Buying Land In Barbados? Welcome To The Crap Shoot!

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Foreign Buyers Should Beware Lack Of Rules, No Oversight And A Chaotic & Corrupt Land Titles System

Your Land Might Not Be Yours

The stories are legion in Barbados…

- The same lands are sold to two or more different buyers, each holding title documents in their name.

- An archaic land titles system that is fertile ground for abuse and theft.

- Lawyers selling estate lands without informing beneficiaries.

- No conflict of interest rules for the legal profession, and an “old boy” club atmosphere in the courts.

- Documents missing at the Land Registry Office that surface only when certain parties need them and then disappear again into the void.

- Foreign landowners who return to Barbados after a few years to find a house built upon “their” land. Then after an expensive legal battle, a court that blames the landowner and will not return the land – instead ordering the interloper to pay a modest amount to “purchase” the land – with the crooked lawyer who arranged everything protected by the court and walking away free and unnamed. (Can’t take down one of “the club” don’t ya know?)

- Government officials use the law to expropriate privately held land for “the public good” – a few years later the land is sold to private interests and a Minister of Government ends up living on expropriated land. Barbados has no conflict of interest or integrity laws to prevent such abuse. It is actually legal for government officials to expropriate private land and then sell it to friends, relatives or even themselves! (Nice trick, eh? See Barbados Government Minister Gline Clarke – House and Mercedes On Expropriated Land)

Good Luck and May God Bless – Suckers!

Thinking of buying land in Barbados? It is not as risky as purchasing land in Nigeria – but neither is it the same as buying land in New York or Leeds.

Land Order

A CIVIL SUIT dealing with the sale of nearly 10 000 square feet of disputed land has ended with a High Court judge criticising attorneys who handle both ends of the deal.

In addition, Justice Christopher Blackman wants overseas owners of local land to pay greater interest in their affairs here.

His comments came as he handed down a judgement in No. 6 Supreme Court to determine who was the
rightful owner of a parcel of land at Clapham Heights, Christ Church.

“In determining the matter,” said Justice Blackman, “it has become apparent that unfortunate consequences may occur when the same attorney-at-law acts for the vendor and the purchaser on a sale or purchase, or the parties to a loan transaction.

Lack of vigilance

“This is particularly so,” he added, “in the context of this case, as the firm of attorneys for the plaintiff at the time of the purchase of the land, the subject of this action, also act in these proceedings.”

The judge said a lack of vigilance by absentee landowners made it difficult for a court to “fashion a remedy providing the minimum equity to do justice” to either party.

“This action also indicates that resolute vigilance must be exercised on the part of absentee land owners to actively protect their interest and so avoid the dismissive appellation and the consequences of being classified ‘a paper title owner’.”

The lot in question was sub-divided into two lots – 2 (19 155 sq. ft) and 2A (9 730 sq. ft) in May 1973.

Maria De Los Angeles Arambarri Nicholls claimed she purchased the entire lot of land at Lot 2, Clapham Heights, by conveyance, which was dated November 3, 1999, from Antoinette Denna Chen, who acquired the land on May 15, 1987.

However, Fitzgerald Ramsay claimed he was the owner of a portion of that land, called Lot 2A (9 730 sq. ft), after he bought it by conveyance dated August 12, 1975. He wanted to sell his portion.

However, Nicholls brought an action, claiming she owned all of the land and received an interim injunction restraining Ramsay from transferring, encumbering or trespassing on the property.

The judge ordered Chen to pay Nicholls $195 000, which was the assessed value of Lot 2A (9 730 sq. ft).

He further ordered Chen to indemnify Nicholls but ordered Nicholls to pay her own costs.

Justice Blackman added: “The issue of rectification of the November 3, 1999 conveyance to [Nicholls] to reflect the correct area of land to which she is entitled must be addressed.”

He, however, granted a six-week stay of execution.

… read the original article at The Nation News (link here)

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50 responses to “Buying Land In Barbados? Welcome To The Crap Shoot!

