Here’s a fascinating argument refuting the current model of man-made global warming being espoused by former vice-president Al Gore and the like.
The video’s just over an hour long, but trust me, you’ll want to watch the whole thing.
March 20, 2007...4:21 pm
The Great Global Warming Swindle
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March 20, 2007 at 4:54 pm
There is a big debate about how true the Gore theory is
They are a lot of scientists who refute his claims
They are even some pro climate change people from France that have said his theories are hogwash.
I don’t not have any feeling one way or the other, but feel it is a cycle we are going through. I am not saying that mankind is not helping to speed things along, but I feel it is more hype. However only time will tell
They said last year would be as bad as 2005 with hurricanes due to climate change, but that did not come true. El Nino stepped in and controlled the hurricanes. But this year might be different as El Nino has gone from the Pacific and La Nina has started and this helps the development of hurricanes. So we will have to wait and see.I am an amature hurricane tracker and wil try and keep everyone updated through the huricane season, as I have a contact at the Hurricane center and he and I correspond over the season with our theories. I think that looking at all the signs I think that you may be in for a rough season this year. However need to see the surface temperatures in April and May to know fully. It is not easy to predict this early unless you have the proper equipment. Have a site for you that is very helpful to me as they usually have the quickest info it is http://www..nrlmry.navy.mil/sat_products.html. You should store that in your favourites for the season
March 20, 2007 at 4:56 pm
Put an under line between sat and products, as it does not show up on this link very well
March 20, 2007 at 5:22 pm
You have to remember that Al Gore is a politician first and foremost, and means that he can be trusted as much as any of them and only is out to further his own agenda. If he can become popular again by hugging trees, kissing whales, or watching dolphins then he’ll embrace it.
After all, this is the latest endeavour from the man who invented the Internet…
March 20, 2007 at 6:28 pm
@ Red
It is unlikely that Gore’s agenda is an increase in his own popularity. Seems much more likely to be in the interests of the powerful energy lobby.
Increase energy prices and environmental taxes to ration usage, and when consumption falls then increase the fixed rate to maintain cashflow.
Less costs, more profit.
That’s what happened in the UK during the miners’ strike. The population backed the govt. line, accepted blackouts, candles and wore extra clothing and what thanks did they get?
Increased bills at the end of it.
Nice to see BFP realising that some government’s spin really is a conspiracy theory.
Now what about WTC7?
March 20, 2007 at 6:54 pm
to be fair to Al Gore, he recognises all the rapid changes in our interdependent world environment and is genuinely concerned.
There can’t help be an effect on the world’s climate for all the hydrocarbons that we have been increasingly burning for the past 150 years.
When one thinks of the fuel that man has been using, one can’t help but think of the heavy fogs and smogs that use to be throughout the worldwide cities like London, Paris, New York etc when they were burning coal and sawdust just 60 years ago.
The replacement of coal with oil and gas made an incredible difference to our health and air that must be breathed on a daily basis. This heavily polluted air and poor health situation still exists in many so called third world countries especially China and India where highly polluting coal and other such fuels are still being used and where human lif is easily dispensed with. This too affects our air as there are no borders in the sky.
While we can’t fully know at this point the full extent of our continued reliance on fossil fuels, the writing is on the wall.
Can anyone doubt the continued plagues and pestilence that would still be rampant on us if people did not introduce sewers and hygenic measure into large Europeean cities 3-400 years ago?
While it is very true that there are forces we have no control of with respect to climate changes ( ie when Lief Ericsson crossed the ocean there was a longer ice free period to come over ), nevertheless
reducng our dependency to a fossil free energy supply is the right strategy for a whole host of reasons including improvement of health, possible reversal or slowing down of climate change, and less dependence on third world dictatorships
March 20, 2007 at 7:13 pm
reality check
I think this is a media hype to get the prices of oil etc through the roof. Also to sell all the expensive hybrid cars they are coming out with
I feel that we have been a help to climate change but not to the extent they all claim
I agree to disagree with you
March 20, 2007 at 8:25 pm
Dont tell me …………..it’s another Y2K bug too ??
March 20, 2007 at 8:37 pm
Keep your eye on just one ball, that’s all I ask.
That ‘ball’ is the Carbon dioxide level.
That’s all you really have to pay attn. to.
I look fwd. to the flooding of NYC,London and Hamburg.
That would necessarily include the port city of Bridgetown,Barbados too,unfortunately.
Why do I look fwd.l to such disastrous events?
because not until then will selfish self-centred mankind, that biggest dummy walking the planet, sit up and pay attn. the best way..the hard way
We all HOPE that global warming will turn out to be ‘false’ – about as ‘false’ as the (connected)fact that global human population has almost doubled, in my short lifetime alone!! – i.e. in about 60 yrs.
