
Hi B & T:
Please note, the vast majority of Muslims are decent, law-abiding ordinary people who — from personal experience — make good friends and neighbours.
We should make the proper distinctions between Islam and muslims, and also between Islam and IslamISM, having duly noted hte foundational teachings and examples that give us pause as we see what the Islamists appeal to.
Wrongdoing is a matter of individual action and perhaps oraganisations that promote it, but it is wrong to personally blame a fifth of so of humankind across the board for the actions of maybe 1/10 their number. (We can blame the moderate majority for not properly policing their ranks, but even there we must realise that the median victim of Islamist terrorism is . . . another Muslim!)
So, let us kindly moderate our own statements and thoughts, thence deeds.
GEM of TKI
June 12, 2007 at 8:32 pm
Hmmmmmmm!
June 13, 2007 at 1:07 am
well said kairosfocus, but why the long detail about the 6 day war ? Is it bcos its the 40 th anniv. and you want us to “lest we forget” kind of thingy that the jews do.Thats one thing i admire them for though,jews remind us of everything that someone has done to them,but they will never tell you what they have done to others.
by the way, this post is getting a little drawn out for me now…i think im gonna take a break…..nice talking/discussing though……c ya.
June 13, 2007 at 5:06 am
Kairosfocus, you can tell that junk to the marines – it won’t wash with me and I hope that Barbadians won’t be so naive as to be deceived by you. I have muslim neighbours and could write a book about their degenerate, behaviour. However, I won’t do so now.
Chase, I’d heard about the Romanians years ago, before they even started coming here in numbers. We’ve now been told the name of the murderer but not much else. However, it would n’t surprise me if he was a muslim.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/6746975.stm
Kairosfocus, tries to give us the impression that they’re angels. He must be another Bajan delusionist. Now, they’re threatening to sue the Jamaican authorites over the Bob Wolmer business because the Pakistan team were considered suspects. Obviously, if there’s a suspicious death then everybody in the vicinity will be a suspect, until determined otherwise. I so wish I were the judge in any case which they bring. I’d let them spend millions hiring the best lawyers and then I’d find for the other side making sure that they got no compensation at all, and ended up with a massive legal bill!
I’ve got no time for them, man.
By the way, does anybody know what all that bull’s about which Kairosfocus has written when you click on his name/link? I can’t be bothered to read all that foolishness.
June 13, 2007 at 5:20 am
Kairosfocus, stop talking bollocks!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007270257,00.html
June 13, 2007 at 8:43 am
Hi B:
I think it is fair comment to note that I am anything but delusional about the threat posed by Islamism! [Have a look at the March 30th thread on "Barbados Muslims Won't Kill Anyone "Unjustly" - Bajan Muslim Commenter On Barbados Free Press" and the earlier thread it links to.]
What I am saying is that we need to keep the issue in balance, and recognise that there is a functional common grace deposit of conscience in the vast majority of human beings. (If you are inclined to do so you may read in Rom 2:1 – 15 or so to see this in a foundational Christian teaching.)
That means that even very bad ideologies have a hard time mobilising a critical mass to do truly industrial scale evil. [E.g. the Nazis had to conceal the attempted genocide from the general population, and hunted down the White Rose movement of Catholic students and the like, who published seven broadsheets exposing the first truth about it; estimating 100's of k murdered.]
In th case of Islam, I am very aware of the implications of the Sword and Tribute verses in Surah 9:5 & 29 respectively, and the history of Islamist expansionism starting with Mohammed himself, then also the implications of a great many derivative Sharia teachings if applied with benumbed conscience and blinded understanding. That is what the Islamists of today appeal to, and in so doing it is obvious that the moderates are having a hard time coming back to them within the system of teachings, thus they are in two hearts. [That is why I counsel encouraging reform from within and being cautious without in the interest of preserving the safety of the community.]
But having said that it is equally evident that the violence we face is from a relatively small minority. So, let us not move beyond what is well-warranted concern to what easily becomes bigotry and prejudice.
I trust that helps
GEM of TKI
June 13, 2007 at 9:22 am
Hi Cheesecutter:
I took opportunity to discuss the 6 Day War [being aware that it is the 40th anniversary], because others raised it above, putting it in a quite different and IMHCO quite unwarranted light.
So, I thought it wise to set the record straight: there was a declared intent to annihilate, and there were actions to implement it, including an act of war in the teeth of longstanding international agreements and an invasion attempt that was called off within minutes of the set launch time.