  1. RRRicky

    Christ Church has to have the most screwed up titles of anywhere. My neighbours have been trying to nail down what they really own for 13 years. One lawyer told them “best let sleeping dogs lie” !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    What kind of a system is it when the best advice a lawyer can give is not to look into the title on your own land? LOL!

  2. ?

    Has anyone ever heard of “Foreclosure Suits”?

    I heard that a man from Christ Church lost all his family land when he was overseas in England. When he got back to Barbados and he started to investigate he soon found out he was up against some bigup judges and lawyers.

  3. observer

    What kind of a system is it when the best advice a lawyer can give is not to look into the title on your own land? LOL!

    By Bajan standards that’s good advice. If he looks too hard, he might find out he doan own nothing at all.

  4. reality check

    actually there are a number of laws that cover these sort of things including the manual governing the Legal profession and elsewhere.

    for example, government can’t expropriate land until they have gone through a negotiating process made offers and failed at that negotiating process ( Leonard St Hill ). The government does it anyway.

    also, a government can’t expropriate for one stated purpose and then use the property for another without going through the process again and paying the higher market value at the time of the second notice. The government ignores this and lets friends profit from the unpaid for expropriated property.

    No point going into the legal manual on the profession, because there is not even the slightest attempt to pay attention to incomptence, unnecessary delay and blatant fraud at every level. This is because there is a whole cast of shady lawyers at the higher levels aided and abetted by an equally shady judiciary who carry out or ignore the same acts time and time again. Honest lawyers are also victimised because the abuse is so wide spread they either end up making excuses for their fellow practitioners or they tell their client ” not to rock the boat”. They have no where to turn and then, as a result, become part of the whole rotten system.

    Maybe some of BFP readers can enlighten us to their experiences and name names and incidents that have gone for years without resolution. After all you have nothing to lose they have already taken away your basic property rights.

  5. Hants

    The judge said a lack of vigilance by absentee landowners made it difficult for a court to “fashion a remedy providing the minimum equity to do justice” to either party.

    “This action also indicates that resolute vigilance must be exercised on the part of absentee land owners to actively protect their interest and so avoid the dismissive appellation and the consequences of being classified ‘a paper title owner’.”

    If I hire a Law firm to do the legal work required, why should I have to be vigilant to make sure that
    1. The Lawyer is not a crook practising among a firm of Crooks.
    2. That the Title deeds to the land I have purchased are in fact legitimate.

    If a lawyer takes your money for a land purchase transaction and hands you the Title Deeds,registration documents etc. what vigilance is now left up to me?

    Is the Lawyer not legally bound to ensure that the Title and all transactions for which they got paid are valid under the laws of Barbados?

    Word to my fellow Bajans, even if you have cash borrow money from a bank when buying property in Barbados. The Bank has a responsibility to head office in Toronto(Royal,Scotia,FCIB/CIBC) and even though you have to pay the Bank’s lawyers you will have some protection.

    Can you imagine a good hardworking Bajan spending 40 years in the cold working 2 or 3 jobs and then putting his life savings in danger trying to buy land so he can come back to Barbados and live out the rest of his life in peace and comfort?

    BFP thanks for putting this up for discussion.
    I hope The head of the Barbados Law society will come on this Blog and enlighten us.

  6. Jupiter

    This is why I’m worried about the role Judges will play if and when a new Gov’t decides to prosecute BLP politicians for theft and corruption.

    Remember Owen Arthir has appointed at least 15 new judges since he took rein,most of whom are very young and will stay on the bench for a long time.

    Will they (these BLP appointed judges),have the integrity and the gumption to prosecute their appointer (Owen and his cronies) without fear or favour?

    Listening today on Down To Brasstacks – one lawyer I think it was Andrew Brewster reminded a caller who felt that lawyers should not adjudicate over their own colleagues – that remember Judges and Magistrates are also lawyers – so they are also presiding over their colleagues.

    There is no justice in the law.Mr Barrow did say to poor people:” if you can help it – stay away from Coleridge street” (where the high courts are).

    Six of one half dozen of the other.