But keep hoping..keep pretending that six and a half thousand million far-too-clever humans are having nooooo effect on nature’s balance.
As long as my head’s in the sand, I can pretend what I like!
Best of Luck,Virginia, you’re gonna need it.
Just be careful your grandchildren don’t turn on you viciously one day,
screaming accusations of Crimes against Planetary Processes.
March 20, 2007 at 8:48 pm
I hope all you doubters out there actually saw the Al Gore movie …
and if you did ..
and still feel its hogwash … then God help us all!!
March 20, 2007 at 9:09 pm
I saw the movie and I also saw the movie “The day after tomorrow”. I consider them both ficton. Just a lot of hype that’s all it is. If you go back in history you will see similar climaatic changes, long before man was around.
This is another type of useless proganda. Gore is doing it for self gratification and that’s all
March 20, 2007 at 9:15 pm
Patrick Porter
when did you last do an analysis about hybrid cars?
They are slightly more expensive but they get significantly many more miles than most cars of similar size and weight. Thats before our government adds their various taxes for doing absolutely next to nothing.
More mileage on the same gallon of gas and less co2 means, if implemented on a global scale, a drop in supply and hopefully a reduction in price.
This is not a conspiracy of the oil cartel but rather a concerted world wide effort to improve our living conditions and to give reality to the next sources of renewable resources. Oil will be needed well into the next century for many other uses other than fouling our air.
disagree if you want but at least people are discussing it in a censor free environment
March 20, 2007 at 9:18 pm
Climate change maybe completely natural, and all the flooding, crop failures that result will be completely natural too. Why people think that dumping millions of tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere will be without consequence escapes me.
March 20, 2007 at 9:19 pm
I building an Ark… who coming? Females only please!
March 20, 2007 at 10:09 pm
Big Guts
Are you planning to keep the human race going all by yourself with all of that big guts? I doubt.
March 20, 2007 at 10:26 pm
You need a heavy hammer to drive a long nail.
March 20, 2007 at 11:14 pm
reality check
If you read my previous posts where I said that mankind may be contributing to climate change but not to the extent claimed by the alarmists.
Hybid cars are great and I have no problem with them. Our Government here in Canada just passed the new budget in which there is a $4000.00 tax for gas guzzlers and a $2000.00 credit for hybrid cars.
There is climate change taking place but a lot of people have swallowed their gospel hook, line and sinker. In a couple of years don’t be suprised if they tell you they were wrong
March 21, 2007 at 10:04 am
I worked on Climate change in UK Met. Office after I got a degree in Meteorology. The climate models we wrote were based on basic phsyics equations. We then re-created the climate over the hot/cold spells over the centuries. I’m not political, I saw this program and there are several errors. Actually, anyone can check online and see a fantastic agreement between ice-cores temperature changes and CO2. Worldwide we just had the warmest winter ever, warming has increased threefold since 2000. I’m happy to produce documentary evidence on any Q’s on this subject. I can’t see any way that we will slow down our pollution and energy output, it’s a shame the average guy will get taxed for this for political gain
March 21, 2007 at 12:05 pm
The whole problem with this THEORY is that it is just a THEORY and until I seee concrete eveidence that it is otherwise I will still believe that we are being had
If this goes into full force places like China and India will be in it up to their necks and people will starve to death. Yes I am sure they are ways to cut our immisions but we have to work at it and not talk about it
Let me say this, if we find anothr source of energy, say ethanol, then the Middle East and oil producing countries are dead, how are we going to solve their problems? Or are we going to have WW3 over oil. It is a mess and I don’t think that we have anyone on this planet with the guts to do what has to be done
March 21, 2007 at 12:31 pm
Until we get another planet… preferably about 8 or so with earth like conditions, that we can pump varying levels of CO2 into are see how they affected we will not have much evidence to prove to the hard core doubters that CO2 is a cause. Science can not prove anything… Science only works by disproving theories.
The question for climate change is not is there absolute evidence that CO2 is causing climate change, because you will never get it. The question is, on the balance of probabilities, is it likely that the increasing CO2 concentration is contributing to climate change and how much, and will reducing CO2 output make a difference to climate change. I don’t know the answer to that put I put my faith in the 90% of disinterested scientist that support the idea that CO2 is affecting global climate change.