(Israeli intelligence of course was on the ball on that. Given the destabilising nature of modern high-impact heavy firepower weaponry, it is highly unwise to wait for the other guy to get in the first strike; as the 1973 war shows. Under US pressure, the Israelis, who learned of the intended attack fairly late, did not try to pre-empt in 1973 by say hitting attack concentrations before they could launch. Mobilisation was of course very late in starting, and in the Golan 150 tanks were faced with 1500. The Syrians broke through at high cost, but pulled back mysteriously, probably fearing yet another costly tank ambush. To give a measure of the resistance, an Israeli junior officer on a course went on his own to the tank depot, got into a damaged tank with body parts still in it and headed for the front announcing himself as “Force Zviv.” Over 20 – 30 hours, sometimes with up to five other tanks, he fought an astonishing battle, officially being credited with destroying 60 Syrian tanks. But, 150 tanks can’t hold off 1500 even if they knock out hundreds and hundreds of them, and the Syrians broke through. Had they then advanced into the clear, the results would have been incalculable, up to and including regional nuclear war, possibly global. As it was, when the Israelis went over to the offensive, the USSR theatened direct intervention — it had been providing supplies to the Arabs while the fighting was ongoing, both in 1967 and 73. In the latter case, the Americans also intervened to resupply the Israelis. I should note there was an incident in 1969 where Israeli Mirages and Phantoms shot down five Russian-piloted MiGs flying for the Egyptians during the so-called War of Attrition.)
So, we can show that the Israelis in 1967 were not at all setting out on empire-building, but on survival in the face of a credible threat of annihilation. Their Hail Mary strategy of betting their air force worked [never mind the nervous breakdown by Rabin the Defence Chief, and the public breakdown of the PM during a speech while trying to reassure the public . . . ], and so they turned the tables on those who set out to wipe them out. In international law and in basic fairness, those who take territory used as platforms for aggression against them, through a defensive war, have every right to hold on until there is a reasonable settlement, for the obvious reasons. Nor, on the immediate record of the UN’s dismal failure with peace keepers in Sinai — U Thant pulled out as soon as Nasser asked, could the Israelis trust a UN force to keep the peace in the territories so taken. And, all in the context where had the Arabs simply lived by the spirit of the 1919 Weizmann-Feisal agreement on the joint mutually supportive development of the Jewish and Arab nations in the Middle East, that region would now be one of the most advanced, prosperous, peaceful parts of the world. Ah, the saddest words that are ever heard: what might have been . . .]
As for the idea that Jews memorialise the stories of how they have been oppressed by outsiders while concealing their own sins from others, we can start refuting that idea by simply reading the Bible.
In current times, the Israelis have had a very lively and ongoing internal debate on the sins of the current state of Israel. When Israelis have been implicated in serious wrongs, they have often investigated at the highest levels, and have not been remiss to censure and punish. [Look at what just happened to their president, who stands accused of sexual harassment, and the investigation of and findings against Sharon in the aftermath of 1982 (he was blamed for not foreseeing and blocking what the revenge-seeking "Christian" militias might be likely to do after the assassination of one of their leaders -- the President of the country as memory serves), also the recent one on the financial affairs of his party. And much more.]
So, again, let us put this in context.
GEM of TKI
June 13, 2007 at 9:57 am
BTW: I still await a serious addressing of President Jagdeo’s remarks a few days ago on BBC Caribbean report, from those who who were scoffing above on the basic credibility of the plot-claims. (Notice how in this Miami Herald report, his concern is to underscore thatt he evident plotters were not representative of either the Muslim or the wider community in Guyana and the Caribbean.)
June 13, 2007 at 1:05 pm
I read the first few lines of ‘Kairosfocus’s FIRST reply, just now, before I decided I’d had enough, and here’s why!
Hardly, had the ‘ink dried’ on my reply this morning when I went down to discover that my muslim neighbour had hung his carpet out on the railing not only in front of his window but also, in front of mine, therby significantly, obscuring my view out of my own window, inspite of my telling him about this before. Well I went out for e rase but he was n’t in, so I’ve pulled the carpet out of my way. The Paki fu*ker is younger than I am but I don’t care. The next time I see any of them I’m going to give them my last warning, then I’ll take more serious action.
He’s younger than me but, if necessary, we’ll come to blows. I in letting these muslim sh*ts run roughshod over me. If necessary, I’ll go down fighting! And then cretins like Kaiosfocus talk sh*t about ‘taking a balanced view’! I feel like hanging he!
All the muslims around here are sh*ts!