  7. insider

    Surely the lawyer who did not do his/her job is responsible for all the costs and will be disciplined and disbarred in full public view.

    Why didn’t the Nation newspaper name the lawyer?

    Hants, imagine a Bajan coming home to retire after 40 hard years in the cold only to find that the land he thinks he has bought to retire on belongs to someone else.

    He then has to find the money and energy to go to court, possibly for at least 5 years, and discovers that the lawyer who was supposed to handle his transaction all those years ago is now a judge.

  8. Pogo

    What a farce. If the judge had meant what he said he would have made the lawyer pay all the costs to fix the mess so that the clients would not lose any more.

    Instead he spouts off and lets the lawyer who obviously fouled the whole thing up by being unethical get paid double. First payday was when he did the dirty deed of improper land transfer and second when the judge lets the lawyer come to court and represent a client he has fleeced against another of his clients he has also fleeced. Lawyer gets paid twice as a bonus for messing everything up in the first place.

    Whot? Ya wonder if the judge and the lawyer then went out for a celebration in the judge’s brand new BMW and commiserated about how the poor foreigners get what they deserve for trusting Bajan lawyers.

  9. tired

    Too oppressive to comprehend. Too bizarre to accept. So I have decided to find some sand (not in Carlisle Bay) and go bury my head in it and shut my mouth until the air clears.

    Isn’t this what a true Bajan does and isn’t this what got us into this mess in the first place?

  10. Red

    The Nation newspaper almost never names people or businesses.

    As such, the news really reads like a gossip column.

    They allege activities take place at certain businesses or types of people, you would want to avoid visiting that establishment after reading the story, but unless you hear from the man in the street, you won’t have a clue as to the business that they are referring to.

    Regretfully, part of this mentality comes from their paranoia of being sued by the named parties.

    The print media in Barbados is a complete rag due to its lack of integrity and willingness to stand up for what is right.

  11. concerned

    Alert your family and friends overseas and locally about this shocking matter. It is a significant one.

  12. Rumplestilskin

    As I have mentioned on other matters, it is of little relevance to blame the judge in a case where he (or any member of the judiciary) is bound by legislation and case law.

    In my limited layman knowledge, the whole land title system is archaic, with no complete and easy way to check on titles nor ensure that there are no conflicts.

    Put the blame where it belongs, on the lack of proper system of title registration which will eliminate any questions on ownership.

    The judge used a term which I believe (as a layman) must be originated in case law ‘paper title owner’.

    Thus, his decision would have taken into account both the actions and the parties and case law, in the absence of specific legislation.

    Note that his decision seems to be seeking equity by restoring the purchase price to Nicholls.

    I suspect that the original legal search by the purchasing attorneys did not discover the previous sale, because there is no easy reference register of land titles but the archaic manual system.

    As for how the land was sold twice, the seller should have known, and thus what needs to be investigated is the original seller and the attorney who arranged the early sales, to assess if impropriety occurred there.

    Ultimately, that is a separate issue, the judge deals with what is within his powers i.e. what is before him at the time using legislation, case law and equity.

  13. Agreed, “concerned” … very shocking.

  14. Can of Worms!

    Buy land in Barbados?
    With real estate values completely out of whack?
    Buying or renting…Barbados is a case of too many ppl ..chasing too little land!

    Take my advice and take your money down the islands, where you’ll get a lot more bang for your buck!

  15. reality check

    Rumplestilskin—”assess impropriety”?

    this is the whole issue—judges are constantly faced with evidence of fraudulent behaviour before them and choose to say it is not before the court or not in their mandate. This is an easy out.

    Integrity and equity in the system requires that they call for an immediate investigation by the Law Society but they can’t do this because no one has the stature integrity or will to put these lawyers on the hot seat.

    The senior lawyers are all tainted with a poltical system that will waste their time or victimize them.

    Other jurisdictions have no trouble in actively pursuing crooked lawyers immediately and diligently.