March 21, 2007 at 12:54 pm
Don’t be so quick to swallow this film’s line. The UK’s Channel 4, which aired this so-called “documentary,” is now distancing itself from it. Seems that the film’s producers doctored data, misrepresented some of the people it cites, etc. Check out http://www.celsias.com/blog/2007/03/20/channel-4-distances-itself-from-global-warming-documentary/
Regards,
Keith
March 21, 2007 at 6:21 pm
persons should note that some scientific theories actually attribute rising temperatures partially to a climate change cycle which has not been monitored for a sufficiently long period of time and hence is difficult to understand and predict. It should be noted that recording, storing and analysing temperature data has only been done for 100 maybe 120 years which is not very long in terms of the earths changes. secondly there is the theory that just like a greenhouse the large amounts of metals and glass and concrete used in cities helps to raise mean temperature. thus the increasing size of cities and urbanisation ( URBAN SPRAWL) has the effect of raising mean temperatures since most cities/towns have expanded exponentially in the last 80 years. and almost every city/town has a temperature recording station thus inputting the temperature increase caused by urban sprawl into the mean temperature for countries/regions.
March 22, 2007 at 6:49 pm
Talk about fiddling while Rome is burning!
Surely it is fruitless to quibble whether the current warming is mainly cyclical and partly due to CO2 etc. emissions; or mainly due to CO2 etc and partly cyclical?
Either way we have a crisis of catastrophic proportions ahead of us, or perhaps our grandchildren. There can be no alternative to taking it deadly seriously and imposing all solutions which may give us a chance to ride out the worst effects of Global Warming.
Apart from Population Explosion, Global Warming is the greatest threat to the future of humanity on this planet, making even a pandemic like HIV/AIDS pale into insignificance.
March 23, 2007 at 3:25 am
Say people whats all this debate about. Who in thier right minds would not at least try to do something positive for the environment whether or not we are having a global crisis. this complaining will do nothing for any good. Only action can do anything.
I have a suggestion for you all !!
Why not look into real things that can help reduce or recycle all these waste products from mineral oils.
This is the end for me today. i look forward to anything positive for betterment of the world and our own countries instead of this bickering of whether or not this global warming is real or not.
Rich….
As a proud Bajan myself i know i am into supporting this recycle and make the world a cleaner place than we found it when we came.
What would any of you say to looking for solutions for any possible environmental problems around you or your country and see if you can find any possible solutions. There is no such thing as a stupid question. Remember this always. to learn is to question.
finally on this first time i am talking on here.
I want to know what any of you irregardless of what country you may be from or in, think of the possibility of recycling used oils into a burnable fuel and mixed with diesel, thus creating a better quality of diesel for any diesel engine. Does this exist or is it possible ?? I have asked myself that question for a while and i found out it is actually not just possible but there is a company out there who makes such a machine. It is available to the world and it has proven itself many years now in the strictest environmental parts of the world, such as alaska with no problems what so ever til this date.
Now i ask myself why arent they any of these machines in the third world countries. Do we not exist as we are for one not seemingly aware enough as not to practice dumping used oils into the ground to one day eventually majorly if not permanently destroy our once proud water supply here in Barbados. This is one of many realities wrong with our own home and there are solutions out there.
For every problem there IS a solution, its just to know about it as a problem and look for this solution.
the website for any of you interested in learning about that machine for recycling the used oil is http://www.refinegreen.com
May 6, 2007 at 3:38 pm
Before starting, just to say I wholly disagree with Martin Dunkin’s sceptical programme.
Being an environmental humanist, and thus having a strong sceptical tendency, in some ways I see it as good that a renegade journalist is willing to challenge “truths”. Furthermore, there will no doubt be some parties who could conceivably gain from reacting to global warming (I prefer James Lovelock’s descriptive ‘global heating’ – adds an approriate urgency to teh situation). Mr gore is a professional politician, and at the time of writing speculation has continued about whether he will run for the US presidency again. It is also true that in many developed countries it has often proven easier to get funding for research if you can add a climate change element to the study.
I was also disappointed that, in the days immediately following this programme’s broadcast on UK’ Channel 4, much of the riposte to his output centred on character assassination of the journalist. Thankfully now the world has got its act together and taken his statements apart scientifically and systematically: (http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/page.asp?id=6229)
Thats about as far as it goes in his favour.
In reality, Durkin’s programme has done some considerable harm to the fight against global heating. EU Environment Minister Stavros Dimas referred to this struggle as a war, which a great many of us would agree with.
The questioning of Durkin’s ethics as a journalist seem to be justified, and he has a significantly blotched history.
Even if some people make personal capital out of fighting climate change, does that mean we should not join in? For us, the answer must be no.
The discussed documentary has been shown to be deficient beyond much value. Further, it may have caused significant damage because we all know good, decent people who previously had reservations about climate change, or that the climate change is man-made, and now these people are further confused because of this “evidence”.
Scepticism – good.
Muddying the waters and delaying the (anticipated) general acceptance of the dominant scientific worldview – bad.
We are trying to get an environmental humanist membership in Barbados, further to teh small group we now have concentrated on Guyana. Please do consider joining us.
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