  16. softman

    I have listened to the PM’s latest comments on land in Barbados. Whats the point of trying to lock the gate now, the horse has long bolted. Any measures launched now can only be viewed as electioneering and will not help the many Bajans who have been forced to pay inflated land prices. These comments are essentially an admission of failure on the part of the government which is the author of the current land policy.

  17. Mike

    I saw in the paper today where Owing took a swipe at COW yesterday at a branch meeting maybe it has taken all of this hardship to get home the point that we lowly Bajans deserve a better deal when it comes to way we are being treated by these big land developers, trust me the next event waiting to explode is Paradise they are buying up the lands around Paradise at a rate and if you believe that they are doing so to create parks and right aways to the beach for us Barbadians you are totally mad.

  18. Rumplestilskin

    Some developments such as Paradise, Apes Hill etc are needed to bring investment into major projects and long term operating funds.

    However, two things need to be stressed here. The first, that we must make a specific proportion of these or proportion of each development hotel rooms rather than condos.

    Hotels provide more employment and continuous use of local resources than do condos.

    Secondly, the developments must be taking place in an overall land use policy that is clearly defined and explained.

    Thus, I do not have a problem with Thompson’s call for land zoning. It is THE only way to address this.

    I do not agree that zoning segregates rich from poor.

    It actually will place luxury development permission in areas that are already expensive or where Government needs investment.

    It will provide the majority tracts of land for Barbadians.

    It will provide specific land for educational and sports use.

    It will provide land for agricultural use.

    It will provide land for industrial use.

    It will provide land for water purification and storage.

    By proper design it can make a clear system of application for use, make an equitable system of appeal to a Land Committee, where Government needs land for say, road expansion, thus providing relief for citizens who think their land rights are being encroached.

    Such a system will also allow clear design of the road system to enable proper use of resource allocation, for example ‘heavy vehicle roads’ between the Port and industrial areas, roads for limited only use in ‘prime time’ by heavy vehicles, thus reducing traffic at essential times, rush hour.

    Such a system is vital if we are going to make a rational use of our limited land.

    If one argues that there is not enough land to restrict luxury development to a limited area, I disagree.

    Does a person who wants a condo need land? They need floor space, which can be provided by going upwards, six or ten stories.

    Instead of restricing Bajans to future high rise nightmares, put the condos in high rise.

    That’s all they want anyway, condo living with access to their golf, bowling, tennis etc.

    Thats’my take on this issue.

  19. insider

    Rumplestilskin, such a plan is supposed to exist in the form of an Amended Physical Development Plan but has been completely corrupted by individuals in the Government.

  20. softman

    Can someone lease explain how the construction of a private hospital in St. James obviates the need for another public hospital in Barbados?

  21. John

    Westmoreland was an act of desperation to get some foreign exchange …. and make a few people rich.

    In real life, a company with a plan selling its assets will do so and reinvest in some new productive capacity.

    In what is the productive capacity that Barbados has reinvested this sale of assets? Aren’t Bennets, Mr. Babb, Sandy Lane, Apes Hill just a couple more acts of desperation?

    Aren’t they just an admission that Westmoreland, or as it was labeled back then, Wastemoreland, failed to get Barbados out of the hole it was in?

    What is the plan? Where are we going?

    Apart from realising assets for short term cash, it is difficult to discern a plan.

  22. churchgirl

    i find it interesting that lawyers would see land that is not theirs I am now sure that is my predicament! if that is the case they should be made to feel the full extent of the law!

  23. CaribDigita

    Lawd… land in Barbados is a huge—— risk…. If I wasn’t aready tied up in it, then I wouldn’t evem try to step foot in that mess again….

    I agree! the laws about land get rediculous…. Esp. if you own land- to and move abroad for a few years, you have to keep putting up with these “squaters rights” and thing…

    Before my family went back to the US in 2000, we tell dis “come-ya” dat he can’t build any second story veranda because his property will come out too far towards the boundary line. There was only 4 foot clearence. The government say they wanted him to have 2(he took over 3) . He keep playing that he ignore we and we hear that he has since build more. So my mother went back in 2005. Sure enough he even have someone driving huge dump truck across we ground now. So we had to go and dig some posts… mix-concrete and put up a gate because that is no road for him and his buddy to be mashing up the land with.
    And it get worse. A next lady move in behind that man(And since she have no road access) she ‘gon come playing that she gon; snake-pipe all across we land without even asking us anything…. One day she come down the street cussing meh family only to find out the person she renting from is my mother Aunt, so she hadto stop cussing or else go look for somewhere else to live.

    So she say now that we must give her an “easemeant” somehow because she need spot for BWA to hookup her pope. The problem is between this man and his 2 level veranda this women /her pipe and the the dump truck we got trying to run across we ground we have no idea how we can fit two houses on that spot. The only option we have when we get back is give that man 2hours notice and then buldoze his extension which he didn’t even get approved to build. (he didn’t find 2 feet) But he says he has aright since it been there for years..

    The other– thing I like whenever we go down there we see people take it upon theyself to dump a whole lot of nasty ol’ fridge, ol’ stove and thing all about the ground instead of putting it by the road. So we does have to go down and clean up we property everytime. The Government then say that it is the landlord’s fault to deal with Dengae but as we keep going back down there telling the masses. Everytime you come out on this ground and litter it and mosquitos that come and live in it are going to come and infect you all. Not we. We went up to the U.S. leaving this propertly all cleaned up and posted signs saying no dumping but some people ent want to hear. The government can’t say the Dengue is always the property owner because sometimes property owner didn’t leave the place like that.

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  25. Harry J. DePietro, Esq.

    I studied at the Faculty of Law, UWI, Cave Hill the summer of 1987. In those days, I had a computer consulting business in the United States as well studying at The Ohio State University College of Law. Because of my computer consulting experience, I frequently consulted to various government and private entities on Barbados and in other Caribbean countries.

    I met the Honorable Mr. Justice Christopher Blackman G.C.M. (then Queen’s Counsel, Chairman of the Committee on Legal Education, and if memory serves me correctly, I believe, a Senator). I found the Honorable Mr. Justice Blackman to be an articulate legal scholar, highly professional and a decent man. Before anyone attempts to discredit my recollection on an assertion of bias, please be aware that I have not been back to Barbados, and have had no business dealings or provided any consultancy work for profit to anyone or any entity in Barbados, since 1987.

    In 1987, I met with Mr. Justice Blackman’s son. This young man was at that time, trying to computerized records of land titles in Barbados. He had 2 IBM System 36 computers at his office. I vividly recall him telling me that the personnel at the land title office would not allow any photocopies of the land documents, thus forcing him to handwrite the details of every title to be entered into his computers back at his office! Between that dauntingly insurmountable requirement and the historical fact that land title in Barbados has often suffered from the kinds of multiple ownership problems described here, I believed then that the younger Mr. Blackman’s effort, while valiant, would never succeed.

    I also recall submitting a proposal (along with other foreign computer company competitors) to develop a computer database of all the reported legal cases for the entire Caribbean legal system – multiple independent nations, all former British colonies, etc. To my knowledge, that project never came to fruition due to a lack of funding. Maybe the legal database has been developed since then, but from what I read here, the land title records have never been documented or computerized and remain in disarray. Disarray will always lead to error, and worse, always provide the crafty and unscrupulous with opportunity for criminal or unethical misconduct. It’s really too bad, really. I wish Barbados and everyone there or interacting with Barbadian land all the best.

    As to professionalism in the legal profession, I know that many jurisdictions have come to terms with enforcing ethical conduct rules, and would hope the legal profession and the courts everywhere adopt rules “with teeth” to ensure a competent and honest legal system. There are numerous models which can be looked to as a pattern for the adoption of such rules by the legal profession licensing entities of any nation or political subdivision of a nation with the power to admit persons to the practice of law.

    Harry – hari.depietro@gmail.com

    *************************

    Comment by George

    Thanks for your input Mr. DePietro. The “no photocopies” attitude still persists at the Land Registry because if information becomes available to the public they can’t fool around with the records as easily.

    George.

  26. BFP

    Comment by George

    Thanks for your input Mr. DePietro. The “no photocopies” attitude still persists at the Land Registry because if information becomes available to the public they can’t fool around with the records as easily.

    George.

  27. honey bee

    Mr.DePietro said “In 1987, I met with Mr. Justice Blackman’s son. This young man was at that time, trying to computerized records of land titles in Barbados.”

    Is this the same effort? Mr. Clyde Dear of Computer Information Services has computerized records from the Land Registry. Many lawyers and individuals in Barbados use the services of this company to conduct searches.

    Mr. Dear’s intimate knowledge over many years of how the Land Registry operates would be useful here.

  28. Harry J. DePietro, Esq.

    honey bee asked whether or not the computerization of records of land titles by Computer Information Services is or was “the same effort” as that I described as having been attempted by The Honorable Mr. Justice Blackman’s son back in 1987.

    Let me apologize to the readers, the Honorable Mr. Justice Blackman, and the Honorable Mr. Justice Blackman’s son for not remembering the Honorable Mr. Justice Blackman’s son’s name. If anyone knows him, please pass along to him my apology and the sentiments expressed in the following sentence. I have long since forgotten his name, and no longer have any records or notes from this period. I remember him as an energetic young man with vision and hope regarding the promise held by his well conceived project.

    honey bee said, “Many lawyers and individuals in Barbados use the services of this company to conduct searches.” That is a great thing to hear, but I now wonder about the criticism related here that there can be a manipulation of reality depending on what records appear when or are replaced when at the Land Registry office. Either the computerized records are accurate, or they are not. THAT should be examined and maybe it should be that the computerized database, if found to be accurate, should be recognized by the government as conclusive evidence of a proper record, even in the face of the original document’s “disappearance” or “misplacement.” Having a certified, tamper-proof database of the legal records would go a very long way to eliminate the complaints voiced here, and even more so if that database were offered on-line as a public record. Then, even the absentee landowner could become diligent in their preservation of their rights. (However, I must say here that I object to that premise, as I believe it should be unnecessary for a land owner to continuously be on watch so as not to lose his property rights to the benefit of frauds, thieves or other interlopers.)

    I wonder what happened to the law professors I studied under in 1987. If memory serves correctly, they were in favor of the developing personal rights of the time, and this situation at present seems to fly in the face of what I was taught at the Faculty of Law in 1987.

    honey bee also said, “Mr. Dear’s intimate knowledge over many years of how the Land Registry operates would be useful here.” I whole heartedly agree, provided the database is accurate, and the government wishes to stop land abuse corruption and thievery. Otherwise, Mr. Dear’s efforts would be wasted at best, and at worse, might put him “in harm’s way” from the more powerful individuals who gain from the present chaos.

    Harry – hari.depietro@gmail.com

  29. Harry J. DePietro, Esq.

    P.S. — Due to an injury to my pancreas which I suffered in a motorcycle accident in 1992, I rarely drink any alcoholic beverages. Sometimes it is two or three years between a single beer or glass of wine.

    However, I fondly remember the lighest beer I ever drank — Banks beer, and also remember having it mixed 50/50 with lemonade whilst relaxing in long conversation at the home of one of the law professors.

    I have told many people to be certain to partake of at least one Banks when they visit Barbados on holiday or cruise ship stop-over.

    Harry

  30. candm@sonnicwebmail.com

    Dear Sir/Madam:
    We have been in the process of selling a piece of land in St. Lucy, for the past 3-4 years.

    Right now, we are in the process of titleing the land along with others in order to finalize the sale.

    The problem is: we are being presented with an exorbitant amount of money, which implies it has to be paid by us, before we can receive the titles.

    We do not understand why there has to be a notional sale where monies have to be passed from one person to the next, when all we want to hear is that the titles are ready and the sale of the one piece of land is ready to be transferred to the buyer.

    Please, could you explain to us what is meant by a notional sale, and a client’s account? These terms were made without any clarification. c&m

  31. olawale

    Why mention the name Nigeria, when u are talking about barbadoes…. suckers

  32. no name

    Was the lawyer responsible for this deceit held accountable?

    Of course he was, he was subsequently made a QC.

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  34. Concerned

    Thinking of buying land in Barbados ….plz help me ….i wish to buy but now iam so afraid …is it better to rent ….

  35. sandra

    I have land in Barbados that I want to sell. Is this a service that your company does

  36. Javier

    how much do u want to sell for im interested.

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  38. Bajan Gal

    I have land in Barbados and i i live in New York… every year i go home and check on my property…. i also left my father in my home and to take care of any problems that may occur being that the land was passed on to me from him….and i have never had any problems with our land nor has my mum and she has land home as well…

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  40. Dennis Scott

    Can anyone here give me any advice as the state of the property market in Barbados in the moment? Am I right in saying that the number of successful transactions has fallen a lot, and that prices achieved in selling are often well under the asking prices? Does anyone have any objective indicators of this — newspaper articles etc. — which I could use to argue with someone about the illiquidity of the property market in Barbados at the moment?

  41. 22

    It boggles the mind that the legal profession has become so corrupt.This can no doubt be attributed to the fact that there is an over-abundance of lawyers who all want to live in mult-million dollar homes,in gated communities near golf courses and drive BMWs,Lexuses and Mercedes Benzes all within a year or two after leaving Cave Hill.Worse yet, the government is comprised mostly of lawyers who pass laws which are always beneficial to their colleagues and profession.(Most PMs have been lawyers).They make sure their “brethren/sistren”do not starve..They consciously exploit the public.Pity the ordinary bajan ! We are suckers ! We need an “Arab Spring ” ! In the interim…DO NOT ELECT LAWYERS TO REPRESENT YOU IN PARLIAMENT !

  42. jrjrjrjr

    Well said 22

  43. Discouraged.

    I am completely shocked to see so may others suffering the same plight as we have, with regards to real estate interests in Barbados.
    We were given an offer to pursue a Canadian Diplomatic mission in Barbados, we accepted and my wife and kids moved here over a year ago. This mission is to facilitate development within Barbados and the rest of the Caribbean. Since I am West Indian by birth and spent the first 25 years of my life here in the region, I thought it best to reconnect with the Caribbean, get back into my cultural practices, have my kids learn a bit of their heritage and my culture and to see how best i can assist in various sectors in Barbados. I wanted to contribute to the public and well being of the poor. I have met with almost every Government Minister except for a few. The Minister Of Tourism seems impossible to speak with, much less to meet. I called his office over 25 times, left so many messages for him, he never returned our calls.
    Getting back on topic, we saw a piece of land in Christ Church closer to the airport, though the real estate agent representing it. He I must say is one of the most efficient, honest and genuine agents I have met in a while.
    The owner of the land, being from the old school generation, had earned an enormous amount of respect, trust and faith from me as well. I always knew that the older folks had a tremendous amount of principle and ethics so I had no fear of any sort, but unfortunately as they say, there is always a first time.
    The list price of the land was exorbitantly high. We began negotiating the purchase of this land while I am back and forth between Canada and Barbados because of my company in Canada.
    The owner reduced the price a bit but it was still out of the brackets of reality so we told him we will wait a bit while they kept it on the market.
    There were no bites so he lowered it a bit more, closer to the beginning of what seems more realistic. We then put the money aside (not cheap still) and after several conversations on the phone with the agent and owner, I flew in specifically from Canada on short notice to peruse with the purchase. Since the land has two massive holes in which mining was conducted, one 44 ft in diameter and 12 feet deep, the other around 25 ft in diameter, I was advised to dig some test holes. I called the agent and asked permission to do so, it was granted immediately. So I paid a fair sum of money for professional and reputable company to conduct the tests. To my surprise, we found a huge cavity just below the surface spanning the 10 feet diameter opening the operator dug and beyond 14 feet deep, we never touched the bottom. The excavator operator declined to go any further. Please SCROLL DOWN TO SEE MORE.
    I called the agent who was shocked to hear this and he in turn called the owner. One of the owners relative witnessed the exposed cavity, we took many photographs etc.
    This will knock your socks off, the owner became very upset that we made this discovery and moreover, highly annoyed that his agent gave the OK to test the land. He even told us that it will be harder to sell his land after this. Now who in their right senses will purchase a land having two unfilled massive mining holes without conducting tests? He is directly indicating that he had rather sell it without this being discovered.
    Since we had already invested over a year of our time in this, the high cost of a late notice flight and trip to Barbados, the cost to have the land tested, we told him that we will still purchase the land from him less the cost of bulldozing around the cavity to see if it can be addressed.
    He agreed verbally on a price with me and the agent. since it takes over 3 plus months for a land title to be issued, I had to return to Canada. Just about a week after my return, the agent called me indicating that he does not want to sell anymore, I was livid and could not believe what I was hearing. The agent being equally angry told me that he has taken his signs down since he will no longer advertise the land for sale without disclosing the discoveries we made.
    So we got over the anger, disappointment and frustration and upon my current visit to Barbados to see my family, the owner told the agent he will sell the land to us again. OK, so money ready again, an appointment set up and just about an hour before the meeting, the owners daughter called from overseas to say that she is cancelling the meeting because she wants the land. She asked the agent, why we are so keen on purchasing this land, if there are any secrets.
    I spoke to the owner after and he expresses the same “concern.” He asks, “Why are you so keen on getting this land, do you know something I don’t?”
    I said to him “Sir with all do respect, when we dug the test holes, we found no gold or diamonds, no oil or no gas, but what we found, is a huge hole deep enough to reach China, maybe we can ship some Chinese goods into Barbados through there.”
    He had the nerve to tell me, he is not really in need of money. That;s all good, but if that is so, then do not play games with people, waste their time and allow them to incur expenses when you have no real good intentions and words full of wind.
    To top it all, we were paying for 22,000 sq ft of land, but after following Town and Planning building guidelines, we were only getting 14,000 sq feet of which we can use. This has left us with a very, very bad taste for a first experience in seeking some Bajan soil.

    Thanks for reading.

  44. Discouraged.

    Please excuse the typos above, pretty tired while expressing my rant.

  45. Jrjrjrjr

    Who was paying the land tax over the years then

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  47. LOOK

    The BLP throughout the year embarked upon numerous issues, any and everything they could think of to sink the DLP ship. Arthur just months ago reported to Midweek Nation that REDjet might still be flying if government has honored its commitment to the collapsed airlines. Arthur, apparently did not consider FACT that Bajans owe REDjet nothing, absolutely nothing but indeed owe Al Barack millions. Barrack has in his posession a court ordered judgment; REDjet does not. Mia Mottley fusses to the Nation News (July 2012) that government owes more than $100 million to the University of West Indies (UWI) Cave Hill Campus and called for an “urgent” permanent solution to the mounting debt problem. Laugh. Go ahead and laugh. Laugh, laugh, laugh. Government at moment owes Al Barrack $77 million, a mounting debt problem that occurred because Arthur was into folly with Julie Price, had hit upon one of his drinking binges and or was sleeping. Barrack wants to get paid. Barrack has in his possession a court ordered judgment, Bajans must pay. Mottley herself has taken posession of property that belongs to Violet Beckles not her. David Thompson investigated Violet Beckles claim of which involves the BLP administration, and the National Housing Commission (NHC), a government entity. . . . . moving tax numbers from one person with deed to another person with no deed and no proof of sale. . . . massive land fraud.

    Speaking at a political meeting at the corner of Deacons Road, Owen Arthur said “the island had been humiliated by the recent S&P downgrade.”We have been reduced to junk status and someone has to be held responsible for it. He Arthur said also that the S&P downgrade report must be taken seriously, buttttttttt Violet Beckles. That old woman has been humiliated by massive land theft and fraud perpetraded by corrupt lawyers and high authorities in Barbados. This must be taken seriously. This must be taken seriously. Someone has to be held accountable.

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